Looks like we are going to find out exactly what Joe Manchin’s leverage was over Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer {REMINDER HERE}.
On July 31, According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill.
According to Manchin, his agreement to the current spending bill was contingent upon a promise that: (A) Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will generate a new bill for streamlined energy permitting and increased oil, gas and coal development; (B) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will take up the Senate bill and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans in support of that Senate bill; and (C) Joe Biden will sign that increased energy production bill.
Here’s the important part. Senator Manchin claimed he has leverage over Biden, Pelosi and Schumer to ensure a new bill with those priorities is created and advanced. Manchin further claimed there were “consequences” for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer if they were to renege on the deal. He is quite emphatic about that point if you listen to the NBC interview. (LINK)
The only possible leverage Manchin could have of such significance would be a threat to switch parties if Biden, Pelosi and/or Schumer reneged on the deal. That would immediately flip the Senate. In the latest development, the House democrats are threatening not to support the increased energy production and streamlined permitting part.
(Politico) – House Democrats managed to maintain party discipline in passing a historic climate bill heavily influenced by fossil fuel state centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) on Friday. But a contentious, intraparty battle on permitting of energy projects lies ahead.
Progressives ultimately supported the Inflation Reduction Act now heading to President Joe Biden’s desk despite it spending less to fight climate change than initially envisioned in the Build Back Better legislation. But they are now vowing to fight a secondary agreement struck by Manchin, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Biden to pass permitting reform legislation aimed at speeding up the building of oil and gas pipelines, green infrastructure projects and mines to dig up critical minerals.
“I am not going to be steamrolled into a bunch of fossil fuel give-aways just because Manchin cut a deal in a closed room with Chuck Schumer,” said Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.). “He doesn’t get to run the show on something like this, and many of us will have a say on what that deal looks like if it even happens.” (more)
The barking moonbats were obviously not part of the negotiations. However, if they dig in, we might find out what that leverage was that Joe Manchin was talking about.
It’s about money
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It’s always about money. “You cannot serve both God and Mammon.” They chose Mammon, serving neither God nor their constituents.
I would call Bill Gates an evil-visionary.
But he certainly has what was sometimes called the Eye For the Main Chance.
A quality found in master crimnals…
There are still problems with the membranes and the hydrogen propagation. Possibly; unsolvable problems?
Using batteries for energy storage is good; if it is the most efficient.
If it is because of that Boogie-man; CO2…
The most filthy words out of a politicians mount, ‘ I Promise You ‘! When you here them say ‘I Promise You’ get up and walk away.
The fools even make promises to each other.
You didn’t need that famous old eight ball ‘fortune teller” toy to predict this outcome …
Chuckie and nan and sleepy joe are not the best scumbags to make deals with , huh Manchin
Slap a Green New Deal label on it, and the Communist Democrats lap it up.
Bill Gates says the breakthrough batteries cure one of the world’s most pressing crises. Especially if you make the crises by removing coal production. And as for Joe Manchin, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. They will be going in whatever direction the billionaires are going, and right now they are going in the direction of batteries. And, the billionaires have been going in this direction since at least August 2021.
Reminds me of Kevin McCarthy representing a huge oil and gas district and spouting green energy development here. He’s not even campaigning, the election seems to be in the bag
Arizona candidate AG, Mark Finchem says vote on election day. Do not mail or use drop boxes for ballots
I will make a copy of my completed ballot too. Bring your ballot in to the election center.
We do in person paper ballots! With a copy. PERIOD
And vote near the end of the day. Evidently, it really screws with their algorithm.
Well.
I’m throwing the flag on this one.
The real “deal” is that: A)Manchin will go out and lie about there being this phony pretend “deal” with leverage and consequences; and, B) if and when he is forced to “threaten” to switch, a new “deal” (they are already crafting) will pretend to give a little token relaxation of the attack on fossil fuel production in exchange for something big like a nuclear option to pack the Supreme Court or make Puerto Rico a state.
REMEMBER, the Demoncrats are ALWAYS LYING.
BTW, its a certainty
that McConnell is in on these deals.
Thanks for that well-articulated comment. You nailed it.
This was all yet another brilliant ruse!
Why wouldn’t the bill’s sponsors make the promised ‘fossil fuel permitting and development’ simply a part of the original bill? Of course, there is no logical reason other than trying to finesse their way toward their whopping green energy appropriation while, at the same time, protecting vulnerable Dems from electoral blowback.
As a matter of fact, it was so brilliantly staged that everyone, Biden, Pelosi, Manchin, Sinema, Schumer, and the Marxist Wing of the Democrat Party all emerge strangely as principled statesmen within their individual, electoral bubbles.
That was, of course, always the original, devious plan: GET THE MONEY YET PROTECT MANCHIN AND SINEMA FROM BEING CRUSHED AT ELECTION TIME IN THEIR VERY RED STATES, WHILE SOMEHOW KEEPING THE DEM JUGGERNAUT AFLOAT.
Well, now she’s sailing finely on the seas!
The same reason they all voted against Capo’s proposal that the IRS won’t go after those making less than 400K. They’re liars and cheats. I believe we have to go out in droves and work for election integrity, we all see the puppets now and unless we can overwhelm and reform the system, we’re just going to watch them destroy us once and for all
Great analysis.
We’re on a similar page …. an earlier comment I made (somewhere else):
Any ‘assurances’ to Manchin by Schumer, Pelosi, Biden were worthless. You’d think Manchin would have figured this out by now … actually, I think he KNEW … his part of the deal was ‘cover’ for voting for the horrible Green Energy bill. Now he can say “see, see … they broke their promise to me … I held up my end of the deal and they did not … not my fault”. It’s all just political crappola, as usual.
Might have worked in the past but the people will be reminded every time they get an electric bill or put gas in their vehicles. Nothing like a albatross around your neck.
And remember. PR is a DEAD LOSS, truly 3rd world, corrupt, full of grifters, and has NOTHING TO OFFER US 50 mainland states.
NOTHING. Won’t even learn English…My veteran friend’s mother from PR lived in New York for 40 years, and spoke not one word of English!
Even their Resident Commissioner says that the only reason PR should be a state is to GET MORE LONEY FROM MAINLAND TAXPAYERS.
Look on the bright side.
Manchin could switch to GOP, get elected as Majority Leader of the GOP and he would be less corrupt than Mitch.
With all due respect: FORGEDDABOUTIT!
It was all ‘in the grift!’ The deal is done!
Ow…my head hurts.
Wonderful take!
The Demoncrats are less corrupt than the Traitor lying scum (R)s.
I’m sure they’re all compromised. Maybe Joe’s going to spill the beans?
Manchin will never switch parties as that is exactly what gives him power.
Same with Sinema here in my state. They are Democrats and evil; they know what is in those bills is anti American, but yet at the end they vote for it anyway. ( after they get their goodies).
He gets to run for POTUS now.
He’s the only plausible D that woud appeal to the mushy middle and thus have a ghost of a chance to win. Who else is there?
After is garbage bill passed it might be questionable since the people who will be voting will be reminded every time they get their electric bill and fill up their vehicles. What’s his campaign slogan going to be “vote for me and I’ll bankrupt you faster”.
How many of us are in this same situation?
It’s the same with both parties.
We got Lindsay…You got Joe.
I guess it could be worse?
We could have a Pierre Delecto, the Write-in Democrat RINO from Alaksa, or a Mainiac named Sue?
They had a deal. Sure. Here’s the deal: we will pass a bill with a huge amount of money in a 4 or 5 categories. You help pass the bill and we’ll all agree that you can say you did something for your constituents. Later, when we renig, you can stomp your feet and we will give up 1 of the things we want, and you can claim you did it all for your constituents. Anyone who thinks this isn’t going exactly as planned is naive. This is how they work. What we’re seeing now is the CYA portion of the deal that was arranged just in case there was blowback from Manchin’s constituency. I have no doubt that Manchin wants to run for Pres as a “moderate”. To be successful he’d have to appear to have “stood up” to Chuck and Nancy. This is all theatre.
Ah, the fine art of political compromise, a noun that means ‘weakening or undermining’ in addition to what they want you to think it means.
Manchin has cashed in his chips. He realizes that his good, old-fashioned, “principled moderate”, routine is untenable in today’s more polarized America, and now that the traditional Uniparty games are more widely understood.
How’s that 30 pieces of silver Joe. No we have 87,000 more IRS agents who will be used to replace the FBI
SO corrupt.
Why does the government have any say whatsoever in how energy is produced?
Because it gave itself that power.
That needs to end.
The SCOTUS ruled this summer that the EPA cannot wield so much power. However, it appears the Federal Government is ignoring the rule.
We are going to have to get Steven Miller to sue their ass off re: jurisdiction, scope of power over energy production.
Empty posturing…
Vanadium for the “friendly” batteries. Coal to produce the energy to charge them. Win-win. Taxes on producers and consumers. Cha ching.
And, as we are seeing, Manchin’s polling shows a drop in his favorability rating. His electorate will drive him to switch because of Dems reneging.
Manchurian is really a dolt like they all are.
Oh so true, but he’s a dolt with $$$$$, like they all are.
Zero chance this dolt has leverage over the deep state. They don’t breed them for brains.
As Gene Wilder said in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, “The suspense is terrible…I hope it’ll last.”
So they took it out? Does it go back to the senate now because of the change?
Ya know, when I was young man I often heard that phrase of; “Politics is the art of compromise”, but it took me a while to learn what that really meant.
What it actually means is that the way it really works is that the first things they ‘compromise’ are their morals and integrity. And that directly leads to always ‘compromising’ the promises made to America Citizens and their values that they are suppose to be representing to instead only value of benefits of being in the ‘Big Money and Power Club’ and representing only ‘The Club’ and themselves.
‘The art of politics’ now seems only to be the art of constructing a glittery facade in order to conceal the the ‘Art of Corruption’ to compromise the morals and values of this once great Republic and We The People.
I’m done compromising with their compromising and have entered into a more forceful phase of determined action.
Best wishes to all as you live your best lives and stand tall and proudly as you defend your integrity, morals, family and faith.
Please he will not do a damn thing, all talk no action in DC, political theatre, drama, drama , drama.
All shaft; and no mine?
The ole Potomac Two-Step, gosh, Manchin was betrayed by Schumer and Pelosi and is going to do something big someday soon. What is shocking is how little time has gone by before they laugh and utter some trite codswallop before ignoring what they purportedly promised. The miasma that is Washington on full display. And the best part, they have all gotten very rich selling out your interests and will retire to their estates with a lifetime pension and benefit YOU pay for!
Manchin doesn’t know it yet but he got rolled…by his own party.
He knew-it all along. Eff him.
They have done this all along. Remember Bart Stupeck and the blue dog demonic rats who wanted no abortion in the Obamacare legislation and Obama told him after we pas the bill I’ll do an executive order giving you what you want. Stupeck walked out of that meeting a little puffed up because he got one over on Obama. Obama laughed his tail off as he, nasty Nancy, Dirty Harry Reid and the rest fist bumped and said with a sly look “we got him”. Stupeck voted for it and Obama never wrote an executive order and stupid Stupeck and the demonic rats who folded because of a promise by the anointed Won lost bigly in the 2010 midterm election. Stupid Stupeck got played and so will Manchin and the blond garbage in Arizona.
It’s all theater.
This is the reason you NEVER deal or compromise with these people. One has to remember their end game. But Manchin knew this. He’s just another 💩 in this cesspool
Manchin deserves to get played because he masterfully played McConnell. The bold garbage in Arizona will be played as well. But maybe we are the ones really getting played.
Hey Joe, either you just got shat on or you’re a bigger liar than we realized.
It’s the latter, trust me! Not even close!
The Possum is counting on his voters forgetting about his betrayal. They likely will and he’ll get reelected in 2024. The politics in WV are pretty tight and corrupt for a small hillbilly state.
Manchin’s got nothing. Never did.
Those voters won’t forget this very easily because they will be reminded every month as they open their electric bills and put gas in their cars and possible freeze to death in the winter months. But who knows.
Truth is Manchin is all for BBB, problem for him the people in his district are not! So, this is a DemonRat scam to keep Manchin in congress.. There never was leverage, just ‘lies atop lies, deist atop deist.
Munchkin told Schmuck/Piglosi, if I vote for BBB, I’m out and gets replaced by a republican. His leverage was the truth. Goes to show how much they are afraid of the ‘ TRUTH ‘.
God is going to shove the truth done their throats.
Look at Schmuck. can’t even stand-up straight!
Legislating physics never works out. Leave energy production to people who understand energy production.
Manchin will play the victim but we all know he is not.
Dumb hillybilly boy Manchin sold out and trusted the slimy NY slicker. The people of W. Va. will suffer.
I found this particular tweet (and the former) particularly revealing.
“We have got to have an expedited process for clean energy transmission,”
@USRepKCastor
told me. “This patchwork of state regulation is a hindrance to attaching clean energy resources in the center part of the country and getting it out to population centers.”
Are they saying they want to desecrate “Fly over Country” to “Energize” the “Population” centers?
🤔
U.S. Representative K. Castor, is from Florida, iirc.
Tampa, specifically.
Not exactly “Fly over Country”.
ah another rino… the last thing the conservative party needs. …
Even Biden says; Come on man.
All this is one big theatrical ruse, trick.
Time and time again they present us with these games and we just sit back play them.
Nevertheless, I love coming over here reading where everyone is guessing and trying to figure what they’re really doing, when they gonna actually do it, what does it really mean, what’s gonna happen, when they gonna do it.
Oh and how terrible its gonna be when what they got planned happens.
I can just visualize the scene on the titanic when all the commentators gathered on topside observing the ship as it begins to list.
Remarkably by the time decision is made that the ship is definitely lost they find all the lifeboats have already departed.
Future promises NEVER happen and Manchin knows that too.
Personally I hope they screw Manchin every way til Sunday for his screwing over the dimwit McConnell. He deserves everything coming his way and so does the blond garbage from Arizona. I hope they both get it good and hard.
Well they certainly found a major vein of Stupidium running through DC. Even Tommy could take time off from playing pinball to know the whole “second act”, was just that. An act.
Can we please get the GOP majorities back so we don’t have to be held hostage by certain Dems?? I’m so sick of relying on Manchin and others. They’re Democrats, they’re the enemy, let them go back to having no power.
“That [Manchin flipping Republican] would immediately flip the Senate.”
No. A deployed “Republican” Senator would instantly flip the other way.
Obviously Manchin knew this would happen. Pelosi and Schumer do not negotiate fairly.
He gave them what they wanted and already they have changed it from the inflation bill to the green bill.
Hope Sundance is wrong.
Man him might be more helpful as a Dem than a non-Dem
Hmmm.. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/senate/
LOLOLOL….say it ain’t so Joe!
Double crossed by your own party….time to switch parties now or use that ace blackmail card all you crooked POS have in your back pocket.
“Oh….. you thought I said “leverage” on all those Sunday morning news shows a few weeks back??? I said I had more “anchorage” for my yacht on the Potomac.”
Sen. Manchin will threaten to use his ‘leverage’………. until he doesn’t at the end…… just like with every decision he makes to grab attention and fool his constituents who thought the GOP senatrix was “conservative ” just like Joe M.!
What a rube.
First thing “You Ain’t Black” Biden did in office was to cancel the XL Pipeline.
And yet, Manchin thinks that this Leftist bunch will let this pipeline go forward? LOL!!!
I’m not sure what to call Manchin. I mean, he’s like a DeceptiCon, just for the Democrats, coming across as more centrist to his constituents when in reality he falls in line with the party more often than not. So what to call him? A “DeceptiMod”??
Progressives “vow to fight Manchin’s permitting deal” – such BS. The bill has already PASSED, so this is just a sideshow for their base to think they care. Next . . .
Muchstainedpants has zero leverage and was masterfully played. Only McConnell could stomach this orafice.
Hahahahaha Manchin got Stupak-ed. Who didn’t see that one coming.