I am bumping this post to the top of the page and updating because, well, I’ll explain.
First, thank you. Sincere and genuine thankfulness for your fellowship. Visitors to this site continue to prove that our nation is created by, and an assembly of, the most decent, honest, generous and kind-hearted people in the world. The responses to the question of ‘why didn’t you take the covid-19 shot?’ are nothing short of remarkable.
In the bigger picture if you want to fill up your faith cup and recognize the scale of commonsense assembly in our nation, take the time to read through the 2,000+ responses.
The feedback you are providing is exceptional and trust me when I say that far more people are reading these responses than you could fathom. Additionally, the responses have reasserted my belief in the scale of our national assembly. There are far more of us, ordinary, hardworking, commonsense, pragmatic and smart people, than the self-described intellectual elites would ever admit.
In addition to the responses below, there have been hundreds of emails answering the question, which suddenly made me realize that no one has really ever asked this question before in a format that provides ordinary people with the ability to respond.
There is also a yearning to talk about this issue, publicly and with deliberation; massively so. And I am hopeful (insert grin here) this small corner of the internet is about to push this conversation into a much larger national forum. Our nation needs a big conversation about this.
If I had to pick a single phrase to encapsulate the myriad of phenomenal responses to the question I would use the phrase, “intellectual discernment”; which again provides buckets of faith that a large number of people are wide awake, albeit part of what I call a potato revolution growing safely underground.
Also, unbeknownst to front page readers I am stunned at the people in/around operation warp-speed, these are people in government directly attached to the issue, who have contacted CTH on the backside, stepped forward and said they also didn’t take the shot because, well, despite their belief in the purpose and principle at the time, things were just not adding up and ultimately seemed sketchy. They couldn’t talk (so they felt), couldn’t even hint at their concern; but when it came to making the personal decision, they waited.
I also owe it to you to answer the question of my own status, which is a big heck no – I did not take the jab.
Why? Because in the preceding years of all my research into the rapidly exposed corruption of our government, there was just no way in hell I was going to trust that same system. A system that literally was working outside the constitution and legal framework of our nation to destroy a sitting U.S. President is going to suddenly care about my health. Nope, it did not align. I also looked at the datapoint of the U.S.S. Comfort delivered to New York City under the grandest of media proclamations about impending medical doom, only to see the ship sit empty and completely unused despite the scale of the narrative that surround its purpose.
Lastly, and more obliquely, the datapoint of one of my heroes Franklin Graham assembling a NY field hospital to serve over 20,000 patients; another massive endeavor that sat empty and without use. However, prior to the hindsight, it was the in-real-time fight from officials in/around the area who tried to block Samaritans Purse from setting up the facility. If the SARS-CoV-2 issue was as great a threat as declared, then why would anyone fight to keep out a field hospital that could provide such relief. It just didn’t make sense.
Those issues, and others, formed the baseline of my inability to reconcile the key issue of ‘trust’ needed to believe in the vaccine. Additionally, I am healthy and not within any of the risk factors. However, I also feel strongly that each health decision is unique to the individual person, and everyone was making the best decisions for them based on the available information at the time; so, I carry no judgement for those who made a different choice.
As noted, I am bumping this to the top of the site so that our conversation can continue. Normally I would start a new thread, but this one is different. I don’t want to break the continuity and I want to provide everyone the ability to see they are not alone.
Love to all,
Sundance
Reader feedback request.
I was quite shocked to review a poll I took on the Twitter last month showing that 85% of the people who follow the CTH Twitter account [TLR2] did not take the COVID-19 jab.
Without any judgement implied or inferred I am genuinely curious, why not?
With the situation clearly in hindsight, and/or given all the pressure that may have been applied to each individual situation, I am genuinely curious what was it that made you choose not to take the COVID-19 vaccination.
If you are comfortable, and please understand that no pressure is intended in any way whatsoever, could you share why you didn’t take the vaccine and how do you feel about that decision in hindsight?
If you did take the vaccination, there is also no judgement in this question. As I said back in 2021 each individual is unique, each situation is unique, and each person has to make the best decision about what is in their individual best interests. So please, don’t let this issue divide our conversation.
I am genuinely curious as to the reason so many people would withstand the public and perhaps peer pressure to follow the ‘vaccination’ advice. Also, how has that decision impacted your life? Did you lose friends and family over your personal health decision? Did those relationships heal over time? Or anything else you might find pertinent to the general question.

Here’s an add-on to my previous comments since the update. I did not want to get the shot because the mRNA sounded too untested, and I didn’t want to be an “early adopter”. I also had read some of the possible side effects early on but not the ones that came to be revealed later in the process. I was under some pressure from my spouse and some of my kids, but that wasn’t the real issue. And I was never afraid of the virus after the first couple weeks, even sooner actually. I did fear it at first because China was involved.
I think it needs to be emphasized that:
#1 Suppression of information – especially medical information – is not only unconstitutional, but it is a crime against humanity. It led millions of people to make a decision they may have otherwise not made, and it was a decision that could change the future of their health and their lives. The people who hid the information must be held accountable.
#2 Threatening people with loss of jobs, loss of social engagement, loss of freedom essentially, in order to force an experimental drug on them, is also a crime against humanity. When the mandate talk started, it was already too late for me. I had taken the shot. Didn’t help that my governor threatened to put people to the “end of the line” for the vax if we didn’t go get it when it was “our turn” either. And having a lottery for college tuition to coerce young people?
It was like a tsunami sweeping a person into the ocean before he/she even realized what was happening. You didn’t have time to think. You were surrounded by something you had never experienced before. And by the time you realized what you should have done, it was too late to swim back to shore.
I am sickened by my foolishness in taking the death shot. Is my clock ticking as I wear a 30 day heart monitor for fluttering heart beats?
I can only praise God my children and grandchildren took my lesson and are vaccine free.
I got through page 6 of this, but now its on page 32.
Sorry i can’t read and upvote all your wonderful testimonies.
Observation: some are saying they saw through the bogus-ness due to common sense, or being a data or medical person, engineer or otherwise not stupid.
But give yourself more credit than that because the vast majority of those people groups fell for the BS.
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❤️❤️❤️❤️ you Sundance❣️
You are both waaaay ahead of me. I’m at page 7🤩
Adding to my prior response- I am pretty much the only Pureblood in my immediate family which includes adult children, grandchildren, spouse, in-law’s.
My adult children would not have anything to do with me for months because I wasn’t jabbed.
Fast forward to 2022 and all of them who got the shots have had CVD more than once.
I believe I had CVD in January 2020 without knowing what it was.
I have no intention of getting the flu shot either.
Your at the top of my list of favorite commenters here.
I believe I had CVD in December 2019. When they told us the symptoms, I knew I’d had it. No shot for me and no more bouts of the virus.
I had no intention of getting one, never had a flu shot, only missed one day of work in 40 years (kidney stone), and after my mother survived polio in ’49 where ‘she’ was quarantined but not the rest of the family, and after the ’57 Asian Flu, the ’68 Hong Kong Flu, and all the hoax flu’s (Swine, Legionaries, and Ebola, etc.) it has been obvious for a long time that its best to error on the side of caution when trusting the CDC with fixes to the common cold and seasonal flu to
When Dr. Fraudxi panned travel bans from China, and Dr. Birx admitted a con was being perpetrated when she said that ‘all deaths will be considered covid deaths regardless’, during an Impeachment, it was obvious the CDC was going to disregard a hundred years of protocols and collude with the deep state leftist to get rid of President Trump by destroying the robust economy. Little did I know just how far they would go to do that.
Indeed, their crippling the robust Trump economy was part of the plan; but altering how our elections are run was their main objective. Convincing legislators to allow anyone to vote-by-mail or even vote-by-internet was their means to unseat a successful, highly popular president. Their dirty little trick worked like a charm and the mass-mailing of ballots in key states allowed them to pull off the 2020 Coup D’Etat.
With respect, I know Legionnaire’s is not a hoax. My grandmother was the first surviver ( she contracted it before the legionnaires did) and was in a coma for a month. Praise God her doctor was given the freedom to do his job. She lived another 40 years afterward.
Sorry, I know it was not a hoax but their response to it was unreasonable. I lived in Dela County at the time, but during that fiasco at the Bellevue-Straford they had no clue and quarantined those inside that led to 27+ deaths and over a hundred hospitalized only later to find out that the virus was being spread through the HVAC system thus exasperating the problem with the lock down.
I took the jab, but only after I’d reached the point that I’d be fired for refusing it. I’d have lost everything I had financially and would have had to restart my life at age ~49, which would have meant too old to restart in my line of work that requires a “new hire” to be under 37 due to the “rigorous” nature of the occupation.
About 6 weeks after the second jab, of course I got COVID and have had it 2 more times, plus numerous other maladies, such as fatigue and shortness of breath. It has definitely taken a toll on my health.
Though being fired and losing my health insurance and pension I risked my life 25 years for would no doubt have affected my health as well.
I will not soon forget the trampling of my rights by Joe Biden, Democrats, Fauci, RINOs and their criminal conspirators.
If I’d still been in my 30’s, or younger, I could have resigned to avoid the jab, and maybe restarted my career doing what I love. But pushing 50, you’re in a precarious spot. It’s take the jab, or lose everything with no chance to rebuild…..and being a WalMart greeter for 12 years.
I just don’t take vaccines, preferring to rely on natural immunity. I’m old enough (74) to have avoided most of the current childhood schedule, but had to take the 1976 Swine Flu shot in the Army and have had to live with tinnitus and allergies ever since. That was my final flu shot and have had the flu only twice since then. My wife had a similar experience before we met. In June 0f 2020 I got the flu which was diagnosed as COVID, but with the early PCR test, who knows? Was miserable for two weeks and recovered, dosing on vitamins C and D. We never bought into the “pandemic” scare but tried to live a normal life, e.g., never buying or using hand sanitizer, avoiding masks.
Simply put the reason my wife and I didn’t take them is that:
I did not take the ‘jab’ or any of the boosters. Why? I also found the whole vaccine process sketchy. Barely any testing was performed. Too little information for any of us to make a logical decision. FDA approved these vaccines way too quickly – ignoring warning signs of respiratory issues, blood clots, etc. I didn’t find any comfort in Fauci or his alleged science.
I’m in good health with no medical conditions – why take a chance on a so-called vaccine that could pose some other type of risk to my health.
“Doctor” Fauci’s credentials
I answered here already but wanted to add –
There are more sudden deaths where I live. But, the obituary in our area is now using the phrase ‘died unexpectedly’ instead of ‘sudden death’. The Newspeak must continue.
Let’s just say, there has been an increase in deaths at variance with projections of the actuarial tables. ='[.]’=
Potato – Pahtahto 🙂
I got the Moderna jab in Sept 21 due to having to travel for work and stay in motel that I didn’t know who had been in room and cleaned before me, plus all the other people at hotel . Took my time deciding to get it. No pressure from anyone. Was 64 at the time. My wife has not had the jab. I’m not sure if I regret getting it or what. Don’t care if anyone has the jab or not.
Retired Magistrate here: We just got news that a friend’s wife, who is fully vaccinated and boosted and was diagnosed with colon cancer and operated on is not doing well at all. Hospital personnel put a port in for the chemo about a week ago and chemo will start in about 10 days. Unfortunately, at this point in time she has lost 30 pounds and can’t keep much food down; this is before chemo has even started. It doesn’t look good for her at all.
Her husband, who is my husband’s barber, is also fully vaccinated and boosted. He relied on the VA who told him that it was in his best interests to take the shot. In May my husband went to get a haircut and his barber told him he wasn’t feeling well at all. Turns out he had a bad case of covid. Of course my husband got it and I got it also. We already had it in January 2020. Wasn’t fun to have it this time either, but we both took the Z Stack and recovered. I know Ivermectin works; recommended it to a friend who had a bad case of covid and nothing was working until she took the Ivermectin. I can’t take it because one of the side effects is anterior uveitis of the eye, which I already have, and almost lost my sight with it. However, we have both had good success with Zicam and Z Stack.
My heart just breaks for all the people that did take the shot and that are now very sick with various cancers and heart disease. Are all of these related to the covid vaccine, I don’t know, but it is very suspicious.
Good friend of mines wife just diagnosed colon cancer – today. I know she took the mRNA treatment. Will we ever know? Probably not, but I’m sure glad i never took it, because i would be blaming every headache and everything else on it for the rest of my life.
Looks like people are finding great relief in discussing their very personal decisions about what happened. As always Sundance you have your finger on the pulse of real America. The DAM is breaking open now and I don’t believe the criminals in our government can stop what’s about to happen. God Bless Us ALL.
Since you all won’t take the JAB , they will now inject all of our food with it. Plant & animal
I don’t think it’s that. I think the pharma guys have found new areas to get the world governments to make them and their political prostitutes big buckeroos.
I think they might have a problem with that one since so many people today have a variety of allergies…am hoping…
So how do the monsters regulate dosage amount in plants and animals that people eat? Eat too much and the person is a gonner. Talk about sudden death… but then that is the plan.
I’ll bet plenty here have thought of that, and other environmental delivery systems like aerosols and fomites, and have or are preparing accordingly. Good reason to transition to the alternative economy with like minded people and develop trust in a different system of relating to other humans and sustaining oneself.
Sobering example of what can happen when evil gains a foothold on good.
And the bright side, there is a big difference between eating a molecule and digesting it, and injecting a nano-particle vehicle that hijacks your cells into producing the programmed payload. Most of the stuff we eat would probably kill if injected. Just saying.
Time to what? Plant a garden!!
I saw Bill Gates was talking about that. Going to have to buy literally everything local. Concerned what I’ll do for pet food if this happens. And I’m going to question what is in the rabies vaccine. Don’t mess with my pets!
Actually UC Riverside was investigating getting plants ordinarily eaten by humans to manufacture in their cells.
I’ve been pretty vocal about being a Pureblood. My stance has gotten me kicked off almost every social media platform i frequent. The lies about the vaccine became evident nearly at the beginning of their manufacture. Forced through FDA with little testing and tests that were completed always had questions about there validity.
Then came the other drugs, Ivermectin, Chloroquine, Vitamins that helped. The suppression and assault on the people that identified the alternatives was a real eye opener. That’s when i loaded up with items from the MASK protocol that was found here. https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/.
Anyone with a heartbeat should have recognized how alternatives were being suppressed by CDC, Governments, States and media. It was a all out assault on anyone that questioned the magic jabs.
I’ve always taken Vitamin D from living in a climate that is cold. Didn’t take much to add Zinc and Vitamin C. Never got sick while taking the vitamins. Did catch what i believe to be some form of Covid. Was more like the flu. Cough, achy, low grade fever, extremely tired, loss of taste and half day of dissyness. Lasted 3 days with MASK protocol. I worked through it.
They can keep their meds.
I only had 1 flu shot in my life and it was at the VA in the early 1990’s. It was the worse case of flu i ever experienced and dragged on for almost 2 weeks. I owed never to take another flu shot and i never did. There was pushback from the medical community but it was not very forceful and not threatening at all.
When covid19 came along the government and the media as well as the bulk of the medical community went nuts and the threats became incssant overnight. Then the lies about overflowing icu’s became apparent when the emergency central park temp hospital and the L.A. hospital ship went completly unused, not even a single patient.
Being a disabled Vietnam veteran and after 30 yeard of ptsd weekly therapy sessions I knew better than to take anything the government says wihout completly vetting everything put out by beauecrats.
The people that orchestrated this hoax on the worls need to be charged tried and made to pay for the deaaths and the maiming that have resulted.
We were continually being told there were too many people on the planet.
Jacques Attali wrote in his book “In the shadow of the cannibal”, that some kind of deadly virus, real or not, should be invented so that the sole solution would be a vaccine. That way, people would run to the slaughter house of their own accord.
Various TV series and movies also covered a killer vaccine being the answer to a deliberately released virus. But the one that confirmed it all was Gates’ 2010 TED speech about getting to net zero in which he said “There are over 7 billion people on this planet. That’s going up to around 9 billion by 2030. If we do a really good job on new vaccines, healthcare, and birth control, we can probably get that down by 10 to 15%.” For me, vaccines are supposed to be about saving lives, NOT taking them! And, at the time I didn’t understand how healthcare could be used to kill people but with healthcare systems being dismantled everywhere, I at last have my answer.
I’m no different than a lot of what other’s have said about 15 days to stop the spread! The full court press on emotions! I wasn’t scared. I was mad. I haven’t trusted the govt for along time. I’ve felt like an outsider for a long time. It’s been at least 15 years since I realized that the same politicians who screwed up 2008 are the same ones who oversee our health agencies. Why would they act any different? I watched thru the pandemic to see if my conclusions were wrong. Sadly, no.
I just want truth. Always have. I’ve studied vaccines, history and the manufacturing of them. This has been a decades long search. What I realized is the research that goes into a new vaccine and then HOW it is mass produced are not necessarily the same thing. So, yeah, I was paying attention. Other things are added to the formula. Heavy metals anyone? Those additives are often not calculated or taken into consideration as we are required to get series of shots. Also, the schedules are one size fits all and can be arbitrary. For instance, at my daughter’s 17 month check up, I was getting her shots and asked to get her MMR now because my son was due within weeks. We got other shots but the doc ran in to Stop the MMR because we would have to give it AGAIN because the CDC would not recognize any MMR before age 18 months. So I had to drag her and the newborn back 1 month later in the winter. 3 weeks makes that much difference?? Nope. The schedule!
So I’ve been skeptical for a long time. Heaven help you if you ask a question. Have you seen the inserts? Have questions about the additives? I realized that I assumed all these additives and timing were studied and approved. I found out to my horror that I was flat wrong.
I was an educated mom who smartly listened to her doctor and did everything they said. I trusted the system. These were good doctors. They would never put us in harms way. The GOVT would NEVER put profits over American’s health. That’s crazy!
Well I did my own research. There was still an outside chance I’ve been wrong and found all the crazy , anti vaccine kooks. I want to know the truth, not join a side.
The pandemic showed me otherwise. I don’t take comfort in that my previous research and my conclusions were correct. My government has been lying, covering up for a long, long, long, time. Notice how easy they lied?Many didn’t break a sweat. What else have I so naively got in line for? Well, it won’t be for these shots. I can’t travel where I’d like, but I’m not gonna be a lab rat. Like I said, this was the system’s chance to show they’re about truth and honesty. Nothing made sense other than liberties being suspended.
Will we ever know the truth?
I am a home school instructor in CA where I have met many families that voluntarily vaccinated their first born with the regular sequence of childhood shots which resulted in injury to their children in various forms of autism or known today as the child being on the spectrum. These parents recognized the harm vaccines can cause and refused to vaccinate any additional children. Childhood vaccines are mandated for children to participate in the Public Education System so many families are turning to homeschooling. Witnessing what vaccines have done to the children in America I was very skeptical of the Covid19 injection, did minimal research on the new “gene therapy” and refused to succumb to the pressure to take the jab. I also knew after contracting what I was told was the original Alpha variant and recovering no problem withing 5 days that there were alternative medicines that the Government was refusing to allow us to use.
I homeschooled my daughters and worked for a charter school in CA.
Autism seems to be proliferating … how do the parents know vaccines caused it? I like Salty Cracker–but he insists that autism isn’t vaccine-related (he used to work with autistic kids…I get the impression the parents didn’t suspect vaccines)
Shortly after my kids were born the major jump in vaccines AND autism arrived simultaneously. Autism didn’t exist when I was growing up, and wasn’t common 30 years ago when my daughters were.
I’m nervous about my grandkids…my daughter and husband are quintessential normies. They do all the normie parent things.
My hubby, 77, and I, 73, did not take the jab. We don’t get flu shots, either.
My daughter, a nurse in MA, had to get it. She had one, by J&J. And she asked us repeatedly to get the shot.
I’d decline, mentioning the sudden disappearance of any “flu” cases, the idiocy of masks, social distancing, one way signs on floors of stores, etc.
It was the biggest con job, and nope, not falling for it.
I did buy ivermectin “just in case”. Nope. Never needed it. (Sigh) what a waste.
My daughter has apologized to us, and is now fearful for herself, and for my granddaughter, 19, who had to get jabbed for college.
Give her the Ivermectin. Some good news via Epoch Times:
Ivermectin May Help Post-COVID and Vaccine-Induced Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
(freerepublic.com):
Better news: The Vigilant Fox on Twitter:
“Miracle Drug? The Vaccine-Injured Are Seeing Profound Results With Ivermectin Why Is #Ivermectin
Helping? – Multiple anti-inflammatory mechanisms – Likely repolarizes some of the immune cells
to a less inflammatory subtype – Tightly binds to the spike protein.”
The Best News:
Then Jesus said to him, “Stand up and go on your way. You were healed because you believed.”–Luke 17: 19
I heard an immunologist on the radio, yesterday, who said if one made it 8 months or so post jab, one is past the danger zone. And that you could breathe easier…. He did NOT go into the idea of the ‘boosters’, though.
Am a nurse of 45 or so years, I opted for JNJ. It was that or not work.
My first reason for not taking it was because any vax I’ve had in the past made me deathly ill. Flu shot – out sick for 2 months. Pneumonia shot – double pneumonia 3 months later followed by 3 more years of pneumonia. That was enough beating over the head for me. NO MORE SHOTS.
My other reason was because I had researched and found these vaxes were new to the market and hadn’t be officially approved. There was just no way I was going to be a guinea pig for our government or the pharmaceutical companies.
I didn’t lose friends or family but I lost a lot of respect for church leaders who fed into and went along with people’s fear, where God’s Word commands us not to fear anyone or anything except God.
I worked throughout the fabricated pandemic and refused the vax. Two and a half years later my son got it. One day I sat next to him and watched TV with him. He said dad are you crazy? I said no, I’m going to catch it from you and let my immune system do the work it was built to do .Mild fever for 8 days and then all of a sudden the virus met it’s match.
Trust me , if I believed this virus was as powerful as the Black plague I wouldn’t have done it•••
I did. So I could participate in society in the summer of 2021. There are specific things I like to do that required the vaccine, so I got it.
Have not gotten any boosters and won’t. Its clear now that natural immunity is better and that the virus has mutated to a bad cold and not much more – if it ever was for most people, especially healthy ones.
Actually got Covid back in September. Not too horrible, but horrible enough to keep me out of work, which is pretty rare. Maybe the 4th or 5th time in 30 years.
Simple.
I didn’t trust ; Fauci, Gates, Big Pharma , Birx or the media.
It was very difficult to go against President Trump.
But the whole Covid thing was suspect, for me, from the beginning.
When this whole charade started I smelled a rat, the floor stickers, plexiglas shields, the masks too planned, where do millions of floor stickers come from in a matter of days. BS on it all and so to the vax.
Meanwhile, in hospice centers, visitors were stealing the isolation masks, gloves and clorox wipes.
Early 2020, when I was still watching Fox, Laura Ingraham had a few real doctors on her show. Started following them and reading as much as I could and realized they were the real doctors and not the liars in government. Friends and family all laughed at me….they’re not laughing now. I pray they’ll all be ok.
I did take a sho. I took the Johnson and Johnson shot. I was in a medical facility and felt pressured to do so. I am so glad I didn’t take anything other than the Johnson and I only took the one shot and no boosters because I did not trust what was being said and instinctively distrusted the pressure being applied by authorities. I also DID NOT SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. I felt that would be making a “target” of myself.
My wife and I and my son did not take the jab due to a lack of trust in the government medical bureaucracy. We also thought from day one that the lockdowns were insane. Also, we never get flu shots.
So was Trump wrong to push it as much as he did? How are you squaring that circle? Genuine question.
Trump was a President, but I don’t take medical advice from Presidents. And now I wonder if I should take medical advice from physicians…
My decision(s), thoughts and opinions impact one person, me, and to a lesser -albeit significant extent- my family.
The President of the United States has to make determinations that are weighted at an exponentially far greater scale than my own. So no, I do not fault President Trump for heeding the advice of the entire U.S. system of healthcare and medical professionals that are in place to guide and execute healthcare policy, specifically as it relates to a pandemic.
It is not fair of me to judge the decisions of a singular President given the entirety of the advice and counsel that We The People have created specifically to give him that advice and counsel. Was there a reference point for him to carry a counter opinion? No.
However, moving forward, we have now established the reference point that all future national leaders will have to contemplate if they are given the same or similar advice under the same or similar set of circumstances.
Not just that. If Trump hadn’t followed along, I have no doubt that our wonderful Government wouldn’t have released something more sinister while calling it a variant of Covid.
No, he, like a tot of Americans, trusted the big medical industry…like a lot, me included, believed there would be honest concern for people.
He had no idea he was being played.
We don’t square circles here.
Trump was and is a Germophobe, he too probably had undeserved trust in the CDC. Assigning CV to Pence, and Fauci was probably the worst mistake he made during his presidency.
I had it in Jan ’20 (by the symptoms, lasted about 2 weeks).
I think Trump was CONvinced by Fraudci and Pence to go along with the Draconian, unprecedented measures.
The timing was suspicious from the start, only becoming an OH MY GOD situation, a week after the impeachment failed. Also, the manner they were calculating the “cases” differed substantially from every previous disease outbreak.
President Trump, to his credit, worked long and hard trying to find answers…
thus the need for Lancet hoax and AZ fish tank cleaner murder…
the stupid “bleach” media narrative
Trump always fought masks.
He REALLY fought lockdowns.
I don’t fault him except by now he should start backing off the vax overtly. Still…he had the entirety of the government fighting him and still he worked hard at mostly good things that they didn’t like… people seem to forget how hard he worked to find FIXES. That’s what he does.
He’s not good at apologizing. It’s possible that he never will re: vax unless it becomes screamingly obvious pretty soon.
I like DeSantis anti-vaccine push now, but that was very recent. If he runs against Trump–that’s an indication that his donors OK’d the sudden opposition to vax as a weapon against Trump.
I researched DeSantis recently bc it’s time for him to say he’s not running. There’s no reason for him to run in 2024 EXCEPT that he’s a tool to use against the only person the deep state fears and hates: Trump. His donors are anti-Trump, not pro-DeSantis…if they’re the latter, it’s because DeSantis isn’t particularly MAGA.
Sorry, went off for a second there. But it’s such an obvious ploy, so cynical, that it just irks me
I believe President Trump had two very bad options. Either keep our world/country shut down for ten years, or accept Operation Warp Speed to open the economy up ASAP.
I believe President Trump made the best decision he possibly could.
We would still be shut down and dying off exponentially worse.
Kudos to the poster who used the word instinct. By the time the medical establishment pushed the concept of ODD into the DSM (at least 20 + years ago) I had already become historically literate enough to use my instinct to predict the future. When Oppositional Defiant Disorder( mistrust of government and other authority) was to be classified as mental illness, the future became crystal clear. We are ruled by sociopathic demons, if we allow it. One is ruled by those who cannot be mentioned
My birthyear is 1943. As a youngster the medical profession was held in “god-like” status. Mostly deserved.
Those days are over. My family are Purebloods, and I take pity on the physician during my next yearly VA check-up. lol
I did get one shot to ensure domestic tranquility.
I don’t think my first post is going to make it because of the image attachment, so lets try i this way.
I saw some previous comments about vaccines overall, and yes, many more people will resist the recommendation of their medical providers because trust no longer exists. Regarding historical vaccinations, I remember reading a study in 2020 that looked at various illness diagnosed over accumulated office visits (this was defined) versus the number of jabs received (no jabs vs some jabs vs max jabs). What was interesting was the correlation between the number of jabs and un-wellness. The journal that published it later retracted, without author agreement, so take that for what it is worth. Here is the link. Scroll down the study about half way to find the red/blue line charts which is a good overview of the results. https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/22/8674/htm
Both my wife and I did not get the shot. We are both 70+ and have in the past chosen not to get the annual flu shot. Our thought 3 years ago and still is that Covid was no more than a bad cold To our dismay, everyone in our immediate family, children and grandchildren, have taken at least the first 2 shots. I told them about studies and gave them information on the harm mRNA ‘vaccines’ could do to them. Now we can only pray for them and everyone who has taken to shots.
As the wuflu began it’s march across the nation, I watched the response to anything President Trump tried to blunt its spread. Regardless of what he did, the left advocated the opposite, often making outlandish claims such as accusing him of being a racist for stopping travel from China or him wanting citizens to inject bleach. It was ridiculous and real scientific discussion meant nothing and was censored. It seemed only activities advantageous to harming the President were allowed.
Though President Trump initiated operation warp speed, I was very leery of any “vaccine” created on such a short time line with such little research about safety and efficacy. Even though I was 66 at the time, I had no medical issues, wasn’t overweight and was in good shape for my age so I decided to wait. Almost all of our friends were chomping at the bit to get the jab as soon as possible. I continued to wait, even when my wife got the J&J. As I am retired, I had time to read as much as I could, and read I did. The more I learned, the less I liked what I heard about the jab. When I read that Pfizer’s control group was eliminated when they were all offered the jab, I knew whatever safety data was released would be unreliable.
Bottom line is I’m unjabbed and have no intention of ever getting the jab. Luckily through in-depth discussions with my wife, she has opted to get no other jabs and thankfully has had no adverse experiences with her one and only.
When it comes to the government, my philosophy is simple and is etched on my bourbon glass: Trust the government…said no Founding Father ever.
The use of the bodies of unborn children was the main reason I refused to take it.
But also, the fact that it was untested, experimental and pushed too hard and too fast, was troubling.
I didn’t take the “jab” because, although not educated beyond a B.S., I did learn enough in college about real science–biology, immunology, genetics–to indicate to me that this product was not fully tested and could have disastrous side effects.
My decision was made when we were all still being told that COVID was basically a death sentence for people of a certain age. I preferred to take my chances with the virus instead of with an unknown and virtually untested gene therapy.
When the powers-that-be began suppressing what used to be ordinary and expected scientific skepticism, when they began to refuse to publish contradictory studies, when they began to mandate the jab, when they began to censor citizens’ free speech, they only reaffirmed my decision.
Within a year following the roll out of the jabs, I watched at least 5 people who had formerly been healthy suddenly become ill with conditions they never had before: heart conditions, aortic dissection, sudden onset of “dementia” (most likely a stroke). All died within weeks or a few months of the jab, which further affirmed the wisdom of my decision.
No unvaccinated person I know who had COVID had a severe case. None was hospitalized. None died. Nor have any of them had COVID more than once. On the other hand, I know several people who took the jab who have had COVID multiple times.
I wonder now if we will ever know the truth about COVID.
I didn’t take the jab for one primary reason: total distrust of the government. The hypocrisy, the lies, the bullshit justifications.
BLM riots were OK; Trump rallies were not. Big shots could have funerals; little people could not. High-brow parties where servants were masked; guests were not. High school trumpet players with holes cut through the masks – RUFKM?
NONE of these contradictions made sense and it was obvious the PTB and their media lapdogs were desperate in their desire for us to obey. Why would that be? The smothering of information counter to the narrative was mind-boggling.
This was NOT how honest brokers convey information or concern.
I and my family did not get the jab. Medical training.
18 of us all together.
Several w/ pharmacology training and medical training, RN, RPh, MD, BS Molecular Biology.
I responded many many pages ago and I too wish I could read every comment but I’m very behind at this point. I’d be interest to know the average of these 2.4K responders. I’d bet most are over 50. Just a guess. I wonder if all the younger folk whore jabbed will be affected by fertility problems or if their youngins will be affected? Criminal the deception that has surrounded this whole situation:(
No we didn’t bow to the elite class telling us serfs to get the shot. My wife was and still is very germaphobic but refused to get the shot as well. We just had a feeling that the world was being led down a road that was wrong direction. A family member in his 60’s got the shot and it caused his blood to get so thick that when he accidentally cut his foot the blood piled up on the floor. He later had a blood vessel in his head burst and pushed his brain to one side killing him. No I don’t trust big brother in the past and even more in the future.
I wasn’t in any of the risk factors and didn’t trust Muh Science. Something stunk rancidily. My 80-year-old, Old School osteopath told me to stay away from it as well. I’m ever grateful to her for backing me up on refusing it. My female relatives are all in the medical field and cut me off like a pariah. My judgment was right, and theirs was wrong. They will never admit it.
I did not participate in any Covid because I watched Event 201 live and followed the Crimson Contagion simulation closely, which included the Central Park field hospital and comfort ships. I work from home and watch all kinds of stuff live streaming. We do not have television. It was obvious from the get go this was an operation.
None of the statistics and models of early 2020 added up, except the real time influenza numbers that got scrubbed by March.
We do not eat out, eat much processed food, eat sugar, let alone take an experimental shot of anything that needs to be kept at -70 but is administered in a parking lot. No thanks.
I never believed in any of this crap. In Feb 2020 the Diamond Princess Cruise ship was quarantined for one month in San Fran Bay. 3,700 people on board living in closed quarters, 800 ‘tested positive’, and 15 died = 0.4% fatality rate. The flu. A harsh one that I caught the first week of March 2020. Actually I was diagnosed with bronchitis and coughed for two straight days. Big deal.
It was a manufactured crisis for those in power to acquire wealth and power like they always tell us they are going to do.
If they can do that there was no way my family was going to take an untested ‘vaccine’. I am very glad we didn’t watching those around us die in their forties and the young mothers who miscarried almost immediately after jab 3.
Love and Peace, brethren.
I did not get the jab. I faced increasing pressure from co-workers and even my employer. I was within a week of having to tell my employer that I would not get the jab and face the consequences. The pressure was tremendous from everywhere to get it. Even my husband got it and a booster! Even though Trump brought it in under Operation Warp Speed, when they gave the drug companies immunity, I knew we were being played.
I kept my mouth shut and did not mention my status, but I started finding out there others like me. In casual conversation with contractors we hired to do work here at the house, I would learn that they did not either. A neighbor and a friend that attended the big “insurrection” with me did not get it either, but we didn’t know that about each other until last year. Several family members also have refused the jab, but I did not know until last year.
One of the contractors I use regularly brought up the subject about what do we do in the event we need a blood transfusion. A very good question. Perhaps another Treeper has a solution.
Just had surgery and was asked about emergency blood transfusion. I said yes since …. what are the alternatives? In the event I did not need any blood but figure you will need to deal with this question if ever taken into a hospital.
If it’s a non-emergency surgery that’s scheduled a few weeks out, you can donate your own blood in advance.
In the meantime, get this tattooed on your chest:
PURE BLOOD ONLY
I had a colonoscopy in December 2022 and they asked me about transfusions and I asked the doctor directly about non-vaccinated blood and wanted my husband to donate. He and I are the same blood type. She said no. We will not agree to that. So, I declined the transfusions. She didn’t offer me the opportunity to donate in advance. I will ask next time.
I have seen other people posting to have them draw your own if needed ahead of time.
If you are going in for a planned procedure, you can donate your own blood to be used for you only (or others if you eventually don’t need it, to others).
I am responding from a slightly different point of view than many of the previous responses. It isn’t lack of trust but how I witnessed the medical community being forced into medical care decisions based off of “protocols” decided by big pharma, $$/Medicare and the elected officials. I am a nurse with 46 years’ experience. I had a position at the time of this pandemic where I could see what was happening to a multitude of patients, the effects of various treatments and protocols changing over time that were “strongly suggested” or required by the government to use by the medical profession. I also was aware of the increased payment for the Covid diagnosis given by Medicare which is a large portion of the financial reimbursement system for most medical institutions. This increased payment was given with the discharge diagnosis of COVID regardless of patient outcome–alive or dead. The patients who had “Covid” early on were very sick. It was like nothing I had seen before. These were patients in the Critical Care Units on ventilators most with co-morbid conditions so that part of the story appears to be true and many of them died regardless of the protocol used. As time progressed, when people were venturing out more, probably after a year of the Covid diagnosis, vaccinated or not, patients were able to withstand the infection, they were sick, but many did not require mechanical ventilation, but those that did often had co-morbid conditions–obesity, hypertension, heart disease, pulmonary compromise/COPD, diabetes, etc. I suspect “herd immunity” improved the response to this virus, and I often wondered if these co-morbid conditions were targeted in the development of the COVID-19 virus in the lab. (yes some conspiracy theory here, but please prove me wrong). I was offered the vaccine but declined. I followed the development of the “vaccine” knowing the amount of research typically required to perfect a “vaccine” and the previous types of true vaccines offered. This was not a vaccine and, like the flu “vaccine” does not prevent the flu, this did not prevent COVID. The push for a vaccine was dangerous, without years of research and studying the effects of this type of vaccine will cause more harm than good. I fear time will and has proven this to be true. The fear and lock down propagated by the government/media etc. was a detriment to our country. Many of my colleagues got the vaccine, some had ill effects, some did not. I chose not to be vaccinated. I followed the science that my own immune system unaltered has the ability to fight this virus. I am not antivax and have received vaccinations in the past that were truly vaccinations. This decision has affected my life since I was forced into early retirement because I refused to be vaccinated. Also of note, my institution was at risk of losing Medicare payment if their employees were not vaccinated, so in essence held hostage to force its employees to be vaccinated. I loved my job and enjoyed what I did. This mandatory vaccination is wrong, based purely on fear, money and the desire to control.
And all of that as time passed – has medicine been ruined irredeemably?
It has indeed. Never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
Government is ruined, never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
Department of Education is ruined, never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
Main stream media is ruined, never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
Hollywood is ruined, never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
Big corporations are ruined, never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
The judicial system, including most of all the Supreme Court is ruined, never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
Professional and some collegiate sports are ruined, never, ever, ever to be trusted again.
One good thing that came out of this Covid war against human kind is that it has opened the eyes of many of us, that we see things for how they truly are and that we have come to realize that our world has been taken over by the wealthy and famous elite who are working against us from all sides and who are exempt from punishment or justice of any kind.
Short of some sort of an organized uprising across continents, I do not anticipate things going ‘back to normal’, as things are way too far gone. I am looking for Jesus Christ to come for His Bride and then pour out His wrath on all mankind. Man makes his plans but God ordains his steps. Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. Today is a good day for salvation for those who haven’t given their lives over to Christ. Praying that the Holy Spirit draws all of you to himself. 🙌🙏
…”our world has been taken over by the wealthy and famous
eliteparasites…”I am afraid that’s exactly what has happened. I haven’t found any reply to SD’s request for why, with which I do not agree. I did not take the shot, nor has ANY of my family, and they won’t. One works in healthcare and got an exemption. Too many excellent people forced out of doing work they loved for an untested, deadly shot. I was not anti-vax until now, and I am very much. Too much evidence that many others are quite deadly, or disabling, including even the flu shots.
I will never take another vaccine, and neither will my husband. In fact we are very leery of taking any kind of injection now. And looking around at all of the medical professionals who caved to Big Pharma threats, and money, what a disaster!! When and if the medical profession EVER recovers, IMO, will not be anytime soon. Lori’s description of her experience also happened almost exactly the same to an APN who loved her job as well, but just did the research, and made them fire her as would not give her an exemption, and I will never not believe that it was not largely because of the MONEY!!
“I followed the science that my own immune system unaltered has the ability to fight this virus.”
Yes, give your body the right fuel and care and it’s pretty darned good at defending itself. Don’t…and live to regret it.
You were fortunate to held be working for a medical organization that gave you the choice of taking or not taking the vax and keeping your job.
I have two daughters in law and a good friend who all chose to not take the vax and were suspended without pay from work for six months.
They all strong against the forced vax and the terrible time of (what ever you want to call this) has passed finally and they are all back to work.
But during the six months they were out of work they did not know what was going to happen to their jobs and their career’s a RN’s.
They were treated very badly as were a lot more in many occupations who were fired because they refused to put this poison in their bodies.
This was a horrible, stressful and difficult time in our country and will not be forgotten or smoothed over by slick talking reporters or some elected officials and educators who “just want to move on”.
We need to remember that many were NOT given the choice to take or not take the vax and had their lives turned upside down over this mandated poison.
Thank you for your detailed experience. I have a nurse friend. Her experience is similar. This story needs to be told and heard more. Thank you for all the care you have provided.
I was under a lot of pressure from my liberal husband to do the vaccine, but I did a lot of research first. I have a rare allergy to polyethylene glycol that has plagued me for years, and I found out that the mRNA vaxes had that … it is the lipid that gets the mRNA into the body. So I told my husband no way in hell. Then, the J&J vax was released, and that didn’t have PEG or any other suspect ingredients in it, but I was still terrified to get one. My husband pressured me, standing over me while I was looking online and said he wouldn’t let up until the needle was in my arm. I was beyond pissed, and finally gave in because I couldn’t find a divorce attorney fast enough. Finally I got the J&J, and experienced a lot of dizziness for a few days, but my husband was happy because now he could go play Bridge with the neighbors now, who were insisting that everyone in their family be vaxed. He wasn’t concerned about me, he was concerned about his damn Bridge game. This whole episode caused a major rift in our marriage that has continued. We are still together, but barely. Of course, like a good little liberal, he got the Pfizer and all of the boosters, which sent him to the ER twice with vertigo, and also he has heart issues for which he has to take medication…all of it tied to the timeline of the boosters, but he refuses to acknowledge any connection. I’ve had no J&J boosters because there aren’t any, and no flu shots ever again. By the way, we are both in our early 70s and relatively healthy and active…or at least he was before the vaxes. Thanks for letting me vent. It’s not just the vax that’s causing problems; it’s also the emotional issues among family members that make the whole situation so much worse. Bullying people into taking a vax is not accepatable!
Hate to say it but sounds like you need a new husband
Hopefully nature will take its course, if you know what I mean.
You don’t have to answer..
Did you have any side effects from the J&J vaccine? I am asking because my husband got it and has had vertigo, dizziness, tinnitus and severe anxiety after he got it.
Why he got the shot I will never understand. His work didn’t require it and he was considered a essential worker. He just came home one day and told me he got it.
She wrote “experienced a lot of dizziness for a few days”
RUN! Away from that a-hole!!
At this point, I’m thinking that I will just let nature (and his boosters) take care of the problem for me. Less work than a divorce…
Something tells me that late at night, he thinks to himself, “I wonder if it could have been the shot.”
Sorry for the pressure that we now know was irrational. Am reminded by your story that I am so grateful for a wife that see’s things in a similar and research oriented manner as I do. Best wishes and remain a strong independent thinker.
“He wasn’t concerned about me, he was concerned about his damn Bridge game.”
Forgive me but what a jerk.
I found this MIT article and shared with everyone I could. I think i even posted it here once or twice. Conclusion, the narrow band mRNA shot was never going to work against a sloppy replicator RNA corona virus class, and there were many very bad possible side effects from the novel mRNA technology. https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings/2021/SENEFF~1.PDF
I have been on Insulin for years
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If you cannot tell me what is in that Vial…it is not going in this body of mine.
I know when the injection reaches my heart—-it starts beating really fast…
People need to educate themselves. God Bless and Protect your World of Love and Kindness.
You mean you don’t trust a 2’x3′ size BLANK package insert?
A. Vaccines take 10 to 12 years to develop and include live animal testing and long-term effects analysis
B. You never develop a vaccine during the height of an epidemic/pandemic
C. Don’t trust the government or the pharmaceutical industry not to repeat the mistake of Thalidomide; if the price is right
D. Never been one of the “cool kids” or a herd follower
E. If the news media and liberal elitists are for it, I’m generally against it
F. Suppression of respected voices warning against taking the vaccine are huge red flags
G. Severe adverse effects to include death are increasing
H. The vaccines don’t work; neither to masks
I. I’m distrustful of people in authority until they can show me they are trustworthy…not enough of those at this time
Thalidomide. Yes, that factored into my decision as well.
With the foia release from the d.o.d. it seems that this has been in the works for 8-10 years.
Clearly it was still released early, as it didn’t cripple/ kill as many as was ideal.
Expanding on my previous post, during my self-education throughout the “pandemic” two things stood out. First was a comment by a doctor (or researcher) that God didn’t bring us into the world with a need for pharmaceuticals to survive. That stuck with me.
Second was the obvious corruption in the official numbers of COVID deaths (as well as cases) together with the insanely evil incentives for hospitals to financially benefit from COVID “cases”, Fauci-approved COVID treatments and, most vile of all, COVID deaths. What logical person would ever risk being a COVID patient in one of these hospitals.