Ukraine is a hot mess and has been ever since the Obama administration stuck their fingers into the internal affairs of the country. In recent days, the DC administrative state and their corporate stenographers in media have been promoting a position that the U.S. needs to go to war with Russia in defense of Ukraine.
Fox News host Tucker Carlson asks why. Why does the DC beltway and the crew behind Joe Biden want to create a war with Russia over a nation state that really doesn’t impact U.S. interests? WATCH:
As said by Alfred, Batman’s butler, “Some men just want to watch the world burn.” Those people in America now have their own political party, Obama’s Democrat-Communist Party, otherwise known as the DCP, in contrast to the CCP which funds it.
sounds right to me. you nailed perfectly,
China and Russia will cooperate to try and draw the US into a two-front war by invading Taiwan and Ukraine. The Government Party desperately needs a war. So, everyone agrees there will be a war.
Except for the people who will be told to fight it.
Nobody is going to fight it. It’s so transparently obvious that what they are trying is motivated by selfishness and desperation you’ll see massive protests. It would be the straw that breaks the camel’s back at this point.
I totally agree. Few, will consent to their loved ones putting their lives at risk over a situation that does not threaten our interest. Furthermore, there will be no support over a conflict that was precipitated by weak leadership, including decisions to strengthen our enemies. What I do believe, not advocating, but if the institutions in our country continue to fail in holding these corrupt traitors responsible, the only way they will relinquish power, is from the barrel of a gun. We are up against a global crime syndicate. I have faith in God. Sometimes he tells us to wait, at others, he calls us to action. Because of Jesus, I fear no man or death
Just prior to Dec 7th, 1941, polls consistently showed the American public were isolationist, and wanted no part in another European war, having just gone thru “the great war” 20 years earlier.
Sentiment changed dramatically, after pearl harbor, of coarse.
Never the less, after endless wars, AND the Afganistan debacle, etc. I don’t believe there is any sentiment for War, with the American people, and even an “attack on the Homeland” would be viewed sceptically.
In order for a people to support a war, they need to have confidence in the “rightness and righteousness of the cause”, confidence in the military leadership, AND confidence in the civilian leadership.
With at a minimum 50 percent of the population having no confidence in all 3, and the inability of propoganda to move that needle, actually GOING to war would be a futile excercise.
I do not believe Brandonites have ANY intention of actually going to war, they aren’t “saber rattling” so much as “scabbard rattling”, so that the same people who’s emotional buttons were pushed by “climate change”, “white nationalist terrorists!’ and “Covid” fears, will be pushed by “War in Ukraine” fears.
Its manipulation 101, don’t FALL for it, and don’t contribute to it by foolish comments about “2 nuclear powers, at war over Ukraine!”
Wag the dog.
The failure to have large families makes the few or one child families VERY reluctant to have them/it lost in war unless we are directly attacked and have no choice. The Saftyism of the population is another restraint.
FDR knew that Americans did not want to interfere in Europe…. so he refused to accept Japan’s declaration of war so that he could have his “Day Of Infamy”.
A true progressive ba$$tard, FDR truly was.
I’m not proud of it but any attack on the homeland, at this point, would be met with a big yawn by me. The communists have sapped all my patriotism. There are too many in this country to care if they were attacked. I might care if Florida or Texas were attacked. I would yawn if New York were attacked.
Where’s the Chicago 7 when we need them?
People may protest but the Generals are still gonna obey their orders, which means the soldiers will either fight or desert.
12 USN ships left Norfolk headed to Russia. Thankfully my hubby’s ship is not one of them yet. So yes there are thousands of US troops headed into this shit show. God bless our Sailors and the USA!
Just imo, the CCP would pull back a stump if they invaded Taiwan, unless they set off an electromagnetic nuke first…. But as to motive for this DC-war-with-Russia idiocy, it could be just garden variety incompetence? ‘Never attribute to malice, that which is adequately explained by stupidity’—
Both malice AND stupidity are present.
There is another possible angle we must be on guard against, i.e. the creation of a shooting war involving US troops, Ukrainian elements, and Russian soldiers as a pretext for a future “emergency funding bill” to which the Marxist voting bill will be appended as a simple up or down vote.
Extorting votes in this way has worked well for Dems in the past (got omnibus bills??). Therefore, if a manufactured war endangering life and treasure were proposed as a vehicle for obtaining passage of a Marxist bill enabling the take-over of elections in all fifty states, the Dems would, without question, jump on that opportunity. It’s just the way they think.
Excellent point!
It also gives cover to rinos, who get to laud themselves as great patriots because they feed the MIC with dollars and bodies.
Considering how much the communist dems and the globalist repubs want a war I believe our domestic enemies are pushing harder for a two front war than even our foreign enemies are.
Both so called parties who are really a Uniparty actually want to destroy America. WHY?? Greed? Power hunger? Who knows but it is pure insanity. And we keep electing these insane people into power.
Time to secure the vote and completely take over the Republican party with America First people in every level of government from the school board to he state elected officials that go to DC.
Ukraine is an offshore Deep State colony. Bidan, Pelosi, Romney crime families all have interests there.
As do the corrupt agencies which use Ukraine as a base and laundering station for all of Europe.
Think Awan brothers, married to Ukrainians (all spies) running Congressional IT systems for the DNC, so that US secrets could be systematically sold and USA Main Street betrayed.
Ethnically nearly all of Ukraine is Russian, culturally nearly all of Ukraine is Russian. Ukraine is a fake deep state colony setup by the Clintons and Soros (City of London) under color revolution (Orange).
Much like the USA currently is.
Bingo. Why do you think the DC parasites went bananas when Trump started to talk about Ukraine. Follow the money. That’s all the DC scum care about. They are sick with greed and dangerous. They are becoming like desperate cornered animals.
You beat me to it. All bad things come out of Ukraine. I dont know but, I suspect Russia wants to kill off the crime. If Biden and the rest want to save it after the Afghan mess, you know it’s personal.
Washington DC wants a war…the peasants are never consulted about whether WE want one.
The “Big Guy” won’t get his 10% if Russia invades the Ukraine – that’s the “severe costs” he’s talking about.
Bingo!
War between Major Powers is bad for business, with respect to the Global Puppet Masters who work from Geneva, Switzerland.
The threat of war between major powers is a useful prop but the disruption to income and value is too great to allow. That is why Russia and US were called to Geneva to choreograph the next moves. The US has been purposely damaged from the inside to become the #3 primary franchise thanks to the weak franchise management group currently sitting in the White House and Congress.
WAR as it was known will be limited to proxies and physical battlegrounds of zero consequence to the bottom line value.
The so called much vaunted MIC is valued in meter money $10’s of billions while the rest is worth TRILLIONS.
Sock Puppet JoeBama let slip the deal that had been reached with his “little incursions” comment. That is why Kamala said listen to ME and not JoeBama. Some dunce among the Sock Puppet’s handlers let JoeBama in on the deal.
The Dems are facing extinction. The public has been seeing evidence of their fraud. Once the public’s disgust reaches some critical mass, they will turn on the Dems and on their supporters in the media and in academia.
That makes the Dems very dangerous. They have everything to lose so will try anything, regardless of how reckless or self-destructive, to stay alive.
Some day, you can thank Hillary and Bill for doing their parts to end the Dem hegemony.
You don’t realize that Dems and RNC are 2 sides of the same coin. It was the Bushes that lead us into Iraq and Afghanistan. What was the goal there. How many billions and lives wasted for those crap holes? This country is ruled by the uniparty. Makes no difference which party occupies the WH.
“Makes no difference which party occupies the WH.”
That is the old paradigm. It used to be true, then came along MAGA. Change is coming. Maybe not on the schedule you want, but it is coming.
I am not a glass is half empty guy. I know many here are.
“what was the goal?” IMHO, like the follow on “color revolutions” thruout the ME, the goal was to motivate a diaspora of 10’s of millions of refugees, from ME into europe.
Just as ramping up violence of cartels, stimulated a massive increase of illegals up into the U.S., where illigals weren’t simply immigrated for economic improvement, but for SAFETY.
After all, HOW do you motivate 10’s of Millions of people to leave homrs, families and lives, to illegally emigrate?
Threaten their SAFETY and SECURITY, THATS how.
ISIS and the Cartels were the sheep dogs, used to herd the masses to where TPTB wanted them, and it was TOO coordinated to be explained by “unintended consequences”.
Trump said the other day regarding the refugees “You’ll be hearing from those people someday. In a very bad way.”. He said 3% of the people were vetted and it will be a “sad day for New York”
Interview with Mark Levin
While our country is held together with bailing wire and duct tape.
Disgust of the public won’t do a thing. We are too easily distracted. It will take real pain. No action will lead to change here until people are hungry and homeless.
Ukraine wouldn’t have to worry about Russia invading if they still had their nukes.
Too bad they gave them to Russia on the promise of territorial security from an American President.
Clinton
Big mistake, as Ghadafi learned..
WAR is loved & worshipped by DC, Neocons, UniParty.
WAR means $$$$.
War means heat off all the woes we Americans are facing. Turn narrative around, nothing like a war to do just that! And. Afghanistan went SO well. Pentagon budget shrinking, no active wars to fight. How we keep donors happy?
UNIPARTY, ALL branches of govt LOVE WARS. We can BUY $200 hammers, $400 toilet seats…you get the picture!
So is this the military industrial complex trying to retake their lucrative influence back from the medi-pharmaceutical industrial complex?
The same people who Finance and Own the MIC are the ones gaining from the Trillions being made outside the meter money of the MIC. WAR between major Global Franchises is bad for business and just a useful prop for headlines, excuses, sound bites et al.
There are no more War Hawks or Doves, because they to are paid by the same owners. Their purchased “influence” and “seats at the table of US Government” is the same no matter if there is NO Conflict.
We are seeing the 2010 to 2020 cycle replay, minus election of President Trump.
Very good observation!
1, If we want to start a war we will have to ask Afghanistan to loan us some equipment.
2 .Ukraine is a security buffer between Europe and Russia.
3.We are entering a world wide famine and Ukraine is to Europe what the midwest is to the US.
2 and 3 are excellent points.
They’re an important government money laundering partner. This, and the fact that the Canal wants access to Russian assets, are at least the primary reasons for this whole thing.
Whatever happened to statesman using the “Just War Theory” to debate the necessity of putting our blood and treasure at risk in an overseas conflict?
No one even mentions it.
The old Soviet Union tried to keep @ 14 independent States together by force. In the end it did not turn out well. Vlad should be careful what he wishes for.
He is getting exactly what he and Germany want.
Russian owned fuel flowing to EU through German Spigots. While, new autonomous regions are carved out of the Ukraine.
That is the meaning of the “little incursions” slip by JoeBama and Sec State Blinken the Blind’s statement from Geneva yesterday.
Vlad is smart enough to know war in today’s environment is fought and possibly won by fighting many smaller successful battles on all fronts.
looks like you do not know much about Russia and even less about …VVP. Russia worry about NATO troops on own door step..AND WANT HAVE A GUARANTEE of no expansion toward theirs borders….
The only one that has a vested interest in Ukraine is Joe Biden
I read this morning on Moon of Alabama a statement by a guy named Sergej Karaganov, who heads the Russian Council on Foreign Defense Policy.
“Capturing a country that is castrated economically, morally and intellectually, a country with a destroyed infrastructure and an embittered population is the worst case scenerio”.
It seems that Russia does not want the Ukraine. All Russia has to do is watch and wait – the Ukraine is imploding on itself slowly but surely.
The only exception to this statement, IMO, is if western Ukraine attacks eastern Ukraine – the Dombass. Then Russia will not invade the Ukraine but may do long distance control.
i am not willing to give my life to defend Ukraine, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea or the middle east therefore i dont want to send others to die there either.
Wars are inefficient *depopulation* events, unless we are talking about a nuclear war. And nobody wants that. So targeted genocide it shall be.
All these “oil” wars and nation building exercises over the years have already consolidated power into a One World government.
Economically speaking, we are already there. It’s all over now except for the digital currency/ transhuman slave part.
Close, but no cigar, IMHO.
Those pushing the WWG agenda, are the elites.
THEY have concluded that the global financial system we have is irreparably BROKEN.
In 2008, the fracture became apperent, and they put a CAST on it, in the form of having “central banks” buy up debt.
That was an “emergency measure” put in place to prevent a complete collapse of the global financial system, which would have led to a collapse of our modern civilisation “as we know it”.
However, notice that FOURTEEN YEARS LATER, the “cast” is still in place; they can NOT remove the cast, because the broken bone, is STLL broken.
A collapse of “civilisation as we know it” would mean the death of 100’s of millions, depradations unfathomable, but it also would mean the hierarchy of our current civilisation would evaporate, immediately.
What is the difference between a $oro$ or Gate$, and you or I, if the financial system collapses, $ is valueless, etc.?
NOTHING; our possesions, our lives are totally dependant on what we can hold onto and defend.
If we all lose EVERYTHING, THEY have a lot more to lose, than WE do. I truly think what we are seeing, is an attempt by the elites, having accepted that the collapse WILL happen, to manage the collapse in such a way as to preserve the HIERARCHY of our current civilisation, so in “what comes after” THEY will still be “on top”.
This, to me explains their shift in strategy from “the slow march thru the institutions” to their headlong rush towards ‘fundamental change”, their eager willingness to shred their credibility, their continueing to push despite knowing “the Democrats” are committing “Political suicide”, it explains TDS, and for me it is the only thing that explains their obvious insanity,…and why, fourteen years AFTER the “2008 financial crises” we STILL see virtually all central banks “buying up debt” on a continueing, massive basis.
A cast is only used, to stabilise a broken bone, UNTIL IT HEALS.
Ukraine (and Crimea) have been centers of conflict for centuries. This is nothing new. To think this is something Putin made up out of whole cloth is a fantasy.
Added today, however, is the heretic, self-proclaimed “archbishop” of Ukraine, in defiance of the canonical Metropolitan Onufriy who, along with his flock, are under the omophorion of the Patriarch of Moscow. they WANT to be associated with Moscow. Metropolitan Onufriy has referred to Ukraine’s aspirations to join the European Union as a “tragedy”. Any wonder the western oligarchs hate him and are fomenting trouble in the church?
The heretic claims allegiance to the “ecumenical” Patriarch of Constantinople, who sticks his nose into business that is not his.
US Protestants may not think this is important, but it IS. It is deadly serious.
Kiev has been the spiritual center of the Russian Empire for hundreds of years. Do any of the idiots in DC read any history books? No they are too busy burning them.
In the late 60s, early 70s, I protested against one war.
Never thought I’d be protesting another.
There is a generational hatred between the former occupants of the Pale of Settlement and Russians. They killed tens of millions of Russians early in the 20th century. They are still angry and want to kill more.
Isn’t it amazing how Sleepy Joe is concerned about Ukraine’s border, while the cackling paramour turns a blind eye in her role as border czar?!
Biden Seeks Equal Time To Rebut His Own Statement
Funny!
Lt Col Fatass from Meal Team 6
Meal Team 6!
(I love the CTH)
I looking forward to your take on it Sundance.
Let’s suggest that we are going to War with Russia! Maybe they wont notice we killed 795,372 people so far with the vaccine and are trying to kill more.
93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine
US COVID-19 cases and deaths by state
How is the nation faring against COVID-19, both overall and at a state level? Get the answers here, with data on hotspots and infection rates. This map tracks the history of coronavirus cases in America, both recent and all-time.
Data Updated Jan 20
Cases 67,755,830
Deaths 855,239 times .93 equals 795,372
So 795,372 died from the vaccine, right?
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/
Source of 93%
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wfErug93V94M/
While watching this, notice the vaccine gives you a autoimmune disease.
It’s a good premise, but if I recall correctly, about half of those deaths occurred before the vaccine was administered. So it would be necessary to figure out how to divide the pre and post numbers that way and work with only the post total of deaths.
Otherwise yes, this should work. I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up in Steve Kirsch’s 150K ballpark.
(Oh and the all-time case number is incorrect too. We need to take only about 6% of it because of the high 90+% of false positives from the bogus PCR tests. But that isn’t really relevant to the deaths – death is death…)
I hope I got all this right…
If I had a 18 year old son or daughter They would be sent to a university in Canada or overseas as not to become dead cannon fodder for soulless democrats. All this is a diversion because Biden is completelys dead in the polls and the democrats are willing to kill your kid to keep power.
This is what every failed administration going back to fdr does, look to get us into a war to take people’s minds off the disaster here at home. The only thing the dingbats in dc can’t figure out is how to goad some other country, as a country, into directly attacking the USA.
The Russian mindset toward Ukraine is much the same as the USA in the 1961 Cuban missile crisis. Russia has been invaded by Germany, France, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire, Mongol hordes, (not even a complete list) going back 1000 years. Should we be surprised THEY have something similar to the Monroe Doctrine in their minds, and are upset we are arming Ukraine and threatening to grant them NATO membership in Russia’s soft underbelly? I think not. Whatever Russia might lack in their economy, our government should certainly be looking at them with a sober eye as a military power.
The neochristian progressives deep staters will be lining up to jump in on this!
Keep watching for the RINOs to say one thing and so another.
With the economy and war being out of out most twisted GDP exports and the natural gas pricing… War in Ukraine makes prefect sense.
And the distractions continue…. every time there is a DemonRAT in office the Russians are coming!!! Or healthcare for the people or lowering drug costs or child tax credits… the DC elite play the same tune over and over again… spending billions and the tune never changes…. “where’s my money” really going…!!!
CrowdStrike= Ukraine
If the White House is occupied by The Enemy (and everybody knows it is) then to who’s possible benefit could a foreign war be? We all also know the answer to that.
Starting a land war with Russia on their turf is insane. Russia will throw everything they have at our globalist mercenary force. They will hand our asses to us. Seems like this illegal occupier wants to heap as much humiliation on us as possible. Not surprising from an illegal administration that clearly hates America. Oh, and I heard we are now importing oil form Russia. We depend on Russia for oil and they want a war with them? Who are these insane morons?
they Russia already show on 01/15/2022…. to the world what they are capable do…..only blind do not see that….
Anybody else recognize Col Vidman in the background? The guy the Dems said the Ukranians wanted as their President? I don’t know which identical twin/whistleblower it is. Nobody, even Fox, is pointing this guy out.
The Eastern Bloc exists, in my opinion, to solely protect and serve the Billionaire Oligarchs.
The Big Guy and his family have enabled these tyrants for decades.
America’s Political Elites have been their well paid minions for decades.
It’s not the job of Americans to defend some of the most corrupt countries and politicians in the World.
We don’t have a dog in this fight.
The 2013 CIA Coup in Ukraine
https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com/2021/10/05/the-2013-cia-coup-in-ukraine/
2014
You have a warmonger installed in the WH. He voted for every war he could (but one) during his painfully undistinguished career in DC.
As we all know, trillions of dollars were at stake. The war machine could not afford to have the first anti-war President win re-election.
I don’t think anyone wants a shooting war.
I think the whole thing is a ruse to declare “emergency war powers” so that governments can do things to their own people that they couldn’t otherwise get away with.
There is no need for us to go to war over Ukraine. The Ukrainians are more than willing to fight for themselves. Give them the material means to fight, and Russia will pull back a bloody stump.
You hold a position that the Obama admin created the situation that exists in Ukraine. The admin was shocked at Euromaidan as it was utterly unexpected. I know several intel people that were utterly surprised at what happened. It was not a “color revolution,” nor was it created by the CIA. It was a result of the Ukrainian people themselves rising up against being betrayed by Yanukovich.
Yanukovich was not ousted by Euromaidan either. He was under no threat and could have remained as President, but chose to run for his buddy’s domain and went to Crimea and thence to Moscow where he lives now.
BS..it was color revolution/ bloody coup ….russia will “step in” only if UKIE attack- donets/luhan( majority of russian)republic…
It isn’t just Joe and the Dems lining up here. You’ve got Cruz and the other neochristian progressives lining up with hostile legislation towards this situation.
Always watch what the other hand is doing and ignore everything being said. The RINOs will be completely on board in this mess.
I live in Hampton Roads, which would get saturated with thermonuclear warheads if this game they are playing turned south.
You would think this would be an important story to the local readers of the Daily Press newspaper. If Biden’s bluff was called, everyone in the area would die. Everyone. Vaxed and unvaxed. And yet this topic was never mentioned in the local paper. The actual top news story is “North Carolina women faced with cruelty charges after abandoning 3 bearded dragons in storage unit“. It is likely the DP editors do not want to remind readers they went “all in” to get Biden elected.
BTW, I use the anonymous “submit a tip” button to provide honest opinions to the DP editors. I hope it makes them sad. Sundance may want to consider adding a third daily blog called the Sandbox so we can all share “mostly legal” ways to throw sand in the gears of the deep state machinery.
Simple. To keep Ukraine quiet about US corruption, and to tar Trump via the fake association.
Another thing occurs to me on Tucker’s question – an old adage.
“War is the health of the state.” Thomas Bourne, 1918
Reading what Bourne meant by this (he meant the constitutional state separate from the government), I get the sense that today it would be more accurately worded as:
“War is the health of the Fourth Branch.”
Where will the politicians and Deep State launder their money if there is no Ukraine?
IF I were to hazard a guess … I always believed that after they stole the election, they’d remove Biden from office 2 years in so that whoever took over could be elected for 2 more terms. (They overplayed their hand in the election, so that’s a downside for them to overcome.) So, they need Biden to keep screwing up royally and badly so that in Nov-Dec 2022 or Jan 2023, they can impeach him. Both dems and repubs would be fully behind it.
Now, with that said, I think they are also playing for full control since they realized in the last election when they put Biden in power that they could grab more power. To really do that, they need an uprising. Consider what we’re going through as something they’ve cooked up as the “perfect storm”. Covid conrols, supply chain crisis, battlefield somewhere, lack of food. They’re pushing Americans to rise up. You think the wall around DC was coincidental? Once something happens … and it will, but most likely be liberal wackos with FBI backing/involvement … they’ll look to take control of food rationing and expand military involvement. You already have the military in the hospitals. Tiny steps forward for them until the powder keg of their “perfect storm” goes off.
This is why I keep hammering the fact that it *must* be States that are battling the Fed. They have more power and weight behind them. They have a much better chance of Restoring Our American Republic (ROAR – my little slogan).
Why? Because it pulls assets and attention away from china and taiwan.
US troops in POL are deployed well away from the Ukraine border. Only way they could come in contact w/RUS troops is to move into UKR, or for RUS to actually invade POL. US has said it will not deploy troops to help UKR. US is flying recon aircraft in UKR now which is tickling the dragon’s tail IMO. Seems reckless. Worried about some guy on either side with high hormone levels who decides to be tough.
Guy with high hormone levels? Someone like “Wet-start” McCain???
Pondering further on why for this Russia confrontation: 1) True. The globalists intention of world hegemony is incompatible with the Putins, Xis (and the likes) of the world. There cannot be any other strong man, with different goals as theirs, so Putin has to go. But the West is not really prepared to win a war against Russia. This would destroy the already saddled, leveraged Western economies and Putin/Russia may still remain standing. 2) Is it possible the real purpose of the instigation with Russia is to create the condition under which a “false flag” event perpetrated by Western governments against their own economies/peoples, to issue the Reset they envision? (say a cyberattack that will destroy our ability to support ourselves, especially in the big cities that don’t have a yard of soil to garden even herbs; that the supply chain disruption is necessary to eliminate any reserve that would enable us to bounce back from similar attack in better times, with more stuff stored in warehouses. If this is the plan, it may need to happen before the next harvest–so that harvest never happens. Could the Avian flu causing the culling of millions of chickens–broilers, layers–be also part of the plan? Could there be a series of viruses planned against all forms of livestock to destroy as much food sources as possible? What about diseases for corn, wheat, rice? Or will they take case of agriculture just by destroying the chemical industry (and implements supply chain) we are now dependent upon to feed the masses?
If no. 2 above is the plan, we are really entering into a very dark age of human history, since there are now billions of people in this world, fewer family farms than a century ago, and we are more dependent on mega-farms and a few multinational Ag monopolies such as ADM, Cargill, and few others. But I wonder, could they be so evil as to implement such a demonic plan? Is this the prelude to Judgment? Are we about to enter into the final years (decade?) of history? I cannot fathom something so monstrous happening in the world without having the Lord Himself enter history to end it with His Judgment. One thing for sure, we must be willing to leave it all in the field, even life, trying to stop something like this. And if one may counter that if this is the end of history, then what will soon happen cannot be stopped, I would add that it is also then inevitable that good men go down on the right side of history, fighting evil with honor, rather than complacently allow this demonic system to take hold without lifting a finger. What do you-all think?
I never understood why Russia let their old allies and little brothers the Serbs get illegally bombed by the US/NATO, and let the US/NATO ship in illegal arms shipments from Iran, let the Croatians ethnically cleanse Krajina of Serbs, and than let them ship in over 10,000 foreign islamic terrorists (future Al-CIA-duh) to break up Bosnia & Kosovo.
The US/NATO backed “nazis’ & “Islamic fundamentalist terrorists”. Now they are doing the same thing in Ukraine