A comprehensively corrupt and politically motivated U.S. Justice Department has appealed the part of Judge Cannon’s previous order appointing a special master with authority to review documents the FBI collected at Mar-a-Lago last month. [Appeal for ‘stay’ pdf motion Here]
The corrupt and politically motivated Lawfare prosecutors state they have serious concerns about handing government secrets to a third party and will not allow it.
In essence, the DOJ-NSD, an agency within the justice department created by Eric Holder, is claiming no one outside the DOJ-NSD should be allowed to review the documents they have defined as “national security” interests. Main Justice really, really doesn’t want anyone seeing what the DOJ-NSD are defining.
The DOJ lawyers begin by telling the judge she must respond to them on their timeline, or else they will go to the eleventh circuit court of appeals and have them block her ruling. Do as we say, or else…
The majority of the rest of the motion for the Judge to stay her own prior ruling, surrounds various claims of national security compromise.
If the DOJ is forced to let an independent arbiter look at what they are doing, irreparable harm may ensue.
When the agency in power to seize documents, seizes documents that carry evidence of the corruption within the agency by weaponizing tactical lawfare to keep evidence of their corrupt activities from the public, this is what happens.
Our justice system was politically weaponized by Barack Obama and Eric Holder. The aftermath of their compromise has collapsed the credibility and authority of the institution; however, most people just haven’t admitted it yet.
Perhaps Judge Cannon will.
The DOJ have not proved they are in any way interested in real justice in the US. Only someone totally outside and with a track record of honest upholding of the law can review and assess the actions of the DOJ and materials “found.”
So what are the legalities of this situation? Does DOJ really have any rationale for blocking a special master. Documents could be for both Attorney/client and Executive Privilege.
There is a ton of social media in support of doj appeal but the comments i read cite absolutely no facts or law. Just emotional tripe.
So what are the legalities of this situation?
A. Rape and pillage…
I agree re “emotional tripe” (I like that)….the comments by others in MSM and social media lacked merit, and even Barr refused to quantify any grounds.
I think not a good case for blocking. Their assertion is that any judicial officer (and it would make no difference whether a SM [essentially acts with the authority and ultimate supervision of and by a DC judge], a DC judge, COA judge or SCOTUS Justice) has no business or authority to actually see and/or assess any aspect of the classified marked documents. It’s a striking position where the investigation is over the “legal” right of Trump to have possessed or exercised any dominion over them, much less a criminal charge on any of the cited criminal statutes in the warrant. Bottom line however is that they sought a judicial warrant (order) to seize them.Are they, in fact and law, classified? Or declassified? Or re-classified by Biden at some point? Implicitly, the court has jurisdiction/authority over the actions taken to seize them, the basis for the seizure and over the things seized as well. I see its possible for expert testimony to be heard on many issues here with the SM and, ultimately the DC judge herself, to make rulings. The fact that the DOJ seems to have gone apoplectic over the SM order suggests to me they are desperate to avoid any oversight and prying eyes they don’t control. At this point I think the raid was pretextual to obtain control of the Russia-gate and CH docs that Trump apparently declassified.
This is going to be interesting. Very interesting. We need an honest judge who has character to stand up for the law wherever it takes her. But a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted against the assertions of the DOJ at this point. The leaks to the WAPO and NYT undermine the DOJ like an aggressive cancer. I can see a judge determining that the leaks are prima facie evidence that the documents are not truly classified…..anymore…if they ever were. And of bad faith by the DOJ. Ultimately responsibility for the leaks come back to the NSD of the DOJ and FBI.
Thank you for this excellent response. I will need to read it a couple more times but get your general idea.
how can documents from Trump civil case against D.C. DS, that mirrors the Russiagate charges, be distinguished from Nat security or civilian attorney client privilege in the civil case without a SM
I was surprised by the skepticism she set out in her order. I think she’s got this IF & IT’S A BIG IF she has the guts to continue on. I have no doubt she’s already been doxxed & threatened.
And the Feds won’t protect her. Not on this one!!
From your fingers to God’s ears. I pray the judge shares your vision
The law regarding Search Warrants should take precedence over all of the DOJ cry baby BS. The person served has rights given by law and the Judge will surely make sure those rights are upheld, as Her Honor has done so far. The Judge should hold Garland in contempt and send him to jail immediately for that filing alone. And mentioned already, the Leaks need to be investigated by the Court and not the DOJ/FBI.
DoJ observed none of the rights of the searched person or the protocols for the searched area so I am not sure what you are talking about
Judge needs to tell them to pound sand.
She doesn’t have to rule on this obnoxious Motion.
She can just ignore it. And she should.
Let them try and get a stay from the Eleventh, against an District Order imposing an enjoinder … a stay.
They are basically asking the Circuit to be allowed to run wild during the appeal. Doesn’t work that way.
The.11th Circuit has a majority of Trump appointees: 6 to 5 (O 3, Cl. 1, W 1)
These judges are all southerners, and 4 of them were taken from states’ appeals and supreme courts; only one was promoted from U.S. District Judge. They were recommended by the Federalist Society, which supports constitutional originalism, not a “living Constitution”.
I think that because Judge Cannon supports a special master, Trump will have an excellent chance of prevailing on appeal. Conservative Circuit Courts uphold conservative District Courts’ rulings much more often than they reverse–if they frequently reversed , it would reduce the public’s confidence in federal trial judges. Moreover, Harmeet Dhillon opines that a U.S. District Judge’s order for a special master may not even be appealable per Eleventh Circuit precedent.
Judge Cannon graduated from Michigan Law, magna cum laude, Order of the Coif, law review. Michigan Law is a venerated law school that has produced THREE SCOTUS justices, as well as law school deans, and innumerable law professors.
If the 11th circuit upholds Judge Cannon’s order, she’ll be reassured that she has good judgment. She may see the DOJ’s actions as being politically-motivated, not fair-justice-motivated. If Ms. Dhillon is right, the DOJ will prove that its prosecutors are incompetent.
The judge’s previous decision to appoint a Special Master threw a serious monkey wrench into the Deep State’s plans for indicting President Trump.
And so the DOJ’s lawfare-istic response to the judge’s decision is pretty much along the lines of what I have been expecting. If she doesn’t comply with their demands, they will simply go over her head to a higher court.
Here’s another facet of the current situation.
The investigations against Donald Trump now in progress in Georgia and in New York State are an insurance policy against the possibility that the forthcoming federal indictments against PDJT are thwarted somehow.
In pursuing a lawfare war against Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, the lawfare warriors know that multiple lines of attack are necessary to insure that at least one of them succeeds.
IMHO, DOJ and FBI have nothing against Trump, they are planning on fabricating it as they go along.
That’s why they can not allow _anyone_ at this stage of the game to take a look at the goods… the required fabrications do not exist yet.
This is a complete BANANA REPUBLIC meets KGB/Gestapo.
That is exactly first thought, too.
I agree the objective is an indictment not a conviction. A conviction would simply be a happy surprise for them. As Sundance has said ” the process is the punishment”.
There will be no justice until someone in power says “The truth is more important than national security “
National security hinges on Truth. Truth declared, asserted, and defended BOLDLY.
What “National Security”? This is Obiden Crime Syndicate Security.
It’s not Law. It’s Anti-Law.
Facinating that the DoJ did not even hesitate to just casually insult Federal Judges as totally UNTRUSTWORTHY when it comes to dealing with classified materials.
They did it in writing no less.
Actually, I think it may be worse: any and all Special Masters are at worst inherently untrustworthy and at best a threat to National Security… and Ms. Judge is an idiot for even proposing otherwise, let alone ordering it.
All those lawfare criminals need to be prosecuted. They keep leaking to the NY Slime and WaPo yellow journalists. They make me sick!!💁🏻♀️
But who will do it? Who CAN do it?
Retired Seal Team 6
Like the movie “Shooter”
Supreme Court Justice for the 11th circuit is Clarence Thomas.
YES!!!!!
HOORAY
Who is effectively Chief Justice – John Roberts can’t tie his shoes.
Andrew Weissmann thru a temper tantrum on Twitter the other day about this. I’ll bet Lawfare never saw this coming.
This unethical dirtball should have had his ticket pulled after Enron.
All the Enron/Arthur Andersen Fed prosecutors are still pulling the same crap 20 years later
License to Lie, book by Sidney Powell.
If things ever go hot he should be first up.
cannon resists…makes partial compromise.
DOJ/FBI may “work” with ODNI to make national security assessment wrt to “dirty” classmat.
but preserves and enforces the order that DOJ may not continue to work through ANY evidence they collected wrt to ANY criminal investigation.
DOJ will NOT BE satisfied with this modified order by Cannon.
DOJ appeals to 11th. 11th upholds DOJ argument.
President Trump files motion to appeal this ruling (yes, he has standing here. clearly..plaintiff!)
11th rejects appeal.
President Trump appeals to SCOTUS.
four (4) major legal issues now:
obviously, the 4th amendment. (warrant and the execution of it was too broad)
presidential executive privilige and power to declass and retain and even retain classmat as he see fit, AFTER LEAVING OFFICE.
attorney-client privilege protections.
and then the last, the really big one: who wins primacy wrt to presidential executive power and priviledge…an existing potus who may unwind a former potus using the same executive powers…essentially nulling any declass back into blackhole status and also removing unclass and classmat from a former potus possession? Who wins? conundrum…both have equal presidential executive powers over this matter. Q: has joe malarkey ACTUALLY ORDERED that the unclass be re-re-classified?
we KNOW what this is about, but it is important to repeat it: DOJ/FBI committed several criminal acts, with penalty charges up to treason. The evidence of these crimes, will show motive, and intent to commit a conspiracy (rico). This material WAS highly redacted and has never been released to the public. Presdient Trump had grennel and then later ratcliffe declassify these documents. We can refer to these documents as they relate to cross fire hurricane operation. (but the entire volume and tranche of documents likely involves far more than we have awaress (at this time). President Trump retained these declassified documents to be used for two major strategies:
as leverage against a jackboot DOJ/FBI (and others?)
to be used in the Trump vs. Clinton (rico) case which would prove several crimes did happen, by whom and for what reason/motives.
The DOJ is now going nuclear
one very interesting note: does it occur to anyone that John Durham has NOT argued before this judge or any from his SC team? so quiet that guy. You would think a real live investigation going on at the SC durham team over matters involving crossfire hurricane would have him pacing before judge cannon day and night trying to preserve the materials evidence that SURELY his team is pursung, no?
or maybe no.
(we know the answer to that one als0)
be prepared this is how it will all play out:
goes to scotus…scotus balks and punts. Judge Thomas in dissent , exclaims: “inexplicable”.
DOJ files indictment, tries and then sentences President Trump to serious jail time.
Biden does NOT pardon…doubles down.
America goes to war.
God Bless America
so much speculation and chasing of the tails…get some sleep
Durham has no role here. The DOJ can’t loop him in without admitting what they actually stole was Crossfire Hurricane materials.
I don’t think Cannon compromises. Not after DOJ’s leak of evidence to the Washington Post this week which destroys their claims of protecting national security secrets. (The existence of a secret is also a secret…so the leak may haunt them.). Cannon could easily cite the leak as proof positive that the DOJ has absolutely no control over the documents they seized.
DOJ tries to appeal to 11th Circuit, probably loses, but even if they win, Cannon can appeal to the full court (en banc review ala Emit Sullivan) and she prevails. DOJ’s only recourse is SCOTUS where they will lose by at LEAST 6-3, maybe even 9-0 and SCOTUS quashes the warrant entirely.
DOJ has been in 100% defensive posture since the raid. They have been forced to disclose just about everything despite their protests. That which they concealed (redacted affidavit) made them look even worse. Now they’ve lost the S/M which exposes their robbery of CH documents to people not involved in the plot to overthrow Pres Trump.
They are 100% defensive mode. Hence the various leaks and the threats.
Q: has any of the redacted declass material been released to anyone, public or even in a court record filing?
see?
DOJ is not as weak and defensive as you make them out to be. They have been very effective blocking the redacted declass and classmat wrt cross fire hurricane.
so much so, they have created a trap for President Trump…go ahead make my day, leak them, talk about them, (or we will just manufacture evidence that you have), and you will be served with obstruction…
they are going full in.
cannon is just one judge. same with thomas. DOJ will keep playing until they win the lottery..
God Bless America
Well then We The People know what must be done.
I disagree. The DOJ expected to be able to keep EVERYTHING under seal. They have failed at this which is why their accusations keep shifting. Each time they get sunlight, another fallback lie is required. With the exception of the redacted affidavit, which the corrupt judge agreed to in order to protect himself, they have yet to win an argument for hiding info from the public or Trump. The warrant was released. Supporting docs were released. Their hilariously vague inventory was released. The affidavit was released (and the redactions make DOJ look evil). They’ve been forced to admit leaking privileged and investigative materials. And a S/M has been ordered.
Now they have a judge telling them they can’t use anything they seized to support their investigation. That means their plans to falsify evidence to get a fast indictment of Trump is on hold.
If they had a case, they’d make it. They don’t have one. So they issue ultimatums.
Let’s hope the judge sees this for what it is and throws a spear through their chests.
Here is another facet of the current situation. The investigations against Donald Trump now in progress in Georgia and in New York State are an insurance policy against the possibility that the forthcoming federal indictments against PDJT are thwarted somehow.
In pursuing their lawfare war against Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, the lawfare warriors know that multiple lines of attack are necessary to insure that at least one of them succeeds. And so if PDJT isn’t indicted by the DOJ for a federal crime, he will be indicted in Georgia and in New York for a state and/or a local crime.
I question the new fact that Biden ordered the Mar Lago raid. Biden is behind this whole thing. Or his handlers are …or Obama
And then you woke up
reti, The 11th Circuit will very likely uphold Judge Cannon’s order for a special master:
I think you should post this at the top of every page of comments in order to maintain some semblance of logical, critical thinking rather than going for the quick draw at least 5 times on every page.
One more thing. The 11th Circuit judges are Southern gentlemen. They don’t take kindly to full-o-themselves smart-aleck DC and NYC Yankees, especially power-trippin’ ones.
Documents labeled “classified” are not always the same as classified documents. Sounds like DOJ is afraid that will be found out. If the documents were that sensitive then there would not have been a “leaked” photo of them thrown on the floor. This charade needs to end. Praying the judge will stand firm and not be pressured into playing their backyard no rules brawl. The corruption doesn’t end until someone stands up to the corruption and coercion from the bullies!
They’re worried about the documents Trump declassified which describe, in detail, their corruption. A S/M would QUICKLY root that out because the only way to know what is privileged and what is not is to review EVERYTHING. That means the S/M would quickly learn the true purpose of the smash and grab robbery.
Exactly! I heard a news story the other day pushing the “documents with classified markings” word salad. Sounds terrible. It ain’t.
From a simplistic mind. If he has a copy of the documents on Russiagate , just publish them online from many sites or make hundreds of copies and pass them to Scotus etc.
It’s been reported they even have Trump’s medical records. I would bet any medical records generated by the WH physician are marked “classified”
Of course they are, the President’s schedule is classified, which maybe 100’s of the “classified” documents
How many men with guns does Judge Cannon command? That is ultimately what it comes down to in a post-constitutional government, when all semblance of separation of equal powers evaporates.
Several million would be my conservative estimate.
U.S. Marshals vs. the gang that can’t shoot straight? I like those odds!
… cover up, cover up, cover up…
Their MO!
OK. Judge could order the SM be appointed in 48 hours. When they don’t do it, she dismisses the case with prejudice, contempts DOJ lawfare hacks, and reports all involved to their respective bar associations.
Go big or go home, Judge.
The Judge already laid out the rules.
Go back to the original hearing and resulting court order. The Judge will appoint the Special Master from a “joint” list provided by the DoJ and President Trump.
The DoJ and President Trump have until TOMORROW (9 September 2022), per the Judge’s Original Order, to provide her with an “agreed upon” list of candidates.
Hopefully President Trump’s Team has their list ready, so when the deadline hits and DoJ has not participated in assembling a “list”… President Trump’s Team submits their list in good faith per the Judges Order.
Now the go big part…on 10 September the Judge states that she has a list of candidates….then watch the fire works.
Special master Rick granell he all ready had top clearance sounds good to me
Grenell for special master! Perfect.
He came to my mind too. Alas, he’s not a lawyer so he’s not expert in attorney-client-privileged documents.
My picks would be:
Kash Patel former DOJ-former National Security Division prosecutor, former COS to SecDef
John Ratcliff-former US Attorney, former House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence member; former Director of National Intelligence
Matt Whitaker-former acting U.S. Attorney General
DOJ might block their appointment by claiming they are potential witnesses in the case
So, they might have to find a U.S. District or Court of Appeals judge who’s done national security/terrorism cases. He or she could be active, senior status., or retired.
and be willing to step into the fire
Sooooo , something can be done
Biden’s DOJ crossed the point on no return when they raided Trump’s home. They cannot turn back. This is a fight to the the death. Either Trump wins or the Republic dies.
The speech by Biden is foreshadowing what is to come. Another grand jury for Trump, Bannon arrested, swatted leaders like MTG.
Too many traitors within Republican party. Barr, Durham, McConnell, McCarthy, etc.
Either Pres. Trump wins or the Republic dies.
I get the impression Pres. Trump knew this going in.
The blatant hostility & the absolute arrogance it takes for the doj to dictate orders to a federal judge may very well raise Judge Cannon’s hackles.
You’re all in with that?Really? I call.
At least that’s where I’m praying that she goes.
Can’t have the public getting a glimpse of how they work, except of course when they themselves illegally leak to a compliant media.
The question I have is what type of “leverage” they will apply outside court filings on Judge Cannon.
You know, trying to influence, intimidate a Judge is nothing new. DOJ needs to pay for this bs.
The Scalia pillow treatment.
the sooner they all get the rope, the better of we’ll be as a nation.
out of 535, only 35 or so are worthy of another breath
Can’t even imagine 35. More like 5. Maybe 2.
Maybe 20
I was watching S4E5 of Nazi Megastructures yesterday which contained this bit and couldn’t help reflect upon this Governments “Media Strategy” over the last couple of years.
“[Narrator]: In 1930’s Germany Adolf Hitler claims he is the savior who will lead the country out from the shadow of World War 1 defeat. Dr Joseph Geobbels, his brilliant head of propaganda, identifies the device that will help Hitler win over the nation.
[Presenter]: One of the Nurember rallies Hitler can talk to thousands of Germans, but through radio you could speak to the entire nation.
[Narrator]: Geobbels’ master stroke is to launch a cheap, state produced radio, massively boosting public radio ownership. As Hitler comes to power in 1933, the Volksempfanger, or people’s receiver, becomes the coduit by which the Nazis’ warped doctrine reaches German households. Over the next six years, radio ownership almost quadrples.
[Presenter]: On the eve of war, there are more radios in Germany and per household than anywhere else in the entire world, including the United States.
[Narrator]: Having a propaganda tool in German households is only useful if Goebbels can unlock its power. To do so, he bans other voices in the media. In 1935, 1,600 publications are closed down. In 1938, 10,000 more are outlawed. Radio becomes the mouthpiece for Nazi propaganda, skillfully blended into everyday schedules, to make the Nazi message seem acceptable.
[Presenter]: He completely takes over all private radio stations, it all comes under his control. What Goebbels understands is you can’t just have Hitler’s speeches blaring out 24/7, there has to be other stuff, and part of the drip-drip-drip effect of the message that he’s trying to get across is interspersing that with other material. So, music, comedy, other stuff. That is what makes it so effective. It’s that crucial mixture.
[Narrator]: The repeated messages of propaganda are simple, patriotic and deliberately divisive, identifying enemies to despise promotes a sense of unity and racial superiority.
[Presenter]: Goebbels’ great mantra is repeat, repeat, repeat. It’s not one message. Its, “Hitler is our savior.”, “Hitler is a genius.”, “We are right.”, “Jews are bad”. These are messages that are just repeated over and over, and the whole nation is effectely brainwashed.
~Nazi Megastructures S4:E5 – Hitler’s Propaganda Machine”
Bill Barr going around saying anything that will hurt Trump, including bashing the decision of this judge.
Obviously, Bill doesn’t want his own dirt in undermining Trump to be made visible.
Here’s attorney Robert Barnes’ “rant,” as he calls it, on Bill Barr, someone he warned us about:
https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/upost/2701608/the-barnes-brief-wednesday-september-7-2022
This is a good example of why making your organisations prime requisite ideology, not professional competence, is a bad idea. As Robert Barnes, on Viva Frei, commented, the original DOJ objection to a SM was very poorly argued and this appeal seems similarly childish.
This once again illustrates the problem for the Left, their ideological achilles heel, so to speak. The people who are now in control of the levers of power and the minions who grease the mechanisms are by and large idiots, used to getting their own way. If they are blocked, in anyway, their mask is ripped off and their short comings exposed. We see it in this appeal; we see it in Amazons reaction to their Rings of Woke abomination being panned, we see it in the recent military operations from Afghanistan to Ukraine and we see it on Tik-Tok videos of screaming Karens.
They are used to winning by cheating, bullying and mindless incantations and sacrifices to their new, ever-changing ‘gods’, not due to merit, exeptionalism or good old hard graft. It’s why the MAGA movement, that embraces those traditional determiners of success, is so easily hated by these demi-achievers. It is a mirror that forces them to see their true selves, a mirror that, however hard they try, remains unbreakable.
Lawyers with Top Secret clearance are a dime a dozen around DC, including EVERY current, former, and retired Special Agent with the FBI. Surely there is one that is sufficiently NOT biased who can take a look and get back to the judge and tell her it is all bullshit, and THAT is what the DOJ is scared of. On top of that, it really meses up their timeline to roll out a Trump indictment in October.
I agree, heck I even had a TS working at my Professional Civilian Job and Military Job with all sorts of special tickets.
Even reactivating a TS is a rather quick process.
See my post above . Hopefully President Trump’s team moves forward to comply with the Judge’s Order to submit a list of candidates by 9 September 2022, even if the DoJ refuses to meet with president Trump. The president’s Team just documents that the DoJ refused to meet and adds that to their list.
On 10 September, she shrugs her shoulders, swings her gavel and says “I have a list of candidates”.
The fire works will be epic.
I’m surprised DOJ even filed the motion for a partial stay. Why not just ignore the court order altogether? It wouldn’t be the first time.
If the DOuJ prevails at the 11th Circuit, it could then go to the Supreme Ct. Clarence Thomas is responsible for the 11th circuit 🙂
Wow.
Well then it looks like Judge Cannon would be best served by not delegating responsiblity to a Special Master.
Maybe she will have to do it herself.
The audacity! If I were the judge., I’d tell them to return every paper they took!
Quash the warrant! Return everything immediately.
And, of course, Bill Barr went right on FOX and stated he was in agreement to appeal the ruling. He practically said Judge Cannon didn’t know what she was talking about. His head is pretty far up Garland’s keister.
Does John Ratcliffe still have a Security Clearance? Does he have a Law Degree?
Sounds like a solution… but what the hell do I know…
A security clearance can be automatically reinstated within 2 years after a debrief. That does not mean you have a need to know.
Right… but Ratcliffe has likely already seen every single document that was sitting in Mar-a-Lago… at least the juicy ones that everybody’s losing their Schiff over.
“Trump’s spy chief declassified a slew of documents that national security veterans say were part of an effort to boost the president’s Russia claims”
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-dni-john-ratcliffe-declassifies-russia-documents-2020-10
The DOJ “has appealed the part of Judge Cannon’s previous order appointing a special master…”
As others have noted, this is exactly what Andrew Weissmann demanded in a flurry of unhinged previous tweets. I didn’t post these earlier on purpose to avoid angering other posters but he’s still a vicious Lawfare player.
Here’s his vile self congratulatory tweet today. If they succeed in being heard by a Dem judge who will reverse Cannon’s just ruling then it will be another travesty of injustice in the USA. P Trump might have been the only innocent big target victim that Weissman couldn’t wrongly convict by his usual nefarious DC methods and it constantly aggravates him.
It will be sweet revenge, after the Mike Flynn travesty, when Cannon appeals to the full court (en banc) which will rule in her favor.
DOJ cannot afford to allow this to get to SCOTUS where there are LIBERAL judges who hate the DOJ’s 4th Amendment abuses. DOJ could lose 9-0 at SCOTUS, and SCOTUS could quash the warrant, too.
I hope you are 100% right but how long will it take for SCOTUS to take the case?
These power mad selfish Democrats and their operatives will never let anyone associated with MAGA rest or ever live a stable life. They will ceaselessly attack anyone that is effective in opposing their agendas and would be happy if every MAGA voter was fearing a knock on the door every night.
The mid terms can’t come fast enough but the GOPe like McConnell and the Bush operatives like Bill Barr, who has suddenly found a cause that motivated him, are outrageously doing everything they can to aid the Democrats. These characters are the worst.
This would move quickly through the courts because it really is banana republic DOJ behavior and threatens the stability of the country.
Bluster, bloviating, and hutzpah – the DOJ is like the Old Walrus now. Hope the Judge tells the corrupt DOJ to pound sand and sets a date for the Special Master to begin.
PS: Bagpipes Barr will be investigated for his actions.
I suspect a massive Cannon shot will be directed at the lawfare / DOJ plotters, whose latest pleading reeks of weakness and desperation.
As usual when things don’t go their way: … stalling…
… and they managed to stall all the way through Trump’s administration!
For the Eleventh Circuit – Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice (Alabama, Florida, Georgia) I am smiling! Time for my James Brown song “I paid the cost to be the Boss” for Clarence Thomas
Great song if I don’t say so myself. 🙂
Praying for Judge Cannon that she has the courage and strength to stand tall and not back down one inch.
I bet she does!
DOJ needs to choose between its intelligence and law enforcement motives here. If they don’t want a special master then they should halt the law enforcement proceeding.
Seems to me Trumps lawyers could file a motion accusing the DOJ of crimes and a SM is needed to preserve the evidence they confiscated.
Defund the junkies.
Send in the US Marshals, Marines, Florida Guard, anyone and have them perp walk all of the DOJ goons into Florida jail cells and charge them with contempt, insurrection, jaywalking, no bail for they are a flight risk and hold them until trial. Grab them from their homes, while they are out walking their dog, while out having dinner, just grab them and throw them in jail.
Then have the next batch of DOJ goons comply with the appointment of the Special Master or face the same treatment.
This. ^^
Hold the line! Stay strong judge!
She should appoint a special master and tell them to go ahead and file an appeal once they have turned over the documents.
that’s part of the problem with this judge cannon (I commented about this already in a prior post):
her order was that DOJ suspend ALL investigative matters dealing with these “classified” materials.
HOWEVER, Judge Cannon HAS NOT ORDERED THE MATERIALS BE SEQUESTERED…it’s a non trivial difference.
Forming a S/M is good, but there is no force or any consequence to the DOJ who may refuse to comply with suspending the investigation into these materials.
Ordering the DOJ to “turn over” was never a part of here order.
this is a mistake.
the creation of the S/M does not result in the DOJ “turning over anything”.
remember: we are talking about copies of copies of copies of originals. In fact, the DOJ likely has all the originals. “turning over” materials confronts the reality that there is no court or legal force (right now) that actually forces DOJ to sequester any materials or to actually turn off the investigative switch.
If you read the DOJ appeal, they are making the legal case that involvement in the ODNI classmater national security assessment directly involves participation of DOJ/FBI..
it’s important to understand: the principal classification authority for cross fire hurricane IS the DOJ !
they will never turn over anything that can be used in court room that shows evidence of crimes and conspiracies.
God Bless America
Perhaps she should quash the warrant and order everything returned then? The DOJ is leaking info in violation of the law.
No wonder even Mao Tse Mitch had no use for Garland.
He’s a Politburo Thug!
Hope she stands her ground & tells them she will not comply.
We don’t need to be chatting; we need to be PRAYING! For President Trump and for our country.
Wow….hold on! This filing by the DOJ is NOT an appeal—it is a DOJ claim for relief under Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 8(a)! This DOJ “filing” is a THREAT to the Court that the DOJ will take action, APPEAL, if the Court does not modify its OWN previous ORDER. I’m getting into the weeds and will comment again after a further review!
No. They already filed a separate notice of appeal.
This is just a Motion to ‘stay’ the stay of the underlying Order pending its appeal.
Basically they are demanding the courts let them run wild as they play their appeal games.
It’s a weak and obnoxious argument.
NOT EXACTLY SO….and “appeal” must be filed in the District Court and I see no appeal filed YET!
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22277359/notice-of-appeal.pdf
Didn’t see it….thank you. Wow….to me, it would seem like the appeal is premature? What do you think?
HOLD UP…THE SUMMARY OF THE DOJ’S FILING, which is not yet an appeal, is absolutely summed up BEST BY SUNDANCE:
In essence, the DOJ-NSD, an agency within the justice department created by Eric Holder, is claiming no one outside the DOJ-NSD should be allowed to review the documents they have defined as “national security” interests. There are, according to the DOJ 100 pages the DOJ does not want the American public to see as they document the criminal actions of the DOJ and FBI. Thank you Sundance! We’ll now see if the Judge caves or call the DOJ’s bluff. There is no doubt in my mind the DOJ filed this Motion because the judge in sum “stopped” the DOJ from indicting Trump before Nov. 8th….that said, if the DOJ does appeal, they themselves eliminate their opportunity to smear Trump and further interfere before the Nov. 8th midterms.
They filed a notice of appeal. See above.
You are making this more complicated than it is, or needs to be.
Shows their fear meter is rising.
Doesn’t Justice Thomas preside over the 11th circuit? If so can he intervene?
In my limited experience with Federal judges, it never helps your side to tell the judge how or when she must decide an issue…”or else”.
Come to think of it, the DOJ might itself be committing misconduct with their ultimatum…
Not just the ultimatum but the actual written insult, within the request for stay, that Federal Judges are too incompetent and untrustworthy to even handle classified matters.
Insulting a Judge is not always a good tactic as well.
The judge should respond with an order for all materials gathered to be returned immediately sine the DOJ ignored her order regarding leaks. Dismiss with prejudice and bring up the DOJ lawyers for disciplinary action
In case there are any doubts… we are officially in full-on Lawfare Civil War… Team WEF is going for the jugular… next stop: Gulag Cell Block 27 (I call top bunk).
“BREAKING: Trump’s Save America PAC is being investigated by DOJ — with a federal grand jury already empaneled.”
At this point it’s just a matter of Vegas setting the line on the Trump indictment. With the Cannon situation coming in hot, I say in the next 5 weeks.
Dumb question -what is the alleged “criminality” of a PAC ( filings or such ? ) and how do people associated with a PAC get charged with something , unless stealing from it , isn’t it a corporation of some sort ?
Does it matter? If Trump didn’t disclose a $20 contribution they’d indict.
It should just a teeny weeny bit -President Trump is not personally responsible for the bookkeeping on the PAC., but I get your point
You beat me to it.
My understanding is that a PAC is a 527 non-profit… but like any non-profit or corporation, you can go after officers and executives for illegal activity. If somebody embezzles money, for example, then it doesn’t matter what type or organization it is.
In this case, it appears this Grand Jury activity is related to the DOJ J6 investigation… so I’m sure it’ll be some massive overreach like “Conspiracy To Defraud A Bunch Of Stuff” with a “Domestic Terror Financing” rider, or some nonsense.
Sadly, this won’t end until the lawyers involved swing from trees.
Shakespeare was right.
History has proven you correct. The extent that the legal system launders and extorts money to support itself and its political operations is beyond the comprehension of ordinary mortals.
Imagine how much of our sweat each day goes to supporting the legal system and how little of real value it provides us.
There is no peace, very little equity or freedom and the constant specter of legal assault. We haven’t begun to feel the assault from the Covid operation yet. It’s coming. I smell it.
Let’s not forget the judges that are permitting it.
….and the repubs who prefer the comfort of sitting on their hands.
I think it could be accomplished with simple Little Italy kneecapping.
They are, after all, wimps.
Ever really study the physical specimen(LOL) know as Andrew Weissman?
Trump said he was helping some of those in the DC Gulag. Is that a crime now? Money is fungible, in one pocket, out the other… The extreme, far left DC jury’s world view is that J6 was an insurrection and therefore anyone connected in anyway is a terrorist. Following in Zelensky’s footsteps, FJB has outlawed political opposition.
You make my point , as like BLM executives embezzling millions of dollars of donations from their 501 c3 whatever . Yes and a billionaire embezzling 50 dollar donations , probably doubtful , I think , or maybe stashing classified papers in the file cabinets?… J6 ? Ok back to that? , merry go around keeps going round and round …
We need some red state AGs to go on the offensive. BLM, Clinton Foundation and some the leftwing PACs
They should pick a few Dems to Alinsky
Soros prosecutors, essentially, in Dem blue cities with stacked haters.
The illegal burglary of Trump’s home is yielding dividends for the co-conspirators. First the “leak’ in the Compost, repeated in unison and ad nauseam on “news” casts throughout the country to the gullible. Now, a convenient expansion of the persecution with something gained from the burglary?
This is the continued persecution of the only American president to stand up for the people and against the 4th Branch. Trump had evidence of Garland et al’s earlier crimes, so they continue to commit them to continue the cover up.
John Roberts needs to make a statement.
They are making up dog crap and it’s easy to get an indictment with a jury in these cities.
The only way to beat this is elect an indicted POTUS.
He’s still on the hunt for the SC leaker ….too busy
Saw a blurb yesterday from Epoch Times saying Roberts’s Chief of Staff has resigned effective 9/30. Maybe they found the leaker and just don’t want to make a big deal of it?
I have no doubt that Justice Roberts ordered him to leak the draft. This is SOP in the swamp. Either the Chief of Staff got fed up and/or found a better job, or he’s been “discovered” by the media. He will suffer no consequences if conservative media sniffed him out. It won’t even be touched by the MSM.
Coincidence , red herring….they found the leaker whoever it is , but don’t want to make ANY deal of it , so it will remain “mystery” …and there will be no more leaks …. Until the next one ..
We deserve to know.
Unfortunately, they don’t think we deserve anything.
Problem is, they (Roberts, et al) already KNOW who leaked it.–and THAT is a problem since it leads directly to a sitting (leftist) justice.
He only need look in the mirror! HA
John Roberts hates MAGA as much as Joe Biden. He’s a Bush Republican and a gutless wonder.
Chief Justice Roberts is too busy hunting for that leaker of the Dobbs decision. He is getting close, real close but there appears to be a mirror stopping his progress for whenever he looks into it his right arm comes up and his forefinger points to his image…scares the bejesus out of him!
That will be very difficult.
It’s like there’s no history here with Trump and FBI/DOJ?
Nobody seems to acknowledge it??
Strange right?
We’re supposed to pretend we don’t know the FBI already falsified several wire tap warrants targeting Trump.
It’s the October Surprise.
The DOJ is in a bit of a pickle, IMO… they need to take action against Trump ASAP (the sooner the better, I think)… but the Midterms presents a bit of a Third Rail sticky situation.
I say they’re gonna go all-in and go for it sooner rather than later.
The Midterms may be a lost cause politically anyway… and the DOJ and FBI have bigger fish to fry… which is to say: they’re totally corrupt, and everybody knows it.
When brute force is all you have (and nobody else has it, or else refuses to use it) then why not go the full monty and use force like its for free? What do they have to lose?
Mr. Piddles, thanks for a remark that is intelligible!The ones preceeding it require interpretation.
It what? There are so many surprising things that could happen.
What about the FEC?
I’d prefer to bet on how much longer before the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court steps in and puts a stop this war against the rule of law – it is, after all, the true target of these lawfare games. To these lawfare lawyers President Trump is simply the means for them to tear down any remaining respect for the third separate, but equal, branch of government.
If the lawfare group can’t use PDJT and other America First groups or individuals then they will be forced to make sure the Democrats hold the Senate so they can pack the court.
In either way, the Judicial Branch is the ultimate target – let’s see what these Justices do to defend their part of the Constitution.
The year 2023 is going to be wild.
You are talking about the guy who has two kids that were likely trafficked to him? That guy?
I believe you are referring to the “control file” that someone in the Hoover Vacuum of the FBI has on Roberts. If you know his kids were trafficked everyone else that cares knows too. I’m not sure about this, but I don’t think the word “integrity” was mentioned in the oath I took for my position.
Hoover certainly didn’t have it whilst dancing around in a pink tutu creating all of his control file. A flamethrower at the least for the FBI which is still protecting all of those hiding beneath their pink tutus. And in the words of a Leonard Cohen song, “then we take Berlin.”
Hoping Roberts will step in and stop anything would be like hoping Madonna would make a Public Service Commercial in support of chastity and virtue.
Bannon this morning: “They’re coming for everybody.”
https://rumble.com/v1ja3cs-steve-bannon-maga-is-ascended-we-are-not-backing-down.html
Fact Check: True
You know … I heard all this same gloom and doom for over three years during the Mueller scam.
As the real pain of BBB, the collapse of available energy and food, and a forced, intentional, depression really starts to intrude into and possibly destroy millions of American homes this winter, they will have less and less to lose.
A kangaroo court political prosecution of the beloved figurehead for a national majority political movement, supported by over 100 Million Americans, in a collapsing economic climate, might make it finally go hot. I hope not. But this cabal is hell bent on criminalizing a majority, including its political leaders.
… the poem about the man who wanted to be left alone comes to mind.
I think they are terrified. And I think they are increasingly desperate, as they are running out of time.
But I don’t think they are that stupid.
Vegas can set the line on a shooting war as well.
What’s the over / under on We the People finally going kinetic in furious objection?
Asking for a friend.
This problem can be easily solved.
All Judge Cannon has to do is appoint Devlin Barrett of the Washington Post to be the Special Master. Or perhaps the DOJ would prefer one of their stooges at the New York Times?