There’s a New York Times article getting attention today, as the article frames a narrative of the U.S. intelligence community and diplomatic offices trying to get China to influence Russia away from invading Ukraine.
However, as with all NYT reporting of the U.S. intelligence apparatus, the information within the article must be viewed through a different prism to understand the real motives being discussed.
Never ascribe to incompetence, that which can be explained by intent.
The Deep State narrative, what the NYT reports, begins thusly:
WASHINGTON — Over three months, senior Biden administration officials held half a dozen urgent meetings with top Chinese officials in which the Americans presented intelligence showing Russia’s troop buildup around Ukraine and beseeched the Chinese to tell Russia not to invade, according to U.S. officials.
Each time, the Chinese officials, including the foreign minister and the ambassador to the United States, rebuffed the Americans, saying they did not think an invasion was in the works. After one diplomatic exchange in December, U.S. officials got intelligence showing Beijing had shared the information with Moscow, telling the Russians that the United States was trying to sow discord — and that China would not try to impede Russian plans and actions, the officials said.
The previously unreported talks between American and Chinese officials show how the Biden administration tried to use intelligence findings and diplomacy to persuade a superpower it views as a growing adversary to stop the invasion of Ukraine, and how that nation, led by President Xi Jinping, persistently sided with Russia even as the evidence of Moscow’s plans for a military offensive grew over the winter.
This account is based on interviews with senior administration officials with knowledge of the conversations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the diplomacy. The Chinese Embassy spokesman, Liu Pengyu, answered an earlier request for comment a half-day after this article was posted online, saying, “For some time, China has actively promoted the political settlement process of the Ukraine issue.” (read more)
The article goes on to say that China shared the information with Russia, and then outlines how Russia and China are the geopolitical partnership in the modern era. However, here’s the part where the motive and deep state angles are missed.
Do not view the details of this article outline through the prism printed by the intelligence apparatus; instead, view this article through the prism that U.S. intelligence and State Dept operatives were planting information into China, knowing it would be shared with Russia.
Obviously, anyone who follows geopolitical events already knows that China and Russia are partners against the west. Why would the U.S. intelligence apparatus think China would not share the details of the intelligence and/or seek to block Russian intents? The short answer is, they wouldn’t.
The White House, U.S. intel and Dept of State would know, to a guaranteed certainty, that any information they shared with China would get directly delivered to Russia. All information the United States would share (think ‘seed’) with China, would therefore be intended to get to Russia.
As a consequence, if the White House, CIA, State Department or U.S. intelligence community wanted to provoke Russian aggression, they would purposefully put that provocation material into the hands of the Chinese. THAT is the main takeaway from the New York Times article.
The U.S. intelligence apparatus was seeding information to Russia via China for three months prior to the triggering point.
What that provocation intelligence contained is unknown, but the U.S. delivering it through a third party is now confirmed.
It’s all a competing disinformation, manipulated information and propaganda warfare folks. Do not take any claim, any construct, any narrative from any side, at face value. This is where the underlying alignment of U.S. media becomes critical.

This has to be the stupidest administration in world history
14 months in and they have not done even one thing right. Not ONE.
Even the Law of Averages says FJB.
You are being too hard on obama……..
Ward, are you being a little hard on the beaver?
What a classic quote.😁
This has to be the
stupidestevilest administration in world history.Absolutely
Pure cold cunning evil
Completely corrupt is more like it. I believe everything they are doing is trying to cover their tracks. Ukraine and Kazakhstan were both Biden crime family stomping grounds. Kazakhstan has fallen and now its Ukraine’s turn, there is way more at play here than meets the eye.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive
Having had red hair pop up in every other generation in my family, i’ve tried to shy away from absolutes about red-haired people & superstitions. I have to say, this sorry excuse for a human being conjures up all that feeling & worse. It’s as bad as any glimpse of FJB, the Ho, Dr. Jill, Hildebeast & so many more can trigger.
Soros and his Committee of Evil are in complete control of all RATS everywhere.
Doing things right is not the Biden agenda. It’s only agenda is doing things woke that matters!
I seem to remember that last time Obama went to China, there was no boarding stairs provided for his plane.
If the Chinese think Obama is Biden’s puppet master…
Barack Obama ‘deliberately snubbed’ by Chinese in chaotic arrival at G20 | G20 | The Guardian
I truly ROFL’d that day. It was the last time I laughed at a Democrat except when (1) Hildebeast was thrown into her van like a slab of beef on 9/11/2016; (2) Pelosi had to be helped back up when she kneeled with the Kwanzaa scarf at the George Floyd soiree in the Capital bldg.
Oldies, but goodies!
Yes they are purposely destroying the country so the WEF and the UN can take over.
You’re missing the point Sundance is trying to make. They’re not stupid. They were trying to goad Russia into invading.
But that would assume the Chinese are so stupid to believe that what the US was saying was legit. I mean the deception on all parties is so deep, why would any one of them believe what any other would say. The Chinese are not stupid either. Do we really think what we told them would be transferred to the Russia unadulterated.
The CCP stands to benefit in some fashion, no doubt.
Would they throw Russia under the bus if it served their strategic goals?
Well, you know, I didn’t think that far along the line of deceptions. But why would the Russians believe the Chinese? Maybe after all the deceptions and lying the bottom line is the Russians invaded Ukraine to protect themselves from a Nato member being at their doorstep and to H with everyone else.
Likely true in regards to Russia’s part in this.
Understanding some of the interests at work would go a good ways to sorting out the motivations of all the other actors in this.
Generally it comes down to power and money. Right now, it seems like the Chinese have the power and money to control the US government. And, I have not figured out the demonization of Russia ie the Russia collusion thing…. It would seem to me it was in China’s favor to dump on Russian and definitely Trump….and I would assume Russia is well aware of this and not too happy..but then why would the US think that somehow the Russians would believe anything the Chinese told them? So totally corrupt.
The CCP also has made it clear they intend to be the one power left standing to rule the world.
Surely Russia knows this.
Right. The Chinese are not trustworthy at all. That I am sure of. Their word is worthless. They do not have the same ethical standards we have. Learned this from someone I worked with a long time ago…he was in sales. Went to China. China agrees to make a product to specifications. Along the line, they find a cheaper material to use so they just replace agreed to specifications with new material without any concerns…just do it….you find out later. This is lower level but indicative of how they think.
Only person who could understand this and have a chance of one upping them was Trump. So, then you think, why would Congress do anything to stop Trump? Well…..
You are correct. The Chinese are not to be trusted, their word means nothing and they are cheaters. Everyone in the works knows this but the average American because we have ‘diversity’ drilled into us.
Just think back to the many times the Chinese went back on their word with Trump during the trade negotiations. They are unreliable, self-serving and ruthless. Always been.
Agree. On the surface, understandable that Russia doesn’t want to be surrounded, but with Russia’s past and Putin’s past, I am not sold on that. There is so much we don’t know and probably never will.
You have essentially 4 powers fighting for world power. The New World Order group that includes the United Nations, European Union, Canada, USA and NATO. Then the Iranian, Iraq and Syrian Muslim group and China and Russia. All want world domination, and they are playing one against the other with an I’ll scratch your back if you scratch mine until only two are left standing. It is interesting to me that Ukraine called on Israel for an arbiter between them and Russia. The fifth world power organization now with the new Abrahamic agreement with the Saudi, Jordan muslims etc. All liars and cheats.
What an excellent analysis and post. Thank you for this concise summary.
Only if Putin stops there. He possesses the weaponry to take down Europe anytime he wants, not just the Baltic States. Chona’s going, “How can we help?”
“Would they throw Russia under the bus if it served their strategic goals?”
Russia cannot face down NATO without allies like China. China is capable of operating independently in the South China Sea where NATO is no threat.
If Russia were to meet with catastrophe, China would annex their arable lands. China has a large population but inadequate tillage. Russia has vast lands but a comparatively small population.
China would profit from Russian losses.
They’re nuclear neighbors, and JoBama keeps pushing them closer and closer together.
Russia is huge, it stretches over Eastern Europe and Northern Asia.
Based on NATO’s reaction to Ukraine (finger in its ear), Putin knows NATO is toothless. Especially with the Americans running the joint.
The story that Russia and China are cozy needs to be taken with a block of salt. I would not put it past the CCP to feed disinformation to Putin to further the CCPs goals.
That being said, Putin telegraphed he’d be willing to use nukes. And I don’t think the CCP has thought that through. I had to ask myself, if I were Putin, what would I do?
Maybe the CCP and the rest of the global community should also be asking that question.
Wheels within wheels, wheels within wheels.
I don’t think China likes high oil prices.
They love our high oil prices!
You’re funny brother! They have enough oil. And if you stop and think about it, if there needs to be a little suffering on the part of the people, well then too bad. Remember comrade, we can shut your bank account down, confiscate your property, take your children and sell your organs.
The Chinese people have lived under various tyrannies for millennia. It’s in their DNA.
Such is the daily life in the CCP. Courtesy of Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon and Microsoft.
And TPTB here intend that for us.
China sells consumer goods to the US. If US consumers pay more at the pump, then there would be less money to purchase Chinese goods.
All Chinese goods need to be shipped to market. This makes Chinese goods more expensive verses domestic product.
Raw materials must be shipped to China. This raises the base cost of materials.
You failed to make anything close to a conclusive argument.
Russia only has 145 million citizens.
The USA has 330 million.
India has 1380 million.
China has 1450 million.
Nuclear weapons are the great equalizer, and maybe the only equalizer, if there was ever another world war.
I’d bet 1.5 billion dollars that Hunter is keeping Xi Jinping informed.
It also assumes that there is any truth at all in what the NYT reports. Their job is to create a narrative. Whether any of the words intersect with the truth is totally by chance.
I completely believe that the *B administration was trying to goad Putin into invading. Did they involve China? Maybe so, maybe not. I think Zelenskyy mentioning nuclear weapons was enough of a trigger regardless of any involvement in the part of China.
I think (hope) that goes without saying on this forum but you never know with all the new posters the past 4-5 years….
No I get it.
Maybe a better adjective would have been better. Anti-American maybe
Everything these guys touch turns to…….
They (4th branch of government) have to cover and remove all evidence of their fingerprints in Ukraine.
If so then theyre doing it stupidly
You think if Putin has access to all their dealings ( which I’m sure he already has btw) he wont use it for leverage?
Hell Putin might just do that to screw Biden
Russia has REAL national security and military intelligence.
Those MIC contracts just have to be fulfilled, or the payoffs don’t get delivered.
Telling someone outright they can take something they want without repercussions is not intelligent. It’s destructive. Anyone can give everything away without an ounce of sense in their noggins. This gang are the educated, unintelligent, uninspiring, self-aggrandizing products of a dumbed down educational and political system that rewards destroying our country. It’s that simple and nothing more. I love this site and believe in Sundance, but what you’re saying is happening here is the so-called and now frequently mocked “smart diplomacy” canard. It is the equivalent of middle schoolers planting rumors about who likes whom in order to see if someone will ask someone else out.
They’ve done everything right in accordance to their advancing their goals.
Biden is toxic and certain to not run again, so the Uniparty is in a race to push all the ugliest, most painful parts of their agenda NOW, before they put Biden to bed. Biden is a tool and they are using him to the fullest.
At this rate there won’t be elections by 2024.
Yep.
Martial law to be implemented this year, no 2022 elections
14 months? Joe has been on the wrong side of every issue since his Senate career began in 1973. That’s almost 50 YEARS!
Especially Foreign Policy issues.
They don’t work for us. We work for them.
We’re forced to finance the corruption with our tax dollars.
Extortion, kickbacks, bribes, and threats.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
None of these things are by accident.
They are not a flaw, but a feature of the Commu-crats policy’s.
Only this time, thermonuclear war is a possible outcome. No one wins that dick swinging contest. I think someone forgot to tell Hillary, Xiden, Obozo and the rest of these psychos this…..
Russia is no pushover. Putin would use them if he thought Russia was in the deep end, and drowning.
We are in a bad place, and even big brains like Sundance dont know where this stops…
Scary times. As if there isnt enough going on in the Western world with the the tyrants taking charge, now we got these idiots in Ukraine poking the Bear on behalf of the Obozo group of criminals that have pillaged and corrupted the entire place….
Prepare you and yours accordingly. On all fronts. This could get bumpy.
( Interestingly enough, at the moment, I am very close to ground zero for God knows how many Russian nukes if the balloon ever went up. We would never know it…..the family is about hmmm, 2 miles from a major installation for the immediate future. Here’s praying to the Lord that cooler heads prevail!. )
Having once served in the USAF on a SAC base, I can appreciate ground zero. Prayers for all.
A few nukes in Washington DC would only help rid the vermin.
I think Zelensky must just surrender to Russia
Whats wrose–a protracted war with Russia and many Ukrainian people dying or surrender and let Russia take over IMO thats th only chance of peace and less bloodshed
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Russia already said that it’s willing to talk. Give up the bs at the border which has been ongoing for years, ditch talk of NATO, stop catering to U.S. politician corruption, make peace.
I have a feeling it’s coming to that or a long deadly war, have some friends from Ukraine and they are a strong people.
No, they’ll reach a deal.
Then, then can proceed as the IRA did.
This an excellent analysis. This “intelligence” that keeps being attributed to these fools must stop. They are reckless and determined to destroy and they work hard at it. That combined with nuclear weapons is a toxically dangerous concoction. If these fools imagine they can ride out that wave, then I have no words.
There will be no nuke war between US and Russia. As someone posted above, nuclear weapons are the big equalizer. Ain’t gonna happen.
done anything right?!! they have done everything right!! they have an agenda to take down and destroy the USA and everything they have done and are doing is right according to that plan! they put goofball biden up front to cover up their dealings. all this talk about his ‘gaffes’ and ‘blunderings’ are really annoying to listen to. he is doing exactly as satanic obama is instructing him!
What we think of as right, is wrong to corrupt traitors.
What we think of as wrong, is right to corrupt traitors.
I think they are doing everything just the way they planned it.
They are a bunch of Communist!!!
They have killed our energy independence, as well as crippled our ability to export energy. We are now buying hundreds of millions of barrels of oil a day from Russia and Iran!!!
People need to wake up and understand that these people are Villians.
Have you not heard about their desire to create A NEW WORLD ORDER????
oh yeah, isn’t that a conspiracy theory? (sarc)
Doesn’t matter what ‘administration’ is in the White house, the decisions are made by those who remain in their positions of power regardless of who is president.
“This has to be the stupidest administration in world history”
Yep. Talk about being played for fools. Stupid AND evil!
Everyone who voted for democRATS gets what they deserve.
And yet read the NYT articles and the comments
Its infuriating how many lefties think Biden is a god
The trouble is we have to suffer the; “Gets what they deserve”. Reminds me of everyone gets a spanking because of one persons screw-up.
I’m just saying I’m beyond caring what happens to democRATS at this point … or those who voted for them.
If a clown is installed into the castle, the castle becomes a circus.
Isn’t it known that China Joe has failed in everyone of his foreign policies while he has been as a Senator. Why would things change now?
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I don’t know about stupid per se. Lots of self-interests and personal motivations contrary to the overall interests of the United States and its people.
For months we have had operatives poking at Russia.
They are not stupid. They know exactly what they are doing. Do not mistake pure malice and evil for stupidity.
Agree to disagree. They are stupid. Stupid people can be committed to destruction and outwork their competition. Their belief in the outcome they’re expecting is an absolute betrayal of their cult-like stupidity. Like the fools who thought they’d be lifted into space by aliens if they engaged in a suicide pact (a cult that was exposed a few years back). These people are prime candidates to be lobotomized and rubber roomed for eternity.
It’s the old incompetent Mr. Magoo syndrome.
It just looks like he’s running information for the communists.
#0bamagate

This story shows the strong ties the traitors in the US have with their “comrades” from China. The Chinese infiltration in to the Democrat party, Hollyweird, Corporations, & Universities, began with Kissinger puppet Nixon, but really accelerated under the traitorous criminal Clinton Administration. The Clinton Administration and Democrat Campaign Finance Committee all should have been jailed and faced a long list of charges from high treason on down, but skated away from justice and it all flushed down the Orwellian memory hole. The Democrats and Uniparty traitors love totalitarian China and want to implement it here.
Lest We Forget Chinagate, The Most Serious Scandal in US History
https://www.independentsentinel.com/lest-we-forget-hillarys-china-gate-scandal/
Charlie trie and grocery bags of cash.
So, basically the CIA told China, very secretly, that the US is supporting Ukraine for membership in NATO to provoke Russia to attack The Ukraine!
And the Chinese believed the CIA? Give me a break…talk about 3 D chess…the Chinese are light years ahead of our WOKE CIA.
THe Clinton Obama faction helping instigate a Russia Ukraine War, so China can come in later and steal their farmland.
China needs food… that is the Objective. Hillary faction helping feed China, so the cash can keep flowing back to her and the Democrats.
The Globalist traitors in the US/UK/UN helped cleared out the Christian western governments in Africa, so that China can take over Africa and its vast and rare minerals and resources. That was the goal of destroying all of those western African nations like Mozambique, Angola, Rhodesia, South Africa etc
I dont think China will go into Ukraine to do that
Ukraine is the breadbasket of that region and Putin will not allow it
You think Putin is gonna have a say over that? Lol… try again.
Any man with nuclear warheads has a say.
That would be virtually everyone
Huh 🤔?
Not exactly a secret when there’s a whole website dedicated to it.
Ukraine to join NATO
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm
Buchanan: Did We Provoke Putin’s War In Ukraine?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/buchanan-did-we-provoke-putins-war-ukraine
Truly Machiavellian, schemes within schemes.
In the midst of such colossal lies, where lies the truth?
Possibly in Hunter Biden’s crack pipe or at the US Embassy in Ukraine. Unless they already shredded everything
Heh. Shredded weeks ago. Hard drive magnetically wipes and drilled. Bodies buried in a remote location. They leave nothing unless they are caught off guard.
https://t.me/chiefnerd/2506
looks that way
“No one expected the sanctions to prevent anything from happening”
Then why did they do it?
Because they knew sanctions would provoke something to happen.
The did it for the simple reasons that war is profitable and they can blame their ridiculous EOs supporting the Green New Scam which are causing skyrocketing inflation and fuel costs on, you guessed it “Russia Russia Russia”
As a former construction worker, I would say whoever is actually in charge of this administration does not know if his – or her – sphincter orifice was bored or punched………
Biden wanted the war to deflect from his failures and he got it. What he did not achieve is the deflection, because they are not even competent enough to do the propaganda right, and people have gotten wise to their nonsense.
I suspect that the people controlling the Biden Administration don’t care about deflecting from failures; that’s too short-sighted. It appears Biden is disposable and they are cramming as much crap as they can down our throats while they can in order to bring the country to the point of destruction where there is no return to freedom and liberty.
That is their ultimate goal; globalist, transhumanist power and control with we the people as slaves. They are working to destroy the monetary system, the healthcare system and everything we depend on, so that they own everything and we own nothing.
They tell you straight out what they are doing. Believe them.
For that to work, they maladministration had to ensure that everyone blamed Putin for everything.
Sadly, (for them), Putin gets to drive the deep state lackeys out of Ukraine and the majority blame Biden for it.
If Obiden keeps scoring own goals at this rate he’ll have to invoke a mercy rule on himself.
Agree with your point An earlier war might have been better cover for the bad inflation data that has occurred between November and Feb.
My local disinfo outlets are already saying that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is responsible for the rising gas & food prices, and inflation overall. I saw a strange segment where Weekend At Bernie’s Biden was standing behind a Black woman who was speaking at the podium and he looked like a mannequin, while his Tweedledumb VP had her black mass mask on. A total clown show.
As far as I am concerned, anything “so easily shared with the general public” is very likely not worthy to be seriously believed. Things that are actually worth listening to are not so easily gained.
If you really want to plant info or misinfo with the Chinese, use Eric Fartswell.
And or Bill & Hillary Clinton. They can use the grifting Green groper Al Gore to deliver the messages like when he was their bagboy to pick up the illegal chinese money bags from the buddhist temple
Too obvious. It had to be someone who is, at least, a little antagonistic with China, but, overcame his or her dislike to share information to head off a conflict which may damage China, the US., etc. That someone may have been a female in order to be discounted by the Chinese men who secretly scoffed at her and shared the intelligence with Russians as if it was an inside joke. The approach would have to be oblique like that to be believable.
Heh! Actually he’d spill the beans. Guys like him could never score unless they paid for it, one way or another.
“The first casualty of war is truth.” I don’t remember the author.
Stolen elections have consequences.
As a consequence, if the White House, CIA, State Department or U.S. intelligence community wanted to provoke Russian aggression, they would purposefully put that provocation material into the hands of the Chinese. THAT is the main takeaway from the New York Times article.
Why did they want Russia to invade Ukraine? Biden wanted the Nobel Worthless Prize for stopping the invasion, not starting it.
You said it. A Nobel Prize is worthless.
A crisis isn’t.
There are still a couple of scenarios open where Joey Nobel ends up a “hero” in the eyes of his propagandists.
Coulda just called Trump and asked him to be special envoy to Russia, with caveat that admin would play straight with Trump and abide by any agreement.
America caused the problem by repeatedly goading Russia
NATO too
Ukraine is served up by callous indifference on the part of the West
Zelensky agreed to talks with Kremlin, venue being discussed – Kiev
Ukrainian officials are already discussing terms of potential negotiations with Russia, Kiev claimed
“I have to refute the claims that we have refused to negotiate,” Zelensky spokesman Sergii Nykyforov wrote in a Facebook post on Saturday.
“Ukraine was and remains ready to talk about ceasefire and peace” he said, insisting that currently, “the parties are consulting about the place and time of the negotiation process.”
Kiev also appeared to confirm reports that the Zelensky government had asked Tel Aviv to serve as a mediator at the talks with the Kremlin.
Ukraine’s Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk told the New York Times that Tel Aviv has yet to respond. “They didn’t say no. They are trying to figure out where they are in this chess play,” he said, adding “We do believe that Israel is the only democratic state in the world that has great relations with both Ukraine and Russia.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/550667-ukraine-ready-negotiate-russia/
Let’s don’t say America caused the problem let’s separate the country I love from the idiots and traders who are in power in this country right now
Yes–they’re not America, they’re anti-America.
Zelensky may just say “F it” and throw in his hat with Russia. Just to spite the bad actors.
Fairly sure at this point, Chyna has open-access to ALL of our intel.
Yep
Bungles Biden and his gang of nefarious misfits doing what they do best.
I have keely watched developments in China since the Nixon visit. I was disgusted at the time having had a friend who was forced out of China by Communism. I have seen how they have continued to persecute Christians and continue to this very day but greedy Americans out to make a quick buck have ignored this and poured in investments. Americans have been angered by a few thousand black deaths in clashes with the security forces during 46 years of Apartheid in South Africa but ignored the deaths of tens of millions in China under Communism. I do not wish ordinary Americans ill but your leaders have contributed significantly to the mess in the US and you have been all too gullible in following them.
Empire of Lies indeed!
The Ukrainian people need to start playing dirty with IEDs and booby trap roads and bridges or is that what the puppets (Muslim terrorist) of the intelligence agencies use just on American soldiers ?
Seeing tanks just running down roads without any problems is not gonna help the Ukrainian people whatsoever.
Seeing a Russian tank running over a passenger vehicle means all bets are off and they will soon be over taken and Zelenskyy and all of his family including his children will be treated like the Past Russian leaders.
That was a Ukrainian tank, as it turns out. Evading fire it was receiving off camera.
Believe nothing. Question everything.
There are no words to describe the unbelievably stupid people that have taken control of this country. God help us all
Textbook Idiocracy.
True! At this point I don’t GAF about anything but trying to save normal America from these corrupt, evil bastards.
“As a consequence, if the White House, CIA, State Department or U.S. intelligence community wanted to provoke Russian aggression, they would purposefully put that provocation material into the hands of the Chinese. THAT is the main takeaway from the New York Times article.”
The three fastest ways to get provocation material to the Russians are telegraph, telephone and tell
a womanthe Chinese. .Not a transcript to be had. Not a transcript leaked of Biden, as he says “hours long conversations with his friend Xi”
Remember when Russia leaked the conversation Nuland had about wanting “Yats” to be the leader after the US deposed the Ukrainian leader?
I’m sure Russia has ecording of all USconversations with Ukraine and China
“F### the EU”
I remember that
It is difficult to take the NYT seriously, it is the installed regime’s highbrow propaganda outlet.
Somebody sure does seem to want a whole lot of chaos !
I’d hang them all.
I don’t know. I’m not exactly buying that scenario. I think if anything the WH, State Dept etc were probably saying the quiet part out loud like they get caught doing all the time. They probably really thought they had one over Putin and then bragged about it to China. The Chinese then told Putin that we are weak and haven’t a clue. So the time was right for an invasion bc the US can’t do anything to stop it. Next it’s China’s turn.
Kinzinger now demands that we declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
oh boy …
Equal WWIII and Russia has at least 8,000 nuclear warheads.
The Virginia Project
@ProjectVirginia
Explaining this for the slow crowd, enforcing a “no fly zone” would entail shooting down Russian planes and the start of WW3.
The fact that US foreign policy leaders are this stupid, is why we are in this mess to begin with.
Adam Kinzinger
@AdamKinzinger
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1) The fate of #Ukraine is being decided tonight, but also the fate of the west. Declare a #NoFlyZone over Ukraine at the invitation of their sovereign govt. Disrupt Russias air ops to give the heroic Ukrainians a fair fight. It’s now, or later.
Report: Biden to Divert Agents from U.S. Southern Border, Send Them to ‘Assist’ with Russia-Ukraine Conflict
President Joe Biden’s administration is looking to divert United States Border Patrol agents from their mission at the U.S.-Mexico border to send them overseas “to assist” those fleeing from Ukraine amidst Russia’s invasion, a new report states.
Even as illegal immigration continues pouring through the nation’s southern border at record levels, Biden hopes to entice Border Patrol agents to sign up voluntarily to aid American citizens, green card-holders, and their immediate relatives fleeing Ukraine into Eastern Europe.
John Solomon at Just The News, who exclusively obtained the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) memo, detailed the effort dubbed “Operation Support Ukraine:”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/24/report-biden-to-divert-agents-from-u-s-southern-border-send-them-to-assist-with-russia-ukraine-conflict/
And I thought that was a report from the Babylon Bee :facepalm:
Good grief, I did too.
JoeBama is proving once again that he lives in the Bizarro World,where he does the opposite of everything that would make sense.
Its a feature. Not a flaw. Its all on purpose.
Sundance has spoken to this, almost daily. 🙂
Speaking of misinformation, does anyone have a good source of info for what is really happening on the ground in the Ukraine? I don’t trust the usual media sources (and have stopped watching them regardless).
I have been watching all the live web feeds I can find. From what I have seen in 4 different cities, the Ukrainians sure don’t act like they are in a war.
I have 4 sources…. on the ground.
citizen free press has lots of individual videos and reports
Explains why sean penn went in November…
Zelensky is going to cause thousands upon thousands of needless deaths among the civilian population.
This is a war that Ukraine cannot win, period. Zelensky is urging the citizens to fight and giving them automatic rifles courtesy of the US taxpayer.
If he cared about his people he would have surrendered and ordered the military to stand down.
Instead, there will now be needless bloodshed fighting against Russia to only delay the inevitable.
It amazes me how the politicians try their best to take away my second amendment right but have no problem arming other countries with grenades, missiles, etc.
The problem with giving the civilians weapons and having them fight effectively as a militia, it makes them a valid military target according to the law of war.
Last I knew, Russian forces were adhering to that fairly strictly as they were taking custody of surrendering forces without violence or using unnecessary force against noncombatants.
If Zelensky didn’t want bloodshed he would have stopped the shelling of the two breakaway regions after Russia recognized their independence. Instead he intensified the shelling. Makes no sense unless he was provoking and invasion.
The evil empire wants the most bloodshed possible.
It makes sense because he was doing what his handlers were telling him to do. And yes, it was to provoke invasion.
This is the result of a weakened presidency. It couldn’t be any clearer that Biden is not in charge.
62 percent of voters say Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if Trump were president: poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/595919-62-percent-of-voters-say-putin-wouldnt-have-invaded-ukraine-if-trump
Coincidentally or not, Ukraine meddled in our 2016 elections on the Democrats side. How about Clinton/Ukraine collusion? better yet how about Clinton/China collusion & treason in the 1996 election steals?
They were scared Buchanan would get in, so made sure he was outed
President Trump’s energy policy wouldn’t have paid for the Russians to do it. We are funding Russia’s military. The Germans and EU would still pay them but not at these prices.
A point the left will never accept.
Trump wouldn’t try to push NATO in the Ukraine.
Why did the installed regime report this. Did they think it would make them look good, like they were being proactive, doing everything in their power to avert the Russian incursion.
I also think that all of the false invasion dates were traps to catch leakers and spies against Russia.
Nothing surprises me anymore
My advice: Any info the press or govt gives, turn it around.
It’s way easier to go that way
The advantage the govt/press has, is that MOST people don’t have the time and energy to think about
the messages. Figuring sheet out isn’t a priority for spending daily calories, usually.
Goehring was right.
So you think the Russians would take at face value any intel. info the US was supposedly sending to the Chinese about Ukraine ? Doubtful , maybe Russians were sending info too Chineses as well ?
Breaking: Gen. Michael Flynn Exposes Truth About Putin’s Real Plan – Says It’s Time to Pray –westernjournal.com:
“This “invasion” was totally avoidable.
As one friend told me, President Joe Biden and his failed foreign policy team set the table and sent the invitation and Russian President Vladimir Putin came and spoiled the dinner party.
Clearly, there are fault lines on both sides, but for now, we must pray that those affected, without the ability to decide their fate, are able to survive this extraordinary period of world history unfolding (for many, unraveling) on the world stage. Civilians and military forces will be killed, wounded and displaced; those are the real consequences of war.
Pray that this conventional war is limited in scope, purpose and intent. Yes, there were gross violations of previous agreements due to incompetence, arrogance and ignorance that got us to this point. Beyond this, what happens next is anyone’s guess, but Putin (and Xi — Taiwan?) just laid down a new world order marker. …
It is extremely difficult to trust this administration when they lie with a straight face to the American people daily.
Anyone who questions these rotten foreign and domestic policies is demonized as a racist. We see the unleashing of the federal government on citizens who are simply exercising their constitutional rights and the establishment media covers all this incompetence with a fake smile due to their own deep corruption.
Our president rarely entertains questions or takes responsibility for his tone deafness and failures. The White House ignored — even laughed at — Putin’s legitimate security concerns and ethnic unrest in the Ukraine.
We have yet to hear from the president of the United States an explanation of U.S. national security interests in the region.
Instead, we continue to demonize Russia — reminiscent of the fake Russia-collusion hysteria we now know was perpetrated against the Trump administration by elements of the Clinton campaign and Obama administration (among others).
President Putin calculated this strategic, historic and geographic play and made the decision to move.
And he did.
All that given, there will never be justification for this invasion or any other form of invasion. However, never forget that war results when diplomacy fails.
May God watch over and protect those in harm’s way and may God continue to bless and protect the United States of America.”…….
Amen.
Rest in the Vine: “Joe Biden Is Worse than Putin” by Josiah Lippincott and Other Essays
“Our p-word?” Nope. Donald Trump is my President.
“However, never forget that war results when diplomacy fails.”
Pretty much sums up the whole sordid mess.
Never ascribe to incompetence, that which can be explained with intent.
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Half of the combat footage of Kiev out there is from a video game. Check your sources. Check your sources. Check your sources.
Report: Zelensky asks Israel’s Bennett to play Ukraine-Russia mediator
Poor bugger
The US NATO and the West sold him down the river
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/we-want-jerusalem-to-host-talks-zelensky-asks-bennett-to-play-ukraine-russia-mediator/
State Dept says we cannot have Zelenskyy and Putin coming to a ceasefire.
Oh no, no peaceful negotiations, this might end too soon.
This war is needed to drown out that dreadful honking and provide cover for past and future crimes
against humanity.
(wormwood)
Regardless, Putin had every right to invade. USA and EU have been lying to Putin/Russia. This also applies to Sweden and Finland.
In the 1990’s when USSR broke apart, USA and the EU promised that NATO would not expand any farther east. They lied, (USA/EU), and now the Ukraine and Russia are at war. This falls solely on the USA and EU’s shoulders for trying to expand NATO. This is what Putin has said and here’s the documents.
https://mltoday.com/new-document-us-promised-not-to-expand-nato-eastward/
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
Ukraine to join NATO
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm
Nobody has the right to kill another. Putin has all of Europe dependent on him. He has India dependent on him. He didn’t have to do anything. He chose to. Yep, NATO expanded east. And that was a violation of their promises. But Putin ultimately chose to shed blood and he didn’t have to.
This is not the same as the Cuban Missile Crisis. The USSR had nothing then, economically speaking. But now Putin has taken over Europe. Perhaps Putin invaded because he knew this, and if so, that makes him doubly evil.
Mike, I generally love your posts, but at this moment who gives a sh!t about how evil Putin is. This has been green lighted by first Oblahblah and now Obiden. That’s the problem here. Please focus. How much did Russia expand during PDJT’s tenure? Tyrants must be dealt with effectively, not enabled.
I wish the President of Ukraine would have all the info on Joe and Hunter be released if something was to happen to him or his family. Kinda of like an insurance policy!
Or could it be that Biden wants Ukraine destroyed? And since he has deep ties with China, made this happen? I still believe Obama/Biden, Russia, and China are all on the same page: humiliating the USA and empowering themselves.
This^^^^^^
Why do posters here keep giving Obozo credit for masterminding all this? Last I checked Obozo was a mental midget extraordinaire.
When did the last article say Sean Penn scheduled his ‘fall of Ukraine’ documentary.. About 3 months ago?
The Installed regime is seeding information into the US public through the NYT.
Son Tay Raiders.