I am bumping this post to the top of the page and updating because, well, I’ll explain.
First, thank you. Sincere and genuine thankfulness for your fellowship. Visitors to this site continue to prove that our nation is created by, and an assembly of, the most decent, honest, generous and kind-hearted people in the world. The responses to the question of ‘why didn’t you take the covid-19 shot?’ are nothing short of remarkable.
In the bigger picture if you want to fill up your faith cup and recognize the scale of commonsense assembly in our nation, take the time to read through the 2,000+ responses.
The feedback you are providing is exceptional and trust me when I say that far more people are reading these responses than you could fathom. Additionally, the responses have reasserted my belief in the scale of our national assembly. There are far more of us, ordinary, hardworking, commonsense, pragmatic and smart people, than the self-described intellectual elites would ever admit.
In addition to the responses below, there have been hundreds of emails answering the question, which suddenly made me realize that no one has really ever asked this question before in a format that provides ordinary people with the ability to respond.
There is also a yearning to talk about this issue, publicly and with deliberation; massively so. And I am hopeful (insert grin here) this small corner of the internet is about to push this conversation into a much larger national forum. Our nation needs a big conversation about this.
If I had to pick a single phrase to encapsulate the myriad of phenomenal responses to the question I would use the phrase, “intellectual discernment”; which again provides buckets of faith that a large number of people are wide awake, albeit part of what I call a potato revolution growing safely underground.
Also, unbeknownst to front page readers I am stunned at the people in/around operation warp-speed, these are people in government directly attached to the issue, who have contacted CTH on the backside, stepped forward and said they also didn’t take the shot because, well, despite their belief in the purpose and principle at the time, things were just not adding up and ultimately seemed sketchy. They couldn’t talk (so they felt), couldn’t even hint at their concern; but when it came to making the personal decision, they waited.
I also owe it to you to answer the question of my own status, which is a big heck no – I did not take the jab.
Why? Because in the preceding years of all my research into the rapidly exposed corruption of our government, there was just no way in hell I was going to trust that same system. A system that literally was working outside the constitution and legal framework of our nation to destroy a sitting U.S. President is going to suddenly care about my health. Nope, it did not align. I also looked at the datapoint of the U.S.S. Comfort delivered to New York City under the grandest of media proclamations about impending medical doom, only to see the ship sit empty and completely unused despite the scale of the narrative that surround its purpose.
Lastly, and more obliquely, the datapoint of one of my heroes Franklin Graham assembling a NY field hospital to serve over 20,000 patients; another massive endeavor that sat empty and without use. However, prior to the hindsight, it was the in-real-time fight from officials in/around the area who tried to block Samaritans Purse from setting up the facility. If the SARS-CoV-2 issue was as great a threat as declared, then why would anyone fight to keep out a field hospital that could provide such relief. It just didn’t make sense.
Those issues, and others, formed the baseline of my inability to reconcile the key issue of ‘trust’ needed to believe in the vaccine. Additionally, I am healthy and not within any of the risk factors. However, I also feel strongly that each health decision is unique to the individual person, and everyone was making the best decisions for them based on the available information at the time; so, I carry no judgement for those who made a different choice.
As noted, I am bumping this to the top of the site so that our conversation can continue. Normally I would start a new thread, but this one is different. I don’t want to break the continuity and I want to provide everyone the ability to see they are not alone.
Love to all,
Sundance
Reader feedback request.
I was quite shocked to review a poll I took on the Twitter last month showing that 85% of the people who follow the CTH Twitter account [TLR2] did not take the COVID-19 jab.
Without any judgement implied or inferred I am genuinely curious, why not?
With the situation clearly in hindsight, and/or given all the pressure that may have been applied to each individual situation, I am genuinely curious what was it that made you choose not to take the COVID-19 vaccination.
If you are comfortable, and please understand that no pressure is intended in any way whatsoever, could you share why you didn’t take the vaccine and how do you feel about that decision in hindsight?
If you did take the vaccination, there is also no judgement in this question. As I said back in 2021 each individual is unique, each situation is unique, and each person has to make the best decision about what is in their individual best interests. So please, don’t let this issue divide our conversation.
I am genuinely curious as to the reason so many people would withstand the public and perhaps peer pressure to follow the ‘vaccination’ advice. Also, how has that decision impacted your life? Did you lose friends and family over your personal health decision? Did those relationships heal over time? Or anything else you might find pertinent to the general question.

My wife and I took the first jab. But it quickly became obvious to me that with the timing the lockdowns were to destroy Trumps economy. And then to help put him out of office. Also after some time it was obvious this was not the Black Plague or Spanish flu. Not that people didnt die from Covid but nothing like those events. Way over blown and it was beyond obvious it was political. And listening to Fauci cemented my feelings
I made a post earlier in this thread about why I didn’t get the jab. I just want to add that it was quite evident the medical and government authorities did not want anyone to use anything that would undermine their protocol.
That raised the hairs on the back of my head and made me real suspicious.
I read everything I could on the matter and decided not to go along. I’m retired but if I wasn’t Iwould have quit rather than take the shot.
One last thing, in August 2018 I had 3 stents put in my heart and I wasn’t going to compromise myself, especially as more news came out about cardiovascular problems and the jab.
I answered earlier that I took the jab to cross an international border (U.S – Canada). Because of enforced mandates at the borders, I had to choose between taking a drug I knew may not be safe, or being with my children, hugging them, and holding them in my arms. It will be difficult to ever forgive those who forced me and many others to make such a heart wrenching decision.
I was in the air force when they mandated the swine flu shot in 1976. I fought getting that jab until I was threatened with court martial. I took the shot and got very sick. Since then I don’t care what the government wants. I’m never taking a government mandated shot.
When will you share the poll results?
This thread is not a poll. It is the sharing of people’s personal stories, a precious gift of sharing.
It would be great to compile reasons listed/injuries/etc
Not Sundance, but someone might want to do it.
There isn’t enough anecdotal info like this out there
Here is a hybrid response. Just so you know who is writing this, I am a believing Chrtistian, a diehard Trump supporter, believe The West writ large is the height of human advancement, and within The West the US is at the top, am NOT a libertarian but believe in my bones that countries and societies operate best when they are founded upon a “you leave ME alone and I will stay out of YOIUR business” approach to life. I believe the Sermon on The Mount (Matt 5-7) is the ultimate guide for living our lives.
That said, I have a couple conditions that made covid more dangerous for me, so I got both shots and 2 boosters. I then got covid that was nothing more than a mild 2-day cold (tested covid positive), and as a result and in consultation with my doctor did NOT get the third booster and probabluy will not. Doctor said it is entirely up to me, since I had covid and have real covid antibodies, alth0ugh there is no data yet as to how long they last.
Your results may vary.
Because I was one of the .mil you was given various shots w/o being told what they were in the early 90’s. We were told to shut up and stand still to accept the shots bc we had tp have them to deploy.
So, with that in mind, if .gov says I need something I am very skeptical that I really need it. Plus the more the propaganda pushed to get it the more me & my family resisted. Consequences be damned.
I am a free man and forge my own path
never vaxxed. thankful to NOT be vaxxed. in March ’22 the Dr ran a real ANTI-SARS-Cov-2 (antibody) blood test. zero antibodies; so i’ve never had it.
never wanted to get the vax. because i’m not Stupid.
way too rushed. the EUA was only valid if there were no alternative treatments. and they SUPRESSED any possible existing treatments.
AND … for the first time in Human Medical History, they quarantined (locked down) the Healthy people, not the sick ones.
the more they urged us to “trust them” … the more they eroded what little trust they had. now, almost totally gone.
WHY are the mRNA shots still on the “market”?
The reponses recorded here will be a resource for TPTB to refine future pysop initiatives.
From the responses given here TPTB know they are in real trouble because they have lost trust from conservatives who gave them the most support in the last 40 years. Did you formerly trust doctors at the NIH? I bet you don’t now. Did you trust vaccines? Many will not take any vaccine now, much less the so-called “covid vaccine”. When government loses the trust of the people, they lose the ability to tax and raise funds. I say, shut them down.
I’ve never fully trusted any govt. agency – but I did trust vaccines to treat polio, diphtheria, small pox, etc. But, the whole massive push for the covid shots with no real testing made me nervous and I didn’t trust the ‘science’. After everything we’ve seen by the govt – FBI, DOJ, NIH, IRS, ATF, etc. – I’ll never trust the govt. again.
No refining is possible at this point. I’d estimate fully 80% of the responses involve LACK OF TRUST.
And it ain’t coming back any time soon.
I took the 2 shot series 12/21. My wife and I had life insurance plans my parents started for us 10 years ago when we got married.
Country Companies sent us a letter in early December of 21. Saying that if we were not vaxed, they would drop our insurance and refund the money we paid in.
My wife was already vaxed because she is a RN. I had changed jobs twice in 2021 to avoid the requirement. Eventually, it became an economic situation for me.
After 2200 comments I’m pretty sure I can’t add anything to the debate, but my decision not to get jabbed (and to try to convince others to do the same) was easily taken.
Looking at the data, the disease wasn’t nearly as deadly as the gov’t wanted you to believe. The “cases” curve was suspiciously linear (real life isn’t linear). Hospitals were not overflowing. Pharmaceutical companies were exempted from liability. Hospitals were paid money for each death attributed to COVID-19. The gov’t crackdowns were way, way overboard. The excess death rate started climbing precipitously when the vaccines were rolled out. The gov’t refused to allow information about Ivermectin, and started prosecuting doctors who prescribed it.
All this simply screamed that the disease was a bioweapon intended to provide cover for distributing a “vaccine” that was the real depopulation tool, itself almost perfectly designed for plausible deniability because most of the excess deaths will be spread out over the next few years. The very serious problem this situation highlighted was that the entire Western World was in lockstep on it, revealing a controlling authority or philosophy that remains hidden.
I did not comply. I will not comply. They can drag my very healthy immune system out of my cold, dead body after they shoot me for not complying.
I must comment on your position. The first two paragraphs are 100% reasonable, rational, and persuasive.
The third and fourth paragraphs are where people roll their eyes and say, “Oh, you’re one of THOSE people.” A conspiracy nut who just accidentally made the right decision.
Might want to leave that bit out when discussing with normies.
I presented my observations, and then I presented my conclusions and my intentions. That’s what a debate is, and I won’t leave things out because somebody might think me a loon. For every person who rolls their eyes, there is another who wakes up to a possibility he hadn’t considered.
There isn’t time to pussyfoot around this. Here’s a prediction (the last part of the scientific method): as soon as the effectiveness of COVID-19 as a population control method wanes, a totally different disease will be rolled out, hyped, and used as the pretext for the next wave of tyranny.
Then, repeat as needed, ad nauseum.
It isn’t why you say, it’s what they hear that matters.
Words and phases to avoid:
Pureblood
Clot shot
Bio weapon
Plandemic
They make you sound like a moron. Just something to think about if you actually want to be heard instead of tuned out.
I will not allow the Left to redefine words. Do you not realize that they call these things “conspiracy theories” in order to deflect the reality of what’s happening? It’s a method as old as time.
It sounds as though you are the one who’s rolling his eyes. That’s okay. You aren’t the audience I’m speaking to.
If your goal is to get likes in the echo chamber preaching to the choir, then it’s a solid tactic. If you want to educate people who don’t already agree with you it’s not so good.
If you don’t see an ulterior motive here with all the proven lies we have heard from the government and big medicine , perhaps you should not be saying someone sounds like a moron.
Pureblood: politically incorrect term for someone who choose not to submit to a gene therapy
Clot shot: Slang for the gene therapy known to cause clots
Bio weapon: Evidence points to collusion between Fauci and others with the CCP
Plandemic: Covid 19 took out the worlds greatest President and economy.
No disrespect intended to anyone who decided to take the Covid shot. I realize the propaganda was and still is very intense. Many people were coerced by business and government.
Where’s a “normie?” None left I believe.
thumbs down
I did not. I was pregnant at the time (delivered 08/31/21), and thankfully my midwife was on the same page as me- unsolicited, she took the time to explain that there was no data whatsoever, so no medical professional could advise that their patient take the jab (in good conscience).
As a researcher, there were red flags for me immediately. There was no definitive language. Everything was a guess or insinuation, wording like “may”, “should”, “hopes to”, “could” etc. This showed me that nobody could say with any kind of certainty anything pertaining to the safety, effectiveness, risks, etc.
Next, the full-scale propaganda was not lost on me. Celebrities, politicians going on tv promoting the shot like it was an upcoming film or album or something. Then, the targeting of people of color (sounded too familiar to historical events for my comfort level). After that, people were being paid to take the jab, then came the threats and shaming, then came the mandates. My personality has always been the harder I am pushed to do something I may question, the harder I push back and dig in my heels.
‘I’ve lost friends and family members due to my personal health decision, not to mention a job. Some of those relationships are gone forever, and some (my mom, brother, sister) have healed to an extent but will never fully recover or be the same as they were. My family was judged excluded from holidays, birthday parties, and talked down too. I’ll never be able to forgive and forget that aspect.
There were two primary reasons my husband and I, along with all 3 of our adult children, declined the “vaccine”:
From the beginning, the CCP-CoC Media Mob hystrionics regarding COVID, which caused the Great Bathroom Tissue Famine, illuminated that this was going to be a Political Pandemic. Having written H5N1 Influenza Pandemic Policies and Procedures for a bank in years past, I had a good idea of what a legitimate pandemic would look like in real time and COVID did *not* meet the criteria. The same work experience also gave insight into Fauci that isn’t flattering, to say the least.
Even if the sketchy info regarding the clot shot would have started surfacing sooner, hubster nor I would have ever taken a shot for a virus that the overwhelming majority of those who contracted it would recover from just fine. PT45 even told us that the virus is real, but the panic was a hoax.
God blessed us with common sense, so the only person in our immediate family who did take the jab only did so b/c his bodily autonomy was somehow erased by his employer. (Eyeroll)
Sundance, first, TY for all you do. We can never repay you back.
Three adults in my small family. Daughter has suffered from Crohn’s for 20 years (and I blame the pharmaceutical INDUSTRY for that!) I’m a 50+ year Type 1 diabetic. Husband is as healthy as a horse.
Daughter recently got an ostomy, and loves it. Never missed work b/c of this BS. Her job, preK, is near home, and she walks. That sunlight and exercise help.
I’ve always tried to keep my carbs low.
Have recently started making/drinking kefir, cultured foods, and kombucha.
If we take care of our bodies, they will take care of us. Culturedfoodlife.com
And none of us took the shot. Being involved with the medical INDUSTRY for so long, gives you a healthy skeptism. AND we’re not stupid!
Neither my husband or I took the shots. We sort of waited in the beginning to see what other folks were doing and just kept doing that, along with reading about the virus and my test results from a year or so before showing I had a Class 2 (out of 6) heart murmur. It seemed less likely I was going to take the shot and boosters all things considered although everyone thought we should get it. My husband had a bout of something or other, most likely the Delta version of the virus pretty severely for about 3-4 days and after recovering felt that he now had immunity after that and was not as all interested in taking the shot. I had a very mild case where I lost my sense of taste for about 2-3 weeks but then was fine. We masked up when we had to for grocery shopping and a few other things like getting gas, but mostly isolated for the two years as everyone around us seemed to be so into the shot and mask thing. Some of these folks have expired over the two years+ we are pretty sure helped along by the injections. I am 72 and my husband 74 and in good health. I have taken iron supplements and vitamin C for a long time and added Vitamin D and E when the virus came along. An interesting sidelight to all this was that we had a second home in a 55+ mobile home community which has about 1000+ in it and no one seemed to be getting sick. Many have arthritis and I was talking to one of the neighbors one day and she said she had taken the hydroclorophine medication for many years prescribed by her doctor for her arthritis and that many people in the park were on the same regimen as her. We think that explained that no one was sick from the virus in this locality during this time.
Yes, to the hydroxychloroquine! My 50-year-old daughter has been taking this for the past 25 years (lupus diagnosis). Even at the height of the spread, she was out and about shopping at Target & grocery stores. Last year, her son and daughter both had mild cases of Covid. She has never contracted Covid. Told her it was the hydroxy giving her protection and after a few seconds of thought she replied, “Hmmm . . .you’re probably right.”
Very interesting about your 55+ home and probable HCQ prophylaxis.
When the AZ fish tank cleaner murderess killed her husband, the Lancet made up hoaxes about HCQ, and the bogus VA hospital study pretended HCQ was dangerous…
I knew it had to be good.
They worked hard to find reasons to ban it for Covid.
From my 54.2GB COVID-19 folder:
February 11, 2021 (Children’s Health Defense)
Could spike protein in Moderna, Pfizer vaccines cause blood clots, brain inflammation and heart attacks? – Dr. J. Patrick Whelan, a pediatric rheumatologist, warned the FDA in December that mRNA vaccines could cause microvascular injury to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways not assessed in safety trials.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/could-spike-protein-in-moderna-pfizer-vaccines-cause-blood-clots-brain-inflammation-and-heart-attacks
On Dec. 8, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) received a public submission from J. Patrick Whelan, M.D., Ph.D.
The submission was in response to the agency’s request for comments regarding vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 in advance of the Dec. 10 meeting when the committee would review the Pfizer/BioNTech (BNT162b2) SARS-CoV-2 vaccine for emergency use authorization (EUA).
Whelan’s training (at Harvard, Texas Children’s Hospital and Baylor College of Medicine) includes degrees in biochemistry, medicine and rheumatology. For 20 years, he worked as a pediatric rheumatologist. He currently specializes in treating children with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), which has been associated with coronavirus infections.
In his public submission, Whelan sought to alert the FDA about the potential for vaccines designed to create immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to instead cause injuries.
Specifically, Whelan was concerned that the new mRNA vaccine technology utilized by Pfizer and Moderna has “the potential to cause microvascular injury (inflammation and small blood clots called microthrombi) to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways that were not assessed in the safety trials.”
[HUGE snip]
If not viral infection, what else could be causing injury to distant organs associated with COVID-19?
The most likely culprit that has been identified is the COVID-19 spike protein released from the outer shell of the virus into circulation. Research cited below has documented that the viral spike protein is able to initiate a cascade of events that triggers damage to distant organs in COVID-19 patients.
Worryingly, several studies have found that the spike proteins alone have the capacity to cause widespread injury throughout the body, without any evidence of virus.
I’m a Vietnam veteran. I survived the war and will never trust the government. The number one killer on the planet.
Yep. 8 months POW took 1 year in hospital to recuperate but they still say he was never there and hid their own records proving it. I’ve got the PACT papers and can’t get myself to fill them out – got a bad feeling.
My other thing is that the medical community has no clothes. I 100% believe that the mad rush to popularize “mental illness” is risk management/indemnification for the medical community denial of care. (Should anyone ever find an attorney with conscience and a death wish that desires to tackle.) At least in the former USSR TPTB attached the label to unauthorized thought containers but here in the USSA it’s all about the Benjamins, I mean Wilson’s. Love of mammon indeed.
A while back somehow I caught Congressman Dave Schweikert pleading for a change . . .
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3516388-lawmakers-focus-on-prevention-cures-to-curb-us-health-insurance-costs/
How many years if ever?
I’ve got more that I could say about how our government has sabotaged it’s own reputation – not stuff written about here but this is good enough. (For why we didn’t take the shot.)
my decision was not really “health” based per se… but any time the fascists who run our government get this deadset on trying to convince mer of something, i just automatically believe the opposite. its in my DNA, and most of the time it has served me well.
it was creepy and offputting not only the ridiculous push, but then how they started demonizing everything that wasn’t the specific steps they demanded. Whats the harm in taking care of yourself or trying some OTC drugs as well? why do they have a vested interest in trying to convince me that i am a bad person for trying alternatives?
At this point, if Buttgig were to have a press conference and declare the sky is blue, i would start asking what i am missing. not joking.
When the government gave immunity to the pharmaceutical companies and then hid the research studies to a date when all the young people would be old, I knew it was bad.
I am in my 80s. Always had a strong natural immunity and for the most part still do. Only take proven medications as a last resort like antibiotics and over the counter meds. Have been quite healthy all my life. I seen the reports that came out when covid started. No jab for me.
I had the Hong Kong flu back when it came out and was quite sick with it for a couple weeks.
I did not get vaccinated, but I had enormous amounts of pressure to. My father-in -law was an elected Democrat for 31 years. He yelled at me over this issue. My brother is a pediatrician who vaccinated at least one of his kids. My wife is a government employee who was force vaccinated to keep her job. I really am not sure why I was so skeptical. Perhaps it was the weakness of the virus, I’m in my 40s and am in decent health. Perhaps it’s my distrust in much of the government and my push back against authority figures. In the end I think there was just enough information out there that allowed me to make an educated decision and allowed me to weigh and accept the risk at the time of not taking the vaccine.
I am really glad I didn’t take the vaccine and I am angry my wife was forced to take the two initial doses to keep her job.
Very simple I don’t trust anyone or anything that tries that hard for you to take it. I lost my job over refusing the jab. I sold my house in nj and moved to wva. One thing that this has taught me is happiness is on the other side of sacrifice. Americans need to get on the same page and push the hell back and suffer a little cause happiness is on the other side.
We move from NC to WVA after I too got fired! Welcome to the resistance!
I’m thinking that most ARE on the same page – just no plan of action.
off topic but curious the context/why the pic of I70 in Colorado – i drive that all the time… never gets old.
I did not take the jab, because, as you have stated, trust in the system was sorely lacking. After the first few weeks in February/March as news of C19 was spreading, I think most people were concerned as this was portrayed as something the government was projecting fear over. As usual, fear of the unknown is probably the worst. But that fear devolved into doubt as more information and, to me, nonsense & hype about the virus came out.
Soon after the shutdowns, I wondered how I could get direct information as to what was going on. I live in the New Orleans area & we had an early outbreak here because of Mardi Gras. One of the few places where one could actually get out and talk to people was the grocery store. I reasoned that if C19 was spreading, the cashiers at groceries should be the most likely infected as the were touching everything that all the customers touched (and the plexiglas was a real joke). Speaking to the cashiers, no one was getting sick. Hmmm.
My background is in science, BS Chemistry, and I have made peptides and RNA synthetically for a living. The RNA products, called primers, were used by researchers to perform PCR reactions. I know how PCR works, and using it diagnose the presence of an infection, especially the inflated number of cycles, seemed ridiculous to me. The mask mandate falls into the same category. Finally, I knew the background of Anthony Fauci from the 80’s AIDS epidemic. This guy was not to be believed.
With the doubts I had, and 99.8% recovery rate for C19, I decided I would take my chances and not be a guinea pig.
I have 2 boys and a girl, early to mid-twenties. I told them do not take the jab. One son played baseball at a Div. I school and the coach pushed hard to get the whole team jabbed. He refused. He was cut with one game left in his senior season (Spring ’21). My other son was working in a healthcare field and I told him I would put my money where my mouth was and support him if he lost his job, he didn’t get the jab either.
My wife & I finally contracted C19(Delta) in August ’21, from one of her co-workers who had been jabbed. It was a bit of a struggle, but we now have a lasting immunity.
re: “I finally got Covid this past October and I have it again today.”
Please, a favor. What symptoms – ALL the symptoms? Shortness of breath under exertion? Low Blood oxygen was measured? Any signs of pneumonia? Lose taste? I had all these symptoms, but, only **once** back in Aug-Sept of 2020, and recovered since. I think many ppl are mistaking something else for supposed re-lapses with Covid-19? I place low value, low confidence in, a PCR test result too. So, unless I ask, and I have to ask, there are doubts.
Retired Magistrate here: My husband and I had covid in January 2020 and got it again in May 2022; neither one of us are vaccinated. So our immunity lasted about two years. Our second go round with it was different from the first so I presume we had a variant and we did not have immunity to the variant.
I do think Covid is like the flu…the “variants” are varied enough not to respond to previous illness. Dr McCullough said something to that effect.
That’s another reason I doubted the vax… if it’s flu-like, it’ll change and so will vax.
3rd grade & again in college promised 2 dif GF I’d never take the “Mark of the Beast.” Didn’t believe at the time gov’t would require a jab insertion for work & commerce. LOL.
Suspicious because Pfrizer, Moderna, etc wouldn’t accept any financial responsibility if something went wrong unlike the medical trials I’ve participated in past years.
I don’t have a “bucket list” – but If I did, you would be first on it! Thank you for all you do for us!!!
Tried to donate, ran into some difficulty with CC (cancelled PP) – will tray again later.. Remember Treepers to Donate!
Of course I meant that for Sundance 🙂
As a retired federal employee I developed a mistrust of my own employer through experience over the years. The department I retired from in 2010 was NOT the same one I started with in 1976. So, I was wary when the shutdowns, maskings, etc occurred with the beginning of a so-called pandemic. When the development of an mRNA “vaccine” was announced I began to research just what mRNA gene therapy really was. My wife and I decided very quickly it was not for us. Some of our children and grandchildren made the same decision, some didn’t. Our son didn’t want it but was forced to take it by his employer. My wife and I have utilized Ivermectin, HCQ, zinc, quercetin, etc as preventatives. We’ve had either covid or flu once with no significant symptoms beyond what we would have experienced in our younger years. Seeing all the serious side effects, including death, from the jabs just reinforces our belief we made the right choice.
Early on I started taking Quercetin, Zink, Vitamin D and Vitamin C to boost my immune system. I had close, prolonged exposure to to several people with very active/hospitalized covid infections, and didn’t even get a sniffle. It worked VERY well for me.
Remain Unvaxed. The rush to immunize with an experimental vaccine didn’t match the risk. The death numbers were obviously manipulated. Zero flu deaths? Come on man!
In January 2020, when I heard about the virus coming from a Chinese city where a biolab is located, I had no doubt about the origin of the virus because I recalled stories in the ’80s about an accident in a city in the USSR where something similar happened and it was covered up. But the media and the governments were talking in January 2020 about wet markets, bats and other stupid stuff. I stopped believing anything coming from the governments and the media. Almost 1 year later, same governments and media were promoting the vaccine after they promoted masks, lockdowns and hysteria making our lives miserable. Why would I believe them about the vaccines? I had doubts about the efficacy, about the side effects and all my doubts were confirmed by reality.
There is so much to say on this topic. We were covid skeptics from the start. But mainly, by watching all the politicization of covid, reading alternative news sites, and not watching the msm, by the time the vaccines were being rolled out both my husband and I said NO WAY IN HELL!
Please share. Could this explain some of the arrogance and disregard that we saw / are seeing RE the vaxx ?
This must be repealed !
2016 Obama-Era Cures Act: Section 3024
“Clinical testing of investigational medical devices and drugs no longer requires the INFORMED CONSENT of the subjects if the testing poses no more than minimal risk to the subjects and includes safeguards.”
Link ; H.R.34 – 114th Congress (2015-2016): 21st Century Cures Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
@TheChiefNerd . Jan. 11 , 2023
( They actually thought they could steal your natural right to bodily autonomy and REVOKE CONSENT FOR YOU )
Question : Might this cover other testing ? Like D.O.D. – DARPA testing on citizens ?
I too have not taken the jab and I never will. I don’t even get flu shots because I think they are a scam.
I work in Healthcare in the ‘operations administrative management’ side of things and seeing the claims that were billed and paid for w/Covid-19 as the primary diagnosis and all the underlying commorbidities that these people had was crazy…98% were people who were already severely ill with COPD, Diabetes, Heart Disease, Cancer, etc..
They were the ones dying. It was and still is a money grab for hospitals, big pharma, labs and so on all to perpetuate the pandemic illusion. Also, IF it was so deadly, where was our military to force quarantine on us like they did in China?
What I saw going on in New Zealand, Canada, and Oz were just proof to me that they were testing grounds to see how compliant ‘the sheeple’ would be. I fear GOD more than any sickness or man. I know how wonderfully each one of us is made and if something is going to bring about my death, natural or man-made I will let my body fight it but I will be damned if I stick any big pharma drug pushed by the so called ‘Dr.’ Fauci into my body!
GOD Bless and ‘HOLD THE LINE’ because something about these shots is no right…GOD gave us instincts and discernment for a reason, pray and rely on what HE gave you!
In addition to my previous post, we have completely lost faith in the medical establishment. Thank God for the brave voices of those doctors who did not follow the government script.
I got sick w what I now assume was the dreaded Covid the Nov b4 it hit the media and treated it like another flu, which it was. In listening to the same talking points from the media and listening to Trump on the issue, I said no way to the shot and I also never masked up. I gotta tell you that I got alot of scared looks from some folks but not once did anyone say anything to me, altho the look on my face may have put them off somewhat. I was really looking forward to a fight with some of the maskholes and Covidiots that crossed my path :>)
OMG I have never seen this question asked in a forum where I can respond.
I have not had any COVID shots and neither has my husband.
None of the COVID information made sense or added up to us. Our hospital was never overwhelmed with COVID patients. It is a regional hospital so a lot of people are directed here from smaller, surrounding hospitals. I know people who work there in nursing. We didn’t know anyone personally or once removed who got the virus for at least a year after it arrived in our state. No one I worked with was infected until early 2022. All came through it easily.
I declined the swine flu shot in the late 70s also. I have never had a flu shot. Anytime the government gets that pushy I start asking questions.
I recently retired from the US Postal Service. Some of the bargaining unit employees received the shots in my offices . I was a postmaster. I never received pressure to get it from my boss or his boss. I supervised 3 post offices. I never asked any employees if they received the shot. The only way I knew was because they told me they needed off early or the day after because they were having a reaction.
Now that most of this is over I am very happy to have made the decision to NOT get any of the shots.
My husband and I may have had COVID in January 2022. We were both very ill. The primary symptom was exhaustion. I did cough a lot and cracked a couple ribs. I also had pneumonia during this time. We were tested but I don’t trust the test results either. I stayed home for three weeks before I returned to work.
I was prepared to retire if they made us get the shot. Thankfully I was able to retire on my schedule, not Joe Biden’s.
Next question is if you took the shot are do you think you been fooled do you fee you been lied to? Known what you know now would you still take it ?
Sundance
Thank You, this conversation is needed in every way . Every Day we here of People suddenly died. It is well overdue to put the breaks on this vac and all others. Studies and research is desperately needed and the truth needs to be TOLD
I work around healthcare, so got the 2 doses early. Just wanted to go back to work normally. My wife did not get any doses. I strongly suggested she not. I proceeded to get covid 3x within the next year. We felt the whole gov response from the beginning was ridiculous and wrong, even within the first “2 weeks.”
Pretty quickly saw that my company and everyone else mandating the madness was absurd and deeply regret ever getting the vaccine. It all just defied logic. I’ve been a CTH reader since 2015, so feel particularly dumb for not seeing the falsities early. Had I waited the few months when all the pressure and mandating started, I definitely would have NOT received the vaccine.
“I also looked at the datapoint of the U.S.S. Comfort delivered to New York City under the grandest of media proclamations about impending medical doom, only to see the ship sit empty and completely unused despite the scale of the narrative that surround its purpose.”
I explained my general/philosophical skepticism earlier in the thread, but it was also stuff like this that kept me out of the lines. Nothing ever added up. Nothing the media presented as reality reflected the reality around me.
Nothing being “leaked” out of China, especially videos of Covid Zombies and people collapsing on the street, appeared anywhere else in the world (until the mRNA shots began, but that is a different topic).
None of the mass field hospitals ever reached capacity; almost every one were hardly used at all.
None of the mortality models even remotely came close to being correct. The most prominent one in the media predicted 200,000 covid deaths in Massachusetts by the end of April 2020. As of January 2023, there are 23,000 total deaths attributed to Covid in the Commonwealth.
And when I saw the Boston media covering the arrival of the first mRNA doses at Logan like the Pope had just arrived carrying a piece of the True Cross which had an apparition of the Virgin Mary’s face shining from it, I felt as if they just might be trying a little too hard to sell the public on something which, if it was a necessary and safe vaccine, did not need to be sold so hard.
Or at all.
“Attributed” to ‘covid’ is the catch phrase. Gunshot wounds killing the patient were called ‘covid’ deaths too.
Jab deaths are going to skyrocket, sadly.
I could never understand, with a 99.5 percent chance of survival, why the vaccine was necessary. The more I heard employers make the vaccine mandatory, the more skeptical I became. My children almost fell for the emotional appeal that if you loved your grandparents, you would get the vaccine. I thank God they ultimately decided not to.
Work in the medical and healthcare field over 32 years.
You witness medical mistakes made by physicians, pharmacists and the like.
You see pharma “drug pushers” constantly in physician offices with “goodies”.
You witness the paradigm shift from “there is a pill for that” vs. etiology, diet, lifestyle, OTC supplements.
You see shift from “care pathways” to hospital based “AI” algorithms – no room for further differential dx.
You see “individual care” lost & replaced with one size fits all.
You interact with younger & young physicians and providers – with check list of questions, little time – and Rx pad.
You notice the shift to socialized medicine.
You are horrified with the medical field’s growing embrace of palliative, hospice and euthanasia.
You are terrified with the medical field’s funding & philosophical ties to the federal government.
You see the roll out of an experimental injection & curiously look up some basic research – initially and you realize:
Fauci’s financial ties to Moderna
Modern’s history
Animal studies showing mRNA platform killed the subjects. ALL OF THEM.
You read the “fine, small” print of the federal government’s immunity grants to pharma, etc.
You realize employers who mandate the genetic injection are NOT granted legal immunity.
You realize DARPA and other federal agencies have documented history & research into mRNA technology.
You are gobsmacked at the purposeful fear & cult based propaganda…..and that it is working with your friends/family.
You see the definition of vaccine changed as this mRNA is a genetic therapy procedure.
You recall the Book of Revelation’s reference to “pharmakia”.
All is inverted.
Masks are good. It is a “vaccine”. Healthy, asymptomatic people are “sick”. Distance of 6 feet is key.
You look around and see the world has lost its collective mind.
You see the world worshipping Fauci, injections, public health care “experts”
You see the world turn away from God.
You see parents sacrificing their children at the altar of COVID.
You are horrified. Speechless.
Satan. Molloch. Lucifer.
You know then you must & will resist.
You pray. Stick to your guns. Look to God.
You say Hell No.
Excellent post. Agree completely. It is also not the vaccine of yesteryear that was a once and done. It is a shot like a flu shot with the intention of repeated shots so Big Pharma and medical industry can make $$$. They also keep moving the goal posts on it. I literally heard an older woman explain in the Drs. office to another man that said he is done with vaccines that she took the Jabs because it lessens the effect when you get Covid again and that is what her Dr. told her. Both said they got Covid again anyway.
The Hippocratic Oath of, “First, do no harm”, is being abandoned by doctors, scientists, and other “experts” the world over.
Why is there such a mad rush to vaccinate the population of the world when there is no evidence that the injections even work? What ever happened to the proven science of herd immunity? Why are injections being forced on people when almost everyone has already had the virus and is now immune? Is an ounce of prevention now not better than a pound of cure? Why not give people information on how to strengthen their immune system?
Who is really behind this fraud being foisted on us? Why are the real numbers, statistics, sciences, and anyone wanting a reasonable discussion about this being hid and silenced?
We know from God’s Word that we are made in his image. We know that Satan hates us for this. We also know that only God can actually create something new and that Satan’s jealousy about this causes him to only want to mar and destroy God’s creation. He cannot create anything! His only desire is to destroy the image of God and then to make an attempt to have his own image set up by fraud and manipulation.
We are witnessing the beginning of the final battle between God and Satan, Light and darkness, Truth and error, and good and evil.
We know that Jesus Christ is the Great Physician. His purpose and design is only to heal and restore that which was marred in the Fall. Though still in the image of God, we need healing and restoration in our spirits, souls, and bodies. We need new birth and regeneration. The Great Physician does this with the Word and Holy Spirit.
The Great Physician goes to the root of the matter and deals with the actual problem. Our spirit and soul is restored through the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Lamb’s atonement for us sinners. Our bodies are best cared for by eating ‘for strength, and not for drunkenness’. Ecc.10:17d
Satan, the great deceiver, is behind this fraud we are witnessing. He only seeks to cover up the problem and mask the symptoms with his sorceries. In the Bible, the words ‘sorceries’ and ‘sorcerers’ comes from the Greek word ‘pharmakela’ and ‘pharmakos’, the drugs and the druggists. Satan is the one who inspires men to invent evil things.
This is not to say that all medicine is bad for the Bible teaches us to use the herbs of the field for the service of man, and most medicines are derived from the field. This is concerning street drugs, synthetic imitations and DNA modifying drugs.
The Pharmaceutical industry are the sorcerers making and selling their sorceries. Almost all of the drugs and narcotics on the street today originated in the lab of a sorcerer.
Magazine and TV companies are almost all supported by ads for drugs, sorceries. Today, the media is abuzz with condoning the druggists’ injections, as the Word says, “for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived’. Rev.18
Satan has been attempting to “modify” genetics for a long time. DNA is God’s signature within his image, whether it be plants, animals, or us. When DNA is “modified”, the seed of the plant, or animal, or us, his image, becomes sterile, no longer able to reproduce after “his kind” as God wants.
These mRNA injections are an attempt to modify God’s design and ruin his image and it’s going to end with pain and sores and disaster. Nobody knows the long term effects these injections will have.
“A man that doeth violence to the blood of any person shall flee to the pit, let no man stay him.” Pr.28:17
This certainly condemns aborting babies, but it also speaks against injecting drugs designed to cause immune system storms and DNA altering drugs into the blood. We need to fortify our immune systems with good things and let them do their job!
From a Bill of Rights standpoint, the first amendment is clear:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Each portion of the first amendment is being broken repeatedly by the people perpetuating the plandemic and they need to be held accountable.
First, “follow the science” became the chant of the sorcerers as they intentionally hid the real facts and established a religion around masks and social distancing.
The free exercise of religion is being taken away by various mandates ranging from masks, distancing, closures, to mandatory testing, injections, and proof of such.
The obvious censoring being done on social media platforms, radio and TV programs, etc. is a direct assault on our free speech. Laws against “hate speech” and “misinformation “ are being used to attack hated speech and actual truth.
In many cases, school, city, and county boards and councils meet in secret, away from questions and scrutiny by the people they claim to represent.
We cannot allow our God-given rights to be trampled. “Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither”, a wise man once said.
Our liberties cannot be taken away or suspended just to make a few people feel safer. Feel safer- that’s it! Not safer, just made to feel safer. They still get the virus in turn and their immune system deals with it as best it can, just like humanity has done for the last 6000years.
In conclusion, what will it be for you? Truth or error? Light or darkness? Wisdom or folly?
Will you take the advice of the Great Physician, found in his Word, or are you going to line up for the injections from the Sorcerer.
Will you be cowering with the fearful or living out God’s will with the faithful?
We must not let Satan divide us and silence us! Christian fellowship is so important!
“Heaviness in the heart of man maketh it stoop: but a good word maketh it glad.” Pr.12:25
“A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.” Pr.17:22
Where to start?
18 years my wife was diagnosed with an illness. She was eligible to select one of two experimental drug trials that would run for a full year.
The first one was a double-blind, placebo, study of a brand new medication that had passed animal trials and was just starting human trials but was not FDA approved. It was supposed to be the latest cutting-edge scientific medication that could in theory eradicate her disease. The first group got a saline IV drip. They were the control group. The second group got the new medication as an IV drip.
The second experimental study was a double-blind, non-placebo study. In this drug trial, the pharmaceutical company was looking at the efficacy of dosage. It was a drug trial for an already FDA of approved medication for her condition. The drug company wanted to see if a double dose of medicine would be more effective in countering her disease.
The first group got the standard dosage and were the control group. The second group got a double dose of medication.
I wanted my wife to select the drug trial with the new experimental medication. I believed in big Pharma and America’s advancements in science and medicine. At the time I believed they wouldn’t do human trials unless all the other animal trials were proven successful. I thought the doctors wouldn’t recommend the study unless the medication was “safe and effective.” At the time, I was thinking if the medication were at the stage of human trials, it had to be safe. It’s not like my wife had cancer and this was a last ditch attempt to save her life.
My wife on the other hand, my wife decided to enter the second study. She was concerned that if she went into the first study, there was a 50/50 chance she wouldn’t get the medication. She was concerned about getting treatment to slow the progression of her diseases even though her aliment is a slowly progressive disease. To my wife getting the approved FDA medication was the best way to go since it would be the medication prescribed to anyway even if she decided not to participate in the dosage study. The dosage study was less risky, and at the end of the trial if she happened to be in the double dose group — and it was show to be effective —there was a chance she could continue with the double dose treatment off label (non-FDA recommended dosage) as her standard treatment.
Over the year, we followed the developments of both drug trials. After four months we learn that three people in the first study had died. We were told two of the people who died were not “screened” properly. They had other preexisting issues, which if properly taken into consideration, should have prevented them from ever being in the study.
Side fact: when research doctors recommend their patients into a research study, the doctor gets paid for their work. There is a financial incentive for them to get people into research studies. But the drug companies want their drugs to work, so they want only the best human candidates for their research. That’s why they want younger “healthy” people with a specific disease for the trials. They don’t want the homeless guy up the street with cancer and aids. That would taint the research.
We were told the third death though was caused by the “medication” and I’m putting it in quotes because a medication should not cause death. That’s called a poison. This new cutting-edge, experimental medication crossed the blood-brain barrier and attacked the person’s brain and CNS and the patient died a horrible death.
We were shocked!!!! That could have been my wife.
After three deaths the new cutting-edge drug trial was immediately stopped and the medication shelved.
This experience was a lesson to us.
#1. Experimental drug trials are dangerous. There is REAL risk. Medicine is practiced it is not absolute.
#2. You don’t know what you don’t know. A wait and see approach is always the best when it comes to new drugs and medical treatments.
#3. New trials are NEVER done on children or pregnant woman. It is inhumane. By Law Drug companies are prevented from experimenting on kids and pregnant woman. That’s why pregnant woman are told at the onset of pregnancy to stop taking all medications. If a medication is water-soluble the medication can get to the baby via the bloodstream. If it’s fat-soluble, the medication can get to the infant when it breast feeds. Both bad.
#4. Every drug and new medication takes years to develop. Never in the history of mankind has a new medication ever worked, as designed, perfectly the first time out. Not even small pox and polio.
#5. Even though mRNA has been studied for 20+ years, there has never been a successful mRNA drug ever developed. All animal trials failed.
When the new mRNA injectable drug came out we decided the best approach would be to be in the control group and forgo the shot.
As the Covid pandemic raged on, here’s what we observed.
1. If the shot were “safe and effective” as advertised, the government wouldn’t need to continue to push the ad propaganda. The constant never ending media blitz reminded me of the zero-interest home loan ads in 2003-2008 before the housing crash.
2. If the medication were “safe and effective” there would be a line out the door of every doctors office.
3. If the medication were “safe and effective” the gov wouldn’t need to change the definition of a Vaccine.
4. If the medication were “safe and effective” they wouldn’t have to make it mandatory for the military or for gov workers.
5. If the government pushed the medication on pregnant women. For a brand new medication that in itself is crazy and any medical person who gave the shot to a pregnant women should have their license revoked and put in prison.
6. The government recommended the shot to children in the same dose as a regular person. That in itself is ridiculous.
7. The harder the government pushes an agenda, the bigger the lie. We just saw the US government try to frame a sitting President. We where’re going to believe their propaganda.
8. The gov prevented other drugs from being prescribed including HCQ and Ivermectin. Medicine is individual. Everyone is different. Not every drug is going to work the same way in everyone. The way the gov approached this new medicine reminded me of a communist society, where everyone was the same and no one was unique.
9. There was a study that came out about who got the shot. People with advanced degrees and PHDs were the least injected group. I believe this is a group of people who think for themselves.
10. There was zero liability for the drug manufacturers. That alone should tell you Hell No.
11. The medication is experimental but no one mentioned or talked about a control group. How can you push an experimental medication without a control group? That seemed very suspect. What happens if the drug hurts people or causes infertility?
12. Covid is the flu. If the medication was finally deemed to help you get over it faster and not to prevent transition or infection what was the point? It sounds like the government was pushing nothing more than advanced Tamiflu and Tamiflu — even FDA approved — has issues. So we decided it wasn’t worth the risk because “trusting the science” doesn’t mean being blind and dumb.
13. The gov started pushing boosters. If the medication didn’t work well the first time, then the drug companies need to go back and reformulate. Pushing boosters seemed like a reckless bad idea and a very sophomoric, unscientific approach to medicine.
Science isn’t a religion.
Science is always wrong, again and again, and again until it’s right. It’s then only right until new understandings and breakthroughs are made and the cycle of discovery and learning continues.
14. Bill Gates and big tech. Everyone old enough remembers Windows Me. When we heard that Bill Gates and Tech had teamed up with Big Pharma was the linchpin. Taking a software approach to medicine is a really bad idea. Software companies push out beta versions of code in mass. If they get enough guinea pigs to beta test the software, they can further develop their software faster and then write version 1.1, 1.2 etc. with patches or new code trains. 2.1, 2.2 etc.
But there is a saying in the network security world. Pro’s know, no dot 0’s in a production environment.
There is no bigger, more important production environment than the human body. So why would ANYONE EVER trust Bill Gates and a covid mRNA injectable 1.0 experimental medication into your body unless you were on death’s door and had no other option?
Because at the end of the day, when it comes to life you cannot reboot the blue-screen of DEATH.
Thank you for the opportunity to respond Sundance. We really appreciate it.
This is basically what I wrote back on July 3, 2022 as I reflected on this question: How did I know not to take the vaxx? To begin with, I didn’t. It was just a hunch. But these were the impressions, and then eventually the testimonies and data that came along to confirm the impressions.
But I grieve that so many loved ones, so many well-meaning people whom I have long trusted went along with this, with the naive, but (I suppose) noble aim of “doing the right thing.” But there is all the difference in the world between humanitarian ethics and Christian ethics. That difference is nothing short of the leap of faith when presented with the God-man who died and rose again in order, for freedom’s sake, to set us free. (Galatians 5:1). “Do not submit again to the yoke of slavery.” “Do not put your trust in princes, in mortals who cannot save.” (Psa 146)
Best wishes — in Christ! — to one and all readers here.
Mark Crispin Miller? Interesting…
He and Naomi Wolf were in textbooks we used for years–obviously lefties. I’ll have to look up what you’re referring to.
Naomi Wolf’s book, The Bodies of Others, is excellent. I know her left-leaning, woman’s lib background. But what happened over the last 2-3 years has opened her eyes to an evil I don’t think she thought existed until now. And she is working on exposing it. Read that book and share it with others.
It’s a regular feature of MCM’s substack. Every week he lists “In memory of” those who’ve died suddenly, abroad and in the US. Heartbreaking, but much in the same vein as Ed Dowd’s new book.
https://substack.com/profile/37258171-mark-crispin-miller
You are quite right that MCM is pretty liberal, any NYU prof would have to be, and the commenter below is quite right that Naomi Wolf is not exactly conservative. Same with Matt Taibbi doing the Twitter stuff. When reality mugs the lefties (and they actually wake up to it in red-pill land), that is when things get hard to deny.
I did not get the ‘shot’ because I truly believed that if I contracted covid it would be no more than a bad cold. I am 61 years old, in good shape. I did contract covid in December of 2021. It was a head cold. Went away in 7-8 days. I won’t get a flue or ‘shingles’ shot for the same reason. I may get sick but it won’t kill me. – at this time in my life.
This was the wrong subject to try to fool this person!!
I’ve been a experimental vaccine study patient and I worked in a microbiology laboratory for packaging sanitization for eye drops..
I know 2 concrete facts
masks are a lie
They cannot stop bacteria or viruses
effective vaccinations take a decade or more to develop
No need to go further as
If you ignore those 2 facts
You enter 🤡 🌎
They have been full of fecal matter from the beginning and I have shouting from the roof tops to anyone that will listen !
I been banned from 2 forums I was a long time member or for calling it out.
Someone my family knew well died 2 days after his 2nd shot
That and my mouth kept my close family away from it except for my stupid ass sister who did it for her job
Unfortunately most of the people I’m acquainted with took it. I tried to talk a few opeople out of it with no luck.
The programming was too strong for logic to be able to stop it.
I am an RN. I am skeptical of vaccines (all). When the mRNA vaccine was so rapidly available for a “plandemic” it was obviously part of the “plan”.
My father was vaccinated and dead in ten days of heart ischemia.
I don’t know if I’m supposed to reply to comments here, but I want you to know that you’re not alone. Most of the nurses I know refused the jab, even though many of them say so only in private. That was another element that reaffirmed my own choice. Nurses know because they see first hand.
I didn’t take the jab because I’m always suspicious of government “cures”. ESPECIALLY when they come out of the wood work through an operation called “warp speed” (sorry Trump, what you sold, I didn’t buy). Moreover, I KNOW myself and I am not going to inject something in my body that I know nothing about. And Jesus said: KNOW THY SELF. These three words never rang as true as during the pandemic.
President Trump was in office at the start of the pandemic, and relied on people with actual medical training to advise him on policy, and followed their (Fauci’s) advice. Of course, President Trump never MANDATED the vax; he simply acted to make what he expected to be a safe and effective medicine available to the public. =9[.]9=
In Chicago, it was mandated for health care workers.
Citizens were so panic stricken, there were “eligibility” lists and people were ‘jumping the line’ before they knew anything about it. The Chicago sheep did not question it at all. Both educated and uneducated.
A hospital administrator lost his job for pandering the jab to his friends.
I was born and raised in Chicago. Me and my very large family have not been jabbed.
Somehow we avoided the sheep you speak of.