Random and related stuff that might help make sense of the next few days, weeks and months as the Taliban retake control of Afghanistan.
(1) The Muslim Brotherhood. Already reports from Qatar that MB leadership is heading back into Afghanistan. This is predictable. The Muslim Brotherhood is the political umbrella for authentic Islam (ie. extremists). The Brotherhood supports the al-Qaeda regional affiliates including the Taliban, al-Nusra, and others. Qatar is the financial center of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Brotherhood is political Islam.
(2) China. Most people don’t realize that China shares a common border with Afghanistan and has issues with Islamic extremists and sympathizers. China has benefited from the U.S. in Afghanistan keeping the Taliban in check. A U.S. retreat now means China needs to engage with the Taliban to bolster their national security interests. China will establish diplomatic ties with the Taliban partly because Beijing uses duplicitous diplomacy as a strategy. [It ain’t because China likes the Taliban]
(3) Turkey. Unfortunately for Europe, Turkey is both a NATO member (stupid decision) and aligned in common cause with the Muslim Brotherhood. Turkish President Recep Erdogan has previously given safe harbor to the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood upon their exit from Qatar, when the Gulf Cooperation Council (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Bahrain) demanded Qatar stop supporting terrorists (the Brotherhood).
The EU will not want to recognize the Taliban, but Turkey most certainly will… regardless of what the EU wants, because Erdogan is aligned with extremist Islam. Europe is weak and always ends up acquiescing to the threats of Turkey; so don’t look for much other than pearl clutching from NATO members about it.
(4) Europe. As noted above, the EU doesn’t support Islamic extremism; however, the EU is now infiltrated with Islamic extremism, and the EU is too worried about cultural sensitivities to do anything about it. They will likely try another round of multiculturalism advocacy, which will likely end just like the last time with fracture and cultural crisis because the Islamic extremists attack, murder and rape too many EU people. It will be a mess again.
(5) Pakistan. The Pakistani government is already aligned in common purpose with the Taliban, and have been supporting them under the table the entire time the U.S. was in Afghanistan (See UBL compound etc). China has invested heavily in Pakistan and created reasonably strong ties. China needs the assistance of Pakistan to help leverage their need for regional national security from the Taliban in Afghanistan.
(6) Russia. Oddly Russia and the EU have the same outlook toward the Taliban in Afghanistan. However, where the EU is twisted in pretzel knots of political correctness, Russia is not. Look for Russian President Vladimir Putin to exploit his own interests in the EU via strength and a closer relationship. How? Because Russia can keep the Taliban and Turkey in check if the NATO members are blackmailed by Afghanistan and Erdogan.
*Note – NATO was formed to keep Russia in check…. and now we will likely watch Russia helping NATO keep their step-child, Turkey, in check. How’s that for some geopolitical irony?
Summary: Qatar (Muslim Brotherhood) will help the Taliban (al-Qaeda). China will form tenuous and conniving ties with the Taliban, likely relying on economics. Turkey will support the Taliban and look for help, eventually, to assist Erdogan re-attain the Ottoman Empire he lusts. The EU is stuck between Russia and a hard place (Turkey), and will likely end up on team Putin.
Joe Biden will eat jello…. and the leftists in the U.S. State Department will run to their proverbial Alamo, The United Nations.
Wait for it…
I thought that was his signal for more vanilla ice cream.
Two Scoops
And a cup of Coveffe ?
In that you can’t see his fraudulency’s upper torso or head, it likely means “Help, I’ve fallen and I can’t get up”.
“The prayer of a righteous man availeth much”
It’s the righteousness that is essential in that prayer.
We are only important in Gods eyes as his children.
Psalms 1 “……the ungodly shall be as chaff that the wind driveth away……….the lord knows the way of the righteous, but the ungodly shall perish.”
I have found when you can pray for another with nothing holding back the complete blessing God offers, you have touched on righteousness. It is a benchmark or measure of your righteousness.
Can you see why the enemy must have you “hate” your neighbor? It renders you ineffective or powerless.
Those people in Afghanistan will be slaughtered if no intervention comes. Our prayers for them are our prayer for our well being. Hmmmm imagine that!
Jimmy Carter II!
No it’s Osama’s Arab spring 2.0 along with the Clowns In Action
No, it’s HER Arab Spring … where SHE assassinates “strongman” leaders and ushers in “the Peoples” Islam (aka radical extremist Islam). And then this college sophomoric “thinker” believes the radical Islamists will embrace HER with the olive branch of Peace … and will protect our “diplomatic mission” and Ambassador from harm.
It’s really THAT simple. SHE actually believes the Tallieee-bahn is gonna love Byedin (like SHE was loved in Benghazi).
Bingo! Said the same thing earlier. Jug Ears is a Muslim
“Wasted away again in Jimmy Carterville”… sung to the tune of a Jimmy Buffet song …
“Some people say us Democrats are to blame, but .. duh duh duh duh duh duh, it’s all Trumps fault …
Still working on the rest of the lyrics.
Will be hard to spin hostages and beheadings. Other than military personnel and embassy employees why would any Americans still be there, especially once Plugs ‘won’ election? Just awful.
No doubt coming soon to Twitter, Instagram and Facebook… all of which will be perfectly fine with the trash that run all three.
It will be interesting to see how the MSM and the demoncrats spin the execution of women who don’t conform to the Taliban edicts. They did it before, they will do it again.
They already are. Some whackjob posted a Taliban snuff video here yesterday. It’s long gone of course, but they are not only doing it, but “sharing” it too.
No it’s not long gone! I just watched it. Seriously SICK.
I look for there to be thousands of American hostages. And we all know how cowardly demorats handle hostage situations. They can always count on Obama drawing a line in the sand, or Jimmy Carter helping. And then there’s Lurch the negotiator.
At this rate we are going to be very confused when the Capital Hostages are referenced.
Frank,
Come on man!
Those nice liberal Tally-ban have already stated that women can go out and about provided they wear a rag to cover their faces.
Meanwhile over here in nice liberal Scotland our own little dictator Mrs Sturgeon has said Women (and others) are free to go out and about provided they wear a rag to cover their faces.
So what’s the problem?
I have always said mask were burkaish.
and if y’all remember a few years ago after $6 Billion US Dollars Disappeared from the US State Department (while Hillary Clinton was The Sec. of State) Hillary Deposited 1.8 Billion into a Qatar Bank Account !
Pepperidge farms remembers.
You know it.
I was wondering why no one ever spoke about that missing $6 B ever again. I didn’t forget.
if you were paying attention THAT money was her graft payoffs in the Clinton Global Initiative scam
This may be the end of the Sock Puppet Presidency. Joe Biden seems to be cracking up. You know what they said after they cut the tail off of the monkey. They all said, “Well, it won’t be long now.”
As for the Biden family, it couldn’t be happening to a more deserving family. As for the rest of us, things could quickly go from sublime to ridiculous. As for Obama and his Communist buddies, this is only the beginning of the political carnage. The useful idiots may begin to see the light, however. Er, on second thought, not a chance in hell of that happening.
What a mess. No thanks, I already popped my own popcorn. Tonight the blame Donald Trump Show will begin re-airing!
Yeah, a family that figured it could just waltz right into the White House after Stealing the Election.
This has never been about the Bidens. It’s been about Obama. Look at slojoes staff and advisers. All Obamalama creatures. He’s the meat puppet in chief and kamala is meat puppet number 2.
Watch what you wish for Joe and Jill! You just might get it.
Clif High said this would happen…….
Cliff High is an interesting guy. Makes predictions based upon word usage on the internet. Gregg Hunter at USA Watchdog has a good interview with him, which is still on his site.
Hunter always has his art career to fall back on.
Fascinating Observation on the likely Russian role in the fall-out of events.
Meanwhile Veterans and Taxpayers are the big losers- in the end. We always are. Your great grand kids will be paying for that war. We truly have become the Stupid Nation.
Sundance, my impression is that Obama and much of the US political class supported the Muslim Brotherhood. Amidst all your research and writing, could you please elaborate on this, and if necessary correct my impression. If my impression is true, why would they do this?
Thank you for all you and your helpers do for us!
Reference….
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2017/05/19/president-trumps-mid-east-peace-coalition-prepares-for-historic-summit/
Sundance, thank you very much!
Their is a rumor John McCain was one of the leaders of the Taliban. I can’t see this happening unless it was on purpose do to the billions in opium the CIA owns over there
The Taliban has too much integrity to have John McCain as a leader.
Obama is the head of the American chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood. Everything he does is to help Muslims. The communists here think he’s on their side, but he’s just using them.
VJ, the Left’s Messiah’s “closest advisor” has HEAVY ties to the MB..her mother and I believe at least one sister are intimately involved with them and their propaganda
I know VJ lived in Iran or grew up there or something. Wasn’t Huma what’s her name the one whose mother and sister were involved with the MB? She was Anthony Weiner’s wife and Hillary’s “girl Friday” or something.
Yes and Lisa Page is of Iranian decent on maternal side. Peter Strzok grew up in Iran.
Always remember: The people behind this collapse are the same ones who were behind the attempted coup of President Trump.
Yup. Big picture: Destruction of America.
Attempted? ??
MTG on now. Explaining now.
Where does Iran figure into this mess?
Do they align with the Taliban?
Insofar as they are both at war with Western Civilization, they will be allies. . . . along with the Biden Regime.
To answer your question about Iran:
Consider that about 6-9 short weeks ago Iran hosted a major summit involving all the major Suni and Shia movements. The goal was to have them bury the hatchet in others until victory, then bury the hatchet in each other to see who is boss in the Islamic World.
Iran has become a very interesting intersection between Russia, China Inc. and the EU.
There is “business” and then there is Islam. Some of the Islamic nations know how to keep them seperated.
Should we break out the teddy bears, candles, and balloons?//////
Not funny, a no class statement.
I have far too many ties to that armpit of the world, I will snark all I want. Don’t really care if you think it is no class or not funny.
The thing to keep in mind when watching this play out is that the Taliban are doctrinaires, do not think outside of their ideology, are openly hostile to and will gladly destroy anyone who does not agree with them and follow no rules other than their own . . . In other words, they have the exact same mentality as the ideologues running the Biden Regime.
The Groucho Marxists in Washington wouldn’t know whether to shit or wind their watch.
They share the same ideological framework, but lack the testosterone.
Please refrain from “slurring” Groucho.
So true OneHorse and that makes a lot of difference when trying to win a war against them especially one you are fighting in their own country.
I believe that the Taliban will put their muscle where their mouths are when needed.
The wimpy Biden administration expect others to do all of the work for them.
It is important to never underestimate the devotion that the Muslim’s have to ALLAH.
I don’t believe that the wimpy so called socialist here in America would ever make the sacrifices that these middle eastern people are willing to give for what they believe in.
Ideology is one thing but the deep ingrained faith and way of life that the Islamic faith instills in the population of these countries is a real factor when fighting a war with them and for some reason countries who go up against it usually end up losing.
Afghanistan — what a quagmire.
Afghanistan has never been a ‘country’, as we perceive a country is and should be.
Instead, it is a geographic area that ‘houses’ an approximate 14 TRIBES — and counting.
It is a Tribal region, and as such — it is foolish to believe that a central governmental system could be imposed — OVER — the various & many tribes.
Doing so is pitting one tribe over another. Only, each tribe is fully justified in their convictions.
YET — the United States has tried. And, failed — repeatedly to pick TRIBES.
Now ask yourself, who is it that has had the ‘brilliant’ idea that they could impose their beliefs & systems over all others?
The United States has not been the first.
There is something to be said for leaving well-enough alone.
At the end of the day, it will be exactly that absent a common culture and belief system a la multiculturalism.
Not so.
The difference is that those who initially formed America (new soil; new region) formed an alliance to a common belief — i.e., life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness.
And those who came after (immigrants) pledged to the same.
This is in contrast to your example of the Chinese (for example) who are already born within a confined system & culture.
The Afghanis are also born within a confined system & culture — ONLY — there are many distinct & separate cultures confined within those same borders.
I think the best analogy would be to consider the United States — and the 50 states within it. Imagine if each of those 50 states were totally & completely independent — there was NO Federal Government that oversaw each of those 50 states.
That would be Afghanistan.
OneHorse — I believe you missed my point — which is basically WE should have left the region alone to begin with.
We, as in the United States — along with every other nation who attempted to meddle in the region — do not belong there.
“We” do not belong there. “We” never have.
The Globalists, along with the United States in too many instances — have attempted to impose their will on other cultures & regions.
No one (country or person) has the right to impose on another.
Let each (country or person) live as they want to live.
The one thing that Americans use to have that bound us together was our Constitution.
A belief and respect for humans and the Judeo/Christian belief in the great respect for human life and the right the a human had to live his or her life as they wished with the smallest amount of restraint as possible.
A lot of Americans have little knowledge of other religions in the world that do not give this respect to humans or the right of respect to some one regardless of gender or skin color or what level of “status” your family has when you are born.
We are going to learn the hard way what Islam means and does to the world and how that being a human being means very little.
In the Muslim world EVERYTHING matters as to what gender you are and what your order of birth is and where in the social pecking order you family stands.
You as a person matters nothing, you might as well be an animal and in that culture some animals live far better than humans.
And sadly we Americans are forced to play by the rules while almost every other country on the face of the earth lie cheat and steal.
Yes we have malls and residential communities and many luxuries but you need to see what some of the middle east countries look like.
Lots of malls, upscale stores that sell luxury good, neighborhoods full of mansions and freeways with exit ramps that BMWs and Mercedes carry the wealthy at top speed.
And not too far are the shacks and dumps where the poor live in conditions that we would not let our animals live in.
We need to stop picking on ourselves so much for the consumption, the wealthy middle eastern families put us to shame at the over abundance of consumption but at least we make a stab and trying to do something about relieving the grinding misery of those with less here in America.
I am not familiar with China but my daughter in law has been there several times and she says it is not a nice place at all.
When I asked her why she said it is hard to explain but it is just “creepy”.
There is little to admire about either the Chinese culture or the culture of the middle east.
Both are oppressive and brutal and the quality of life is very uneven depending on you birth status.
And unlike here that birth status is something that is with you for life.
I have been playing this all day. Billy Joel really nailed it:
Another one for the road
What about Jordan?
Or does Jordan not matter in the scheme of things?
No and Jordon as a state may even be at greater risk. In fact the best thing Jordon can attempt at this point is figure out how to confederate with Israel.
There is an odd mutual respect between the two, that makes this not such a far fetched idea. The Bedouins in both countries would likely go with it.
From a military point of view, it merges the two best Military Forces in the middle east.
Consider that about 6-9 short weeks ago Iran hosted a major summit involving all the major Suni and Shia movements. The goal was to have them bury the hatchet in others until victory, then bury the hatchet in each other to see who is boss in the Islamic World. I suspect they succeeded.
Iran has become a very interesting intersection between Russia, China Inc., the US and the EU.
There is “business” and then there is Islam. Some of the Islamic nations know how to keep them separated, unti the final reconciling.
Susan Rice must be thrilled!
Susan is point man for Obama inside the WH unelected cabinet member calling all the shots for jarret and bama.. This debacle is an exact replica of the Iraq debacle. Hint Islamonarxists and Mozz brohood …..
We should have expected this outcome. When you have the woke military and the IC running around saying that”domestic terrorists” and “white supremacists” are the number one threat to the nation and the world for that matter, you’re bound to get your butt kicked all across the globe.
I mean LMAO remember Biden and other politicians laughing about the 2nd amendment and how we would need F15’s and nukes? They literally just got their butts beat by people that practically live in the STONE AGE. Never underestimate determination.
It’s not a battle of wills…
War is the result of government failure to negotiate.
Well, like Obongo said,
Never underestimate Joe.
Messed up with a gigantic F.
In the 1990s, Robert McNamara met with his North Vietnamese counterpart, Vo Ngyuen Giap.
Reportedly McNamara focused on discussing logistics and numerics, while Giap spoke at length on Vietnamese history and poetry. An American historian who was present concluded McNamara engaged in short term planning, while Giap operated with the long-term in mind.
If this is true, I think there is another conclusion which could be drawn. McNamara could not interpret war beyond its materialistic basis, while Giap understood the importance of Vietnamese culture as a means of inspiring his soldiers. Quite ironic considering the latter was a Marxist.
I am unsure, even doubtful, the Afghan War was ever intended to be won. If it was, those who waged it failed to learn from McNamara’s lack of vision.
It is far more complicated than you portrait.
Ho Chi Minh and Giap were US supported, via the OSS, guerillas fighting the Japanese. They also were not too thrilled with the French coming back to reclaim the place, after WWII. The Japanese had to keep a sizable garrison in place throughout the war and were actually supported by Vichy French forces.
The actual re-occupation of Vietnam after the surrender of Japan was conducted by Indian Troops from the British 14th Army.
I suspect there are allot papers, correspondence and communications involving a position of NOT giving Vietnam back to the French after WWII. There is more rationale floating about, along these lines that prompted Truman, then Eisenhower, to let the French stew in their own juices in Vietnam.
The murky waters of the Cold War and an expansion oriented USSR set the stage for the long crawl to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident used a pretext to get more heavily involved at the behest of major US commercial and poltical interests.
The key is, “In the wake of President Biden’s withdrawal decision, the U.S. pulled its air support, intelligence and contractors servicing Afghanistan’s planes and helicopters. That meant the Afghan military simply couldn’t operate anymore. The same happened with another failed American effort, the South Vietnamese army in the 1970s, ” (WSJ link)
Even if the Afghans wanted to fight, Joe Biden made sure they couldn’t. This is Obama standing with the Muslim Brotherhood and handing them over Afghanistan.
Good point. The Taliban are Afghan countrymen. I do not approve of some of their ways, but really, what do I know? Who do I believe about this country and how have the Afghan people suffered, or come together?
It would be great if the Taliban united the country and did not murder those they considered infidels. They could unite against China perhaps.
Certainly, it was never our country.
Of course, it is never simple.
most of those advanced weapons have exotic and special materials integral to their construction…you need FIRST world technologies and industries to hope to manufacture them
China can do it, no?
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This is the results of the Odumbo on his knees approach to anything involving radical Islam. Let’s quite crediting Demented Joebama with anything but occasionally reading a complete sentence from a teleprompter
We will never know the full extent of foolish money wasted in Afghanistan..
The Taliban is even using our US based servers- apparently, no one thought to destroy them.. Clever- not.
And like almost an afterthought- someone noticed all the valuable equipment left behind that could be used by the enemy..
So why didn’t someone tell Zuckerberg to shut down Whats App?
I always thought we should have got out of Afghanistan after the battle of Tora Bora. Osama escaped but Al-Qaeda was scattered and degraded. They saw what we could do from a great distance to degrade their military capability. That should have been enough. But GW Bush with his nation building took over and here we are in this mess. GW Bush started this mess and ChiCom Joe made it worse. Since Vietnam I have always thought our military should get in, get the job done and get out we’re not the world’s LE!
More Rubble Less Trouble.
None of this has been incompetence. More like all purposeful with mal intent. It’s the whole Obama gang back together again for the Iraq redux only in Afghanistan……..It’s so obvious. Rinos will blame Trump and the rest ignore this far too hot to handle. If executions come soon and public then maybe people will have had enough of this obama Rice islamomarxist regime trying darn hard to bring this country down to it’s knees so the redo will be complete…….
Erdogan begins the relationship with Paki over Afghan illegals. MB can’t be far behind https://turkishpress.com/pakistan-has-vital-role-to-bring-peace-stability-to-afghanistan-turkish-president/
I guess 20 years of fighting leaves people with a desire to reek revenge.
The Soviets couldn’t subdue Afghanistan, the US couldn’t subdue Afghanistan, let the Chinese try.
The world can only hope that China gets bogged down there for a long time.
Russia had their turn in the 80s. US had their turn for 20 years. Now it’s China’s turn to meet the meatgrinder …
China will play diplomatic games and rape their resources.
They’re not stupid enough to do the hearts and minds thing.
Well that’s one way of looking at it:
Damn. That hurts.
The US should have declared victory and walked away in 2004. There was no purpose served or benefit to staying in Afghanistan.
A good reference for what’s been happening for the past five years, as well as a prediction of how all of this ends up. https://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDFs/Camp_of_the_Saints_2col%20.pdf
Huma is happy now.
Now we will get a call for the US to rescue the pathetic cowards and losers that were the Afghan military. I heard the brave Benny Shapiro say that on the radio a while ago. They won’t even fight for their country. Why should we?
Thus spake Nanzi Pewlousy
“We are deeply concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls.
“The U.S., the international community and the Afghan government must do everything we can to protect women and girls from inhumane treatment by the Taliban.
“Any political settlement that the Afghans pursue to avert bloodshed must include having women at the table.”
https://neonnettle.com/news/16311-pelosi-demands-gender-equality-in-afghanistan-as-nation-collapses
Well, now we know just how stupid and out of touch with the real world she really is.
The Taliban will have her head on a pike.
I disagree.
Biden will not eat jello. He’ll eat ice cream.
The rest is spot on.
Nothing but bunch of thugs and liar corrupt of taliban blood thirsty killers,
fake president joe B bring all our soldiers Home,
More random and related stuff –
Reporting from the Duran (Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris) since 30 June 2021 and again on the 10th of August, John Bolton has set up his own think tank, affiliated with the Gatestone Institute, with the objective of regime change in Turkey, i.e. eliminating Erdogan.
As such, apparently Erdogan has strengthened his “friendship” with Russia (Putin), with the hope of increased tourism from Russians to bolster Turkey’s economy, plus obtaining protection from Russia (Putin).
Destruction follows in the wake of John Bolton everywhere.
Remember that pic of Bolton walking down the street in Turkey right after Pres Trump fired him, Bolton?
We speculated if that really was Bolton, and why would Bolton be there.
Perhaps now we know.
Odysee link –
Neocons ramp up regime change efforts in Turkey August 10th, 2021
https://odysee.com/@theduran:e/neocons-ramp-up-regime-change-efforts-in:8
Kandahar is already seeing a lot of bodies lying in the streets.
Afghanistan is rapidly reverting back to it’s natural state.
Some serious whine.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-afghan-national-army-performing-090450935.html
Summer, this is a snuff film, why would you post this here?
Especially without warning Treepers?
I just watched Taliban executing women on the sidewalk. I realized I was watching the US in the near future. It ain’t stopping over there, brothers. Biden was the sellout the Beast paid to look the other way while we were bargained off.
I wonder when they will start burying women up to their shoulders and stoning them? That was an entertainment for them 20 years ago.
Brilliant insight! So we will have helped Russia achieve their centuries-old goal of becoming part of Europe!
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I pray the Taliban beheads the Fake Biden presidency.