Lots of people are talking about U.S. FBI Director Christopher Wray discussing the agencies “partnership with the private sector” as it relates to modern FBI activity. However, I’m just that random oddball in the crowd who just wants to point out something, well, kind of a big picture issue.
I notice in all of the discussions surrounding the FBI activity, and there are a lot of discussions – including admissions and outlines from the FBI itself, there appears to be an element of the subject matter being overlooked. Here’s a segment from Wray at the World Economic Forum {Direct Rumble Link} as a precursor to what few are noticing. WATCH:
The FBI is a criminal investigative agency. Meaning, a crime is committed, and the FBI mission is to investigate it, solve it, and bring the information to the justice department for pursuit. At least that was the customary role of the FBI as it was/is commonly discussed.
However, please note that in Director Wray’s remarks, every element of the FBI mission is framed around “prevention” of criminal activity, or what we would call pre-crimes.
Stop for a moment and rewatch it if needed, you’ll see what I am talking about.
Um, please excuse my interruption.
While it might seem like an unusual thing to notice, this is not a small issue.
In the era following the 9-11 attacks, there was public outcry around the issue of “how” and “why” did law enforcement, specifically the FBI, not PREVENT the attack. In just about every conversation following the attack every framework was about how to prevent an attack.
The 9-11 commission itself was focused on learning lessons from the attack; thereby the direct and implicit message was to construct systems to prevent another attack from happening. Essentially to move the FBI from a reactive footing in the aftermath of a crime, to a proactive footing to prevent crime.
Now, what I am asking readers to do is to realize when the fundamental mission of an investigative agency changes from investigating the aftermath of criminal activity, to the prevention of criminal activity, we as a society open ourselves up to having severe restrictions on our liberty. After all, just about everything that we now see as an infringement on freedom, is some form of a proactive action by government.
Change the mission from the investigation of crime to the prevention of crime, and the entire apparatus of the mission fundamentally changes.
Criminals are no longer the target when you are preventing crimes. Criminals are only targets in the aftermath of crime. When you are preventing crime, everyone that could commit a crime is the new mission target. Everyone, regardless of their connection to – or association with – criminal activity, is now a potential criminal. Potential criminals must be monitored.
Potential criminals are now the target. You are a potential criminal. As a result of your potential ability, you are a target for pre-crime investigation. Within the process of pre-crime investigation, your archaic views of freedom and liberty are dispatched.
The office of the Director of National Intelligence was created to turn the terrorist radar internally. Every American is now a potential “domestic terrorist.” Thus, you see FBI Director Christopher Wray sitting on a stage and openly admitting the FBI partnerships with the private sector are key to the mission; a mission of pre-crime targeting.
Can you see how this rolls along?…
As soon as the FBI changes from investigating the aftermath of a crime committed to intercepting the potential criminal conduct, things get very opaque, sketchy and weird. When the FBI is investigating crimes, you have rights. When the FBI is preventing crimes, those rights are impediments.
Our entire legal system is structured around criminal accountability. An event takes place, and we hold the criminal accountable. Judges, lawyers, courts, systems, processes, protections, rights of the accused, fourth amendment, fifth amendment, etc. etc. Hundreds of years of rules and regulations within a criminal justice system.
We do not have a “pre-crime” justice system.
The current FBI mission is pre-crime enforcement.
Think about the ramifications; it shouldn’t be hard, because we are living them.
I will sit down now….
Oh Krap! We’ve gotta’ fight this tooth and nail!
“Minority Report” starring Tom Cruise is now more essential viewing than ever. I will rewatch it tonight.
That film immediately came to mind. First the books 1984 and Animal Farm. Now the movie Minority Report. We are living yesterday’s fiction.
Somebody decided that they want all dystopian warnings to come true.
“Anthem” by Ayn Rand.
Oh Good Lord! Can you imagine what constitutes suspicious behavior of pre-crime?
“You turned off MSM news.” “You did not line up for your shots or take your prescribed meds.” “You refused social media programing.” “You spoke with people in real life.”
“You are being investigated for the pre-crime of…well…breathing!”
I will read the novella again, Minority Report by Philip K. Dick; much better than the movie.
Dick is a prescient novelist.
We lost him far too early.
Minority Report will be one the great movies in history, as time passes. The idea that the State, somehow, knows what crimes you intend to commit is a notion front and center in the minds of casual leftists. The Fatal Conceit and all the other biases of mainstream leftism are featured here.
Bureaucrats are not superior beings. Crime shows like CSI are driven by this conceit. The cops on such shows utilize tests that do not exist. The cops don’t wear uniforms on CSI, so they claim to a wisdom based on nebulous science. The State combined with leftism combined with vague science. Yeah, I’m convinced.
Or Network from the 70s. ” I am mad as hell and I am not gonna take it anymore. Go to your window, scream it out! I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE…!
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/im-as-mad-as-hell/comments
Doo doo doo MINORITY REPORT anyone?
My thought exactly.
Then I suggest you join a forum where “your interests” are the focus.
That forum is in your mirror.
You just burned his house down.
As my grandfather use to say: you done good, son.
That said, the unbridled entry of people from non-Western nations enabled this slippery slope. Citizens of all Western nations – and I struggle with that term these days – are now subjects of 1984 like surveillance states because of the presence of non-Westerners. See 9/11. These people don’t think like us in terms of Western freedoms we all took for granted, and so won’t fight to protect them. This only gets worse with no border enforcement at all.
….and since we can only do one thing at a time, I guess……………..oh, wait………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Clean up aisle one.
I think flyovers concerns are legit.
The phrasing pissed off SD.
Yes, its everyone else’s concern too. However, when you are a guest in someone’s house you don’t get to demand that they decorate it to suit your demands.
The illegal aliens pouring over what was the southern border are sure making those demands.
I think Flyover is right in that if we don’t fix the election process (and also stop the illegal immigration which will be turned into another form of cheating), there will be no way to stop what the UNIPARTY has planned for us. And unfortunately I don’t think anything but the 2nd Amendment is going to fix the election process.
Yeah, if we don’t fix X, Y, or Z then we are all scr*%#d. Maybe learning about how the FBI intends on doing their particular type of “sticking it to us” is important. We are being attacked from many, many, many fronts. This particular article addresses one of the many, many, many ways that we have become an enemy of our government. This article was precipitated by Evil Wray shooting his mouth off at WEF.
Maybe tomorrow, Sundance will have an article about a “more important” topic should someone else spout off globalist garbage.
You misunderstand. I’m not complaining about Sundance informing us of this. But when all is said and done, what good will it do us to learn this if we have no way to fix the election system and stop millions more democRAT votes from illegally crossing the border? I hate to say it, but I see nothing we’re doing right now that is going to fix these two problems. So we lose the 2024 election. Most of what’s talked about here in that sense is a distraction from the 800 lb gorilla in the room. The only solution I see is the one our Founders eventually employed … which folks don’t seem to want to discuss.
Sundance:
I worship your site as a place of vigorous conservative debate.
I get nauseous at the posters who dismiss dissent as stupid or insane.
Make your case, or move on.
If it was ‘not of interest’ and you made the point of a very ‘narrow’ interest range, then why did you reply or make a comment that didn’t pertain to the subject at hand?? As for a ‘personal attack’, all I read is a suggestion as to where you may engage others on your ‘no interest’ in FBI Precrime.
Who knows. But the real problem with your comment is that all three of the problems you cited are DIRECTLY related to the subject of this article.
When a government considers the population that is concerned about those three huge issues to be potential criminals and threats to that government, those three issues will likely never be fixed by that government.
What Sundance just proved by means of Wray’s discussion is that the peoples rights are no longer considered worth protecting by the government. So your stated priorities are not just being ignored, they’be probably putting you (and the rest of us who agree with you) on the governments potential criminal list…. to be monitored.
Well said, SD.
I was one paragraph into your post, and I knew exactly where you were going.
The next question is when did this happen? But that’s academic.
It happened when Obammy came into power.
As you have said many times,
the infrastructure was developed earlier, but Obammy weaponized it.
Obama is in his second term … he and Rice are workin feverishly to destroy the country.
He was a plant … I used to think from China but now I wonder … was it actually our own folks that installed that bastard??
His 3rd term.
There was a old joke about New England, that in the summer they sold antiques, and in the winter they made antiques.
That joke has come to mind frequently since 9/11, when I think about the FBI because their business half the time or more is making crimes.
It does seem like a form of FBI job security to make / set up crimes that they then get to investigate.
Meanwhile the state of WA is releasing sexual predators back into communities.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2023/01/19/worst-of-the-worst-sex-predators-are-being-released-from-washington-states-pedophile-island-n1662852
The firefighter with a side hustle of setting fires.
Backdraft.
World Economic F***’em
19 Jan 2023
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-01-19/world-economic-fckem
Among the many wretched, slimy and odious things that are increasingly giving me the creeps as the sands of my life’s hourglass continue to fall is the World Economic Forum: a collective of self-righteous global elites handing down virtues, values, lessons, lectures and political initiatives to us peons out here in the rest of the world.
The “Forum” is increasingly starting to resemble a globalist government, stocked with globally unelected turbo-douchebags, who have been assembling quietly in the background while no one has noticed.
Gone are the days of joking about The Great Reset, owning nothing and liking it and shifting to a diet of mealworms and crickets.
I’ve arrived at a point past that – a point of being sickened by watching people that in no way, shape or form represent me or the people in my life, yammer on about what my future will or won’t look like and what things I stand for are “right” or “wrong”.
It’s right in the WEF’s mission statement:
The World Economic Forum is an independent international organization committed to improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas.
The truth is no matter how much each narcissistic and likely psychotic guest would love to speak on behalf of millions, or even billions of people, they simply don’t.
I don’t expect these people to understand the consequences of painting with a broad brush, nor do I think they care about them. Take the Covid vaccines as an example. Isn’t the idea of jabbing every single person on Earth, regardless of age, health status and lifestyle (lest we forget whether or not they consent to it) wildly reckless?
Of course it is. But it doesn’t matter – because someone wanted it to be done…and, with that, it was put into action.
Elitist Turbo- douchebags
All need to be flushed. Top down, bottom up. One weekend.
The WEF is the Idiocracy. A group of self-styled elites who achieved success in a certain field of endeavor and imagine themselves all-knowing philosopher kings. The Dunning-Kruger effect on parade.
The unfortunate thing is this crowd has the means to act on their collective stupidity and force it onto the rest of the world.
Mind boggling isn’t it?
To see Al Gore crawl out from underneath his multmillion dollar rock.
Davos, just another day where the insane discuss their grand delusions of what the world should look like in their mind.
Sure you say we need visionaries you might argue.
Tell me then when was the ambition of a visionary to openly outline an anti West / anti humanity agenda.
Sorry. I can’t listen to the ass Wray jabber for 3 minutes.
Hoi Polloi…: Absolutely mind-numbing, wasn’t it? I couldn’t take more than 20 seconds or so.
He looks just like my brother in law, thank GOD my BIL doesn’t sound like him. Is bad enough already w/o Wray lookalike speaking woke jibberish.
Gracias for the heads up.
We need to rescind the Patriot Act, and dismantle all surveillance systems put in place after 9-11. We gave up our rights just because some middle eastern terrorists with no capability to seriously threaten our country’s existence attacked us. It was stupid then, and borderline insane now to keep this going.
NAILED IT
I want Wray to go awray…far far awray to prison.
So in other words, they’re profiling.
Profiling based on speech.
Speech they don’t like.
Correct
And the politics is downstream of culture vs the inverse discussion becomes irrelevant.
Degenerates & morons profiling normal people… gee, what could go wrong?!
Strange. None of those mass murderers who were “known” to the FIB prior to their killing sprees were “handled”…yet this proto-fascist seems to be…bragging?
this!! how many times do we hear they were “known to the FBI” yet nothing happened. Too busy looking into MAGA thought crimes…
I was just getting ready to type something similar. Apparently being on their watchlist means they wait and watch you commit the crime, assuming you check all the boxes (oppressed status, etc).
This is exactly what I was thinking. When the mass murderers are known, nothing happens to them and they kill hundreds of people, but when any patriot engages in “wrong think,” that person is thrown in jail?
Well, now, ain’t that a kwink-i-dink?
And gun control is all over the MSM SM airwaves.
They knew who they were. I think he’s using the psychology of “we already do it behind the scenes but we can’t openly admit that yet”. In the same manner of Covid they will proffer that the ends justify the means. Same as leftists do with everything. Another example is making gender dysphoria the norm by drag shows in front of toddlers to grease the skids for pedo’s.
tee up Minority Report…….
Another prescient view by Phillip K. Dick.
Round up the usual suspects.
We eternally need free speech for the usual reasons.
That is why there was/is no attempt at keeping actual terrorists from crossing our border and infiltrating our society.
Open borders allows the gov’t to change the mission statement of investigative agencies to preventative agencies.
Not that any preventative measures are ever undertaken.
The apparatus for stricter control mechanisms are always enhanced after every new attack or threat, so win win for big gov, lose lose for freedom.
However, considering how fast “We The People” bent the knee when ordered by the gov’t, it would be a surprise if the people really want to be free.
An criminal is any one who has the potential to commit a crime but hasn’t yet committed a crime.
Someone who has committed a crime is afforded preferred status and coddled by the justice system.
Hmm? That explains it.
Which brings to mind discussions that i read about in the early post 9/11 days….
the way out there conspiracy theorists, were saying that the FBI would be into the idea of arresting you because your bio chemistry?DNA etc indicates that you “might” commit a crime…and take you off the table before you actually did do a nefarious deed.
If that is not enough to quash free speech, I don’t know what is…..
Kinda funny that in their zeal to prevent crime they neither prevent it or bring the criminals to justice. Honestly they are nothing more than the American KBG. Bunch of thugs with a badge.
They need full-on chaos to implement their final act.
Lawrenty Beria, reincarnated
Next, the FBI will begin opening abortion clinics to stamp out crime at its source.
Please; don’t give them any ideas! We have enough to figure out how to deal with.
Perhaps, they already have?
Well, well, well. Does this truly surprise anyone in this treehouse?
After all, ‘potential criminals,’ are one small step away from thought crimes which are merely one step removed from hate crimes. ‘Guilt by association,’ is a common mantra from media mouthpieces who constantly rant about white supremacy and other popular canards. Reparations are another false premise flying from the flag pole of social justice.
As any rational human being can reason, there is not a single living American who owned/owns a slave. And, there is not a single living American who was a slave who might have a claim of unjust enslavement. This is just collective guilt convicting whites of being in support of slavery or white supremacy had they lived in the days of chattel ownership. My ancestors didn’t even enter this country until well after emancipation.
Any who how hooey, thought crimes and potential crime(s) are merely the harbinger of tyrannical things to come.
The time has come, the time is now. Don’t brag about what you own, what you’re storing, planning or building. The time for communication will come.
Meantime, clam up and keep your secrets to yourselves. We’ll meet soon enough. And then we can join arms in solidarity.
God be with you all!
Used to tell clients “Don’t steal, the Government hates competition.”
Guess my advice now is “don’t think about stealing, pontificating, or making misstatements, the government hates sunlight.”
The legal system was based on criminal accountability, but today the criminals go free and the innocent are incarcerated. 😒
or crimes that shouldn’t be crimes, as in simple marijuana possession,
dramatically altered peoples lives.
No accountability for that either.
Everyone knows our legal system is broken.
Ask a black guy.
I tried to watch, but had to bail out to protect my precious brain cells.
Also, who’s the Eurotrash guy with all the finger hardware? With all that metal, he’s got assault hands.
From included video, name appears to be “Lichfield”. Super EuroTrash bottom scum. Looks like ex-con.
WEF should be declared international terrorist organization.
I’ve noticed this for years as Wray has gone on about super scary white supremacists who dare to talk to each other online.
Clearly the effort has always been precrime.
Antifa/BLM crimes aren’t criminal.
Making jokes on 4chan or TheDonald is CRIME.
The Antifa punks, which took root in this country primarily from the rag-tag remnants of 0bama’s astroturfed OWS mob, have been actively & publicly screaming their criminal intentions and regularly carrying them out for nearly a decade now.
They were ripe & overdue for pro-active infiltration and mass prosecution when DJT took office, but there they are, still parading around untouched as if they are an arm of a certain political party.
… and this scum-bucket Wray has the nerve to make this speech?
… and on foreign soil, no less?
From an article on Gateway Pundit—- “We should be helping countries to develop a national digital infrastructure, which they will need with these new vaccines,” he (Tony Blair) said at DAVOS. (See link below.)
Then there is this panel with FBI Director Wray involved.
There is a comical bit of major league irony and hypocrisy involved here.
For the past 15+ years members of the EU have been using the European and their National Courts to blackmail US Social Media and Big Tech I/T companies for Billions of Dollars in “fines” over right to privacy by users in the EU.
Then we have our US Congress wringing their hands for the past 5 years.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/former-uk-prime-minister-calls-national-digital-infrastructure-track-peoples-vaccination-status-event-pandemic-video/
Every time I see WEF I think “ick”…
They are a mafia of elites … communist crackpots… any one thats involved or anything that has come from this organization should be viewed as suspicious…
The real criminals are these high and mighty Davos bastards. Justice moves slow but I have faith that in the end these creeps will be exposed for what they are … Dan Crenshaw included
Hey, U.S. House of Representatives. You can cut these numbers down if we are worried about the “debt ceiling.”
“For 2023, the FBI is requesting a total of $61.9 million in Construction funding for the Secure Work Environment program and for renovations at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia. The Administration also recognizes the critical need for a new FBI headquarters. The J. Edgar Hoover building can no longer support the long-term mission of the FBI. The Administration has begun a multi-year process of constructing a modern, secure suburban facility from which the FBI can continue its mission to protect the American people. During the next year, the FBI and GSA will work to identify a location to construct a Federally owned, modern, and secure facility for at least 7,500 personnel in the suburbs. Over the next year, the FBI and GSA will finalize an updated program of requirements for a secure suburban campus, including the final number of personnel, to inform a 2024 Budget request for funding for the new facility. GSA will also begin initial steps to acquire, if necessary, the site for the new suburban location. Additionally, FBI and GSA will work to identify a Federally-owned location in the District of Columbia to support a presence of approximately 750–1,000 FBI personnel that would support day-to-day FBI engagement with DOJ headquarters, the White House, and Congress.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/jus_fy2023.pdf
Speaker McCarthy, how about zero funding for this misadventure?
What hubris on the part of the FBI. Hope the House responds to their request by putting into action the newly reinstated Holman Rule (thanks Heroic 20).
Am watching to see if the new Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government has the backbone to use the Holman Rule to defund at least some of the FBI, esp including the counter intelligence office of the FBI.
I thought funding for all this FBI stuff was included in the 1.7 Billion package that they rushed through….maybe I’m wrong….
does anyone know for sure?
I think it was, too. And since the actual appropriations process is no longer a thing, once it’s approved in the omnibus bill, they’re free to spendspendspend.
That is correct.
This was from the 2023 budget. My point for the post was that the NEW House could address this via the appropriations process this year.
The rule changes for single-issue bills should negate any effort by Mitch and his evil twin Schumer to ignore the appropriations bills sent from the House.
As they used to sing in the Disney Carousel of Progress… Now is the time. Now is the best time !
“Lots of people are talking about U.S. FBI Director Christopher Wray discussing the agencies “partnership with the private sector” as it relates to modern FBI activity. “
Textbook Corporatism, aka Fascism.
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”
– Benito Mussolini
All those internet devices…
We are moving toward their end game. Wray might be the poster boy for “the empty suit” but he’s got the toys and plenty of numb nuts to use them against a hostage population. Wake up America.
Video does not play for some odd reason. Even directly on Rumble, nada. hmmm
“The FBI is a criminal
investigativeagency.”‘Pre-crime’ is very selective. 😉
We live in dangerous times.
From a nation where an individual is always considered to be innocent -until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, we are now a nation where people can be charged for having bad thoughts.
Prayers continue that the House subcommittee that gets empaneled fully embraces the nothing-but-100%-sunlight model and ditch any thought of doing things as usual. We (our country) just won’t survive.
Look at what’s already happening, lawmakers, legislators, private communications are not already being monitored, but being arrested for associating with people the FBI/DOJ doesn’t like.
The Beria model of investigating people in search of crimes.
Kinda creepy. So now he wants the Thought Police to come and arrest you and put you in prison. Chis Wray just go away, I think that there is a bridge scandal somewhere that needs your attention.
The partnership of government and media is fascism plain and simple. The wef is literally the modern day nazi party with moder rebranding with klaus schwab as the modern day Hitler. Their goal of killing billions of people dwarfs anything Hitler could dream of. Blm and antifa are the modern day brown shirts. Any American participating in the wef is committing treason and should be punished accordingly.
Why is the head of the FBI even there?
^^^^^ This
Tom: He was there undercover, disguised as an American law enforcement official.
LOL
Govt IC is using technology to sift through us.
To corral us.
To box us in.
History is repeating itself.
Diabolical.
Well, within the ‘Precrime’ FBI, who are the “Pre-Cogs”? Whoever they are, they should be fired cuz they have missed ALOT of murders who were known to ‘Precrime’……..
Until you can read minds you cannot determine if someone is thinking about committing a crime but even then you cannot be sure because people can change their mind – sometimes for good reasons. Only a criminal deed can be used to prove a crime and never a mere thought.
WTF is the head of the FBI doing with the people that are attempting to overthrow the world and turn it into one big sweatshop?
Didn’t have to ask that question here but it’s so in your face. All pretense has vanished.
They’re itching for it!
All law enforcement is constituted to deter crime.
Deterrence of crime rests on three legs, a tripod:
Odds of a criminal being caught.
Odds of consequences.
Severity of consequences .
Weaken any one leg, and the deterrent diminishes.
Weaken all, and it vanishes.
Yes, certain crimes cannot be deterred. Crimes of passion for example. Or crimes carried out by people with no capacity to control themselves.
So, the idea now is to simultaneously create a violent, unending crime wave, while making examples out of anyone who speaks out against the corrupt administration.
Fear and oppression, the two tools.
“The office of the Director of National Intelligence was created to turn the terrorist radar internally. Every American is now a potential “domestic terrorist.””
This isn’t ‘just’ guilty until proven innocent. It is guilty until never proven innocent
Perhaps the fblie should have practiced crime prevention on themselves 1st.
Maybe they shouldn’t have taken jihadis to a cartoon event so they could shoot up the place.
Maybe they shouldn’t have actively allowed a known athlete rapist to continue raping young, female athletes.
Maybe they shouldn’t have created & perpetuated crimes against a presidential candidate & an elected president.
Maybe they shouldn’t have actively created/participated in a faux kidnapping of a state guvnah.
Maybe they shouldn’t have done the same to CONgress on J6.
Fill in your favorite fblie crimes here…
When it comes to preventing crime on American Citizens the FBI should start by looking in the mirror!
A State agent can rape children if so inclined, because he’s an agent of the State.
Ask me a hard one.
America is the pinnacle of human civilization.
Our enemies deny this.
All leftists are enemies of the American miracle.
All flavors, all variations of leftism find America distasteful.
I live in a most manichean world, Soldiers Mom.
Only downhill from here..
In the realm of chutzpah, the head of the FBI is hanging with the people that are attempting to overthrow the world and turn it into one giant sweatshop.
It’s so in your face. All pretense has vanished.
They’re itching for it!
Sit!!! Pilgrim.
Charles II of England – None of this interests Us. Go away peasant, leave Us alone.
Just read long novel London. Flyover can audition for the next Charles II movie, though the end of it is gruesome.
“Can you see how this rolls along?…
Think about the ramifications; it shouldn’t be hard, because we are living them.“
Yes.
See 1933-1945 Germany. We are somewhere between 1933 and 1938.
America, what started as a dream has now become a nightmare.
We will be rounded up, those of us too old will be killed, the younger ones, if unvaxxed, will be use for organs and blood,,,lots for labor till they die
“In the era following the 9-11 attacks, there was public outcry around the issue of “how” and “why” did law enforcement, specifically the FBI, not PREVENT the attack. ”
I believe we now know the true answer to this.