A comprehensively corrupt and politically motivated U.S. Justice Department has appealed the part of Judge Cannon’s previous order appointing a special master with authority to review documents the FBI collected at Mar-a-Lago last month. [Appeal for ‘stay’ pdf motion Here]
The corrupt and politically motivated Lawfare prosecutors state they have serious concerns about handing government secrets to a third party and will not allow it.
In essence, the DOJ-NSD, an agency within the justice department created by Eric Holder, is claiming no one outside the DOJ-NSD should be allowed to review the documents they have defined as “national security” interests. Main Justice really, really doesn’t want anyone seeing what the DOJ-NSD are defining.
The DOJ lawyers begin by telling the judge she must respond to them on their timeline, or else they will go to the eleventh circuit court of appeals and have them block her ruling. Do as we say, or else…
The majority of the rest of the motion for the Judge to stay her own prior ruling, surrounds various claims of national security compromise.
If the DOJ is forced to let an independent arbiter look at what they are doing, irreparable harm may ensue.
When the agency in power to seize documents, seizes documents that carry evidence of the corruption within the agency by weaponizing tactical lawfare to keep evidence of their corrupt activities from the public, this is what happens.
Our justice system was politically weaponized by Barack Obama and Eric Holder. The aftermath of their compromise has collapsed the credibility and authority of the institution; however, most people just haven’t admitted it yet.
Perhaps Judge Cannon will.
I wonder what the Constitution says about threatening and coercion of Judges. I say, let them take it to the circuit courts and then the Trump can appeal to the Supreme Court.
IMO this is where this case belongs because every move they have made has been a violation of just about all of the President’s Constitutional rights.
“The U.S. Constitution has no standing. Next!” — SCOTUS
The Supreme Court may not want to hear the case!
Tomorrow is Friday.
Thanks for the headsup.
So?
“Take out the trash day” when they put out news stories they don’t want anyone to focus on.
Newsdump day….
The Democrats are a lawless bunch of scum
Police: Democrat Official’s DNA Found at Murder Scene of Las Vegas Reporter
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/08/police-democrat-officials-dna-found-at-murder-scene-of-las-vegas-reporter/
and
Democrat Official Arrested After Fatal Stabbing of Investigative Journalist Who Accused Him of Corruption
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2022/09/08/democrat-official-arrested-after-fatal-stabbing-of-investigative-journalist/
New orders PAPERLESS ORDER: Plaintiff shall respond to Defendant’s Motion for a Partial Stay Pending Appeal 69 on or before September 12, 2022, at 10:00 a.m. Signed by Judge Aileen M. Cannon on 9/8/2022. (dsy) (Entered: 09/08/2022)
And: The proposed order of appointment to be filed tomorrow, which shall include the special master’s schedule and order of operations, the parties are instructed to consider Defendant’s position as to the approximately 100 documents discussed in the Motion for Partial Stay.
UPDATE: Judge Cannon has issued an order asking the parties to consider, in Friday’s filings, DOJ’s views about the 100 classified documents retrieved from Mar-aLago
In layman’s terms, what does this mean? Only the 100 docs or ALL of the docs?
DOJ’s appeal seems strategic, narrow and tactical. They take issue with the 100 some odd classified pages. They don’t want Trump or a special master to see those, and they want to be able to continue their review for criminal investigative purposes.
Obama’s birth certificate?
If I was the Judge I would ask the DOJ a few questions before making my final decision:
They also make the point others have made – it makes no sense to segregate the national security review from the criminal one because the FBI wears two hats
Only problem with that is that the National Records Act, the basis of the entire raid, carries no criminal penalties.
My guess only, based on listening to the brilliant Mike Davis.
We are witnessing a war between the Intelligence Community and those who have not yet been Blackmailed by it.
Agreed. Special Forces versus Special Ops or CIA v. Military. CIA does as needed Tasking to other agencies and departments so they are spread throughout Federal Government.
This entire twitter discussion might be of interest of anyone wanting to get into the legal weeds.
Some are pointing out that DOJ isn’t appealing the special master, but are appealing the injunction on the DOJ proceeding with their investigation using the materials.
No, they are appealing both. If you read, it says they will not allow the Special Master!
I wonder if President Trump’s attorneys have shown the security video footage to Judge Cannon? It may blow up in the FBI and DOJ’s faces.
Better to save that reveal for the court case once one exists. Right now only one side knows what that footage shows.
So now the FBI & Biden Department of “Justice” leakers are going to spend Millions of Dollars, & vast amounts of Time & Energy, to appeal the Order on the “Raid of Mar-a-Lago Document Hoax,” by a brilliant and courageous Judge whose words of wisdom rang true throughout our Nation, instead of fighting the record setting corruption and crime that is taking place right before their very eyes. They SPIED on my Campaign, lied to FISA COURT, told Facebook “quiet,” preside over worst CRIME WAVE ever!!
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108964722386484609
A banana-in-the-tailpipe republic, if you can keep it …
We may only have kept our republic for about 100 years.
The supreme Court has the power to unilaterally shutdown the FBI and Justice Department.
It’s very clear that this regime is taking over the FBI.
And what’s the supreme Court supposed to do when they are handed one criminally corrupt case after another with FBI/DOJ targeting of political enemies?
Let’s say you are a supreme Court Justice who was handed a case where you can see as clear as day that the FBI had no genuine interest in law enforcement.
Could you then confidently seek a judgment against it without fearing retribution against yourself and your colleagues by that same FBI?
This problem is one that can only be solved quickly by The Supreme Court.
How can the other side win an election if the FBI allows rigging and only targets one side of the political spectrum?
While States could nullify the FBI in the DOJ actions, I see absolutely no movement on this front from so-called conservatives. Their head is in the absolute sand, with no clear understanding what’s about to unfold.
“It’s very clear that this regime is taking over the FBI.”
Its been glaringly obvious for several years that the the Ozero Administration (now in its third term) has already taken over and thoroughly corrupted the FBI, the DOJ, and the DOD.
The CIA was already far beyond any redemption before Nixon resigned.
Only thing preventing the leftist politicisation of FBI, was Hoover.
Once he died, Mueller set about reshaping the FBI, on day one.
Was there a rightist politicization of the FBI under Hoover or was it pure as snow?
It’s the state secret police. Always has been. It works in the service of the state no matter that state’s political ideology.
Who controls the state is the issue. If we seize back control we’ll get the secret police back on our side. In fact, they’ll come running.
The application of power in a new pre-industrial nation occupying a huge empty continent was a completely different kettle of fish from what we face today. As a mature nation, we face all the same issues as any other mature nation. And that means a checkered history to say the least. Nothing stays the same for long and I suppose that includes periods of freedom and dark times.
Good luck to Pres. Trump who fights this alone without meaningful help from anyone.
Your comment is accurate up until this part: “Pres. Trump who fights this alone without meaningful help from anyone…”
To paraphrase the CIA-controlled RINO GHW Bush, what our VSG PDJT has today is a thousand points of fight to help him.
The fight (the political one) comes, and has to come, from the nation itself.
“While States could,…I see absolutely no movement on this front, from so called conservatives.”
Thats because they are “mainstream Republican” RINOS, aligned with BIDEN.
IN order ti assert extreme Federalism, we need MAGA officeholders in STATE government; Legislatures, Governors, SoS’s, AG’s, County Recorders and Boards of Supervisors, a “whole of State Government” effort.
I know this sites name, but I stopped referring to myself as a Conservative, when Romney said he was a “True Conservative”.
I am MAGA-Republican.
I am AmericaFirst Republican.
I am Economic Nationalist/Populist.
I am Deplorable .
I say the same thing when people ask me now: I’m a MAGA Republican. I’m more empowered now to say it than I ever was before Joe Biden’s speech. FJB and the “cabal.”
Joe, you don’t get to intimidate 150-plus million Americans.
Problem is, the Supreme
Court may not want to hear it!
Let’s say you are Justice Thomas with jurisdiction over the federal Circuit for Florida…
He will be crushed by his wife’s involvement with J6 and have to recuse himself.
Words fail. There’s a point at which you just shake your head and wonder if the devil really does buy peoples souls.
He does
Oh, how corrupt they are. Of course they don’t want anyone to see the documents that they “supposedly” retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. They don’t want anyone to know their criminal corruption from the top on down. And those documents are being held by a very small group of trusted criminals in the DOJ, the very ones that the documents expose.
Yep! Anytime you see the deep state or anyone for that matter, opposing “transparency” a red Flagg should go up. The light of sunshine and the truth has no agenda. They are scared!
Lawfare, the web site I presume, are less than honest or knowing of the Law. Their arguments are biased and clearly not thought out past High School level. You might think they could do a better job, but they can’t.
Their https://www.lawfareblog.com/dry-run-ouster-county-official-insurrectionist-creates-ominous-precedents-trump
mimics the reality of a judge who reads whatever he chooses into that decision. Making that decision based on the falsity of an “insurrection” fails completely, for their has been no examination of the dustup on J6 – there’s not a single legal Congressional/House examination of the event. Thus, there’s no way it can be referred to be an “insurrection”.
What DOJ is doing is clearly obstructing justice !!!
It’s like Democrat and democrat. There’s Justice and justice.
Having now read the motion, I am afraid Margot is correct. I doubt there is any LEGAL basis/precedent to force the FBI to turn over the documents marked classified to the special master.
Judge Cannon nor any other judge can just say we don’t trust the DOJ and want someone else to look over your shoulder
They are fighting the STAY, directing them to halt any investigation until the Master sorts out the documents.
Recall the Judge said they could do a “damage accessment”, but any CRIMINAL investigation was to stop (be ‘stayed’) until a Master had reviewed the docs.
And now she is seeking input from PDJT’s attourneys on the defendant (DOJ/FBI) arguments that the docs are SO tippy top secret, that showing them to a Master, in and of itself, would constitute the gravest threat to Natl. Security.
The documents concerning the state’s assassination of former Pres. Kennedy are apparently still tippy top secret. These Trump coup docs would reveal the deep secrets of the deep state. How can they be revealed?
A raid on the offices of the Washington Post?
The FBLie and JustUs Department already leaked the “oh so classified” material to their lapdog media.
They declassed it right there.
There is no case.
And Dutch, as I posted above: the documents are no longer classified. President Trump, the sole single source for authority on classification/declassification (all executive branch departments derive their power from the office of the President as outlined in Art. 2), issued a memo back in January of 2021 stating as such. Thath’s all they need to tell the Judge and present her the Presidential memo citing precedent and case law by Judge Jackson.
I must disagree. Likely, the warrant itself is already illegal.
As was the denial of executive privilege and plenary declassification by a subsequent President. Not happening.
Though it may be true that the FBI cannot be forced to turn over the documents, there is the likely possibility that Pres. Trump has more copies !!!
And if so, some day, those will be revealed.
Oh, HE has copies… and they are in a safe somewhere in bum f–k Egypt. safe and sound
There’s one problem….the documents were declassified by President Trump and documented as such via a White House memo before his last day in office.
Everyone keeps calling these documents “classified” because the DOJ and FBI keep labeling them that way. The DOJ/FBI is not the group who decides whether the docs are classified or not- that was determined back in January of 2021 when the one person declassified the docs with complete and absolute authority on classification: POTUS.
We need to stop calling them classified documents.
And that’s what the Judge should say, citing precedent and case law and then order all documents to go to the special master.
Anyone else recall the DOJ being OK with Hillary’s lawyer reviewing her emails before providing them to the DOJ on a thumb drive?
I seem to recall all kinds of media stories about how great it was, particularly since her lawyer had a clearance to view any potential classified info.
David Kendall? Counsel with clearance?
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-email-thumbdrive-security-120833
Hillary made sure her surrounding employees happened to be her lawyers as well.
…except for her maid who handled and faxed secure documents.
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Jan. 14) — First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton was interviewed under oath today by Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr about the circumstances behind the White House’s gathering of hundreds of sensitive FBI background files on previous White House employees. An administration official says the interview lasted just 15 minutes.
White House spokesman Mike McCurry said the interview took place in the White House residence. Reading from a statement by White House Counsel Charles Ruff, McCurry said Mrs. Clinton was asked about the White House obtaining of FBI file information on former White House employees in 1993 and 1994.
https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/14/hillary/
Hillary Clinton plays the victim — but her history of avoiding criminal charges shows she’s anything but
Surely theres a precedent here in case for Pres Trump?
https://nypost.com/2022/09/07/hillary-clinton-plays-the-victim-despite-history-of-avoiding-criminal-charges/
They either play by the courts rules or they cannot use the courts to prosecute. Go home with your national security trove.
The game of innuendo -or guilt though never tried- is their usual prize.
Their lapdog media will sell it endlessly through the election.
True, but the influence of the Pravda Media wanes minute by minute.
For these leftists, politics is their religion. Since they don’t believe in a God who is in control, they feel that they need to be in control during the relatively short time they have on this planet. Ultimately, they are seeking immortality for themselves through science and technology. They want to be the gods.
They may WANT it, but wantin and gettin, two different animals.
Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Remember when NatSec apparatchiks insisted releasing the so-called “Nunes Memo” would result in people dying? Then once it happened they immediately pivoted to, “it’s actually nothingburger” Both were false.
Never trust the government.
Cont…
Reporter: “Do you think it’s appropriate the way that the former president was storing those top secret and classified documents at his private estate at Mar-a-Lago?”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: “Yeah, I don’t really have any comments on this. This whole investigation has been dominating the news for the last month. I think we’re following it. Like all of you are”
Why can Obama take 30 million classified papers and Trump who declassified papers can’t have them! If a president can declassify anything like obama did, why can’t Trump? Why are Trumps papers considered stolen, and not Obama’s?
the FBI never asked Obamas archiver for any .
Because the FBI works for the Left because the Left controls the state. Everything is operating as intended.
Why are the declassified papers Trump have considered stolen, but Obama’s 30 million are not?
In Obama’s final year, U.S. spent $36 million in FOIA lawsuits
“WASHINGTON — The Obama administration in its final year in office spent a record $36.2 million on legal costs defending its refusal to turn over federal records under the Freedom of Information Act”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obamas-final-year-u-s-spent-36-million-foia-lawsuits
FJB
We vote for a person to deal the most top secret issues; the president. Do any of the the FBI have top secret clearance to see what shouldn’t be seen? I think they are outranked.
Fear and trembling are such reliable giveaways that the cleansing of light on one’s evildoing will do them in.
The corrupt criminal DOJ needs to be shut down.
The biggest issue here is does an individual’s constitutional rights override a government proclaimed unconstitutional decree of ‘national security” without judicial review. Perhaps it will come down the politics of the judiciary who makes the final ruling which in itself is completely unconstitutional. If the district judge or the 11th circuit bends the knee to the DOJ, then it will be up to SCOTUS to determine if the DOJ has this unconstitutional right. This case has huge implications for the future of our nation.
Rachel Maddow will be appointed Special Master.
Only if you will use his correct pronouns.
Did they get the Russia hoax docs or not?
If yes can they ever be released
Can donald trump get his game back by separating himself from the vac and exposing this corruption?
Why wasn’t team trump prepared for election fraud?
“Why wasn’t team trump prepared for election fraud?”
Team Trump may just be Trump. What about being prepared to have the Gestapo raid his home(s). Was he prepared for that too?
There may be a plan but we’re sure not in on it. Until we are, I’m not sure we can succeed.
Why weren’t we prepared and vigilant on the conversion of our educational system to indoctrination ?
That’s a little different although worse.
Everyone knew fraud was coming. Sundance wrote that they weren’t serious unless they included true the vote, which they didn’t until 2000 mules.
‘When the agency in power to seize documents, seizes documents that carry evidence of the corruption within the agency by weaponizing tactical lawfare to keep evidence of their corrupt activities from the public…’
I don’t believe if so ordered, the DOJ-NSD will turn over ALL the seized ‘corrupt activities’ documents to any special master types, even one of their own, as the left seems to get away with ignoring Court orders.
Facebook has blocked this information as “abusive”.
Fecesbook has turned people I used to like into emotionally incontinent, unstable mouthbreathers.
It has destroyed the critical reasoning abilities of so many Americans with its REEEEEEEEEE screaming leftarded spew and censorship.
People can’t just discuss things with others any longer.
Don’t abuse the abusive Masters.
It often occurs to me that every one of the people involved in this FBI raid are on the public dole. They get salaries from “the government” and “the government” is us.
It seems to me that if “the government” received fewer tax dollars there will have to be reductions in numbers of government employees.
Is there any way we can lessen our tax burden so there is less money for these people?
I do not have a clue at this point but we have to stop this lawlessness somehow.
Here ya go: precinctproject.com
Burn it all down
Less laws with 5 year review. Get to eye for an eye lawfare. You damage me I get to damage you. PERIOD. Screw the namby pamby rehab that has been encouraged for the last 60 years. Progressive is BS
The irreparable harm they’re concerned with is the exposure of their crimes and corruption. Anyone that stands in their way is risking their own safety and that includes judges. If they’re bold enough to threaten the judge who ordered a 3rd party review, they’re capable of pure evil. Remember, Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself. They’re committed to doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to cover up their heinous crimes.
The overall sound of it is desperation.
The DOJ is weaponized and no longer an unbiased organization seeking the truth! It is weaponized against Republicans in general, and Trump in particular. Every move it makes should be scrutinized and double checked. We do not live in a dictatorship YET, though it appears we are heading that way.
“We do not live in a dictatorship YET,”
Proof ?
This is astounding. DoJ/NSD states that allowing (or requiring them to allow) one, independent, qualified, impartial arbiter to view their seized documents will irreparably damage the government and nat sec??? They’re backed into a corner on this. They know it and we know it.
PDJT is 24601, he stole a loaf of bread and toiled for 20 long years, look down!
DOJ/FBI admit they took personal records that had nothing to do with the search warrant. Check the last line. Pg.5 of filing
Among other things, the government’s upcoming filing will confirm that it plans to make available to Plaintiff copies of all unclassified documents recovered during the search—both personal records and government records—and that the government will return Plaintiff’s personal items that were not commingled with classified records and thus are of likely diminished evidentiary value.
How would the FBI know what is a “threat to national security” when they have such a poor record of stopping terrorist attacks from known “national security threats” ?
Contempt of court should be handed out like candy….
The DOJ-NSD sounds more than a little miffed by a judge (DC) that is not just rubber stamping and laundering their misconduct. Not a criminal expert but when do you get to the stage of challenging the underlying warrant, tossing everything and returning the items to the owner?
The Judge should issue a two word opinion and let the chips fall where they may. After all, her appointment is for life.
Petition Denied.
People need to stop blaming Obama and Holder. They just carried forth with the team deployed post Clinton in the media and continued with the mission set out by him in the 90’s. How’s that ol’ “we’ll topple the Communists in China by trading with them” working out for ya? It took them 20 years to get their precious healthcare. They got it.
If Trump’s lawyers are up to it, they should put retired Admiral Mike Rodgers as their first choice for a special master. I’m sure that he’s still got his security clearances. Second choice would be John Ratcliff. Third would be Ric Grennell. Let the DoJ start to argue against them… Judge should also mention that the DoJ’s submittal threatening an appeal to the 11th Circuit is contrary to the decorum of her court and is duly noted for the future. I’d just tell them to try. Their claim of “irreparable harm” from the injunction is laughable because all it will do is disrupt the Democrat’s timeline for the “October Surprise” of arresting Trump just before the general election. The DoJ’s offer to give Trump “copies” of the documents that they seized that even the Government admits are either privileged attorney-client documents and/or irrelevant tax and personal health records, is quite frankly disgusting. Since they’ve admitted that, the judge should order the immediate return of those documents along with a detailed list of who on the investigative team has seen those documents along with certification that all copies of those documents, both hard-copy or electronic have been destroyed upon pain of being jailed on contempt of court charges. Also put the DoJ on the hook for personally guaranteeing that no leaks of these documents will happen in the future, again upon pain of criminal contempt of court charges. Give them 24 hours to comply and certify the return of the documents and certification of the destruction of the documents.
Burn it down
Hank-Stand by, because before we employ your pyromaniacal talents, we have constitutional means to ‘burn it down!’
Ah, I thought you’d like the sound of those words!
You see, Hank, what our subconscious minds accept reflexively about our form of government, and most especially in regard to the current tyrannical behavior of the federal government, is simply wrong…but I know it’s ingrained!
The actual seat of power of our form of government is not Washington DC, the House, the Senate, or the Oval Office, but it is rather the assembly of our fifty states, these United States of America, that grants all powers to the federal government, and through this convention of states, if you will, it can alter or revoke that grant of power to the federal government in regard to every particular regarding its manner of budgeting, its banking regulations, its legal standards, its tax regulations, its constitutional provisions concerning the rights of citizens, preferential treatment of one race over the other, free speech rights, election procedures etc.
It’s finally time, Hank, to push that constitutional, red alert button marked nuclear in order to convene a Convention of the States as provided by Article V of the United States government.
If we do not avail ourselves of this resource, Hank, we will certainly rue the day, because the biblical time of ‘weeping and gnashing of teeth’ is already thrust upon us, and we must now act. Any fool can see that. Our country is without doubt in the throes of grave peril, and we must fully utilize our constitutional powers over the federal government to salvage our essential constitutional framework that our founders wisely granted to these fifty United States of America nearly two hundred thirty-one years ago. The founders did indeed foresee that this day would come. And now it is here!
Article V of the United States Constitution. It’s time to set the terms of employment of the federal government.
COTUS was created through much death. When we wrote Japan’s Constitution which I believe survives to this day, it was only after nuking a substantial number of their citizens, not to mention killing scores of civilians and military conventionally. Think we would have written it, and they followed it, if we had not unconditionally defeated them through killing and war?
How are things right now? Over a century ago my family had to decide red or white, who was going to dominate. They were whites, ordinary farmers, and the Reds were coming for them. We saw what happened, the tens of millions killed over the decades. They made the right choice, GTFO, or else I wouldn’t have been born and they’d all have been killed. That’s how real life works.
A con-con can eliminate 1A,2A, and any other item in the BOR and Constitution.
Anyone advocating a con-con is either fully uninformed of the dangers or wants to destroy the Constitution and further the destruction of America.
Because the cheating in the con-con votes will be bigger than 2020.
With all due respect, the gravest constitutional harms were done specifically by amendments to the Constitution which must be repealed.
Several of these passed between 1913 and 1920, and effectively altered the character of the United States as a republic and turned it into a democracy. Moreover, the 22nd Amendment, passed in 1951, was approved for strictly political reasons at a time when an extraordinarily popular Republican presidential candidate, Dwight D. Eisenhower, threatened to be as transformative as FDR.
The result of this 22nd Amendment turned the 3 coequal branches of the United States into a lopsided, bloated, legislative-dominant power structure pitting long-serving legislators and judges against short-term presidents.
Gee, who has the greater advantage in establishing cooperative alliances with members of the other branches, the senators and judges in their fortieth year of service, or the short-serving President of the United States whose policies will oftentimes clash with these unholy alliances? And which members of the three branches will most likely be persecuted under this lopsided structure?
Our current problems are structural, a fact many overlook as they proudly and complacently read through the original seven articles of the Constitution and its Bill of Rights, not realizing that the character of the United States as envisioned in those seven articles and Bill of Rights was irremediably altered by later amendments.
Let us not be victims of our own naivety. The original constitution is now merely a quaint historical document that was superseded by more far-reaching alterations which paved the way to our current state of decay.
Hmmm, you make no mention of the 17th Amendment, the most egregious of them…
I’m a bit surprised that the general tenor of my comments could raise suspicions as to my true intentions.
If you read the second paragraph above, you will see that your point is really at the heart of what I was trying to convey.
I used to think that a few new amendments to the Constitution might be a way to rein in the government. But now I see the futility of that approach. The Constitution we have now is nearly perfect, there is no point in changing it.
The problem is that the Constitution has proven to be about as effective at limiting the powers of government as gun laws are at keeping guns from criminals. For the same reason, too: criminals don’t care about the law.
In order for our Constitution to work, you must have a moral, ethical God fearing society!
That was what the Framers of the Constitution believed. Personal self-control is essential for self government.
No, you must have principles over morality.
The Sheppard’s today are currently just as guilty of shackling their flocks to martyrisum, as the government is in buying the Shepards participation.
And a functioning Dept. of Justice?
That is why it is up to the states and citizens to send representatives that act on our behalf and support the constitution. There are too many that go to the Swamp to subvert the Constitution, gain power and money and further their socialist agenda.
We get what we vote into office.
What good would it be to change our constitution—which they don’t NOW follow—what makes you think they would follow a NEW CONSTITUTION? It is dangerous to have an ART V convention predicated on the silly notion that a NEW constitution would fix things! We need MORE Article 3 courts who must follow the constitution. We did have them, until ADMIRALTY Courts took their place. The Supreme Court is about the only ART 3 court we have left. Additionally, delegates to such a convention have plenipotentiary powers and are NOT obliged to follow ANY state’s instructions. Re read the Federalist papers. This junk of a “convention to add a few amendments “ told to the states in 1786 resulted in tossing out our Articles of Confederation, our FIRST constitution, and writing a completely NEW one with an easier mode of ratification. Please, think before you jump on the “convention of states” (a term found NOWHERE in our constitution) train to hell.
The constitution gives Art III courts original jurisdiction over all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction. Don’t get caught up in this Admiralty court/yellow-fringed flag nonsense.
A convention is a complete waste of time. The outcome would be totally undecided.
It seems like there is a large contingency flailing around that sees this as “the answer” when in fact it’s more like an exercise that leads no where.
For those reasons it will probably have to happen so that it can be moved past.
Convention of States Project, who pushes this idea flaty admits it. Also, if you pay attention to who’s steering that so-called movement it’s a pile of Republicans heading off their wayward followers to the pass. Rick Santorum, Jim Demint, etc.
My apologies on being direct but all that idea does is slow the required change down.
I admire your directness. Robbie George, attorney with Meckler, leader of convention of states, has already drafted a new constitution with restrictions on gun right—i.e., red flag laws embedded. You are correct, so many Republicans have bought this junk!!! I saw the latest tax return of convention of states and the donors are not the general public little guy very much—the bulk are huge donors—2,000–$2,000,000. Why are all these heavy hitters wanting to get their hands on our beloved constitution. Noel Webster was asked to go over every word of the constitution for clarity so that it said what it said and did not say what it did not say. He later, in 1828, wrote his first dictionary. I have one and you need it when reading our constitution. His dictionary is still for sale.
Well written, but the Article indicates that 38 States would have to decide together to hold such a Convention. It may be impossible to get at least 3/4 of the States to participate. Ratification would allow all fifty States to vote on ratification on the Senate floor.
Well, no it doesn’t. It says 38 states would have to ratify any amendments coming out of a convention. Ratification is by either state legislature OR state convention in the 50 states , the mode of ratification to be determined by congress.
I guess the Article I was referring to was Article V of the Constitution. Regardless of how the Convention is done, it will still take at least 34 States to participate, each on their own. Any ratification of any changes coming from this process would require a 3/4 majority vote by the Senate and all States, who did not participate in the Convention, would still get to participate in that vote. I say that getting a 3/4 vote in the Senate is a non-starter. We might want it to happen, but there would be no chance of getting what we want and passing it in that environment. This is the long version of my reply to the first posting by donaldthegreat20.
Martin Van Buren was VP during the nullification crisis. He was the political power of NY state through what was called the “Regency”. Pres Jackson sent him to NY to draft a resolution for the NY legislature to approve countering the arguments of the South Carolina legislature in favor of nullification doctrine. Van Buren’s resolution did provide a refutation of nullification theory, but he went further into a more philosophical discussion. He pointed out that while the general government (as they tended to refer to it at that time) had three separate and co-equal branches as check and balance, all three had a vested interest in increasing the powers of the general government relative to the states. In his view, Art V convention was the only vehicle to redress the balance of power between federal and state government. Where in my mind he failed, is that he assumed all states would jealously guard their own power relative to the federal power. He didn’t perceive that some states would gladly turn their powers over to the feds.
You can find this and other interesting views from the 1830s on original intent online in “State Papers on Nullification” published in 1834.
A CoS is a dangerous gambit. When the limitations of the current Constitution are and have been roundly ignored for decades, what purpose would a new set of rules serve?
You might recall from history that our current Constitution arose from a convention called to amend the original Articles of Confederation.
Lock them all inside first.
Read Hayek’s Road to Serfdom to see how this plays out.
When the state acquires bold actors without ethics, look out.
Sure, corrupt DOJ, but it was perfectly OK for Hillary’s personal LAWYER to review all of the classified emails that were on her server. And, she wasn’t even president, only Sec of State who had NO constitutional authority to de-classify. This shit needs to stop.
They always throw everything they want hidden by using the NATIONAL SECURITY excuse. Do you remember when they redacted the $30,000 conference table that FBI McCabe purchased with taxpayer money? I hate these people.
70,000 $ if I recall correctly. 🙄
I would say that the DOJ/FBI confiscation of the framed “Time” magazine cover under the pretext of “National Security” invalidates the entire raid. Um bridled power to do whatever is what they want.
Getting ready to hear Merrick “Mitto” Garland AGAIN spout his favorite phrase “without fear or favor”!
Did you know that it’s a felony to use security classifications to conceal criminal conduct? Anybody with a security clearance knows this because it’s in all the annual training.
That’s why the Left went bonkers over Trump declassifying “the Nunes Memo” years ago. There wasn’t a word in it that met any of the requirements of security classification. They were using security classifications to cover up illegal conduct by FBI and DOJ employees. So, not only was the illegal conduct being outed, the standard firewall of using security classification markings to cover up the illegal conduct was being breached.
I see where this could be headed now !!!!!