Something tells me at the end of this rainbow the omnipotent DC administrative statists and professional bureaucrats will have defined any/all documents to be classified material. Yes Alice, as I personally learned during my explorations of the geography, 2023 will be the year voters realize elected politicians simply rent time and space amid a siloed system entirely controlled by the Fourth Branch of Government.
With the nature of the surveillance state unfolding, smart investors are funding companies who create burn bags, incinerators, faraday cages and burner phones and let’s make carbon paper great again.
The latest discoveries come from the offices of former Vice President, and former lead of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Mike Pence.
WASHINGTON DC – A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pence’s Indiana home last week, and he has turned those classified records over to the FBI, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
The FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division have launched a review of the documents and how they ended up in Pence’s house in Indiana.
The classified documents were discovered at Pence’s new home in Carmel, Indiana, by a lawyer for Pence in the wake of the revelations about classified material discovered in President Joe Biden’s private office and residence, the sources said. The discovery comes after Pence has repeatedly said he did not have any classified documents in his possession.
It is not yet clear what the documents are related to or their level of sensitivity or classification. Pence’s team notified congressional leaders and relevant committees of the discovery on Tuesday.
Pence asked his lawyer to conduct the search of his home out of an abundance of caution, and the attorney began going through four boxes stored at Pence’s house last week, finding a small number of documents with classified markings, the sources said. Pence’s lawyer immediately alerted the National Archives, the sources said. In turn, the Archives informed the Justice Department.
In a letter to the National Archives obtained by CNN, Pence’s representative to the Archives Greg Jacob wrote that a “small number of documents bearing classified markings” were inadvertently boxed and transported to the vice president’s home.
“Vice President Pence was unaware of the existence of sensitive or classified documents at his personal residence,” Jacob wrote. “Vice President Pence understands the high importance of protecting sensitive and classified information and stands ready and willing to cooperate fully with the National Archives and any appropriate inquiry.”
The classified material was stored in boxes that first went to Pence’s temporary home in Virginia before they were moved to Indiana, according to the sources. The boxes were not in a secure area, but they were taped up and were not believed to have been opened since they were packed, according to Pence’s attorney. Once the classified documents were discovered, the sources said they were placed inside a safe located in the house. (read more)
[SOURCE]
I doubt most people really comprehend how screwed up the entire system of U.S. government really is.
The three branches of government, Executive, Legislative and Judicial have become a Potemkin village for the American people to visibly reference as their representative form of government. However, behind that facade is the eye of Sauron and the real DC operations which more resemble the proverbial Mordor, than a traditional swamp.
The silo network is a feature of this construct, not a flaw, akin to weird regional buildings placed where mindless drones walk in and push typewriter keys aimlessly all day with no comprehension for what is happening on the other side of the network. It’s the goofiest and yet scariest and most corrupt system imaginable.
Oddly, once this weaponized surveillance system got to a certain size and status, it became self-aware, self-protecting and self-fulfilling.
Not sure – should I be:
shocked
angry (I mean really pi**ed off!)
surprised
annoyed
amused
bored
all of the above
Please advise, never really know these days what the appropriate feeling should be :):)
I am all of the above and awaiting some secret Covid deals worked out by Judas Pence to hurt Trump.
Although, we at the Treehouse have learned a long time ago to read between the lines.
This can get very interesting. 💁🏻♀️
I dunno. If I were a politician and I had classified docs stashed at my house, I would be doing some house cleaning.
Yep, all of a sudden our dear leaders will have convid again and will “work from home” for about a week…fireplaces raging, garbage disposals working overtime.
That was my reaction. Don’t these people have shredders?
Or maybe a nice cozy fire in the fireplace.
Only a matter of time before Sandy Berger waves his hand and admits to having classified documents…
…in his pants…
…for quite a long time now…
Stimulating circumstances.
Is there ANYONE who DOESN’T have classified documents in their home? I’m heading up to check those boxes in my attic…just in case.
They all have them, including the bureaucrats.
Likely, seems there was a time 30 yrs ago when “this guy I knew” had a Yankee White clearance. If memory is correct, the notification of that security clearance was stamped “classified “. Guess that 70 year old could have stored “classified” documents also. Who knew?
Edit:
“Vice President Pence disregards the high importance of protecting sensitive and classified information and stands ready and willing to beg forgiveness from the National Archives and any appropriate criminal punishment.”
He seems like somebody who is always ready to grovel.
Well said
siloed AND SOILED.
soiled, farmers version: earthen pure dirt that grows great crop
soiled, DC politico version: unpure contaminated manure; rotten blight; plowed by evil groundskeepers and silo builders.
God Bless America
I don’t understand why lawyers are suddenly “finding” these documents that Pence and Biden denied having. Are the lawyers going home to home checking for them? Did Pence ask his lawyer to check his boxes? What’s the deal?
agree – i didn’t hear or read about any raids on Pence’s home
Right there in the article:
Pence asked his lawyer to conduct the search of his home out of an abundance of caution,
Thanks!
He actually engaged someone experienced in handling classified docs.
You would think you would know whether or not you had classified documents in your home.
You would think the staffers that packed the boxes would be trained to spot them.
After holier-than-everybody Mike had gotten in a gratuitous slam at PDJT for his docs, which the National Archive knew abour and whose location was known and visited by authorities (suggesting an additional lock) before the ugly raid. Hypocrisy. Mendacity.
How could you not know you have classified docs…it has big bold letters on the top.
Ask the people who packed the boxes.
The portion of the article Sundance posted indicates Dirty Pence requested the search.
The relevant paragraph: “Pence asked his lawyer to conduct the search of his home out of an abundance of caution, and the attorney began going through four boxes stored at Pence’s house last week, finding a small number of documents with classified markings, the sources said. Pence’s lawyer immediately alerted the National Archives, the sources said. In turn, the Archives informed the Justice Department.”
pence is again showing (PROVING) his lock step agenda to warp THE LAW and to subvert with treasonous actions to STEAL POWER FROM THE PEOPLE.
understand this.
Pence is more dangerous than any brutus.
He will be hanged by the neck until dead…
that I am sure.
God Bless America
If you think ANYONE in our government, will ever be hanged, you are either delusional or part of another “Q” hopium psy-op.
that is where your path and mine diverge in spirit and heart.
I guess the documents just sneaked into his house and he had no idea they were there. All of this reminds me of Sgt. Schultz on the old Hogan’s Heroes show. Yes, I’m old.
Thanks! I did read it. It seems I had a brain fog.
I knooow what you mean.
They all took them and know they have them.
If it were me, I’d have a lawyer do the digging through the box so that I could deny any accusations that I fiddled with them in the process.
pence and his corrupt team made CERTAIN to also announce some kind of anti tamper tape was applied.
and in this, Pence has established a chain of custody mitigation.
see how this works?
but the real question, still unanswered and not pursued:
WHO AT THE WHITE HOUSE ALLOWED THE VICE PRESIDENT TO STEAL NATIONAL SECURITY MATERIAL AND TRANSPORT IT…(the tamper tape is moot, the transport and theft of classmat is the issue..and that does not go away, even IF he claims as does the DOJ that he was “cooperative”.
God Bless America
God Bless America
Pence feels the need to support his hero, and, according to him, the rightful winner of the 2020 presidential election.
That is after all what a vice president is supposed to do – support his president – and Mike supports president Biden!
One would think that being VP, he would be able to determine himself whether he had sensitive/classified documents in his boxes!
Pence, like Mueller and the fake pious hypocrites and their ‘Bible study’ classes will turn out to be as evil as any atheistic deep state leftist.
when I first reacted to pence (does not do interviews with women one of one), I knew right there and then, there was something sketchy…something more than just a personal or politcal reason to avoid me too issues.
If I had to make a guess (and this is just intuition), I would have to assume that Pence has probably got a sexual deviation and perversity that would make hunter biden blush.
Sometimes, it’s the image and the subtleties that give away the true character of a person…sometimes, it show a person to be decent, proper and good..but it is also the camouflage of the worst kinds of beings too.
Pence has always worked way too hard to establish this mythical proportion of goodness…like comey, the boyscout…
I have for years warned my own small circle of church friends against such people having direct experience dealing with the most disturbing immoral clowns who have dressed up and pretended to be preachers and pastors…while banding everything that breaths. It’s the most disappointing and distressing thing I have ever had to deal with.
So I have grown to be very very skeptical of those that “comb their hair a certain way”
GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED.
God Bless America
I still applaud Pence for his stance on being alone with a female. I have had the same policy for 35+ years. I just don’t want any “talk” to start at all. It is rare that the situation ever arises. But when it does, it is easy to mitigate.
That being said, I don’t trust Pence at all.
There were rumours that Karen Pence caught Mike fooling around. Hence the no interviews alone with a female or being alone in a room with a female unless others are present. That may also be why Karen Pence is glued to Mike and travels very often with him.
is he an agreeable sacrificial lamb…..see, everyone does it defense of Joe Biden?
Or a coward, preempting being found out the hard way?
It should make his ’24 nomination chances stillborn, if they weren’t already; as in, “forget it, Mike.”
It seems like the adult in the room is Trump.
He is the only one who new his stuff. No secret here.
When.
Where .
And Why.
The other say.
I never new.
Trump is a bad ass.
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I think it’s easy to see how those in charge might have lost track and not noticed. It’s also easy to see how not returning them might be a commonplace, whether out of nefarious motives or simple laxity. What’s interesting about this new wrinkle is that it takes it out of the “let’s do this or that with/to Biden” and widens the lens.
One obvious thing, Trump must be having one of his better days. Also, the establishment looks to be at least in disarray, if not under assault.
Finally, I just keep thinking that China has both the means and the motive to monkey around like this. One thing we tend to overlook is that they want to be top dog but probably not top dog in a global dumpster fire. The only people who want to see the US go down in flames are Klaus, Ubu, Fidel, George, the Rothschilds, and the rest of the globalist schmucks.
I would add to the list of people who want to see the us go down in flames. I would like to add pence, all currently elected federal officials, our intelligence community, and all high ranking political appointees and all high ranking administrative employees.
Other than the aforementioned, our government is 100 percent legit!
“Oddly, once this weaponized surveillance system got to a certain size and status, it became self-aware, self-protecting and self-fulfilling.”
I don’t think this is odd at all. I think this happens everywhere. In fact I would say as a global truism :
“Once any organization gets to a certain size, it becomes self-aware, self-protecting, and self-fulfilling, and it ceases to have any other purpose than to continue its self-existence, and to grow whenever and as fast as it perceives that to be consistent with self-existence”
I find this to be true of politics, corporations, clubs, charities, religious denominations, you name it.
Even if, or most especially if, their raison d’etre or the validity of their original mission has expired.
I think the raison d’etre ALWAYS becomes lost in the insatiable desire for self existence and growth
And in the case of certain spiritual establishments, undeniable historical refutation of a sect’s defining unique and solely perceived interpretation of scripture upon which it is founded sees it’s past positions quietly erased while the institution profitably trundles on.
President Trump is hilarious!
TRUTH President Trump
Mike Pence is an innocent man. He never did anything knowingly dishonest in his life. Leave him alone!!!
https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109745609909293294
“hilarious”? So you’re saying he was being sarcastic?
No doubt.
Im not so sure about that.
Based on what?
Completely.
“Leave Britney Alone” girl memes inbound!
30 pieces of silver Pence is just looking to stay relevant. “Look at me, I have classified docs too!”
Geee … another random box in an unsecured residence. To make matters even more comical, this box was just “passing through”.
Then … gasp …. Some random lawyer makes a discovery.
A better script is needed here folks … this stuff is planted.
Say what you will about VP Pence … this guy was a rules follower deluxe when it came to things that impact his own skin.
Shame he doesn’t have the same concern for his soul.
I’m retired Military, dealt with classified.
Out an abundance of caution, I shall set my home on fire. (Note, not an actual confession.)
#MeTook
You don’t have to lose your house, just go shred them and start your fireplace with them for awhile.
I have to say, I am amused by all the talking-donkey media personalities drooling over “who might have been in the room, who might have seen these?” and such nonsense. Have none of these idiots ever heard of a copy machine, or even the camera on their cell phone? Visitor logs are meaningless! It’s the intent to share (or sell) that is the problem.
Burning one’s home to the ground ensures none are missed and precludes Feebs planting any.
One can never be too careful.
You are correct about the feebs. Didn’t think of that. Of course, they may have planted them in your car, so you’ll also have to burn that down and walk away on your own two feet. And check your shoes, pop the heels off first.
Safety First.
All these things at once …….
Please forget about next weeks WHO Treaty expansion attempt to subvert National Sovereignty with worldwide ” authority ” ( not ) durin a pandemic / health crisis. This is the BIG move by the new world order for control. ———- THIS IS SKYNET !
( We now return you to your daily scheduled distractions )
#StopTheTreaty
That damn thing passes, and target practice will switch to blue bullseyes.
DC corruption is the glue that holds the 4th branch of government together.
Yep … DC Corruption no matter if real or created to pin on a patsy.
MIKE DAVIS States About the 40 minute mark – BASICALLY THE VERY SAME THING
https://rumble.com/v26yceq-episode-2465.html
Now that the Fake News hyenas have this convenient story to chew on
we will hear no more about Joe & Hunter’s Delaware Storage Shack.
Stephen King’s Christine has nothing on the evil karma imbued in that Corvette.
“Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry.”
Life and money must be awfully easy for politicians if they can hire lawyers to do the duties of janitors and maintenance people! It’s an insult to us for they THINK we’ll be believing their BS theories, political games, etc.
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Conversely, just how little do lawyers think of themselves to be USED as janitors and maintenance?
I would think in their dignity they would at least want to be likened as paid whores . . .
What I find funny in all of this is something akin to the ‘original sin’ or the ‘first lie, be get’s the second lie’. How is it that an individual with access and assume at least at some point in time had the authority to have access to Classified Material. Yet, they hire an attorney and he/she goes and finds them and say’s. ‘Yep, you had a few and I wrapped them up and stowed them away and I never, ever even looked at their contents’. How do we know the attorney didn’t look at the docs, we just take his word for it. The demonstration of elitism is simply unbelievable, the unequal treatment is either going to make one laugh hysterically or cry uncontrollably. I so very much long for someone that articulate the stench of the all powerful state as only Ronald Reagan could. We are need of someone that is Churchillian that can speak to the common man about how corrupt our nations leaders have become, from statehouse to DC. Its pathetic.
We do, Trump!
I am not sure what is going on behind the scenes with the deep state. I can only assume that they are using the classified document finds to tarnish certain individuals for some reason. However, I highly doubt we will see the Clintons, Obama, or Pelosi being added to the list of people found with classified documents.
Clinton has cleverly disguised her classified documents by using them to construct her house.
“Marked classified” does not mean that these documents have not been declassified. However, their handling suggests that Pence has no reason to think they are not still classified.
Remember we learned in this ongoing saga that the Derp State can and does “reclassify” stuff in an attempt to entrap honest brokers such as a “former” GOATPOTUS.
Not that I’m suggesting Dirty Pence is an honest broker.
The Rise of Skynet aka the Deep State
Skynet was a piker, we got Derps.
Duh Derp State.
the “cooperation” angle persists, doesn’t it?
does anyone really have to guess why the “cooperation” element is so forcibly announced?
Trump – uncooperative (obstruction, intent)
biden – cooperative…a man of pure heart and intention
pence – cooperative a man also of pure intentions.
see how this works.
and why?
why would the DOJ and it’s media cutouts focus so strongly on the cooperation element?
let me just cut to the chase:
this IS NOT ABOUT TRUMP< BIDEN, OR EVEN PENCE.
this is about the DOJ pulling all stops to mitigate against the very soon to be announced HOUSE investigations.
there are two major actions that DOJ MUST PERFORM IN A COURTROOM AT ONCE TO MITIGATE AGAINST ITS OWN CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS OF CLASMAT MISHANDLING
that classmat mishandling is not a crime…a violation only of “policy”, or rule..BUT NOT OF LAW.that determinations of such violations will NOT have to meet a higher bar to examine the “mind” of the person…that is to say, “was the person cooperative to investigators”?see how this works.
are you understanding what is going on here?
if you want to learn more about how this is getting developed, I recommend following the current Musk Case (“funding secured” tweet, where investors have sued Elon for claiming a private sale of tesla to private saudi investors..)
in this case, the main argument is this:
did you KNOW that your words were false?can that be proved in a court to a jury (that your intentions (mind) was to mislead)?I am not a lawyer, but I do understand how the law and the courts have been abused about various issues.
this is how the DOJ is trying to mitigate criminal violations of classmat crimes. (and many other crimes associatesd with it, up to and including conspiracy and cover up conspiracy).
what they are attempting to do is to DECRIMINALIZE CLASSMAT MISHANDLING.
were you cooperative to the investigation?
nevermind that a vice president does not have ANY DECLASSIFICATION AUTHORITY UNDER THE LAW.
(please continue to pursue this legal aspect…it IS the ONLY thing that the DOJ cannot mitigate against…even IF congress were to attempt to change the law…which is unlikely since this goes to a constitutional matter)…
what the DOJ is doing here is to drop charges on key people for a specific purpose..to falsely allege that cooperation (the mind of intent) that ONLY president Trump resisted, “proving” him guilty as a reasonable doubt angle.
they are using biden and now pence, to establish that cooperation is the key to prosecution.
nevermind that the materials of Biden (and I suspect pence) would show in of themselves, the material itself), establishes evidence of OTHER CRIMES.
God Bless America
Nice narrative parsing there, Brother, I believe you are onto something.
They have been hammering the “refused to cooperate” bit on PDJT when in reality he was negotiating in good faith, exceedingly accommodating, and simply asserted his proper and correct rights.
Obviously Judas Pence is not in Trump’s corner or Pence would have revealed he had classified docs in his home right after the raid at Mar-a-Lago.
bingo..pence main character flaw is that he is stupid.
being a coward follows stupid…
it almost always does.
God Bless America
My wife made a good point as she often does.
Does anyone seriously believe Presidents, vice Presidents and family members pack everything before they leave government?
Could all of these “oops found a box” scenarios be distractions? Clearly the Dems are kicking Joe to the curb, but what is happening behind the curtain?
Also, since VP Pence “discovered” his box, could this be leveling the playing field for VP Biden? Ugh… those names just stick in my mouth 🤮.
That’s why one must spit them out.
Mr. Pence and his hypocrisy, arrogance, and self-righteousness toward President Trump and the American people came home to roost.
Bit dog always hollers.
I wonder if any of the classified documents discovered by Pence attorney have anything to do with his part of 1/6 certification of fraudulent 20/20 election? Or maybe his time heading COVID response team?
Also curious if Pence lawyer had classification credentials?
OK. Let see
Who decides to classify something?
Where are these classified documents kept?
Who is in charge of keeping track of them.?.(making sure
whoever takes them returns them)
Why do these people Suddenly want lawyer to check if they have classified
documents IN THEIR OWN HOME.. Why does the lawyer need to do it why can;t
THEY do it?
Keeping dirty hands clean?
Derp!
This is just another instance of us and them.What they are allowed to do,how the laws do not apply to them at all.
How they do not care and have no fear of being “found” out.
They have been assured whatever the failure on their part to follow the law,they will be covered from any an all punishment.
If you are faithful in the small things,you will be faithful in the large things also……
None of them are faithful…
Aside from a specious plague of just “found” classified documents in various locations, over-classification is another issue I’m reminded of offhand.
The same system behind it all, over-classifies documents in order to control the distribution as well among other reasons. I.e. matters of “National Security” and “sources and methods”.
There’s more going on here I think, but it’s more a matter of getting to the bottom of it.
They are “normalizing” the phenomenon… everyone has classified docs…no worries…
Oh God I hope I am wrong, but Pence may have newly manufactured documents that will harm Trump. Weissmann and McCabe have been quiet lately.
This is starting to look like the Road Runner Carton Skit involving the Coyote using “portable black holes” to capture the Road Runner. The box of holes gets knocked over and holes all fly away … at random times throughout the cartoon holes would re-appear to the demise of the Coyote, who falls a long way through the hole.
There’s a delightful Farscape episode to that effect.
Epic SciFi show.
Lol, let’s face it. There isn’t any such thing as classified documents any more. Every country spies on every other country and they all know each other’s secrets. Only we peons are kept in the dark.
Sounds like Judas’ ‘investigators’ are either planting evidence to be ‘discovered’ or else concealing any existing evidence of swamp activities under cover of “classified” material.
Just shows how things are over-classified to the extent that nothing appears to be administratively controlled for these top-of-the-heap folks. Yet let someone way down the food chain leave a piece of confidential on their desk at night and it’s the end of the world.
Nailed it. I’ve been in this work for decades. Leave a document out or a safe unlocked and your head will roll. No one walks around with classified documents under their arm or leaves them laying around to get packed up in a cardboard box when you leave your job. They really do think we’re stupid.
Now that we know that a couple of VP’s and Old Joe as a Senator have Classified Doc’s they are not legally entitled to stashed in unsecure locations. Are there other Senators/Congress Critters and Bureaucrats that have Classified Doc’s squirreled away in unsecured locations that they are not legally entitled to?
Only Donald Trump had legal authority to have the Doc’s in his possession because as President he could declassify any document he wanted to.
It seems to me that Garland, Wray and others involved with this witch hunt against Trump have shit in their own nest.
Yep. They all have them.
Why is EVERYTHING classified in the first place?
Because we have eyes, hungry hungry eyes.
So they can avoid having to expose their misdeeds to the American taxpayers, who pay them.
if we’re “deplorables”, they are dispicables.
What I do not understand is how can a “classified document” disappear without the agency that holds it would not be aware of it? Every classified document carries an identifying tracking number and when borrowed one must sign it “out”, in other words, whoever removed it must sign for it and when is returned it is signed “in”, Can somebody explain this to me what is to be discovered here?
Someone obviously made an illegal copy of it. It wasn’t under control or it would have been flagged during a regular audit.
Fine… They both broke the law.. Throw Joe and Mike in the slammer
Are not such assertions potentially the intended fuel for a fire meant for Trump?
Hey Biden was VP, Pence was VP. Biden walks, then Pence walks. Crickets.
I bet you will see a lot of politicians discover classify information. There will be a real purge of these documents because now is a great time to do it. They can hide behind Biden’s get out of jail card. If Biden is free from all charges of keeping classified documents including those from his vice presidential and senatorial terms then, heck, show everything and walk free with him while get-out-of-jail card is in effect.
I would do that, too.
#MeTook
I always like the word “discovered.”–
Especially under circumstances such as these.
Dude, I stole some stuff, come search for it and discover it for me?
wink wink
I’m beginning to think the term “silo” (a large stationary cylinder used for storage) is inappropriate. Rather, the term “shell” as in shell game, should be used. The sole purpose is to deceive an unaware viewing public by bureaucratic sleight of hand trickery of our national secrets.
Shells would therefore be a subset of the silo strategy.
So there are some very ignorant people out in the populace who think that classed data are just reports by analysts that are syphoned through and used for policy. No big deal right? But what these fools don’t take into account is that the data (mostly coming in as HUMIT) are on the ground recordings (written, aural, visual, sat downloads, etc) that are then analyzed. PEOPLE HAVE DIED to supply this data. Yet I see simplistic ho-hom responses here. They look at the end product without considering the consequences paid to even get that data. That sickens me beyond belief. I could go into it more but you get my drift.
You are presuming that Washington doesn’t massively over-classify in order to hide everything.
The majority of classified documents are exceedingly mundane.
There may be some spy-vs-spy stuff here, but I am inclined to doubt it.
All of this is by design..a total game…..Pence is happy to help if it keeps Joe from running again in 2024 and keeps Trump out of politics period.
Judas was also a former CongressCritter.
Remember that Pence’s chief-of-staff formerly worked for Peter Strock. Pence may never have seen these “documents”. They may very well have been placed in his possession in case their “discovery” became very convienient.
Trump also had Pence’s chief of staff perp walked out of the WH.