Bunker boy Ron DeSantis has completed five days of silence and is scheduled to re-emerge tomorrow in Arizona as part of the TPUSA national tour. Those of you who have walked the deep weeds of national politics, know exactly what is happening. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has entered the managing phase of the GOPe candidate process.
[The TLDR version is HERE] – The well-liked Florida Governor has remained silent and invisible for five days, ever since the FBI raid against President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, in West Palm Beach, Florida. {Go Deep} The governor of the state has said nothing and avoided any opportunity where he may have been asked for comment. Instead, he has transmitted two pre-recorded statements from the bunker.
The silence is deafening transparency for those who accept how the professional republican club operates; the key word is “accept.” Unfortunately, there is a jaw-dropping amount of denial. We are seeing the outcome of Ron DeSantis being professionally managed by the GOPe club.
Now we move into the phase of re-branding where risks are mitigated, and positions are modified. Earlier today, while still in the bunker, DeSantis’ press secretary Christina Pushaw announced her exit.
As the rebranding takes shape, Ms. Pushaw is now moved away from the principle (that’s Ron) and becomes a part of the campaign team.
(FLORIDA) – Christina Pushaw, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ Press Secretary, departed her administrative role Friday to join the Republican Governor’s re-election campaign.
The Florida Standard, a conservative new media outlet, was the first to report Pushaw’s shuffle and published her resignation letter, which Pushaw sent to Chief of Staff James Uthmeier and Director of Administration Dawn Hanson on Friday. She will become the campaign’s Director of Rapid Response beginning Monday.
Deputy Press Secretary Bryan Griffin will step in as lead Press Secretary on Monday, where he will report directly to Communications Director Taryn Fenske. (more)
DeSantis has no primary challenger, so the club timing right on schedule. He emerges from the bunker with a few weeks to break in the new alliance, new team, new campaign motive and new brand image. Bold becomes pastel. Tomorrow the GOPe club kick-off the relaunch through the aligned TPUSA organization, which they have now taken control by purchasing Charlie Kirk. Remember, in club politics it’s the money that changes things.
The script will follow the customary mapping. DeSantis will start a national enhanced branding effort, increased exposure to unfamiliar audiences, and simultaneously absorb the MAGA aspect the GOPe need. MAGA bona fides will come from appearances with names like Kari Lake and Blake Masters, under the auspices of endorsements.
On its face, it is supposed to look like DeSantis is endorsing Kari Lake and Blake Masters, two strong MAGA candidates. However, the actual club motive is to transfer the MAGA currency of Lake and Masters into the pocket of DeSantis.
The club gets much more out of it than Lake or Masters. The club gets the stealth benefits that people never pay attention to. This is part of the brand image for DeSantis and club strategy.
Whether Ron DeSantis knew of the DC/FBI targeting effort before Monday is a moot point. What DeSantis did know was that this week a new branding effort would begin. It started with the “Dear Governor DeSantis” commercials. The subtle shift is to nudge him out of Florida politics into a more prominent national role
All of this is coordinated by the national club. Nothing is just random, but the presentation to the voters must retain the illusion of choice.
Everything now is about club branding and club management. That’s why I knew four days ago that Pushaw would depart, and I started to deliver statements on Twitter toward that end. Many people became upset. However, I do not take such a severe position, as I did on Monday, without overlaying all of the data-points we have assembled. I know it sometimes shocks people, they get mad at me, but as you watch it you will see it unfold. This is simply how the club operates.
It’s not DeSantis fault per se’. He doesn’t really have many options. He holds no independent wealth to keep the club away from influence.
DeSantis is being managed now. He’s shifted into the Pence, Jeb, Haley, professional wing of the club. Things change. He’s accepting GOPe grooming (bunker silence). Simultaneously risks are distanced (Pushaw departs official orbit), proximity mitigation. It really is just a mgmt/branding effort.
Now he will begin a national tour. A book (written for him) is looming. The pattern never changes.
The “professionals” will now enter the picture. The orbit of DeSantis will be more controlled. Representatives will come from the professional political class. Speeches and remarks will be filtered and approved. Risks will be mitigated. Control mechanisms in place. However, the illusion of authenticity must be retained. This is the club weak point (see Cruz and Haley). This is what the club will try to modify with DeSantis and Kristi Noem.
At first, whenever DeSantis reemerges – likely tomorrow, you will notice a subtle shift, perhaps an awkwardness. A slight change in the authenticity you used to love. A more careful and deliberate speech pattern. Longer thoughts before responses. More appearances on Fox News. Brett Baier et al, w/ the assist.
The technique is Norman Rockwell (optics) and Ward Cleaver (tones), soft hues and gentlemanly pastels.
Club branding is subtle on the image front, but very clear on the substantive messaging side. Social issues selected to maximize camp coalition, and influence base.
Consistently present political messaging where the republican voter base can say “yes.” Keep the “yes” messaging at the forefront (social emphasis). Focus on values. Schools, kids, safety, woke pushback, media bias etc, keep the audiences nodding yes. Ultimately, it’s a sales technique. Identify with the target to influence their decisions.
Issues around multinational & corporate economics, hard lines, foreign policy, all these things must be avoided – except in general terms. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is not to be challenged, not really. Keep the message social and build the emotional connection. It is harder to break an emotional bond than a logical or cognitive bond.
These are the political techniques of Lee Atwater that still make up the bulk of the GOPe club playbook. The greatest skill of the professionally republican is to present the illusion of choice in such a way as the voters do not see it.
Keep in mind, back in Washington DC both clubs are collaborating on the Trump removal program because both clubs’ benefit.
If we watch closely, we will see a MAGA-lite, professionally controlled republican go from five-days as a pupa (now) to chrysalis (next), to national club butterfly.
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Hi Karl.
In anyone’s living memory President Trump has been the closest thing to a Founding Father the electorate has ever seen, despite the almost ludicrous superficial differences within the comparison. President Trump is the Sam Adams of an equally jaded, aristocratic age in its swamp disguise. This fact alone explains the Dem/RINO hatred and persecution of the man. They know he is not one of them, and his very existence tugs at the blanket they use to hide themselves from knowledge of their own deceitfulness and thousand acts of treachery. He is truthfully an existential threat to them. TDS as an actual mental disorder is a fact, too. It’s discouraging to think that Sundance is right, that DeSantis’ post- Mar-a-Lago silence means he has announced his application for the Cruz/McCarthy/Gowdy choir singing Swamp-connected ritual. But for me there have always been reliable litmus tests for who a politican really is. If he’s anti-gun in any way, he’s Swamp; if he votes with the Dems on anything, he’s Swamp; and now, after all we know and have seen from two-plus years of this administration, if he hasn’t piped up officially from his post as an American politician in outrage over this particular event–Mar-a-Lago–a travesty of justice, a backhand slap to the face of America and everything actual Americans stand for regardless of any political affiliation–he’s Swamp. Which sadly does implicate Governor DeSantis, and why I have to hope that somehow DeSantis finds his way out of their tentacles.
This analysis is entirely possible.
Time will tell.
Though I’m an optimist, I am at the same time a realist, with a healthy dose of cynicism.
Meantime, please pray for PDJT’s personal safety and that of his family.
May the Almighty God use PDJT for His purpose and shed mercy, much needed mercy, on us as we do our part to take this nation back.
Thread(s) teaming with ‘concern trolls’ with inane Media Matters style disruption, rumors, and innuendo, we’ve seen repeatedly over the decade.
Why attack one candidate (Trump) when you can attack them all (DeSantis, his wife, whomever).
Frankly, I’m voting for Trump even if I have to write his name in myself.
Once again, Sundance takes it upon himself to blast DeSantis for some non action that he believes should be taking place. He made a strong statement, but hasn’t burned down the Governor’s mansion or self emulated to demonstrate his rage.
I say again, show me in the broad category of evidence how Ron DeSantis has opposed or obstructed MAGA? Show me how he has taken any tangible action to give me pause or question his MAGA conservatism!
Please, do NOT make this a TRUMP OR NOTHING website Sundance. You have your suspicions, I get it. We know how powerful the lobbyists and donors and RINO power mongers attempt to overtake everyone and everything.
But let me say this clearly; as much as we hope it doesn’t happen, there is a real possibility that the cabal does take Trump out relative to running again. What are any other good conservatives to do if they have any thought of being our standard bearer in that event? The real snakes are already lining up donors and their pockets; Pence, Haley, even Cheney (barf in my mouth).
WHY TAKE DUMPS ON THE BEST CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR IN THE NATION, WHO MAY BE OUR ONLY HOPE?
I say if not DeSantis, there is NO ONE…repeat…NOBODY OUT THERE who stands a chance against the evil empire (yes that includes the GOPee).
Show you? Re-read Sundance’s article carefully and with as much of an unbiased attitude as you can muster. And then read the comments. The case has been laid out already, we shouldn’t have to repeat it just for you.
I read it well, and I think it is full of rediculous smears.
Almost as ridiculous as this…
https://gab.com/auramin/posts/108817212368395695
I’m going take Sundance’s clear outlining of these political moves by the GOP but whatever this video is, you can see clearly that Desantis is speaking at a presser and NOT on conversation with Hannity and Lara Trump.
I’d like to know the original Desantis press conference and what context. It could even be about one of the raids on President Trump’s people. Sundance has said it’s been silence from Desantis the past five days. Somebody decided to be clever.
I know it’s a FAKE. That’s why I said it’s ridiculous. Just like all this DeSantis hate right before his re-ejection for Florida Governor.
Should have put the sarc tag on it. But really at this point- what difference does it make? So much b.s. in these threads….
Sorry, couldn’t tell, but wasn’t trying to be hostile about it.
I’ve caught some fake postings elsewhere, mainly on the_donald, but not the only one.
No problem. I didn’t think you were hostile.
You sound like Hillary, “what difference does it make?” LOL
Truth is hate to those who hate the truth.
“You can see clearly that DeSantis is speaking at a presser and NOT on conversation with Hannity and Lara Trump.”
That’s a stretch.
Sounds like the typical democrat spin of saying a comment was taken out of context.
It was clearly a “raid”.
My guess is TPTB got to DeSantis- the carrot and the stick. He is compromised.
See Matt712 post below of original video that was used in the Hannity edit.
That clip was about Rebekah Jones, the former FL state employee who said DeSantis was trying to fudge the COVID numbers 2 years ago. Remember her? Jones was terminated because she “exhibited a repeated course of insubordination” and modified a state data portal without input or approval from epidemiologists or her supervisors.
Her charges of fraud against the FL Dept of Health were dismissed in May.
Her Tallahassee home had been raided by the FL Dept of LE in Dec 2020 because someone from her home was repeatedly illegally trying to access the FL Dept of Health website after she was fired. She turned herself in to authorities in Jan 2021 & has been out on bail since.
A Leon County judge has refused to dismiss the criminal case against her. If you know anything about Leon County, FL, it is heavily Democrat & the judge, John Cooper, is a left-winger. If he didn’t dismiss it, she has little hope of escaping conviction.
And she is currently running for the Dem nomination in FL CD 1, hoping against hope she wins against Peggy Schiller to take on Matt Gaetz in FL CD 1. That’s how delusional she is.
A few weeks ago, I listened, fascinated, to her former campaign manager talk about how the woman is nuts.
This clip of Gov Desantis, if you actually listen to it, mentions “her” and the “Tallahassee Police.” It is from Dec 2020, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Mar-A-Lago raid.
This clip was heavily edited, put together & pushed out by a Democrat operative; he admitted it
It apparently has had its desired effect – on those foolish enough to believe it.
Just in case, that Desantis clip was edited from a 2020 interview of DeSantis on the Rebecca Jones’ Home Search:
Matt
Thank you- I did know it was super fake.
Just trying to point out the level of stupidity on here as it relates to the DeSantis hate.
Hate?
As ridiculous as that editing? Nice try, but that’s so fake…Lol. DeSantis’s portion is from a media interaction in Florida regarding covid.
Yes- I know 🤣
Kathy, excellent clip from Hannity.
There is DeSantis, arguing ferociously that it was not a “raid” despite the other conservatives saying it was a “raid.”
WOW, he has moved to the GOPe lunch table!
Lol- you really do hate him. It’s so very obvious fake.
I don’t hate DeSantis. I just don’t think he has accomplished enough yet to have earned the apologists that are commenting on this site. It is making me suspicious.
And you have a strange way of trying to engender loyalty for your guy- just go around and accuse everyone who has questions about your candidate of hate. That will help his candidacy. s/
The fact remains he disappeared in a bunker for the week after the most outrageous act by the FBI/DOJ on a former President in American history. And he made weak comments about it though it happened in his state and was based on a suspect search warrant signed by a magistrate who was connected to Jeffrey Epstein.
Is Florida still a hotbed for human trafficking under DeSantis? Asking for a friend.
Thanks for sharing. I don’t watch FOX anymore since Nov. 3 , 2020. Yes, DeSantis has moved to the
GOPe lunch table. I guess that table with President Trump at Mar A Lago just didn’t cut it.
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No …it’s NOT…..DeSantis sold out to the Establishment. He’s the Number One endorsed by
Club for Growth. DeSantis has said nothing except a Tweet Tweet about the Mar A Lago raid.
It happened like in his State. He can do an EO to kick out the FBI…just like any other Governor.
Until now. Apparently Sundance doesn’t receive news all the way from Florida. Last Rant came 3 days ago, and mostly 4 days ago, but Sundance missed the news those days. Keep dissing DeSantis, your only non criminally indicted hope, and I quit reading.
Did you see the info about DeSantis going to Nantucket for a big fundraiser hosted by a couple of rich hedge fund managers? And that at least one of them donated a paltry $102 to Trump in 2016 but nothing in 2020? He gave big money to Romney in 2012 and Carly Fiorina (of all people) in 2016. Do you think he’s MAGA? If DeSantis is taking money from him do you think that’s good for the MAGA movement?
Sheldon & Miriam Adelson gave $25 million to PDT in 2016. By October 2020, the Adelsons had funded Preserve America, a pro-Trump super PAC, to the tune of $75 million.
His widow gave $500k to DeSantis.
Following your logic, Trump must be a RINO.
Do you see how ridiculous your argument is?
Oh no – whatever will CTH do if you quit reading?
You obviously were not reading the Treehouse during 2016 election.
I would advise taking the time to visit the search box here at the Treehouse.
“Apparently Sundance doesn’t receive news all the way from Florida“
Geez, how far would that be, do you think?
Sundance LIVES in frikken Florida
Buh-bye.
The way things are going with the FBI/DOJ and the New York prosecutors, an indictment is going to be a badge of honor.
Perhaps you could share all that news Sundance “missed.”
Nothing concrete there just speculation.
I think DeSantis should line up with Mr. Trump. Also some of the other also rans. “though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. And a cord of three strands is not quickly broken.” ~Ecclesiastes 4:12 aka the wisest man who ever lived.
He did, but only capturing in Florida news. By design. The AP pits conservatives against conservatives! Do you get it now! I just did!
Trump isn’t a conservative and DeSantis isn’t MAGA. MAGA is economic nationalism and foreign policy through finance. DeSantis voted for TPP – you can’t be anymore anti-MAGA than that.
DeSantis voted for TPP? When and where? I thought you had to be in CONgress to do that
apparently you don’t know he was in the US House of Representatives…….. maybe, there’s other relevant stuff you don’t know about him
He was in the House of Representatives during Obama’s second term and the first two years of Trumps’.
His voting record shows he ABSTAINED in a large majority of votes where legislation passed regardless. Why abstain? There are clearly votes that he knew were politically important to conservatives that he made sure to vote yes for and only a handful that conservatives opposed did HE go ON THE RECORD opposing also.
But back up—his “bona fides” of military service aren’t the normal path for anyone:
“He graduated from Yale University and Harvard Law School. DeSantis joined the United States Navy in 2004, where he was promoted to lieutenant before serving as an advisor to SEAL Team One and being deployed to Iraq in 2007. When he returned to the U.S. a year later, the U.S. Department of Justice appointed DeSantis to serve as a Special Assistant U.S. attorney at the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Middle District of Florida, a position he held until his honorable discharge in 2010.”
Promoted to grade O-3 in 3 years before becoming a “Seal Team advisor,” whereupon his return he was snatched up by DOJ as a “Special Assistant” in the middle of land-locked Florida (promoted again, mind you, to O-4, or Lieutenant Commander (Army Major equivalent) in six years??? Unheard of and fishy.
I fear Sundance is spot-on with his analysis—the tare has stayed with the wheat too long and we can’t tell the difference. He’s bought and paid for…if nothing else his Congressional voting record to continue authorization and funding for the DHS in 2014 speaks volumes. He’s an agent of the State and supportive of the club.
Any hopes that he will truly change anything are vain and misplaced, sadly.
DeSantis was a US Congressman from Florida.
So, do I understand the terms right…
Conservatives aren’t Maga and vice versa?
Now I know why I can’t follow any of your comments.
Oh no, however will I sleep tonight, or go on with my life?
Good meds should help. Well, better than the ones you are on.
You are great, Lulu! I was feeling sad and you just put a smile on my face.
You’re slipping … you didn’t use your buzz word “hate”.
I am not sure of DeSantis after this week.
Pretty mediocre ROLCON you got going there.
A deal was struck after Biden’s insertion. Look at American Thinker.
Actually if not Trump, there is NO ONE….repeat….NOBODY OUT THERE who stands a chance against the evil empire.
100% agree.
Our choices without our Patriot President Trump:
1. RINO
2. RAT
3. RINORAT
You deep state paid agitators are so obvious. I hope you don’t get more than 0.27 per post…
Jeez Nate, if you haven’t read my posts here, do that. Try to pretend I’m a “deep state agitator”. Please…just…stop.
Sundance, if this is what you were aiming for…tearing apart the conservatives on your website…I think you hit your goal.
Icthematrix, I think you’re missing the point. Sundance is simply pointing out that RD has joined “The Big Club”. You know, the one we’re not in? As such he will be controlled. He’ll be part of the UniParty. DJT is strong, forged in this fire. He’s the only politician that can’t be bought. Can you see that Sundance is only pointing out the truth? What you want to think about it is up to you.
Is 27 cents really the going rate?
The DNC knows how to beat conservatives. They don’t know how to beat Trump. They never know what he will do.
African Americans, Latinos, Gays, and Independents are not going to vote for DeSantis.
Trump has a big tent.
I don’t believe in hopium.
“Big tent,” “the new right” are efforts to push conservatives to the middle. What are we conserving if not traditional values?
They beat him in 2020.
I do not think that’s true.
Who’s in the White House?
The braindead Soros Prop is in the fake whitehouse … unknown operatives of evil are in the White House.
Because you’re one the totally legitimate Xiden voters in the most secure election evah in the history of mankind and the universe, amiright?
No … “they” stole President Trump’s massive re-election landslide with their CIA Hammer&Scorecard computer program by disappearing & flipping tens of millions of votes.
It doesn’t matter. DeSantis can’t win in the rust belt. The GOP can’t win the Whithouse without the rust belt as they’ve lost CO, NV, and VA
Everyone needs a plan B. DeSantis is it.
Not for me.
No matter what the circumstances.
I will write his name in if Trump is not on the ballot.
There is no choice.
Both parties are just different wings on the same bird.
A vulture.
Plan B – means I take it, that if PDJT does not run for some reason – then De Santis is his choice, read the comment again.
You’re right, it appears there is no one. I was hoping DeSantis was MAGA with less decisiveness. But it is now appearing that the “club” has their claws in him. Ultimately the big money donars will tell him how to run the country. The donars do not care about social issues or the Constitution. I’ll keep a close eye on his position on the Bill of Rights.
Before last week, I imagined that Trump would be running in 2024, but now it looks like they are taking their kill shot so they are prepping DeSantis. If the donar class has their way the globalist will be introducing CBDC.
Decisiveness should be replaced with divisiveness.
So … DeSantis is a dark haired version of JUDASpence?
Methinks you should reread the article. You are in some denial
Maybe the response needs to be if they take Trump out, blood flows in the streets instead of pick Door # 2.
“self-emulated”? Nope.
You are so wrong.
DeSantis is only 42 years old. His resume is light. He has done some MAGA moves as Governor, but I have yet to see any sacrifice on his part or any real risk-taking. It has all seemed somewhat calculated.
And his silence about the Trump raid is unforgivable. There is no excuse. My goodness, even Marco Rubio spoke better than DeSantis.
My husband has been complaining for days about this rally in Arizona with Kari Lake. He asks what is DeSantis doing here? This is not the time to be running for president.
GO HOME RON!!! Stop trying to feed off Kari Lake’s success!
Hahahaha. The comments get more stupid. Please step away.
Clever … you’ve replaced you’re hate word with stupid.
Taking on Disney as governor of Florida was a huge risk. Florida has been Disney’s biotch for decades. Funny some of the left used to hate Disney too. Until Disney shucked their last ties to family friendly and went all in on the gay.
Calculated is right! I remember DeSaintis (and Trump, actually) chiding Kemp about opening Georgia, saying it was a suicide pact to end lockdown. After Ronny saw it was safe to come out of his gopher hole, THEN he opened up and acted like a protector of freedom. He took the covid grift, kept on board with the shots right up until the littlest ones. He lacks intestinal fortitude.
Sundance is merely using history as a guide to form an opinion, an opinion which you can’t beat or deny.
LOL IC. Sundance is right, DeSaintis is ripe for the picking and he’s out there all alone. No place else for him to go but into Karl and Ronna’s arms. He’ll think it’s smart, they’ll assure him he’s in full control, but don’t forget he spent years in DC before the governor’s mansion.
Show us on the doll, where DeSantis hurt you?
Well Sundance explains it’s not DeSantis’s fault, read the article closely. It’s all about the money money. My question is WHY hasn’t DeSantis commented a lot on the raid on MAL, which is in HIS state. I’m going to reserve judgment on if he’s owned by the “club”, but I’m certainly going to be watching him. To many times, I’ve said so & so isn’t part of the establishment, only to find out I was wrong. So, I hope DeSantis is MAGA, but I’m not going to accept it blindly.
That is a very wise course to take with all of these politicians. Even Maga ones can quickly be turned to the dark side after arriving at DC.
I had to look up what GOPe meant and now there is GOPee? Hmmm I hate feeling dumb!
Oh, please do tell us what DeSantis foreign policy views are. What’s that? You don’t know? You are correct. None of us knows yet. He’s done some good things as a Governor, but so did Pence.
Way too soon to crown the man. We should have learned our lesson from being NeoConned by the Bushies all those years that we need to scrutinize these politicians much more closely and not just lazily go by their party affiliation. They wouldn’t be called DeceptiCons if they weren’t good at deceiving. This hasty, lazy trust without regular, vigilant verifying has been the doom of the GOP and the welfare of our country. Given the state our country is now in thanks to BOTH parties, no one should be getting an automatic, free pass, whether it be Trump, DeSantis, or anyone else.
Rand Paul. And he has much better and longer running bona fides than fe santis who has sll the markings of an establishment trump lite figure. Also rand never supported red flag laws which puts him above dessntis or trumpvfor that matter.
It will be civil war if they take Trump out. It will not stand. It’s hard for me to see how the country continues on avoiding violence.
They won’t be able to take The Boss out. Not gonna happen. My take is that it depends on what happens in the midterms that will make the decision for him to run or not in 2024.
See above. Until very recently, i felt exactly as you do.
Immolated.
We’ve seen what happens to those outside the beltway who refuse to cow tow the party line, Carter and Trump. Reagan was spectacular in fulfilling the globalist dreams begun by Nixon, a culmination of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, et al.
Why not support Trump and Desantis? Are they mutually exclusive? What about Bernie Sanders, at least he’s genuine. I would have preferred Trump split the ticket and select Sanders as his running mate.
I would say Sundance has laid out very clearly, what you do not care to hear.
You are entitled to that, others prefer to hear the truth & appreciate being able to come here to hear it.
Sundance hasn’t said anything about DeSantis being reelected Governor of Florida. He has been talking about how
DeSantis is acting like he is greater than President Trump. Going to different States having Rallies for MAGA.
He didn’t even care that the FBI raided Mar A Lago. He goes on Tucker and talks about everything but that.
Boy, he sure surprised me. I’m glad that Sundance pointed all these things out about DeSantis. Because, I
feel the same way. Is DeSantis really MAGA? I think he’s using the name to push his own agenda.
DeSantis voted for Boehner even when the local grassroots supporters (that got him elected) begged him not to. Then while running for Senator, he was asked to get out of the race to make Rubio The candidate(after Rubio’s failed Presidential run). DeSantis jumped out. He was on FOX news at least 300 times without first person knowledge. What do you need a sledgehammer? If you live in Florida look around – plenty of marijuana dispensaries, still preforming abortions ever during Covid lockdown, enhanced gambling coming right after November, plenty of illegals walking the highways, plenty of fentanyl.
mother of God. I hope you are wrong.
I remember after the establishment realized Trump was going to win, they started courting Ted Cruz and hoping they could get us Pennsylvanians and others to vote for him. To tell the truth, I had been leaning toward Cruz until Ted couldn’t come right out and say he hadn’t cheated on Heidi. That was when I knew he was just another swamp rat and my gut impression has since been proven correct time and again (e.g. Jan 6 “terrorists”). It wasn’t even so much that he’d cheated on Heidi (we know Trump cheated on Ivana), it was that he couldn’t man up and face it. By touting DeSantis, the establishment is trying to appease the America First crowd and present someone who’s not obviously Mitt Romney or John McCain. They realize that most MAGA folks love what DeSantis has done in Florida and are hoping that he can win the Republican nomination over Trump. Personally, I’ll write Trump in before I vote uniparty. I’m done with them all.
I’d been hoping for a Trump/DeSantis ticket, but I’ll trust Sundance that it’s not in our country’s best interest. Look at the damage Pence did from the VP spot. Now I’m rooting for Kari Lake or Don Jr. to join the ticket.
Pence was a wooden Indian from the get go. He wrapped himself in the Christian right that is a vital voting block within Indiana, but was always beholding to the power RINO community. Problem was Trump accepted him as the VP nominee…heck we really didn’t know at that time just how Trump leaned relative to all things.
Ultimately Trump ran on his love for America, his anger against the selling out of our industrial base, etc.
Ted playing dumb on the TPP did it for me. Claiming he was the only one that read it but was going to support it anyway. Cruz remains in this club to this day. Calling j6ers terrorists doesn’t sit well with me either. I’m all set with Cruz.
Ted is the Major Author of TPP – has put in over 20 yrs on the North American Union, working for Geo bush Jr, together with Heidi – her connected to CFR & the UN, in that process. From 1999 forward- continually works for a “pathway” towards Citizenship (but not a blanket automatic free gift of it) for Illegal Aliens with HIGHEST PAID work visas in highest professions – usually in Computer Tech industry, where USA Citizens are locked out. He likes to vote the bill to the floor, and then vote NO, but when it wins anyway, he’ll support the Funding of it.
That’s a Canadian-born Canadian citizen for ya. W/O dual citizenship.
Dallas Morning News RECENTLY put their articles on this issue into their ARCHIVES, beyond the reach of US Citizens.
(Why would Dallas Morning News provide Cover for a GOP member who is always beating up in public on Dems?) See The Gateway Pundit: Feb 3, 2016 — Florida Eligibility Case: Case # CACE15022044.
I think Cruz might be OK as a judge – a position where he has time to think about his answers. While he might be able to come to good conclusions eventually, he has pathetically bad instincts, and should never be anywhere near a position where quick decisions are crucial.
I haven’t paid much attention to him lately, but in 2015/2016 reporters could reliably get him to say really dumb things just by sticking a microphone in his face and changing the topic.
We thought John Roberts would be ok as a judge, too … it’s amazing what blackmail will do to a “conservative”.
I vote Trump or no one, full stop. Will never again vote GOPe, ever. Would rather be enslaved transparently by Democrat party.
Only Trump.
Sorry, but with all due respect, that is simply not the right response.
Trump is 77 now and well overweight. His health is an issue like it or not. No one knows what Melania will say either.
And despite the righteous fury, the left is putting huge resources into finding a way to stop him from running any way they can.
If he does not run for whatever reason, we must have a backup ready. One that the entire Maga body can support despite the inevitable imperfections. Simply playing turtle will doom all of us.
His health is excellent. He is slightly overweight, so what? So are most Americans. Melania doesn’t get to make this call either. He may discuss it with the family, but they will support him whatever he decides. If the midterms are stolen like 2020, he won’t run. If they aren’t, he will run. And will defeat the 2024 steal attempt, like Lake did in Arizona. Arizona totally freaked out the deep state.
We need Kari Lake in Arizona.
I am thinking that DeSantis is “visiting ” AZ not to support her-but to try and convince her to join the RINO party instead of MAGA.
And maybe to inform her he is the Chosen for them.
The RINO party supported Robson over Kari. They lost.
Her kick butt response after Mar a Lago made DeSantis look bad. REALLY bad.
Right now all of this is still unfolding.
Thank goodness I have had a good teacher that has taught well.
Especially stressing that we have a brain that we need to use more! And to ask the right f’n questions.
We are watching, taking and comparing notes.
I agree. This reminds me so much of Cruz! It’s like the same RINO play book being used.
Thank you.
“… Her kick butt response after Mar a Lago made DeSantis look bad. REALLY bad …”
Or he could be visiting to warn her of the “or else” RINO consequences.
Lot of ‘Cruz-bots’ pushing DeSantis – says a lot.
Assuming Trump does run, health and Melania allowing, DeSantis would be ineligible to run as his VP under the constitution. The candidates must reside in different states. As a native Floridian, I consider that a damn shame.
I’m a fan of both. That said, I have a major problem with the removal of Pushaw as his personal press secretary. She has been legend! I’ll wait to see if her new role let’s her shine even more.
I truly hope that Sundance is wrong this time but his point on DeSantis having relatively poor financial resources is very relevant. Wait and see but be forewarned.
If Trump does not run, DeSantis has the best MAGA track record to step up. Neither Lake nor Noem has better credentials based on their past records. He will easily carry Florida but would absolutely need Trump’s financial backing to go nationwide. That is undoubtedly a part of the picture Sundance is painting.
Governor Ron DeSantis is self-made. He attended Yale and Harvard Universities in scholarships and working hard. His parents were middle class working people. Later he joined the Navy while in Harvard earning his law degree. He was named prosecutor (JAG) and sent twice to Iraq with the Navy Seals. In 2011 he decided to run for Congress. Again, he did it the old-fashioned way: walking the precincts; going door to door; talking to future constituents one on one. He promised to serve only three terms. In 2018, he decided to run for Governor of Florida. He worked hard by visiting every Florida county. President Trump endorsed him but didn’t give him much help. DeSantis won on his own, not from any special support from Trump of from the Republican Party.
And by the way, not every conservative candidate has to be a Trump clone. As much as I admire what Trump has done and still doing for our country, I realize that there are other good patriotic Americans who would run for office in the future. I wish Trump would soon declare his candidacy for President in 2024. Just as well, I wish DeSantis to stay as our Governor in Florida until the end of his second term. Years ahead——-who knows? It is up to Governor DeSantis and his family.
You forgot to mention that Ron declared that he was going to run for Rubio’s Senate seat after Rubio announced he was running for President in 2015 ( Ron had only been a Congressman for short time ) but Ron dropped that idea after Rubio withdrew from his Presidential bid and said he would run for re-election as sitting Senator – Ron ambitious much ? ( that’s a rhetorical question)
As if Trump wasn’t ambitious? No politician is going to get ahead without a little fire in the belly. DeSantis speaks softly but carries a big stick. Will he continue to use it for the good of the citizens as he has in Florida? Only time will tell but just because he is getting donor money from Rep donors or help from the GOP doesn’t mean he is a sell out. How else do you get enough money and name recognition to run for president even if that isn’t for years more? Most people don’t know who the governor of Florida is. Hell many people don’t know who the governor of their own state is.
I doubt DeSantis will run against Trump if he runs. He hasn’t shown himself to be a fool.
I’m loathe to understand the anti-DeSantis animus here. It’s as though CTH views him as some kind of threat to Trump and the MAGA movement in ’24 rather than a likely successor in ’28.
Self-made? He apparently has no money. In 2021 his net worth was a mere $300K despite 5 years as a JAG and 5.x years as a US Representative. And he still owed, or owes, $21K in student loans for some reason at age 43.
He is popular today, and he’s the Florida Governor today, because of Trump. DeSantis supporters came from Trump supporters. But now DeSantis and his handlers are distancing him from Trump.
Re-read Sundance’s article and read all of the comments.
If nothing else, his net worth shows he didn’t take the insider trading route. My republican congressman who has just begun his 3rd term was ranked equally with Pelosi on market earnings.
I’m afraid DeSantis is being lured by $$$$.
Afraid? No, from your MANY comments here you already believe it. It’s awkward, to be honest.
Florida Republicans and conservative independents would have voted for a sack full of manure over Gillum. That it was so close shows that Trump didn’t pull too much weight here since Florida has gone Republican since 1999. Yet we barely managed to avoid that drug addict gay Gillum that Obama sent down to take over.
Self made is not a politician.
Politicians live off the backs of “We The People” because they have never worked a day in their life.
Trump MADE DeSantis when he endorsed him in the GOP primary when he was at least 20 points behind the Bushie candidate.
FACT: DeSantis OWES Trump.
DeSantis knows nothing about fixing the economy, fighting the globalists and Communist China.
DeSantis is a risk averse lawyer who did absolutely NOTHING to assist the January 6 people who are still denied their rights.
Excuse me for being brutally frank but you are on DeSantis’ payroll.
I agree , and there is that old saying in Politics about loyalty and gratitude , if you want that get a golden retriever . Politicians , more so than most people , respond only to greed and fear …
I’ve said the same … I want Trump in the White House and DeSantis in Florida.
But … the RINORAT establishment is reeling:
1. Trump’s Candidate endorsement successes.
2. JUDASpence neutered.
3. Lizzie destroyed.
4. Huge crowds at Rallies.
5. record setting donations.
The Deepstate will do anything to keep Trump out of Power … his personal home raided and trashed … DOJ& FBI promising charges, indictments & arrests … a millie-vanillie general demanding his execution.
The establishment knows WeThePeople will never vote for one of their lackeys (and neither will RAT voters) … their only hope … a perceived Trump ally, DeSantis, in place of Trump … will deliver another 2020 landslide for the 2024 Republican Candidate.
It won’t.
One thing I know – anyone who says conservative in the primary and GOP in the general is working for the other side. That was a big saying around shit sites like redstate, human events, national review, townhall, etc back in the 2010 – 2016 timeframe. And or course, it was used to ensure lots of liberal uniparty scum were elected. Funny how the conservative never made it past the primary and how a combination of fake conservatives and libertians were always used to take them out as needed.
So we know now that DeSantis was in Nantucket MA for a fundraiser hosted by a couple of hedge fund guys. One of them, Jim Pallotta, is in the FEC database (as James).
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=pallotta%2Cjames&contributor_state=MA
It appears he donated a measly $102 to Trump in 2016, and then nothing to Trump in 2020. He was a Carly Fiorina supporter. hahahaha $52K for Carly and a Carly PAC.
$78K to Romney in 2012. I voted for Romney in 2012, while holding my nose, but I didn’t donate any money to his campaign.
You know, we really need to stop candidates from getting money from people outside of their areas of representation. If a U.S. Senator then limit donations to people who vote in that state. If a U.S. Representative then limit donations to people who vote in that district.
I would expect many in congress would be eager to vote for that law. 🙂
So what, PDJT himself, donated $100000 to the Clinton Foundation.
Faulty analogy.
Carly Fiorina: Islamic Civilization was “Greatest in the World” – Freedom Outpost 2015/06
It was Iran she was specifically praising.
In a speech at a convention when she worked for Hewlett-Packard
CARLY FIORINA
MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA
SEPTEMBER 26, 2001
“TECHNOLOGY, BUSINESS AND OUR WAY OF LIFE: WHAT’S NEXT”
© Copyright 2001 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P
She was also one of McCain’s top protege’s until Sarah Palin bumped her down a notch.
I’ll always remember how glad Sarah was to join herself to McCain.
So that tells ALL we need to know about the Nantucket Fundraiser and Jim Pallotta.
Yeah…this DeSantis guy, what a RINO, lol at the things he does as Governor…doesn’t pass the 242 item checklist for MAGA on every single thing…/s
Why not check out his Twitter page and see the bashing he’s taking for the latest version of a license tag you can personalize in Florida. GEEZE PEOPLE…stop with the blood drop level litmus testing…you’re killing yourselves.
If a license plate for veterans has people all worked up they have bigger problem’s. Desantis has been the best governor in the entire country.
The most deceptive governor in the entire country.
Nater the Hater.
You have shit for brains.
Or the most publicized?
DeSantis never found a microphone he didn’t like.
Until the Mar a Lago raid.
Even AZ Ducey who is not well liked has done just as much..probably more.. than DeSantis.
And he only has one…..
Cojone.
If you are endorsed by Trump you either get on the MAGA express and join Team Trump or get run over.
Tell Ron he needs better trolls.
🙂
Why is somebody who points out the obvious that if Trump doesn’t run DeSantis is all we’ve got considered a troll?
I have followed Sundance since 2016. I used to comment frequently, but 2020 kind of turned me off politics.
I volunteered 3 days a week in Trump’s state campaign office and trained others state-wide on how to take over their precinct elections who then elected Trump supporters to gop party positions on the county & state level. We took over the state party in 2016. The establishment is still there though waiting for a chance to regain power. I voted for Trump twice and will be delighted to do so again.
Right now, he needs our support this fight with the politicized doj, and people are concerned that DeSantis met with Hedge Fund donors.
If DeSantis should decide to challenge Trump in a primary, I will be against him. I am hopeful he will have better sense.
I’m noticing about 3/4 of the comments beyond the 3rd or so page is mostly just a handful of people bashing and bashing some more, especially on those who haven’t set up a dart board with Desantis’ face as the target. It’s the most obvious “brigading” I’ve ever seen in a comment section, and I’ve been on ZH for years. Those calling others trolls for being honest and completely polite in their views are the real trolls, and it is glowingly obvious.
Also, thank you for your service in Trump’s campaign.
Why are you getting so upset, ICE? Can’t stand some criticism of your guy?
Trump is the reason DeSantis is the Florida Governor right now and is also the reason DeSantis has a big base nationwide. But now DeSantis is distancing himself from Trump. Why do you think that is?
That is not true- RDS is a great Governor. Florida has a $20 Billion Budget Surplus – PDJT a may have influenced his Election, but he is not responsible for RDS’s good record – that is just silly.
RDS opened up the Monoclonal Antibody Clinics for Floridians for early treatment to stop Hospitals from being overwhelmed, he is recruiting veterans as Teachers, he is recruiting Veterans for the Florida State Guard
There are certainly Trolls on here – but I am not a DS Troll.
I donated thousands of dollars to PDJT during the last election & when he Declares his Candidacy, I will donate again.
I’m not talking about things that DeSantis has done as Florida Governor. I get why Florida residents like him.
I’m talking about what appears to be his disrespectful attitude toward the person who is largely responsible for his success.
You have to read through the other comments to understand the rest of the logic, I just cannot keep tying the same stuff over and over. There’s lots of good info in the comments. Look for “Nantucket”.
Trump is not responsible for the great job DeSantis has done in Florida. He is more than qualified for that job and the presidency.
I’ll say it again for the people in the back. Florida has a surplus. Trump added trillions to the national debt and most of it before the pandemic. Q4 2019 he gave the big banks $4.5 trillion. Then he signed an EO to start making more flu vaccines in September. Y’all will burn down the Republican Party for a man who treated the swamp like a jacuzzi. The documents Trump supposedly declassified should’ve been published unredacted in 2018, not on his way out the door. He could’ve kept firing people until they followed his orders. What’s the worst they could do? Impeach him?
Wow no other state has license plates for veterans… How brave, what an achievement.
lol
The deep state infiltration on this board is massive. Good job Sundance!
The RINO establishment is fighting tooth and nail to save DeSantis’ reputation because he’s their candidate.
Every right-wing board I’ve visited over the past 18 months has astroturfed DeSantis supporters. His backers are using the same techniques Dems used for Hillary back in 2016.
It’s anyone but Trump for Mitch and crew.
I remember when you guys accused anyone who criticized Pence, Manafort or Kushner of being trolls and insisted Trump was playing 5D chess. You need to step up your game. You looked ridiculous then and worse now.
In the clip below it does seem to me that DeSantis is going out of his way to defend the corrupt FBI.
https://t.co/F22YqEjbFr
It’s a fake, according to the guy who posted the video and made the video.:
Timothy Burke
@bubbaprog
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I have already explained this but to be very clear the editing is shitty because I spent 15 minutes on making this video and it should be obvious to anyone who sees it that it is not real
Wow, he did come on pretty strong. I am surprised after the tweet he posted referring to the raid as Banana Republic. At one point, the look on Laura Trump’s face was pure venom. He deserved it for being so combative. I think Hannity was surprised.
There is only one PDJT.
But I view the Governor as being cut from the same MAGA cloth.
The following reference is uncalled for: “Bunker boy Ron DeSantis”
For those attacking the Governor, please name me one thing he has actually done while in office that shows he is not part of the MAGA movement.
Every criticism I have been reading has been based on pure speculation.
The Governor is not our enemy.
There are many others who are and have demonstrated so.
You missed the thread by a mile … it is what he HASN’T done …
Yep- bunker boy reference. Three months prior to DeSantis re-election. I’ll be damned if the Dems haven’t taken over the website.
Bizarre. If website hits are what this guy is after, he’s successful.
DeSantis will not win a presidential primary against Trump. The destructive, paranoid, divisive, insane attempt to smear him right before his re-election as Florida governor is astounding.
It’s one thing to see the author write something so off putting. It’s okay- I don’t only read sites I agree with one hundred percent. But it is totally depressing to see all the idiots chiming in who could give two shits about a blue Florida in three months.
I’ve got only two words for all of you. And it isn’t duck flew.
Sorry , you missed it too – Ron wants to run for President , he has the political ambition itch, always look for the opportunity to move up – his readiness to run for Rubio’s seat back in 2015 is a big tell- he will be re -elected fine and then , maybe, you should see who will be his Lt Gov. ….
hey Joe, what would you know – you are from NYC?
The political ambition itch is so obvious, you can see it from a 1000 miles away btw that’s just a nom de plume
You know you are right. My bad. I just watched this clip. Everything you have stated, is true. I stand corrected.
https://gab.com/auramin/posts/108817212368395695
/s
Read further in the gab comments to see that it is a fake edited video,
I know- I was posting it to show how far the people have fallen on here.
He did it to himself, Kathy. Don’t blame Sundance or anyone else.
He sure did! We were all so fooled. /s
https://gab.com/auramin/posts/108817212368395695
The video is a fake, check it out, this is the guy who made the video:
Timothy Burke
@bubbaprog
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11m
I have already explained this but to be very clear the editing is shitty because I spent 15 minutes on making this video and it should be obvious to anyone who sees it that it is not real
Thx- I do know that. It’s so obvious, yet, there are so many on here who have fallen for or are perpetuating such b.s.- I was hoping they might recognize the satire and be humbled.
please name me one thing he has actually done while in office that shows he is not part of the MAGA movement.
Read Sundance’s article again, and read the comments. It’s all here.
Desantis could be conning them !!!! ( … I don’t think they take Trump out) but, either way Desantis is next in line to get the job ….he can do to them what they’ve done to us … think about it!
We really should fight more amongst ourselves so we can get defeated. SMH /S
Better to get it out of the way now than wait til 2024. 🙂
So true!! I mean who needs DeSantis running the state of Florida come November.
Let’s knock his ass out of the game, eh?
I’m sure NIKKI Fried will be great. Of course, I don’t want to weigh in on that until I hear what Sundance has to say.
/s
Nobody is suggesting that DeSantis not continue to be the Florida Governor!
And really nobody is saying he can’t run for President. But if he is disrespectful to Trump and behaving like a GOPE, he’s going to have a hard time keeping his supporters, the vast majority of whom are Trump supporters who have intense dislike of GOPEs.
If you can’t take some heat now you’re never going to survive the primaries when DeSantis does run.
Me take heat? I don’t follow your comment, at all.
For the record- I’d vote Trump in a hot minute over DeSantis in the primary.
That’s why I think you are all so friggen off your rocker.
Don’t talk shit about taking heat when you are so caught up in your Anti-DeSantis fog. Florida is damn lucky to have DeSantis. WHEN THE 2024 presidential primaries take place AND the candidates have announced AND if you are still around- I’ll gladly join you in steadfastly promoting Trump.
As I re-read comments one theme that is pervasive is that there is really nobody to replace Trump.
I’m going to think out loud for a moment. I don’t yet have the answers to questions I’m going to ask. Looking back at the 2016 election, we know Trump announced his candidacy in mid-June 2015. When did the others announce? And what about 2012?
It’s only August 2022 right now. If we had similar timing to 2016 we wouldn’t expect candidates to announce until mid next year. So IMO anyone claiming DeSantis is the only alternative to Trump (should Trump decide to not run, God forbid) is making that claim very prematurely. I can think of several people who I’d like to run, and I’m not going to mention them here to avoid the expected series of replies criticizing my choices. That’s not the point anyway. My point is that it’s still very early and I’m quite sure there are other people who would like to run (if Trump doesn’t) and we just don’t know about it yet. So IMO nobody should be having a spazz because Sundance or anyone else is pointing out some less-than-savory stuff about DeSantis.
I’m not going to repeat the info here but the wikipedia page for the 2016 GOP primary has all of the announced dates. They were all 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries The earliest one was Rand Paul (May 7) and the latest was Chris Christie (Jun 30).
If Trump announces that he’s not running then I will expect to see a lot of people throw their hats into the ring sometime in the late Spring 2023.
Anybody can edit Wikipedia – it is not a good reference. The definition of Recession was changed on Wikipedia recently to accommodate the Biden Admin’s BS.
Wiki stated that it would clean up their act a few years back, but nothing has changed.
And btw, if we all agree in advance to vote for whoever the GOP nominee is to prevent a Dem from winning in 2024, that will help to tone down any fighting. It’s OK to spar during the primary, but as I’m always saying we should vote all-Republican on November ballots. And yes, if DeSantis is the 2024 GOP nominee I will vote for him that November.
Maybe you would like J.E.B. or George P., or someone like THAT. LOL!
You show me a GOP party that ain’t a Dim Clone, first, before I agree to vote Party Line, ever again, for the past few Decades.
“It’s only August 2022 right now”…. no kidding!!!!
As in three months before DeSantis gets re-elected as governor. Why is everyone so hell bent on airing all this 2024 speculation????!!!!
And I mean there’s a whole group here that just knows DeSantis is the devil reincarnate.
Whatever, Crist or Fried 2022 for Governor, the moral compass has gone haywire.
Read through the comments, there’s lots of info there and I’m trying hard to not repeat things I’ve already written 3 times (if not more). DeSantis has already begun his 2024 campaign even though he hasn’t announced yet.
And then re-read my comment which was focused on the people who are complaining that there is no alternative to Trump. I’m saying there will be alternatives and it won’t just be DeSantis.
Let’s be direct. You are NOT from Florida. You opining about DeSantis and his presidential aspirations is piss poor timing, trollish, divisive, and insane.
I don’t give two shits if he thinks he might be a contender in 2024. I give MAGA conservative shits that he win in NOV 2022.
I’ve watched the news media and online sites throw stones at DeSantis all throughout Trumps presidency. They want Florida blue.
So welcome to the Treehouse where all the Dems dreams come true.
I can’t speak for anyone else but my comments have nothing to do with the Florida election. I’m assuming he’ll win and if I were a Florida resident I would actually vote for him.
But he’s not MAGA.
LOL! That is sure telling us off. Reminds me of the talk about McCain, when he had Sarah Palin for a running mate and Carly Fiorina for protege.
I wasn’t telling you anything- I haven’t seen one stupid comment of yours – until now.
Do you have something to say about DeSantis and his re-election bid for Governor this Fall? Are you from Florida?
How did he begin running for 2024 if he hasn’t won re-election first in Florida or announced a presidential campaign? The panic from Trump supporters this early in the game is hilarious. Tell Trump to announce he’s running if he’s the only person who can save the country lol. But then the RNC would quit paying Mr. Anti-Establishment’s legal fees and he couldn’t use the hundreds of millions he raised off of his victimhood.
Weak response to the Mar-a-Lago raid, coming from his personal twitter account, with no mention of Trump’s name and no outrage. Turning Point rallies, look at Sundance’s article and look back through the comments for more info. Also look for “Nantucket” and ask yourself why a guy running for re-election to Florida Governor went to Massachusetts for a fundraiser. Do you think the rallies or the visit to Nantucket have to do with his Florida race?
I didn’t ask why you were mad at DeSantis or to parrot Sundance’s talking points lol.
Wise up….
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/19/desantis-cash-trump-donors-00040659
Though many donors are focused on November, when the governor is up for reelection, DeSantis’ fundraising signals that he is both a viable 2024 candidate who may not need the former president’s backing and one who is sapping some financial support from Trump.
Trump lost the right to run unopposed when Biden moved into the White House. Most politicians with a national profile raise money from all over the country including your MAGA faves like MTG, Gaetz and Kari Lake.
And do they run around headlining Trump-style rallies with Trump supported candidates?
Thank you Sundance. Now the distance between President Trump and DeSantis makes sense. MAGA will never accept a substitute for the real thing.
What a disappointment. Charlie Kirk is the real disappointment.
Kirk is a very smooth, polished speaker. But you need extensive funding to do what he does for the Republicans and that always requires strings.
Has DeSantis even been in Florida the past week?
It appears he’s in Nantucket MA to raise money. The fundraiser is on Tuesday (Aug 16) but there’s at least one report that he’s in Nantucket already, he was spotted in a restaurant on the evening of Aug 10. Search back through the comments for “Nantucket”. Also here’s a Boston Globe article: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/08/09/nation/ron-desantis-attend-fundraiser-nantucket-tuesday/
And the first of the four Turning Point DeSantis rallies is actually tomorrow night, Aug 14. So he’s in Nantucket and then will fly to Arizona and then return to Massachusetts I guess. And then there are rallies in Pennsylvania and Ohio on Aug 19. There’s a 4th rally but I forgot where.
Why would he be doing all those OUT OF STATE RALLIES, at this “Convenient time”???
Regarding the raid on Mara-Lago. I believe there is an ‘inside source’ who was working with the establishment and provided information to the Justice Dept. and the FBI. It doesn’t take much to establish Probable Cause to get a warrant issued by this Justice Dept.
If accurate, it’s just another instance of Donald Trump using bad judgement in the people he trusts. You can bet someone on the inside betrayed him. His appointment of Christopher Wray is beyond disgusting. It doesn’t mean I won’t vote for this man, but I demand better appointments and a real ‘DRAINING THE SWAMP” and not adding to it!
Much of this leftist despotic crap could, and should, have been avoided.
The GOP party all but abandoned Trump when he won the 2016 GOP nomination and then the general election. He didn’t have the built-in help that GOPEs get. And you’re going to blame this on Trump?
He actually did pretty well, and in a second term he won’t need to worry at all about being re-elected so he can fire Wray and everyone else and appoint new, and then fire those people if they perform badly.
I don’t know why you’re expecting a total outsider who managed a stunning unprecedented victory to have an entirely smooth presidency. lol
Then an outsider isn’t what we need this time. We tried it and it didn’t work. Time for somebody new, because I don’t want four more years of Democrats.
We already had the outsider and he worked out extremely well. It’s crazy for you to say it didn’t work. WE had the best economy ever, I’ll skip listing the 20 other major accomplishments that I can name just off the top of my head. It would have worked better if the stupid voters had voted for their Republican candidates instead of giving things away to the Dems.
It worked out so well that we got a third Obama term!
Or was someone used for the set-up? As a Reward for “faithful” service?!!!
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, not on here.
No one on here including Sundance knows all the factors impacting DeSantis’ decisions and I think we should give him a little breathing room.
Why no criticism of Florida’s senators? It seems Sundance’s criticisms have a personal slant.
Who appears to be gearing up for a presidential run? Who keeps getting included in polls even though he hasn’t officially announced?
Florida’s senator Rubio has been a LOT more outspoken than most of the GOPe.
DeSantis dug this hole. His first statement out of the box was brighter than the noonday sun. It needed NO ONE to explain that to all MAGA.
EACH of us KNEW, esp. when he was showed up by the likes of Kevin McCarthy. The Contrast was so GLARING.
With a friend like DeSantis…
And everyone wants to believe he did NOT have advance notice of that warrant that was delayed service for 3 days???
Heads would be rolling all over Florida by now if his own administration hid THAT from him, under his own nose.
We are sharing what we all think, but nobody is leading the rest of us around by a ring in our noses. Sundance is Right, but he didn’t push us anywhere we were not already going. No surprises from Sundance.
DeSantis was his own bell ringer.
The Dems already have us plenty sensitive to such nuances.
Like the wife who knows what the pretty flowers and new piece of jewelry REALLY mean, while others coo at her how much the cheating louse “really loves her”.
You think Donald Trump and Melania didn’t perk up their ears when DeSantis spoke?
MINE SURE DID!
Remember – THAT is what Trump wants MOST to know. Who his REAL friends REALLY are.
our airhead RINO candidate for US senate from colorado , joe o’dea, told bret baier today that he does not support trump run in 2024 and he prefers candidates such as desantis, nikki haley and tim scott. and he has no opinion about the trump raid becuase he wants to wait until more information is known. I am so dissapointed that colorado MAGA is now stuck with horrible choice between joe o’dea and democtat michael bennett. and yes I am amazed that ron desantis is mentioned at the same grouping with tim scott and nikki haley. proves to me that sundance is exactly correct about what has happened to desantis , what a disappointment. sorry
BTW ,the “wait until more information….” phrase /answer Is the talking point response sent out by DC GOPe / McConnell etc – you can compile the list of RINO decepticons / anti Trumpers by those that use that phrase – such an obvious take away … once they utter it you know they have received orders and are on the wrong side , if you hadn’t already known that -but it just confirms it …
what information do they think we are waiting for? yes I suspect that “waiting for more information” could be tantamount to waiting for more lies.
my suspicion is that FBI could have tampered with evidence during those 9 hours at Mar a Lago when nobody was allowed to watch. FBI could have amended documents, destroyed documents, or added new documents. I dont think it should have taken30 agents and their attorneys 9 hours to just grab the boxes and finish, unless there was hanky panky going on. FBI can hide what they did, because the papers are “top secret” so they will expect us to take their word for it that Trump is at fault, when they announce their “new information”
We need that Senate seat, we need the House and Senate majorities, so I hope you’ll vote for O’Dea anyway even though he sounds like an absolutely GOPE tool. Right now we need to strip the majorities away from the Dems.
And we lost Georgia and Pennsylvania already because we have weak candidates there. Guess what else the Democrats have up their sleeves? Bet you a dollar they’ll arrest Trump for no reason but optics right before the election in order to smear every candidate he endorsed.
If the RINORATS arrest President Trump his monumental popularity will become MAGAmental.
REMEMBER MAR-A-LAGO!
thank you yes you are correct , it would be lesser of two evils if o’dea managed to win against michael bennett. holding my nose
When DeSantis went silent last week it really was deafening… it’s his state for Pete’s sake. He’s being wooed and the suitors suck.
he is my governor, I love the guy for keeping Florida free but thank you for opening my eyes. if I’m reading between the lines correctly he’s going to challenge Trump.
Whenever he runs, it’s really important for voters to not assume that DeSantis is MAGA.
I have HIGHLY admired DeSantis – DEEPLY shocked when I heard him speaking – I was thinking, “IS THAT ALL he has to say about That RAID???”
I was expecting Explosions from all Patriots Everywhere! I never saw that coming, and then when I heard Kevin Mccarthy so easily BEST DeSantis!!!!!!
I was STUNNED. – From Texas!
With the backing of the GOPe. Why go to MA to raise funds if he’s focused on being governor?
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https://gab.com/auramin/posts/108817212368395695
I make up my own mind, form my own opinions. That said, I am always interested in reading what Sundance has to say. I have followed him since the Trayvon days when someone at Lucianne mentioned that this was an unusually good site. He does not shoot from the hip but is a careful observer of the American political scene. On the forum we have always had to separate the good heads from the uninformed, the underinformed, the hotheads and he just plain nuts who populate the internet.
Ron DeSantis was a standout to me when he was in the House. But that is a world away from being governor of a major state and ultimately from the Office of the President of the United States.
So I read Sundance with interest and will watch to see if I notice evidence of what concerns him about DeSantis. We need a very strong, very bold President to overcome what is against our interest in both Parties. They cannot be in bed with anyone.
Instead of shelling Sundance for his opinion, why not read it and watch to see if he turns out to be right or wrong?
Read. Pay attention… Our lives depend upon it.
A world away from being governor of a major state?
Are we really going to pretend DeSantis hasn’t been outstanding as governor?! All the people fleeing their shithole states to come to Florida during Covid?
We are very proud of him.
Reread Sundance’s article and focus on the rebranding aspect. And this sentence:
If we watch closely, we will see a MAGA-lite, professionally controlled republican go from five-days as a pupa (now) to chrysalis (next), to national club butterfly.
I’m FOCUSED on DeSantis for Florida Governor in November. That’s it. Most Floridians are.
God willing, and I pray it so, Trump will announce his 2024 candidacy for President.
The national club won’t convince me to vote DeSantis over Trump. They tried that in 2016 with 16 Trump opponents. It didn’t work then- and it won’t again.
The fear and paranoia and speculation and butterfly talk is useless and piss poor timing.
Similar numbers of people moving to Texas,
and it doesn’t have a particularly MAGA governor.
“How to sell a Vacuum Cleaner or set of Encyclopedias in Three Easy Yes’es – Door-to-Door.”
“…bold becomes pastel…,” Ron DeSantis, as we knew him, bought off by the elite of the GOP; Trump lives forever and will never be bought. Shove it, Karl.
Kari Lake who donated to and knocked on doors for Obama and Blake Masters, a Stanford alum bankrolled by Peter Thiel are MAGA after jack squat came of the Maricopa audit. Oh but Steve Bannon is talking them up.
Meanwhile DeSantis led the way in keeping the country open and opposing vaccine mandates that Trump has been suspiciously quiet on. But Trump is the anti-establishment guy huh?
It isn’t DeSantis’ fault that Trump surrounded himself with traitors, and it isn’t his job to defend Trump, who I thought was supposed to be a fighter.
You can have someone who does what they say and knows what they’re doing, or you can have someone who let the Democrats steal 2020 and will mobilize them again in 2024 with all of his former hires attacking him.
Trump is polling well now because the Democrats want him to. They’re salivating at the thought of running against him, and attacking DeSantis instead of Biden plays right into their hands.
The RINO side of the Deep State UniParty obviously cut a deal to get Donald Trump removed from running in 2024. I’ve always believed Mitch (or his actual bosses) purposely gave the Senate away in 2020 to the Democrats in exchange for eventual control in 2022. DeSantis is being groomed as the Republican nominee for president by the same people who gave us Bush, McCain, and Romney.
As I’ve pointed out in the past, DeSantis was given latitude no other Republican governor was allowed during the fake pandemic, both by corporations and the usual forces on the Left.
The Deep State badly desires a Gavin Newsom vs Ron DeSantis presidential race in 2024. It’s that simple.
Interesting take. You are right about the Deep State backing off from DeSantis during the pandemic and giving him space. It made him look strong but only went so far.
I hated Trump prior to him becoming POTUS. I saw him attacked like no other POTUS in memory. Imagine the fun the press would have had if he had just one snafu that is the common word salad from Biden. So I came to love him. But…… I am not happy at all how he allowed covid to become what it did. And he touts as he greatest accomplishment warp speed that gave us the jab. What are we to make of that? I can’t help but think that we are being played and manipulated by the greatest psyop in history.
OMG go away. Seriously. You totally ignore the bazillion great things Trump did for us.
It’s just anti-Trump shilling we’ve seen infest most conservative comment boards since 2020. Sundance’s piece on DeSantis has ruffled many feathers in the Neocon/RINO establishment since DeSantis is their chosen one for 2024.
Hence the fevered DeSantis supporters who have now popped out of the woodwork on Treehouse. It’s mostly inorganic comments designed to keep a halo around DeSantis among the very fervent MAGA base which now comprises most Republican voters.
“Neocon” LoL when Trump made John Bolton his national security adviser.
Yes, “operation warp speed” was an ill conceived concept and has proven deadly. I understand the pressures at the time, but vaccines take YEARS to develop and bring to market. Millions are now paying the price with SERIOUS health issues and even death. President Trump needs to make a definitive statement on this issue. I believe he thinks that ‘operation warp speed’ was one of his major accomplishments! It’s total blasphemy.
I hope he gets the chance to run again, but this issue needs to be addressed! America has 4% of the world’s population and 16% of all Covid deaths. This vaccine has been a horrible FAILURE! The CDC, FDA, American medicine, media and politicians have been criminally derelict. Third world countries fared far better than the US on this issue. It’s disgusting.
No one is perfect. President Trump is a human who is allowed to make a few mistakes compared with thousand other accomplishments he did for us despite being viciously attacked daily…
Can other candidates endure it for his people, for 6 years now, like him???
More, he genuinely loves his country and people, and he can’t be bought.
I can Vote for him for just these 2 qualities among so many other good characters he has.
Really? Bringing CNN propaganda to this site?
Wow, just remain stunned by the vitriol of some here who climbed on the “DeSantis Dark Side” train that Sundance decided to engineer.
Also fed up with the chatter from those calling myself and others “trolls” because we disagree. I’m among those who pleaded with Trump to go nuke, burn it all down and expose the cabal, no matter what it took. Did he do that? No. He tried to push them further into the sunlight but was smashed at every turn. Ultimately he wasn’t willing to sacrifice himself or his family to do so. I do not fault him for that.
Yet many would ask Ron DeSantis to burn it all down on the altar to demonstrate his devotion and support. Why? What does one statement from Lake that you like make it so monumental verses RD’s short but powerful comment?
Also it appears RD should never meet with any potential donors who may be shifting their direction in giving. He should just tell them to F#*@ off and send their money to PDJT.
Here is what I would genuinely ask; do not blow up these bridges so quickly, so soon. Sundance thinks DeSantis is either on his way to, or is already, compromised. There is a HUGE difference between being a gamer and being compromised. Ask those who were truly compromised, who were truly GOPee, from within Florida, how much DeSantis helped them. Ask Congressman Rooney, who was a weasel, a COC cuck, what the compromised DeSantis did for him. I’ll tell you…Ron cut his gonads off for not supporting conservative agendas or MAGA. The POS gave up, allowing us to have strong conservative representation (Byron Donalds) in his place.
DeSantis is no Rubio. I don’t know what he will ultimately do, but hanging him on the meat hook at this point is ridiculous.
Matrix – right on!!! Have been loving all your comments so far.
Ditto
Well said. I can’t remember the name of the website but before the 2016 election- it was this same scenario in the comments.
Only the division or intolerance was for Trump because in they only had eyes for Trump. It was a cesspool.
It is eerie how these comments are filled with similar vitriol. There’s a mad rush to slam
DeSantis.
Nikki Fried’s interns? It’s bizarre and has ruined this website.
Should say they only had eyes for Cruz. The website was “The Right” something or other.
Keep in mind that the Trump supporters were right. Trump was phenomenal as President.
I am one of those Trump Supporters!!
Do you know what website I’m talking about? Because I swear the personalities and hyper focus and narrow mindedness on this thread is identical.
You’ve said you have no issue with DeSantis and his run for re-election in NOV as governor. I’m saying if you look through these comments and consider their impact and vitriol towards DeSantis, on what planet are any of you voting for him?
This is NOT a Trump vs DeSantis issue. If and when Trump announces (I HOPE HE DOES) and IF DeSantis (after winning his governor election) WERE to throw his name in the hat- let’s debate it and duke it out.
Trump beats DeSantis hands down. There is no one like Trump. But, for the love of all things rational- let’s not tear down every other leader working for us.
It’s not tearing down DeSantis. It’s making sure that people know who he really is so that they don’t confuse him for pure MAGA like Trump is.
Thank you, ICTHEMATRIX
I am in total agreement with your position here. Funny how quickly we are vilified for not towing the line to 100% of our betters satisfaction
You cannot stand any criticism of your guy, even when it’s logical and fact-based.
You remind me of the adamant Jeff Sessions supporters who were CERTAIN Sessions was strong and loyal and criticized anyone who dared to question his motives. They ignored the evidence.
And then we found out the truth.
I’m still out on Sessions. Have never seen conclusive, hard evidence that he was working agaInst DJT . . . just innuendo from personal perspectives. Just read Roy Moore was finally exonerated in one of his lawsuits against Dems in his state and the media.
Recusal.
An underhanded force caused him to recuse. Though I will admit he should have stood stromger.
Brava, Sundance! 🎯👍👏💖
Simply, eloquently–per usual–detailed accurate playbook description.
DeSantis is Ted Cruz 2.0.
Hummm –
https://waynedupree.com/2022/08/desantis-hannity-lara-trump-clip-fake/
Misha I understand what you mean . . . . “hmmm.”
I think Red States should secede. This bullshit is too ingrained in American politics and we will never get rid of these criminal thieves who use America as their personal bank account.
Bang! Hit the nail on the head. Thank you.
DeSantis is funding the election fraud-producing ERIC while pontificating about Mickey Mouse, and ignoring all the citizen activists’ proof of voter fraud. Does he not know or not care? Either way looks bad for him.
I honestly believe that DeSantis losing in November is part of the project, so that he can become a Deep State placeholder in DC for the next 4 or 8 years. The left knows that they cannot win in November, so they may be deciding to bide their time (they are very good at that, remember) and allow a “red wave” to happen after all in ’24. With Trump out of the way, the globalists will run DeSantis and control him all the way.
Remember DeS went to a private fundraiser in Utah last month, with ‘big money donors” from that state. Think Romney behind the scenes…
This concept doesn’t sound any crazier than anything else of late, and every time I turn around, I find another piece of the puzzle that drops into place.
God save us all.
If DeSantis were really tagged to be Trump’s running mate, he sure has a weird way of showing it of late. Just sayin’…
Trump and Rand Paul
I LOVE YOU!!! Brilliant!!
Comments prove that Sundance is right about a lot of things, not the least of which is that people will fight to prove that things are as they wish them to be, not as they really are.