An interesting dynamic begins as Elon Musk takes ownership of Twitter promising increased transparency. Mr. Musk tweeted out an internal message from Yoel Roth (still employed) to some unknown entity where the head of Safety and Integrity of Twitter tellingly implied the executives in charge were withholding information from Musk and lawyers during the lawsuit.
Yoel Roth is the Head of Twitter Safety and Integrity; his message on 5/17/22 reads, “But also lol if Amir continues to BS me, my escalation route is “Amir’s OKRs [Objectives and Key Results] are entirely based on fraudulent metrics and he doesn’t care and may actively be trying to hide the ball.” “Literally doing what Elon is accusing us of doing.” [SOURCE]
Musk forwarded the message publicly saying, “Wachtell & Twitter board deliberately hid this evidence from the court. Stay tuned, more to come …”
If the Twitter executives have left a trail of deception from opposition and the subsequent civil litigation during the takeover bid, Mr. Musk could have standing to withhold any exit compensation package, pending new civil litigation as an outcome of these discoveries. It will be interesting to see how this proceeds.
One thing ideological leftists are known for, is making legal mistakes in their thirst to retain influence. It would not be surprising to discover a host of internal documentation that would expose any prior deception within the Twitter company and organization.
That doesn’t sound too good: “We are all entitled to our political beliefs.” Not when one is moderating “free speech”.
And that’s the key point.
We ARE given a freedom of speech in voicing our political support and opposition. And the government is not supposed to persecute its citizens over its speech.
And Yoel is free to believe whatever he wants. It’s a free country.
And Twitter is a private company. The courts are still debating, but lately private companies have a bit more freedom in denying speech to others. But Twitter Has community guidelines for public participation on its private servers, and internal rules on employee conduct.
When his PERSONAL beliefs intrude on his job function as a moderator of other individuals public speech, if he is violating the internal codes of conduct, then he will have a problem. Sounds like he stumbled on a compliance issue and escalated it, likely sarcastically, but enough to be caught in Elon’s audit sweep.
If Twitter customers are following the Twitter guidelines, and as a moderator Yoel shadow bans someone because of personal disagreements, that would be a problem. That’s the kind of ethics issue a typical HR staff might need to correct. But time will tell what kind of ethics (if any) anyone at Twitter employed.
PS: To underscore an important distinction, Americans living under our constitution are not “given” a freedom of speech. Rather, freedom of speech is inherently our own, and the government cannot take it away (legally, that is).
that IS the definition of “inalienable”…….even Ozero rails about our US Constitution being a document of “negative rights” meaning it is a preventative stopping government action against the citizens……the curl has called for POSITIVE rights where the government is the source of your rights….anything the government can “grant” you, they can also take away from you
And what happens ehen musk finds internal emails, dicussing the FBI,….”request” (?) that they block any mention of hunters laptop, covid vax or 2020 Steal?
Perhaps he’ll give a “heads up” to Pres. Trump &/or his lawyers.
FWIW, Musk’s purchase of Twitter is so far pretty entertaining. I loved the sink. You gots to find your jollies where you can these days.
“Perhaps he’ll give a “heads up” to Pres. Trump &/or his lawyers…”
I’m thinking no to that.
I agree, no to informing Trump. But, the dude just might tell the world.
He’s a .gov employee and a free thinker. Exactly where he and .gov draw the lines is to be determined.
He comes from South Africa. He knows what they did to white farmers in the name of abolishing apartheid toward blacks. He has a strong work ethic. I am sure he despises deadbeats of all types. He is not a communist.
However, he is pro-transhumanism and enabling whatever .gov does with Star Link. I do not think hooking all our appliances up to the Internet is their ultimate goal. But, if that comes, .gov will be able to control whether you can make a pot of coffee in the morning and how much meat you can keep in the freezer. Also, all the electric cars can be stopped by authorities.
“Yoel Roth, the head of site integrity at Twitter, blocked access to an Oct. 14, 2020, New York Post article regarding emails from Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop. Roth told the Federal Elections Commission he blocked the story in part because the intelligence community had briefed him that foreign governments might release hacked materials prior to the election.”
https://freebeacon.com/media/aspen-disinformation-group-includes-twitter-exec-who-censored-hunter-biden-story/
The flag was in error! I can’t seem to undo it! I’m sorry!
if one has a touch screen on their computer and scroll up
and down using their finger, it is easy to accidentally
click on the red flag.
I apologize to anyone I might have red flagged. I
would never red flag anyone as I think everyone has
the right to exercise their opinion as vile as that
opinion might be and I have the right to call them
out or give my own opinion without any of the
red flag nonsense.
I will “Red Flag” anyone talking about murdering or physically assaulting someone they don’t like as that will get The Treehouse shut down.
Same thing applies to anyone talking about destroying property etc. What’s to stop a troll from coming here, talking about doing these things, and shutting The Treehouse down? We need to protect ourselves.
Just for clarity, does that include posts about penalties under the law for crimes committed, and defendants sentenced? That’s not a threat, it’s a description of law and consequences.
Just curious….
No.
You need a sarcasm tag.
I would hope that Mr. Musk meditates deeply on his options in this situation. While I very much enjoy the trolling, what has been going on at Twitter is not amusing. The decent honorable people that are the glue that holds what is left of this benighted country together have been threatened and ridiculed and Twitter has been front and center in destroying the threads that hold this nation together. Added with millions of persons who have zero civic comprehension and are here merely to exploit, the chances of this nation collapsing into very violent warfare is greater than 50-50. The rage that snot-nosed a$$wipes like “Yoel” doles out as if by right is just the type of thing that fuels a new Rwanda.
Let’s not forget Twitter was instrumental in election fraud, Cov2, vacs, mandates, anti-white hatred, and egging on criminality in many ways. They are downright evil and have unjustly inflicted great suffering on the defenseless. Elon should be thinking contrition and begging for forgiveness, a reconciliation committee sound like a great idea.
Twitter caused all that? No certain individuals caused that!!!
Good God, give him some time! As much as they hid from him and us, it’s gonna take a while to re-order it. He’ll be a while digging out all the poison pills left there to blow up in his face…
I’m going to pray for him that he be guided into the right priorities, and some of those might be existential to the apps survival.
Priorities.
I forgot about poison pills. But, even without that my experience working with code for 30+ years and fixing other people’s spaghetti, it will take months to fix the algorithms. So, patience, you will probably be reinstated but maybe not this year.
You left out child porn enablers and instigating BLM/Antifa lootings and riots.
if Twitter was acting on behalf of the government it is constricted the SAME as the government….let us hope the weaklings in SCOTUS hold the US Constitution to still be true
Somebody with standing has to litigate such action (maybe Trump he has lots of legal practice). Then, the Supremes have to agree to hear the case. In general, governments do not usually regulate themselves. Voting is quicker and surer to throw the globalists out everywhere we find them.
FDR was a fan of Positive Rights as are many Biden Obama people.
Really good point you are making here. Thank you.
Freedom of speech is not a “positive right.” It is a liberty, or negative right. It is not provided by the government, and nobody has the right to take it away.
I must disagree with this concept of what is positive or negative.
“Endowed by our Creator” would be part of the gift of life. Free will causing free expression is one part. Inherently it is positive as it promotes prosperity.
Evil is negative on the basis that it is destructive and oppressive of the gift of life.
To say that liberty is negative is to say that humans do not have self control of their free will and must be controlled by some portion of leadership, which historically often did not lead to prosperity.
This is the opposite of the purpose of leadership/ governenance.
In the end, this flipping of positive and negative is an evil psyop.
They are talking positive and negative rights with respect to human laws of which the constitution represents the over arching legal framework and relationships for the US.
At its base, it is one of many rights God endowed man when he breathed life into him. They are not discussing this from a religious or biblical framework.
Everything obama says is wrong for America.
This should be expected from someone raised by communists as a muslim in Indonesia.
This Kenyan POS is 100% antithetical to our republic, as is his racist wife.
Billrla
To continue underscoring things; the government is instituted to proactively DEFEND and PROTECT our inherent Freedoms – a giant step beyond a simple non-interference inference. Hmmm
Correct. We are endowed with this and our other liberties by the Creator, God Almighty, Giver of Life, with Whom the Marxist Globalist Democrats are in a pathetic, tragic war at our expense and disbelief . . . and soon theirs.
Does not apply
I do believe that it’s probably very hard to find people who are tech-educated and business-educated who are also understanding of what “fair” means among the people of the tech generation.
I don’t quite understand what you are saying.
Most real engineers and scientists tend to be disengaged from politics.
Until they get families, homes, start paying taxes… etc..
not the modern ones indoctrinated by today’s Leftist universities……..I used to discuss AGW/CC with my Chem professor (she was in support of the theory)……I pointed out science is turned on its ear when the result is determined before the evidence is obtained
I currently have three grandchildren in college. One, unfortunately,
is leaning left because all her ethnic friends and college professors
have informed her how racist whites are/have been and she feels
guilty to have the largesse her parents provide her. The other two
are males who privately criticize/laugh at all the crazy liberals,
avoid dating any girl who is a liberal and
generally tell whack jobs, professors or not, that they are not
interested in politics. That is to protect themselves from bad grades
or a tirade from a whack job.
The males are wise. No need to give whack jobs an easy target. Graduating and becoming a professional are tough enough without that kind of baggage.
I did not know what the Federal Reserve could do to me until it raised the cost of my first home 2% over a weekend. Since then I have been more aware. Having the internet the end of 2007 helped me get out of dodge before Bernanke had his way with my 401k.
Most engineers in tech avoid politics like the plague. Talking politics on the job can get you fired regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.
when a “private” company acts at the behest of the government it has assumed the defacto position of a government agent and is now subject to the SAME constitutional restrictions as the government itself is
Section 230 protection needs to go bye bye. Section 230 protections for Big Tech need to be eliminated by Congress if we take both houses. Then they need to do the same with Big Pharma & stop their immunity from being sued over the COVID vaxes & Boosters
if section 230 goes bye bye, your speech here will be actionable – you will be able to be sued for what you say here
guarantee you, whatever congress changes re 230, it will be better for big brother and worse for us
better the devil you know
well right now slander and libel are VERY difficult to prove against a “public figure” as you have to show wanton and malicious intent when you engaged in the action
New York Times Co. v. Sullivan IMO has helped damage this country perhaps fatally!
That is a very dubious claim. I am not aware that 230 extends any immunity to online commenters or content producers. Ask Alex Jones.
Not just Covid vaccines but ALL vaccines need to stop having immunity. Vaccines are a cash cow when pharma has immunity to produce without consequence. Pharma even has a part in the approval process through inappropriate relationships with the 3 letter medical agencies. The people have no real protection and doctors risk losing their license if they speak up. Current example is Dr Peter McCullough.
Exactly. They are either publishers or editors not both.
Its worse than that. It is a government granted monopoly that is permitted in violation of law in order to serve corrupt interests. This is not libertarian free market activity, it is corrupt. Corporations should be prosecuted for subversion and the politicians (or other .gov scum) included.
It would take on a new twist if it was discovered that the U.S. Government was directing Twitter employees to censor or delete accounts, no?
But that’s what
s been going on. The WH or CDC or NIAD call Twitter and demand censorship – Twitter obliges.
Wake me when Elon shows that Twiiter had been censoring at the request of government.
So far he is only putting on the show we think we have always believed was true. But a company can do these things if they want to… sort of. Precedent in court established that political bias amounts to an in-kind donation and in order to avoid the FEC, they have to deliver equal time, etc.
But once he displays proof (not that we need more but the public needs to see it) the guidance came from government, that is Twitter violating civil rights as much as those in government has been. Fully impeachable!
I still don’t expect Musk to put government corruption on display.
I fear that he is like our rino politicians – giving the appearance of doing
something and/or stating that they are going to do something and then
doing very little of it when the camera is off.
On principle, I do not trust someone who made much of their money
off the backs of taxpayers.
Alex Berenson is already on it. Discovery via subpoenas to Twitter will show the extent of the Government censorship. He already has Andy Slavitt by the short hairs.
Then you have the AG lawsuit led by Eric Schmitt, which is uncovering the same stealth censorship by Fauci and his crew. Fauci will be deposed.
None of that is dependent on Musk acting. If Agrawal were still there, Twitter might fight producing documents in response to the subpoenas, if only because there must be liability attached to assisting the government deprive citizens of their civil liberties. It may serve Musk to just throw out a the dirt right away to show deception by the C suite and Board in their negotiations.
BTW, both those with a right to speak and those with a right to hear information were deprived- and those who were denied that information may be able to claim real rather than just punitive damages, because witholding life saving information (IVM, the lethality of the jabs) has clearly caused massive loss of life at the statistical level (see @ethicalskeptic on Twitter for all the proof you need about that).
Without getting into causation and forseability around that just yet, let’s see what Musk does.
Elon Musk should be the FIRST one driving a truthful response from Twitter’s legal team.
…” let’s see what Musk does.”
THAT is the best course of action for anyone on the right. Fact is we do not know what Musk intends to do. He makes the right noises, but we just don’t know. Best wait and see than to constantly pontificate.
Especially since he has not enough time to do much of anything. Coding takes time, changing other people’s code takes longer. Before he can assign people to do that he must vet them first. That is one reason he is letting so many go, fewer to vet. He has to establish a hierarchy and a team that he trusts.
He might. He comes from South Africa.
when you bring a snake in and out of the cold and warm it up it will still bite you-it has no appreciation.
And Twitter is a private company. The courts are still debating, but lately private companies have a bit more freedom in denying speech to others.
Twitter may be a private entity however it has become so successful, so dominating IMO it has become a public utility and more or less a monopoly. Yes there alternatives and people keep trying to challenge Twitter but the reality is none of them make much of a dent in Twitter’s sphere of interest. With great power (should) comes great responsibility.
You don’t like governmental meddling? Neither do I but sometimes it is a necessary evil.
What Twitter has been doing is akin to the power company turning off your electricty if it doesn’t like what you say.
The model required by broadcast media should also apply to giants like Twitter and Facebook. For radio and (and this SHOULD apply to TV but doesn’t?) there is this “equal time” detail which comes from court precedent. The idea is that when one side of a campaign or political position is represented exclusively, it is considered to be an “in-kind” donation to the interests of candidates or to a political party.
Twitter and Facebook and others should be held to the SAME standard…. not that a corrupt FEC would bother to enforce such standards.
Does twitter rise to the level of public utility? In my mind, it hasn’t. A public utility suggests that it is necessary for common society to function. Electricity and telephone service certainly qualify under this definition. But is Twitter “necessary?” Some would say so but I live without twitter just fine.
I live just fine w/o twitter as well however a huge segment of the populous does not.
I am long retired but I am told it’s damned near impossible to run a service business nowadays w/o twitter and f’ckbook accounts.
I’d wager most people under 40 have never even seen a phone book or yellow pages in the hand.
I still use paper maps and charts and a yellow highlighter and get where I’m going just fine. LOL
re: “there is this “equal time” detail”
No, sorry, that was done away with back in the Reagan era; How do you think Rush Limbaugh came about? That rule was relaxed …
I disagree. I think it has become a public utility in much the same way as a library is in this country. I have never had Twitter membership, but, I have read many twitter links and in addition, I have read about discussions and information relayed on Twitter without links. We all benefit from free discussions.
The “private” argument was made by slavers to defend slavery. If it didn’t work then, it doesn’t work here.
Also, FJB.
You’re not getting the big picture. Twitter is operating on behalf, and in lieu, of government entities that are bound by the Constitution. They ghost, censor, and silence political and ideological opponents of the left and hide behind being a private company. They Are Not.
Exactly. It is unlikely that the US Supremes will find against the government in this matter, even if they take it on. It took 50 years to overturn Roe vs Wade which should never have been decided at the national level.
Umm. 9 upvotes. I thought free speech was an absolute regardless of political party. A political belief is simply a belief.
See PS’s response.
Not if you were born after 1970, IMHO.
What are you insinuating? Before 1990, there were less than ten so-called independent sources from which one could obtain world-relevant information. “Free speech” has flourished only in the last 30 years; only recently has it been losing ground. Consequently, Boomers–born into and held hostage to a literal media cabal for nearly their entire lives–are the most brainwashed of living generations. GenZero would be maybe, but their programming clearly went too far and turned them all into useless husks.
you are making some mighty large assumptions about boomers
I posit that todays surviving boomers are less brainwashed than the generations that followed
I bet you a higher percentage of boomers were unvaxxxed than any other demographic
grow up
I grew up in a country sixty years ago with strict newspaper censorship and yet this was nowhere as bad as the present situation. We did not have the filth of what was happening in the privacy of certain homes or people bragging about perverse behavior splashed across the front pages. Even careful reporting of questionable government actions was allowed. There was far more proper investigative journalism and far less sensationalism.
I don’t know about that. Boomers watch the nightly news and believe it.
Oh really? I haven’t watch nightly news since Vietnam war.
Remember the definition of the word “assume”
Uh, no. I detest the major networks. I *do* have the Rush Limbaugh program on tape/hard disk back to the Lewinsky days though …
I do not watch the news. I listen to podcasts and read another blog besides this one regularly. I have not gotten my news from television since end of 2007. I do not believe everything I read or hear or see on tv or see in a video.
Boomers are the highest % of jabbers in my family.
Also interesting you tell them to grow up yet you make childish proclamations. I was born in 85 and I’m telling you to grow up yet doing it without painting broad brush strokes as you did.
As a boomer, I want to agree with you, but, the initial focus was on the boomer age group for the jabs before we knew much about the supposed pandemic or the supposed cure. Many of my friends took the jab. However, those free thinkers who are retired were able to avoid the clot shot, while those working have had to make awful choices. So far, my son has been able to avoid it. I am sure he will quit rather than take the jab. Personally, I have more experience disbelieving what doctors say than most. I have chosen operations that I did need and have avoided those I did not need but were highly recommended. Same with medications, which has been a mixed bag. My corticosteroid inhaler has eliminated the need for sinus surgeries, but, not the need for occasional antibiotics.
Boomers last generation to be taught critical thinking making us immune to dis mis or malinformation….lol
Yet more boomers watch MSM more then any other demographic. I was born in 85, and do perfectly fine in my critical thinking skills. Pride cometh before the fall, if you think you and yours are immune.
You are obviously the exception to the rule. Research average SAT and ACT scores if you want a realistic idea of how fast and far the American education system has fallen. I took my SATs and ACTs in 1970 and contacted them for copies and the form I was to use, from CEEB itself, asked if I wanted my scores “CURVED”. I saved the letter from CEEB! The SAT/ACT scores got so bad that the teachers union fought to abandon the SAT/ACT as we knew it.
I may be an exception, but thinking all millennials are leftist scumbags is hardly the rule. Just from my little branch on the tree I’d bet it’s closer to a 60Left/40Right split, and that changes as more millennials have kids, try to buy a house, etc. I’m an old millennial. I have brothers around a decade younger then me that are considered millennials also and are moving from Left to Right. However, we are worlds different. I grew up without a computer, or gaming system. Drank from a water hose, spent my days building forts and exploring, “hunting” with my BB gun, building ramps to ride my bike off of. I’d bet a dollar my younger brothers did none of the above, and grew up with a home computer from about 2nd-3rd grade on
Additionally they had Playstation, and Xbox. But again, they are moving left to right. One of them even moved to Norway thinking it to be a utopia only to find there is no such thing on earth.
Calling you out on your broad brush strokes does not mean we think all millennials are lefties. My son certainly isn’t. His critical thinking skills are better than my own. His wisdom is a bit lacking.
He has been “gaming” since the age of 3, when his dad brought home an Apple and his mom played the level 4 mazes and he paid the level 1 mazes. He was very careful with the floppies. I doubt he has drunk from a garden hose and I know he has not tasted Florida’s sulfur water.
re: “Yet more boomers watch MSM more then any other demographic.”
Reverse that; EVERY other generation gets their news from YAHOO or REDDIT. Them’s not good apples either …
So really no generation is different from the other….no?
See how that works?
re: “So really no generation is different from the other….no?”
The proportion of ‘idiots’ to those with discriminating minds has always been high; maybe you have just made this discovery? My 1 yr younger sister (an RN) has finally been red-pilled by all the nonsense surrounding Covid, for instance. Sometimes it takes this kind of disaster for some ppl to ‘wake up’. Meanwhile I distrusted the media starting for sure in the 1980s … never voted ‘dem’ in my life either, so there is that too. Now I don’t trust ‘medicine’ either, thanks to Anthony Fauci. BTW, my last flu vaccination was Swine flu in 1976, and none since!! Sore throats were always the bane to my existence, and using Cayenne Pepper starting in the mid 1990s solved that …
I am going to have to try that. My cayenne pepper has between 10 and 20 green ones on it.
Even a few taps (or a tap) in Coffee (maybe tea, which I’ve never tried) is good! Cayenne Pepper has changed my life!
I was born well before 1990 and can assure you we had far more than 10 independent sources….but then we did something called reading….all our news did not require an entertainment component for us to seek out what was happening in our world
Right. Reading is the major way to get factually informed.
You show a decided lack of media business knowledge. The last 30 years has seen one media corporation after another gobble each other up, leaving fewer and fewer! Free speech don’t flourish none too good with less and less media competition.
You might be forgetting all about PRINT? My Boomer generation actually read real books, newspapers and magazines and not graphic novels.
If you want an idea of how far our American education system has crashed, I suggest you watch the PBS Ken Burns history of the American Civil War. The average farm boy/citizen soldier could read, write and comprehend the English language far better than your average 21st Century “journalist”. The thousands and thousands of letters written by these “yokels” are all the proof you need. Ken Burns talks about this issue in some readily available online interviews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media
“About 15 billionaires and six corporations own most of the U.S. media outlets. The biggest media conglomerates in America are AT&T, Comcast, The Walt Disney Company, National Amusements (which includes Viacom Inc. and CBS), News Corp and Fox Corporation (which are both owned in part by the Murdochs), Sony, and Hearst Communications.”
That is a big part of the problem. The other part is that Obama signed a law that made it legal for them to propagandize US citizens. Of course, we all believed Walter Conkrite.
re: “The last 30 years has seen one media corporation after another gobble each other up,”
Who cares? I think ‘big media’ is the sh**s. HAVE thought so since way back in Paul Harvey’s days …
1985 here, and I don’t fall in to your broad brush strokes…. I guess I should make some sideways comment about boomers, but I won’t because I know not all boomers are the same.
Then there’s the fact that Musk is defending Twitter’s Head of Safety and Integrity’s integrity when the Head of Safety and Integrity has just admitted that he and his buddies lied to the court.
These Twitter clowns wouldn’t know ‘integrity’ if it was dropped onto their pointed pinheads from a Sikorsky S-64F.
That’s a pretty good strategy by Musk. Find one internal executive level person who wants to tell the truth to stay employed, then use that person to blow the whistle on everyone else. If that person has the documentation that all of the other former execs lied during takeover negotiations and severance packages depended on honesty, that saves Musk millions in payouts
Maybe that’s what he’s doing, or maybe none of it matters because Twatter will go right back to being Flagship of the Minitrue in 6 months anyway. Maybe Musk, just like Trump, acts as a token release valve to ease acceptance of our Fabian Masters much accelerated time table. And just like Trump, maybe Musk is a witting circus performer.
Dismissing President Trump as a “token” anything is the most disparaging and misbegotten slander.
Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.
~David Mamet
That was around long before David Mamet.
If you think President Trump is a “token” anything or a “circus performer” than you have acknowledged your lack of analytic thinking skills. You pulled it off briefly but couldn’t continue your charade for long.
this is not Musk’s first rodeo, not by any means.
remember, he is on the spectrum and those folks are highly detail oriented.
I guarantee you he isn’t paying anyone any severance before the post-acquisition audits are completed
“Those folks”? I’m sorry you factually misunderstand autism. Not every autistic person is “gifted” in any particular way. Many if not most are simply unable to adapt to societal norms and find it impossible to follow them. Attention to detail is a rare trait that isn’t actually a trait common in autism.
It is for Asperger’s which falls in the autism spectrum. At any rate, they have greatly diluted the application of autism in recent days. My first husband has Asperger, detail oriented and brilliant, no empathy. One of my cousin’s was autistic, unable to communicate verbally, ritually dressed himself.
He sometimes spoke and he sometimes interacted with the rest of us children. He lived at home until he set fire to a freeway on ramp. Then, my aunt was forced to put him into a home. Died at 35.
That’s the key to the tweet..
Let’s see if Elon works this out.
And with an arsonist’s glee. “lol” Very funny.
I think all employees should be required to memorize the First Amendment as a condition of employment. Most would quit right there.
And recite every day as if the Pledge of Allegiance.
I would bet 100% of Twitter’s operational staff disagree and therefore disregard the US Constitution in its entirety
What? we always have personal beliefs, the issue is whether you force them on others.
It’s impossible to have faith in the intelligence of a person who doesn’t know what “actual” means, just as many misuse “literally.” STupid people.
In America moderating “Free Speech” sounds wrong.
Not at a corporation you work for. Yes you can be fired for comments degrading your boss or another employee if it’s inappropriate.
That old rule about not talking religion, politics or sex at work comes to mind.
Yoel may be everything Liz claims. But, Musk isn’t going to blast Yoel as he is handing over the goods. Too much at stake to cast out all of the rats at once without knowing where to find the bones quickly.
Agreed.
<…Musk isn’t going to blast Yoel as he is handing over the goods.>
So Yoel is the Mole? 🙂
How would any of us know that? I can only guess why Elon would step up on his behalf if he wasn’t “useful” in some fashion. That was just my conclusion. I could be absolutely wrong.
With the legal wrangling before the purchase Musk was able to draw out the bad actors and figure out who were ally’s
Well Elon, if your fine with being stabbed in the back, keep him on board. Roth has already shown what kind of a man he is.
True…. which is precisely why Musk wants to keep him around… he’s the “whistleblower”.
Musk: “Look, Yoel, here’s the deal, you want $150K severance, you do this and that… if you don’t do that, your cojones will be severed from y0u instead”
Yoel: “yes, please don’t hurt me… I’ll do whatever”
Musk: “Ugh, take the rat away…“
Um, no, just no. Musk is either a fool or he’s conning you with his Smarmiest Man in History act. And well, billionaires aren’t usually fools.
From what is on the internet, Roth is the kind of man who has a husband and thinks there is something he calls gay masculinity.
I’d refer to Richard Grenell as being gay AND masculine. He has more spine and backbone than many straight men.
I totally agree.
That’s the first time I read Twitter and comments in months.
Nothing has changed.
It will take time.
Catturd is back on…and I think some others.
There’s this funny quote from Winston Churchill that I read once years ago, but have not been able to find since. Not sure if I have it right, but it goes something like this: “It’s ok to rat, but you cannot re-rat.”
Roth might be a snitch and a leftist, but he obviously knows who’s paying the bills. Reality does that to some leftists.
Leftists don’t care about paychecks, certainly not ones from supposed anti-Leftists. If anything, Yoel is staying there and getting paid handsomely–by say, Soros, or whomever–to spy on Musk.
Musk is anything but an “anti-leftist”. He has engineered and enjoyed (and benefitted personally from) more government subsidy and support than any other human in all of history. He is the ultimate “leftist”. Oops.
Musk is nobody’s fool. You do not get where he is by playing the fool. He has his ways of figuring out people. He will test them all. He will do it in layers, so, he can keep twitter functioning while he fine tunes his management team. He will probably let his management team deal with vetting the lower level personnel. It will take time.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotes/re-rat/
I have to admit that I’m enjoying Twitters dirty laundry being washed in public…
I’ll cyber-kiss Musk’s dirty African feet if he does just one thing that exposes the collusion of the Minitrue. Hold your breath all you want, but he won’t even turn off the bots. Twatter’s platform (like all stupid, vapid, egomaniacal social media) would vaporize without its hyperinflated, false affirmations.
First impression is that Mr. Roth has turned rat fink on his coworkers in order to retain a position in Twitter, thinking this move will earn blind trust from Mr. Musk. Time will tell, but think rat finks never win in the end. This is going to get very interesting to watch what unfolds.
Yes it is. 😊
Musk wants to make it clear that he supports an intolerant anti USA lying POS .
Way to Go Elon .
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Sounds like Yoel wants to keep his job and is spilling his guts now to Elon.
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twitters biggest problem, relying on the fact they are a private company. THEN FOLLOW THE RULES PEOPLE SIGN AND ACCEPT WHEN THEY SIGN ON. LIKE NO PORNO, NO GANG ACTIVITY, NO DRUGS, etc etc….. dont make up rules, or decide what you think is right. Thats up to the people reading it, like TV….Watch what you want, and dont watch what you dont like, and use the things provided to delete, and block what you dont want your own family watching. DONT TELL OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO WATCH, EVEN THOUGH YOU ALL PAY FOR THE SAME TV DELIVERY, WHETHER ITS CABLE, SAT, STREAMING etc.
Back when cable was only available in mountainous areas where broadcast TV wouldn’t work, and satelites were in there infancy, …
The FCC mandated broadcast tv meet certain “Standards and Practices” because they were leasing access to PUBLIC airwaves.
For instance, they were scrupulous about “equal time” for political candidates, during elections.
If Nixon got 30 seconds on Rowan and Msrtins laugh in, to say “sock it to me”, so did his opponent.
Alas, no mas,..
our friend Ronald Reagan’s F.C.C. struck down the ‘fairness doctrine’
just sayin’
As well he should have. Without Reagan’s action we may not even have a treehouse to play in.
“An actual Nazi” is a bridge too far, Elon, for a guy who says he wants to make Twitter better. The bias Yoel has does not support calling him “high integrity.”
Elon wants him as a friendly witness. He’s seen things and knows the inner workings. That’s my sense.
Well, that is something to chew on!
Musk must need him as a witness and has flipped him. Nice work Elon, drip, drip the internal emails and texts. Would like to see the internal FSA, CIA, FBI hires exposed as well.
Feels like he’s playing a bit of a long game here.
Musk may say he still supports Yoel at 10:04 pm, Oct 30, 2022.
Pending further investigation into what the internal memos reveal, he could be (actually should be) firing Yoel and another bucket of the Twitter employees.
Otherwise, Musk would not have tweeted out the first message with regards to Yoel saying “literally doing what Elon is accusing us of doing”.
He’s setting up Roth’s testimony for court. If Roth has “high integrity,” that means the other side cannot claim that Roth was a liar. Musk mustn’t do anything to belie Roth’s credibility here, or the defense will pounce on it.
Elon is a smart guy. His above statement proves that he’s not against free speech, but perhaps “where” the “quash” of it truly originated, and how.
So what if we’ve “all” made some questionable tweets? Isn’t that the very embodiment of the meaning of free speech? But if you are unable and unwilling to make a distinction here between moderating yourself from “moderating”, censoring, deleting other people’s statements then this is nothing but a farce. A farce to pretend you stand for the freedom to say, associate with anyone, and believe whatever please. Because you don’t protect it against using their power over other people to effectively dehumanize, demonize, enslave, and exterminate them whether that be figuratively or literally like governments are doing right now to those they have the power to govern over.
I can understand that Elon would see Yoel as one of his “employees” that he can still work with. But does anyone out there remember the cautionary tale of leader who couldn’t be a ‘good butcher’ to remove those within his own staff that continued to work against him for four years? Anyone still remember that? Those people see you as their enemy and are totally fine with infiltrating your organization in order to continue their war against you as saboteurs. A Fifth Column as it were because they are literally waging 5th Generation Warfare against all of humanity across the entire planet in order to emplace their sovereign over it all. A war which, by the way, was already foretold its outcome. Now the only question is to which side you’ll be on at the end of it all.
“We’re already in World War 3. We are already in conflict that extends so far beyond Ukraine, actually, even within the context of Western Europe but we’ve clearly been pretty much at war in space, uh below the surface of the oceans, submarine warfare between super powers, uh, I’d even say this has been happening for at least four years, [since 2019] and it’s spilled over into public view on the ground, uh, but we don’t “frame” it that way.” ~ Philippa “Pippa” Malmgren’s statement at the 2022 World Government Summit in Dubai.
A “sovereign” that old King Chuck has no doubt already picked, appointed, and emplaced to carry out that “plan” to which they all trust in . . .
“So, ladies and gentlemen my plea today is for countries to come together to create the environment that enables every sector of industry to take the action required. We know this will take trillions not billions of dollars. We also know that countries, many of whom are burdened by growing levels of debt simply cannot afford to go green. Here we need a vast military-style campaign to marshal the strength of the global private sector with trillions “AT HIS DISPOSAL”, far beyond global GDP, and with the greatest respect beyond even the governments of the world’s leaders. It offers the only real prospect of achieving fundamental economic transition.” ~ Prince Charles, Duke of Edinburgh’s statement on 31 October, 2021 at the 26th United Nations Climate Change Conference of the Parties (COP26) held in Glasgow, Scotland
“When nations get disappointed in their governments, the population will start to clamor for a singular Government that can bring peace and harmony. This will be the moment to enthrone our sovereign.” …Unknown Deep State Harlot advocate of the ‘Great Reset’.
“Don’t let anyone deceive you about this in any way. It will not come until first a ‘falling away’ [Greek: APOSTASIA – to fall away from] and then shall be revealed the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction. . . . And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.” ~ 2 Thessalonians 2.3,6
The ‘Harlot’ is right now being set up to then ‘fall away’. In its place will be ‘reset’ the Beast, the Antichrist, the very embodiment of the great Adversary of all mankind who are the true Son’s of Adam. I hope you are all ready with God for what is about to come upon the earth. If so then God Bless You, and see you on the other side.
Musk agrees that Trump is a Nazi?!
Blind Trump hatred seems like an idiotic belief rather than a political belief. Evidence of stupidity as far as I’m concerned. Why should stupid people be in high positions at your company.
Oh, so it’s all just “questionable tweets” about differing “political beliefs,” huh?
Yeah, right. You just leave that infection to run rampant in your new company, Musk, and see how long it survives.
Right now, Musk benefits from keeping him and extracting all that he knows. What Musk does when the process is finished and he has the former twitterati by the legal short hairs, then, Musk may lose the rat.
I read that he fired those top four executives “for cause”, so that there would be no compensation package.
If he discovers that Twitter lied in their SEC filings, then Twitter is in trouble with the SEC, too.
In trouble like Hunter Biden or like Peter Strozk
If Twitter lied in their SEC filings can Musk go after the execs and the board members with civil lawsuits? I wonder what type of damages he could get after spending $44 billion based on their lies.
$88 B? Double damages? … assuming as all the haters of free speech say … that Twitter is worthless now.
Isn’t Peter Strzok’s wife in charge of SEC enforcement?
The communists have infiltrated almost every major institution in the USA.
Would Melissa be in trouble for dismissing the case?
No Twitter is not in trouble, because the SEC and US Government forced Musk to become Twitter…the trouble would (or should) fall DIRECTLY on the departing the executives. lawyers and financial institutions making the false statements.
Holding Twitter rseponsible at this point is like a plaintiff assuming a dual role as defendant in a legal action.
Could it be that the head of integrity has integrity? What if Musk knew that ?
Integrity, I don’t think so. But he’s delivering the dirty stuff so why not keep him around for a while. Then show him the door.
Maybe Musk found a mole inside the establishment that offered up enough reliable info in advance to make purchasing twitter an interesting adventure.
As the plot thickens.
How early on did Elon and his team come up with strategy? I got whiplash’d by his on/off/on again purchase. Now I’m thinking he saw the opportunity to game the seller’s falsehood into a big payday – the whole Twitter empire for pennies on the dollar. And, with brains like that is why he is tall, handsome and rich whereas I’m, uhh, I’m … Dan.
I like you Dan! Dan the man, from Texas. Texas Dan.
Well, he had to buy it for the agreed upon price, but maybe after these revelations there’s a remedy to overpayment and he & his investors can claw back several billion.
He’s tall and rich but the ladies not liking him for his looks haha
🙄
The truly smart ones inside Twitter saw Musk’s play and decided to switch teams–likely feeding him info to coax him into buying Twitter when Musk got cold feet.
My guess is Musk and his team asked for “proof of life” to determine if the “evidence” of malfeasance they were receiving was reliable. Evidently, the goods were solid.
We shall see.
Dan. You didn’t have to pay for your hairline.
Don’t sell yourself short Dan.!!!
Good on you Dan!
I’m continually amazed by how many people that haven’t accomplished all the much in their lives (me) feel qualified to evaluate those that have (not me).
Life has shoved a LOT of humble pie down my throat and no way am I going to think I can outhink a man who will eventually send people to Mars.
Imagine how much evidence has already been destroyed between Musk announcing, and finally accomplishing, his takeover of Twitter.
[My guess is that the Execs hired Hillary’s BleachBit & Ball-Peen Hammer Server-Demolition & Shredding Crew … with an extra 10% going to The Big Gal.]
The internet is forever. So is the NSA.
Hmm, I actually doubt they could even do such a thing.
Hillary ran a private mafia server, so she got away with it.
Tweeter, a public company, couldn’t do that. They had to have several backups and extensive storage (to protect themselves legally while the company was still public). So, deleting the storage would be extremely difficult and public.
Think of it like this
Hillary had a tactical nuke. She could launch it with two people and they could hide it.
Twitter was sitting on a 12000 warhead stockpile. Launching them would require many people to know about -and agree with- and it would be a very public event.
IMHO, this is partly the reason why Musk froze the software and brought in his own software people from Tesla to do a forensic analysis. Given that Twitter’s “engineering” is all about IT, you can figure out that it was IT that got frozen out so they couldn’t mess around with the “goods”.
That’s also why the CEO, COO and Top Legal were let go ipso facto. They had to be removed from bleach-bit’ing their tracks.
One other thing. Elon and his team will do a real investigation of the Twitter systems and data. They are interested in the facts and truth. The investigators of Hillary’s email servers had no interest in doing a legitimate forensic analysis. They were about covering for Ms. Clinton and the democrats.
Plus you can’t change a company’s culture with the former management team in place.
Depending on where the email servers and backup servers are located, bit bleach is not going to be an option.
Why not just tell us who was paying to keep the unprofitable enterprise from filing Bankruptcy. Lets see the balance sheet.
Let’s just keep watching…. He cant hide from us for long. This might end up like the DeSantis revelation for some so dont get too emotionally attached just yet.
I think it’s the 4th branch of goverment as Sundance explained. Elon Musk “bought” Jack’s magic coffee shop for his masters. All of his money has been made from government money, from EVs to rockets to satellites. All with government support. I think Tesla will be facing huge lawsuits because of the lithium battery conflagrations and dead cars in water and saltwater. Also all the other EV companies. I think the government will bail them out because the Feds pushed EVs.
There are government agencies hovering over the battery fires issue. Melissa at the SEC may get called up, now that Musk has lit up Pelosi.
Got asked by someone noticing Yoel talks a lot of smack and did seem to act on it but he stops at being a publisher I the legal sense. Therefore This looks like future plan : Creator of www has been working on mailbox style social media. Elon is going to try to own it first…You still get junk mail and he’ll make bank on the revenue but you control what you open see and subscribe to. A trip to ‘letters to the editor’ is active choice v. a newsfeed you weed through, pitch the valpak, Shriners labels yep they get $5 etc. Newspapers will be on a virtual driveway rather then intermingled in the public square.
Old boss meets the new boss. Things were getting hot for the current Twitter cabal. Just exchange it for the new cabal.
Almost like what will be allowed for our upcoming elections…maybe with a few outliers.
I think this is probably true about Musk’s acquisition. Soft pedal the blocking and banning and regain the public’s trust. After all, if “Jack’s Magic Shop” was set up to filter people into silos depending on political beliefs that does not work if only one party shows up.
Our elections depend on how many MAGA candidates win. If enough MAGA candidates win, then, MAGA owns the GOP even without Trump. We may find out some RINOs are no longer RINOs, if congress becomes a safe place for MAGA.
If I were Elon Musk in a potential legal battle with Twitter over not buying Twitter … I’d switch tactics (can’t get the evidence from Twitter while outside), buy Twitter, fire them, get all the evidence that was hidden, drag them to court over it, take the execs for all their worth, and force them to adjust the buyout price down to what it should have been.
It’s something to do.
Looks like that’s exactly what he is doing.
Agwal would probably not get his 34mil golden parachute after all. Karma.
Tika Masala (British origin!).
It does take some serious cojones to fire the CEO, COO and Top Legal “for cause”.
Most wimps would just follow their laywers’ advice and buy them out, bury them with the paperwork.
Not Musk though. Bravo. Fire them he did. If they sue back, well, it’s Discovery Time Baby…
Take away their B-1 Visas and deport them back to their mother country. Enough of the invasion of our High Tech companies.
Indians operate their caste system here and discriminate once in manager positions as well…..they permeate areas of tech once they are given the ability to “hire their own” and it is essentially the same as bond servitude from years past when we were colonizing this continent….once they are approved for their H-1B visa, it is for THAT employer for a 3-year term with a renewable 3-year extension followed by a near automatic issuing of a “green card” as a resident alien….if they for whatever reason leave the employ of THAT company then the whole process starts again at the beginning
the LIE they have been telling for at least 20 years that I know of is about a “shortage of stem workers” to justify their using the H-1B visa program to bring in CHEAPER workers…..US colleges graduate more than TWICE as many people as there are annual openings in the tech industry and less than 24% of STEM graduates work IN their degree field…….I have not heard of any publicized of late but you used to hear several a year of US workers being replaced by H-1B visa workers and they have to train their replacements…this is not legally allowed under the program as it only issues a visa when there is NO US worker available for the position….they used to get around this by advertising in the classified in obscure locations so they would get no responses
Yes, companies have been doing this since at least the late 1980s. It has always been about cheaper labor not more skilled labor.
Boeing is paying big bucks for laying off their skilled software engineers and hiring cheap Indians.
Being the savvy business man that he is, Elon Musk no doubt recognizes value in keeping the Head of Twitter…Integrity around for awhile. Mr. Musk no doubt also recognizes the oxymoronic character of that job title.
Yoel Roth —
Should read “Head of Safety with absolutely NO Integrity.”
YoYoel the bobo…
Elon’s goal is to go after the Officers and Directors, and their law firms; these are truly deep pockets that will enable Elon to claw back at least some portion of the excessively rich purchase price. Keep in mind that fraud claims negate their D&O and malpractice insurance. If the evidence is bad enough, SEC and criminal charges may also be brought, though not likely unless Trump regains the Presidency.
This. Some commenters don’t know or forgot that the officers and directors did not own Twitter per se, only as shareholders. The money Elon and other investors put up went to all shareholders, and there is no way to get any portion of it back, even if the company, i.e. its board, management and law firms, lied to the buyers.
Shareholders of…the US Gubmint surveillance platform known as Twitter?
This is so eff’d up…
I reckon I upvoted my own comment by stupid clicking around the icon and there is no way to reverse it. There were 3 “Guest” upvotes.
Not exactly so. There are a number of avenues for Elon to pursue if fraud is shown. Please check the securities laws. To the extent any Officer or Director committed fraud during the negotiation and sale process, there are three potential parties who can pursue fraud claims: the buyer (Musk and his group), the SEC, and the federal government. Twitter was a publicly traded company, and any sale or purchase of its stock was highly regulated. While of course the D’s and O’s didn’t own the bulk of Twitter stock, they certainly owned or had rights to substantial numbers of shares. Since they were also in control of the release of information to the buyer, the potential remedies if fraud is proved are several, including possibly un-winding the deal (not very likely), or more likely damages and disgorgement of profits against the D’s, O’s, as well as malpractice and special SEC damages against their lawyers and accountants who are “registered” with the SEC and subject to strict scrutiny. Certainly there is at least $1 bil to chase from those players.
Thanks for the details. I realized my brief comment did not make clear what I meant. I do know there are major liabilities for the board, management or law firms if they misrepresented their filings and disclosures, and money could be recovered from them. I just think it is highly unlikely if not quite impossible*) to get any part of the purchase price back from “other” former shareholders, even though the board was elected by them and did represent all of them. Is that correct?
*) I do know that just about anything is possible when politics gets involved, like stripping money/ownership from a car company creditors, etc.
I would think it could allow him to avoid severance and golden handcuffs for any employee involved in misrepresentations.
Tweeter still has issues:
BREAKING: Viva Frei locked out of Twitter after raising questions about Pelosi attack
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-viva-frei-locked-out-of-twitter-after-raising-questions-about-pelosi-attack
YouTube commentator Viva Frei has been locked out of his Twitter account for responding to a thread from Media Matters’ Matt Gertz on the spread of a “conspiracy theory” surrounding the bizarre circumstances of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, being attacked Friday morning.
I don’t think Musk has a clue to how bad the censorship is.
He said he would leave the existing system in place, for now IIRC.
He has to. It takes time to modify other people’s code. You have to learn their code first, which is kind of like learning how somebody else thinks. This can be difficult if they are spaghetti thinkers or easy if they are concise and logical. Worse, you can have multiple people’s thinking involved, which would be the case with Twitter. When it is multiple people, it is almost always spaghetti in whole or part. Once you’ve mastered this, then, you can change it. Because it is a public facing platform, they may do some testing in-house before a public release as well. If they forego testing, then, the public gets to debug it. Fun times.
A complete and total outrage. Twitter business as usual
Impatient much.
LOL…pesky algorithms still active!
Boy Elon found that little tidbit pretty quickly.
Makes you wonder what else he knows about.
I’m curious how these wackos get “PhDs”. I mean his really is “piled higher and deeper”.
Things like “PhDs” etc.. these days are not even remotely close to the status they meant back when people with a PhD’s really were educated appropriately .
These days they hand them out like Halloween candy as long as you’re a compliant liberal .
I was a non-traditional college student graduating about a decade ago and they now require ALL students to take sociology/humanities classes to “round out” their education…..I was not impressed with the PhDs on this side of the road and even some of the STEM PhDs were questionable…….they try to wander onto topics beyond their field of “expertise” and if you engage them in spirited debate with facts they tend to crumble the assault since they have no true defense against the truth…..did the same to a couple “guest speakers” in Q & A trying to pander their propaganda in front of over a hundred students……….I do not know if I changed any minds but at least they were able to hear a cogent delivery of the other side of the argument
This is true of most scholastic achievements these days from high school to graduate school, there has been significant grade inflation. I had one interviewer tell me as much. So, the employers know.
You seem to be taking Musk’s statements at face value and not questioning the deep state aspect of Twitter, which you described in great detail last April. What’s changed?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/17/jacks-magic-coffee-shop/
Elon is playing with fire, lol
The main stream media NEVER EVER TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING . They alter , delete , edit , omit and add wording to fit their narratives 100% of the time and have been doing that for decades .
A small example of main stream media sources below , all listed names are guilty of it and can NEVER be trusted.
Cnn, Msnbc, Abc, Cbs, Nbc, HuffPost, NYT, WashPost, The AP, BuzzFeed, Politico, NewsWeek, The Hill, Rolling Stone, Twitter , Sky News, Mediate, The Atlantic, USA Today, Time magazine, LA Times, Politifact, Reuters, Facebook , BBC, Wikipedia, Boston Globe, Vox, The Miami Herald, Mother Jones, Instagram, Factcheck .or, HLN , Yahoo, MSN, NY Daily News, Vice, Univision, People magazine, PBS, NPR, New Yorker, Wall Street Journal, Daily Beast, Bloomberg, Aurn, National Journal, BI ,
It’s very very very difficult to find factual information these days since all search engines only link to propaganda sources .
Try searching for political info on Google and other main stream search engines for instance , the ONLY links they will show you are from the above sources . Twitter and Facebook will also ONLY link to the above sources .
99.9% of all factcheckers are liberal owned and funded as well and their sole purpose is to confirm the lies that the above sources report . It fools a lot of people because they truly believe factcheckers are legit factcheckers but nothing could be further from the truth .
By far the best way to know with 100% certainty what’s factual info is to seek out what the above listed sources insist is disinformation because what they claim is disinformation and not trustworthy is ALWAYS 100% trustworthy .
What the above sources promote as real news IS NEVER EVER real news .
“The main stream media NEVER EVER TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING . They alter , delete , edit , omit and add wording to fit their narratives 100% of the time and have been doing that for decades .”
These people would make excellent FBI Agents!
Most media uses Associated Press or Reuters as their source. I think there is a third one. They can’t all afford their own reporters for all news everywhere. That is what has made Alex Jones, Veritas and now Bannon so successful. They hire their own reporters for stories. Alex trained a lot of young people. Bannon has some of his own and shares his platform with some other stellar bloggers/podcasters with their own niches. Bannon sends his own reporters to different states to report on the election front, if I recall correctly he only employs one internationally in England. He found someone else to speak on the Brazilian election. He does not have any Ukrainians. It takes a lot of money to support a full international team, so, they must rely on AP, Reuters and whatever foreign internet sites they trust.
Heh, heh
This is going to be fun, anyway
It’s means bureaucracy.
Dictatorial oversight.
And how much coding does it take for a simple and not exactly new system like twitter is?
Back in my programming days, we would have used tables that would require manual input to add new keywords to cause bans and Twitter usernames to shadow ban, etc.
They would need a censorship team, but it’s not coding, it’s data entry.
Their programmers were probably spending their time building interfaces to various intel agencies and data extract programs to supply those organizations or building some “domestic terrorist” databases.
Surveillance and censorship. But that wouldn’t take a very large team at this point in the game.
Names are too easy to change. I.P. Addresses, however, are static….
You are assuming Jack hired some excellent professionals to set this system up. My bet is he hired whoever could do it quick and dirty. It is more likely a bunch of spaghetti code that Musk’s team has to wade through.
How many Coders does it take to change a light bulb?
None, they wouldn’t know how to do it.
FWIW, posting this article got me taken off Twitter without explaination right before the (stolen) 2020 election. Two years later it’s still true and I’ve yet to get an explanation (great read by the way…)
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Joe Biden’s Boosters Wrote His Prodigal Son’s Entire Resume
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/10/16/joe_bidens_boosters_wrote_his_prodigal_sons_entire_resume_125616.html
The big stakes here is precisely, “What Sundance has alleged about his coffee shop analog.”
That question very much implies a cost benefit ratio.
Just what cost benefit ratio implies a benefit that bleeds billions of dollars.
I highly suspect the cost benefit ratio is very much dependant on an ability to project a sum total appearance more than the demographic whole.
Everyone here should know a basic fact on my expertise.
I wrote one on the first social media bots to tabulate social media commentary into a database back in the time of yahoo’s geocities forums. I am talking the mid nineties.
I would go one step further in background to another ten years earlier where I was afforded an interview with those trying to ascertain if I had an ability to progress Reagan’s ‘Star Wars’.
Just saying. I am more of insider than the 99% of population that actually signed on to ‘the company’ endeavours.
One of my geocities commentaries / argumentations in those days was, “Bombs planted.”
You don’t want me before any court explaining my contextual meaning.
Just saying, I would in defense argue the government MUST produce my entire record under the psuedo nome of Publius36.
Everything and everything I wrote, I fully stand behind.
Just how many people can state… Things they wrote nearly thirty years ago still stands the test of context of Time.
Boom!!!
That is a person of interest outside of actual employment. A person of focused interest knowing technology was and was about change the dynamics of state craft.
I once had a debate with a 21 year-old in 1997 for which my intern thought that the internet would never be regulated. I rolled my eyes.
And then I gave him a piece of my mind about everything else that the Gubmint tries to regulate. Starting with dog collars and boats.
used to tell classmates in college “Because you agree with the crowd does not mean you are right, because you stand alone in your position does not mean you are wrong.”
This is why I didn’t have many friends in college, professors didn’t want to debate me (I brought receipts), and why I ultimately “failed” my criminal justice class in college. I wasn’t woke enough (around 2005), and it was taboo then to point out that roughly 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent offenses in this country.
Yes, that’s one thing I wish my millennial son understood. He has been indoctrinated. He thinks poor folk of all ethnicities are all the same. I started school in the 60s in Mississippi with poor folk that were different from the poor folk that were my grandparents.
Sound, fury, nothing.
Twitter.
Free discovery, and this will make any judges look like jackasses.
…but. but, but,
( per media miss focus)
we plebes are supposed to be discussing a supposed hammer,
not discussing:
-t w I t censors
– illegal immigrations
– inflation,
– under supply issues
– wrongful coercing mandate$
– questioning cdc
– over spending
– double standard just us
– election fraud – with little consequence,
– a detonated undersea energy pipeline ( people know by whom, )
but…( sarcasm alert )
you know…as plebes, deplorables etc…
we are to be preelection distracted and talk about some hammer ( via unsmart mass formation psychosis via a repetitive media miss narrative – while
we – with nefarious help of a media, we are to ignore. pre-election timing –
a plethora of miss created , self created, problems)?
Imho. ( look at the proof )
I do not know
Love thy neighbors
It’s worth talking about the hammer to:
Expose the double standard of law enforcement towards an elite
Double standard of “news” organizations towards an elite
Foibles, peccadilloes and sleazy behavior of the elites
Pushing back at “authorities” regarding the BS they feed us and expect us to take literally
While many may get lost in the weeds, many others are capable of multitasking and keeping more than one “news” story in mind
I think they made a mistake pushing the MAGA angle. They should have just let it slide by as a homeless break in and they could have slithered away with reputations intact. As it is, they opened a can of worms. If Paul drove DePape home from the club after drinking a month after his serious injury DUI, he deserves more serious legal consequences. If a third person notified police and let them in, then, was that third person underage? DePape may have been both pimp and prostitute.
Except that . . . ironically . . . many of the topics “the media focus” wants you to be talking about you can’t talk about on Twitter (not that I care).
You are correct, but this time around I wonder if it matters?
Haven’t voters pretty much already determined their vote??
I find the Musk/twitter and Pelosi/gay stories welcome relief from the heaviness of war in Ukraine, Powell’s demolition of stocks AND bonds, Biden energy policy demolishing our economy, the clot shot adverse reactions and statistical death and disability increases. I laugh at both. I do not think anyone important will go back to twitter. Most/many have migrated.
I think most people already know how they are voting.
So, Yoel wasn’t yodeling, nor was anyone else inside of The Caged Bird.
Elon Musk is on it and probably has known about all of this…as does PDJT, since he advised Elon to ‘buy’ Twitter.
Liz Wheeler KNOWS and can’t stand the guy…I cannot wait to see the sit com/mini-series/murder mystery.
If any of this goes to court, where will a fair hearing be possible?
Small town America?
Fools… in their hubris they forgot that the Company keeps those emails and text messages.
It’s not like Hillary is gonna come in and save their bacon by wiping the servers…
Musk is just another foil–controlled opposition–a timely tube of lube for the rectal ramming Lady Liberty is about to receive on Nov 8. Trump’s carpetbagging was at least halfway believable. I don’t understand why everyone can’t see through Elon’s sloppy shtick. And the people who buy his stupid toy cars …geez! It’s like they’re doubling down to stave off the effects of the red pills they keep ingesting by accident.
Musk is finding all those little fool’s gold nuggets inside the Twitter “treasure” chest. He’s going to air the dirty rags, one by one.
Time to pop some 🍿 …
I hope that Trump is taking notes on how to flip the script on hostile, unloyal employees and the security state.
Twitter, CIA, intelligence agencies, what’s the difference? Scum.
#PelosiGayLover is trending on Twitter. It truly is a new day
Pelosi was getting “hammered” in both ways.
I’m confused, as usual.
How is it known that this yoel roth character willingly provided this information?
The actions of Musk will show if the new Twitter is simply the old dog washed and groomed to look outwardly respectable but inwardly still the same animal, a dog you will not allow anywhere near your children and have to keep on a short leash.
Depends on if he shadow bans. There are a lot of nefarious things you can do in software that are not visible and take a long time for a user, especially a novice to discern.
When you turnover a rock in a sewer you will always find something even more disgusting.
I pray this begins a season of exposition of our leaders who have been cloaking their narcissism and pathology behind the propaganda media and “LE” (you know who). I would relish seeing the internals of the J6 committee with each other and their media allies.
I keep thinking about all the “internals” that need to be purge regarding J6 before the Republicans take back the House next week. They got 2 months of lane duck majority power and they are going to need a lot of hammers and bleach bit to get it done before the beginning of the year.
What many do not understand is Elon’s work ethic.
This ex-Twitter team did a job on Musk and he knows it. He will find it.
I have t heard James Baker being named as fired yet.
A lot of FBI folks working now for Twitter.
Clean up crew?
Sounds like the old Twitter exec.s need some help from biden’s weaponized DOJ/FBI. An active investigation to seize and take possession of all internal communications and then bury it under the auspices of an “active investigation”. Yup sounds about par for the course. Gotta protect all their leftist communist comrades.
“One thing ideological leftists are known for, is making legal mistakes in their thirst to retain influence.”
Leftists don’t care about operating lawfully because they know that a crooked judge will let them off the hook.
“Leftists don’t care about operating lawfully because they know that a crooked judge will let them off the hook.”
Or in Criminal Cases just have the DOJ and/or local Soros bought DA’s don’t bring charges or slow walk and subvert any cases they do bring.
Would be sweet if Musk could claw back 30% of the sales price in Court..
And even more sweet if certain high-up twit executives could be held liable in criminal Court in a couple of years after Trump finally drains the DOJ/FBI swamp post 2024.
Yoel is a gay male. Which explains why he hates Trump and all things conservative. If his past is prologue I wouldn’t keep him employed.
Just like Rick Grenell?
The fraud needs to be exposed – Twitter was publicly traded till just a few days ago. If there is fraud, crimes were committed and Twitter management needs to be held to account by the SEC/ DOJ and IRS.
Musk us spreading through Stink that is Democrats.
The layers of criminality go deep on this one, not counting the hidden corruption within the backstory.
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I’m interested in as has been stated here by SD that the servers are ran by government..
If that’s true why would Elon not exposé that?
I was listening to Leo Laporte on my radio .
He said twitter very seldom made any money.
Musk tried to get out of the deal and
Laporte predicted Musk will make twitter a publicly traded company within 2 years time.
Musk will lose a lot of money from the deal.
Just as I have always thought, there was no “integrity” at Twitter just totalitarian rule and censorship of all but the approved ideas. This is how China, Cuba, Russia and North Korea operate.
Will Ye and Kyrie Irving be weighing on Yoel Roth and his tweets?
From the Gp
Obvious what Elon is doing: All the executives were fired FOR CAUSE so he can circle round and sue them personally for their criminal acts misleading Twitter investors. All of the board directors are insured, so the insurance companies will pay up to the maximum amount of insurance. Fired Twitter execs will NEVER see a Penny of their severance pay – more over, when Elon proves malfeasance they will be PERSONALLY LIABLE for any amount above the amount of Board Insurance the company has. “Force me to buy your company, I will bankrupt you individually.” Beautiful.
Q: If they are not American Citizens, can they leave and not return to face legal challenges??
Twitter Reportedly Planning to Charge $20 per Month for Verification, Even For Those Already Verified
https://www.ign.com/articles/twitter-reportedly-planning-to-charge-20-per-month-for-verification-even-for-those-already-verified
We should pay for even basic app services too, and in return be able to own our data.
Unless we pay for apps and app services, it is our information and privacy that are bought and sold.
When an app becomes a government protected monopoly like Twitter, or a government protected platform like Android and iOS, we are paying for them with our taxes and our liberties.
They make legal mistakes because they never expect to get caught.