Bunker boy Ron DeSantis has completed five days of silence and is scheduled to re-emerge tomorrow in Arizona as part of the TPUSA national tour. Those of you who have walked the deep weeds of national politics, know exactly what is happening. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has entered the managing phase of the GOPe candidate process.
[The TLDR version is HERE] – The well-liked Florida Governor has remained silent and invisible for five days, ever since the FBI raid against President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, in West Palm Beach, Florida. {Go Deep} The governor of the state has said nothing and avoided any opportunity where he may have been asked for comment. Instead, he has transmitted two pre-recorded statements from the bunker.
The silence is deafening transparency for those who accept how the professional republican club operates; the key word is “accept.” Unfortunately, there is a jaw-dropping amount of denial. We are seeing the outcome of Ron DeSantis being professionally managed by the GOPe club.
Now we move into the phase of re-branding where risks are mitigated, and positions are modified. Earlier today, while still in the bunker, DeSantis’ press secretary Christina Pushaw announced her exit.
As the rebranding takes shape, Ms. Pushaw is now moved away from the principle (that’s Ron) and becomes a part of the campaign team.
(FLORIDA) – Christina Pushaw, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ Press Secretary, departed her administrative role Friday to join the Republican Governor’s re-election campaign.
The Florida Standard, a conservative new media outlet, was the first to report Pushaw’s shuffle and published her resignation letter, which Pushaw sent to Chief of Staff James Uthmeier and Director of Administration Dawn Hanson on Friday. She will become the campaign’s Director of Rapid Response beginning Monday.
Deputy Press Secretary Bryan Griffin will step in as lead Press Secretary on Monday, where he will report directly to Communications Director Taryn Fenske. (more)
DeSantis has no primary challenger, so the club timing right on schedule. He emerges from the bunker with a few weeks to break in the new alliance, new team, new campaign motive and new brand image. Bold becomes pastel. Tomorrow the GOPe club kick-off the relaunch through the aligned TPUSA organization, which they have now taken control by purchasing Charlie Kirk. Remember, in club politics it’s the money that changes things.
The script will follow the customary mapping. DeSantis will start a national enhanced branding effort, increased exposure to unfamiliar audiences, and simultaneously absorb the MAGA aspect the GOPe need. MAGA bona fides will come from appearances with names like Kari Lake and Blake Masters, under the auspices of endorsements.
On its face, it is supposed to look like DeSantis is endorsing Kari Lake and Blake Masters, two strong MAGA candidates. However, the actual club motive is to transfer the MAGA currency of Lake and Masters into the pocket of DeSantis.
The club gets much more out of it than Lake or Masters. The club gets the stealth benefits that people never pay attention to. This is part of the brand image for DeSantis and club strategy.
Whether Ron DeSantis knew of the DC/FBI targeting effort before Monday is a moot point. What DeSantis did know was that this week a new branding effort would begin. It started with the “Dear Governor DeSantis” commercials. The subtle shift is to nudge him out of Florida politics into a more prominent national role
All of this is coordinated by the national club. Nothing is just random, but the presentation to the voters must retain the illusion of choice.
Everything now is about club branding and club management. That’s why I knew four days ago that Pushaw would depart, and I started to deliver statements on Twitter toward that end. Many people became upset. However, I do not take such a severe position, as I did on Monday, without overlaying all of the data-points we have assembled. I know it sometimes shocks people, they get mad at me, but as you watch it you will see it unfold. This is simply how the club operates.
It’s not DeSantis fault per se’. He doesn’t really have many options. He holds no independent wealth to keep the club away from influence.
DeSantis is being managed now. He’s shifted into the Pence, Jeb, Haley, professional wing of the club. Things change. He’s accepting GOPe grooming (bunker silence). Simultaneously risks are distanced (Pushaw departs official orbit), proximity mitigation. It really is just a mgmt/branding effort.
Now he will begin a national tour. A book (written for him) is looming. The pattern never changes.
The “professionals” will now enter the picture. The orbit of DeSantis will be more controlled. Representatives will come from the professional political class. Speeches and remarks will be filtered and approved. Risks will be mitigated. Control mechanisms in place. However, the illusion of authenticity must be retained. This is the club weak point (see Cruz and Haley). This is what the club will try to modify with DeSantis and Kristi Noem.
At first, whenever DeSantis reemerges – likely tomorrow, you will notice a subtle shift, perhaps an awkwardness. A slight change in the authenticity you used to love. A more careful and deliberate speech pattern. Longer thoughts before responses. More appearances on Fox News. Brett Baier et al, w/ the assist.
The technique is Norman Rockwell (optics) and Ward Cleaver (tones), soft hues and gentlemanly pastels.
Club branding is subtle on the image front, but very clear on the substantive messaging side. Social issues selected to maximize camp coalition, and influence base.
Consistently present political messaging where the republican voter base can say “yes.” Keep the “yes” messaging at the forefront (social emphasis). Focus on values. Schools, kids, safety, woke pushback, media bias etc, keep the audiences nodding yes. Ultimately, it’s a sales technique. Identify with the target to influence their decisions.
Issues around multinational & corporate economics, hard lines, foreign policy, all these things must be avoided – except in general terms. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is not to be challenged, not really. Keep the message social and build the emotional connection. It is harder to break an emotional bond than a logical or cognitive bond.
These are the political techniques of Lee Atwater that still make up the bulk of the GOPe club playbook. The greatest skill of the professionally republican is to present the illusion of choice in such a way as the voters do not see it.
Keep in mind, back in Washington DC both clubs are collaborating on the Trump removal program because both clubs’ benefit.
If we watch closely, we will see a MAGA-lite, professionally controlled republican go from five-days as a pupa (now) to chrysalis (next), to national club butterfly.
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Hi Karl.
I hope Sundance is wrong and that Ron DeSantis proves to be honest and principled, focussed on serving the people of the USA and not self-serving like many politicians both Democrat and Republican and their wealthy backers.
The Book of Proverbs is spot on:
The wicked accepts a bribe in secret to pervert the ways of justice.
Politics in the USA and indeed over the world is infected with legal bribery. That is why the rich or those supported by the rich get into office.
I hope Florida Ron focuses on serving the people of” his state rather than worrying about “serving the people of the USA”. The later is NOT the job he was elected to do.
Ron’s an ambitious and relatively inexperienced 43 year old being tempted by very powerful “snakes”.
He and his young family are in my prayers.
Perhaps they will watch Frank Capras cautionary classic, ” It Happened One Night” to learn what happens when good guys believe they must leave home in order to make a difference in the world.
I agree that DeSantis job is serving Americans living in Florida but his actions and those of other governors – if they are principled – can impact positively on all Americans and promote justice in the whole country.
I am however baffled that seeing the raid occured in Florida – as have some other raids on conservatives – that he did not insist that the matter go though Florida courts. Does the FBI not trust judges in Florida and think they are criminals, then why are they not prosecuting them? Could it be that the FBI needs crooked judges and courts to futher their perversion of justice?
Alleged Federal Crimes = Federal Judges or in this case a federal magistrate who has a conflict of interest among other things.
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact.
Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. – Marcus Aurelius
I hear the earth is not flat.
I see a bird on a tree limb.
What Marcus Aurelius wrote is BS or got lost in translation.
Fortunately, Sundance based his assessment on FACTS; facts that he shared so truth seekers can research and vet those FACTS.
Noticing that in response to the FACTs shared by Sundance, an OPINION by Marcus Aurelius was shared that mocks opinion only people. Unconscious irony?
I watch Charlie Kirk on Real America’s Voice every day. He doesn’t sound like he’s been bought by the GOPe. Would love to know what other folks think and/or explain what I’m missing…
Agree. He sounds good,. BUT, look at who his financial backers are. They are all Big Club types. I don’t trust him. Glad he is a talking head on our side, but I don’t trust his political endorsements.
On DeSantis, CTH has turned into the NRO on Trump.
Useless.
“Useless”.
If referencing the ad hominem attack response to Sundances article, then fact check, true.
I have never heard DeSantis speak of any aspirations beyond Governor. He has a young wife fighting cancer and 3 children 5 and under. There are a kazillion career opportunities for him in this state after politics.
Think about this. Knowing your family responsibilities, would you want to expose them to the political circus, threats, and life under a microscope?
This could very well be him keeping his head down and just focusing on the business of Florida while assisting others who are running by endorsing and speaking at their functions.
As someone posted on here earlier, a mini-maga.
As a mother, and caretaker of friends with cancer, your whole perspective changes, and ambitions become less important.
I could be 100% wrong on this, and he maybe coukd be the demon everyone is now convinced he has become.
But, considering his record in Florida thus far, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt and voting for him.
And as for some of the items he mentioned he wanted to accomplish, he does have a state legislature to work with.
I’m going to stand behind the 100% approval of Florida Sheriffs who are endorsing him. They work for and with him and are not stupid.
I’ve always thought DeSantis became FL Governor exactly for the purpose of running for President. Name 1 former Florida governor who hasn’t.
DeSantis also has a red flag law problem with many independents.
FL Gov Lawton Chiles never ran for President
FL Gov Charlie Christ never ran for President
FL Gov Rick Scott never ran for President
How many more do you need?
When is FL legislature passing a bill to outlaw electronic voting?
What does this have to do with the price of tea in china or my reply to Kathryn?
None of these three would win a primary.
(1) Non sequitur
(2) Kathyrn Keenan, “Name 1 former Florida Governor who hasn’t”
I named 3 from just the last few decades.
DeSantis never took the Gold Star health Insurancewhile he was in congress, nor the pension plan. Part of his response was” he wasn’t in congress for the perks”. Andrew Warren was fired in this past week, Mir Lago raid came a day or 2later. Local news rants aren’t making it to Sundances phone or computer. I can’t help you with the last 3 things I mentioned. We love him, won’t vote Crist or pot farm Freid!
No link but its been reported that DeSantis wife works for Blackrock.
Alto’ this could be rather meaningless since Blackrock is everywhere.
But you know it all depends on her position
however she is the governors wife
At least try to investigate the truth unless milling rumors is your intent.
Ted Cruz’s wife worked for (may still) Goldman Sachs
Are you saying, then, that Mrs. DeSantis does not hold any outside job since marrying Gov DeSantis? Perhaps you could elaborate a bit?
Seriously? No effort on your part? Puuuhlease…
https://www.flgov.com/meet-first-lady-desantis
Gee, color me shocked. ANOTHER POS politician not to be trusted.
And just like that, a comment turns into a rumor turns into fact. . . . based upon “it’s been reported.”
It really is a bit stunning, isn’t it.
https://www.flgov.com/meet-first-lady-desantis
Heidi Cruz is a big wheel with Goldman Sachs…
“IT has been reported”…sheesh.
Rumormonger
https://www.flgov.com/meet-first-lady-desantis
DeSantis keeping quiet while Trump was raided is very suspicious and telling.
Very few came to Pres Trumps aid and spoke out against this.
Kari Lake and Marjorie Taylor Green were two that I can think of off the top of my head.
Far too many RINOs were too quiet about this and DeSantis, the Governor of the state it happened in, not speaking out against this invasion is not looking good.
Not good at all.
Our country is in far too much trouble now and we have too much to lose to put our faith in some one who will not stand up against this out of control federal government and complete and absolute abuse of individual rights guaranteed in our constitution.
DeSantis should have been out there right after this happened calling the crooks in DC out for what they did and he was not.
You’re clinging to hope, Mamadog. Don’t ignore the reality.
Ask yourself why DeSantis is going on a tour of battleground states as the featured speaker when he has his own FL Governor re-election campaign and FL Governor work to do. Ask yourself why DeSantis is distancing himself from Trump, and why TPUSA’s Charlie Kirk is advertising DeSantis as the new face of the GOP party.
And read this article: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/08/desantis-headline-gop-rallies-00050337
He’s going because the campaigns of those MAGA candidates asked him to campaign for them. They are smart. He is popular with suburban republicans and independents and with a fair number of dems. No one’s going to win general elections without those voters. The suggestion that he’s doing it to bolster his MAGA bona fides is silly. He’s already popular and cruising to re-election. The general election numbers for Lake and Masters aren’t looking good now. Vance’s don’t look good either. They want to change that. They need him and wisely decided to bring him in. DeSantis and Youngkin have shown how to win general elections by emphasizing issues that are popular with a broad swath of voters. The rest of the GOP should take note instead of blathering on about tax cuts for big tech or other platitudes. I like Kari Lake, but if her general election campaign message is “Trump was robbed in 2020,” she’ll lose by double digits. I think she knows that and is playing to win by bringing in DeSantis. I have questions about DeSantis too but not because of the things discussed in this or the previous anti-DeSantis post. Too many on here are panicked at the thought of a challenger to Trump and are stretching to find any reason to discredit him. I judge solely on performance. If they don’t perform, I don’t support or vote for them. I have no loyalty to any politician and no one else should either.
LIE
DeSantis is not popular with Independents.
He is too right wing on the social issues.
Independents are middle of the road/
Next?
I’m a registered NPA in Florida. (NO party affiliation), and will be switching to Republican 30 days prior to the General election. Independents do this too…I know.. I have been a registered Independent in the past as well. Saves on unwanted robo calls and campaign literature in my mailbox.
Please don’t assume Independents will not vote for DeSantis. Some will vote, so it is not a lie. I am related to quite a few…we don’t trust either party thus register as npa or Independent.
TOO RIGHT WING??? NOT POPULAR WITH INDEPENDENTS??
IS THAT YOU LIZ
Hear! Hear!
JRD,
LIE LIE
“DeSantis is not popular with Independents.
He is too right wing on the social issues.”
Not sure where you learned about independents but I am an INDEPENDENT. I am very conservative on social issues. I want a better world for my grandchildren than the world is headed in now. So far De Santis is in the A+ category on his leadership in that area.
Having said all that, I respect Sundance and will continue to read his words of concern.
Yeah, and Biden,Kamala,Newsom,Killary are so popular with independents. So…
Really? Not popular enough to join the Democrat party! or should there have been a /s at the end of the statement.
I agree with your analysis 100%, especially with this:
“… win general elections by emphasizing issues that are popular with a broad swath of voters.”
It is my view that many of the issues we want ,are popular with a broad swath of voters , which was why Trump won. I am also not interested in a personality cult.
Even more important I see no one other than Trump and DeSantis who can and have actually accomplish things. In some ways I believe that DeSantis accomplished more than Trump could have accomplished if he had been on the offensive more.
At this point, I think it would be wise to consider that President Trump will be out of politics by the time DeSantis announces. In fact, DeSantis will be “recruited” because there will be a big hole where President Trump used to be. The sad part to me is that the people will move to him with barely a whimper.
Pray to God that this doesn’t happen, and that the evil ones are thwarted.
Sundance is usually right. I notice that President Trump has been careful to say “Help is coming”, but not “I’m going to fix this”. Maybe we’ll learn that Trump and DeSantis are aligned, rather than the RINOS and DeSantis. I still hold out hope for that.
In his last rally he said something to the affect (paraphrasing) “I’m going to announce something very soon and I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised”.
I keep getting the feeling that the reason that PDJT a has not announced is because he is going to tap RDS as his VP, but an announcement before the November Election, would jeopardize RDS’s run for Governor.
Interesting observation Kureelpa.
Is that why she won every county in AZ,
“I like Kari Lake, but if her general election campaign message is “Trump was robbed in 2020,” she’ll lose by double digits.”
You sound like those high paid consultants who told her not to mention the election nor the vaccines or mandates. She said suffice to say I did not hire either of those losers.
Notice the date Politico published its “Rons a better choice to be Republicans 2024 presidential nominee than divisive, exhausting Trump”.
August 8, 2022. What happened on August 8, 2022?
The Swamp raided Presisent Trumps home, Mar a Lago.
Coincidence? 😂😂😂
Isn’t politico a leftist blog?
Yes it is. And read the article to see how uncritical they are of DeSantis. There’s a reason why they aren’t criticizing DeSantis.
Actually it’s a left-leaning communication tool of the uniparty.
Politico – really?
You post Left Leaning Media to prove your point & as for Charlie Kirk – he is a bit wet behind the ears I reckon.
I heard him call Murkowski & Collins Moderates yesterday . Those two are pretty well full blown Dems if you ask me – big time RINOs.
I hope he gets better at his job.
Oh, I see, you’re reading Politico. Beware.
You totally missed my point. I am showing that Dem propaganda media is publishing PR for DeSantis. Why do you think that is? Why isn’t Politico critical of DeSantis?
Well, most of the sheriffs are not stupid. Gualtieri in Pinellas County thinks it’s a good idea to require BGCs for buying ammunition. That‘s stupid.
What’s a BGC?
BackGround Check
You got me there…😀
I’m not saying he’s glad his wife got cancer, but think about what a campaign boost that is: pretty mother of young children with cancer. The low info vote their feelings suburban women will eat that up -it’s a lifetime movie plot.
Also, he’s a politician that’s his career – he never had any other job. All decisions he has made since 18 much like Al Gore or Ted Cruz were predicated on the Whitehouse.
That’s a sick, terrible stretch.
Truth hurts sometimes.
Your truth only. Not someone who loses body parts because of cancer.
And the voters will like them more for it. What’s wrong with saying that. Look how defensive you are for them. It’s human nature – especially women.
Why do you think so many women watch Lifetime, Hallmark and crap like This is US? They love to wallow in emotion and feelings – they love a sad story.
But a happy ending
So I guess you are suggesting we all get cancer if we intend to run for any office because WOMEN VOTERS will be more sympathetic to us.
Or maybe you’re suggesting women who watch women’s sappy programs cannot understand the intricacies of politics, economy or history?
Sheesh.
I lived 75 years, and worked on political campaigns and have NEVER heard anything so ridiculously sad.
Really you don’t think a pretty mom with cancer isn’t worth some suburban votes. I betcha if we asked any movers and shakers in the RNC or DNC they could tell us just how many points 5, 10, 15?
You are as intelligent as they come, Mama.
I’ve been avoiding this thread because of all the ridiculous comments from a few days ago.
Thanks for espousing sanity among the completely uncritical thinkers in our midst.
Lulu – I believe you are a man, and, maybe a plant.
I guess his time in the military doesn’t count as a job…..
I could have sworn he was a naval officer.
He was a JAG for a few years. Lindsey Graham is a JAG. He did a couple of years post law school to pad the political resume.
JAG Lawyer
He was in the military.
He was a US Naval Officer
https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/was-ron-desantis-a-navy-seal/
No one said he’s a “demon”. But guess what? He can be bought and paid for. This article rightly points out something so very important about the dynamics at play. The Swamp easily intimidates, bullies, coerces, threatens and entices cooperation by offering “protection” and endless financial backing. Trump never needed it. Never wanted it. His sole focus was on doing a great job for the American people. There aren’t too many people like that. DeSantis would do well to run as Trump’s running mate, should Trump manage to defeat these demon-lizard people who continue to abuse power like Stalin and Hitler to round up and destroy their political enemies. Then, in 2028, DeSantis is on his own. There’s no way he’ll beat Trump for the nomination unless they steal that, too.
IMO, Trump/DeSantis is a winning ticket.
If the Republicans want to win, that is.
I cannot imagine why – well, yes, I can – they all hate Trump, but ……..
I hope the Republicans do not try to make me choose between Trump and DeSantis.
Because at this point, DeSantis is looking more like a tool than a viable candidate.
No thank you.
I agree with you. Desantis as VP for 4 years would give him exposure and experience at the national level first. Trump will have a lot of dirty work to deal with in 2024, and frankly he’s the only person who can do it. Then Desantis can run in 2028, in what will almost certainly be a better environment than we have currently.
Puzzling that people who claim to support President Trump want him to choose a Pence 2.0 as VP ie someone the Swamp would prefer to be POTUS?
Also puzzling that people who claim to support Governor Ron want to push the 43 year old out of his home and out of his Governors job and back into the lair of the DC Swamp demons.
Does Trump need Ron on the ticket in order to win the election? No.
Does Trump need Rons help in DC? No.
Then why the rush to push Ron out of Florida prematurely, onto the 2024 ticket and back into the DC Swamp?
✅️Bullseye 🎯 🎯.
✅️Mike Pence 2.0
Agreed , if DeSantis stays the course – FOR THE PEOPLE . If the Rinos get control of him well then we slip right back to Wall Street controlling our country.
He voted for TPP
I would have thought Pence and Haley would NOT be supporting De Santis. He is far more favorable (at least before these two articles) than they could ever be.
My seense is they do what they’re told.
Can’t do it – be the VP. Both DeSantis and Trump reside in Florida. 12th Amendment
Very true daveinthed.
That is very much a weakness for DeSantis.
Donald Trump can stand alone with We The People backing him.
DeSantis must dance to the tune of the nasty DC Swamp creatures and they know it.
They say jump and DeSantis says how high.
DeSantis, like all political creatures, must throw us the American people under the bus for his career.
And he will.
There is nothing he can do about it and there is nothing we can do about it except to support Pres Trump.
Our chance to throw off the chains of these creatures is with a once in a life time candidate of Trump, they know this and will do anything and everything to keep it from happening.
The silence from DeSantis after the raid on Mar A Lago was very telling.
Very enlightening and the questions I have had about DeSantis were finally answered.
He is a Uniparty creature, bought and paid for.
Which is exactly why Trump needed to start a new conservative political party. There is no saving the R party. We need a new party in which we can hold the office holders accountable and which can give voters a clear alternative and educate them on the actual facts about issues.
You certainly could be right, but you could certainly also be wrong. Discernment is being able to distinguish truth from lies and be willing to accept the truth no matter how ugly. It also allows for grace when you’re wrong. Maybe save that vote for when you’ve had time to watch this play out. Sundance is telling you what will happen and how changes in DeSantis will occur if he’s now part of “the club”. Pay attention. Watch closely because people will always show you who they really are. You just have to be willing to see it.
This article seems to have accused, tried and convicted him already, in a year where he is running for Governor only.
Can we PLEASE get past the Governor’s race first?
I guarantee you Charlie Crist and the Florida Dems are salivating this morning!!!!
Then why he is going outside his State of Florida?
To rally in behalf of Trump’s endorsements?
Suspicious cat!
I hope your right! Oops there I go using that word again (hope)
Because the candidates ASKED for his support!!!! He’s a popular governor with name recognition. Why wouldn’t they ask for his support and endorsements? Or, maybe they too are GOPe?
Well, you know, governors don’t just work in silos and vacuums. They network with one another, support one another—— just like in the “civilian world”. So I am not reading anything more into this.
So candidates in battleground states who are asking for RD to campaign for them means that RD is GOPe? Okay then…….
If he truly is GOPe, then why would they as him to endorse them? Unless they are GOPe also.
✅️Many/most “are GOPe also”.🤔
Ding ding ding. They are also GOPe. Can’t go there yet. People need blindfold taken off slowly.
Do you go back and see the level of your comment paranoia?
Lord help us- you people are rabid.
You don’t live in Florida. If you did you wouldn’t be drumming up all this hate and speculation, three months away from the 2022 election.
Oh please DeSantis will win reelection handily.
in a year where he is running for Governor only.
That’s just it. He’s actually running for President too, he just hasn’t announced yet. As Fortified City implies, he’s doing the rally tour in battleground states to prepare for his presidential run.
If DeSantos continues on the same path I would want him to run for president at sometime in the future.
Why should I assume that he will not continue to implement policies and take actions that I agree with, as he has already?
Does it bug you at all that DeSantis appears to be pushing Trump away now? Trump is the reason DeSantis is Florida Governor and has fans all over the U.S. Do you wonder why Turning Point/Charlie Kirk is promoting DeSantis as the new face of the GOP party? Uh, what happened to Trump? Trump hasn’t announced that he’s not running.
Why do you think running for President is the prize? It is the PRICE he is paying, not some kind of reward. Pity those that run; pity even more those that serve.
The Democrat governors association isn’t even donating to Crist’s campaign.
DeSantis should be more concerned with securing that Florida’s votes are honest. AND, he is not.
Ever ask yourself why?
Did you do your research before contributing this comment? CAMPAIGN INTEGRETY COMMITTEES all over the state in all 67 counties combing thru each and every voter roll, system, employee, etc; passed by the state legislature and signed into law by DeSantis. Let’s see…that happened maybe 6 months ago?
Voter picture ID required.
Signature verification required.
Retraining of all poll workers and monitors required.
And how many other states are doing this?
Most counties have paper ballots.
Keep pushing back. Good job.
She’s a rockstar!
Pushing back with researched truths . I’ll spend all day defending a good Conservative family..and for me, that is a job well done.
Nobody is saying DeSantis is corrupt. But we have good evidence that he’s closer to a GOPE than MAGA. And every voter should understand this and be aware of who they might be promoting or voting for.
This. This. This.
The election is three months away. No one wants DeSantis to leave his governor role.
I hope you are right.
Kudos for deciding to vote for Ron to be Florida’s governor for a second term.
Fortunately, fellow Floridian, Sundance, is seeking to protect voters like you who want Ron to be your governor for another four year term. 😘
Sundances article is about Ron being tempted by the GOPe to abandon his job as Florida’s governor and the people who voted for him to serve as their governor.
If enough voters like you who care about Ron become aware of these GOPe temptors, they can help strengthen young Ron, and protect him from the scheming Swamp snakes.
With enough encouragement from on voters, Ron, who is, after all, a politician, can issue a FORCEFUL statement that he will not, under ANY circumstances, run in 2024.
This can thwart the schemers who are using Rons possible candidacy to push anti Trump psyops at a time when our SURVIVAL depends on our UNITY and our FOCUS.
And let me guess, he must make this announcement ALL before November? Lol. Any other demands? Someone upstream apparently would prefer no one hear about his wife’s cancer, because you know, that’s not okay as a sympathetic narrative. Surely, there’s more. He must denounce his college affiliation, his career?
Aren’t we just so entitled.
Why fear DeSantis for the 2024 election? Trump is clearly the favorite.
Exactly 💯
A splitter strategy by the Rino GOP eh ? Now that makes sense in a Machiavellian sort of way. Makes me think of Mitch McConnell & Paul Ryan type of move.
Everyone should Vote for him for governor. I don’t think that’s what this discussion is about. It’s about him starting to campaign for the presidency which would put him in direct opposition to President Trump and split our movement quite a bit. That’s the issue here.
He’s a great governor and should continue in that role. But he needs to stay in his lane and not split our movement.
It really is that simple.
If he runs in 2024 in the primary for president it will not split the ticket for Maga. The two of them will get almost all the GOP voters. In a case like that it would likely be Trump for president and DeSantis for Vice President.
President Trump would not be safe with DeSantis as V.P. In fact, maybe the only two people who could serve as good insurance policies are Sarah Palin or Alex Jones. 😉
I understand what you are saying, but we’ve already seen the divisiveness in discussions on the blog, so I think that’s indicative of what would happen, particularly since it appears he’s going off on his own without interacting jointly with 45.
Did you see the twit someone posted of him meeting on Nantucket with donors pr Ed Henry?
Exactly 💯
HAS ANYONE ON HERE HEARD HIM ANNOUNCE HIS CANDIDACY FOR POTUS IN 2024???
So far it is rumors. Suppositions. Temptation to run, etc; That last piece of chocolate cake in my refrigerator is tempting me, but no one but my dog knows that, and besides, I think it’s stale anyway.
Trump is putting him in a tough spot. He can’t announce until deep state eliminates Trump…
Don’t hold your breath on DeSantis NOT running for the Office of President. That has been his purpose all along, and it’s apparent when you see and listen to him speak. It’s not that I disapprove of him so much as it’s very important to me to continue to support Trump’s effort to run in 2024.
I have no problem with Trump and DeSantis running in the GOP primary. That will guarantee me a Maga candidate for president.
There is absolutely NO DOUBT.
I have been inundated with RNC snail mail and email with DeSantis’ name on it.
Besides I want him to remain my governor.
He doesn’t know squat about fixing the economy. He is a freakin’ lawyer.
And I get twice as many from who knows where using the name TRUMP, soliciting campaign contributions. Shoukd I “assume” he is GOPe???
Rep. Sabatini proposed that DeSantis should call for a session of both houses immediately and push for strengthening Amendment 10 provisions establishing primacy of the state over the issues surrounding Trump so any unauthorized and unjustified witch hunt in Florida against Trump can be stopped in its tracks. Sometimes you can learn as much or more about a man by what he doesn’t say or do. I’m with SD on this. Just watch.
I have appreciated a lot of things DeSantis has done but I think he had to do those things in order to get his “MAGA street creds”. It’s the same way many conservatives believed in Ted Cruz and thought he would be a much better President than Trump because he spoke to language that conservatives wanted to hear and see and had a track record. It’s the same thing for Mike Pence lots of conservatives loved him and for good reason but I wasn’t sure his persona was real because he was as polished as they come. People like President Trump are a rare breed, he has the tools and resources and can’t be purchased.
You don’t get into politics today without knowing someone is going to approach you and want your influence, how could DeSantis be so naive to believe they wouldn’t come after him when he is polling behind Trump on many polls. These evil demons need someone on the inside to surround Trump and smother him, deceive him and throw him off balance, etc. If I’m Ron DeSantis I’m going to President Trump letting him know what I know and what I’m dealing with and I’m helping him win the Presidency even if I have to do it on the downlow and pretend I’m helping the other side. If I go down at least I am at peace knowing I didn’t sell out. How can you go this far just to sell out? Do they have something on him?
Our Gov, DeSantis just fired a Soros backed State Attorney. He’s also given more than one statement, I’d consider a rant, regarding Mir Lago and Pres Trump. What is required nowadays? Cut off your right arm, what??!?
More evidence to consider: Dem propaganda media’s articles about DeSantis going on the TPUSA rally tour. If Dem propaganda media is flattering to DeSantis then you should wonder why!
Here’s an article from NBC that is like PR for the rallies and there isn’t one critical word about DeSantis. NBC is parroting the “DeSantis is an alternative to Trump” meme. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/ron-desantis-headline-rallies-battleground-states-month-rcna42050
Here’s a very similar article from Politico. More PR, no criticisms. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/08/desantis-headline-gop-rallies-00050337 Bolding is mine.
Headlining a series of out-of-state rallies as his own general election campaign approaches is a sign of his campaign team’s confidence in their position and yet another signal that DeSantis is trying to expand his national network ahead of what many view as a 2024 run for the White House. […] Some members of the Republican Party are toying with the idea of creating distance from Trump as the general election begins. There’s been some fatigue setting in among Republican donors across the country, and some party leaders increasingly see DeSantis as a way to create Trump-like energy and policy outcomes in a less divisive way for Republicans — even as his focus on culture war-type fights turns him into one of the most controversial political figures for Democrats.
Notice how we voters are left in the dust. It’s the Republican Party and donors who are driving this splintering. Don’t be sucked in by it.
People who planned to attend the rallies should stay home. Still vote for the candidates who are the alleged reasons for the rallies, of course. But face it, the rallies aren’t about those candidates, they’re about DeSantis and his desire to be President and his willingness to shove aside the hand that fed him …
Willingness to shove aside the hand that fed him, now that he has other hands feeding him …….
Why would you assume the worst about a person who has actually achieved success in propagating Maga principles within his state. It’s not like we have a plethora of Maga politicians to choose from.
He’s not really propagating MAGA, he’s doing some things that other good Republican Governors do. And they’re not MAGA either.
Why do you think DeSantis is distancing himself from Trump? Why do you think DeSantis went to Nantucket MA for a fundraiser? Why do you think Turning Point is promoting DeSantis so heavily and sending him on a tour of battleground states?
“ If Dem propaganda media is flattering to DeSantis then you should wonder why!”
I know why, the propaganda media wants Maga voters to implode and destroy each other. Judging from the comments here they are successful.
Keep in mind, many posts here could be demoralizers tasked with sowing such a rift. But yes, many are genuine, and it appears it was a bit easy to get them to completely chuck nuance of thought out the window.
Not !!!! This is how we sort out all the chaff & mirrors . I can see why the lure of the Rino Chamber of Commerce would be a hell of a temptation to any politician – which Tramp ain’t !!!! That is the beauty of DJT. Let DeSantis do cleanup in 2028 if the Rino GOP & CoC don’t corrupt him.
It appears to me the DeSantis fans can’t take the heat. You have zero tolerance for any criticism, even if the criticism is completely warranted.
I want to tell you I had a very positive image of DeSantis until very very recently. Now I’m bothered by what I have seen and discovered. I believe he’s not MAGA but GOPE. I believe he’s going to go for the money from big-$$ GOPE donors.
Trump is the reason why DeSantis is the Florida Governor and why DeSantis is popular nationwide. You’d think he’d be grateful for that.
The underlying issue facing us today is honest elections. Nearly every issue can be resolved at the ballot box if our votes count. What has Ron done to ensure an honest election? He tackles issues with big media press but he seems quiet on the real issue of ensuring our right to vote in an honest election.
If you want to test a candidate see if they are securing the elections or are happy with the theft as long as it benefits them.
What has Trump done to actually fix voting irregularities?
How did he allow things to become so botched up in GA?
States control their voting regulations, not federal.
What a croc.
We just witnessed how Team Obama and a media baron simultaneously coopted a State election and a Presidential primary.
The whole point is that they used their power to influence the outcome.
This ain’t about DeSantis vs
Trump
Actually the subject of discussion is actually DeSantis.
Another wholesale declaration with zero substance. Quit fabricating storylines.
The article was a frontal assault on the Republican/Deep state machine with DeSantis and others the overt targets. It may be 100% accurate. But that doesn’t change what the message is and how it is being used by others.
Please stop using your father’s computer.
My father is dead. Piss off.
The reason for discussing DeSantis is because of Trump. It makes no sense to complain about DeSantis when Trump has done the same things, like hobnob and associate with the GOP establishment. Trump lauded them all and appointed them to high positions and many of them turned out to be fakes and duds.
Please. Trump did a bazillion amazing things. Are you expecting him to fix EVERYTHING?
What have you done to help, phillip? What is your plan to fix the problems?
Bravissima !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I served 21 years. I work at the personal level when it comes to family, friends and acquaintances. I get the message out and then hope that information follows a network paradigm. I, like Sundance, have my sources as well. Not as deep, but informed just the same. You’d be surprised by the role of serendipity in all of this.
Quit the crap.
I’m not the one in charge. I’m not the one who friggin failed. I’m not the one who did not accomplish the primary objectives.
I’m not the one who was empowered.
The problem I see on this board and elsewhere is the incessant rationalization: too many traitors, too many obstacles, too corrupt a bureaucracy, too few individuals of integrity in positions of power. Well, guess what, that set of circumstances applies universally to anyone who challenges the prevailing power structure. At some point, it becomes a built in excuse factory. The only thing that matters is succeeding – or as someone else put it – “winning”. And winning, in this instance, is not a piecemeal concept.
Nope. I reflect the j’accuse back at you. There are a lot of us – a lot. Sundance is right about that. If you want to follow the same purity standard as the folks you avowedly detest – your quest is already over. Your tent isn’t nearly as expansive as you think it is. A movement to restore the Constitutionally defined powers of government and recapture the essence of the American experiment in freedom and self-determination is going to require a larger coalition than the minority of folks blathering every day about the evident corruption and evils. It’s gonna require emergent and sustained leadership, strategy, resources, command and control (even if diffused), coordination, etc., etc. Where is that infrastructure being intelligently and purposefully erected?
Save the puerile stuff for someone susceptible to spitballing. Others have more adult pursuits in mind.
Like others here, you have a lot of complaints but haven’t suggested any plan of action.
I have outlined what is missing. What have you put before the MAGA crowd that is busy shooting itself in the foot?
If you have been reading the comments regularly you’ll see that I’m constantly telling people how I think they should vote. Deal with RINOs during the primaries, but in general elections vote all-GOP even if you have to vote for the RINOs you couldn’t oust. #1 goal is to get rid of Dems, #2 is to get rid of RINOs. And sometimes I go beyond that. I have also been advising people in ranked-choice-voting states how they should vote to ensure they keep GOP seats with the GOP, especially Alaska. I offer concrete easy-to-follow plans, and in the case of AK’s special election I show how they can lose their sole Rep seat to Dems if they don’t do the ranking properly.
I haven’t yet seen anything from you regarding what people should do to make things better. You say you “outlined what is missing”. In your prior comment I see 7 paragraphs of b*tching.
So go ahead. How should we make things better? What’s your plan?
Trump had a very difficult battle with all these deep state crooks but I don’t think he had the right tactic of dealing with them. Either he was very naïve with all those duds he appointed, or he was using leverage that failed. By leverage I mean that he knew of what they were doing and yet he did not disclose that to we the people. The only reason not to disclose what they were doing to we the people is that he wanted to maintain the institutions and thought he could do that with the leverage his information gave him. I think if he had gone to the people during his presidency and named them and exactly what they were doing they might all have been in jail today.
Because Trump is not in position to create laws, rules nor regulations I will … nah I was going to suggest changing “…actually fix…” to actually ‘tried’ to fix but we’ll leave it as posted. Trump has shined the light on the illegal/questionable events of the 2020 election cycle. He has challenged the results. He has organized supporters to take their grievances’ to court. He has not laid down. He has not gone into hiding. He has provided time and effort to support those which have supported him. And still does.
Now about Desantis… He has done ????? to ensure safe/fair/secure national elections?
His focus was his constituency the state of Florida as it should be. Why would he meddle in trumps domain which would have included national elections. There was plenty of evidence even before Trump of problems with the machines George Soros ownership of sequoia and SCYTL. He would’ve rightly assumed that Trump would’ve been taking care of business in his job as president.
Good thing 2020 wasn’t after the fact/late in the game!
I support DJT’s agenda. What I don’t support is failure to achieve the objectives. I really don’t care who is in charge. I only care about results. My life, your life, everyone on this board – the conditions of our lives are getting worse.
The mission wasn’t accomplished. Forces that existed long before DJT assumed office were not contained and eliminated. Why not? I keep asking: what structure, staffing, C2, etc., has been put in place to ensure different results on the next go around?
I take your reply as constructive criticism of Trump. I believe your expectations were/are set a tad high. You seem to have expected Trump, a rank political rookie, to deconstruct what has been decades in construction. Having no allies in power what he did do was about all he could do. What did he do? He alerted and made visible the filth that is DC. Can you provide your resolution to a single issue facing Trump, and We the people, from the day he assumed the office. From conception to fruition a single issue resolved? Now remember you have no allies that are in power to help you. You have lifer’s in position working against you and you don’t even know those positions exist. This is a timed test – you have 4 years. Your time starts now.
What have YOU done ?
Everything you have done and more.
If only 45 had moved to my Fulton County, and become a poll watcher,…
If only 45 had moved to GA and become SOS ,
If only 45 had moved to GA and become governor,
If only 45 had done this in all 50 states,
If only,.,.
What planet do you live on?
Where is your false, dumb reality based on?
Go back to momma’s basement.
Ahhh….striking a nerve…am I?
I’ll let you know next time I visit Bass Harbor.
It’s not about hands on you fraud, it’s about building the structure and institutionalizing the change. What do you think the Socialists have been doing all along? I could see it when I voted in 2020 – I made a challenging statement about the integrity of the voting machinery at the identity verification desk and within two minutes some IT twit was called forth to “address my concerns”. Three questions later and I knew he had no idea beyond running diagnostic software given to him.
I really don’t care about the feigned loyalty. What is being done to undo the Socialist machine with a comparable MAGA machine? How many ways does the same **** question have to be asked?
Do your own research and stop whining.
“What has Trump done?”
President Trump is the ONE person who has kept the issue of securing our local, county and state elections ALIVE despite unrelenting and vicious efforts to get him to shut up about it and move on.
The actual work to fix elections is the job of “we the people” in each state.
President Trump has motivated, acknowledged and rallied for these people.
When questions are sincere rather than neo pharisaical traps, the questioner seeks to find answers to his questions rather than asking others to take that journey for him.
Fortunately, those who search for the truth will find it.
Bon voyage.
You can’t even fathom the depth of the discussion.
Don’t forget that the involvement of George Soros in Sequoia and SCYTL have been known for many years. And I wonder if dominion is the company that Soros sold Sequoia to in a forced sale.
No argument here.
Look at the infrastructure that human disgrace has set up to influence outcomes.
It takes more than suasion and courage.
What did President Trump do to secure fair elections. Many of these issues had crept up while he was president? You have to apply the same standard to President Trump.
I agree with you that elections are the most serious issue, I believe that all the investigations of these electrical machines should’ve taken place prior as many of these issues were known before. Especially the fact of Soros involvement in Sequoia and SCYTL
If DeSantis is so stupid as to run against Trump in 2024 he’s not the man we need, either.
I think the GOPe wants DeSantis to be positioned to be picked as Trump’s running mate in 2024. They know and he knows he could never win the nomination against Trump. But if they can get him to be Trump’s VP, they think they can mitigate damage to their cause during Trump’s second term, and then get DeSantis as their boy in 2028 and beyond.
Personally I think the GOPe (Uniparty) hates Trump and are trying to distance themselves from him
Osage, correct. If we don’t know by now that the GOPe hates Trump as much as the Marxists, we need to wake the heck up.
These DeSantis types all start out as Trump style fighters but sellout as their funders come a callin.’
Pres Trump is the the only candidate in my memory who wasn’t beholden, maybe Perot also.
So, what did we expect? The guy wants to see if he can make the cut into the first string like all politicians and he needs money.
We are dealing with a similar situation here in Virginia with Youngkin. Of course, unlike DeSantis, he’s personally worth hundreds of millions but he’s a RINO, who acted like a socially conservative fighter.
He and our new AG are pandering to the social justice Diversity, Inclusion and Equity tools he hired and appointed to boards to trash our history and our founding fathers; after he ran on eliminating CRT from schools!
Of course they do.
So why does DJT stick with the party? Why not build an alternative? If you believe the magic alembic is replacing the elected Uniparty types – that’s a legitimate response. Is that enough given the time and urgency? Is it succeeding?
DeSantis is no Pence traitor.
Well, THAT is one thing that we will have to wait to see, as Ron has not been put in a position of NATIONAL decision-making, at this point.
DJT wasn’t either when you voted for him (small assumption) in 2016.
Enough hypocrisy already.
A comparison of their executive experience and actions as governors would be instructive. I’ll bet there were some of us who believed Pence would be Trump’s insurance policy. At the beginning, during the 2016 campaign, I did. Oops.
Not accurate. I specifically recall Pence being pushed as a “dependable” Conservative who possessed “insider” bureaucratic management experience needed to complement DJT . To a specific subset, Pence was also pushed for his religious beliefs.
But this discussion will simply lead back to DJT had to depend upon the folks advising him. The Pence selection simply highlights a pattern of personnel vetting that haunted the President in all but a few nominations. It does however, illuminate a related and bigger, IMO, problem: where is the backbench? Where is the organizational structure (co-opted as Obama achieved wrt the Dem party) or ground up?
phillip, if you knew what you were talking about, you would not say this or always referring to President Trump as JBT
“The Pence selection simply highlights a pattern of personnel vetting that haunted the President in all but a few nominations.”
Nonsense. I raise your didactic answer and raise you one.
Clean your glasses : I use DJT. Pointless spitball anyway.
Examples: I worked for someone who was prominent in the Obama administration (not during that presidency but before), someone who recently deliberated on CRT and other post-modernist gibberish. I know, but you don’t, how he got to the top. Hint: it wasn’t riding the woke religion wagon until after he retired. I also went to school with one or two famous personages in MSM and understand just how mediocre and morally bankrupt these people can be ( as well as benefitting immensely from the wealth/position their parents bequeathed).
Again, success requires all factors I have listed. You all haven’t addressed any of those. What you offer are excuses. The obvious answer is that the excuses would apply to anyone pursuing the same agenda as DJT; ergo, the whole effort is doomed from the beginning. I don’t subscribe to that philosophy anymore than I believe in accepting defeatism.
Adapt and overcome. It’s out there how to do it. The MAGA side hasn’t learned from the Tea Party lessons learned. Were one to drink the waters in CTH comments every day one would come to believe that there isn’t a single politician, academic, corporate weenie, gov’t bureaucrat, military leader, media pundit, millennial, etc., etc, that can be drawn upon to shape a strategy, build/staff/operate an organizational structure, manage communications/messaging, coordinate resourcing, blah, blah, blah that is critical to winning this war. How obtuse can people be? DJT cannot win this on his own – no matter how spot on he is. He needs all these tools and he has to form them himself, modify existing institutions (like Obama did) or find people to help him do it.
If he can’t do it, I’ll press to the person who can. Time is running out. If there is no such individual then we’re pretty much all *crewed. Enough excuses. It needs to get done – yesterday! Otherwise, expect the same results.
Wanna bet ?
GOPEs want DeSantis to replace Trump. DeSantis is already distancing himself from Trump.
So… DeSantis is another Pence to President Trump?
Surely DeSantis will not be convinced to run and split the ticket, no he want.
If he does run DeSantis must’ve been told Trump will not be running.
Besides Trump hasn’t made an announcement yet.
I think he’s testing the waters. This battleground state rally tour is one way to do it. I just hope all of the attendees are suspicious and question if the rallies purpose is to promote candidates or to promote DeSantis.
and they won’t announce Trump’s death until after Trump announces he’s running. DeSantis can’t beat Trump.
Remove Trump for DeSantis. Then run one man; a well prepared DeSantis
Read what Sundance exposed, again. DeSantis is voluntarily in on it.
This is dumb.
Seems like Sundance is saying “Trump or nothing”
I take it you’re a DeSantis fan too. You need to be objective and unbiased, look carefully at the evidence. It looks like DeSantis is being bought.
He was in Nantucket on Wednesday night (according to Ed Henry on Thursday morning), maybe meeting with big donors.
Who knows.
Oh boy.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1557861581366624256
An article says “hedge fund titans Jim Pallotta and Dave Saunders” were hosting. What do we know about them?
With the intel and security PDJT is known for; I doubt very much there is next to zero that he is not aware of.
He knows far more than we can imagine.
Is there someone reporting this who doesn’t have the Ukranian flag next to their name? Perhaps an American one?
Just watch the video in the tweet.
THIS is the clincher!! When did DeSantis lose his brain.
When MAGA sees this in USA, he’s sunk.
He blew it, big time, in the majors.
Great governor. He better make sure he wins it.
Jim Pallotta is in the FEC database. $70.8K donation to Romney in 2012. $50K to a PAC supporting Carly Fiorina. And although he donated to Trump in 2016 (a measly $102), he did not donate to Trump in 2020. His only donations in 2020 were to Nancy Mace. It’s a shame donations take so long to show up in the FEC database, I would love to see if he’s dumping money into a DeSantis PAC now.
I don’t know about Saunders yet, I need to find out where he lives. The David Saunders living in MA donated to ActBlue, very tiny amounts, I suspect it’s not the right guy.
DeSantis successfully banned the teaching of CRT in Florida schools.
He canceled the state AG who refused to enact laws that went against his personal woke ideology.
He terminated the laws that gave tax benefits to Disney after it was outed for harboring pedophiles.
This is not the behavior of a GOP establishment guy.
If you read the article, Sundance said that DeSantis is allowed to fight social issues but not the red meat issues that PDJT talks about. Social Issues rally the base without them realizing that, in the end, the RINOs will vote with the dems.
So abortion is a social issue?
And not a moral one?
He didn’t do anything regarding abortion in this state. The law has been on the books pre-Desantis
He supports the state policy. That’s not the equivalent of “doing nothing”. You do understand that everything is fluid in the political realm – correct? His presence prevents the wing nuts in the Palm Beach areas from moving the state in a different direction.
But it’s clever if wanna get the establishment’s attention
The operative word being was. What DeSantis was and is becoming are two different things with the Uniparty GOP now getting involved.
Anyone can be a GOP establishment guy if the price is right. You would not believe how many people compromise their morals and values when cash is waved under their nose.
He is a lawyer. What did he say or do for the January 6 people who are still in jail and denied their rights.
Freakin’ NOTHING. Just another gopE dope.
I rest my case.
“De Santis successfully banned the teaching of CTR in Florida’s schools”.
Actually, Ron didn’t VETO a bill, passed by the Republican controlled House and Senate. Instead, Ron signed the bill so it became law.
Have you actually READ the bill to see what it does or are you just relying on Ron hyping news outlets to tell you the truth?
Didn’t read this or any other article by Sundance around Ron yet opining anyway?
I agree , BUT it would be very hard for any politician to resist the checkbooks of a few billionaires. It is just the augly reality of politics and DeSantis is new to this national level attention and all the pitfalls and obligations that go with those checkbooks.
It’s the behavior of someone positioning themselves to be the front runner after they take Trump out. They will fail.
So the Dems. give up Florida – it was already lost. It cost them nothing to make Desantis look like a super hero badass. Not really challenging his words or actions; garnering MAGA praise and adulation. All the while the snakes in the grass slither forward with their plan.
I like both of them. And a contested primary is not necessarily a bad thing.
A contested primary would he the worst possible thing for us. Don’t you remember all of the turmoil at the 2016 Republican Convention?
That’s what it will take…Trump or nothing.
Yes, or no.
It should be getting obvious that should Trump win again, they will do everything they can to stifle him. The plan I’m sure is to create chaos around him. Not that I don’t support him and his platform. He’d actually be more effective reconstituting and leading the Republican Party. If that even possible.
500 mini-Trumps are better than one.
Are you saying DeSantis would be more effective at leading the Republican Party? Leading it where? Back to the old GOPE/RINO days of Romney and McCain and the Bushes?
When he returns, President Trump will be able to succeed in DC because he has been, still is and will continue to be, focused on “reconstituting and leading the Republican Party” and creating many more than “500 mini Trumps”.
In fact, President Trump is inspiring Americans to step forward and declare to the world “I am Trump”.
H/T “Spartacus”.
Finally, Teddy Roosevelt’s famous “Man in the Arena” speech is the narration/soundtrack for many inspiring Trump tribute videos. Theyre well worth searching for on You Tube although I wouldn’t use Google.
Then give it up now. The guy is 76. One of my largest complaints about DJT is that he has never, ever, developed the back bench. The light is on him, which is fine in many ways (he becomes the flak jacket), but it’s tough **** once he moves out of the political scene.
Where’s the organizational structure and grooming of future leaders? All I am told is how everyone else is compromised by the machine. Five years now of coulda, woulda, shoulda. The sands are fast emptying from the political hourglass.
I’m very angry about what has befallen DJT – it’s clearly orchestrated and very likely illegal. But I’m also angry about how DJT is being marketed by his acolytes. What’s the plan beyond show up and vote?
How about this? Release the hoax/Mueller communications and papers even it it means a trial and let the chips fall where they may. They are going after him full throttle. At some point the key decisions have to be made.
Maybe you should reread Sundances article on how Trump picked his people. He never ever developed a back bench? Did you read how the GOPe funnels the people that can be picked. If the gang of 8 doesn’t approve then HIS pick gets nixed! He went around them in some ways later in his term. He put Genel in charge of the DNI in a temporary way. His original pick Ratcliff was getting flack by the GOPe so he pulled out. But when Grenel became a pain in the ass for all of his declassifying and releasing information? Radcliff was back in the picture. They thought Radcliff would be easier to control but it (info releases) kept coming!
Don’t put this on Trump. He was stifled in every possible way by everyone around him except for a few.
If he gets in for a second term he will do much much better picking his own people, putting them in in a temporary way and doing damage to the swamp.
Why so many ifs?
I’m tired of “ifs”.
Too much fantasizing or wishful thinking going on. The only thing that matters are facts on the ground. The threat and how it operates has been documented extremely well. It’s the “home team” that lacks definition here. It’s gotta be something more than head counts at rallies. Those people are important – but they are not, for the most part, the insider action agents; the organized opposition, the folks with the power to fight back. This business of insurmountable obstacles is a double-edged sword.
The Grenell/ Ratcliff switch play was a cool move. I can just see Trump laughing when he pulled it off.
What is YOUR plan?
To blindly follow natural leaders and informed experts like yourself!
Ooops. Yea, that was too easy. Apologies. But, as they say (almost), tit for dat.
Again, what is your plan?
I’ve outlined what I think is needed. Read my posts.
What is your plan?
All you do is complain about what’s wrong. I see no constructive suggestions.
Perhaps the back bench of PDJT is of a different appearance; watch the actions of the group of MAGA endorsements who are or become successful. Trump has been doing well in that regard, building wide political capital both for himself and for those his popularity rubs off on by his choice. A different path to the same destination?
Watch indeed! I hope the strategy achieves critical mass in time for all of us to survive the you know what storm we are headed for under the present Ruling Class.
Thank you for your loyalty to someone who gave their all for you./sarc.
How ungrateful can you be?
Mitch McConnell, is that you ?
LOL!
You sound like a ring kisser!
Trump’s hands were tied in backbench filling. He authorized doc release before leaving office. Nothing you complain about was Trump’s fault.
If you did any reading before typing you’d know this.
You know phillip, your retread arguments are starting to show.
Because I have to repeat them to the learning impaired. Everything all the acolytes have said of DJT is true. No one yet has disputed my point. The Socialists/Deep State/whatever title ascribed to the Ruling Class are not dependent upon any one individual. They have a system, they have presence, they have built firewalls into the system – all the stuff Sundance has covered for the last five and more years. Where is the same holistic MAGA approach? Not something equally villainous, but something equally omnipresent.
And it will then fail. One man with no support structure inside government and no backbench of cultivated, experienced, battle tested younger generations to hand the banner to will fail.
DJT cannot succeed on his own (no matter how much the relatives contribute).
DJT has impressive successes. His presence on the political landscape has made a difference – a huge difference. But he has not built the political infrastructure needed to prevail. It took the Dem/Prog/RINOs decades to do so. Winning this war must viewed as a long-term challenge.
He did succeed. And he had some good people working for him, especially his economic team. He’ll be even better the second time.
So when Trump is done so are we. Our eggs are all in one basket because according to Sundance we don’t have anyone else. And Kari Lake does not count since she has only proven that she can talk the talk. There has been no walk the walk.
In 2024 anyway … it IS Trump or nobody for me. The GOPe won’t get my vote if they conspire to undermine his candidacy.
Exactly.
I’ld buy into it if there was a roadmap. DJT is believable. The problem is that he is always on the defensive; too many actions not taken.
Why is Trump always on the defensive? Because the Dems are always on the attack. So nice job blaming the victim and choosing to move on because Trump is too much trouble for you. You are doing exactly what the Dems want you to do.
Yawn.
Who said anything about moving on? I’m casting some light on an obvious problem.
It’s either addressed or we might as well start the paperwork for dual citizenship just in case a get out of jail free card is needed.
No Serena ,phillip is doing exactly what they hired him to do, never feed a troll.
✅️ Bullseye 🎯 🎯
(sigh) You’re right.
You betcha.
Hope you’re a better judge of folks in your professional life. You have zero details on who I am or how I have conducted my life. Why, on that basis alone I might be entitled to make the same claim about you!
Exactly, so people are talking about he has baggage and creates too much chaos. That was the plan. If they had kept to the normal disagreements & criticisms of the other party’s president there wouldn’t have been all the baggage or chaos.
The plan was to destroy him because”his ilk can never be allowed to rise again.”
He fought attacks every day and had no help from the republicans, who didn’t want his ilk around either. There were a few who had come around,after evidence mounted he wasn’t a Russian agent, but for the most part, he was all alone.
I get angry just thinking about what that bunch of crooked hack politicians and the media did to him.
But isn’t that the point? Why no support – at all?
Precisely the reason I believe a completely separate infrastructure, staffing, communications – maybe/probably even party – needs to be built.
How does that get done? What do you suggest we do to facilitate it?
The swamp thanks you for your continued willful blindness.
The swamp’s nominee in 2024 will be Pence.
DeSantis is only in the mix to split the MAGA vote.
This is not rocket science.
Deep. Very deep!
Of course, it doesn’t address the problem I presented…speaking of willful blindness.
Pence will meet the same fate in the 2024 primaries that Jeb Bush did in 2016. The GOPe may love him and the donors may love him, but Pence has no base of popular support. Now, Nikki Haley might be better able to fool people, but Pence won’t make it past February 2024 in primary season. He is despicable, as Jeb was.
The swamp’s nominee in 2024 will be Pence.
lol!
Finally! Something we can agree on.
It’s always nice to have the biggest gun in the war, but without loyal, trained personnel with the knowledge and courage to fire it, not to mention the key to the ammunition box, well, your gun is useless…might scare the enemy for a nano second.
He doesn’t have enough of an army to load, aim and fire that shiny weapon.
The few DC loyalists, other than citizens, should have retired years ago. (We desperately need term limits).
So if he wins in 2024, who do you trust to fill his cabinet, staff, military, SS, and other agencies?
Nice to get him elected, but it would be even nicer if there were a few days here and there of peace and quiet.
My observation/opinion only, regardless of who is sitting in the oval, the war will continue until every soul has departed, and planet earth once again quietly rotates around the sun. This turmoil will not end with Trump or anyone else at the helm.
God protect him and his family, as I’m not seeing a happy result here.
I agree. The other side built a machine, a construct for controlling outcomes. That’s one component of the re-attack that needs to happen here. An infrastructure that challenges and ultimately dismantles the Eyes of the Socialist Sauron.
Look up the definition for the word grifter. Then evaluate who in the GOP benefits and rides the coattails from the Trump name/brand. Next, ask yourself who has done more for this country with his policies, his America first agenda, and his patriotism. Finally, go back to the grifter definition and realize there is only 1 man who exposed the deep state/uniparty corruption. Everyone else is just grifting or backstabbing that man who dared to come against the political uniparty machine.
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it!”
At this point in US history, yes, it is Trump or nothing. Trump is the only one in the life situation, with the stones, and with the charisma to turn around the rot created by Obama and his conspirators.
DeSantis just got bought off by our GOPe enemies. His silence instead of publicly supporting Trump, speaks volumes. DeSantis is not MAGA and he just killed his political career.
Supposedly Florida just issued “Don’t Tread on Me” license plates. Someone should ask him if he really believes that. If so, why did he allow the raid on MAL
How did DeSantis allow a fbi raid? I don’t know how he could have stopped it.
I think the original plate design was yellow with an alligator and read, “Don’t Tread on Florida”.
Amen amen, I’m going with the one who made it through the crucible of fire over and over.
As for DeSantis he has done only what he was hired to do and in today’s politics is absolutely astounding.
But Trump is the original deal, father of MAGA.
As it was pointed out earlier by another poster everyone else is just a passenger on the MAGA train in which Trump is that awesome locomotive.
He got this MAGA train moving initially I’m not jumping to another.
Trump is pulling that train and we’re suppose to be helping not just riding.
If I could I would like my own post
It seems a lot more people read than like. Trust your insight. Thanks for the post.
I’ll agree with you on one thing: if DJT disappeared tomorrow, for whatever reason, MAGA dies on the vine.
He hasn’t built the structure and backbench. How many times does this have to be repeated before it sinks in? A bunch of angry posters is three steps removed from real power. The Deep State/IC detached from oversight and control didn’t just happen. It was built. It recruited and populated various levels of the decision hierarchy. Reprehensible or not, it adopted a strategy, it recruited miscreants completely loyal to the message and its directives, it developed resourcing and mechanisms for moving those resources around, it forged alliances with foreign leaders and intelligence agencies, it created the money conduits into the system and accommodating regulatory bookkeeping out of the system, it erected a fiscal/monetary and tax structure fulsomely in touch with the demands of the one percenters, it suborned the fourth estate, and on and on. None of that happens as a consequence of a single individual. It doesn’t sustain itself without constant recruiting. The same, albeit ethical, structure, staffing, resourcing, etc., will be needed to fight and then overcome “the enemy within”. Right now, I don’t see it.
In reality, at this stage of our “win or die” war with the Global Swamp psychopaths, it IS “Trump or nothing”.
No. They’ll remove Trump so it’s DeSantis or nothing. GOPe’s are preparing DeSantis. Not Trump.
Well…at this moment in US; no one else has the ability, knowledge, strategy, brinkmanship, courage, fearlessness, warrior, wisdom and vision; that is all Donald John Trump!
Providential.
Splitter strategy coming during primaries.
Question is will Rs deliberately fold like they did in 2008 2012.
We survived splitter strategy in 2016, we can do it again in 2024.
Really good piece and I believe, spot on.
Is it possible we are seeing a ‘big dance’ occurring involving PDJT to accept a package? This has been in the back of my mind since PDJT has done everything but declare for 2024. A package of say $25B, full immunity for PDJT, his family, and associates, the stopping of all the lawfare nonsense, and the whip cream and cherry on top that DeSantis could help with, a irrevocable, transferable, casino license for Miami. PDJT is a very smart businessman, who is used to accomplishing large, bold deals quickly no matter how tough. PDJT is not some punk frat boy like McConnell playing his parlor games. Every good businessman has a way out, a walkaway plan. The UniParty could come up with a large package, they may complain but they can do it. Just sayin’.
No, according to David Plouffe.
You’re saying Trump can be bought, he’s just like them. Trump can’t spend all the money he has during the years he has left.
They’ll *eliminate* him. Because they need Trump supporters to move the votes to DeSantis. The very name “Unite America” says it all. The sheer size of Trump crowds make it clear if DeSantis ran against Trump it would divide the voters. The GOPe needs Trump voters to voluntarily move to DeSantis. There is no other way to do that then eliminate Trump. Name one other way if Trump decides to run.
LOL, I’d tell him to take it. He has endured enough.
This behavior has changed my mind about wanting DeSantis as a future president (post-Trump). I’d rather have Kari Lake. Me
If Kari gets elected in AZ, IMO she’d be, if she executes as she’s currently advertising, a far more potent weapon for MAGA in a battle state against the Communist infiltration than as VPOTUS.
IMO Trump should elevate a bulldog MAGA who’s not key to any particular state or district, and particularly not key to a battle state. Someone with a clear record of MAGA under their belt, not a poser or untested entity.
Regardless of opinion of DeSantis, IMO he should remain where he is, as an effective executive for Floridians, and then look to the national scene in 2028 with that solid experience, and a clear separation from his office, under his belt.
I recall the governor of my native state did something similar, albeit with a bit longer interim between his job as governor and later as POTUS. He left voluntarily, declining to run for a third term, and then we had Moonbeam.
Everybody here seems to be falling all over themselves about Kari Lake, but how do we know she isn’t just the latest faddish MAGA flavor? Seems to me that the praise Kari Lake is getting now is the praise Kristi Noem was getting here 24 months ago, and now she is part of the GOPe machinery. Let’s see, first, if Lake even gets elected, and then see how she handles tests of actual leadership, rather than campaigning. I need to see and know more before I blindly support ANYBODY anymore.
I would wait to see how she does as a governor first.
DeSantis would do all of us well if he ran as Trump’s running mate in ’24 then ran as the top dog in ’28.
First things first. DeSantis should be on the rooftops declaring what a farce and an abuse of power this ongoing targeting of Trump, his family, associates and supporters is. It’s treasonous and Stalinesque and we’re all in grave danger from what these evil rats can and probably will do to all of us.
Yes, Trump is 76
Genetically, Trumps 70s are most peoples 50s, especially since Trump NEVER did drank, smoked or did drugs.
His self discipline, considering that he was a celebrity billionaire in NYC, who frequented Hollywood, during a period in our history when alcohol and drug abuse was normal, is extraordinary.
I’m quite sure DeSantis will not accept the position of Trump’s VP. The reason why he’s doing the battleground state TPUSA rally tour is because he wants to be President.
So, what would be the response if DeSantis declined invites to support MAGA candidates?
I don’t think the real purpose of the rallies is to support the MAGA candidates, I think the purpose is to promote DeSantis. Look at the rally posters, look at Charlie Kirk’s statements about the rallies (entirely focused on DeSantis, presenting him as the new face of the GOP party as if Trump doesn’t even exist), look at the locations of the rallies.
That’s just what Sundance is stating… R-D is NOT speaking out with any passion.
Why would anyone want to push 43 year old Governor Ron out of Florida prematurely?
President Trump doesnt need Ron on his ticket to win and President Trump doesn’t need Rons help in DC.
In fact, Ron would be a hinderance by fuelling endless palace intrigue, gossipy hit pieces.
I see what you did there 😉
On that I agree – DeSantis needs to clearly align with those condemning all the actions that unfolded at MAL and with no equivocation state the instigators will be rooted out and held accountable while also claiming he believes in and is committed to the principles and policies that comprise the MAGA movement.
I think we’re watching a fully orchestrated Brutus and Caesar grab for power being presented to the public as a 1970’s family time TV series.
100%. Astute beyond what you might even think yourself.
Interesting.
Establishment psyops were pushing their “Cross the Rubicon, Don” meme hard just before J6.
Obviously they were, among other motives, hoping to bait President Trump into refusing to leave DC peacefully, once the coup succeeded.
Also remember the Media aired ass*ss*nation porn 24/7 in early 2017, especially a modern twist on Shakespeares Julius Caesars famous “Et tu, Brutus?” scene.
In NYCs reimagined version, Caesar wore a suit and red tie.
I will say this…trump is wealthy so he has power away from influence DeSantis does not. That is a huge red flag. That sucks cause I really liked DeSantis. He was really good at getting the digs on the dems without sinking to the trumpy toddler level. I totally see what Sundance is saying and it is probably right. I’m still pissed about it though. I was really hoping DeSantis was the real deal
Charlie Kirk too?
“Trumpy toddler level” is a pathetic dig on President Trump. JMO
Oh, come on people….. you always knew DeSantis was positioning himself to run for President as the younger heir to MAGA. You always knew he was going to run. Because of the FBI/DOJ raid this week, Trump has moved up his timeline…… so DeSantis has to as well. That donation haul that Trump received this week from the base means ANYBODY else who wants to jump into the Republican Primary has to get a move on.
I did not know this.
I thought DeSantis was more of a populist governor who would not be bought. Or blackmailed?
It is disappointing.
Anyone who enters the race against Trump is wasting their time, effort and money.
Trump is the MAGA king. He created the movement and is the only leader. He will win hands down against any of the fools who think they can unseat him.
If Trump is serious, he has to get back in campaign shape and debate shape…… He will need to convince those suburban moms/dads to vote their pocketbook and not their abortion preference…….so he needs sparing partners……. to get into top form…….. and he needs to convince people who aren’t sure they want 4 more years of Trump chaos. That means other Republicans need to run.
I disagree. Trump is already in campaign mode. He has never been out of campaign mode.
He does not need Republican sparring partners, because he has been sparring for the last 6 years with far better than they.
✅️Indeed/👉”he has been sparring “…AND actually Fighting…”for the last 6 years”👈
Is that you Karl? Btw, I totally agree with this “advice”.
If Trump is serious
Are you kidding me?
He’s been rallying for candidates across the US while STILL fighting non-stop attacks by the Dems. And he has been signalling us that he will be running again, but you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of preparations he needs to make, and campaign finance rules to follow, before he can officially announce. It’s extremely early right now, for the 2016 election he announced in June 2015. With that same kind of timing it would be more typical for him to announce NEXT year, not this year.
4 more years of Trump chaos
The chaos was caused by the Dems. Shame on you for propagating their talking points.
Thanks for reminding me that I need to make my very first 2024 donation. To Trump. 🙂
OK, the gloves are off.
I’m going to say what I’ve been thinking about DeSantis for a long time but haven’t wanted to say out loud.
But here it is, and I don’t care if you think it’s a low-down and mean-spirited judgment:
The guy really needs to get a better fitting suit. What a slouch! Compared to President Trump? No contest, none at all!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9CkU_JzAsHYnwx6YukOwAh99U6dxSAfBviE8f583g-Qab3ApW7PZLrsCqt5Qi6ECD9a8&usqp=CAU
Dark seems to work better for him; I found another blue that was larger and would render… color and tailoring could help, agree. Learned that from my wife.
P Trump in 2024 should not pick a politican as his running mate.
Maria Bartiromo would be perfect. She is media savy, an appealing personality, female, supports Trump America First policies, and knows how to use the media to counter punch.
Maria Bartiromo is owned by the Chamber of Commerce. No. Dear God, no.
My current favorite VP pick is Steve Cortes, the famous Chalk Talk guy.
I’m still liking Ben Carson for VP.
I tend to think that if DJT were to declare his candidacy (and, friends, wouldn’t that be about the smartest thing he could do) tonight, we would get some clarity on all of this. I also think that Governor DeSantis may be being steered/motivated by such a scenario.
Great observation and insight.
Is Sundance on Truth or Getter? With Paul Sperry’s recent departure, Sundance has become one of the few reasons I remain on Twitter.
Paul Sperry was permanently banned this morning.
Two speeches at TPUSA…………Keri Lake being 1000% Trump MAGA, and DeSantis doing a weak tea “Im outraged” speech?
How can that play well for DeSantis?
I suppose because the most important objective is to get rid of Trump and MAGA that the MSM propagandists will write nice things about DeSantis for awhile before taking him apart later.
Good point and watching how MSM treats DeSantis is an important part of analysis.
The contrast between Ron and Kari will be delicious. 😘
We are a people addicted to hopium, it’s a hard one to kick.
I think the likelihood that Mitch McConnell would rather absorb someone who they cannot outright control is exactly their MO.
Nothing is a alluring as power and money and you can rationalize a lot of things if you have the right imagination.
Let’s not forget this aspect of the IC who loves to control via treachery and blackmail their favorite MO.
Yes, I can see how very clever it would be to attack the Washington establishment as DeSantis has done.
As a result in the state of Florida DeSantis is as strong as Trump.
Noem is a foregone conclusion she loves a good party.
They think we will not have a choice for they intend to wrap and hogtie Donald Trump up so tight he can’t breathe let alone run for office.
Oh, I know, I know he can run from prison.
Finally, I understand Sundance is rarely mistaken but I’m sure praying he’s got this wrong
You’ll have to watch one of the TPUSA rallies. I think they’re going to be telling.
Just look at the posters, big picture of DeSantis and little pictures of the people who are supposed to be the reasons for the rallies. Dem propaganda media printing info about the rallies as pure PR, no criticisms of DeSantis at all even though he greatly offended the Dems with his various actions as Florida Governor. DeSantis being included in polls, including “without Trump”. It’s all too much to ignore or make excuses for.
“We are a people addicted to hopium”.
Great news, real hope is a gift from God. When ones heart is hope full, they
have the fuel to do the “impossible”.
Obviously, Gods gift, while powerful, is NOT addictive.
Perhaps false/fake imitations are addictive. Or perhaps imitations lead the user to find to the real thing, which is far more likely, imo.
I agree with Sundance in his analysis of GOPe. However…Lest we forget…Several “barges” have been released down a “raging river” and each may have the potential to destroy us. We have no idea of how many “barges” have been released and what their potential is to cause destruction. There may be no way to stop any of these. Let me list some of the “barges”:
1. The effect on supply chains caused because of the government worldwide reactions to the Covid “crisis”.
2. The deliberate ongoing destruction of our energy industry.
3. Marxism being taught in our public schools.
4. Deliberate taunting and provoking the Russian Bear. (Ukrainian foot soldiers may be a few weeks away from a mass mutiny.)
5. Our 2 tier system of (in)justice
6. The consolidation of power in the fourth branch of our government.
7. “Vaccines” that do not provide any immunity pursuant to their stated purpose and in fact may be depopulation agents.
8. The destruction of the Christian faith in this country
9. Expansion of the money supply to the point where the dollar may totally collapse and be replaced by a BRICS sponsored, resource backed money supply.
I could go on but most of you are already aware.
There may be no way to stop any of these
Vote all-GOP on your November ballots. Always. Strip Dems of power. During primaries oust as many RINOs as you can.
If we keep voting like this we will see continued improvement.
Fortunately, none of those barges can truly destroy us unless we, as an individual, choose to be destroyed.
Karl Rove’s bullsh!t used to work. It doesn’t anymore. Too many of us know better now.
Speaking of “Silence of the Lambs” non-responses to the raid, we have heard NOTHING from Ivanka and Jared.
NOTHING
Are they running for a higher office too?
I was wondering about that too…. but perhaps the entire Trump family has learned, after being crucified in the media for 6 years, after having had every word they uttered publicly ripped apart and misconstrued—— maybe they’ve learned that it’s just better to not say anything at all…..
Before DJT became PDJT, Ivanka was an outspoken liberal Democrat from NYC. Even after DJT was PDJT, her statements supporting MAGA and conservative ideology in general were couched and parsed.
A leopard doesn’t change it’s spots.
Correction: Ivanka was NEVER a Democrat. She was a registered Independent, which is VERY unusual for someone in NYC.
She changed her registration from Independent to Republican in 2016.
Further more, Ivankas comfy life has been DESTROYED because, unlike Reagans kids, she refused to turn on her dad.
“A leopard doesn’t change its spots”.
How are biological externalities relevant to a persons heart?
Does this quote reveal a decision to keep Christ out of your heart, for now?
If so, fortunately, redemption is very real ie human “leopards” can and do “change (their) spots. All the time. 😘
Was wondering the same thing. After Trump pardoned his crooked Father, this is the way he repays him?
Ron is governor of Florida. Floridas most famous citizen, someone responsible for him being governor, was just RAIDED by the Swamp. The entire world is now focused on Florida.
How many OFFICIAL statements has Governor Ron made about the Swamps attack on his most famous citizen? NONE
How many official videos about this RAID has he issued, a video that would go viral world wide? NONE
How many questions has he answered about this RAID?
NONE.
Note, the judge who signed off on the RAID is a Florida judge. The Florida based FBI office conducted the RAID and Florida LEOs assisted the FBI when they RAIDED Trumps home in Florida.
Yet what has Florida’s Governor, a Harvard trained lawyer, said?
“NOTHING”.
Conflating Governor Ron with Trumps private citizen daughter who just buried her mom and her husband, why?
Deflecting/defending against uncomfy thoughts and feels?
If so, that’s quite natural. Hopefully, after a breather, pushing through the discomfort will happen.
Best wishes. 😘
could it be that those who are defending DeSantis are the same
ones who couldn’t let loose of support for Cruz and Sessions?
and perhaps even Pence heaven forbid
Good point.
I know what it’s like to be supportive of someone and think the best of them and then be confronted with evidence that demonstrates the contrary. It’s tough to let go of the hope. I like Fortified City’s use of the word “hopium”.
You can’t make people be who you think they are. That’s hopium. When they show you who they are, take them at face value and move on. Life is too short for serial disappointment because what you imagined isn’t so.
Harden your heart, people, and don’t waste time.
👌👍Thanks Jeff Charles
Exactly 💯
In the case of Sessions, he portrayed himself as loyal and strong and ended up being the opposite. So it wasn’t our problem for believing him, it was his problem, he was deceptive.
But in any case, your advice to harden our hearts is good advice. I’m always saying people should be less emotional about voting, we need to vote strategically and not emotionally. The same has to be true of our attitudes about candidates, if we see evidence that someone we thought was MAGA has gone GOPE, then we should not refute that evidence.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-4-what-was-in-the-trump-documents-creating-such-fear-in-doj-and-fbi/
wasn’t there a song with that name? ‘From a pupa to a chrysalis’? sung by Ned Miller? Oh… wait… that was ‘From a Jack to a King’ – my bad.
All you need to know about TPUSA is follow up on the Candance Owens resignation.
TP board forced her to resign because of comments she made about Hitler.
Dig deep and you will see that TPUSA are weak actors who will abandon good MAGA America First people without cause. Particularly people who they can’t “control.” They are already moving from Trump to DeSantis.
Candance Owens has moved on and is a strong voice for our movement.
TPUSA did to Owens what the DNC did, SMEAR her:
Kind of reeks of how the corrupt gopE took over the Tea Party movement.
The Establishment was able to infiltrate and co opt the Tea Party Movement because it lacked a national leader and fierce protector who could guide it safely to adulthood.
That’s why the Establishment, that wants to Tea Party the MAGA Movement, first has to eliminate its parent and protector, Trump.
I suspect TPUSA wants the big $$$$ GOPE donations and they can’t get them by supporting MAGA.
I am almost certain the DC club knew about the raid several weeks ago.
The republican club, specifically the Wall St Donors who run in the elite circles of DC power, didn’t forewarn DeSantis about the raid, but they did coordinate the rebranding to coincide with it…. and tell him to stay low.
The DeSantis management was pre-scheduled. That is a big tell. That shows the club program.
DeSantis is positioned as the “angry MAGA” option following the removal of Trump.
Many people will fall for it…. because they just don’t understand National Club Politics at this level.
There are trillions at stake…. Do you really think they leave these issues to chance?
On the site search feature, search “Castellanos” as in republican consultant Alex Castellanos.
The club approach using DeSantis is exactly what Alex Castellanos outlined to get rid of Trump.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2015/08/24/the-enemy-behind-the-wire-about-that-how-brutus-killed-caesar-consultant/
Thank you for focusing attention on DeSantis at this early stage. It’s much easier to deal with him appropriately now than it would be later on.
Your post here was at 12:29 pm. I posted my reference to Brutus and Caesar at 11:17 am. Could not have read this, your comment, 82 minutes before you posted it.
After absorbing your post, like a mirror becoming transparent glass, the plot to permanently eliminate Trump is confirmed, and prevents the problem of martyrdom.
They cannot pry Trump voters loose. Their logistics are brilliant but dependent on the public. The sheep must peacefully follow the Shepherd provided.
A Trump announcement to run would eliminate his presidency.
The on time message to Unite America continues to fill the hole in the hearts of some.
I foresee your term Uniparty becoming the official party, a single party. Unity. An easy transition for many weary of in- fighting.
“the removal of Trump” you are stating as inevitable?
The “remove Don, replace with Ron” Establishment scheme can be easily crushed in its infancy.
How?
By offering a compelling counter.
“Thank goodness, President Trumps son will pick up the torch and finish the job his dad set out to do, if anything prevents his dad from doing it”.
When this counter to Ron; Trumps is embraced, then President Trump will be faaar safer from Swamp “shenanigans”.
Another thought: President Trump can only serve one more term when re elected.
Howevrr, if he’s unable to run so his son has to step in, his son would be able to serve for two terms with the back up of his dads hand picked team.
Plus the son would also be backed up by a voter base emotionally invested in the son finishing his brave dads mission.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-sends-clear-message-trump-his-supporters-swamp-real-rep-davidson-says
So, if you are running for Governor, let’s say, would you post your condemnation of the raid on your personal account or your Government account?
BTW, Twitter is permanent ly banning Trump supporters this morning who question the raid.
Check out Paul Sperry. He was banned. Permanently.
As were others.
Twitter at its finest is at it again.
Great question. It would depend on whether I was a fearless American who is focused on winning our REAL Lord of the Rings War with REAL saurons and real orcs or an optics and poll driven politician focused on winning an election.
This is how a Republic dies. A good man has to sell himself to others to raise the vast sums of money needed to compete in contemporary politics. He is thus irretrievably compromised.
Only a billionaire has the financial wherewithal to sustain his/her integrity while pursuing the office of President of the United States.
How many billionaires are there in this country, and how many of them would you want to have their hands on the levers of power?
This is how a Republic dies.
In a sea of corruption.
DeSantis needs to keep his nose in Florida. There’s a mountain of work to be done and with all the carpetbagging liberal locusts flooding-in from the northeast and the upper midwest, they could easily tip that state to blue for real.
He needs to acknowledge that Florida is far from OK, it’s just better off than nearly every other state. Most of the other 49 states are pretty screwed compared to Florida, but democrats could change that in one quick election cycle.
If Trump isn’t the 2024 GOP candidate, the dems win easily anyway.
Karl Rove?
Marx.
Both Karls.
Yes
As of this morning, Twitter is permanently banning anyone famous or infamous who questions or condemns the Monday raid on Mar-a-Lago. Be careful not to call it a raid.
THAT’S PROBABLY WHY DeSantis posted on his personal account vs. his Government account.
So how did DeSantis know in advance?
Mamadog , stop reaching for straws.
“That’s probably why” is probably a guess driven by the need to “enable” or white knight/defend rather than just allow things to play out.
Perhaps pray for the kid rather than mounting a reactive digital defense?
“Bold becomes pastel.”
And a shade of purple at that, no doubt.
Yes, watch for purple ties at the event.
Liz Warren wants a Penis
https://www.theblaze.com/news/liz-warren-penis-vote-primary#toggle-gdpr
Another one ? She already has Kuck Kinsinger.
Well that was random LOL
What is it that Sundance would have DeSantis do? Sure, I would’ve loved for RD to call up the Florida National Guard and arrest the FBI agents raiding Mar-a-Lago, but I have no idea of the legality of doing that.
As far as the new press secretary thing, that’s hardly a suprising event considering that Pushaw is moving over to the reelection team.
What could DeSantis have done differently? First –I’ve cheered along to many DeSantis anti-woke moves. I loved the idea we at least had a beachhead in the Free Florida.
But what happened this week was no ordinary political nastiness —this was a sea change event to raid President Trump’s home. Let me give the framework of what just happened and why it is a Rubicon crossing moment — and then I’ll layout some missing actions.
On Monday the FBI ——from the same FBI division currently being investigated by John Durham for corrupt involvement in the Russia hoax —-and using a warrant from a magistrate that six weeks prior has recused himself from a different Trump case due to extreme anti-Trump bias
——-raided President Trump’s home, barring his lawyers from being present and demanding that security cameras be switched off. Such an act has never been done before, ever. This is America’s crossing the Rubicon moment.
What could Ron Desantis have done this week? For starters, not hide from the press behind prerecorded statements.
If he wanted to ever be considered the future MAGA leader after President Trump then he needed to show us his chops that he is the one who can take out the deep state. A boiler plate statement from his personal account –that’s the sword he is using?
He has the full power of he 10th Amendment which gives states more power than the federal govt in all but a few strict areas. He could have called an emergency meeting with the state legislature (as Rep Sabatini has suggested) and legislated to outlaw all FBI activity in the state. The FBI has been politically weaponized against the American people. While he is at it shut down Pelosi’s Capitol Police expansion into Florida. Push law enforcement back down to elected sheriffs. He has the power of the 10th — use it. My understanding is that usually FBI brings in local law enforcement when serving a warrant to a Florida resident –Did local law enforcement participate? If so DeSantis should be firing everyone involved. If not where is his anger that the federal govt thought it could act this way in his state without notifying him in advance?
No real outrage -rather tepid response. DeSantis was not in front of the microphone at all on this issue –no once –all week –he avoided that mic.
This happened in his state. In His State. He was unafraid to bite back at Disney. The Mar-a-lago raid is a Rubicon moment, a tipping point for the country. This past week his non-action speaks so loudly I can’t hear what he is saying –wait he isn’t saying much of anything. He was never shy of the microphone or facing down tough questions from the press –but bunkerville all this week. He’s the future leader of MAGA? He’s going to help us fight the weaponized deep state?
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I was in Jacksonville two years ago at the beginning of this whole Covid nonsense and the Governor was there giving a press conference . I was frankly astounded by his command of the facts. He spoke and took questions for 45 minutes and never once asked anyone to bring him up to speed to answer any question.
This guy is an impressive cat. I don’t think there is anyone in the Washington political class who is qualified to hold up his mailbox.
I find it very hard to believe that he is now being “Handled” by the GOPe.
He has already said that if Trump runs, he will not. So far I have no reason to not take him at his word.
Luv my Guv and want him for four more years.
Bags of money speak louder than anything else.
Would you mind posting a link to this,
“He has already said that if Trump runs, he will not. So far I have no reason to not take him at his word.”
He may not have exactly said that, I can’t find that quote, but people here would have us believe that he is running for a second term as governor that will start in 2023 and then turn right around maybe two, three months later and announce that he is running for president?
I have not seen anything in his demeanor or actions that would lead me to believe that he would be that dishonest about his intentions.
He also does not come across as someone who could be “Managed”
I’ve been wrong before, we’ll see?
Everyone wants Florida to have Ron as Guv “for four more years” except the #DeSantis2024 and Trump/DeSantis2024 Establishment CONservative schemers who started the hype to kick Ron out of Florida and send him to DC.
So as we all know TPUSA (Charlie Kirk) is hosting the DeSantis rallies in the battleground states. (lol, might as well just call them that).
I did a search of TPUSA tweets containing “Trump”. The last one was July 23. It appears they didn’t even issue a tweet of outrage about the raid or a tweet of support of Trump and his family. I’m quite sure Kirk built up TPUSA from Trump’s popularity.
THey are going to try to turn Kari Lake to the dark side. She needs Patriot friends and support. They will be dangling VP to her to neutralize her, along with big bags of money. There are $Trillions at stake, no exaggeration folks.
If Adams wins the GA governorship, she will be on the ’24 Dem ticket. IF AZ is truly purple, Lake would be the obvious choice for Trump– provided she wins her race in November.
Well, if they succeeded in turning RD with bags of $$$, they’ll have no problem with Kari Lake.
Kari Lake walked away from a good job and a great salary to run as MAGA. Don’t be so sure she can be bribed.
I think the Governor should come out and speak strongly for his re-election for governor. Now is the time.
Right now, He should also state he will not consider running for any other office.
Governor DeSantis should mention the MAL raid, acknowledging the threat PTrump is to progressive globalists. If he doesn’t soon, he is hurting his chances to run for higher office down the road.
If I can now aSSume RDeSantis may be a Pence in the making, I aSSume he sees the beginnings of doubt people have. Not good for him politically. He needs to act now.
Wow lots of speculation, that is all this has been for going on 3 years or more! There is a plan, I as well as others are not privy to, however, can’t tell me this has not been planned out to its conclusion. At this point I have no idea who is good and who is bad. Relying on anyone’s information is nothing more than speculation.What all of this has shown me is that many cannot think for themselves and many cannot see what is in front of them. Think for yourselves, the master in charge here is God . Stop the fear and all of the what if’s , what’s in play is in play! God bless America!
“all this has been for going on 3 years or more!”
FAR longer than than that, but especially obvious for the last SIX years, not three.
“At this point I have no idea who is good and who is bad.”
Have you been paying attention here for even just the last three years.
“…the master in charge here is God”
WRONG.
Quick Q&A: Does the Bible say that Satan is in charge of the world?
Answer is yes. Biblical references:
https://www.thebiblesaysthat.com/articles/satan/quick-qa-does-bible-say-satan-charge-world
‘DeSantis is being managed now. He’s shifted into the Pence, Jeb, Haley, professional wing of the club.’ -Sundance
DeSantis is a trojan horse, being wheeled into the city gates right in front of our eyes.
It’s deja vu all over again: vote for George W Bush expecting a more humble foreign policy; instead get permawars that rage on to this day.
Fool me once, shame on … shame on you. We can’t get fooled again.
They pulled the same Trojan Horse scam on 2008 Obama voters.
I don’t think desantis at this point matters. All that matters is Trump vs the permanent government. Trump drives this ship, only if he is defeated does desantis matter.
I wonder if DeSantis is just as stunned as I am after realizing what that FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago means. My home in Cuba was raided one October night in 1960 by Castro’s communist thugs. My life completely changed that night! Governor DeSantis knows my story very well. It so happens that for years I have been very involved in Republican politics and anti-communist agenda.
I met Ron DeSantis in 2011 at a political event for his candidacy for Congress. At that time, a new district was formed in my area. There were seven candidates, DeSantis being one of them. The local Republican County Executive Committee were supporting Beverly Slough, a SJC member of the School Board. I promptly supported DeSantis and introduced him to my group: Ponte Vedra Beach Conservative Women. We worked very hard for his campaign. DeSantis was a great candidate who walked door to door introducing himself.
DeSantis and I had some great conversations. He gave me an autographed copy of his book “Dreams from the Founding Fathers.” I became to know him personally very well. This man is a true patriot! He lives by and for the Constitution; he will defend it to his dying day! His wife Casey is his best supporter, who just like him, is a great patriot. They are honest, simple people of high integrity, devoted to their faith and to their children. I just cannot imagine why Sundance chose to bring down a future Republican star. We don’t need to call everyone MAGA or Trump person in order to be real patriots who follow and fight for our Judeo/Christian values and our Constitution/Bill of Rights.
As Governor, Ron DeSantis has even exceeded by expectations. I was able to see him last November and I told him: “I’m so very proud of you.” It was emotional to see him again after three years. The last time had been at a fundraising event in my house July 2018. That too was emotional: it was my first event after my dear husband Jim had passed away.
Why do we insist in always thinking the worst of every person? Is it because it makes some people feel better about themselves? We complaint constantly about politicians but when we finally get someone decent, we try to bring him/her down. We ignore all the terrific decisions DeSantis has made for Florida and try to find something bad in the person. We build them up and then, we want to bring them down. Why? Sundance is only guessing. Besides DeSantis and all our Republican candidates need every Republican vote, not just the MAGA vote.
By the way, I’m against all RINOs, and very pro Trump. Voted for Donald J. Trump in the 2016 Florida primary. But we must unify the Party to celebrate a Big Win in November! May God bless us!
Obama, “Dreams From My Father”. DeSantis, “Dreams From the Founding Fathers”. How very original of the Uniparty.
Thank you for your heartfelt post. Good to get your POV.
DeSantis can easily clear the air and dispell all this chatter by doing two very easy things at tomorrow’s TPUSA speech:
What say you?
I knocked on doors for DeSantis ever since he first decided to run for Congress.
FACT: DeSantis would NEVER have won the GOP primary for governor without Trump’s endorsement.
If DeSantis was not going to get behind Trump he should have never accepted Trump’s endorsement.
He was a good 20 points behind the Bushie GOP candidate.
Trump MADE DeSantis. No one was paying any attention to him.
Loyalty matters to me. DeSantis owes Trump “bigtime.”
If DeSantis can screw Trump he has no problem screwing you.
It’s not about DeSantis. It’s about building a MAGA army.
DeSantis’ EGO is in the way.
We can never build a MAGA army and destroy the swamp if the candidates Trump endorses do not get behind Trump.
I have a problem with POLITICIANS being ungrateful.
It’s not every man for himself. We are TEAM MAGA.
And God Bless you. Beautiful story from an equally beautiful heart.
Thank you Elvira. I cannot fathom why Sundance has decided to smite DeSantis. If I didn’t know better I would begin to wonder if his site had been taken over by Q.
One thing Sundace does well, is bring all the ra,ra people.
I took Sundances articles as an invitation to pray for Ron and his family.
Ron and his young family are obviously being tempted by powerful and very dangerous snakes. They are offering him fame, riches and power; the world.
Remember how Satan tempted Christ during His 40 days in the wilderness.
No one, not even God Himself, is immune to these attempts to tempt. 😘
I think Sundance is an excellent analyst but I cannot agree with this article generally speaking.
I don’t agree that DeSantis is in a bunker, he’s a governor running a state and thinking about his campaign, Trump is not his center of focus. Also I think his statement was spot on and clearly stated the right position.
DeSantis has taken many positive actions in his state against specific agendas with which we all identify here,most recently the firing of the woke prosecutor using his executive powers. I am very impressed with DeSantis focused successful targeting of our issues and the persons/corporations using his executive powers. I wish President Trump had used his executive powers as forcefully in dealing with the deep state and their tactics.
I see no problem with DeSantis dealing with the establishment GOP. This latest supporting of Kari Lake against the Pence candidate shows he hasn’t veered from the agenda. President Trump not only dealt with the establishment GOP but he lauded many of them and even appointed them, who later stabbed him in the back. How many establishment GOP did President Trump tell us were the greatest? We went out and supported them and then they turned out to be duds. I am not into guilt by association in this situation, even Sundance posts on Twitter and yet Twitter is an outright anti-Maga platform that banned President Trump, duh? I am not on Twitter due to their censorship Of Trump and others.
I think DeSantis should be given the benefit of the doubt. Other than Trump he is the only person other than Trump who has taken successful action on our issues. I can’t think of anyone else who could follow Trump or replace Trump if necessary. All of the Talking Heads in Congress have not actually accomplished anything on the ground on our behalf. DeSantis is more than a talking head like congressmen and senators, he’s running a state and running it in a way that we would like to have a nation run. Nothing is perfect or ideal.
I think we should be wary of sliding into this position of attacking the only other Maga possibility. This is exactly what the enemy wants. I fully support DeSantis and Trump at this time. As an independent I will be voting GOP even though I do not want to support rino candidates in the closet, however I know that if I do not vote for them I will get something much worse.
Everyone Trump endorses should become part of the MAGA army.
That is how it is done to eradicate the swamp.
You don’t join the swamp and split the MAGA vote.
There is no in between.
Trump CREATED the MAGA movement.
You are either on the MAGA train or controlled by the swamp.
I support Ron as Florida’s Governor for another four year term.
I support Don as Americas President for another four year term.
If anything prevents President Trump from finishing his second four year term in DC then I will support his son being chosen to finish his fathers mission with the support of his fathers handpicked and battle tested team.
Desantis, you just showed your true colors. You’re an obvious rino not to be trusted. How much is Soros paying you?
I read CTH with dismay today; this opening article is on the re-making of DeSantis into a GOPe Trump challenger. I don’t want to buy Sundance’ analysis without a healthy dose of skepticism, it’s still dismaying to read since I have respect for Sundance’ analytical skills.
At this point, I’m not ready to throw away all Desantis has done (to combat the biden and socialist agenda) and accept that he’s willing to be be “made over” into a DC Insider by the GOPe/Uniparty. Even if that is Sundance’ assertion.
With all DeSantis has done to combat CRT, illegal immigration, covid mandates and federal tyranny in any form, it’s hard to think he’d just set it aside for a higher political ambition and become another GW Bush. DeSantis has been quiet after the Mar A Lago raid, but his prior pattern after this admin does something tyrannical has been to be quiet and calculate a response. So Sundance saying the silence is a giveaway remains to be seen. I hate to think that the only choice for American voters will always be whoever the Swamp approves and presents.
Well get him to repeal the FL red flag law.
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I wonder if DeSantis is just as stunned as I am after realizing what that FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago means. My home in Cuba was raided one October night in 1960 by Castro’s communist thugs. My life completely changed that night! Governor DeSantis knows my story very well. It so happens that for years I have been very involved in Republican politics and anti-communist agenda.
I met Ron DeSantis in 2011 at a political event for his candidacy for Congress. At that time, a new district was formed in my area. There were seven candidates, DeSantis being one of them. The local Republican County Executive Committee was supporting Beverly Slough, a SJC member of the School Board. I promptly supported DeSantis and introduced him to my group: Ponte Vedra Beach Conservative Women. We worked very hard for his campaign. DeSantis was a great candidate who walked door to door introducing himself.
DeSantis and I had some great conversations. He gave me an autographed copy of his book “Dreams from the Founding Fathers.” I came to know him personally very well. This man is a true patriot! He lives by and for the Constitution; he will defend it to his dying day! His wife Casey is his best supporter, who just like him, is a great patriot. They are honest, simple people of high integrity, devoted to their faith and to their children. I just can’t imagine why Sundance chose to bring down a future Republican star. We don’t need to call everyone a MAGA or Trump person in order to be real patriots who follow and fight for our Judeo/Christian values and our Constitution/Bill of Rights.
As Governor, Ron DeSantis has even exceeded my expectations. I was able to see him last November and I told him: “I’m so very proud of you.” It was emotional to see him again after three years. The last time was at a fundraising event in my house in July 2018. That too was emotional: it was my first event after my dear husband Jim had passed away.
Why do we insist on always thinking the worst of every person? Is it because it makes some people feel better about themselves? We complain constantly about politicians but when we finally get someone decent, we try to bring him/her down. We ignore all the terrific decisions DeSantis has made for Florida and try to find something bad in the person. We build them up and then, we want to bring them down. Why? Sundance is only guessing. Besides DeSantis and all our Republican candidates need every Republican vote, not just the MAGA vote.
By the way, I’m against all RINOs, and very pro Trump. Voted for Donald J. Trump in the 2016 Florida primary. But we must unify the Party to celebrate a Big Win in November! May God bless us!
There is no Republican vote
There is only the MAGA vote.
I don’t give a damn about the corrupt GOP.
The GOP is my enemy as much as the Democrats.
DeSantis accepted Trump’s endorsement. Therefore he has a responsibility to back Trump. PERIOD !