Late yesterday the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) filed another motion in federal court urging Judge Cannon not to allow the special master to review documents they alone determine to be “classified.” [pdf of motion Here]
The DOJ-NSD, officially the Trump targeting division, is frantic that an outside reviewer would be granted access to oversee the DOJ/IC unilateral determinations of the documents, even if…. [watch the goal posts moving now]… those documents were previously declassified by President Trump.
Yes, even if the documents were declassified (they were), the DOJ is apoplectic that someone would be allowed to see them. Their reason?… “sources and methods” might be exposed.
The DOJ-NSD is claiming the Intelligence Community (IC) is the real authority here, not the President of the United States. It is a rather remarkable position to take.
You might even find yourself wondering by what constitutional authority does anyone in the IC bureaucracy determine whether a president’s declassification of documents was legit? The President has the power to declassify; however, according to the position of the DOJ-NSD, the president must defer to them. :::spit::: Hopefully Judge Cannon sees this for what it is.
However, all of that said, the serendipitous revelation of the FBI hiring Christopher Steele’s source, Igor Danchenko, as a Confidential Human Source (CHS) for three years (March 2017 through Oct 2020) helps to explain the current level of the DOJ-NSD apoplexy, in this motion.
Danchenko was labeled by the corrupt FBI as a Confidential Human Source specifically to shield him (and them) from scrutiny that could be applied by any oversight or inquiry. In essence Danchenko became shielded by the same “sources and methods” scheme the DOJ-NSD is now worried about retaining in the Mar-a-Lago documents.
As the DOJ-NSD now moves the goal posts to say, ‘yeah, so what if Trump declassified the documents – we still don’t like it, and he might reveal our sources and methods,’ we begin to get a more fulsome perspective on the reason for the Mar-a-Lago raid.
President Trump declassified the documents showing the corrupt DOJ and FBI targeting operation of him. The corrupt DOJ and FBI went and took back the evidence against them in the Mar-a-Lago raid and now says no one should be allowed to see it.
Everything is becoming increasingly transparent.
Overlay the Durham probe and you discover, the govt people responsible for illegally targeting Trump are the same govt people responsible for investigating the illegal Trump targeting.
We keep watching….
So Lawfare (that’s who runs the DOJ, right?) wants to separate out 100 classified documents because sources and methods. The President was cleared to read them, and presumably Dearie the FISC judge is cleared to read them, but Lawfare really really really doesn’t want them managed by Dearie. Hmmm.
And the records Lawfare is so desperate to keep their hands on are “at the center of an ongoing criminal and national security investigation”, records that were were created prior to Trump’s departure from the White House in Jan 2021 and it’s now Sep 2022.
Trump wants all personal records removed from Lawfare’s control and he doesn’t want Lawfare to do the sorting, that’s what the Special Master has been tasked to do.
Lawfare says even if Trump did declassify the documents he doesn’t have a right to keep them. But according to what I read there is no time limit to provide records to the National Archives. Barry Obama kept his for years, I think there are still lots of documents in the old furniture store ware house that haven’t been processed yet and he’s been out of office for more than 5 years now.
He may not have a right to keep them, but there are no criminal statutes if he keeps them as long as he wants while negotiating with the NA.
Didn’t Obama take 90,000 documents?
And of course they perfectly well know that the PRA says that The President™ has an absolute “right to keep them,” whether they are classified or not. (Plenty of “Presidential Records” remain classified.)
No – this is not what they’re worried about. As we all know, they have a particular interest in particular documents, the enumeration of which they do not wish to disclose because it would starkly reveal their crimes.
And yet: “this is why the Judicial Office of Special Master was created.”
Trump has so much dirt on them and they are stupid enough to think he doesn’t have an archive of his own somewhere.
If Obama can promise he will digitize his own records and never has, the FBI (if they were honest) would raid his warehouse.
The irony is oozing out of government agencies and revealing the hypocrisy(. Hopefully more normies will wake up from their trance, they won’t!
Many more people than humans will consider have made their Final Determination for THEMSELVES LOOONG before they come to their last crossroads or the Point of No Return, Either or Both.
They no longer even notice the road signs and warning lights.
It’s not hypocrisy, it’s hierarchy.
John F. Kennedy.
Doj/NSD claims protection of “sources and methods” uh huh… and if those sources and methods were illegally used ??? trust them??? there are fatal flaws in this “system” that lead only to one place.
Not quite. The covering executive order states that classification can not be used to cover (pun intended) illegal activity (not the exact verbiage, but the substance).
Bubba still has his!
Please jump in, the way I’ve read all of this is this. Trump left office and declassed the very incriminating docs relating to FBI/DOJ mega corruption. FBI/DOJ said no way they would agree to the declass. Tough shit, they had no “standing” President has all the authority. Now the problem is this. How corrupt is the system? The docs they want expose themselves as seditious conspirators. They have to hope a judge will agree. My guess is they already destroyed whatever they think would be damning. But it will be scorched earth. They can never let the public see the level of fraud and deceit that makes up “our” government.
Too late now.
Oh, I am sure they have been delighted to burn the COPIES they find that are of interest to them.
But these people have NO innate cleverness or foresight in all their beings.
Trump is a very intelligent man, and those who know of his most significant speech know that a WISE MAN would have made very particular arrangements before sitting down to THAT microphone, that fateful day. Yet Strangely in all these 60 years, His Life Insurance Policy has NOT Surfaced.
Trump is No Fool.
But he is perfectly capable of being a very intelligent Huckleberry.
do “documents and files” ever really disappear??? Some might hope so.
Well in this filing Lawfare (posing as the DOJ) claims that Trump didn’t actually declassify the docs, and there are 100 that Lawfare doesn’t want the Special Master to handle even though the Special Master is a FISC judge who probably routinely sees sensitive material. I think it’s a punt by Lawfare.
And if we had real news reporting, it would never have been an issue. The moment Trump declassified it would have hit the airwaves, and all the well laid plans would fall like ash. Instead they hide it all, looking at you fox.
Thats why John Soloman kept on saying he declassified everything and it was coming out soon, until he realized NARA would never release then. I feel sorry for John
Trump wrote NARA telling them that he authorized John and Kash to access his records. NARA is playing to ends against the middle. I see an ass biting coming.
So after all the whooping and hollering about classified documents, which was the sole reason the FBI goon squad was unleashed on Mar-a-Lago, the DOJ is now suddenly claiming that whether or not the documents actually were classified is irrelevant.
When the DOJ doesn’t trust a court appointed Special Master?
So why should we?
They’re declassified documents. Just release them to the voters and let US decide!
Sundance, thank you for your VERY appropriate comment, and I quote, “…spit….”! MUCH appreciated.
I guess the doj-nsd will have an unexplained fire and then fall and have a concussion…… wait, has that already been used?
Oh well, they don’t care.
They could ask the Dems in Fulton County for a few suggestions should their prepared ideas fail. I’m certain they have many looming.😡
This just never ends. How about the true Patriots of this Great Country just revoke our consent to be governed? I can take care of my family without the government. Who’s with me?
Who is paying for this lawfare? There must be a money trail! Brookings, Atlantic Council, Lincoln Project.. Danchenko worked for Brookings. Steele and Dossier paid by Clinton’s Perkins Coie as opp research. Who keeps these lawfare goons funded? Lincoln project’s George Conway works for Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen and Katz same firm as was Laura Arnold wife to billionaire John Arnold. Arnold Ventures is responsible for rank choice voting, no cash bail, reform alliance, etc
Hewlett Foundation 350k for lawfare blog. 05/07/2020
A grant to the Lawfare Institute will support its efforts to foster an objective, fact-based, and public debate on issues at the intersection of national security and the law, including on pressing cybersecurity policy issues. It will help Lawfare to further inform policymaking and engage more experts and the public in the complexities of hard national security choices on a wide array of topics, from cybersecurity to pandemic response.
Hewlett – who backed Carli Fiorina – who loves the BEST, Most Wonderful civilization the World has Ever Known – Iran, and is a Protege of McCain and is Proud to serve alongside the Father and Mother Architects of the North American Union.
Good to point out that George Conway Lincoln Project is currently running ads in favor of liberal Biden puppet Mark Kelly for Senate in Arizona. While his wife shows her fake face all over Fox News supposedly supporting Conservatives.
Part 1 – July 31st, 2016
Patel makes it clear that Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok knew — before Crossfire Hurricane was opened in July 31st, 2016— that the Trump-Russia story was full of lies paid for by the DNC and Hillary’s campaign.
Peter Strzok wrote the July 31st, 2016, “Electronic Communication” that originated FBI operation “Crossfire Hurricane.” Strzok immediately used that EC to travel to London to debrief allied intelligence officials.
Part 1.1 – July 2016
John Brennan warning President Obama in July 2016 that the Clinton campaign was effectively fabricating a Russia-Trump conspiracy theory.
Part 2 – October 2016
Danchenko was Christopher Steele’s primary source for information he put into his “dossier”. The DOJ-NSD and FBI used the Steele Dossier in lieu of a valid ‘wood’s file’ to support the FISA surveillance and search warrant application against Carter Page. The title-1 warrant gave the DOJ-NSD and FBI the ability to conduct surveillance over Donald Trump as a candidate and as a President. The warrant was issued in October 2016 and renewed thrice in 2017 (Jan, April, June).
Part 3 – October 2016
President Barack Obama speaks alongside Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson (R) following the Presidential Daily Briefing in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, DC, October 7, 2016.
President Barack Obama approved a statement by the U.S. intelligence community in October 2016 accusing Russia of stealing emails from the Democratic National Committee (DNC), despite the U.S. government not having obtained the DNC server images crucial to ascertaining whether Moscow was involved in the theft.
Part 4 – October 2016
That FISA warrant application, which was granted in October 2016 and thus allowed FBI surveillance against Page. Note: Carter Page worked for the FBI as a confidential informant.
Part 5 – January 2017
According to his attorneys, Danchenko told the FBI that the entire Steele Dossier was a hoax back in January 2017.
Part 6 – June, July 2017
In June and July 2017, Strzok worked on Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel investigation. Note: assumption, whatever Strzok knew, Mueller knew at this point
Part 7 – June 15, 2017
From the latest court filing by Special Counsel John Durham, we learn that Robert Mueller’s FBI investigators interviewed Christopher Steele’s primary source, Igor Danchenko, on June 15, 2017.
Note: It seems both Igor Danchenko and Peter Strzok had the same objective.
The FBI knows the information is crap, yet the FBI still used the dossier to get the first renewal of the FISA warrant (January 2017). The original application (Oct. ’16) and the first renewal (Jan. ’17) are word-for-word and page-for-page identical. The FBI and DOJ added nothing; they simply re-filed the exact same documents for the warrant renewal.
Danchenko provided the “dossier” report contents 2016/080 for Steele, allegedly, no later than 20 June 2019. From Durham’s filing: the Government anticipates that Mr. Dolan will testify that (1) it was he and Mr. Kupka who attended a lunch with the Ritz-Carlton general manager and other hotel staff during the June 2016 Moscow trip and that [Danchenko] was not present, and (2) neither Donald Trump nor his purported sexual practices were ever discussed at that lunch. Further, the Government also anticipates that Mr. Dolan will testify that Ritz-Carlton hotel staff did, in fact, provide the aforementioned tour of the presidential suite as part of the June 2016 trip and that, again, Donald Trump and his purported sexual practices were not discussed during that tour.”
So who initially had knowledge of Dolan’s Moscow trip and with whom Dolan had met at the Ritz Carlton, initiating Danchenko’s later contact? I am waiting to see how many more members of the Center for the National Interest turn up in relation to this (Fiona Hill, Sergey Kislyak, Maria Butina, Stefan Halper).
–“The original application (Oct. ’16) and the first renewal (Jan. ’17) are word-for-word and page-for-page identical. The FBI and DOJ added nothing; they simply re-filed the exact same documents for the warrant renewal.”–
And my understanding is that is not suppose to happen. In order to get a renewal/extension they must show further information/results/cause, but they did not. And that is where the FISA Court is complicit as the judge should have not renewed without that. And a good/competent judge should have noticed that the Wood’s Procedure was not followed, which is also required, on both the original and renewal application.
Dear Father, most High I pray a hedge around Judge Aileen Cannon that she may be kept safe throughout her life from the evil ones pushing against her. I pray that she be given Godly wisdom and strength for like Esther she was born for a time such as this. I pray that as the Egyptians were controlled by you, oh Almighty One, to hand over their gold and jewels at the time of the exodus so that these items were used for your glory in your temple and on the priestly garments, this same control comes over these judges to bring glory to you through the protection of this nation, which was born under you, oh Father and Lord of the earth. In Jesus’ name, this prayer is proclaimed. Let the Arch Angel Michael carry it to you swiftly that your will may be done and let us accept your will and your just judgements in this time. Amen
I recall a document posted on this website not long ago, of a Memorandum from the White House Chief of Staff, in January 2021, that speaks of a large swath of documents being “declassified” by President Trump. That memo states that even though he acknowledges no obligation to do so, Trump wants the DoJ to review the declassified documents to assure no one’s privacy rights would be violated by releasing them. Obviously DoJ did NOT rush out and review said docs, redact a few names, and release them for the edification of a free people. They hid them.
Does it not seem likely that the Mar-a-Lago raid and resulting legal brouhaha involves many of the documents addressed in that Memo? The poor DoJ-FBI has had only 19 months to review the group of docs of which the recent seizures are copies of a subset. If they have not already reviewed every bit of this material, they are derelict in their duty. Let’s hope the Trump legal team informs the Special Master to be on the lookout for this.
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-declassification-certain-materials-related-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/
Thanks. A statement directly by the President is better than the Chief of Staff Memo I saw, but covers the same topic. The Special Master will need to memorize it.
What kind of complete and utter wanker does one have to be in order to work for these agencies.
Ewwwww, c’mon man, I’m eating here !
Skanky.
nothing a good neck breaking would not help
Demonic.
Worms
There are a few people that know, that some of their “sources and methods” amount to nothing more than a strip-mall gypsie reading tarot cards, ( for lack of a better phrase ) that’s why they get so much bad information on so many different levels, yet they hold on to their “sources and methods” because occassionally it’s correct.
This is one thing they will never publicly admit and want to keep secret until the end of time. They could care less about the information, just how the information is obtained.
They’re doing stuff they shouldn’t be doing.
I’m not joking or being sarcastic about this one bit, this has been known for quite a while by some.
Apparently one of the methods is to get a cheap Russian hooker to attempt to ply the target. So sophisticated.
Yeah, seriously, I agree. Some of their methods are, I don’t even know the correct word to describe it, amateurish ( word ??? ), that only someone with a simple mind would fall for.
Remember way back to Evelyn Farkas and how distraught she was that Trump might figure out their “sources and methods” and the need to protect them.
Trump wasn’t part of the “club” and Hillary was suppose to win, so in their minds, he had no business looking into their “sources and methods” and they were afraid he would find out and make that information publicly available.
Amateurish is a perfectly good word, as confirmed by the Oxford English Dictionary:
Furthermore, it is perfectly applicable in this context.
Their sources are liars, and their methods are lies. That’s what they are hiding.
Aren’t “sources and methods” what this is all about? We don’t like your sources and methods, neither of which outweigh the Fourth Amendment just for starters.
I say again. If DOJ is concerned about sources and methods, then negotiate a deal with Trump to keep the records satisfactorily safe and drop the criminal case. This trade off is not that uncommon in DC cases involving classified information.
It’s not classified information. Stop furthering the lie. This article covers the fact the FBI/DOJ are admitting the docs were declassified, but they don’t care and still want them hidden.
Their reason?… “sources and methods” might be exposed.
Because the sources and methods are the crimes.
THIS!
Truth hides in darkness. Open it all up .
Let the light shine.
Who are the entities that are attempting to hide?
Hmmmmmmm…..
“sources and methods”
Where have I heard THAT before?
Sources: Anyone who can make up creative false information about Trump that can later be leaked to their accomplices in the media.
Methods: Knowing putting paid liars on the payroll of the federal government so they can engage in the creative false information about Trump that will then be leaked to the media and then included on Subpoena’s and FISA warrants.
The hen house, congress. Is being guarded and controlled by the deepstate fox. The fix hunter President Trump is closing in on the deepstate fox.
Tally Ho!😀🤨
And God Is Moving In for the Final Assessment of the Weighing of the Scales of Justice, and the Measuring of the Harvest for Distribution.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
God Is Absolutely Good – All The Time
The DOJ knows that if an independent Special Master outside of D.C. sees what’s in those doecuments, that Special Master will add 2+2=4 and vomit due to what’s contained in those documents. That’s why they’re trying to get an “insider” that is already privy as to how all this works.
Trump knows all this, and he can talk until he’s blue in the face and the Uniparty can wage a campaign to suppress, play down, or humilate the messenger or play it off as just more “conspiracy theory” to get more support from the MAGA crowd.
But those declassified documents are the “proof” to back up his words, that’s what they’re scared of.
Fox News:
Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart on Tuesday unredacted additional portions of the affidavit the FBI used to secure a warrant for its raid of Donald Trump’s Florida home, revealing that the former president previously surrendered more documents to the Federal Bureau of Investigation ahead of the raid than previously reported.
Judge Reinhart released the additional portions of the affidavit at the request of the Department of Justice per Fox News.
After the raid, it became public that Trump previously complied with a grand jury subpoena and surrendered classified documents to the FBI when they visited Mar-a-Lago. The newly unredacted portion indicates that the former president provided the FBI with additional documents in a separate instance, again prior to the raid.
The May 24 subpoena with which Trump apparently complied sought “any and all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings,” according to Fox.
[Now why would the DOJ ask for un-redactions after they specifically approved the redactions in the first place????]
“any and all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings”
How does a Federal Judge/Magistrate/whatever sign off on this? Unless maybe he’s a Bro Diddler or sumthin’…
And now Reinhart knows he’s in one hell of a pickle. It’s obvious he signed a bogus illegal broad warrant. More and more malfeasance on behalf of the DOJ is being exposed. They just admitted the docs were declassified so how can they get a warrant for classified documents that are not classified?
Reinhart is trying to slowly wiggle his way out of this.
I have stated here in comments many times before that the FBI and DOJ have always claimed they are the true seat of authority and power in our government. It is in their own words as noted in the book “Leak” which contains their communications during the Nixon Watergate fiasco! And they were just as bad even then!
Because the deep state knows that they did a coup against President Trump, completed the coup when they stole the election in 2020, and in that overthrew the presidency of the United States–
they know that President Trump has every right to utilize everything related to being a wartime president.
And they want to know his plan. I believe there are documents that he will not allow them to see –Actions that needed to be taken to protect America, and to ensure continuation of government.
So of course they will not be allowed access to them because they are-treasonous enemies of America.
Thanks for everything you do Sundance, however, knowing the truth is a great and troublesome burden when combined with the fact that nothing changes anyway. Whoever said “The truth shall set you free” never met The Deep State.
When the time comes and God moves, the deep state will crumble into powder.
“I wonder if those documents were what Trump was referring to when he said “I caught the swamp! I caught them all! Let’s see what happens.”
And don’t forget. When Trump won in 2016 Hillary said “we’re ALL going to jail” She basically admitted to all of the crap!
“Sources and methods”…as if that still counts for something since we’ve seen that sources can be anonymous or nonexistent and methods are whatever they want, legal or illegal.
We should vote for The Republicans. They will fix this and save America. ….Hahahahaha. We so need a Purge of the Commies in the Federal Gubment Mostly Peaceful of course. Real Peaceful, like Kenosha Rittenhouse peaceful.
And your solution?
starting to realize that it’s the fbi’s and cia’s sources and methods that are a good bit of the problem. might indeed need a good looking over by a critical third party.
Now you’re seeing what I’ve been seeing for quite a while. I also wonder this. How many media people are actually working for the CIA as agents? And for how long? Were they planted years ago? The Soviets did that before Roosevlt the commie king became President. Harry Hopkins ran the administration under FDR and made sure he did the will of Stalin and the Russians.
They were excellent spies and we not only learned from them, but they ran our intel for decades. This has been a long time coming. The DS is the commies hidden in our institutions. That’s why they hate Trump. He will blow their cover. I pray for him. I fear they will get desperate like a cornered cat. They’re already starting with all these raids on people associated with Trump. I fear if they can’t get him with all of their lies and deceit they will do a Kennedy on him!
If Durham is wrapping things up by the end of the year, he has fulfilled his job of keeping documents possibly exonerating PDJT under wraps until after the midterms because of an “on going investigation.”
The DOJ/FBI has to start another “semi-valid” on going investigation to keep the documents secure until after the next presidential election.
A bonus along the way would be to indict/convict PDJT without having documents exposed under discovery in a trial.
THE RAT BASTARDS
The fox oversees the hens.
The DOJ oversees the DOJ and the FBI.
The fox is an amateur.
Wait, so…how…umm..
Ok, if they just admitted that, yeah, the docs were declassified, but it doesn’t matter we, the DOJ-NSD, don’t want to share them anyway cuz we da boss..how can they issue a warrant saying Trump was illegally keeping declassified documents?
Just want to ask the obvious question out loud.
Then we should be able to go back in time and do the same to any and all documents taken by any past president(s), say like Obama or Clinton? It would be a hoot to see the howling out of the left should that happen under the next Republican president.
History will look back on this period as an attempted coup by the FBI and Department of Justice to install their own selected politicians to run our Republic. It would not be wrong to arrest everyone who works at the FBI and Department of Justice for conspiracy to commit treason, because that is what we read every day that they did and continue to do.
They are very well armed and dangerous. But it’s for our country’s sake to do that. Be it as it may.
Sense that DOJ and Intel biggest fear is a conviction by Durham that provides information to trigger military tribunals. That is when all of the NSA material will come out and the sweeping corruption will be made clear.
Criminals will keep fighting because they are fighting for their very lives, but they are breaking law and convention to fight. They are fascists
Think it may be too late, too many people know, too much courage is beginning to come through, and too many whistleblowers want to save reputation and the country. All Glory Be to God.
I agree, but look who’s going to be judging those tribunals. Bidens hand picked loser generals. That’s where everything will go and disappear! Examples . look at all of the swamp who are in jail.Oh wait, none of them.
Courage is the single most essential ingredient in a free society.
Their sources and methods are both corrupt and unconstitutional so it’s no surprise they want them hidden.
A few thoughts.
This is going to boil down to process issues. My sources (all pro-DJT; IC/military related) are concerned that this time there may have been some carelessness.
Which leads to a few other thoughts:
When we are victorious and the history of this sordid chapter is written, I suspect that Judge Cannon and her appointment of the Special Master might be viewed as the pivot point to reclaiming our Republic.
Someone has to say an emphatic, “No!” to the IC and make it stick
My legal training causes me to respond:
When the pivotal point of a dispute is the existence/non-existence of government agency corruption, it is merely a sick diversion to argue that divulging declassified documents would reveal “sources and methods” even if it is reviewed by a special master (with strict instructions on scope and privacy of what he/she learns, with reporting back to the judge/parties only).
The sources and methods of the FBI/DOJ ARE the ISSUE—-If truly found in disputed documents, crimes can be proved with them.
Finally, when federal laws stack up over centuries, and they start to empower people (constitutionally subservient to the President) the U.S. Constitution sinks in this mess and allows tyranny to grow. This is what it happening.
If I were allowed to comment, I’d say – we can take note of an interview with Mike Lindell on InfoWars talking about the FBI Raid on him.
He said it was about his activities out West to expose the voting machines + evidence of Election Fraud using the machines.
In other words, he got swatted for working to expose — the means by which are Elections are rigged…
Sources + Methods…
They don’t want the masses to see what crimes they are committing + who is responsible for them…
Now – onto the black hole of moderation…
NEW RULE: Those that received the votes to be ELECTED into their positions make the rules.
Given the FBI’s track record for dishonesty, it should be a slam dunk for the judge to simply say “No more allegations. I want proof.” That collapses the government case.
FBI uses False Sources and Criminal Methods