To accept a bigger picture is often to accept the foundation of what is present is not what it appears.
Recently a Florida judge dismissed the lawsuit brought by President Trump against Hillary Clinton. [65-page Ruling Here] The media have enjoyed ridiculing Trump by using the words of the judge who dismissed the case. As noted by the Washington Times, “Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee, said Mr. Trump’s filing was too lengthy, detailing events that “are implausible because they lack any specific allegations which might provide factual support for the conclusions reached.”
Pay attention to the framework underpinning Middlebooks’ opinion. I have been reluctant to write about the decision to dismiss the lawsuit of President Trump against a multitude of conspirators, including Hillary Clinton, for two reasons.
First, because when I originally read the 108-page lawsuit filed in March, it took me a few moments, and then I realized this was not a lawsuit; this was a legal transfer mechanism created by lawyers to establish a proprietary information silo. Second, because I do not want another ridiculous subpoena from DC simply because they can’t fathom how any outside entity could solve a puzzle without insider assistance. As to the former, I have prayed on it and come to the opinion it’s worth sharing. As to the latter, it’s just another waste of taxpayer funds, but whatever – the truth has no agenda.
So, here’s a totally different take on the issues surrounding the Trump -v- Clinton lawsuit, which -from the outset- I always believed was going to be dismissed because suing all of those characters under the auspices of a civil RICO case was never the objective. However, in the aftermath, the silo created by the lawsuit is also grounded upon attorney-client privilege, a legal countermeasure to a predictable DOJ-NSD lawfare maneuver, which unfolded in the Mar-a-Lago raid and ongoing issues.
In March 2022 President Trump filed a civil lawsuit against: Hillary Clinton, Hillary for America Campaign Committee, DNC, DNC Services Corp, Perkins Coie, Michael Sussmann, Marc Elias, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Charles Dolan, Jake Sullivan, John Podesta, Robby Mook, Phillipe Reines as well as Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Orbis Business Intelligence, Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko, Neustar Inc., Rodney Joffe, James Comey Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Clinesmith and Andrew McCabe. [108-Page Lawsuit Here]
When I was about one-third of the way through reading the lawsuit, I initially stopped and said to myself this is going to take a lot of documentary evidence to back up the claims in the assertions. Dozens of attachments would be needed and hundreds of citations to the dozens of attachments would be mandatory. Except, they were not there.
After reading further, while completely understanding the background material that was being described in the filing, I realized this wasn’t a lawsuit per se’. The 108-pages I was holding in my hands was more akin to legal transfer mechanism from President Trump to lawyers who needed it. The filing was contingent upon a series of documents that would be needed to support the claims within it.
Whoever wrote the lawsuit had obviously reviewed the evidence to support the filing. However, the attachments and citations were missing. That was weird. That’s when I realized the purpose of the lawsuit. In hindsight, things became clear when the DOJ-NSD raided the home of Donald Trump, and suddenly the motive to confiscate the documents that would be the missing lawsuit attachments and citations surfaced.
With the manipulative, and I say intentional, “ongoing investigation” angle of the John Durham probe essentially blocking public release of declassified documents showing the efforts of all the lawsuit participants (Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax), President Trump needed a legal way to secure and more importantly share the evidence.
Think of it like the people around Trump wanting to show lawyers the evidence in the documents. However, because of the construct of the lawfare being deployed against Trump, any lawyer would need a *reason* to review the evidence. The Trump -v- Clinton et al lawsuit becomes that ‘reason.’
The “documents” (classified or not) are reviewed by lawyers in preparation for the lawsuit. This is their legal justification for reviewing the documents. In essence, the lawsuit is a transfer mechanism permitting the Trump legal team to review the evidence on behalf of their client, former President Donald Trump.
Once the formation of the lawsuit is established, the retainer and acceptance of the lawyers to represent their client cemented, the legal counsel, discussion and information within legal duties/obligations of those who represent the plaintiff (Trump) becomes an information silo. In addition to previous executive privilege established by President Trump himself; outside government there is now another silo to defend against the motives of the Lawfare crew (DOJ), the attorney-client privilege.
The lawsuit itself is the transfer mechanism permitting sharing of the documents and providing legal cover for the reviewers (lawyers). The details within the 108-page filing constitute the claims of the plaintiff in the lawsuit, which were established by the evidentiary documents later seized by the DOJ and FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.
“Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee, said Mr. Trump’s filing was too lengthy, detailing events that “are implausible because they lack any specific allegations which might provide factual support for the conclusions reached.”
There were no attachments and/or citations to the documentary evidence in the 108-page filing, because there was a legal risk to citing evidence with a status in dispute by the corrupt people in Main Justice and the FBI. Secondarily, there was an obstruction risk to the President, if his legal team was to publish citations that were part of an ongoing investigation (Durham). However, this doesn’t negate the value of constructing the information silo, an attorney-client privilege.
If the documents seized by the FBI were part of the lawsuit established by President Trump and his legal team via Trump -v- Clinton, then the material seized is all attorney client work product. Lawfully obtained, constitutionally declassified and legally protected material.
This is where the ‘special master’ will play a key role.
Keep watching.
A slightly different take.
Yes, the law suit created Attorney Client privilege. Its dismissal is meant to kill said privilege.
Prolly. Just imo, we absolutely HAVE to vote out and remove these Commie judges, in the ssame way as the Secrataries of State, and the AGs. These activist prog lawyers in robes are a clear obstacle to retaining our Republic.
IMO, it will be impossible to remove this structure of corruption but it is VERY possible to build an organized campaign of peaceful civil disobedience. What was it Rand Paul said about Covid cops? “They can’t arrest us all”?
Above all, Mitch should go. It would be “easy” to manipulate his votes as a “regular” GOP senator given his fam;s Chinese connections.
Unfortunately, Rand was wrong about that.
Please do not grace these people with their own label. They were never Progressive because they want civilization to Regress to the darkness of the Middle Age system of serfdom. Please call them what they really are. Most of the people never hear anything to contradict the myth they are peddling.
You are correct in that, no matter what we call them, they have clearly become an obstacle to the retention of our Constitutional Republic.
WhT new moniker should we bestow upon them?.
Leftists, Marxists. They are NOT liberals, progressives or democratic. Those are simply their preferred misnomers intended to assuage our concerns.
The problem is almost 99% of law schools graduates are brainwashed commies.
It’s over, America is gonna be done by 2030.
“These are the times that try men’s Souls”.
– Private Thomas Paine, Pennsylvania militia, at Valley Forge. As by order of General Washington, Paine read his essay, The Crisis, to the starving troops encamped there, of which he was one.
I think it was yesterday.
As I understand it, the creation and presentation of the suit (and perhaps merely the creation) generates the attorney/client privilege. The dismissal of the suit does not negate the production of the client and his attorney. The specifics of the suit were necessary to demarcate which documents would be pertanent to the privilege.
In short, the privilege was generated by the creation of the product (the suit).
Correct. The outcome is irrelevant.
The creation was the goal, not the outcome.
But as we have already seen, attorney / client privilege can be breached, even though prior to Trump it was extremely rare and very hard to do.
But now, its so easy, even a rookie FBI Agent can do it.
Perhaps this is why the judge is threatening Trump’s lawyers with disciplinary action for filing the lawsuit.
Which judge?
It’s weird that they didn’t attach the exhibits.
Not weird at all. Did you read the entire analysis? Sundance explained why they were missing.
It all would have been sealed by the court anyway
Which is, ironically, the way Lawfare seems to work, isn’t it?
He’s using their own tactics against them. Love it!
BINGO…..(sorry for the shout)
LOL!
Sundance, you might be interested to know that X22 Report is using your analysis tis evening, word for word in places, and giving it an even wider audience beyond the Treehouse.
I don’t know what to make of Dave at X22 report.
Is it just hopium? Or is it an Alphabet Psy-OP? I mean, why would he lay out all these chess moves by “The Patriots” for the Alphabets to get wind of, given they no doubt monitor his program? It’s almost too good to be true.
Yes, hopium at minimum. The kind of bullcrap my husband likes to believe
I listened to X22 for quite sometime. I have recently given up in the far fetched ideas he puts out there for “Trump and the Patriots”
He was a Q-tard. I expected him to be gone by now. 🤨
One thing is certain. A lot of you, from this site, are there. Some of you are nothing but TROLLS and bad at it.
His subscribers are growing daily.
Excellent work Sundance. Slainte
So anything let loose would be a breach from the very filing.
I have always felt this would be the rather large nail. If so, TY for verifying this, SD!
I am out out of family and funds, yet ever filled with faith.
😉
Thx SD, Agreed, -bishop to King 4…Bishop X pawn…
Exactly right, and the maneuver is brilliant. Moreover, unless the case was dismissed with prejudice, it can be refiled – with every blessed attachment included – at a later date.
Unfortunately, it WAS dismissed with prejudice. Unless Trump’s lawyers win on appeal, it can’t be refiled.
You forget the Trump Team is APPEALING this Decision.
Dismissed or not, the documents underpinning the suit are privileged.
They are going for an appeal, therefore attorney client privilege still intact. Hope this works out!
The process continues with an appeal, which will draw attention to the raid having been aimed to deprive him his rights under cover of law.
Can’t they just shop for a judge that will destroy the concept of executive privilege(for Trump only) like they have several times already?
Not hard to destroy it for Trump if the current executive branch declines the privilege.
Judge Cannon disagreed with that in her order relating to the illegal search warrant.
🍿🍿🍿😏
Exposing the deepstate motives and detailing their hidden agenda is exactly what all America needs to know.
Trying to understand the deepstate operations is much too complicated for me an most people.
It takes much time and research to connect the deepstate dots.
The Conservative Tree House does the heavy lifting for us.
This is why I excited to read your super informative articles everyday.
It gives me insite into what is really going on in the dc swamp cesspool of deepstate operations.
Thankyou, thankyou thankyou.
Your articles are a staple in my reading.
Captain Convey
Thou shalt not *fool* with Hillary.
First rule of Swamp Inc.
And therefore it would be legal for Trump’s lawyers to have copies of all the documents/evidence that the DOJ would be able to take or keep.
That’s an exciting thought! And you know Trump … he never hires just ONE lawyer! Those docs could be stashed ANYWHERE by now!😏
I overheard an elderly couple discussing the issue of the Special Master. The man seemed to think the judge had been reprimanded by Garland and told to change her decision. Then he went on to claim Trump was guilty and the DOJ/FBI has done nothing wrong. I can only assume there were repeating CNN talking points.
Bulls hit!
All of the attorneys handling Trump’s RICO lawsuit can now hire attorneys to defend against DOJ threats, subpoenas and/or prosecution, thus creating additional silos of privileged information.
Right. I’m just not sure what all these attorneys having secret stashes of private documents does for Trump or for getting the truth dispersed. 🤷♂️
No. 9 on pgs. 5-6 seems like citizens should fill a class action suit against those same defendants, as they have been harmed during these years due to private and FEDERAL misconduct.
Watergate was pre-school compared to the deviance and degeneracy of those who have and continue to attack Trump. No one must rest until justice is served on those defendants.
Don’t worry … Durham’s all over this case!
tongue hard in my cheek.
I’m fixin’ to do exactly that, just waiting for the opportune moment & tailor made opportunity to jump into the fray. That moment & opportunity have arrived. When Mark Zuckerberg flat out lied to Joe Rogan about when, why, & how he decided to censor the stories about what? Hunter Biden’s laptop… But just the same he sure did confess to something all right. And I knew what it was so… A week later I contacted my state’s AG office to inquire as to the proper procedures to follow and spoke to the lead Facebook investigator who briefed me on the initial steps I should take to get my data back… He’s very interested in hearing from the thousands of people whose social media accounts & data were deactivated for sharing truthful information contrary to the official narrative being sought by the Joe Biden Campaign & the gubmint agencies that assisted the DNC in its theft of the Dem nomination for Biden & the theft of the presidency for these 9/11 war criminals…
I’ll join every class action coming down the pike because I have the goodies on them.
See you Truthers on the other side!
Not sure I understand the point of this theory.
The attorney client privilege would only protect the fact of the communication of the documents to the attorney. It would not protect the documents themselves. You cannot make evidence privileged merely by communicating it to your attorney.
So, if “Trump” shows “Attorney” a copy of evidentiary “Document 1”, the fact that Trump showed the document to Attorney would be privileged, but it would not make Document 1 itself privileged.
I do not see the benefit. Nor would it give the attorney the right to see classified information that he would not otherwise have, nor a need to know if the classified information was so limited.
Either Trump could show his lawyers the documents or he couldn’t. The mere fact of showing them to the lawyer would not change anything.
If showing the documents to his lawyers was a crime, then the privilege would be of no help, because there is a crime or fraud exception to the attorney client privilege.
So, the lawsuit would not create a justification to make the documents privileged, nor create a justification to show the potentially classified documents to his lawyer.
RICO has a short 4- year civil statute of limitations, but I thought the FBI-DOJ-clinton-sussman-fusion-steele collusion pattern only came out recently from the durham “investigation” and trial proof?
The judge used a 2017 tweet as evidence that Trump “knew” of the injury then, and ruled that that was when the clock started running.
In other words, in this judge’s view, Trump would have had to file this suit while he was still in office, or in the months immediately following his departure.
Nope, it’s called work product and it is privileged, period. He has ultimate authority to declassify and show his attorney whatever he chooses. The whole “classified documents” deal is for morons who don’t understand he was POTUS and are looking for anything to take him down. What a disgusting perversion of a once great justice system. We went from discovering a crime and looking for the perp, to finding a perp and discovering his crime, just like good little communists.
You missed the point.
The democrats are exposed! Judge Middleton has raised the curtain to reveal the “show me the man, I’ll show you the crime,” tactics of the Swamp. The DOJ-NSD will never relent in their efforts to protect their cabal.
Didn’t Hillary’s attorneys get to determine which of the documents she had were classified and which weren’t by taking them all to THEIR office and “reviewing” them?
Pretty sure that’s what happened.
And Hillary was never a President.
The exception to the privilege is whether the client intended to commit a crime somehow through communication with the lawyer. In this case, the intent was a lawsuit, which is not a crime.
I was shocked by the RAID, but at the same time somewhat laughed and posted several comments that the might have raided the wrong location, since lead counsel was in Bedminster, and they drafted the Complaint, not FL local counsel, who sole purpose is knowledge of local rules so a filing isn’t dismissed on a technicality. It should have been obvious to any numbskull that the attorneys had to read the documents to write the Complaint.
I also think the date of filing in March 2022 is the day those originals documents “disappeared”, never to to found, no matter how many locations are subsequently raided.
108-page Complaint for the world to read. By-passed msm/social media.
Skunked.
The fox following the beagle says it all.
MaineCoon – I wonder what was the date that the FBI/DOJ instructed Team Trump that they had better put a lock on the room that contained the documents? IMO, someone has become scared (because of the lawsuit and what it implies as outlined by Sundance) and probably panic has set in and forced DOJ/FBI into their overreach. Curiouser and curiouser.
President Trump’s RICO suit cemented ALL of the files as Attorney/Client privilege when it was filed. That’s it.
President Trump’s amended suit is even more fun!
IIRC it was sometime in June. I think that’s what I recall reading. What a mess!
There are no elevated, super special people who are judges. They are all mostly lawyers wearing wigs, or waiting for their chance at a wig.
and MOST ALL BELONG ” to the SAME Club House “.
VERY RARELY do You Find a NON – LAWYER, ( Meaning MEMBER OF The STATE and LOCAL BAR ASSOCIATION ), JUDGE.
Maybe a MAGISTRATE…
LOOK at the Voting Information – IF YOU VOTE for JUDGES – They Tout Their Affiliations.
you know they didn’t get what they were after as all those trump affiliates getting raided or suppeonaed for all communications dating back to 2017.they are looking for the trail to those documents.at this point what is pdjt to do.even if the SM makes all those docs a/c priviledge.does he want to appeal?you can bet they will find a clinton judge to grant the appeal then the doj(who just happened to insert themselves into the suit)will get them in discovery.then they just tell durham to stall.the docs never see the light of day. at this point i have my doubts about the doj giving the SM all the evidence.
some say the wheels of justice move slow.
this old saw was always an incorrect simplistic axiom – it fails to address WHY the wheels of “justice” are slow.
fact is: justice belongs to the US Gov’t. US Gov’t is not merely inefficient, but there is usually a larger agenda being served and serving that agenda take precedence over all other end goals:
BUT..and here is the reality:
the predicate of cross fire hurricane and all the associated conspiracy evidence is not going away.
this was a stolen election.
it was the targeting and persecution of a duly elected American President, who WON TWICE..
People will not forget this …because they can’t. It’s not the type of crime we can just chaulk up and casually dismiss and forget about.
Because this was not some mythical existential virtual threat.
This was stealing power FROM THE PEOPLE. (trump was just on the way).
And due to a SERIES of non inconsequential events (pandemic, bioweapon, mRNA, lockdowns) and the current regimes obvious motives (green deal, alt energy) to steal such power, has a direct and immediate and long last impact on the lives of nearly every single human being on planet earth.
this is a war. if you doubt this, you have totally missed the entire agenda that was engaged and the reasons and the consequences for “taking trump out”.
this WILL continue. There will be no “going back”.
this is a war.
know your enemy..so far, mostly unchallenged power.
that changes when the people experience UNBEARABLE PAIN.
that comes next.
people sense it. it’s not some fringe delusion.
how bad can it possible get from here, some muse?
very bad.
prepare for that.
it’s coming.
and the reckoning.
ready or not.
God Bless America
Keep it short, Regitiger…WAR.
100%, yes! Evidence of the election theft is the aggressively lawless, antithetical behavior since the theft.
People don’t steal power to be benevolent. They steal power to abuse it!
MAGA!! 👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏻🙏🏻
I can’t believe it has come to this. The rabbit hole gets deeper by the day.
The average citizen can’t even finish reading most of Sundance’s articles let alone comprehend the deep meaning being conveyed
I live in an area with many retired school teachers. Time and time again they tell me they can’t follow the articles I recommend from Sundance .
Too many names and too much information for their stale minds to grasp.
That is why I know that The day I came across the Conservative Treehouse was one of the single most impactful days of my life.
Thank you Sundance and crew.
The one thing that makes the the current state of affairs in this once great United States Of America tolerable are the factual tools given to us ,the readers The Last Refuge ,so generously by this wonderful team of patriots.
This may be overly optimistic but I believe that just before Donald Trump came down the escalator to announce his run for office a decision was made by a group of of very patriotic individuals lead by Donald J. Trump to meet this threat head on.
I think they were well aware of the threat the massive political corruption was to the very existence to our country.
Hopefully Sundance is one of them . But if not I hope they are fully aware of the contributions Sundance makes.
I believe this to be true .
I pray for them every day and also pray that I am right.
I love DJT
MAGA
the mood of a country that illicits a fundamental break from conventional attitudes is mostly controlled by emotions.
this is a reality.
concrete facts that illuminate truths are not just hard to comprehend by humans, but that this is not really HOW humans make decisions. We are emotionally charged decision makers.
all of us.
realizing a paradigm change and shift in the mood and as such the ultimate political power of THE PEOPLE, is unfortunately subject to this emotional filter. It’s a very powerful filter. In most cases, its the only one that really matters.
this feature of human behavior illustrates and explains why the great interest and investment of the central state to control the media and to install a culture of opinion based emotionally charged narratives.
Over the top, sky is falling, we all die in two days, wins over actual fact finding, critical thinking, and truth.
We live in an age, where infomation warfare of very powerful. never been more powerful.
the advent of the internet and all things social media is not to blame for this paradigm shift.
the blame is fully on those that have intentionally weaponized the media and the internet.
at the moment, the corrupt central state is mostly unchallenged because they control the narratives.
but lies are expensive and unsustainable.
eventually you run out of energy supporting lies. It’s just not possible to keep all that hot air aloft. You end up losing control of the zeppelin of deceptions.
that day is coming.
the reckoning.
who knows when it happens, but we see the patterns of it.
the fraud is so entrenched in nearly every single area of government activity, it is just a matter of time before people move move from low confidence “ratings” and mistrust, to outright civil disobedience and more.
why?
lies are painful…it is a type of violence. When you commit to a lie, you are stealing. It is a form of theft. A thief can only rob so many banks and wallets. A scoundreal can only make the con work so many times.
the achilles of this corrupt central state is that the body of lies has displaced ALL TIME MONEY AND RESOURCES, forcing it into a condition that has but only one predictable outcome – it can no longer do the things that must be done to even make appearances. I give you the current and previous press secretary as exhibits for how the corrupt central state behaves in its last sequences of decay. Blantant and obvious lies..
there are three types of bullshitters
the professional BS – does it to collect a reward and does so effectively
the amateur BS – does it to gain recognition or standing, but does not collect an reward
the moron BS – commits to a lie that does not have any value and can only lead to exposure.
we are dealing with a corrupt central state that has mostly the moron BS description…..it makes blatant provable stupid lies that serve no interest ….unforced errors….the moron who loses the entire match based on avoidable and stupid mistakes.
Regitiger, We fight to retain our way of life. So be it.
If analytic thinking is the antithesis of bullshit receptivity, then teaching bullshit detection may be our best path to any form of recovery.
We live in the Age of Political Bullshit. Multiple studies suggest 12 million Americans believe interstellar lizard-men secretly run the world. If that’s not enough, 7% of Americans believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows. A third of Americans couldn’t recognize the Bill of Rights, with 1 in 10 having no idea why it was drafted in the first place.
Given this new type of warfare, Americans better beef up their detection kits if we have hope of recovery.
I agree in substance and will add that the “group of very patriotic individuals” recruited DJT to “meet this threat head on” has been referred to, (by independent journalists who have experience in military intelligence), as a “SOC” (Self-Organizing Collective).
Make of it what you will.
Yes…I have heard this before. And I think Rudy was just one of them. That is one reason why their loyalty runs so deep.
I took some time to read up on self organizing collectives. As I was reading a chill went through my body.
It occurred to me that the deep state globalist are an anti American ,fascist inclined ,murderous , self organizing collective.
How am I going to sleep tonight?
Posts made referencing SOC on twitter have been removed. For those wondering what is the SOC and haven’t been aware, here is a vid from Clif High. Thnks for the reference Abi:
“In this Special Report From Sean Morgan, he and Paul Furber interview Clif High about his linguistics based software forecasting and Clif’s insight into the coming showdown between the White Hats (That he calls the SOC, Self Organizing Collective) and the Deep State. Its all about awakening the consciousness of humanity to their sovereignty and overcoming sociopathic mind control techniques. Clif covers it all in this episode from industrialized pedophilia, torture, and organ harvesting to the specific groups that encompass the deep state and the good news that their days are numbered. Clif believes the great awakening is already unfolding and will hit a crescendo in the coming months but could take years to fully happen.” Many reports have debunked any of this:
https://ugetube.com/watch/special-report-clif-high-forecasts-the-great-awakening_E3956p1MTIOLbZQ.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_sXha4TPCEFQ0Di7yDuEzM1QfDKuzqMC.e.y2nGckwPg-1631218959-0-gqNtZGzNAnujcnBszQwl
It’s mental warfare on many levels. They’ve been spraying these aerosols for years now in our air without our consent, look into geoengineering, there are military documents and entire conferences dedicated to it:
I love this post. And DJT too
Indeed, Jim.
Even though Joe Biden and Barack Obama were not named in the RICO suit, what do you want to bet that documents produced during discovery would show their knowledge of the hoax that was being perpetrated. And that knowledge along with the Obama White House operating against Carter Page would be enough to bring down the Biden administration.
Question: would discovery also lead to blowback for the Gang of 8? Would it show, for instance, that Cocaine Mitch and Nancy Pelosi also knew that Trump was being falsely targeted? Such a suit could not just bring down the Biden administration, but throw both House and the Senate into chaos.
Consider, too, the question of how the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign was obtained. Would there be blowback for the courts? Since the FISA court reports to the Chief Justice, would discovery lead to (rightful) distrust of our court system and especially Roberts’ rejoinder to Trump that there is no such thing as an Obama judge?
Finally, where would discovery lead with respect to what Five Eyes nations knew and any complicity of foreign governments in attempts to produce a desired outcome of the 2016 election?
It seems that President Trump’s suit could have devastating consequences for a lot of institutions that are “too big to fail.” Note that I haven’t even touched on Sundance’s Fourth Branch of government.
Sundance noted a long time ago, that the truth would shatter the “institution.” _ paraphrasing, obviously – but bottom line is it would expose the Deep State for what it is and has been. The huge question is: Will the truth be exposed. Answer: IT MUST. Next questions: When and by whom. We all believe the Truth shall set us free. I berlieve it shall, and in the near future.
Did anyone else notice the downplaying of 9/11 commemoration this year?
I make a point of watching every year and I found basically nothing. I saw that the NYT ignored it this year.
I think more of us are willing to entertain the possibility that we’ve been lied to regarding that horrible day in light of all the lies we see now.
The deep state is very vulnerable to the truth of that surfacing because the outrage would be bipartisan among citizens/voters.
“President Trump needed a legal way to secure and more importantly share the evidence.”
Mmm. And this article caught my attention a few weeks back…
“FBI Sought Documents Trump Hoarded for Years, Including about Russiagate”
https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-sought-documents-trump-hoarded-years-including-about-russiagate-1734280
But the true target was this private stash, which Justice Department officials feared Donald Trump might weaponize.
There’s a big freaking difference between “weaponize” and “threat to National Security”.
So which is it, DOJ.
Tere is a saying something to be effect “That Karma is (Something that rhymes with Witch)🤔🤗
Some people have delusions of grandeur, their security.
They seem to have everything. How does the Trump team use what they know? How can they ‘legally’ inject, make public or use as evidence what they have?
This is getting very interesting. Not too many moves are left to play it seems.
Wow. I am impressed with Trump’s chessboard moves! 👍
Unfortunately, the lawsuit was dismissed ‘With Prejudice’. I’m not sure there’s a workaround at this point.
Page 64
(5) Plaintiff’s Motions to Set Aside the Government’s Certification (DE 238; DE 265) are
DENIED
(6) Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint (DE 177) is DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE as to the Non-Federal Defendants under Rule 12(b)(6) and WITHOUT PREJUDICE as to
the United States under Rule 12(b)(1).
(7) I reserve jurisdiction to adjudicate issues pertaining to sanctions.
An order dismissing a complaint with prejudice can be appealed.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong … the only thing the prejudiced dismissal means is that this suit cannot be brought in this jurisdiction again. It does not prevent the decision from being appealed. And the decision could be appealed even if dismissed without prejudice.
The Trump Team is Appealing.
Mid terms will slow this thing down to a crawl….probably by design ( timing) to stretch things out into 2023/24
So Durham is another traitor in the judicial process. What a Surprise. It never ends, Mueller. Comey, Garland, Barr, Roberts FISA court, and so many more.
It will come down to either Trump wins or the Republic dies. Biden’s handlers will never back off because they own the DC courts.
“It will come down to either Trump wins or the Republic dies.”
No, there’s still the 2nd Amendment and the 3%.
Xiden’s handlers CAN’T back off! As $hrillary said, they’ll all hang. This is literally life or death for them, there’s just too many of us and they know it. They’re terrified.
You could be right.
1) DoJ-NSD reverse engineers Trump’s lawsuit and determine what citations and evidence would be needed to back up the claims therein.
2) From this they decide Trump must surely have these documents.
3) They raid MaL looking for same.
4) Now they realize that they didn’t get part or all of their list (this implies they have the originals and knew Trump had only copies)
5) Judge Cannon should require that DoJ return the materials to her custody BEFORE she picks the Special Master.
6) Perhaps Trump will file motions for the Special Master that provide a roadmap for the relatioship of the seized documents to his now-dismissed lawsuit.
Among the flaws in all this is that the DoJ will never return the docs. They are not going to allow a Special Master to review them. If aons of legal process fail, they will “lose” them, or have a tragic fire. There is no reason to believe they will play fair with any of this.
Mark Warner’s statement, “people will die if the documents are released” superficially is just hype to paint Trump as reckless. Underneath that cover, is it a death threat to anyone foolish enough to spill the beans or even just fail to keep the documents hidden?
“Mark Warner’s statement, “people will die if the documents are released” superficially is just hype to paint Trump as reckless. Underneath that cover, is it a death threat to anyone foolish enough to spill the beans or even just fail to keep the documents hidden?”
Yep. I think you nailed it. Our enemies are playing for keeps. It’s time we did too.
I believe Sundance explained.once. ( I believe I have this right. That classified documents are copies of the originals which carry the classification. So Doj creates and classifies a document, Trump hears of it and asks for a copy Doj keeps the original and pro ides a copy to Trump.
In this cesspool.( This is me now not my interpretation of SD) they would make fifty copies to pass to all their conspiracy mates. Everyone would want to be informed in case they needed to update back stories, get ahead of it, or check the condition of the ironwork in their bedside stand.
Yes, “classified” documents have certified copies distributed. Nobody gets originals, which stay with the generating organization.
I took his meaning as a threat to anyone thinking of spilling the beans, while feigning concern for “intelligence agents.”
Heck! The Clintons got all the spies in China killed. Biden got Seal Team 6 killed.
It ain’t like they care about getting innocent people killed. They care about keeping the super secret secrets secret so they can keep their seats of power & pick WHO gets killed.
But why now? Why not file the RICO suit the day Trump left office?
This makes good sense to me. I could think of no reason why Trump’s lawsuit would be thrown out of court, since he is entitled to be a plaintiff in a lawsuit against his tormentors, even if he loses the litigation. Why the Judge would just throw out the suit struck me as another link to the Russia-Collusion hoax, which was basically conducted in part by all of the named defendants. I never connected it to the FBI raid on Donald Trump’s home. But this makes too much sense to be ignored and Mark Warner is obviously not ignoring it. I think you are on the trail of the truth with this. Watch your back trail, Sundance. These guys are playing for the whole ball of wax.
This read, was one for the books.
Dare I feel a slight hope?
It’s going to be printed and filed, away in my “Sundance Folder’.
Time will tell.
I can’t think of one person in my life, to share this with and then have an intelligent conversation with, over this information.
Not even Pa will understand this fully.
The whole problem with fighting this lawfare enemy, is underestimating the power of the truth. They live in an alternate reality, opposed to the laws of GOD. They seemingly win and win and win. But it’s all a mirage. The truth will win out.
The war has been won but the battle must be fought. Brace yourself and don’t let go of faith, hope and love.
Believe, like your life depends on it, because it does.
PRINT ( pdf ) EVERYTHING of IMPORTANCE to a Coherent Narrative of HOW These LAST 10 Years Have GONE DOWN and Keep it SAFE – OFF THE INTERNET and ” The Cloud “.
SEVERAL Significant Actors and Actresses in this New ILIAD of The United States have Stated that They Expect Information to BE PURGED a’la George Orwell 1984
ie. LOOK at the WEBSTER Dictionary entries and COVID Information
That’s one reason we have been stocking up on Bibles. The puppet masters want us reading it online, where they can subtly revise it or eliminate it altogether.
What an excellent idea
Regarding published early covid articles, I started printing them and when I found relevant information that provided safe and effective treatments, such as vitamin D, quercetin, N-Acetylcystine, hydroxychlorquine, ivermectin, etc. I printed hard copies. I submitted copies of these papers to my County Health Department for future reference when public officials are held accountable for their actions & untruthful statements about the mandates and refusal by physicians to provide early outpatient treatment for covid. May God have mercy on them. I won’t.
You girls can share and discuss with me! I need someone also!
My well-educated, husband, who supports Trump, literally wanders off to another room when I start a sentence with “Sundance says…”. If I’m able to condense it somewhat I can sometimes sneak it in over dinner, but not always.
He doesn’t think anything that’s happened is a big mystery. He always says, “It’s all about the power”, as though that explains it. And further discussion almost never happens.
Sundance, I would lose my mind worrying about my President Trump if it weren’t for you and this website. I check in several times a day.
After reading about his Clinton lawsuit, I’m so excited! I can only imagine how many copies of those damning documents might be out there now as privileged lawyer-client information, and how the FBI knows they may never track them all down.
I hope Trump hired 10 lawyers for each of the people he named in the suit, and sent copies of the documents to every lawyer on every team.
One of Trump’s lawyers, named Trusty, was on Mark Levin’s show tonight. His calm, cool remarks impressed me. He said basically don’t worry, we know what we’re up against and we know what we’re doing. And he truly seemed like he does.
Thanks to you and him, I’ll sleep better tonight.
Lawyer Trusty? Isn’t that an oxymoron? lol
Because we’re nerds and enjoy walking in the weeds with SD, Technology, Lee Smith, Paul Sperry, etc. It’s a fun ride, but not easy to hop on while it’s moving. So glad to have the comments section here so we can chew on it together. Thanks SD.
That’s why we have the Treehouse! Thank God! SD was able to transition from stupid WordPress to this new format. We would be blind of the truth & left floundering with little hope for goodness. God bless Sundance and God bless the Treehouse!
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Did fib actually find anything at MAL? Is this really a big trap?..
“I might not be a smart man, butt, I do know MAGA; Jenny!”
The lawsuit not intended to be a lawsuit was a stroke of genius and proved itself as a very wise move months later.
What this appears to be saying is that even the 103 pages of declassified (formerly classified) documents (where most of the dirt against the people sued probably exists) is covered under attorney-client privilege and so must be returned, but more to the point the taking of which will be revealed as an extreme attempt to cover up evidence to the point of invading Trump’s home to seize them.
This shows the extreme paranoia and explains exactly why the DOJ/FBI broke all protocol to take this extreme step and didn’t take more reasonable intervening steps.
SD,
Love ya, but . . . Have to rain on your parade a little here.
Attorney Client privilege pertains to communications between a lawyer and a client. Running source documents through an attorney does not attach privilege to the documents themselves. Famously, Big Tobacco tried that ploy back when its liability was being litigated. They ran all their internal memos showing they knew cigarettes smoking caused cancer over to counsel to review and then claimed they didn’t have to produce the incriminating documents because counsel review attached privilege. They lost that argument. It was an abuse of the privilege.
Nor are pre-existing underlying source documents that are evidence of the elements of a claim “attorney work product.” Attorney work product is things like attorney notes, interviews undertaken by attorneys with witnesses to gather additional evidence, legal analysis memoranda, things like that. Now, maybe if the Trump Team was interviewing witnesses, there could be some of that. But that isn’t things like the fully declassified Strozk texts, generated by Strozk and Page.
Providing documents to an attorney in order to allow the attorney to review them and prepare and file an action certainly creates a defensible way to enlarge the pool of people who have seen and have copies of the documents, but filing a complaint is not necessary to make the communications between attorney and client legitimate.
My read is that the exhibits and underlying documents weren’t attached mostly because President Trump wanted to scare the “#$%’ out of them and make them wonder exactly what he does have and what he might make public. Leaving them twisting in the wind.
And prompting the raid. Which then he announced loudly. Very loudly.
It probably was in this situation, because…Durham.
Your Big Tobacco case is not analogous because they were using the attorney/client privilege to protect themselves as defendants. In Trump’s case, the privilege results from his attorneys suing Hillary et al as the plaintiff, not trying to protect themselves as the defendants. Further, the ongoing privilege of not releasing the citations and attachments is due to the ongoing Durham investigation. Putting them in the lawsuit filing could have brought charges on obstruction of justice of the Durham investigation.
In any event, had the citations and attachments been in the filing, it would be obvious to all that those documents were all declassified by Trump either on January 20, 2021 with his memo, or were declassified in his previous statement in October 2020. Those two declasses declassified all Crossfire Hurricane, Trump Russia Collusion, and Hillary emails documents. Those are the documents the DOJ is claiming as classified, and that is why they don’t want a special master to see them.
The point being is that by bringing the RICO lawsuit without the citations and attachments, the Trump team has set in motion the DOJ’s response which is now in the open, including the June subpoena on Mar-a-Lago, and the history of this whole sordid affair.
I’ll be very interested in the Trump team’s response to the DOJ’s ultimatum, which is due tomorrow.
One other point.
The Trump lawyers didn’t just put that lawsuit together without input from Trump as to the chronology, details, documentation, etc. So as Trump communicated with his lawyers using specific documentation to support the charges, all of that communication, including the documentation, becomes privileged. I’m sure the lawyers have voluminous detailed communication with Trump, all privileged.
And the number of people in the loop with legitimate familiarity with those documents has expanded well beyond the Derp State itself, and how that might be exploited I suspect will be very Trumpian.
Ron B….you have me joining your argument…and also waiting to get a copy of the filing tomorrow.
Sundance was the first subpoena related to your interview with FBI investigator
William Alden ?
What an unbelievably exciting ultimate chess move.
Check Mate.
If President Trump’s lawyers have a copy of the documents for the RICO suit why wouldn’t the DOJ/FBI get search warrants under the guise that they could have some confidential/secret documents and raid their law offices? To hell with attorney-client privilege! Who’s going to stop them?
Sundance, you never cease to amaze me. Thank you for all you do to educate me and the rest of the folks here at The Conservative Tree House. I am however worried for your safety since you mentioned you are getting subpoenas from within DC. Please take care of yourself.
On the same day Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clintonagreed to give the U.S. Justice Department private emails she wrote when she was secretary of state, a federal judge tossed out a lawsuit filed by a conservative lawyer who claimed she should have turned over the emails to him.
In a 14-page opinion released Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Donald Middlebrooks rejected attorney Larry Klayman’s claims that Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, violated the nation’s RICO act, engaged in mail fraud and committed other misdeeds by not responding to his requests for the emails. Without ruling on the merits of Klayman’s assertions, Middlebrooks said Klayman had no standing to bring the lawsuit.
To sue the Clintons under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, Klayman must show that he lost money as a result of the Clintons’ actions, wrote Middlebrooks, who was appointed to the bench by Clinton when he was president in 1997.
“The only economic injury (Klayman) alleges is that the (Clintons’) conduct may have compromised (Klayman’s) ability to make a living,” Middlebrooks wrote. “Such vague and speculative allegations of economic injury are insufficient to state an injury to business or property under RICO.”
Middlebrooks also rejected Klayman’s claims that he was injured by the Clintons’ failure to release the emails even after he made numerous requests under the federal Freedom of Information Act. “The Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected the argument that FOIA endows citizens with a constitutional right to access government records,” he wrote.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2016/09/23/clinton-emails-lawsuit-tossed-by/7796352007/
Larry Klayman from Judicial Watch attempted a similar RICO lawsuit against Bill and Hillary Clinton back in the year 2016 against the very same District Judge Donald Middlebrooks so it was not much of a surprise that Donald Middlebrooks would also dismiss President Donald Trump’s RICO lawsuit against Hillary Clinton 6 years later in the year 2022.
And isn’t it amazing that so many judges recused themselves from this case except this one. Just a coincidence I guess. <smiles>
And one judge that did recuse himself from this RICO case (Bruce Reinhart) is the one who signed off on the DOJ/FBI search warrant of MAL. <double smiles>
So does this mean multiple copies of this information is legally able to exist? Is that why they are going after his legal team?
Remember this name to all those who believe PDJT’s legal team is “lacking”.
James Trusty is ONE of the lead attorneys. He was on with Mark Levin tonight.
I’m sure there are many others that we have no idea who they are and that is part of the strategy.
Need to know basis only.
Sundance’s “take” on the raid is plausible and scary.
The DOJ/FBI had no clue what documents, if any, PDJT had that would support his RICO suit.
The entire Deep State including and especially the Senate (Warner, etc.) are terrified.
The raid probably did not find any documents so look for intensified attacks on PDJT, his associates, allies and supporters.
The MAL raid was the opening salvo of the final showdown.
All chips are on the table.
Got Bless America.
Yup. Rubycon crossed.
yep
I’m growing weary of the Spy vs. Spy developments here. We have been told that Trump has had the goods on them since 2018. He failed to disclose then, supposedly, because it would have triggered an obstruction charge from Mueller. But, if the documents are as damaging as Sundance tells us, then do you really think the public would support that??
And now in 2022, we are told that all of the documents are declassified, but they cannot be disclosed so an attorney-client silo had to be opened up. Sorry but I am turning on the BS light. If Kash Patel is telling the truth, all of the those documents have been declassified. I believe a Privacy Act violation is a misdemeanor. Are you telling us that Trump is holding back from disclosing documents that will lay bare a government/intelligence directed coup in fear of a fine and misdemeanor charge??
Something does not add up here. We are not being told the whole truth by either the Trump Team or the Deep State.
He can not.release.without being charged with obstruction of justice.
That is undeniable and they certainly would.
I think SD is correct in that it gives attorneys and paralegals the legal authority to review comment and have copies.
Now here’s what I would be worried about a 20 something paralegal with no family and some tech savvy friends send off a Dropbox worth of declassified files in a secure Cloud acct with a password like Trump2024 accidently.guessed simultaneously by a bunch of dark web sites. NSA would be chasing ever changing file signatures and a exponential growth in file transmissions.
I am not a tech guy and I can see that happening.
Deep State stock up on maloxx
“and have copies”
If you think they would only go after him for a Privacy Act violation then you haven’t been paying attention. Biden waived(supposedly) his executive privileges which started all of this. Can Biden do this? I would say No.
Pay better attention.
God Bless Trump and all patriots!
I find it interesting that they subpoenaed you. I have always known you were on the money but their interest in your insight proves you are over target. It is their own arrogance that lets them think their acts of corruption are invisible to the world. Thank you Sundance for all your hard work. Congratulations seem to be in order.
“If the documents seized by the FBI were part of the lawsuit established by President Trump and his legal team via Trump -v- Clinton, then the material seized is all attorney client work product. ”
With surveillance video to back it up showing when his attorney’s accessed the documents.
Nice.
Sundance, you are a very smart person. I read here specifically to benefit from your observations. Thank you.
Brilliant 👏
I think he should have released it all on his last day in office. Nothing to lose at that point.
He WAS the Executive Branch. He was the unitary Chief Executive. Durham et al. were SUBORDINATE to him.
Now I fear we will never see the evidence. A cartridge unfired will not kill or wound an enemy.
Trump tends to keep his powder a little TOO dry.
But, just knowing it’s there causes them to act. Through those actions the public becomes more aware, more awake. There needs to be a critical mass.
LOLOLOL!!! This is what I have always thought.
Maybe save for the flight jacket.
One way to actualize Gramsci’s ‘march through the institutions’ in the current era is to attend law school and master jurisprudence into submission.
While SD’s readings of the tea leaves are often quite brilliant, it amounts to playing in the devil’s sandbox.
Surely the Man of Lawlessness is on the horizon. The law can be made now to assert anything against the People. If it can assert anything, it asserts nothing. We exist in a state of lawlessness that expresses itself in a thicket of laws.
As always, the Bible beats us to the strangest realizations:
“For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed”
–Thessalonians 2:7-8
Brilliant. Simple. Niiiiiice.
… the kind of insight Rush had, and its very much appreciated. Thank you, Sundance.