A very alarming set of updates from the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting has everyone starting to question what was previously said by authorities about the events.
The Wall Street Journal has some updated information that is extremely disturbing.
TEXAS – […] “Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said in a briefing that the now-deceased gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, lingered outside Robb Elementary for 12 minutes firing shots before walking into the school and barricading himself in a classroom where he killed 19 children and two teachers.
Mr. Escalon said he couldn’t say why no one stopped Ramos from entering the school during that time Tuesday. Most of the shots Ramos fired came during the first several minutes after he entered the school, Mr. Escalon said. People who arrived at the school while Ramos locked himself in a classroom, or saw videos of police waiting outside, were furious.
“The police were doing nothing,” said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary, where her children are in second and third grade. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”
DPS officials previously said an armed school officer confronted Ramos as he arrived at the school. Mr. Escalon said Thursday that information was incorrect and no one encountered Ramos as he arrived at the school. “There was not an officer readily available and armed,” Mr. Escalon said.
A Border Patrol tactical team went into the school an hour later, around 12:40 p.m., was able to get into the classroom and kill Ramos, Mr. Escalon said.
Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor, said that she was one of numerous parents waiting outside the school who began encouraging—first politely, and then with more urgency—police and other law enforcement to enter the school sooner. After a few minutes, she said, U.S. Marshals put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for actively intervening in an active investigation.
Ms. Gomez convinced local Uvalde police officers whom she knew to persuade the marshals to set her free. Around her, the scene was frantic. She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed. Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.
Videos circulated on social media Wednesday and Thursday of frantic family members trying to get access to Robb Elementary as the attack was unfolding, some of them yelling at police who blocked them from entering.
“Shoot him or something!” a woman’s voice can be heard yelling on a video, before a man is heard saying about the officers, “They’re all just [expletive] parked outside, dude. They need to go in there.”
Parents can be heard yelling to each other that their kids were inside the school and that they needed to get in. A woman can be heard yelling at a police officer, “He’s one person! Take him out!”
The Uvalde Police Department couldn’t be reached for comment. A representative for the U.S. Marshals Service didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Asked at the press conference why law enforcement weren’t able to respond in the initial 12 minutes Ramos was outside the school, Mr. Escalon said that was part of the investigation. “Our job is to report the facts and have answers. We’re not there yet,” he said. (read more)
The full video is over 6 minutes long: https://t.co/ixyBRUdhba
— Matt Novak (@paleofuture) May 26, 2022
NEVER again. You Go In.
Another Columbine and Parkland with a dozen cops outside the school waiting for the LITTLE victims to bleed out!
They delay may have caused deaths while the victims bled out.
Absolutely! I don’t know how these cops can sleep at night!
They sleep just fine. Just following orders. Yes, in another context that got one hanged, but in this context it is just business as usual.
Me either California Joe.
I am in my late 60s and did not have any little ones in that school.
But if I had been standing outside that place I would have been trying to get in there and help evacuate.
And do not let the “experts” tell me I would just have made things worse, really how worse could this situation been.
I would gladly have run into that school to try to get some of those people out.
Too bad those parents could not have beaten the crap out of the cops who were holding them back and taken over.
Now that we know what the police are going to do we might act accordingly next time.
Parents, organize and do not let the LEOs keep you from saving your little ones.
Do not stand helplessly by while the children die.
Even if parents end up in jail it is worth their children’s lives.
A lesser known example occurred in Cheshire, Connecticut in 2007.
Two men broke into a family home. They raped two teenage girls and their mother. The cops stood outside for hours. Ultimately the two killers murdered the mother, set the house on fire with the two girls still alive, and fled.
The police just stood and watched.
That was horrible and then they knew the mother was at the bank
and yet they didn;t do anything then either and she told the bank
people she was being held hostage..they waited till the 2 guys
ran out and got in a car to leave before they stopped them.
And foolish people wonder why we need guns.
Yes, I remember that. They were escaped convicts.
I remember that well keeler.
The Mother had been out with one of the criminals to the bank where she was able to get a message for help to one of the tellers who quickly called the useless cops.
The useless cops surrounded the area and then “watched from a distance” for quite a while until the house was set on fire.
The criminals raped and tortured these two young girls for hours.
One thing I do remember from that story is that the judge would not allow one of the criminals to plead “Guilty” so he could get out of the whole thing with a cushy custodial sentence.
By pleading “Guilty” this guy was hoping to avoid a trial and get a prison sentence and then be out on good behavior.
The judge wanted him to go through a trial and possible face the death penalty.
Do not know what happened after that the story seemed to disappear.
Warren v. DISTRICT OF Columbia
Carolyn Warren and two housemates were gang raped for 16 hours in DC after two…uh, locals…broke in.
Carolyn was upstairs and called the DC police. They came once and left. She managed to call again before she was found by the home invaders.
The DC cops went twice to the house and did NOTHING. Two of the women sued the city and eventually Scalia penned a decision that said the police have no obligation to help, so the women lost.
The same police can suspend your C9nstitutional rights at their own discretion or instigation (Red Flag and other Big Brother laws) but you as a citizen cannot sue them or demand any accountability.
Again another reason you want to have a gun(s). We can thank Barry Soetero for doing us a a favor and reminding us why: BLM. Thinks he’s always trying to stir things up and ends up being the best salesman the 2nd Amendment ever had.
Scalia had nothing to do with this, it did not reach the Supreme CT.
Yes, I was tired and confusing Castle Rock v. Gonnzalez. Scalia wrote the majority opinion in that one that echoed Warren v. DC. Scalia took up the basic stance of the Warren decision throughout his tenure on SCOTUS. He was pro an unreciprocal big government more than most conservatives grasp.
They did go in. They were in when this was all videoed. And some of it, that looks very compelling if you trust the media, is from after the gunman got plugged. You can’t just let 200 upset parents run through the crime scene.
By their own statement they took some fire and pulled back
BS – if they aren’t going to do their job, then the parents have to save their kids. Period. Full Stop.
Joan….do you know any one that was actually there?
There’s lots of confusion and deliberate misinformation being put out there by people that hate LE. If they can’t hate on them for doing their job, which the police and Border Patrol did here, then they’ll try to deceive you in other ways. Don’t believe everything being slung out there.
What you say may be true. Has nothing to do with what I said “IF the cops don’t do their job the parents have to save their kids.” If they were stopped from doing that somebody needs to pay, big time.
There are always provisos, which you made clear. I’m with you.
Even then, there are times to say EFF THAT NOISE.
Real men know how to do that.
Consequences are eternal.
I agree, in a sense. In most jurisdictions, (not sure about this one) it’s not actually the cops’ job to be heroic. They exist to deescalate domstics, write theft reports, and secure scenes of major crimes (after the fact) until detectives show up to try to figure out what happened. They are not obligated to put themselves in danger for us. The parents have to do what they have to do. We have to protect ourselves. If one understands these things, one might wonder if they deserve the AMAZING pensions and benefits that they receive. Nothing against cops, and some of them are f*cking awesome and heroic, but most of them just want to get through the day without paperwork. Any incident involving force of any kind equals lots of paperwork and a potential investigation by IA. I don’t have an answer other than we have to protect ourselves. Even if the teachers aren’t armed, (silly for most days, most places) , perhaps there should be arms available in secure locations for teachers/security/staff to use in this type of emergency, along with laws that protect them from the fallout from having to use them in said emergency. Sadly, in our modern state, I can see the headline “Teacher Murders Teen for Allegedly Visiting School With Unknown Intent” for stopping something like this.
This is a serious MENTAL HEALTH problem in the US. We need to deal with it. We can speculate whether unknown entities may have spurred this kid on, but if the kid wasn’t mental in the first place there would be no story. I didn’t have the best upbringing, but I don’t have an evil bone in my body. I can easily see how kids who are not made of the same stuff as I am could go down this path, ESPECIALLY if they are enouraged, by you know, cough*cough.
I think the two years of covid bs messed a lot of people up.
Thank You . Clear heads Prevail.
We have been told to “trust the experts” in the fields of public health, medicine, and elections and seen them turn out to be incompetent at best, murderous at worst. Three years ago, if I was told by police or school officials to not interfere, I would probably have been the most compliant person in the crowd. Now, though, they are throwing away that fragile and hard-earned trust and even if 200 upset parents messes up the crime scene, I’m not going to wait around to see if these experts are trustworthy. My first priority is going to be protecting my children and woe to the “expert” who gets in the way of that.
I’m pretty sure a whole lot of other parents are resolving similarly, today.
In some of the videos being put out there as before the LEO’s went in, it was actually after the perpetrator was assuming room temperature. The kids, some, had already been moved and weren’t in the building. Sigh. The media lies, twists, removes context….especially to stir up sentiment against law enforcement.
All of that is true. Unfortunately, we have seen too much over the last at least two years to give a pass to any government official. We have all seen what cops will do – it is very easy now to believe the worst.
I realize this is a danger, but law enforcement at every level needs to stop “taking a knee” to the wokesters and work to reaffirm trust with the people who actually want law enforcement to enforce laws. What would happen in an emergency is at a visceral level, and law enforcement needs to realize what’s being done to parental instincts.
It’s not just the media. After what we’ve experienced from public health, the DOJ deciding parents are domestic terrorists, and loved ones being medically kidnapped to die away from their families, you can’t expect parents to trust any officials telling them to deny their visceral reactions in an emergency. Using force against the parents when there is no perception of force against the criminal, is going to make things much worse.
Our Founding Fathers deeply distrusted the police. They believed that the citizens rights always existed in conflict with authority’s.
We as a country have forgotten their lessons and legacy.
Most people don’t need the media to stir up poor sentiment against LEO’s. They bring it on themselves.
I agree LearningASIGo.
We now have 19 dead children and 3 dead adults.
That is gobsmaking awful and I do not believe that any number of parents running in to take out their children from this could have made it worse.
You DO NOT LEAVE Children in a death trap.
You just do not.
NINTEEN DEAD CHILDREN.
God help Uvalde and those cowardly cops.
Those same ‘experts’ are always the vanguard for fascists. Always.
The first wave of leos went in, took fire, and retreated. There was a 40 MINUTE lag between that moment and when the tactical people arrived. Local law enforcement is a f’ing disgrace! They are complicit in the murder of all these people.
Indict them. Accessories to murder in the first degree.
Why not? What evidence to get from the crime scene? The shooter is dead, all shell casings and bullets can be matched to his rifle. They were not “upset” parents, but frantic parents fearing their children were injured or dead.
That mother did exactly that. Good for her kids.
We need more information, but this is getting way too weird.
One can only hope every single cop on the scene that followed orders carried out the body of a slaughtered child. May it remain with them for the rest of their life.
This story raises more questions.
One that has not been answered is where does an 18-year-old get 2000 to drop on a rifle? All of the descriptions of him make him out to be the troubled loner, so work isn’t doing it. Mom is on drugs and staying with grandparents.
Who gave him the money?
I agree. i make a decent living and I don’t have an extra two grand to drop on anything, especially in these times.
me three
He didn’t have expenses like most of us do. No rent, no groceries, no utilities, etc.
Rent boy?
Informal pharmacist?
Cartel mule.
Feeb Tool.
Ramos had two AR-15 rifles and a handgun plus at least 500 rounds of 5.56 ammo so you’re looking at $5,000 or even more! Where does an 18 year loser living with grandma and no parents that we know of get $5,000 to spend on guns?
Add in the Glock, Holsters, Magazines, and, Body Armour — more like 7-8 grand.
And this was purchased before legal age (if purchased legally)? So, how did he pass the FBI background check at the FFL gun dealer?
Scratch the “body armor”. Law enforcement finally clarified that he was wearing a tactical vest but it had no armor plates in it.
Working 32 hrs a week at $12/hr he saved up $4500 easy since he had essentially NO living expenses.
Maybe, mind over matter. If you have a plan to kill people you can save up the money. Pretty sick to think about.
he also had a a 50 grand pickup truck
His grandmother’s truck.
Ramos worked at Wendy’s.
What do his co-workers have to say about him?
Short-tempered mean and hateful.
Uncle sugar?
He previously had a job before covid shut things down. Also, his grandmother found out about his plan to shoot up his high school graduation since he was told he could not graduate. She confronted him the day he shot her. He might have used her credit card or stolen cash. Many people in thar area work for cash only and keep it in their homes. Very common.
Spanish only spoken in interview I heard after being in-country at least 30 years……means grandparents likely STILL illegals and they almost always participate in the alternate economy with cash-only transactions
Spanish only is very typical anywhere in Texas.
And Miami.
He works as a contractor for Flowers By Irene.. that is where he got the money.
Coincidentally, they’re currently hiring.
That’s a lot of flower deliveries at $7 an hour!
Wanna bet the FBI? Wanna bet this kid was known to law enforcement? Planned false flag attack. These people are sooo sooo sick. It is like Florida and we’re seeing a pattern here.
10 years ago, I would have dismissed your idea in a heartbeat. Now I am nodding in agreement. The FBI is a cesspool of humanity.
Anarchy has been embraced by the Left as the path forward.
Someday what has been going on, on a huge scale, will be revealed.
The hoax Whitmer kidnapping gave us a taste, a sample.
What they’re doing can no longer can molded into a criminal issue.
It is revolutionary. It cannot be portrayed as a crime-fighting exercise.
I would like to know the manner of payment. Did he pay cash? check? credit card? Show us the transaction. I would like to see transparency. Now the NYT is blaming the FFL who so far appears to have done nothing wrong. But yes those Daniel Defense AR’s are top of the line easily 2K to $3,500 a piece. He also had optics on them and he had to buy ammo. Someone needs to look at the finances. Maybe he had cash, hard to say but that’s a lot of money to drop in a couple of days. I just want to see the facts.
Daniel Defense AR-15 rifles are $2,000 a piece. A Glock is $500. The 5.56 ammo is $125 a box of 100. This kid didn’t have that kind of money delivering flowers in a poor Hispanic town. People buy flowers at supermarket these days!
and why would he buy the super expensive brand if his intent was to use them in the manner he did..
So much speculation by commenters here who think they know all about this kid, when they don’t know jack. He worked at a Wendy’s, we were told initially. Maybe he had a 2nd job at the flower shop.
Here’s the receipt for the Daniel Defense rifle that he posted online:
I missed the report on what he was carrying. Can anyone provide a trusted link?
Direct deposit you’d be surprised how fast you can save money. Probably paid nothing to Grandma.
He was also trans, look it up. Wearing a skirt and all.
He was mentally ill, first and foremost. If he wore a mini pad as a hat, it would not surprise me.
Not a trans. That was a faked photo, not him.
We know he did eyeliner, lisped, and was supposedly taunted as gay.
We also know that the skirt pics aren’t him, that’s been well dissected already.
I am glad Rita Pappas disabused me of the notion that the skirt pics weren’t the perp. “They” only call for gun control after one of these controlled kills, never as multitudes of brown folks are killed in support of the hard drug trade that helps poison Middle America.
You can buy an AR for about $500, less if you shop around. Ammo is less than .70cents per round.
Not sure what the narrative engineers are trying to accomplish with the “thousands for an AR” part of this.
daniel defense + optics, mags, ammo, tactical plate carrier, glock
Well you could go have a look at the Daniels Defense website for their pricing.
Everything reported about this in the first week or so is to sell a narrative. It is that way for every one of these mass casualty events.
Helluva good question, Chris.
I also wanna know how this kid became such a good shot…. I read somewhere (tho it might have changed) that he just got the guns days before his shooting rampage…..
He was in a small classroom full of terror paralyzed targets.
Skill wasn’t a factor in the least.
Yes, after hearing further information, I am now curious if the shooting was done up close rather than from a distance…????
I was wondering the same.
If it was a used gun, he could have gotten it for $200 bucks. I always had ten bucks when I was his age, and my ten bucks were worth what 200 bucks are worth today. Maybe we need to take a breath before we go off the rails about something we don’t know about. I am curious as to why Federal Marshals were on the scene shortly after this mess started. Uvalde is an hour from Kerrville and over 100 miles from San Antonio, which is where we can assume is the closest place to find a US Marshal? Maybe there are other facts that we just don’t have right yet? Let’s slow down and let the information come out. I am sure it eventually will, if the Federal Government was not involved of course.
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Was he declared disabled as a minor? And then when he turned, did 18 he got a check with a back-owed amount to the date he was so declared from SSDI?
Just spit-balling, here . . .
I wondered the SSDI question as well..
Now that sounds a lot more like it.
“Who gave him the money?”
If it’s a glow job, a cutout provided either the money or the weapons. They can make sure the paperwork is nice and tidy because, well, they are the paperwork.
With decades of brainwashing, who knows how many millions there are out there waiting to be activated.
Far fetched? Perhaps. Little surprises me these days.
I don’t think it’s far fetched at all.
Even if this isn’t the case here, this is where they learn from. Just like they learned how the mafia worked along with money laundering and all the rest.
Not so far fetched.
And with law enforcement “trained” to sit back and let these creeps shoot the place up at will.
We are left to save ourselves.
Who gave him the money for not only the guns but the truck he was driving???? There are many, many unanswered questions here, and I’m not seeing where anybody is even attempting to answer them. i.e. there was supposedly an online program tracking signs of trouble among local kids……how did they miss this kid when he had already gotten in trouble shooting a bb gun????
Stole Grandmother’s truck.
Couldn’t drive.
As evidenced by his wreck.
pharmaceutical sales
Excellent questions.
A drug addicted mother, no father mentioned and the shooter lives with grandparents.
Where does he get the money?
Some have said he might “have saved up”, really an 18 year old HS drop out working fast food has the discipline to “save up”.
A HS drop out who shoots his grand ma over an argument does not sound like some one who has the discipline and self control to save money.
Who gave him the money or the guns?
Sleepy Joe gave him the money. Didn’t you hear about All the covid relief funds that were handed out to everyone? Well. Almost everyone.
He lived rent free and basic needs taken care of. He worked at a fast food chain. Let’s assume he made $8/hr for 30 hrs per week. In a month he would net $600 after taxes and if he saved it for 4 months, then he could buy the weaponry.
He was involved w/mom’s drug dealers? He was a mule for the Cartel and got paid well? I don’t have a clue, just guessing.
I have chills up and down my spine from having read this. If this all turns out to be accurate, cops have lost another supporter.
Do you really believe what’s being peddled here? There is video of the gunman just outside the door of the school, either initially going in, or having came out to fire, and a literal hail of gunfire from responding law enforcement.
https://mobile.twitter.com/leftistroma/status/1529231314343305216?s=21&t=OTUmORuuvQHxYSVDZJFDsQ&fbclid=IwAR2_PVQEKyXjBnDh4I0jwc4Q5lJwo0mMB8avRyxUuG9c0nw5BegmNEcEC1E
A 20 second video of someone casually walking around the front of a building with music and what sounds like some gunfire in the background. I’m old with glasses and I could’ve emptied my .38 into whoever is in that video from where it was recorded. If the law was shooting at him, they all need a lot of target practice.
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That is too mild. If what we’re hearing about these so-called police, there needs to be arrests, trials and big-time punishment all the way up to and including the death penalty. This is nothing short of murder.
Most of the BCSO at Parkland H.S. did the same thing. It was Coral Springs P.D. that finally went in and got Nick Cruz.
Cruz was wandering the streets unmolested by that time too.
Never trust the police. I’m sorry but after the lockdown and the extent to which they went to harm people I’m done. Now, a good sheriff is something else but they’re very rare. And Soros made it clear that he’s now funding local races.
Maybe the Feds pushed the local police aside. This happens a lot when the Federal boys want to move in on a criminal investigation.
Absolutely disgusting.
They sat there doing nothing while the killer had his run of the place.
And they want to take my guns as if I should depend on them to defend myself or my family? SMH.
This^^^^^^^
Shooting victims were bleeding out while the cops waited outside!
It sure looks like all the LE we’re just dressed up in all the right gear playing “cops”. In reality, they’re nothing more than mall cops.
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Looks like a mess that we will get to spend another 6 years figuring out what really happened. The local police were obviously told to stand down.
Horrible.. Prayers for the little ones and those two teachers… It’s even more disgusting that the Libs are using this for political gains
I heard Schumer today slamming Gov Abbott’s asking for prayers. It apparently is lost upon this vile garbage human that a large part of why there are so many shootings is the removal of God from all things civil.
Fox News has a different timeline. According to their reporting, the police arrived 4 min after the shooter entered the school. They’re also saying that there were police inside the school trying to get to the perp but they were blocked. This doesn’t jive with the eyewitness videos but it looks to be the official narrative.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting
CYA in full effect. First they said there was an SRO who ‘ engaged ” the suspect but no gunfire…..then he entered
Now they there was no contact , he just walked in.
Smell test – Fail
Fox hasn’t been trustworthy since they called Arizona for Biden first of anybody.
They did the same for the 2018 Mid-Terms.
That’s when I pulled the plug.
Not that I watched them anyway.
I heard the door was locked to the 4th grade classroom where the killer was killing the kids. The cops had to get the principal to unlock the door…..really?. Maybe they didn’t want to shoot the lock for fear of shooting some kids.
No windows in the classroom? No way to take out the perp – that had to wait for the door to be unlocked? I am not buying that.
Of course feds stood and did nothing.
Just like any of the shooting’s in this country that involve mass casualties our government fails miserably while lives are taking.
I don’t know why federal marshals would be anywhere near Uvalde Texas when the nearest federal courthouse is in San Antonio????
My question also.
hello fellow Mountaineer
And one that has gone unanswered, so far.
So Federal Marshalls knew the school was going to be the site of a mass shooting?
Maybe they got a “tip”………
The Feds are the ones who finally killed the perpetrator.
And let all the kids die. A mother had to break free of them to save her kids. There is no excuse for this.
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
i thought it was Border patrol killed the murderer.
A Border Patrol Agent is a federal agent, ie fed.
The FBI was probably aware of this creep too.
But they happily send men armed to the teeth to arrest certain helpless people that are no physical threat but dare to criticize politicians.
Trust has been broken.
This sounds a lot like the Florida shooting. Cops aren’t obligated to help protect you apparently. But to arrest you while you’re trying to save children? Are there any good cops left?
There are plenty , but for how long ?
Tragic, all the way. My prayers for the kids, all of them, and for the parents. I’ll not say what I think of armed “police” who did nothing.
This was clearly a Fxxxx Flxx operation. It always seems to be young men, teens/early 20s. Depressed. Bullied. And the police get to the scene and do nothing.
Get your kids out of public schools now! This is insane. If they aren’t indoctrinating them they’re killing them.
Ramos was a bully not bullied according to a classmate.
Frequently those are one in the same. Bullied by abusive parent(s) or larger & more aggressive peers, then becomes bully to vent his frustration/rage on weaker peers/children. Unfortunately it’s the primary behavior model he has learned.
Used to be those of us that were bullied eventually stomped our bullies out after school and life went on.
No he was a tranny. He’s not to be pittied.
He was weird.
Maybe queer.
The supposed tranny evidence was pics of other parties with dark hair, debunked by the very parties whose pics were being spread around as if they were this monster.
The police will not protect you, fully understand that and make sure you know in advance how you will protect your family.
What can they possibly do to protect you? Put an armed officer on your property on a permanent basis. Remember that small town cops make about what an average waitress makes and they are being asked to risk their lives for it. Firemen usually make more than twice what police officers make and play ping pong most of the time they are on duty. Maybe the police in small towns have a lot of down time, too. I don’t know. But they do get to clean up all the messes that criminals make, an criminals usually make big messes.
A good chunk of these spree shootings are caused by our intelligence agencies. Mk ultra is not dead.
Movie Charles Bronson – Telefon
‘ and miles to go before I sleep ‘ ….. the trigger words.
Looks very much like they were told to “stand down”
Wouldn’t be surprised if there is a cop suicide pretty soon.
I hope not.. That will just add to the tragedy
Perhaps, but perhaps it’d be a small step towards redeeming one’s honor.
Then again, only an honorable cop would have feelings that could prompt such an act.
I don’t see one of those in this situation, especially among the flacks praising these cops to the skies.
Meaning out of guilt feelings, or the kind of suicide where you’re shot in the back at long range?
Take your pick. I thought of both.
Wasn’t there an inordinate amount of Capitol police that died by suicide or other means after the J6 false flag? If indeed there was nefarious things afoot and any of these cops try to speak out … expect a death.
O…M…freaking G!
Why in the hell were US Marshalls there?
All LE agencies send everyone available, more is better (sometimes). Then the problem becomes organization of the scene. The US Marshall guys in their khakis prob felt most comfortable with crowd control.
When we’d respond to a murder scene, we’d have to give name, d.o.b. and badge/ID # of all FD personnel who made entry into the “crime scene”.
Europeans do not understand why we rely on our Second Amendment AS WRITTEN.
A British friend wondered in a message to me why anyone would “need” an “automatic” (his word) firearm. I didn’t answer him.
Here is a tweet from a German citizen and the answer he got.
“As a German I don’t understand what guns have to do with freedom.”
David Harsanyi nailed in 5 words…
“As a Jew, I do.”
or as someone else said elsewhere…”That’s why we need guns. Cops aren’t going to save us.”
Wow that was awesome.
On point. There’s no arguing after that.
Or as I also saw. Why do Americans need the Second Amendment?
For times when seconds count but the police are minutes away.
Read about the WW2 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-warsaw-ghetto-uprising
Thank you. Will do.
“DPS officials previously said an armed school officer confronted Ramos as he arrived at the school. Mr. Escalon said Thursday that information was incorrect and no one encountered Ramos as he arrived at the school. “There was not an officer readily available and armed,” Mr. Escalon said.”
Cover up…
Or another incident of media hype.
Or just confusion in a chaotic situation. That always happens, and I don’t begrudge that. It’s almost everything else I find problematic.
Don’t believe all this garbage. Wait until it is all figured out. They said they couldn’t get into the classroom had to wait for a key. Please everyone, stop jumping to conclusions.
Big, strong, armed men needed a key?
A key?
As a parent, a few other parents and I could break down any door separating us in this manner?
A key?
I haven’t seen pictures of the school but I keep wondering, were there no windows in the class room? If there were windows they could have scoped in the shooter and shot back at him through the windows. Even if he was wearing armor they could have kept him engaged while others got the door opened.
There were windows.
They could have popped him through one, or at least engaged him from one whilst blowing the door latch with their shotguns.
Damn near any two Treepers coulda handled that without hesitation.
Damn right.
I’d have drove the Ram dually through a wall.
Maybe, if they already knew how to work together in an extreme crisis. This might have been their first rodeo when it comes to facing enemy fire.
no cop had a door breaker? none of them?
This is a small town. Maybe they have never needed such a tool to be in a handy place, just in case we are dealing with a shooter locked in the school building, you know.
Uvalde is not a small town.
15,000 people seems pretty small, when I live in a small city of near 120,000 and there are less than 100 police officers on active duty at any point in time.
I would have broken the damn door down – were they afraid they might get a splinter?
Those classroom doors are usually very large and solidly built. They usually have dead bolt locks. People can’t usually break through doors like that, except for the heroes found in Hollywood, of course.
Couldn’t breach the door with a shotgun?
They’re spoon feeding you crap.
I may be wrong but assume room had WINDOWS_~Pin the guy down / engage /exchange fire – By now we unfortunately know these shooters are not going in there “to demand 10 million dollars and a helicopter in 1 hour or they start to shoot hostages’ . They are suicidal and on a one way mission and must be engaged immediately so innocents have a chance – surrounding the building is useless- but clearly it takes training and guts to go in and do it and many , even in LEO don’t rise to the occasion – even in WW2 I think they analyzed that a significant number didn’t return fire when attacked – a terrible terrible tragedy
WW2 analysis they hid in their foxholes and let the OTHER guys return fire
Atrocity, not a tragedy.
The two are often confused.
More often they are willfully conflated by those minimizing the responsibility of the guilty.
Damn good thing they didnt need a hall pass.
Good grief.
They probably did need them.
I’d go through the wall!
You go, GrandpaM. I couldn’t fight my way out of a paper bag these days. It is all I can do just to get my lawn mower started once a week.
Really? Wait for a key? God help us…
Shame there weren’t windows to breach or to simply directly pop him through.
Yes, but the other side is jumping in with their pre-formed conclusions and we do have to answer them and keep them from doing whatever they want with the narrative. Because really soon they will find something else to distract everyone with, to make sure nobody’s paying attention when all the facts come out.
Are you really that stupid?
“Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.”- Someone is lying!
Yup. Lie. And she knew exactly where to run to, dodge all the bullets, had her key to the school in her pocket, and the gunman ignored her. Hmmm yeaahhh
So you’re assuming that Ramos locked the door behind him?
Entire school was in lockdown. All the main entrances have locks.
So , she got in, and Ramos just kindly helped her find whichever classroom, out of 500 kids, and let her leave with them?
It’s a bs story.
Why couldn’t LE go through the door the perp went through? Maybe that is where Supermom got in..
He went through a window he sprayed with AR15 fire, I’m told. Then barricaded himself. Anyone that waltzed in that way would get sprayed, too, including “Super mom”.
Or a different classroom/building. We’re talking about 1 room out of an entire school that the tango controlled.
An hour and a half for a key…riiiiiight.
They are cowards. Period.
Well, it sure is a good thing that someone located a key. Otherwise, he would have kept killing until he ran out of ammo.
So if the classroom doors were locked, how did the mother enter the grade 2 & 3 classrooms to rescue her children. This whole thing stinks of incompetent police.
““The police were doing nothing,” said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary, where her children are in second and third grade. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.””
This is just shocking. She drives 40 miles to get to the school, and nobody had gone in. Wow!
When you need a cop to save your children … … just hope there is a [never off duty] Border Patrol Agent around.
Or a daddy with his trusty rifle and side arm.
It’s always been that way, and the USBP has never gotten the credit it deserves.
The media’s reporting has been horrible.
As usual. FOX News has the edge because their nightly Border crossing reporter was already within 3 hours of Uvalde. The usual gang of up to the minute TV reporters from New York ware probably scanning the social media sites for information as they were trying to find Uvalde on the map.
Oh my gosh, of course it is.
These parents need to band together.
Other parents take note.
Shades of Las Vegas ?
Yep. Smells like bad fish or there was an illegal alien in the area. 2022 is going to be another long damned year, even if they can’t get the Plandemic fired up again.
This is telling. When I was a firefighter, all radio traffic was recorded and an incident card was time stamped with actual times for events like dispatch time, arrival,etc. They don’t just go missing.
Sort of like votes in a federal election, no? This “missing” audio is unforgivable. And extremely disturbing.
If you read the subsequent tweets this is from a digital rebroadcast to the Internet of a local civilian scanner. Coincidental? The official audio should still exist… of course plenty of time to edit it before it surfaces.
Right now, my sense of it is that a massive cya operation is going on. I need more info. First call, who went in route, arrival time, etc.
That info should be readily available.
Something doesn’t add up.
You are correct, I believe. Too many rough edges on the puzzle pieces. Some of the reports just don’t sound right. As if a script is being written…or rewritten .
Coverup.
In small town America, they still do paper reports. And they usually have to work a few hours after their shifts are over, just to get it done.
Wow! “It gets worse by the hour.
Now we learn that police scanner archive audio from 11:52 am to 12:10 pm is missing. This is audio of the critical moments of course.”
This might be helpful, don’t know, it was not written by me, but the website it is from is credible: What Are Police For?! – The American Conservative
“Long post incoming. TL;DR: If the video actually shows what it claims to show, then the responding police failed to follow what is now considered the best practices for response to an active shooter situation. But I’m not sure that the video shows what the Twitter user claims it shows.
I started policing in 1997. The Columbine massacre was in 1999. I witnessed firsthand the evolution of law enforcement response to school shootings over two decades.
There had been school shootings before, but Columbine really was different. Most school shootings, even today, are directed, personal beefs between the shooter and specific individuals who he thinks have done him wrong. They’re gang disputes or a solitary loser mad at a specific bully or a jilted boyfriend mad at the girl who broje his heart. My point is that they’re targeted, specific attacks. The shooter shoots who he thinks needs to be shot and, other than anyone unlucky enough to be caught in the crossfire or who attempts to intervene, nobody else gets hurt.
The idea of a planned slaughter of innocent, nonpersonal victims was not completely unheard of in 1999, but it was also not fully defined or understood the way it is today. Yes, people did “go postal,” but those were deeply traumatized, damaged people, like ex- Vietnam vets who’d dropped too much acid and were now employed as postal workers due to veteran’s preference points during the civil service process who suddenly started seeing V.C. hiding in the mailbags. It was not something that kids did.
So the response by law enforcement to Columbine that day in 1999 was completely consistent with what was standard practice at the time. It was a “hostage situation,” because the term “active shooter” was fully conceptualized and defined back then. Military and paramilitary hierarchical organizations try to identify scenarios and plan the response to fit those scenarios because it saves time, equipment, and, ultimately, manpower. “If X, do Y.” Columbine was a “hostage situation,” so “set up perimeter and wait for SWAT” was the correct answer to the defined problem at that time.
It didn’t work because Columbine wasn’t a “hostage situation.” The public was outraged and demanded changes. The concept of “active shooter” as opposed to “hostage situation” was refined and law enforcement tactics evolved to fit the newly understood scenario.
It was recognized that securing the perimeter and waiting for SWAT wasn’t the correct solution. However, part of the reason that SWAT was considered the best solution was because SWAT would have the best equipment, particularly semi- automatic rifles and/ or fully automatic submachine guns and/or scoped and calibrated sniper rifles to handle the threat. They would also have the correct training to do forced entry and building searches.
So, problem one was that all police officers, but particularly patrol officers, needed the same equipment available to them as SWAT officers. Columbine, along with the 1997 North Hollywood bank robbery shootout where two heavily armored and heavily armed suspects held off the LAPD, convinced most LE executives and administrators that the shotgun was no longer sufficient to serve as the standard long gun compliment to the officer’s sidearm. Police departments embraced the issuance of the semi- automatic AR-15 instead.
The second component was that all officers had to be trained to respond to the newly defined threat scenario in a manner that was effective and safe for them. They all needed to practice it. A policy and procedure for how to do it needed to be developed. The response would depend primarily on the resources that would be available quickly.
I worked for an urban department. Our policy called for responding officers to form teams of four, led by either the highest ranking officer or the officer with the most seniority, that would then enter the scene and begin a “seek and destroy” mission to locate and “neutralize” the shooter. You do not stop to render aid to the injured. You do not stop to evacuate anyone. You move quickly to find and kill the shooter as long as he is actively killing people.
As more officers arrive, they form up teams of four and start their own “seek and destroy” missions. You do this until the shooter is neutralized (killed/ captured) or until he’s confined/ trapped/ barricaded. At that point you have to shift gears from “active shooter” to “hostage situation” and the response changes. Now you have a team or two or three contain the shooter to make sure he can’t escape. Others can then, if safe to do so, begin treating the wounded and evacuating other students. Now you’re waiting for SWAT to come in and either negotiate the shooter’s surrender or you’ll be sending in your best trained and equipped personnel to finish the job.
This is how large jurisdictions should do it. However, over time, a new theory of tactical response was posited that even waiting to form up two- officer teams was too long, particularly in rural areas. The new response stated that the very first officer to arrive should go in alone to confront the shooter as quick as possible.
There is some “science” behind this directive. Analysis of these events showed that in something like 90% of these cases, the shooter either immediately surrendered or killed himself upon being confronted with armed resistance. It’s the other 10% that make it dicey. You go in with four so that you can have a set of eyes covering every direction as you move through what is probably an unfamiliar building. You go with at least two so that at least you can have eyes ahead and behind.
You go in by yourself and the suspect gets the drop on you, well, now you have a dead cop and your suspect has access to the dead cop’s equipment. If he didn’t have an AR-15 before, he has one now. It’s a “high risk, high reward” strategy to go in alone, but it might be the only tactical option in a rural area.
Which finally leads us to this particular incident. There are lots of conflicting reports. As I understand the situation, the suspect killed his grandmother and went to the school. There was a School Resource Officer there who was shot early on. Apparently some officers did enter the school, including an off- duty Border Patrol Officer who was a member of their SWAT team equivalent and who is credited with the kill.
I think the video is showing moments after the suspect has been neutralized, but before the children have been released. There is still a lot of confusion and the arriving parents are obviously upset. But I’m not sure the shooting is still active.
One “tell” is that there is crime scene tape up. You don’t stop to put crime scene tape up if lead is still flying. That’s dumb.
Another thing to consider is that reports are that the shooter had barricaded himself in a classroom where most of the casualties occurred. So, now we’re talking about the difference between an active shooter and a hostage situation as I described above. Your response has to shift gears at the point that the shooter is contained. That may be what happened here.
It well and truly sucks, to put it lightly, for anyone who gets trapped by and with the shooter once he barricades himself. The law enforcement response has to make hard decisions about the lives of the hostages against the lives of everyone else in the building. Where is the classroom where the shooter is barricaded? Who’s in the classroom next door? (Bullets go through interior walls pretty easily.) Can we evacuate other parts of the building?
The impulse to “Do something! Anything!” is strong, especially among parents. But you have to do the right thing. More importantly, you have to do the effective thing. Bum rushing a well- armed suspect in a barricaded position where he has lots of hostages is rarely the most effective thing if you define “effective” as “save as many hostages as possible.”
Thank you for that info.
This sounds very well-thought-out, and thank you for the explanation. However, it is made for a law-abiding society where officials are trustworthy and acting on behalf of society.
We no longer know who in authority is acting on behalf of society and who is acting to destroy society, and in our current situation nobody should be surprised if parents follow their instincts rather than trust police officers when they can’t see for sure that the police are helping.
Law enforcement and the people – both sides need to know they have the other’s support. That trust needs to be rebuilt without politicians as counterproductive intermediaries.
Thanks for this post. I suspect that in a small town, there are not the resources to do the job according to best police practices and they had not received a lot of training once they were on the force. It could easily be that there were less than 10 on duty officers in a town of 15,000 and anyone’s guess as to whether any of them had any training for such an event. In small towns, a big fight behind the grandstands at a football game is about as wild as things ever get. Although, recreational drug use is on the rise in small towns everywhere as those communities have to deal with more and more broken and dysfunctional families.
Thank you.
Some of this actually sounds similar to the press conference i heard today. They didn’t give all those details, but some of what you shared was stated.
I think this is very close to what probably happened. Obviously parents are going to be freaking out and want their children NOW, but it isn’t as simple as that. Especially the worse it is, as in this case.
He shot grandmother in the face but she survived
She’s clinging still, prognosis uncertain.
Would someone please explain what FEDERAL US MARSHALS were doing at the scene? How did they get there? Where were the local police and deputy sheriffs? Who called them in? What kind of protocol was in place to have the FEDGOV Orcs present?
I was a Peace Officer for over 30 years in SoCal. In all of the Officer-inv0lved shootings I worked and was aware of, the Marshals and the Famous But Incompetent never showed up at the scene. They would just call me later on and want copies of my reports. I was ordered to NEVER talk to the Feds.
I have exactly the same question. Why were Feds there? Is there a good, simple explanation like there is a federal facility of some type within hearing distance? If not, something seems very weird here and solid straight forward answers are mandatory.
Jc
There’s a federal Border Patrol Station right there, around 100 federal agents. Plus federal CBP pilot/agents from their unit at Uvalde airport, I saw some of them in the videos.
Not to mention HSI agents that work tons of anti-drug and human smuggling cases in the area.
And other BP agents that live in Uvalde and commute to their stations in Carrizo Springs and Bracketville.
Literally 100’s of “Feds” in Uvalde.
You know, the ones Biden falsely accused of whipping Haitian immigrants with their horse reins? The ones that there are numerous videos of on Fox pushing back hard on Mayorkas?
Everyone needs to take off their tin foil hats for just a minute. These Feds are NOT the same Feds as Comey, McCabe and Stryzk.
Not even.
Thanks. Simple answers to simple questions is all I wanted. I appreciate the info.
Probably Border Patrol in plain clothes, maybe HSI special agents. I saw some CBP pilots in the videos. People throw the marshals or Feds description around without knowing all the distinctions. And, it could have been US Marshals that happened to be in the area looking for someone with a warrant. If you were in LE you should know how random things can be.
Well, my first question was how did an 18yo shoot that many people?
There’s the answer, he was in the building, in the room, completely unimpeded for what sounds like quite a long time. I guess that’s how you do it.
There is absolutely no way this is organic.
If authorities lock you in a room with kids and unarmed teachers, you probably can get a pretty good kill rate.
These poor families.
Pretty sure an 18 year old can shoot as well as anyone else. That, and the fact that 18 year olds are easy to manipulate is the reason why the military signs them up and the Democraps let them vote.
One would think these local Police Forces are getting their orders from Merrick Garland via the FBI. Do we already have a Federal Police Force deployed to every city and town in the US?
We have ‘greeters’ at the border and 100,000 18-25 year old men in Poland but no Police with the will to stop an 18 year old from killing 8 and 9 year old children in a classroom?
I have only heard bits and pieces today and cannot bear to watch any news clips or videos , but the following comes to mind:
Scene safety is priority, for first responders, (which includes Leo’s), our EMS people…(I learned that as a nurse in prison).
I believe that is the accepted MO in training.
They need to assess the environment before leading the charge of the light brigade and possibly making themselves sitting ducks or victims. That would create more havoc and higher risk to the accumulating bystanders/parents and possibly children and staff being evacuated.
Did we not learn anything from 911 and subsequent Afghanistan and Iraq wars? Often times, the enemy is goading for an impulsive response to accumulate more casualties.
As with most MCI, it takes a few days to sort things out and come to any sane conclusions. Unfortunately, we have a hysterical media capitalizing on the tragedy, the grief of parents and other children along with the vegetable in the DC swamp using it to push an agenda.
There will be post event evaluations to determine what went wrong as well as what went right, and what was ‘dumb luck’. or “Lessons Learned”.
If my kids were in there I would not give a frack about “scene safety”. And I was a cop.
I would give my life or take hits for my child, a government employee is trained not to do that.
Right on, Stu. We’ve become a society of safety-obsessed panty-waists where heroes such as the parents who tried to enter the school, are punished by goons with badges and guns.
If the police want our trust, this is not a way to earn it.
“They need to assess the environment before leading the charge of the light brigade and possibly making themselves sitting ducks or victims.”
They are not paid to protect/assess the environment [that’s what the EPA supposedly is for] , nor their own read ends.
LEO’s have no duty to protect. They are required to protect while criminals are in their custody. Problem is if law requires children to go to school, and school officials cannot be armed, they can deny responsibility by not having the means to do so.
Denial of responsibility circle.
The motto “to protect and serve” is almost all police departments in this country.
The Uvalde Police Department has this motto on uniform patches. See their website:
https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/uvalde_police_department.php
Maybe the motto means to protect themselves and serve up grief to the citizens
Safetyism is a new and blatantly false religion of the Left. Excessive fixation with safety kills people, this incident a case in point.
Safetyism is just a way of saying there are no longer any heroes. But the Customs BORTAC officer didn’t give two hoots for safety. He quickly devised a plan, went in and killed the little psycho trans.
You want safety? Go to red china.
What did Ben Franklin say about those who would trade essential liberty for the false promise of safety?
Mark Steyn addressed this very issue in his exceptional book “America Alone” wherein he takes apart those men who serve with the police and fire services in Britain for whom you rightly describe safetyism as the main purpose for their existence first and foremost.
He gives example after example where these “men” have stood by and filled out forms and followed “health and safety” regulations while people in desperate need, some women and children, have died right in front of them. A lucky few have been saved only because members of the public threw caution to the wind when their humanity showed itself.
But the example I remember prrimarily is that heartbreaking incident in Canada long ago when a gunman walked into a college classroom, ordered all the women to line up, and all the men to leave. One gunman, many men students.
They left…then stood in the hallway and listened as shot after shot rang out, leaving all the women dead. How to account for that? Mark described his feelings well.
That this lack of masculine fortitude in this current atrocity happened in Texas? I never would have believed such could occur in my state. I am sickeningly ashamed on the police’s behalf.
That incident is hauntingly similar to the Virginia Tech shooting where the shooter had the guys line up on a wall and went down the line executing them, never occurred to them to rush the killer as they sniveled over their fate.
Infuriating.
Tales of heroism and courage and sacrifice are essential lore for any society that hopes to have a survival instinct.
And your last point was Mark’s as well. Our instinct for that has withered. Of we can’t or won’t protect our most vulnerable then we cannot call ourselves a civilized society.
Indeed.
Sure wished it was like that when I rode the big red truck for a living.
Back then our officers said attack and we did.
You knew what the job could be when you took the oath.
Out of an abundance of caution, Officer Safety was on the scene. All LEO returned to their homes afterwards.
Democrats have embraced the philosophy of anarchism.
You can take that at the micro or macro level.
At the micro level it means that criminals are good. Criminals are the victims of society. Violent criminals get released without bail. This is now mainstream Democrat orthodoxy in New Y0rk.
At the macro level it means that anarchy is the path to leftist utopia. Once anarchy collapses society, they will build paradise upon the ruins.
Democracy is not the magical panacea embraced by so many. Democracy requires shared values. Donald Trump still, still believes in compromising with the Democrats. I don’t blame him, the alternative is most ugly. And that’s where we are.
It should be very easy to see from the comm log when the initial call came in, what units responded, what time they went 1023(arrived on scene). He shot his grandmother and she went to a neighbor for help, what time did that happen? Surely a call for help came in at that time.
Then he crashed his truck a few minutes later and reportedly shot at workers at a nearby funeral home. Surely another call to police at that time.
By this time police had to know that a shooter was loose in the area. Then he made his way on foot to the school.
Uvalde is a small town. Certainly one would think that numerous officers were in route to the area, and we are not getting a detailed timeline of what actually happened.
I read an earlier news article asking about him shooting outside the school for 12 minutes before going inside.
I’ve been to Uvalde many times. You could drive across town very quickly, at normal speeds, much less running hot to a shooting call.
Let’s see the records.
There were a ton of rounds exchanged before he even got into the school. Listen to the slowed down version
https://mobile.twitter.com/leftistroma/status/1529231314343305216?s=21&t=OTUmORuuvQHxYSVDZJFDsQ&fbclid=IwAR2_PVQEKyXjBnDh4I0jwc4Q5lJwo0mMB8avRyxUuG9c0nw5BegmNEcEC1E
Regional Director of DPS says no officer was on hand before he entered the school.
Refer to the article above.
And for those who may have missed this.
The husband of the first teacher killed , shielding her class, died today of a heart attack, leaving 4 children without their parents.
There is more honour in those two teachers and the parents who were ready to go in themselves than any of the police there who waited…and waited…and waited. Eternal shame on them.
I just pray there are family members to take care of those poor children.
First thing I thought of, G. Just when you think it can’t get any more heartbreaking…
💔
Mine as well. How life can change in a flash🙏.
Not just shame – they need to be arrested, tried and punished to the full extent of the law for negligence and failure to do their sworn duty, which was not to stand outside and listen to the shots being fired.
I agree. When I saw the pitiful announcement that the “police showed up 4 minutes after the first call”. I thought so what?
So you could stand around chatting amongst yourselves for another hour?? Cowards or imbeciles…likely both.
The cops on scene prevented parents from going inside to try to save their children while they did nothing to stop the perp. If this is true, what kind of sick f***s are the cops doing this? If leo actually did this they need to be removed from their duties asap. They no longer protect and serve the people they swore an oath to.
More than, that.
They need to go to jail for a long, long, long time–after the civil trail.
Do you really believe that’s actually what happened ? I hope not.
Parkland
Same thing happened in Florida last time. Nothing has been learned.
The wheels are falling off our chariots. Nothing we do works. Every day brings new depths of depravity, most often from people in high office.
To whom much is given, much will be required. Our wealth and power was not for our wanton pleasure. We have sown the wind and are reaping the whirlwind.
Lord, we have left Your ways. We have rejected Your counsel. We ask Your forgiveness. Help us to return to You, and heal our land. In Jesus’ name.
Amen.
The police will investigate themselves, and let you know what they find.
They will find that the police were “holding their ground”.
Of course, we know they are not paid to hold ground.
Folks, a final time, the police are NOT going to protect you or your family. You need to know how and be ready to do it.
As former NYPD officer John Cardillo said today, the police are not there to protect you. He said we all should ammo up.
Whose side will the police be on when the tyrants come after us? My faith in the honour of the police (to protect and serve…whom exactly?) and the oaths the military take to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and (now) domestic has dissolved in a puff of smoke.
Mr Cardillo speaks the honest and brutal truth.
Yep, where I live the deputies are nearly an hour away through the mountains at best pace so even if they wanted to help, it’s all long over before they get on scene. They’re good for the paperwork and taking care of the bodies, that’s about it. Fortunately, most everyone is armed and crime is low and violent crime is almost non-extant.
I have read ATF and others have been rounding up any doorbell footage of the scene.
Lets see it.
I started getting Mandalay Bay/Jesus Campos flashbacks right from the start:
-Initial reports claimed the shooter was involved in a local police chase (just like Waukesha) and the school was a random target (just like Waukesha).
-That would have meant local police were either on scene when the crash happened, or within moments after it.
-Yet he entered the school and managed to shoot over 20 people before a border patrol agent arrived on scene, engaged him, and eliminated him.
That story did not explain what happened to the local police, how the killer managed to evade them, enter the school, and kill. Nor did it explain why it took a border patrol agent’s arrival to end the situation.
It was just too convoluted and did not make sense. I was hoping more information would provide a reasonable explanation as to what the local cops were doing…
This is horrific.
There actually might have two things going on here. First I suspect, as in Waukesha, we might have another media attempt to hide the motivation of the attack because the killer was a transgender minority. Secondly, there was obvious motivation to delay or bury the behavior of the law enforcement during the attack. Thus we got a convoluted story about a car chase and heroic BP officer that made no sense.
I’d also like to point out that Jesus Campos was shot in the leg. So was the border patrol agent. I am not suggesting either wound was faked in some way, and I am not attacking the character or the actions of the agent who ended this massacre, but look for the media to focus on his wounds and, in celebrating his heroism, attempt to obscure the actions of other officers.
That news is already out there.
I’ve seen pictures of the BORTAC agents bullet grazed head wound, and the cap he was wearing showing the hole.
That guy is a hero.
Now, I would like to know what any other LEO’s did before this BORTAC guy got to the scene.
” -Yet he entered the school and managed to shoot over 20 people before a border patrol agent arrived.”
(This will be morbid)
Practically speaking, how long might it take to shoot 20 kids in a classroom. If they are hurdled to the back of the class,
shooting a semi-automatic from 10 feet away ? 30 seconds? 1 minute? Cross the hall & repeat. You might shoot 50 kids in under 5 minutes!
How long were those cops waiting outside?
For the purposes of my question, how long it would take to kill 20 people under the circumstances is less important than why, if there was an active pursuit, the killer received no engagement from police.
He crashes the car. Law enforcement officers either see him leaving the car, armed, and do nothing; see him leave the car unarmed, lose sight of him, and he later returns to the car for his weapons while managing to evade detection; or they were never there to begin with.
The most logical of those three options is the last. So where did the initial story of the pursuit come from, and why did someone choose to tell it?
At the moment that is the essential question for me… where were the police when the shooting started? That is is where the weirdness begins, and where there is weirdness there is someone trying to hide something.
You only hear about the leg wounds because their body armor stopped hits to the torso and upper bodies. Plus, the Border Patrol/BTC team was actually 3 of them, using bulletproof shields to advance into the room after breaching a wall. All three were hit in the lower legs, because the shields only cover so much and have to be held at least a little off the ground to run and move.
I know.
My point was the media will use the Campos template to direct public attention towards the shiny object and away from the behavior of some of the LEA’s involved.
There were already tons of rounds exchanged between the gunman and police before he ever got into the school. There were already local police and school resource officers wounded and down before this transpired. Listen to all the rounds in this slowed down version. In the normal speed one, shooter is only visible about one second.
Don’t believe all the typical anti cop bs that’s being spread.
Wait for facts and the entire story in correct context.
https://mobile.twitter.com/leftistroma/status/1529231314343305216?s=21&t=OTUmORuuvQHxYSVDZJFDsQ&fbclid=IwAR2_PVQEKyXjBnDh4I0jwc4Q5lJwo0mMB8avRyxUuG9c0nw5BegmNEcEC1E
Uh, sure. But it was announced no school resource officers were present.
Not being anti cop, but I damn sure don’t want months of excuses for why they didn’t act.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-police-defend-complex-shooting-response-as-more-details-emerge-195618293.html
There is enough information out there to know that the local police are not trained, and that they are cowards. National elite law enforcement officers, current and retired, have looked at the situation and determined that the police sat on their thumbs and let this play out until the big boys arrived. Open your eyes.
The regional director of the Department of Public Safety refuted all these reports of a gun battle before he entered the school.
Video , and other reports seems to refute that.
I wasn’t there, but am in contact with folks who were. People I’ve known 20 years. Even their accounts have discrepancies. But that’s typical. It takes days to sort out a mess like this.
Then why did he get in?
“Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.”
Imagine if a few more of those collecting a paycheck from the PD had the guts this mother does.
I just can’t put into words any thoughts after seeing so many in a police uniform just standing around controlling the crowd as if they are at a music fest.
What’s with all the tactical gear if you are just going to stand on the perimeter?
Do you really believe her version? She knew exactly where to run to, where to find her 2 kids out of 600 kids, and she had numerous keys to locked doors that she wasn’t supposed to have?
You really believe that?
Did the shooter have the keys? He got in. Why wouldn’t she be able to? When my kids were in elementary school, I knew exactly where they were in the building.
He shot out a glass pane using many rounds from a high powered rifle. Not a door.
Maybe Supermom had an AR and shot her way in, as well.
It has been reported widely that she scaled the fence, got her two kids and got them out.
Yes, I believe that. I believe that more than the BS the PD is shoveling.
Dr. Milton Wolf
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There is absolutely zero percent chance that if I was armed — I’m CCL — and outside a school with an active shooter that I’d not run in and hunt down the gunman. You would do the same.
I will never understand the police officers of Parkland and Uvalde cowering outside as children were being slaughtered.
Dr. Milton Wolf
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Look at Parkland and Uvalde and wake up: The police will not protect you.
Arm yourself. Train. Carry. Protect. Be smart. Be strong.
Never let evil politicians disarm innocent people.
Disarm the do nothing police. If I were one of these parents that was tackle and handcuffed ….they would never hear the end!! Humiliate the hell out of them! Obey stand down order while their children are shot? Listening to the horror. Shudder to this horror in America.
How did the US Marshalls get there so quickly?
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
When courage counts, don’t count on cops.
When seconds count, the cops are an hour away or at least in this case. Prepare to defend yourselves and your family. The government is not going to do it for you. They never were though and that’s the truth.
The shooter was in there for an HOUR!!!! What the hell? Who told law enforcement to hold back?
This makes me sick. No more public schools. Sorry. No. Not unless every teacher, janitor, administrator, and high schoolers are armed and trained. I’m sick to death of this. My grandkids aren’t in public schools now. Everyone of us to the man and woman are armed and trained. I’m sad to see things go this way.
Protect your kids’ minds, souls and bodies:
HOMESCHOOL!
If this turns out to be true, the cops in Texas are screwed.
Reminds me of Parkland where the school officer just hid behind his car for an hour. Except here the cops not only didn’t go in, but prevented OTHERS from going in. They were complicit. But I feel like this is going to become a lot more depraved/infuriating in the coming day that goes beyond the police/federal marshalls.
Just in case 25 people here haven’t said it already – These cops are all hat and no cattle.
Asshats?
Police have never been the brightest people. I think they need better training. I know I wouldn’t have waited if I had a fire arm on me.Do what you can immediately, seconds count.
The husband of one of the murdered teachers is an LEO and conducted an active shooter drill at that very school in March.
It’s not training.
It’s culture; courage or cowardice.
Is there a type of training that could help LEO push through to develop confidence that in turn may overtake cowardice?
The military does it regularly.
I have zero doubt it is possible.
Leadership establishes the culture, is their most important role.
Which is about the only thing they seem to do well.
That, and track down J6/21 Stop the Steal Rally attendees.
And PT rallies since 2016
Officer safety is of paramount importance to the PoPo. Us “civilians” just have to take our lumps quietly and obediently.
Respect My Authority has become Don’t Make Me Go In There!