The Supreme Court ruling is AVAILABLE HERE. The court ruled 6-3 to strike down the big issue of the OSHA vaccine mandate for businesses with more than 100 employees. However, the court did allow (5-4) the federal vaccine mandate for federally funded healthcare agencies. Justices Roberts and Kavanaugh joined the communists to allow the healthcare worker mandate to continue.
“OSHA has never before imposed such a mandate. Nor has Congress. Indeed, although Congress has enacted significant legislation addressing the COVID–19 pandemic, it has declined to enact any measure similar to what OSHA has promulgated here,” the majority justices wrote in an unsigned opinion.
(Via Associated Press) – The Supreme Court has stopped the Biden administration from enforcing a requirement that employees at large businesses be vaccinated against COVID-19 or undergo weekly testing and wear a mask on the job. At the same time, the court is allowing the administration to proceed with a vaccine mandate for most health care workers in the U.S.
[…] The court’s conservative majority concluded the administration overstepped its authority by seeking to impose the Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s vaccine-or-test rule on U.S. businesses with at least 100 employees. More than 80 million people would have been affected.
[…] In dissent, the court’s three liberals argued that it was the court that was overreaching by substituting its judgment for that of health experts. “Acting outside of its competence and without legal basis, the Court displaces the judgments of the Government officials given the responsibility to respond to workplace health emergencies,” Justices Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor wrote in a joint dissent.
When crafting the OSHA rule, White House officials always anticipated legal challenges — and privately some harbored doubts that it could withstand them. The administration nonetheless still views the rule as a success at already driving millions of people to get vaccinated and for private businesses to implement their own requirements that are unaffected by the legal challenge.
[…] The vaccine mandate that the court will allow to be enforced nationwide covers virtually all health care workers in the country. It applies to health care providers that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid funding, potentially affecting 76,000 health care facilities as well as home health care providers. The rule has medical and religious exemptions.
[…] In the healthcare case, only justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito noted their dissents. “The challenges posed by a global pandemic do not allow a federal agency to exercise power that Congress has not conferred upon it. At the same time, such unprecedented circumstances provide no grounds for limiting the exercise of authorities the agency has long been recognized to have,” the justices wrote in an unsigned opinion, saying the “latter principle governs” in the healthcare cases (read more).
I wonder how this ruling affects schools. Schools do collect Medicaid dollars, especially for their special needs students. In addition, schools often have a nurse or two on staff.
I was just discussing this with someone. Wonder how it’s going to go?
It’s moot /s
I am wondering about that too, Sue.
If a medicaid/care dollar touch them, yes it applies. It’s a big chunk of the population.
So what is to stop them from rolling it over to everyone in the population who is in receipt of Medicare and Medicaid (ie., get fully jabbed or forfeit your healthcare coverage)?
I understood it is applied to healthcare workers because it supposedly has to due with their workplace safety. I don’t see how it can be stretched to apply to people who receive Medicare and Medicaid. But then, everything’s crazy and wrong so any attempt is possible with these evil clowns.
That’s just it, the CRAZY part this is. Can healthcare facilities then turn around and demand all patients be jabbed, or no service?
They’ve already denied services in some places, most infamously, organ transplant wit list patients. Ronald McDonald House in Canada is kicking kids with cancer out if they are not jabbed. It is the CRAZY part, indeed, that can be twisted. And Kavanaugh enabled the possibility for crazy to be introduced here.
That’s my concern.
OSHA has no authority or jurisdiction over state and local government agencies. They are totally EXEMPT from OSHA coverage!
OSHA stated such over a year ago but this group of criminals won’t let it go. They said any such mandate would give total liability to the employer.
So we have been vaxed literally to death and not a single government official has been prosecuted or held accountable.
These people making the rules are not sane, how long until someone calls them on it? I seriously thought when kids got euthanized with this shot parents would fight back but nothing.
The unions gained power by corrupt gangs forcing government to step aside. Here we have corrupt government again siding with money to kill off people.
The “dark” side of unions is a criminal element enforced what the workers could not. They are inseparable because they were created together.
So, who is right who is wrong?
This same issue falls here in this overreaching government of crooks.
And by the way, usually criminals evolve from corrupt unjust governments. Put some thought in that. Looting was allowed by our government, promoted. Drugs bring cash where government wants it hidden. Prison educates criminals on crime.
People have been destroyed on so many levels by these evil morons who kill steal and destroy for personal gain.
So, where does this leave federal employees who do not work in a hospital or have anything to do with the medical field?
I thought Congress and the federal workforce were exempt? But those with government contracts were not exempt.
federal workers are not exempt, though some agencies may be pushing it less strictly.
US Post Office, an Executive Branch agency, is exempt. Gotta keep those mail-in ballots through.
Federal workers and military are not exempt. My son is a federal employee and had to get the jab or lose his job.
Hopefully he had integrity and refused the jab. If not then he took the poison he took and owns the consequences. Sorry but until everyone chooses their freedom and life over a job they will be disabled and possibly dead- and if alive they are a slave. X nurse here.
Thank you.
Jesus weeps at your arrogance and vitriol.
Who made you an authority on when Jesus weeps. Seems like arrogance and vitriol from you.
And yet Jesus will allow you to take the mark of the beast. Is that arrogance and vitriol? Or is it free will and the consequences of choice?
The rest of us weep over your stupidity and uneducated views, while hiding behind a Jesus quote.
Holding the line is a tough job!
Thank you for your integrity.
I believe that there were carve-outs for certain branches of the gubberment, like the usps.
God bless your son.
I work for the Federal Government. I am sitting under a mandate. We have lost hundreds of workers. I have been waiting adjudication of my RA (religious accommodation). This has been hanging over our heads for 9 months. They are firing people that don’t apply for MA or RA. Not all of us are lazy government workers. We have careers and families and stand to lose all we have worked for.
Don’t pay them no mind TXinFL. The republican ‘big tent’ gets awful small on the internet. Some people have no manners.
That’s the aggravating part for anyone with a brain. If this is a true health emergency, this cherry picking stuff is insane. All or none. Every move they make, and we’ve seen and been damaged by plenty the last couple years, is more like an act of war than a response to a health emergency.
They remind me of wolves picking off sheep on the perimeter, as the herd gets smaller and smaller. This is death by inches.
as they get closer to the center they will find wolverines in sheep’s clothing.
exactly… i wonder what mental gymnastics they had to go through to suggest the constitution allowed the mandate for healthcare but not others….
just kidding, i dont wonder or care at all what an illegitimate government court says.
The difference they found was in the statutes delegating authority I believe. They found that the OSHA governing statute did not intend to allow OSHA to regulate public health. As a result, they did not need to get into thornier Constitutional issues since the mandate died on that point. Courts are not supposed to reach Constitutional questions if the issue can be resolved on lesser grounds.
In contrast, the majority opinion found language in the CMS governing statute and regulations having to do with operating safe facilities to be an adequate delegation of congressional authority to attach conditions to federal money (spending clause).
As best I can tell, the main focus was on
Did The Mandator Have Power Delegated by Congress to Issue a Mandate to Protect Medicaid and Medicare Recipients Health?
and no real discussion of
Is a Mandate by Any Governmental Authority to Inject Yourself With an Experimental and Potentially Lethal Substance a Violation of Substantive Due Process If It Is Done Through Coercion (i.e. the threat of losing your entire revenue stream)?
Among other questions that could be posed.
Have not done more than read the CMS decision myself, so that’s just a rough pass.
It seems like it was strictly political. I’ll give you this if you give me that. Instead of destroying all businesses in America, we’ll just destroy healthcare, OK?. After all, Medicare and Medicaid services are for elderly and poor people, both of whom are in categories the Elites would just as soon eliminate. Cuomo did a good job of it in NY. He got away with the manslaughter of thousands of elderly people trapped in nursing homes that he could send the virus to.
Now, thanks to the SCOTUS, scores of nursing homes will probably have to close because they can’t be staffed. Short-staffing in those places is already at crisis levels. Good luck finding a bed for mom or dad if they need a SNF or nursing home. Families will be forced to care for them or hospitals will be full of them because they won’t be able to provide a safe discharge plan. You watch how many hospitals will end up just pushing them out the door into the street, or who will cancel their Medicare/Medicaid contracts because they can’t get staff. HCW’s are leaving the field in droves, not just because they don’t want to inject poison. They’re traumatized and burned out and the exodus started long before the mandates. It becomes an exponential problem, as those who are left behind can’t meet the demands of the volumes of patients. So they leave too. Hospitals are having to pay exorbitant amounts of money to Travelers if they can find any. Employers are now making symptomatic CV+ staff return to work after 5 days, as long as they don’t have fever. (Doctors will tell you you’re contagious for 10 days.) But it’s OK to cough and sneeze all over their co-workers and patients according to Dr. Fauci & the CDC. God forbid they bring the staff back who had natural immunity but wouldn’t get vaccinated. When the vaccines aren’t even effective. Another example of Mass Formation Psychosis.
Thanks to the treacherous Quisling, Justice Kavanaugh, many people will die because of this decision and he owns this. IMO, it’s not a coincidence this decision comes at a time when there will be peak demand as the Baby Boomer generation is needing more healthcare and assisted living/ nursing homes. Our government is DELIBERATELY trying to destroy healthcare services in our country.
It is.
Biden’s EO mandating vaxes for Executive Branch federal contractors was overturned (stayed) by more than one district judge, IIRC.
The EO for mandating vaxes for Executive Branch federal employees remains in effect.
Those 2 EOs are separate from the SCOTUS OSHA ruling today.
It appears quite clearly to me now … that these buffoons who last year “conspired to steal an American election” … most certainly with the complicity of Congressional operatives who are right-now still in power as they knew they would be … have no idea what they have tried to wrought.
Although they claim to “rule” this country, the reality is that “they do not have a cuckin’ flue.” 🤡
Another humiliating loss.
Election fraud bill, another loss.
Filibuster, game changer, another loss.
Everything from Obama/Biden has been a total failure, we are fed up. Send the loser packing.
This group is the true opposite of WINNING!
It’s not a loss, Comrade. It is a mere setback as private companies are now Free to impose their own vAXXX requirements. OSHA was overruled only on mandating private companies. So Commies gotta commie, now comes the Feral Gov and democRat State Gov “arm twisting” with $$$$ given or taken.
Healthcare, Gubmint, and Military still on the hook for the jab. The Soopremes just did their Pontius Pilate ruling and We think it’s a Loss. What’s next? Just wait and See. These NWO Vermin haven’t even played their Economic Default card yet.
https://songstube2.net/188064-John%20Hiatt-Native%20Son.htm
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Right, pass the baton to fascist Corporate America.
So if a future Executive Branch or Agency decides there is a new emergency and it deems that everyone should be required to inject bleach in their arm, we now have a precedent that allows a future cowardly or communist court to hide behind today’s ruling and approve that OSHA mandate.
i hope this pushes the good doctors and lawyers to accelerate their court filings of Crimes Against Humanity at The Hague that may now also include a few judges as well.
the only way anyone will ever be held to account is if citizens start making arrests and conducting their own trials.
Do we really have to do all that? We can’t just shoot em? S
I hope Sundance considers a thread entitled simply WHY? Or maybe Over their skies.
My point is, why the massive push right now to….
1) call out to social media companies to crack down on vaccine discussions
2) call out to businesses to still require jab by-passing the SC ruling
3) rush through a voting right bill to the point of gutting an completely other approved bill and insert this voting verbiage
Why?
IMO it is because they know the truth is coming out about their possible illegal activity and Potential Crimes Against Humanity.
Thus the expression they are way over their snow skies. They know it and under no circumstances can they lose control or power in DC come the fall.
If the Patriots take over much can and most likely will be exposed. Also by then the world will know if ADE is real or not and the potential harm and death it has caused. And if that is the case it aids the cause and case of possible crimes against humanity.
Bottom line it is all or nothing, right now for them. There is no turning back!
Id really like Sundance’s take on this, especially the part of them being over exposed.
He already answered why in a previous post(s).
why?
its all part of the plan
My take – it is not potential crimes against humanity, it’s ACTUAL crimes against humanity.
My other take – it’s a Uniparty, all in this together, all on the take pharma dollars in their PACS, Pharma stocks in their portfolios with foreknowledge of market moving information. We, the lowly voting citizens, have no comparable bribe to offer them. Precious few in Congress do the right thing for love of country. They act for themselves, not us. Hate to be so cynical and bitter, but I’ve been let down far too many times. Sadly, I don’t expect the Republicans to do a thing.
Bogey
i believe you are on the right track with your statement. Things are being slowly revealed that prove the deep state/elite’s guilt, and they are terrified of losing their power and control. They are running out of ammunition.
What happens to healthcare workers in states like Florida that already passed state laws that do not allow mandates?
The healthcare worker ruling is BS. The vaccines do not prevent infection or spread of infection. Also does not recognize natural immunity. I guess common sense and facts don’t matter. As usual Thomas & Alito are right.
States power trumps Federal power on Health.
Tell DC to go pound sand.
I’m an RN in Florida and the hospitals etc. are going to enforce the mandate because they are reliant on Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement. DeSantis has no power over it. They may allow for broad acceptance of exemptions though…
You really must stop saying “Justice Roberts joined the communists.”
Roberts is in fact a communist. It is not news when a communist sided with communists.
Kavanaugh may be. The book is still out.
I’m still stunned that the so-called Supreme Court ruled the way they did on the OSHA mandate… unless as other have suggested, it’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing… which I’d be more inclined to believe.
I’ve resigned myself to expect nothing but disappointment and confusion from that bunch of frauds.
We know they’re corrupt… it will all come clear sooner or later.
There is nothing in this ruling to prevent the states from picking up where the Federal government left off. But the longer this plandemic goes on, the harder it is to justify a prolonged “emergency,” especially when half the country goes about their regular business, and safer therapeutics render EUA’s invalid.
Can’t have it both ways.
I think that Roberts is corrupt, that Sotomyer and Kagan are intellectual idealogue lightweights who are affirmative action placements, that Beyer is an intellectual lightweight idealogue as well. It appears that Kavanaugh leads with his emotional side and Amy Cony Barrett might have no clue what she is supposed to
be doing which is adhering to the constitution. I am not entirely happy with Gorusch either, but thus far he seems to be better than the other two new justices.
I think most of the above think they are rock stars because they are on the supreme court.
I find that they are not as intellectually superior to the rest of us as they might think. But, certainly Justice Clarence Thomas is. Alito seems to be in second place in that regard.
It certainly fascinating to watch. And also fascinating to watch the Biden administration openly defy their decisions if it doesn’t suit their fascist purposes.
And, God bless them all, the Justices are swimming neck deep in Communists who do everything from form up those statements and questions we heard at oral argument to sourcing case law to forming up briefs. I hope to heck they aren’t writing the opinions too. The infiltration of the legal and justice system is decades old and those in it who work for the Justices are part of the group, not exempt from it. They carry the message.
Kavanaugh is a limp writsted cry baby among whatever else he is. I heard rumors he is a gang rapist from way back.
He just gang-raped the Constitution.
This is not a great win for us. They’ve already scared well over half the population into getting the jab with untold numbers of adverse reactions and deaths. How many deaths is enough? How many people and families and businesses have already been ruined by all the BS over the last 2 years. This isn’t the end of the tyranny, this is just a carrot. Lets skip to the endgame and let the cards fall where they may. It’s the only way to get this country and more importantly the world back to some degree of sanity. I firmly believe this is all part of their school play, deep down does anyone really believe there isn’t more pain and suffering to come?
I think young people should find a happier place in time. Perhaps all this is simply normal to them, IDK. I won’t be alive to see a return to sanity so have come to accept insanity for what it is and simply go on with clear decisions in advance how to handle any threats.
While contemplating this I’ve been watching the Nuremberg films, with special interest reflecting on all the German citizens who went along with the Nazis and committed unspeakable acts and and appeared to show little to no remorse or even acceptance of what they’d done. Programmed, hardened, cold. Sounds familiar. A difficult enemy to defeat. Plenty of suffering ahead.
SOUNDS FAMILIAR INDEED!
Well I guess I am in the minority from what I’ve been reading. I hate to disappoint all of you who are excited but what SCOTUS did today was a Constitutional abortion.
The only ruling that would have honored the Constitution would have been “it is all stricken down” and can only be imposed by the legislative body. The court has no other say. Parsing is communism. They can’t make laws in the court.
The simplest example of what I mean is this. I don’t know who was representing the Med facility workers but the argument, to me, is quite simple.
“How can you (SCOTUS) mandate THEY (Med Workers) must abide and YOU and the entire Judicial System are not required? Where is THAT in the Constitution?”
It’s not there. This was a sellout. Maybe not a total sellout but a sellout of the Constitution in any capacity is not a win.
There is precedent for healthcare workers to be vaccinated. But if I were a healthcare worker, I would file a lawsuit to argue that mrNA experiments are not legal EUA’s, since other effective therapeutics exist. I would also argue that mRNA injections do not prevent infections and are therefore not vaccines but therapeutics that are thought to lessen symptoms only.
Is this the precedent you are referring to? I only ask because if so, this is not a legal precedent.
https://fullfact.org/health/mandatory-vaccine-care-home-hepatitis-b/
They should just resist and walk out. They are not slaves. No one should tell them what to do with their bodies. I wouldn’t accept it from anyone and I don’t expect it for any other person. We are FREE.
Regarding Hepatitis B vaccines, employers subject to OSHA are required to educate their health care workers – those that have a reasonable risk of exposure to bloodborne pathogens – on Hepatitis B and offer the Hep B vaccine at no cost to the employee. However, the worker is allowed to sign a “declination” if they do not want the vaccine for whatever reason. Unvaccinated workers have the right to change their minds at any time and get the vaccine from their employer as long as their risk of exposure still exists. If this is the precedent they are referring to, it obviously is not the same.
https://www.osha.gov/sites/default/files/publications/bbfact05.pdf
Lacking further evidence/clarification, the legal precedent was set yesterday by Crying Kav and Red Roberts absent any/all Constitutional basis.
And yes, I agree, the jabs are, at best, experimental preinfection therapeutics.
This is the big problem–SCOTUS and other government bodies cannot distinguish the mRNA/EUA from real vaccines. An experimental (and fake) vax should never be mandated.
Sorry, I disagree. No person should ever be forced to take any medical procedure or treatment. Consent is required, no coercion or enticement.
Meow. Right you are. I have a no resuscitation order. Doctors are always surprised.
One of my aunts had a stroke in her 30s and was an invalid for years. I don’t want to live like that.
exactly. a corrupt court full of weakness, propped up by an illegitimate government.
i care not what they have to say, one way or another. They’ve lost the plot, and must be dismantled before the republic can be restored.
I wonder what this all means for medical offices who are contracted community medical offices for the VA?
My understanding is if any health facility accepts/takes Medicare/Medicaid payments then that is Government assistance and thus the workers are mandated.
IMO it totally violates the Nuremberg Code
Don’t worry medical peeps are lively. They’ll get a saline shot and call it a jab.
Has Kavanaugh ruled against the Leftists on anything?
Nope!
Now I understand why he cried, damn snowflake.
Classic Stockholm syndrome. Kavanaugh is a liberal
Perhaps someone else made this point, nevertheless:
So with the 2 different rulings, Healthcare workers don’t have the same rights as the private sector?
Equal protection under the law no longer applies in the USSA.
Many healthcare facilities already mandate a yearly flu shot. Now a covid shot. Can you imagine what else they will mandate? ?
That’s why I walked away from my career in nursing about 3 decades ago; CA mandated the shot and didn’t have exemptions, so I quit. I knew most other states would follow even then, so moving would only prolong the difficult choices
does anyone even care at this point what pedantic constitutional gymnastics they went through to arrive at such a distinction?
good lord this court is useless.
Useless and evil, when decisions like this harm so many and enforce the exact opposite of what the court is supposed to represent and do.
To be precise, if your entity ( hospital, long term care facility, physical therapy practice, medical practice) participates with CMS, then by taking federal $$ in payment, your entity agrees to employ only people who have gotten the shots.
It is a sort of outsourcing of the coercion.
With something like a third to half the country having their health coverage through CMS, any hospital that declines to take Medicare or Medicaid ensured patients has a choice between bankruptcy or being the federal governments willing accomplices.
The individual health care workers’ rights are not technically the issue under review.
Now do we see clearly why there was such a push to expand federal health coverage groups? From Chip (children) to Obamacare? It wasn’t about health. It wasn’t about compassion. It was about CONTROL and implementing a Vax pass all along.
However, Scott Pressler is correct. States could start to set up parallel systems to give their hospitals an out.
The Constitutional power being exercised on the CMS case is the spending power. If Florida decided to set up its own payment system for hospital services, hospitals could just say, we don’t take Medicare or Medicaid, we only take private insurance or OrangeAid.
How Florida would fund that is a different question. Unlike the federal government, States generally have no ability to print money out of thin air.
Nursing homes is a much tougher nut to crack, and that is why this is going to be devastating to that sector.
At least 80 percent of most nursing home residents have their care paid for by Medicaid. That cost is split between the federal government and the state government. The cost of funding long term care is a major spending category is most state budgets. Could a state opt out of the federal scheme and decide to go it alone? Maybe, but not turning on a dime.
So now the kitchen staff will quit, the janitorial staff will quit, and the quality of care will plummet. Bottom line is that between the shots, the coerced admission of infectious patients, and a demoralized and overworked staff, the last place you will want your loved one to be is in a long term care facility.
This pandemic should have taught us all that. I’d rather have mom at home than a nursing home.
My husband and I live at Mom’s with her to ensure that never happens! ( I made a promise as a child and I’ll live by it no matter what comes. They won’t take her out to the back pasture when no one’s looking)
Which clause of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to establish itself as an insurance company?
Health insurance itself has been our downfall and no I do not know how it could be handled differently but 7,000 dollars for an emergency room visit with a few tests and shots being the norm shows it is a total failure, because by a large majority no individual can possibly afford to pay it and those who can’t afford insurance are now reliant on government help. This was an inevitable outcome for total reliance on government from the start.
It’s not about the rights of the health care workers. They still have the right to choose other work.
Many kinds of professions have requirements, including medical requirements, in order for the worker to retain licensing and certifications. Anyone who drives commercially must submit to random drug tests, for example. If you test positive for any drug that has an incapacitating potential, including marijuana, you get the choice to enter a rehab/diversion program, or quit. Thousands of truck drivers with legitimate bad backs and an Rx for pain meds are terminated each year. There’s no prosecution of them. They just aren’t allowed to drive commercially any more. They can’t qualify.
In health care jobs that include any sort of direct patient contact, staff are mandated to take several kinds of vaccines the general public doesn’t have to get. It’s to preserve the right of the vulnerable PATIENTS to be treated in a facility that is “cleaner” than any normal environment. Immune-compromised persons cannot withstand exposure to several kinds of bacterial and viral contamination that are ordinarily acceptable for the general public to encounter in public buildings or at home. If a nurse refuses the annual flu shot (for example), they sometimes don’t get fired, but they definitely won’t be allowed to treat patients for the duration of the flu season. In hospitals where I worked, they were sometimes transferred to graveyard janitorial work at a reduced rate of pay. Again, they couldn’t qualify for their regular duties.
The difference in the two SCOTUS rulings is because of the differences in the risks to the end consumers of each category of work, as well as the differences in the scope of authority between OSHA and the Medicare/Medicaid administrators.
What about hospitals that have more than 100 employees? How do they reconcile that I wonder? Which mandate over rules the other? This is such a stupid way to try and please both sides politically, while sacrificing Americans with both their medical freedom of choice and threatening their employment opportunities. How in the world can the majority SC think that is ok?
I know they are supposedly ruling on the laws and who has the legal right to make those decisions regarding hospitals and govt. aid. However, seems they tried to make another split the baby decision that now will hurt not only the employees who don’t wish to inject themselves with an experimental drug, but it hurts all patients entering those hospitals with lack of proper care being just one of the dangers.
Are they now saying it will be ok for the govt. to tell hospitals who use Medicare and Medicaid monies to deny unvaccinated patients, including children, entry into those hospitals? Are they going to threaten unvaccinated seniors with removal of Medicare? Are they going to threaten the poor with removal of Medicaid services? It so easily could go there now, imo.
This was no big win today at all. No enforcement of the Constitution and our rights. They opened the door to more govt. control over people’s healthcare. It should have been a simple not Constitutional to force people to take any form of health care they don’t want to take, for any reason.
Next up…………………”that’s a nice Soc Sec check you got there; Wanna keep getting it?”
That’s what scares my wife and I. Absolutely in play, already proposed by talking heads on the left.
They’ll keep doing this crap to us until it becomes “uncomfortable” for them. Extremely uncomfortable.
I’ve been expecting that since back when they began to mandate the vax. It is the only choice they have left because they are spending money like it grows on trees. They want to keep that money now so they can spend it on the illegals.
And 10 years ago we were fighting having to buy a product we didn’t want Obama Care this is more of the same push, push push.
And ….not everyone complied back then. A lot of people took the “tax” because it was cheaper than selling a liver or kidney.
The second ruling is not boundaried by the number of employees, only by whether or not the business is reimbursed by Medicare/Medicaid.
If an Urgent Care with six employees accepts Medicare patients, they will have to abide by all the federal mandates that come with it. There are lots of them besides medicating the employees. All the clinic records must be electronic (for example), or the Medi/Medi system won’t reimburse for services. No more paper charting. If there’s an internet outage, you stop accepting appointments and seeing patients until it is resolved.
One more reason to be grateful I left medicine
Dr Malone and Dr McCullough and their group of 10,000+ medical professionals really need to accelerate if they can, their investigation, studies and findings on IF the jab in any way promotes ADE.
Only then if it does and their findings are clear might the court correct the error of their ways IMO.
I mean who would allow harm and possible death to millions if ADE is proven?
They can’t get accurate statistics on ADE from woke hospitals that live off the government teat. Vax injuries are hidden. One way to skew statistics is by counting the vaxxed as UNvaccinated during the time frame when the majority of short-term vax injuries present.
why? is ADE in one of the articles or clauses I have forgotten about from my government class?
Who would allow harm and possible death to millions? Confronting Evil isn’t pleasant, but the alternative is to succumb to it.
Call it by it’s many guises and names, NWO, Deep State, CFR, NEA, FBI, KGB, IRS, DOJ, DARPA, CIA, ACLU, Nazi, Bolshevik, ProgreSSive, never ending costumes covering the same vile, wretched souls who must Control Everyone and Everything under the guise of a Utopian Central Authority.
Really? They have done nothing other than make matters worse. They have killed hundreds of thousands at this point what’s a few more?
The clown is worried about election subversion? Could that be the same sort of subversion that put this angry dead husk in office? Communists always, always accuse the opposition of the heinous behavior they engage in every day.
They split the baby, and in so decided that there are tiers of rights that you can hold as a citizen regarding your healthcare based on where you work. I guess anyone under OSHA control can wear their chains more lightly.
some of the animals are more equal than others.
They halted the mandate, Now it goes back to the lower courts to determine whether both will be struck down or upheld. Today’s decision was a shell game, smoke and mirrors.
They punted. Rather than strike it down they punted.
Yup, there are always the guy who gets up to the plate and dreams of the home run hit every time…..
The coach knows the way to win ball games is to hit singles, singles, singles, singles…… put a 1 up on the score board.
Repeat process.
And then be thankful of the “often thought of” but “seldom produced”, home run.
The japs went for the “home run” win at Pearl Harbor………..and lost big time.
The Americans hit singles, doubles, triples and some home runs across the Pacific and won.
The coup plotters went for the “home run” when they tried to pull of the “big steal” in the 2020 election.
President didn’t concede, because he didn’t lose, and upset their apple cart.
The coup plot leaders knew they lost the war 11 months ago.
“Let’s go Brandon!”
Anybody who sides with Kagan and Sotomayor should have there heads examined.
The mandate means some medical staff refusing the jabs and being fired and others taking the jab and falling ill or worse dead. So unfortunately the less medical workers there are = the less people the medical facilities can treat so… = the worse the chinavirus pandemic becomes because of lack of treatment available. That is what these horrid people want, to continue the farce of a pandemic with full hospitals.
X nurse here and I disagree. Sadly the more dead and disabled vaxxed healthcare slaves (70% my guess of docs and nurses) there are the better chance the remainder of the population has to live- harsh and true. A huge percentage of docs and nurses pushed the Covid bioweapon injection on innocents without informed consent- brainwashed or bought off. We will all have to take personal responsibility for our health and seek out docs and nurses who get paid cash ( don’t accept government payments) and actually honor their Hippocratic oath and practice in accordance with their morals. Our family has largely seen integrative healthcare practitioners for the past 18 years, we dumped our healthcare insurance 6-7 years ago – get much better care at 60-70% less cost. Samaritan Ministries health- sharing ministry- best decision we ever made.
Husband received his Covid compliance letter yesterday, so this came just in time. Live to fight another day.
Hot-diggity!
“Let’s go Brandon!”
An all time favorite song of mine!
And glad to hear, happy for you!
Lolol 🤣🤣🤣
Tell us when you’re competing so we can cheer and vote!
Those in the healthcare industry, who I personally know, tell me there are empty floors in hospitals because there is a shortage of staff; not an increase in Covid cases.
Also, many continue to REFUSE the jab and are re-grouping for a fight and alternative employment.
It’s very difficult to believe that 10 million healthcare workers are just going to line-up (sheep-style) and take as many jabs as the Feds are demanding. It’s just not reality.
They have constitutional rights also. I believe the real fight is just beginning. The War is not over by a long shot.
In Australia, I have a friend who was a senior doctor with probably 30 years of experience. Now this person is unemployed and gets a little money as a cleaner.
Who lost more, this unemployed doctor or the community. Probably the community lost the most.
Yes, this. They have constitutional rights, too, just like the rest of us. I will not leave them behind.
I’m so confused – did Kavanaugh ride the Lolita express? I’m pretty sure Roberts must have – but Kavanaugh???
It appears they ruled very narrowly on whether OSHA had the authority to enforce a medical mandate, and found that no, it did not. But, does that now mean that state governments have the right to order someone to take an experimental treatment that may kill them? If ever there was a clear violation of the 4th amendment, this is it.
I don’t know – I’m not feeling like this was a win, maybe a sort of win, but not a win.
KAVEnaugh is a disgrace. What a waste. Conservatives fought for him to get on the bench only for him to repeatedly stab us in the back!
Agree.
And who was the advisory committee for the selection of the three appointed judges during President Trump’s administration?
We need to not forget.
“I’m not feeling like this was a win”
New version of “there is too much winning….. I don’t like winning, it is not fair”
A win is a win is a win.
Deal with it.
Obviously Biden/Obama could give a sh&t about our Constitution…and they should be held accountable.
How to destroy an entire industry by a few cowards.
What happens when 10-25% of the work force walks away vs getting jabbed?
What happens if adverse reactions including deaths as reported in VAERS continue?
What happens if ADE is real as some medical experts suspect?
Then ask yourself I wonder if the top 10% of surgeon in my hospital are still here as you are going in for an invasive procedure.
Then ask yourself am I going to even get quality care let allowed someone who is properly skilled?
Why even open up this can of worms if it has now been proven and supported by pharmaceutical and health officials that BOTH jabbed and unjabbed can get and transmit the virus?
If there is no difference why force the jab and lose dozens if not hundred or thousands of workers in a facility?
These people are either completely stupid or purposefully wanting to destroy health care.
Imagine a Supreme Court Ruling that anywhere your Tax Dollars are distributed that ORDER from the KING can be attached to them
We are not Globalist. Those that signed on before they knew WE COULD FIGHT IT are still TRAITORS.
a rule that they think should be added to this is: if you are taxed, we can tell you what to do with every Tax
Refund.
https://4thamendmentrestored.com/f/welcome-to-animal-pharm
When discussing with your child whether to go into the medical field:
4. Now, less civil and constitutional rights than the rest of citizenry.
I am honestly SHOCKED about OSHA decision.
But I am also reminded that there is never a clear predictive pattern to any scotus rulings over the last several decades either.
It could have easily gone the other way, based on past “performances”.
I agree with the outcome, but I do not agree how the arguments was narrowed.
for me, the entire premise of the argument goes to informed consent PLUS the right to decide what you will agree to put into your own body.
THAT argument was not heard…it was replaced with an argument that skirted that premise, and subsituted “legal precedent”.
what to expect next? Be clear about this: this ruling is not the last word. Lower courts will continue to hear challenges and answer stay and injunction motions.
I expect BOTH cases to come back up through the courts and to scotus again..this time retooled, and nuances.
Could congress get the political action necessary to actually make such laws? possible, feasible. But then we are into new legal territory where SCOTUS has opined that the major questions arguments also include whether congress itself can delegate such powers.
Today felt like winning, but I am reminded there is still alot of work ahead and the corruptors will not give this up.
here’s the rub: we are no longer in the same trajectory of the pandemic we were in late october 2021. Not even close. Delta has located parity and equilibrium and omicron has proven to be very mild and far less likely to be anything close to a “grave danger” hazard.
by the time these cases move through the lower courts and get challenged and then scotus gets another crack at those cases, this pandemic will certainly be a completely different threat…far less.
Time, and timing, is just as important to recognize if the courts actually are being properly informed about current risks. And that seems to be a key to what to expect moving forward.
I have no doubts to believe that omicron can produce just as many cases in a short period of time than other variants. The key is that the science is showing those cases are far less likely to cause harm.
THAT NEEDS TO BE THE ARGUMENT INCLUDED IN ALL CASES. UPDATES TO REFLECT CURRENT SITUATIONS.
does the President get to rule the entire country if he can taint its budget with federal dollars?
tax refunds?
any Federal Spending period.
the Precedent was set.
Congress can not delegate power they do not possess. These aren’t wins, SCOTUS is marking time with weak nonsense.
Slippery-slope ruling. Republican compromise with the Left is always in the Leftward direction. Always.
so the answer is to refuse to accept federal dollars – does that mean we don’t have to pay into the federal coffers?
It’s not as simple a proposal as you might think. If you aren’t taking ANY fed money it also means things like no driving on Interstate highways, no banking where they are insured by FDIC, you can’t get a federally-insured mortgage or student loan, no Social Security (disability or regular), no AFDC child support for the poor, no entrance to national parks/museums, and YOU pay for your child’s K-8 education entirely out-of-pocket at home or in private schools.
It still would not exempt you from having to pay taxes. You just wouldn’t get any of the benefits derived from them.
We’re all gutless when it comes to that even though we outnumber the traitors by millions OR maybe it’s to soon and the numerous battles we’re fighting on other fronts will give us the will to implement that when the time is right.
These cases are not about the efficacy or importance of COVID–19 vaccines. They are only about whether CMS has the statutory authority to force healthcare workers, by coercing their employers, to undergo a medical procedure they do not want and cannot undo. Because the Govern- ment has not made a strong showing that Congress gave CMS that broad authority, I would deny the stays pending appeal. I respectfully dissent.
—Clarence Thomas.
If you are elderly or poor then you likely depend very heavily upon Medicare and Medicaid. With the entire healthcare system in The United States already under tremendous pressure and short-staffed this mandate is a direct attack on the health of the most vulnerable. To mandate a “vaccine” that does not prevent someone from getting or spreading this condition, one can only conclude that those in favor of such a mandate are cruel, thoughtless, and lack empathy for humankind
or just plain EVIL.
“The challenges posed by a global pandemic do not allow a federal agency to exercise power that Congress has not conferred upon it.”
Nor do such challenges allow Congress to confer upon a federal agency a police power that it itself does not have.
The mandate will not stop completely until there is a revolution. Sadly, most Americans will gladly bow their knee to the beast. The people have the power, but most live in fear and will not stand up to the tyranny!
For more good COVID/Vax info – https://anchoredinhope.com/
…so therefore BC/BS, for example, can institute a similar mandate if they so chose? Ridiculous. We pay a premium for Medicare, just like for private insurers; other federal taxes as well….but if our chosen hospital, provider, etc. is not gene-thereapied, payment for services will not be provided?
Yes, indeed, the supremes (l/c intended) did ‘split the baby’…….the OSHA ploy was a backdoor approach……the supremes recognized it as such and ruled accordingly. Health insurance (via Medicare) was a backdoor approach….and they ignored it…or, rather, came up with circuitous logic….a workaround…..to justify. Come to think of it, the chief justice specializes in the latter.
Disgusting.
So those who work in the healthcare industry are slaves owned by the government and must obey.
Am I reading this right?
When Kavanaugh cried…….a telling sign that his intellect might be compromised with his emotion.
For an ineffective vaccine with known harmful side effects including death, strokes heart attack, myocarditis, pericarditis, neurological events, loss of sight and hearing, dysmenorrhea and thromboembolic events.
The underlying message, if you want to be a cog in the new global order, take the nano tech or piss off.
My wife is a healthcare worker. Gonna retire soon and give the young, inexperienced, nurses the problem babies now.
Sooooo, who is effected here?
Not surprising the majority of the Court ruled for a dictatorship over the Constitutional rights of American citizens. Without the healthcare take over by government with Medicare and Medicaid this could not have happened. Of course a compromised court and illegal un-elected government is what is making it happen now.