Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber as he was being attacked by a raging mob. Rittenhouse also fired on Gaige Grosskreutz as the attacker held a handgun toward him. Prosecutors and U.S. corporate media attempted to claim that Rittenhouse was a vigilante looking for a fight; however, the defense, and all video of the events, show all shootings were justifiable self-defense.
*Update* Verdict about to be announced 1:00pm ET
RESULT: Not Guilty on All FIVE Counts !!
Stunningly, the jury is entering day #4 of deliberations. However, ground reports from last evening {Direct Rumble Link} highlighted a possibility the jury is split 6-6 in their deliberations [SEE VIDEO]. Yesterday, MSNBC was blocked from the courtroom after an NBC journalist was caught attempting to follow the jury bus the previous evening.
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Consider this an open discussion thread for any events or updates in the jury deliberations.
I pray for Divine Intervention. Lord, please set Kyle Free, Amen.
Lost faith in juries since OJ Simpson.
Prosecution dropped ball bigtime in that case. Furman lying on stand. Poorly prepared all the way around. We all knew OJ was guilty but, realistically, jury based decision on what was presented in court, not emotions. As much as we don’t like it they actually made the right decision.
So, a crappy job by the prosecution, including lying, led to a guilty man being freed in the ’90s.
And the irony here is that this prosecutor is lying to make an innocent man look guilty and…..nothing will happen but the life of an innocent man being ruined.
We now know (assuming Kyle is NOT found innocent) outcomes are predetermined by color & which side of political spectrum defendant/narrative is. Period.
As much as we don’t want to admit, true justice in America is gone
To paraphrase the lyrics of Rush Limbaugh’s theme music …
I went back to Kenosha
But my city was gone
There were no businesses
There was no downtown
59th and Sheridan had been looted and vandalized
All my favorite places
My city had been burned down
Reduced to BLM mobs in the streets
Yeah … not our streets, cities, or country. I weep for the nation of my birth
We ceased having a ‘Justice System’ long ago…it was about the time Crooked Judges and Bought and Paid For Lawyers turned Justice into a Legal Jungle!
One of the underlying beliefs enshrined in our justice system is that it is better the possibility that a guilty man be set free, than that an innocent man be punished. That is precisely why “guilty until proven innocent” is not the principle that guides our courts.
I mentioned that principle on fb when the Trayvon incident happened in FL; remember that? Black kid attacked by a “white Hispanic”? I found out who the lefties were of the hs classmates I had friended. They unfriended me after I mentioned that Zimmerman was “innocent until proven guilty”.
That trial was lost as soon as it was conducted in Los Angeles as opposed to Brentwood.
I still laugh when one of the jurors said in a post trial interview: ” We be deliberated in the back room.” I will leave that without comment.
Which side of the six do you think he/she was on?
Listing,
Good point.
Our courts are suffering societies fragmentation as the rule of law, is increasingly compromised by agendas that are not ruled by facts or truth.
Juries were a problem long before then.
There is an old movie called “12 Angry Men” with Henry Fonda that might be worth watching.
This will set a precedent of whether we are ‘legally’ obligated to be killed by the mob.
Yep. The right to defend yourself has been targeted by TPTB for a very long time. It goes hand-in-hand with our 2A Rights which has been slowly eroded with gun control laws. Then the McCloskeys getting arrested for absolutely defending their lives and property should have showed everyone what we are up against.
Basically a workaround to remove our 2A rights.
I read yesterday that the McCloskeys went to Kenosha…yesterday.
Yes, they were in front of the courthouse. Right Side Broadcasting Network interviewed them
The McCloskeys are radioactive. Not a good idea!
“Radioactive” how?
Say what?
pfffftt!
They also got steamrolled by the media and the govt. It took guts for them to show up in Kenosha. I say kudos to them!
More surprises when it doesn’t work out that way…
From what I’ve read, I can’t fathom the possibility of a 6/6 split but perhaps jury intimidation is more than just a remote possibility.
Sadly, it could take just one strong-headed WRONG-HEADED Karen jury leader and 5 weak jurors to create a 6/6 split.
HOPEFULLY… if there’s a hung jury, the judge will decide threats and intimidation played a part in not getting an acquittal and will dismiss with prejudice.
Bullseye!!
Thanks!
Great statement
How can there be an objective impartial fair jury with the existence of the violent angry threatening left and a violent unhinged far left media?
I think dismissing the whole damned thing would be the right decision. No acquittal, partys over folks, the violent mob and media destroyed the deliberative process. It’s over go home
Judge Schroeder can take a nice vacation to Costa Rica or Croatia and get out town go incognito in a civilized place for a few weeks
This is probably the greatest incidence of pure and naked jury intimidation so far in the history of the USA.
Then again, this century is full of horrid firsts.
Especially when you have a (imposter) President choosing to make judgements labeling Kyle Rittehouse as “white supremacist” along with this minion staff.
May God have his own judgement on these people.
Thanks!
As long as he is jabbed, but I digress. . . .
Amen!!!
Agreed. As far as I know, the jurors were chosen from the Kenosha community. They lived the violence from the rioters, and are reminded of it every day by the businesses still boarded up since last year. I absolutely believe that “someone filming the jury” earlier this week, the prosecutor aiming the weapon at the jury with his finger on the trigger, and the NBC guy following the jury yesterday are all intimidation tactics that are working.
Not to mention msm only giving the ‘facts’ as they want them to send the message that Kyle is guilty as sin and we should all turn in our guns. Just read thru some social media posts from those believing the msm drivel. They know none of the true facts of the case and just keep parroting the lies from the State and msm.
I am amazed at people within my own circle who STILL do not know the facts of the case! When I correct them about Kyle’s mom driving him over state lines, with an illegal gun, to shoot black people, I am met with pushback! People prefer to remain willfully ignorant if their preferred narrative supports their desired outcome. Their short-sightedness doesn’t allow for them to comprehend that Kyle’s situation could become their own.
I think they are not a small community; upwards of 100,000 in population.
So there is hope that there is someone(s) on the jury with a brain and a sense
of justice.
I don’t think it is only intimidation; it is lack of critical thinking skills. And, they just want to get the heck
out of there and have it be over; putting their needs ahead of justice.
This is all part of a larger civil war and we can all see it clearly. The verdict matters but it is the process of going after Kyle, that really matters. We’re next.
The “Justice” System, FBI and so forth are just the Democrats Gestapo/Stasi and they love what they are doing to us.
It stops when we are forceful and rebel totally against them.
Yes. There is one side who still believes in the system and there is one side who actually uses the system to do their bidding. An armed white man taking action – even to defend himself from obvious peril, is just too powerful an image for the leftists let imprint onto the public consciousness.
The fact that the jurors are terrified of the communist-media jackboot apparatus but not the millions of patriots who still believe in the illusion of rule-of-law should also tell us where the real power resides in this rapidly decaying anarcho-tyranny. The entirety of the State system and propaganda is not on our side. Prepare accordingly.
I’m going to take exception to the characterization that the armed white man defending himself is striking fear into the PTB. There is a recent incident in murderapolis where an armed black man (Christopher Kilburn) tracked down the thief who had burglarized his business and stolen a company vehicle. That black man was charged for taking action.
This struggle just is not about race other than when the rulers inject race into the equation to sow dissent. This is about control and power, the rulers want it and we are supposed to grant it.
edit: that noted, the rest of your points are correct.
Exactly. We are are in a “soft” civil war currently and it has been going on for years now. We are losing battle after battle but there are signs of hope. A not guilty verdict on all charges would be a glimmer of that hope.
https://conservativeplaybook.com/2021/11/18/wake-up-america-we-are-at-war/
A conviction is a bright red line, located near the Rubicon.
Very informative link,
Thank you.
And there you go…NOT GUILTY on ALL counts….there is the glimmer of hope
I wouldn’t call it rebel against them because there is no legitimacy.
More like when we fully assert our natural and Constitutional rights against their lawlessness whether their crimes are done under color of law or not.
Brilliant ! Have A Controversial Verdict Released Just Before The Weekend To inflict As Much Property Damage As Possible!
Frankly, I am confounded by that exact point! Why on God’s green earth, reach a verdict right before the weekend????? I think that if there is any sanity remaining, no decision is reached today. If there is NO sanity, RIOTS IN KENOSHA!!!!
Kenosha deserves whatever happens…it is THEY who elected these Commies and it is THEY who allowed the RIOTS to happen and burn down the town…
Mick, Who is THEY?
Shirley, you jest.
How about laying blame at the feet of the actual rioters? Grandma didn’t start a fire. Grandma didn’t organize Antifa or BLM and bring them into town. Grandma didn’t cause Jacob Blake to resist arrest. Grandma didn’t tell the police to stand down.
Let’s not lose all sense of perspective and scale.
The people of Kenosha did nothing to deserve this. Their incompetent leadership, ESPECIALLY their governor who refused President Trump’s offer to help secure the town are the ones to blame. Condemning innocent people who saw their community destroyed is not helpful.
Civics would say otherwise — who voted for this “leadership”?
The people of Kenosha and Wisconsin.
And if you say Dominion did, then what are the people of Kenosha and Wisconsin doing about that?
Demanding the results of Nov 3, 2020 be de-certified?
Nobody is going to save us — we are on our own, and if we do not organize and act together to protect and defend our God-given rights, Evil will win.
Kenosha, Wisconsin and America will not get better if good citizens — aka innocent people — do nothing.
This is not hard, or said differently:
“Act, and God will act.”
— St. Joan of Arc
There are patriots working overtime to expose the corruption of our voting process, including in Wisconsin. It isn’t just “Dominion”. There are several layers of corrupt actors throwing up roadblocks to keep crooked elections in place. The people of Kenosha may or may not have voted for this leadership, but certainly not all of them, including those that lost businesses.
As Sundance has explained it’s the process that’s the punishment. If they can get a conviction with jail time that’s icing on the corrupted cake! With the police being defunded or underfunded who’s willing to do what Kyle did to defend your city or property after this pernicious prosecution? Which is the point, they want to be able to riot, burn, loot without our interference!
The goal of communist/fascist tactics ala BLM and Antifa is for us to be afraid; that is why government is not prosecuting “them”, but arresting and sentencing people who the Capital Police led inside the capitol building 2-4 year sentences.
a hung jury would be the judge’s opportunity to rule to dismiss with prejudice and put this prosecutor injustice to rest once and for all. i pray those involved, starting with the judge, have the courage of a moral soldier, many who have given their lives for our freedoms, to end this.
And then … the stealth Leftist Jurors can become “internet celebrities” as they claim “victory” for hanging the Jury.
“Yeah … we stopped those crazed, extremist, Right wingers on the Jury who wanted to let that murderer Rittenhouse go free”
We live in the era of “Jury Nullification”. Why? I blame our public schools for failing to teach basic Law or anything about the US Constitution
I have been watching the trial. I do not think anyone knows the mind of the jurors. Newsmax may be ahead of themselves. The jurors are a bunch of libs in a lib area. Anyone who thought this would be a slam dunk still lives in lala land. There is at least one pretty “righteous” hater in the group. And they are sequestered so they are receiving all sorts of unfiltered info.
Jurors are not sequested.
If you have been watching the trial you would know the jury has not been sequestered.
6/6 split ?!!!. Unf**kingbelievable. Bizarro world. Down is up, up is down. Don’t believe your eyes. This whole thing stinks.
I think Andrew Branca said he heard there was one holdout for acquittal, and that was juror #54 the foreperson.
I read that yesterday too.
Have also heard speculation that the foreman favors conviction. No way to know.
Branca describes the woman as an AWFL- affluent white female liberal. We all know people of this ilk. Truly awful!
I also read that…I also read she is so arrogant she will likely violate law while using ‘outside of trial’ information to attempt to sway the other jurors…THEN the Judge can remove the Karen and put in an Alternate juror…….
He stated pretty clearly that this is his own personal speculation, no basis other than his own experience and hunches.
These people are also “voters”.
I’m sure they vote for whoever the msm promotes as well. Similar to how they are likely being intimidated/swayed by the threat of violence that is standing on the courthouse steps.
Maybe their plan is a hung jury, the it’s on the judge. ?
Just like how it’s not about the virus, it’s about the vaxx; it’s not gonna be about the verdict, it’s gonna be about the reaction.
Praying that the foreperson (Karen) has a change of heart and stops virtue signaling
by trying to railroad Kyle. I guess she hopes to be a hero and save her city while
The rest of the jurors know the truth and would like to simply go home and get on with their lives.
If the mob will let them that is. Justice in America is on life support.
Can some of you all who believe in prayer pray for US to have the courage to stand for Kyle, should the need arise?
Its fascinating to me that the prayers are always about someone else, somewhere else, outside our circle of control, having the courage to do the job that we, ultimately, all know we will have to do to save the republic.
Agree totally. Before rising in the morning we pray for a hedge of protection around our
family, neighborhood and nation. And for the courage and wisdom of those who will soon
guide us out of this wilderness. We also pray that the enemies crops will fail.
IMHO. There will be riots no matter the verdict…it will be a “mostly peaceful protest,” or a “mostly peaceful celebration.”
They keep trying to make this trial about race. White racist.blah blah blah. the great lie continues
Clay, Certainly about “race,” also 2nd amendment, also our “justice”system, also social inequities, (those poor victims getting shot and killed! /sarc,) also law enforcement…Unfathomable that a 17 year old IS us. And the verdict of the jury will be about him AND us. Quite a lot to place on the shoulders of one so young. I hope he knows how many people are supporting him as he bears that weight…
The trial IS about race. They hate European or white people and want to condition us like whipped dogs not to defend ourselves from the terrorist violence of their communist paramilitaries.
They can F around and find out.
But with only small fires.
LOL!
No, justice is dead in America as long as Biden is in the White House. We need a new president with the strength to FIRE every damn Justice Department employee and tell them ALL they may reapply for their job but there will be great scrutiny applied to every application.
It would be better for the judge to declare a mistrial with prejudice than allow the jurors to be doxxed by the NBC stalker.
Prosecutorial misconduct…Mistrial..with prejudice
Do the mistrial wp at 4 pm and tell the citizens of Kenoso to button up or load up for the weekend.
It’s the best possible outcome right now.
“Source” yes, let’s all trust the source. /s
Anybody get Defence Attorney Richards on record?
An innocent teenage boy just starting is life and was helping his community at that. How can people be that cruel?
Right. However, we live in a turbulent time with rampant mental illness and evil.
Again. The tentacles of Big Pharma casts many shadows. Are there questions about pernicious avoidance of conflict, group think, identity disorders and the side effects of anti-depressants and other medications?
Is anyone being paid to look? Waddya think?
Why is the trustee culture which modern society must competently manifest such a shambles? How can such lawlessness and serial wrongdoing become so institutionally comfortable and normalized?
It certainly appears drugs may be involved. The bigger question is the pernicious impact of prescribed drugs in individuals with trustee and executive authority over the lives of others.
The question runs to the very heart of why prosecutors could behave as they have.
The Salem Witch Trials were full of cruelty. This type of cruelty has happened regularly though out history. The Founding principles of America were devised to protect the individual from the mob. As our institutions and elected representatives continue to abandon protection of Individual Liberty as outlined in the Bill of Rights, this cruelty will continue.
The Salem Witch trials were because of Ergot poisoning.
No, not so!
So many people have lost their humanity. Just read some of the comments on other blogs. It is absolutely heartbreaking. People are even attacking Kyle’s mother. I have been praying so hard lately, and hope this nightmare for Kyle ends today.
Ergot fungus in rye grains.
These are the times we live in! No more morality… me, me, me!
I don’t believe any of the speculation. I do believe my own eyes and ears. The kid is not guilty.
Not just ‘not guilty’; but, INNOCENT of all charges!
Split 6/6? Did they watch the same video?
UPDATE: According to attorney Andrew Branca, the Rittenhouse jury is being held up by a single rogue juror — number 54 — the female foreperson. Supposedly she is a boomer ‘Karen’ type who has been talking down to the judge in her communications with him. Yesterday she asked to bring materials home with her over the lukewarm objections of the defense. Branca characterizes juror #54 as bossy, entitled, and status-sensitive, whose peer group would never let her vote for acquittal no matter what the evidence showed. And her peer group would necessarily know how she voted in the case of acquittal. Branca suspects Juror #54 is the lone holdout for guilt, and will likely be the cause of a hung jury and mistrial. Blame the defense for their piss poor job as jury selection, their refusal of free outside expert jury selection help from Robert Barnes, and their failure to object to continued prosecutorial misconduct.
Source: YouTube, Attorney Andrew Branca, Law of Self Defense channel, Rogue Juror #54 is holding back acquittal
That’s a definite maybe, but Barnes is right about the crappy jury selection.
Rekieta law on you tube has the best coverage
Really excellent discussion yesterday afternoon reviewing the differences in state laws around self defense. Reviewed the castle doctrine, duty to retreat, red flag laws, what the assertion of self defense looks like to people in the system (usually bs) so they have a hard time recognizing when it’s valid, and so on.
Sometimes the internet can be an amazing educational tool. That discussion was fantastic.
The status issue with #54 may be that some in her social circle know she’s on the jury. It would be social death to vote to acquit a gun-carrying “deplorable.” I can guess who she voted for in 2016.
Good point made by attorney Branca.
This is wrong. I’m sorry, but it simply flat-out wrong for us to try and doxx a juror. Saying “Juror #54” is begging somebody to doxx the juror. Then she’s called a “Boomer Karen” so no bias there, and again begging people to doxx her. These kinds of rumors are deadly and dangerous. The takeaway from all of this is that our legal system is trashed.
We have “conservatives” chasing media clickbait and doing the same exact thing to the jury that we are angry about those terrorists on the courthouse steps doing.
If it turns out that one of the jurors is a problem, you can expect that juror to fear for their life afterward. Maybe that’s what the juror wants, and we’ll know immediately if there are media appearances. In the meantime, it’s obvious the jury is not in agreement. The longer they say in disagreement, the more they will lock in their opinions and the jury will deadlock. Then it’s up to the judge.
Hokkoda, Let me start by saying, you are infinitely correct! These are the observations of a moral, fair and based person. Also your observation that “our legal system is trashed” is also true. BUT, Winning becomes the goal (by any means…) and not Justice. Thus, the conundrum: Do “conservatives”play by the rules,” knowing that the “other side” is not. Do we take the moral high ground or do we slop around in the mud with them? Taking a higher level view, (as we learned as kids, “Winners never cheat and cheaters never win,” and we all know from life experience that sometimes cheaters win and winners cheat.). Your post was powerful, in that you reminded us that “This is wrong…”. Thank you!
Hokie, we do NOT have a Justice System, we have a ‘Legal System’ that is routinely abused by the Commies infesting our Great Country. IT is OBVIOUS!
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something is not right in that jury room-
it was an open and shut case with even Grosskreutz testifying that he had chased & aimed a gun at Rittenhouse, along with video backing it up.
What questions could there be for the jury.
Easy- the questions the have are:
So, please either become a hung jury or find him guilty. Next.
If you fear men more than you fear God, this is of course the answer.
I don’t have any problem with their takng their time with deliberations. It is their #1 job and solemn duty to get this right. Cross all the t’s and dot all the i’s. If they don’t, this was all for naught.
Be patient my little butterflies. Good things come to those who wait.
This is not an episode of Law & Order.
Well, perhaps I am a genius (along with many others); I would have determined Kyle
was innocent prior to deliberations. This is not rocket science my friends.
I expected them to “Derek Chauvin” the kid. So if it’s a hung jury, in 50-50 America, in a Liberal city where the Mayor has said they’re still rebuilding from last year’s riots (and nobody seems to care), I’ll take it. The judge seems predisposed to boot it, but wants to give the jury a chance.
The ensuing riots will remind America that terrorism is perfectly OK. Sure, the Left will blame “racism” or whatever, but the half of America that is not insane will continue to move away from trusting an illegitimate system and start getting serious about what comes next.
Learn to defend your streets yourselves, or learn to burn Mayor …
Antifa and BLM will only be emboldened like any organized crime.
I used to think, “Don’t they realize what violent anarchists like this are trying to do?”
Then I evolved to “Yes, but they’re afraid.”
Then I grew up and realized, “No, they’re behind it.”
AT our Firing Range, we use Human silhouette’s for target practice…for some reason lots of them have ANTIFA tags at top…
Ya Mick I used to think that was doing something as well.
It only makes you feel good for a while.
In reality the BLM, Antifa, commies know that you are first, a law abiding person and second, you would never cross that line.
They not only know that, they count on it. How many rank and file KENOSHA CITIZENS are out in front of the courthouse beating the crap out of BLMANTIFA before they burn their city a SECOND time?
If you think it will be different in your town, you have not been paying attention.
Americans are too comfortable to do anything to upset that comfort. Hide and pretend that they wont burn my house if I just don’t say or do anything to upset them.
High Plains Drifter was not a movie as much as it was a social commentary.
Which half is that? I see very few willing to expose themselves to the deep state criminal cabal – the same cabal that is allowing this farce of a trial go on.
I think people on our side have good reason to be afraid. This is a Government that will literally fabricate evidence, falsify 302’s, invent “domestic terrorism” charges, confiscate your bank accounts, raid your home based on phony warrants that use contrived “evidence”.
I’ve said for awhile now that individual effort is too easy to take down. It will take 100,000,000 on strike to cripple the illegitimate regime. Not on the streets, that’s too easy to coopt and infiltrate with posers. We have got to have a campaign where people stay home en masse on levels the Left hasn’t dreamed of in their worst nightmares…shut down commerce…cancel credit cards…refuse to buy anything nonessential…refuse to go to work…and it would probably take at least a month to collapse it.
But individuals can be destroyed way too easily in our interconnected interwoven financial system, and the legal system is so incredibly corrupt that we had to sit through all this with Rittenhouse over a case that never should have been brought in the first place. The kid shoulda been handed a medal for killing two terrorists and wounding a third.
We are praying for Kyle, his family, the judge and the citizens of Kenosha.
The same dynamic is in play with the Rittenhouse decision as was in play after the Nov. 3rd election theft: failure to do the right thing out of fear of consequences. If the jury is currently split 6-6, DO NOT bet on an “innocent” verdict. This is a world full of sheep led by a handful of vicious wolves.
for the life of me I cannot see how any juror that has seen all the evidence could find Kyle guilty…
Because ‘progressive’ leftists operate on emotion driven (false) narratives and reject logic, history, common sense and integrity. . . . this applies to everything they do, just looks at their agenda.
They have been radicalized beyond reason and agitated beyond their intelligence.
As Rush used to say about these people: “When they’re out of power, they’re hilarious, but give them any authority whatsoever and they’re dangerous”
You are living in lala land if you cannot see how.
If they are that far gone, I’ll laugh when they burn and nobody shows up to put the fires out. Nevermind “burn in hell” when they already have antifa and BLM to finish the job.
Most people don’t grasp the significance of this verdict. Our ability to defend ourselves against their street operatives is what they want to eliminate. I would prefer to have the right to eliminate those who would kick my head in.
I’ve suspected this has been about our second amendment all along.
Yes, and it’s also about maintaining the fiction that anyone smeared with “white nationalist” is guilty of whatever they’re accused of.
Isn’t that interesting. Yet a “Black nationalist” member of NFAC can threaten the parents at a Texas school board meeting over taking CRT out of the curriculum by declaring that he has 1,000 armed “soldiers” and will bring them to the next school board meeting to ostensibly terrorize the parents into silence and nothing is said.
This. This right here. And, your neighbors, my neighbors, my relatives, your relatives, and many more think there is nothing wrong with the glaring contradiction. They are the useful idiots and they make themselves more idiotic and useful each and every day.
So true Dwayne.
WE must not make any trouble when these violent people make threats.
WE are the problem and must scuttle back down into our holes and “follow the laws of the land” while the brutal violent BLM like thugs push us and our families around forever until everything we hold dear to our heats is gone for ever.
For some reason we must tie our hands behind our backs and allow them to destroy our country with out even being allowed to fight back.
This makes no sense what so ever.
I look at it this way, if our constitutional right to defend ourselves is eliminated then those of us who have to defend ourselves will have nothing to lose, we’ll be prosecuted to the fullest anyhow, so might as well make a very loud statement when defending yourself. No quarter at all for the commies.
Yes, it’s what I would say to my sons as they traversed their teenage years, especially the 13-16 time frame when we would be arguing because I said, “No, you can’t have that or do that, or go there, or hang with them” and they would respond with “I’m calling the cops!!!” all because we are yelling…
I always followed with (I grew up in section 8- I’ve been abused and seen abuse and know what happens went the cops are called)- “Go ahead. Call them. Here’s the phone. We are only yelling. I will go to jail regardless so, contemplate this- I will make sure my night in jail is worth the time I will spend there. I will also make sure that my actions in the 5-10 minutes it takes them to get here match the time I will spend in jail. You are not hurting now….make the call; I will start the clock. Here’s the phone.” Then I’d stare at them….
They always shut up and went to their rooms.
The couple of times I, or the twins, tried this, my mom said, “Here’s the phone, would you like for me to dial the number?” Total shock and silence on our end.
Totally agreed. And although its retrospect now, this is why there should have been an army of patriots in front of him rather than leaving him out to dry.
Our unwillingness to defend our rights is on us, however, not the courts. Imagine how the destruction of the republic might have been quelled if there were a few hundred Kyle incidents.
So true More Bore, there should have been Patriots in front of Kyle, behind him and beside him.
If that had been the reality he would not be on trial.
The BLM creatures would have been running for their cowardly lives instead of strutting their stuff in front of the court house and threatening to burn down Kenosha and forcing the governor to call out the National Guard to protect the innocent citizens.
We need to stop these cowardly thugs from holding all of us hostage pretty soon, our government seems to be incapable of doing so and this pitiful trial of a teenage boy just trying to protect himself should never have happened.
This is absolute proof that We the People need to get out and about.
I am suspicious about knowing where the jury stands unless someone leaked it and this mess should never had gotten to a trial. We all saw the chaos that happened day after day and night after night destroying so much and the failure of so many that could have acted to stop/control the rioters but didn’t. One young kid who sought to stay alive is the only one to blame.
The only people who know what is going on are the jurors. The jury bailiff sits outside the jury room. The jury bailiff takes their notes to the judge, takes their orders for meals, and arranges transportation with the sheriff. The bailiff may hear voices through the wall, but cannot reveal what is said. If someone is leaking, it would be these people or the sheriff’s staff who provide the transportation.
Juror #54 does sound like a problem juror, but people like that can annoy the others in the group so much that many in the group oppose her simply because of the annoyance, so her “Let’s me reasonable [do it my way]” attitude backfires.
I’ll take a hung jury at this point. I think a mistrial with prejudice is in order. Without prejudice would require the DA to decide if he wanted to do this over with the same terrible witnesses, Zelinski and Freedman on the stand, and a clearer drone video. No second prosecution would deprive Kyle of the public declaration of “not guilty” that he deserves, but at least he would be a free man.
The Left will keep trying to convict Rittenhouse for as long as it takes. They are still trying to impeach Trump, and terrorize his supporters, for example. They will retry him as many times as it takes. If acquitted, the riots will be used to justify the DOJ prosecuting Rittenhouse on Federal charges. These are without question the most hateful, vicious, evil people the world has ever known.
The judge likely realizes this. Whether he is a patriot or bluster remains to be seen.
The Judge is a Democrat. Democrats used to be patriots too. But how many still are?
There is no such thing as “Democrats” and “Republicans” anymore. That’s the point I’ve been making for years. The GOP is every bit as fraudulent as the Democrat Party is. The judge might have his voter registration set up as Democrat or he was appointed by Democrats, but his heart seems to be MAGA, and MAGA is neither Democrat nor Republican.
The two parties are fighting a massive, nationwide, realignment that threatens the post-Civil War political order. Describe it how you like,
MAGA vs. Globalist
Freedom vs. Control Freaks
Liberty vs. State Control
I used to describe it as a pro-American party that thinks free people live in a nation of laws governed by a Constitution that limits Government power vs. a Globalist party that views the territory currently known as “USA” as simply a borderless economic zone run by a corporate/technocratic consortium headquartered in Brussels.
It’s why we should be spending our time launching a MAGA party to replace the GOP and pick up disaffected former Democrats who don’t hate their country and see what the Wokecommunists have in mind for us.
It’s a completely different case on retrial. No charge of illegally carrying a gun (charge was brought in bad faith). The acknowledgement from the get go that Kyle was legally armed changes the whole framing.
New, much better defense team. Better defense evidence – call jump kick man, call Zeminski, make them plead the 5th. Introduce the video evidence that the prosecution had but did not turn over of the Khindri Brothers at Car Source with Kyle and Nick, show how they perjured themselves on the stand but the state actually suborned that perjury. Introduce the high res video that proves Kyle didn’t raise his gun at Zeminski.
The state has played dirty trick after dirty trick. No way to do that twice.
No, my point is that when the State of WI fails, the US Department of Injustice often steps in to try the person again on Federal “civil rights” charges. My point is that this is not over for Kyle. I bet the WH and DOJ have already had meetings about how they’re going to arrest and charge him with a new crime. It’ll just be polling that drives it and whether they think they can get away with it.
Lord help,
If we use a firearm to defend ourself legitimately we still go to jail.
And when this over who in the world is ever gonna wanna be a juror
Yes, while those previous convicted felons and attackers of Kyle, who were carrying firearms either are dead because of going after Kyle or they are not charged for breaking the laws they broke.
Also, why are the many people caught on video and identified have yet to be charged with carrying a firearm while carrying out arson, burglary, assault, grand larceny, and many other crimes that night?
Maybe Kyle should of just said he was peacefully protesting when these guys got in the way of his peaceful bullets trying to peacefully protect Kyle while he was peacefully protesting. Seems to me that’s all that is needed- I only have two years of news coverage to go off of but that seems to be the key.
Dear Fortified, Who ever “wants” to be a juror? It was taught (back in my day) as a civic duty, a privilege. Now it is, at the very least, an inconvenience…and at most, being used as a pawn in a corrupt system and facing threats, or harm, or worse to you and your family.
People defending themselves with their 2A rights have been under fire for quite a while now.
The McCloskeys and Kyle Rittenhouse are the most notable recent attacks, but there have been many.
The point is already made: a clear cut case of self defense against antifa/blm will result in scared or virtue signaling jurors, and therefore there is a real possibility of being labeled a felon and imprisoned. Couple that with the way the January 6th political prisoners are being treated, and we also lose the protection of cruel and unusual punishments in addition to the right to self-defense.
as long as we keep assuming that it occurs one at a time, leaving each other out to dry, you are correct.
Had there been hundreds or thousands standing with him, his name would likely never even be known.
More Bore, we need to remember what Pres Trump has said that there are more of us than there are of them.
There really are and perhaps we should start acting like it.
George Soros started a “DA Plan” years ago. Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Los Angeles are three obvious examples.
People are waking up to how important local elections are with the school board revelations. Prosecutors and zoning boards are important, too.
After the 2000 recount, Soros also started a “Secretary of State” plan that resulted in a Soros Minnesota SoS when the Franken/Coleman recount was done.
This is definitely an area where we’re countering, but our guys need to anticipate (or follow S money and act in the same cycle)
Is Soros the “bogeyman?” Supreme manipulator of the universe? The jury is out. BUT if not, who cares, and he sure gets a lot of press. If so, what the Hell is he still doing living in the U.S.?
Soros got St. Louis too.
Now all the lefty city residents bemoan the obvious and terrible rise in crime, and the attendant loss of a civilized lifestyle … but argue to the death that it is not the fault of the racist and patently partisan DA.
Until a majority of citizens realize that whatever life plans they had for themselves and their family’s, ARE OVER, nothing changes. Welcome to the new and improved World War. We have all been treading water in a Sea of Lies since 2007. When things go sideways, and they will, remember that these ratbastards will come after everyone who opposes them. Freedom ain’t free, and we’re all about to get a block of instruction on that followed up by some wall to wall counseling. Prepare.
Agree Vigilant Veteran. There are many of us who see this reality already. Its refreshing to actual see things how they are and be truly awake. Not that it is pleasant at all. At least we can see the pain train coming and have prepared accordingly. It’ll be up to us to hold the line until the majority wakes up.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in the six-six split unless the defense has an insider, which would be illegal…I’ve read other stories where there’s a lone hold-out…It’s a shame they can’t get to view the prosecutions drone-video version of events…But yeah, deliberation in this case should have been over as soon as they went into the jury deliberation room and took a first vote to see where they stand.
A few points to consider….
NewsMax has already shown themselves to be part of the Narrative Machine.
You cannot trust the news. Worse yet, there is no point in speculating or predicting what is going to happen in 1 to 3 days.
Just wait a little while and actual events can be known.
We have spent the past 5 years learning how little value there is in speculation and prediction.
All sorts of rumors about jury fear, 2 holding out, a 6-6 tie etc.
I continue to expect a hung jury.
Then the presiding judge will need to rule on the mistrial with prejudice motion.
What an absolute dystopian dysfuntional mess.
When ordinary, taxpaying, law abiding Americans have had enough, the BLM Antifa types are going to be in for a rude awakening. People are less and less patient with these intentionally pathological behaviors.
Many who join in with Antifa riots will stop when they realize there will be push back. They are mindless of the seriousness of their own violence, but if violence strikes them they will really wake up. Like the guy who is lucky he only lost his arm and not his life when he pointed a gun at Kyle. Not a game.
Great group lawyer discussions at REKIETA LAW on YT about every topic in this trial. Happens every day of trial and very informative.
The question isn’t what the jurists will do or what the mobs will do….
The question is what will We The People Do ?
Excellent point Katah.
We do still have a choice and the ability to make a difference if we act.
There are millions and millions and millions of us.
EXACTLY.
Rekeita Law feed just published. Have really enjoyed listening here.
Trials of this nature need to be moved as far away as possible from the city where the ‘crimes’ took place so jurors don’t have to be worried about rioters destroying their city.
If anyone isn’t sick of jury watching this weekend, try to find the 1957 B&W movie, “Twelve Angry Men.” Has a lot of great American character actors in it.
A young Hispanic man is on trial in New York City for killing his father. Most of the jury is convinced of guilt, in part because of a pushy foreman, but one man isn’t. He starts explaining his doubts, and despite the foremen, other jurors (some of whom do get angry), they start to pick apart the case as far as timeline and motive go.
I’ve never warmed to that movie… watched it as a kid with my father, a European immigrant grade school education, and he laughed at the scene where Fonda reenacts the old man’s walk through the apartment to prove he couldn’t get to the door in time to make the identification.
“How does he know he was walking like that?”
“Because he was limping in the court room”
“He could have tripped on the steps going inside”
Try the Oxbow Incident as well, if you really want to see how a mob can convict and lynch in a minute without listening to calmer heads.
That was a great movie and shows that our judicial system has had problems for a very long time.
If not for the one man holding out ( played by Henry Fonda) the kid would have been toast.
A very good film.
Another question: WHY has this jury not been sequestered???
Incompetent or intentional in a high profile case of this nature ?
https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/blog/kyle-rittenhouse–both-right-and-righteous/. Good article. I’m sick of seeing people on the right criticize Kyle for being there. Something about the GOP establishment draws weak, effeminate men. They so desperately want the left’s approval that they are always conceding points to it, even when the left is dead wrong. If law enforcement had done its job, Kyle and people like him wouldn’t have had to be there. He showed more bravery and character than any of the clowns on the right criticizing him ever have.
Those same people will not stand up for the January 6th prisoners nor against the description of January 6th as an “insurrection.”
For that to be true, you either have low iq jurors who are falling prey to a strong force in there, OR a jury afraid to acquit as jurors in NYC were afraid at all but the last mobster John Gotti trial, or you have a jury that has been, in essence, filled by infiltrators who got there by jury selection manipulation.
After the theft of a Presidential election, I am not ruling out the latter. I kept wondering why ANY prosecutor like Binder would be as rude and insensitive and just plain unlikeable unless he was either throwing the case OR he knew he could do anything and still get what he was after.
Seems to me the results of the trial comes down to a game of chicken between the jurors and the judge.
6 v. 6 defines reasonable doubt.
All one need to do is walk in and tell the court you researched the case on the internet the night before.
Because someone spiked your drink or some other excuse.
Gone.
We are FREE AMERICANS…we don’t need to ask permission ro defend our persons, our families and friends, and our property. When under attack by the cretins…send ’em all to meet their diabolical master; kill ’em and keep firing until you are out of ammo; and then beat the bastards with your weapon! LETS GO BRANDON!
if we did more than just SAY it online anonymously, our rights would never have been in peril.
“Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny, or private self-defense.” John Adams.
Luke 22:35-37 “Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one! For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels. Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true.”
Luke 22:38-39 “Look, Lord,” they replied, “we have two swords among us.” “That’s enough,” he said. Then, accompanied by the disciples, Jesus left the upstairs room and went as usual to the Mount of Olives.”
Psalm 82:4 “Rescue weak and needy people. Help them escape the power of wicked people.”
As for the FBI planted operatives, do not respond to false flags : Pray together –
Trust in the Lord and not your weapon.
Psalm 44:5-7 “Only by your power can we push back our enemies; only in your name can we trample our foes. I do not trust in my bow; I do not count on my sword to save me. You are the one who gives us victory over our enemies; you disgrace those who hate us.”
1 Samuel 17:47 “And everyone assembled here will know that the LORD rescues his people, but not with sword and spear. This is the LORD’s battle, and he will give you to us!”
I understand that some jurors may be scared of blowback, but I think the real problem is worse. Society itself is broken. Too many people are willing to judge someone based on feelings, political motivations, anti-gun sentiment, etc instead of actual law. As a result, the jury system, which is a reflection of society, just doesn’t work. And its a gamble when is comes to having an honest law-abiding judge. Our whole justice system is crap.
Even the SC renders decisions based on “intent”. WTF, the law has nothing to do with intent. So sick of these cowards. I wonder if that lead juror is a plant..would not be surprised.
If one juror is holding out to convict, the jury might be hung. But there is speculation that it is juror#54 and she requested permission to take home the instructions. If she reads anything on the internet or does other research, and is caught, she can be replaced with another juror.
https://defiantamerica.com/images-suspect-a-rogue-juror-54-foreperson-is-holding-back-acquittal-here-are-her-leaked-notes-from-the-trial/
That was the juror’s request to the judge. It is a public document, and not leaked. Any juror can request to see evidence again, and the judge rules on the request in public.
I have never heard of a juror taking evidence documents home before.
Yes, I just meant that if the juror is researching further, it could be a problem.
I’ll give the left this.. They sure know how to hypnotize most of you. Love the responses telling me ‘How it’s supposed to work’. Meanwhile I’ve got decades of examples that show your faith in these institutions is actually placed in the hands of communists.
The only thing your institutions still retain is the name and your unfounded belief that the judicial, executive, and legislative still work for you.
This theatre is nothing more then demoralization 101 in action.
Yep, sieging and demoralizing the enemy.
yup. furthermore, whatever the “verdict” is, if our response is to complain about it and then move on to the next theater – it is the very definition of consent. We legitimize this government by accepting its rulings over us.
They have to conclude early today to start the riots for the entire weekend. Otherwise they have to go all next week to catch the weekend again.
Next week is a holiday week I can;t imagine they want to be
doing this thru Thanksgiving.. People have travel plans and
getting ready for dinner…I would think this ends today sometime
unless they go tomorrow…
MASSIVE Prosecutorial Misconduct, defense hubris and judicial incompetence, two hour review by attorneys Robert Barnes and Viva Frei (pseudonym). This is MUST SEE to understand our current, defective legal system.
https://bitchute.com/video/gi8azc56v0M/
On a positive note, Kamala is POTUS this morning while Joe is undergoing a brain scan (colonoscopy) at Walter Reed. ?
Could this be a John Murtha moment in the making?