According to the VAERS reporting system (within the CDC) there were 5,997 currently reported fatalities in 2021 attributed to vaccinations during the first half of this year.
Of that 5,997 number: 5,888 are directly attributed to COVID vaccinations.
By comparison in 2020 there were 365 total fatalities attributed to vaccines.
The 2021 data reflects a stunning increase.
2021
2014
2017
♦ 2014 SARS Biological Weapon Program Paused (sort of) – U.S. Funds Wuhan, China, BioLab
♦ 2017 Right Before Leaving Office President Obama Reauthorized SARS Biological Weapons
♦ 2020 SARS-CoV-2 Pandemic begins from Wuhan, China, BioLab release
♦ 2021 U.S. Government demanded vaccinations Kill 5,888 Americans
People wonder why the U.S. government doesn’t want to investigate the real origin of the pandemic….
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This data is suspect. The website says: “The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database contains information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can be submitted electronically at http://www.vaers.hhs.gov.”
So the data is UNVERIFIED and can be submitted by ANYONE.
Okay I will play… no one in my family or related friends/family died of COVID. 4 got it. 2 healed fine. 1 required a ventilator and survived because of ivermitacin. 1 is in a nursing home, has cold and survived.
Now the “shot” all but my immediate family (and one group of parents) got it. No one died… yet. Every single one either had an immediate reaction or is dealing with sudden onset of weird ailments.
Math does not add up. Virus that had limited impact or a vaccines that will impact?
I have a friend my age, otherwise healthy, who died of Covid in January, and I know others who have recovered.
I, and other members of my family as well as many friends have been vaccinated (mine was Pfizer) without any reaction other than a sore arm.
Is isn’t true that the virus has limited impact unless you are young and healthy. If you are old or, for instance, have coronary artery disease or hypertension, your chance of dying is much higher – 10% or more.
High risk patients greatly improve their chances when early interventions are given. Most who die are told to wait until the viral surge destroys their lungs and *then* go to the hospital. That’s unfortunately too late.
Many died on the vent because the wrong percentage of oxygen was used, which stretched out their lungs. And they were given nothing to prevent the inevitable blood clots that form when lying prone for weeks.
Denied the most basic care, many people died from medical malpractice and neglect.
It means the CDC hasn’t verified the reports. Yes anyone can turn one in but as with any government document must swear the information is true and correct or face penalties.
Some people are reporting for themselves or family members because doctors are refusing to report. Another problem is some honest concerned doctors have tried to report patient events and the CDC rejected the report.
It is well known that less than 10% of the events are reported so the numbers seen on VAERS are significantly lower.
What is important is that the deaths from the CV 19 shots in 6 months exceeds deaths from ALL VACCINES combined in the last 20 years.
Think about all of their reports. In 2021, you can only get cause of death reports for 2018. Why does it take 3 years to look at death certificates and count the primary cause of death? Are government employees so stupid that they cannot count? Are they so stupid that they couldn’t list them in a spreadsheet and run a simple pivot table? There is far more here than is on the surface. I would venture the 2020 numbers will not be released until after the 2024 elections so as to NOT reveal the true cause of death.
How many people lost a loved one in 2020 and didn’t look at the cause of death on the certificate? How do you know what was actually reported? The government is constantly putting out reports and then having to correct them (think unemployment numbers–they are reported one month and then updated the next, often with great degrees of variability from the original). Why don’t they hold the unemployment numbers for 3-4 years like they do cause of death reports? Are the smarter people employed in the Bureau of Labor Statistics and dumber people employed by the CDC/NIH? Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
Pray for all of those who took the jab. If it was not fully approved by the FDA, can it actually be called a vaccine? I think that’s why so many government officials refer to it as “the jab”.
The single action which should give every American pause about the jab comes in the US House of Representatives. If Nancy Pelosi was truly “vaccinated” and she truly believes in the “vaccine”, why does she demand that members of her body remain masked and socially distanced? Once again, a Democrat whose words and actions are not only out of sync but out of the realm of reality! She is the reveal.
Good Points, a2n…. thanks for some actual logic.
It is not accurate to group COVID-19 shot adverse reaction data with that of vaccine because “the shot” is NOT A VACCINE. It is banned, experimental human gene manipulation.
Spot on JimmyLiberty.
It is a vaccine. This is one of the new myths.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/pfizer-and-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-vaccines-the-new-myth/
While the skepticalraptor never discloses who he/she is.. The author discloses that he/she has been working in Big Pharma for over 25 years. While that offers a bit of transparency the author is hiding behind anonymity by not disclosing his/her name. That combined with the phrama experience suggests this person has a strong bias in favor of pharma/drugs/vaccines and could be hiding the fact they have relationships with pharma organizations. I would take anything written with a mound of salt.
I was thrilled to have a positive article to read and possibly share. Then I read it. Then I read the comments. Even if I bought the article I still need at least 2 more corroborating.
The author includes dozens of links to other sources. Check them out?
With lots of links to other sources. Most of the comments here make claims with absolutely NO links to anything. I am just supposed to “believe”.
By the way, Sundance doesn’t tell you who he is or where he works, if anywhere. Do you believe him?
The reason why some people remain anonymous on the internet should be obvious.
For those who didn’t read the article:
The old feathered dinosaur has over 30 years experience in endocrinology and cardiology. As a part of that background, they had extensive education in immunology, microbiology, cell biology, biochemistry, and evolutionary biology. So this is why I kind of stick in a few areas.
Most of the background is research and development in the pharmaceutical and medical device industry. Yeah, some of you will take that as proof of some conspiracy. But, science is science – the only thing that matters is evidence, and that’s the only thing the ancient dinosaur uses.
Stella, the feds recently changed the definition of vaccine to include mRNA biologics and I suspect they did so to make the public believe this hydrogel wrapped nano filled spike protein bundle is just like the old vaccines which is live attentiated or dead viruses mixed with other chemicals. NOT THE SAME.
No it’s not the same, but unless you are a microbiologist, I’ll stay with my own opinions. Thanks for participating anyway. You do know that real microbiologists consider them to be vaccines, right?
What is your definition of a “real” microbiologist? One who agrees with you or one who has both the degrees and is a working or retired microbiologist?
Someone who has degrees and is or has worked as a microbiologist. Kat Ford says elsewhere that she is a retired RN and attorney – not a microbiologist.
Since most of the people on this thread are anti-vaxxers, I don’t expect that you would believe anything else I say or post, but I have posted a link elsewhere to a real MD/PHD who talks about why these are REAL vaccines.
My experience here today is that my sources are attacked, not the facts presented.
In addition if you open up the case by VAERS ID and read it, in most cases it is obvious it was input by medical personnel due to the medical terms used.
I have worked with these reports. They are submitted on a form that requires details (medical and personal information) and there are several layers of medical review and review by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. It is not the way you make it sound.
I understand this is difficult information for people who have already taken the vaccine.
My Dad was a victim of the vaccine. He died on 3-5-21 3 days after getting his Pfiser shot. The ICU Dr told me that he had blood clots in his abdomen. I reported my Dads real life story to VAERS. Vaers followed up on my Dad’s claim requesting the shot manufacturer & lot #. We also recieved condolence email from the CDC and FDA.
This story is real. I believe that there are many more true stories too.
So sorry about your Dad
Thanks, he was 90 but still would be here if he hadn’t gotten that damn shot. MSNBC had him and countless others in his age group terrified of the virus.
So sorry to hear this. Your dad’s advanced age probably had something to do with his *immediate* reaction to the jab. I know of a young woman who suffered seizures after the first jab, but survived.
Far more people of all ages are *yet* to experience the Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) which killed all previous mRNA test subjects over the past 20 years. This is a “phenomenon in which binding of a virus to suboptimal antibodies enhances its entry into host cells, followed by it’s replication.”
They’ve tried since 2002’s SARS-CoV-1 to develop this mRNA “jab,” and by all accounts the gain-of-function spike proteins are *not* compatible with life.
I assume FauXI views this catastrophic immune response as a feature and not a flaw?
The billions of spike proteins injected by the jab are therefore feared to set people up for a violent immune response during the next flu cycle.
This means the worst is yet to come. But due to the longer time interval between jabs and death, the “experts” will surely blame the expected deaths on something else, probably a new “variant.”
Yep, and I would be amazed if the “variant” doesn’t hit leading up to the ‘22 Midterms.
I think that’s the plan. It too late for these devils to turn back now. They have to go all in with this diabolical plan. Too many of us survived the first onslaught of the Chyna plague. They won’t make that mistake the next time.
I know of only four people in my circle here in blueMA who are steadfastly refusing. Myself, one moonbat (Dim) friend who is nevertheless and thankfully extremely scamdemic-skeptical, and two MAGA friends.
Everyone else is a Dim and now carrying spike proteins.
I’m beginning to dread the coming winter…
What about the shedding of the spike proteins? Do you think that’s why they inject billions of them in one jab? To infect others along with the ones who got the jab?
This is my big worry or the alternate fear that since the body is filled with the spike protein, it won’t recognize a new variant and thus the person will succumb to sepsis. Both theories are offered by various members of America’s Frontline Doctors.
yikes
I HAD faith in God and human nature.
But these people have completely made me hateful and cynical. I just didn’t know people could actually DEvolve into so many killing monsters for no reason, except to kill everybody who doesn’t agree with them.
Now I’m not sure they haven’t made ME a monster. I trust NOBODY.
“I feel like I’m living in Jonestown”
I try to think of workplace rules like sharing comparing wages with co-workers is grounds for automatic termination. Then I think of workplace trance – employee brainwashing. Also how many working on minute details actually have the big picture? Mostly probably not and also probably prohibitions against sharing information with other departments highly likely.
Keep trusting God. He is in charge.
I trust God to lead the way. In these times, I don’t argue with people in my life. I try to set an example and only offer my opinions when asked.
I warn people on this forum, not to fight with those who may disagree, but to empower everyone to separate truth from fiction. Hopefully we will learn from each other.
I pray for us all to get through this Great Reset. In the meantime, like Sundance advises, I live my best life try to be a port in the storm.
They will blame those that refuse the jab, count on it.
Yes, to the gulag you deplorable Americans who refused the jab! It’s coming.
ADE more often occurs without having been given a vaccine. Definition:
“ADE occurs when the antibodies generated during an immune response recognize and bind to a pathogen, but they are unable to prevent infection. Instead, these antibodies act as a “Trojan horse,” allowing the pathogen to get into cells and exacerbate the immune response.”
Neither COVID-19 disease nor the new COVID-19 vaccines have shown evidence of causing ADE. People infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have not been likely to develop ADE upon repeat exposure. This is true of other coronaviruses as well. Likewise, studies of vaccines in the laboratory with animals or in the clinical trials in people have not found evidence of ADE.
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines
Yet.
My friend got the jab. Two days later, reported to me, “See, no harmful side effects!” Two weeks, my friend said, “See, no harmful side effects!”
What kind of bubble some people live in!
I emailed an article to all of my late-20 year old sons, who all got the jab, with the symptoms of myocarditis. They were not pleased with me. I just said, “Want you to know because I’m certain you don’t.”
Father son duo went to get vax together. Father in his 50’s is absolutely fine. Son, 21, very ill. Sorry about your late son.
Oh, Kook, don’t say that! My Son? So far all of my sons are fine…
My Dad had an A-Fib related stroke 5 years ago. Maybe he was susceptible to blood clots. It seems logical to me that nobody with a stroke history should get these vaccines. Unfortunately these questions weren’t asked before my Dad got his shot.
At his age, he should have been scared of the virus. Men 80 years and older have an AVERAGE death rate in excess of 10%. If they have heart disease or hypertension it is higher than that.
My condolences on the death of your father, and I hope it wasn’t as a result of the vaccine. I know that you believe that it is, but do you have concrete proof that it wasn’t something else?
Too many coincidences makes a pattern. My person hasn’t died but had a very obvious decline directly after taking vax – had to cut work hours, had to euthanize old dog (couldn’t keep up) failed to reply and on and on til culminating in stroke. Due to age she will never be counted and she herself claims not to believe it but we witnessed direct relationship. Anecdotal at best but convinced us. It was just too wierd how we had discussed it for months (about not taking the vaccine) but somehow she flipped and felt so grateful that she managed to get it – like a vaccine evangelist but she couldn’t explain why she flipped pro so we watched closely. Please know that I appreciate your position on this because I would rather be wrong.
I recall that men over 80 with comorbidities were excluded from mRNA biologics research.
So were pregnant women, excluded. But I understand that the push to “vaccinate” them is as intense as for any other group if not more intense.
I can tell you these details. My Dad was strong enough to stand in line for 45 minutes, I was with him, waiting for his shot. He got the shot and drove himself and my mom to a local diner. After finishing the meal he developed abdominal pain that he attributed to food poisoning. The pain got progressivly worse landing him in the emergency room where he coded and was revived, placed on a ventilator and shipped to ICU. The ICU Dr. told me that he had blood clots in his abdomen. He died later that day of multiple organ failure. Your right, I think that the vaccine killed my Dad.
Sorry to hear; your taking the time to share is appreciated.
Don’t know if it will ever happen, but msnbc and the other ilk, should be punished for their lies and omissions.
Thank you for sharing this important information. So sorry about your dad.
Remember… Didn’t these drug companies receive special “no liability” get-out-of-jail cards regarding their ‘jabs’?
Yes. Legally, they will be not held liable. Which tells you a lot about the vaccine.
If they were collaborating with the CCP to develop the virus and the vaccines at the same time, their exemption from civil liability will disappear and the big pharma executives will find themselves focussing on a very, very different area of the law.
We know the CCP filed a patent on the Covid19 genome before it was even declared a pandemic = they knew all about the virus months before it was sent out of China.
We know early samples from infected people in China showed telltale signs of vaccine challenges, including adenovirus vaccines = the CCP was working on vaccines by late 2019.
Probably used the humanized mice to no see um their way to a virus specifically adapted to infect humans and also to develop a cure.
Infect your enemies, offer cure to your subjects and tribute states.
We know the tight relationship between big pharma and the CCP. Ever looked at a map of what drug companies are present in Wuhan? It was big pharma production central.
BTW, a totalitarian state with control over millions of undesirables, doing forced organ harvesting. What are the odds that the CCP was not also testing pathogens on its Uighur or dissident population? Thinking back to some of those “leaked” videos from China
Security guard at desk goes into sudden convulsions and seizures, dies in less than three minutes. Horrific video.
We now know Covid doesn’t do that. So who was he, and what poison did they use on him to produce that video?
Crimes against humanity.
The same can be said for the supposed mortality rates of the CCP virus.
Consider the fact that when the wuhan virus started, flu cases/deaths disappeared. That is impossible.
The limitations of VAERS are known and taken into account by those, including the CDC and FDA, who have relied on it for years. Those who’ve relied on it in the past cannot suddenly call it unreliable.
In addition, while anyone can file a report, it is not a process easy enough that any Tom, Dick, or Harry will do it.
In the UK doctors are working overtime to persuade people that their post vax reactions have nothing to do with the vax.
So the reported numbers are likely seriously undercooked.
This is criminal! I am stunned at the number of people who actually volunteered to get the jab – really unbelievable!
To break that down, I am stunned at the conservatives who have evaluated the data, agree something is wrong, and take the kill shot anyway…..I can see brain dead liberals taking it. I mean they are in FUBAR anyway.
Plenty of that type in my conservative NC county, and they think by magic they can finally take the mask off.
Masks are and have always been useless against Covid 19.
Please don’t tell kamalayama that. In her case a mask makes the world a more beautiful place. Hey Kamala do you know who YAMA is?
I understand paper-bags are helpful in cases like Kommie’s.
Yes it’s less effective than using chicken wire to stop sand.
The combined pressures to get the shot, with the combined propaganda and censorship, are what is “unbelievable”, given the very low hazard of the disease (99.8% overall survival rate) and the availability of cheap and safe means to mitigate the risk (robust vitamin D supplementation to prevent and ivermectin to treat.)
Why is this happening? That’s the question all should be asking.
What about employers who demand even remote workers take the injection or face termination! I just hired a woman who was TERMINATED from a law office(!?!) over refusal to be a Gates test dummy.
Because they lied and hid the truth from us that invermectin could be a prophylaxis and cure for covid. That Mountain magazine article recently posted here made me absolutely livid. They killed many just to get Trump and cull the herd of as many conservatives as possible. Stupid people in power doing stupid things. They ALL ought to go to …….. well, I can think of many places and many ways to get there…….
For those who didn’t see it:
https://www.mountainhomemag.com/2021/05/01/356270/the-drug-that-cracked-covid
Thank you!
The quoted survival rate is true if you are very young and healthy. If you are old, have hypertension, coronary artery disease, COPD or another disease of the old, your survival rate goes down significantly.
Define survival rate goes down significantly. Not how I read the data.
It’s even worse when you have to witness children/students marched down to get the VAX in school. Several of my students reported this sentiment: “I feel so much better after getting the vaccine than I did before.” These are middle schoolers.
I have a friend in Idaho who said that the middle and high schools are making the shots available at the schools in mobile units and are “vaccinating” children without parental approval.
I clicked on the Boise High School website and sure enough, there is a link -front and center- on their website regarding mobile COVID 19 mobile vaccination clinics. I clicked on random other Jr High sites and same link is front and center.
It’s outrageous that they are pushing experimental gene therapy on children who have almost ZERO risk from this flu. Seriously, anyone encouraging these children to get experimental gene therapyu should be held liable.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/quality/9-states-where-minors-can-get-vaccinated-without-parental-consent.html
Fear is a tremendous motivator. Courage and common sense seem to be forgotten amidst the panic that has gripped the souls of many. Our jabbed loved ones need our prayers and support now more than ever.
It may sound crazy, but as soon as I heard that my husband, most of my coworkers and friends were all jabbed, I began making contingency plans for life without them.
People who can least afford to suffer setbacks from the vaccine will likely suffer them. Even strong, healthy young people are having serious issues with these vaccines.
I want to hear more about the spike protein shedding factor. My daughter says her period hasn’t been regular since her boyfriend got the jab in March.
Shouldn’t surprise you… look around at all the masks still in place!
Truly no informed consent. And, add in all of the taxpayer paid advertising urging everyone to get the jab, you have 4th Reich human experimentation. Crimes against humanity.
You can just visualize an “antidote” coming up on the radar screen.
Some % of the people who took the advice of the jabberwokes will start having buyer’s remorse.
This is what I have been saying for a while now, for months! We have to get our best medical minds on how to come up with an antidote for these “vaccines” and do it quickly!
I mentioned this to an MD I know who attended the Tulsa freedom meeting with speakers like Simone Gold and some of the Front Line doctors. He replied that he didn’t see how it would be possible to reverse the effects of the vaccines.
But there is the new CRISPR gene-editing technology.
What about chemical signals to halt the production of spike proteins from mRNA? Normally, after our cells make a needed protein, there is a negative feedback mechanism that signals the production to stop. Could that negative feedback mechanism be triggered by an abundance of a harmless protein that does trip the mechanism and cause shutdown of production?
As for spike proteins already in tissues, could they be safely neutralized? Then wait for them to be eliminated by the normal process of protein turnover?
I don’t have the expertise, but we need an antidote.
Don’t over think. Just think of Darwin when you contemplate folks agreeing to be injected….
Some of those folks are very young children and minors.
One of our commenters here said his wife was not allowed to secure care for her mother unless she agreed to be vaccinated. They had her trapped.
Many people are now under enormous economic pressure to be vaccinated as required by their jobs. Finally, many people who are unaware, perhaps because they are simple … or simply preoccupied with other pressing issues in their lives, trusted the advice of their doctors, as they have been accustomed to do.
I don’t blame them. They have been fed evil lies. We have to do everything in our power to warn them and save them.
Rather than subject themselves and their family members to this experiment they should willingly change whatever needs to be changed whether their job, their profession or their lifestyle. Pay any price, go to any lengths to maintain their liberty. And they should do it loudly and they should sue their employer. No one should take this lying down.
It is sure as hell easy to say this. I know people with children, some special needs children dependent not only on parents’ income but their insurance as well who would be on the street and their health compromised. People who make statements like this are short sighted at best and willfully uncaring and ignorant at worst.
The answers we need to our problems don’t and won’t involve passing holier than thou judgement on people whose problems we don’t know. As an admin here I see this crap every day and it is disgusting.
Menagerie… I am shocked you could draw the conclusion of “willfulling uncaring and ignorant at worst”. Do you think for one minute Cynthia would compromise herself barring her thoughts to be judged? For an individual to put themselves out there…. they care. It is just her thoughts which you disagree. These are very hard times and difficult decisions for many people. But, liberty does come at a price. I think that was Cynthia’s message. She has obviously researched this in depth, and knows the possible end results. She is just as frightened as we all are who understand what they are trying to accomplish. We are still entitled to speak and form thoughts, correct?
As we’ve now learned about Fauci’s deception since 2012 gain of function… in time, we will learn the plandemic was just the set up for the injected gene therapy. That is the end game. There is plenty of information out there, and many doctors who are discussing how to help ones immune system if they have chosen to take the “vaccine”. It is my hope and prayer they will take the time to research this time.
We are all in this together… we’d better find a way to help each other and continue to care about each other.
I thought about what I said. I meant every single word of it. I find her comment disgusting.
I have been vaccinated, after evaluating the situation based on my on age and co-morbidities. I am not simple. Please do not make decisions for others based on your personal opinions, as you do not know any more than I (or they) do.
No vaccine is 100% safe or effective. I agree that this one seems to be less safe, especially for the young, and each person must make the decision to vaccinate or not based on facts and their doctor’s advice (even if you think the doctors are also simple).
This does not mean that those who do decide to be vaccinated have been “fed evil lies” or are stupid, and it isn’t your job to “save them”.
Stella and Menagerie – I respect your opinions on this issue. But this is no ordinary vaccine – it’s not even a vaccine. Taking this shot is a life and death issue. I do agree with your statement that “it isn’t our job to save them.” I have given up on that because it is impossible to break through the wall of whatever it is that prevents them from seeing how dangerous this situation is. May God help us all.
amen… nicely stated
The myth (not fact) is that this isn’t a vaccine. Yes it is. Don’t spread misinformation. If you can prove to me that for an old and sick person the risks outweigh the benefits, I might listen. So far what I have read doesn’t convince me that I made a bad decision, based upon my personal situation. Just keep in mind that nothing in life is 100% without risk, and that includes vaccines, antibiotics, anesthesia and surgery.
At least read this before telling me I am wrong.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/pfizer-and-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-vaccines-the-new-myth/
Definition of “vaccine” recently changed so genetic experimentation products could be called “”vaccines”.
Because they are vaccines, just a new kind. Are you a scientist?
Retired BSN registered nurse and med mal attorney.
Well, Retired BSN registered nurse and med mal attorney, here’s the facts from a M.D./PHd:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-latest-antivax-false-claim-mrna-vaccines-against-covid-19-are-not-vaccines-but-medical-devices-or-gene-therapy/
What I’m referring to is the claim that I’ve been seeing that the existing COVID-19 vaccines developed by Moderna and by Pfizer/BioNTech and currently being distributed under an emergency use authorization (EUA) by the FDA are not, in fact, really “vaccines” at all. Why? Because they are not “traditional” vaccines based on killed organism, proteins, or weakened versions of pathogenic viruses, but mRNA-based vaccines. This claim tends to take on one of two flavors. The first is that mRNA vaccines are not “vaccines” but rather “medical devices”. This one is the easiest one to dispose of which is why I will deal with it first. The second is that mRNA vaccines are not “vaccines” at all, but rather “gene therapy”, which sounds more plausible if you don’t know molecular biology but is also very much incorrect. According to antivaxxers, the consequences of mRNA vaccines being “gene therapy” are horrible complications, specifically that they will “prematurely kill large amounts of the population and disable exponentially more”…
Read on!
I have read your citation.
It is, at first glance, difficult to find the authors as the posts are signed “Skeptical Raptor.” Seeing no physicians names, I went to “About” where I learned that one of the contributors was a woman with a B.S. in Biology and Marketing. This is a site put out by the Pharmaceutical industry.
It is not peer-reviewed medical literature and no peer-reviewed literature is cited. Thus, it is opinion not fact and to make it worse, opinion put out by the pharmaceutical industry that is making billions off the vaccine. In the law that is what is known as a “conflict of interest” and they would not be able to give independent expert opinion.
The two cases of severe adverse reactions with which I am familiar involved people who were already old and sick. They are now much sicker. One is institutionalized; the other has had heart surgery and has a permanent defibrillator implanted.
It may well be that the same would have happened if they had gotten Covid instead or it may be that they would not have gotten sicker at all. Everyone I know who has gotten Covid has recovered quite nicely but perhaps that is because many of them have been treated with Invermectin, cortisteroids, monoclonal antibodies, Vitamins D and C, Zinc and even HCQ as I understand it in some parts of the country doctors are not treating Covid patients at all until they come to the hospital which really makes no sense (Referencing Dr. Peter McCullough of Baylor University).
Did you miss this part?
and a graduate degree in Biochemistry/Endocrinology from a major US research university.
The individual also refers to himself as “he”.
How do you know that the site is “put out by the Pharmaceutical industry?”
In any event, it doesn’t matter who the person is, as long as what is said is factual. He includes numerous links and lots of good information in his posts.
The important thing is: Can you refute what he says and prove that it is not factual?
I don’t know if any of his links are to “peer reviewed” articles, and I suspect that you don’t know either.
By the way, I know a lot of great peer-reviewed articles about global warming, if you are interested!
I read your comment about your neighbor’s heart attack. There is no information that links it to the vaccine, just your opinion. Your neighbor had existing heart issues, so it is equally as likely that the two incidents are not related at all. Coincidence isn’t causation.
In summary, I trust my sources more than I trust you, as you have not included links to any peer-reviewed articles or other trustworthy sources that bolster your opinions – and you lied about mine.
Reading Stella and Menagerie, who are listed as “admin” go all in with their opinions and rather brusquely I might add, is discouraging. I thought admins were supposed to be neutral, but apparently not on this site. You want to discourage healthy debate, keep this up.
We are allowed to express our opinions, yes. I’m sorry you have to read something that isn’t in agreement with 99% of the others here. I didn’t know that you were so sensitive to criticism!
Healthy “debate” includes opinions that don’t agree with yours. I thought that was obvious.
If you want an echo chamber, I don’t know what to tell you.
I’ll bet you wouldn’t complain if I agreed with everything you say!
If people here are so sensitive that different opinions offend them there are other places to express theirs where they will get a bunch of atta boys. As Sundance has said since we started this blog, sometimes you just gotta call the baby ugly. We’ve done it from the very start. Matter of fact, it is part of how we got here.
I am not sitting around and twittling my thumbs when people make blanket comments like that.
How about if you’ve already had covid, you now have all the antibodies necessary. No ‘VAX’ required. Seem a tad nefarious to me our fake news along with criminal Fauci have held back important information in making the decision. Evil lies…. you bet, children have strong healthy immune systems. And ‘save them’… how about allowing people the freedom to express their thoughts without reprimanding them. No one has implied anyone who has taken the gene therapy ‘stupid’. You guys seem a tad sensitive today on this subject. Why? Any other ‘vaccine’ would have been pulled with this amount of death and reaction.
I don’t believe that you need the vaccine if you have the antibodies. I agree with you there.
And yes, there has been a lot of pushiness from the government and media. I agree that most children probably shouldn’t be vaccinated, and most young people don’t require vaccination but might consider it if they have elderly people they interact with regularly, or if they wish to or think it is a good idea.
I didn’t reprimand anyone except to tell you all not to call names or demonize others who don’t agree with you.
The “pushiness” goes both ways, and yes there are people here calling (not just implying) people who have been vaccinated “stupid” and “simple” and “sheep”.
Seems to me that you are a bit sensitive yourself!
And no, not every vaccine would have been pulled. I can point out the Salk polio vaccine. There was a major vaccine accident during the early days when thousands were harmed because the live vaccine hadn’t been properly killed. It is referred to as the Cutter incident. It was terrible. But the Salk vaccine has prevented polio in probably millions of children.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/
In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.
Stella… not all vaccines are bad as you’ve stated. Some have been needed. However, today is not as yesterday. We have a medical community who some are trying to weaponize as they’ve done as with our three letter agencies.
Billionaire pharma company founder Barry and his wife Honey Sherman were murdered in their Toronto home 12.15.17. They owned Apotex, and manufacturer of generic drugs, specifically HYDROXYCLOROQUINE. They manufactured the drug. This is when the COVID 19 vaccine had just been patented by Rothschild. The only way FDA allows an emergency use of a vaccine which has not completed the tests and trial period is, if there are no natural remedies in the market for a disease. Worlds second largest hydroxychloroquine plant in Taiwan blows up. The factory produced hydroxychloroquine APIs, and is the world’s second largest HCQ raw material supplier. Do you understand what is going on now? Why they made fun of President Trump and discounted any natural remedy. Tell me that is not without nefarious intent.
There are more US deaths related to vaccines in 2021 in less than 5 months than there were the entire PAST DECADE. # is now at 6k this week. #of deaths linked to vaccines has skyrocketed. 6/4 data.. deaths 5888, Hospitalizations 19,597, Urgent care 43,891, office visits 58,800. And that’s just what they are telling us….
Meanwhile, the Rockefeller Medical Institute churns out medicines and distributes their manufacture to various Rockefeller owned drug companies . Once they’d essentially taken over the drug manufacturing industry, the Rockefeller-Gates/Carnegie/AMA cabal not only controlled who could practice medicine and how medicine could be practiced in the U.S., it also controlled which drugs could and could not be prescribed. This is the brainwashed med students… they’ve been trained from day one. Ask your doctor sometime how much they know about nutrition/natural alternatives. Some do..majority don’t. They willingly admit they haven’t been trained.
Then Bill Gates known eugenic- India. Moderna? Scary? Funny how the Johnson and Johnson vax keeps having trouble… clotting, contamination, etc. and keeps being pulled off the market. It is a viral vector vaccine based on a human adenovirus. Not the Pfizer or the Moderna with use synthetic mRNA. Curious isn’t it? Nor really, therein lies the issue.
I’m not sensitive in the least bit about open discussion… it has to go 2 ways. Not pro vaccine only. I respect your decision, but you also have to respect all the Patriots on your blog who have done extensive research in their decision not to have gene therapy.. I ‘m sorry to respectfully disagree.. it is not a vaccine.
Since we all have the freedom here to express (which I’m grateful, SD is a great Patriot)…Here is another perspective on the polio vaccine. There will always be opposing opinions.. but let us always protect America’s freedom speech and choice because we now have an administration who would like nothing more than to take our rights away. Transforming into Bambi’s America. You think they have your best interest at heart.. seriously? Only time will tell if the covid shot will do as much harm as many Doctors are reporting… we all need to get on our knees every night and Pray to God our friends, neighbors, family who have taken it will be ok. I for one have had enough heartbreak in this lifetime.
https://personalliberty.com/rockefellers-coopted-modern-medicine-used-polio-create-vaccine-mythology-profit/
99% of the people here are anti-vax. Those who have different opinions are few and far between. It makes me chuckle when you and some others complain that Menagerie and I are allowed to express ours.
For the record, I think that your article about the Rockefeller’s making polio a major health crisis when it wasn’t is largely conspiracy theory. I am old enough to remember friends having polio, and visiting one who lived in an iron lung in her parents’ living room. To pretend that parents didn’t live in fear every summer of their kids getting such a serious disease is garbage. I have one friend who is now suffering repercussions in old age from having had polio as a child. It was real, and it was bad!
By the way, the Sabin vaccine was phased out because it used a live virus, and the incidence of polio had gotten so low that the chance of getting polio from the vaccine was greater than getting polio in the wild.
Aside from Covid vaccines, I don’t mind telling you that it makes me very angry when anti-vaxxers tell tall tales. Why? Because it scares people and results in children contracting illnesses when it is totally unnecessary. That is why diseases like whooping cough and measles are showing up again among babies who are too young to be vaccinated. And yes, measles can cause serious side effects and even death.
“It makes me chuckle when you and some others complain that Menagerie and I are allowed to express ours.”
To the contrary… I’ve applauded free speech and freedom of expression each time I’ve responded. What makes this different is each of these Patriots on the site respect SD. You are part of that representation… so you are held to the same standard. My apologies if you felt that you were not free to speak your mind. Many of us (me included) just happen to disagree with you. But that’s ok, right? One thing I do know is, you will be one that many of us will pray for… I pray you will be ok.. healthy and strong for many years. We just don’t know… and we just have way too much information which shows how evil this administration is.. which includes, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Gates etc. along with the mechanics of how they have introduced this gene therapy.
In the end, we all make our own choices. Regardless of how pro-vax you’ve expressed today..everyone is responsible for their own decisions and we must respect that..
And again, “Stella… not all vaccines are bad as you’ve stated. Some have been needed.” I agree with you on “tall tales”… but sorry, I haven’t read many on this post. My point if that was in reference to me, there is an opposing opinion for everything (polio link). I do hope you understood that. I never said that was my opinion. It was purely an example.
America is becoming very divided. Covid/ covid shot has provided that avenue for it to happen. Obama wanted us divided and now he sits in his basement pulling strings and directing the minions. I REFUSE TO FALL PREY. We ALL need to respect each other…I’m sure since you’re a participant here… you know what his objectives have and continue to be. Be well and strong.
Ask Aleksandra Rohde what she thinks. She says that Menagerie and I should either shut up and be neutral, or hide our Admin status. She has made two comments to that effect on this thread so far. Sorry, but I won’t comply!
As far as representing SD goes, I don’t think I’ve said anything that he disagrees with. Even so, we occasionally disagree although not usually in the threads. Do you really think that we could have worked together for more than 10 years without some disagreement, but total respect for one another? He has always backed up his Admin personnel and always will. PS: If you read all of the comments, you would know that not everybody respects him!
Thanks for the good wishes. Unfortunately, none of us will live forever, but up until recently life expectancy has continued to grow. Apparently those evil pharmaceutical companies have done something right! Do you really believe they want to kill us, the fatted calves?
Btw, I can’t understand why you would include a link that you didn’t agree with without saying so at the time. {I never said that was my opinion. It was purely an example.}
Yep, you guys have a great blog and work well together… I wasn’t saying that. You also have all right to speak up and voice your thoughts. We should all welcome your participation even if it goes against the grain of the majority your readers. “99% of the people here are anti-vax”
“Apparently those evil pharmaceutical companies have done something right! Do you really believe they want to kill us, the fatted calves?” There are extremes to everything, most certainly some pharma is awesome. Just not an experimental gene therapy put out on emergency basis which has never passed trial. Humans are now the trial. You promote the injection because of what you’ve read and believe. We comment on what we’ve read and believe. It’s really that simple. And, as you’ve stated 99% of your readers don’t support the injection when we have working therapeutics and a good survival rate. Something Fauci/Birx misrepresented… and we should trust them? Ha.. they couldn’t even get it right about the masks. But, then again I believe it was all part of the plan and a lot of money in vaccines.
Call it all conspiracy… just remember when Trump first stated that covid was manufactured in the Wuhan lab rather than jumping from a bat at the wet market… they called it conspiracy too.
Time is going to reveal all… the truth always comes out. In the interim, let’s all get along and respect each others opinions. One of us will be wrong in the end… I personally hope it’s the 99% here, but I don’t think so.
Stella, does it give you any pause when the inserts are blank and you have to sign a hold harmless?
I don’t understand the question.
If you are referring to signing something in order to get the vaccine, I didn’t.
I didn’t “promote” the Covid vaccination. I merely said that I chose to be vaccinated based upon my age and health situation. I also stated what I believe to be true, particularly when I think that false statements or myths are being promoted. Those are my opinions.
For instance, many believe that their chance of recovery from Covid is 99%. I don’t think it is for the old and sick, and I think that has to be stated. It’s important to see more than one opinion. While the single opinion blog may make people feel strong and right, if their opinion isn’t correct, it is okay to let that stand if you believe that it might be harmful? Should someone possibly become seriously ill or die because they believe something that isn’t true?
As a friend on Twitter said, he had decided not to get the jab. He says he’s 69 and thinks he is healthy “although I haven’t seen a doctor in years”. To me, that’s taking a chance. To him, it’s just fine. He wasn’t insulted when I expressed my opinion.
I don’t think I have been offensive towards anybody here, unless they think that having a different opinion is offensive.
In this case, defensive might be more appropriate.
Like you, you mean?
Touche Stella! We’ve hit the wall now. American is divided.
I’m happy for you that you’ve made the right decision for yourself. I’m also happy that you feel you’re in the position to give advice to your contributors and be the guardian of your perceptive truth. Your privilege.
Call me defensive.. that’s my privilege. I lost a father twenty years ago because of a vaccine he was given when he and my mother went to Asia. 105 doctors later…he died. For five years I watched him suffer and die right before my eyes. Subcutaneous nodules which made him go blind, debilitating weakness, fevers, tremendous weight loss.. all to result in autoimmune. Don’t even try to analyze this one… you’d be ahead of the hundred doctors and over fifty hospitals. And yes, it was the vaccine, so please don’t insult my intelligence and challenge this one. It’s Russian Roulette.. you don’t know how your body will react to any injection. My privilege to challenge the covid gene therapy. I’ve earned every word I choose to write.
He was healthy.. no meds no comorbidity… nada. Sixty eight years old, in shape and had the world by it’s tail. Boom.
Life can change on a dime… My trust is in God. No injection.. no re-write of the perfect genetic code he wrote into my DNA.
Blacklist me too… because I find you confrontational without sensitivity. Plus, you’ll save me a lot of money.
God Bless you, Mark and and the entire crew.
I’m going to keep you in my prayers… stay healthy and strong.
I’m sorry you lost your father. If it was a vaccine injury then I can see why you are defensive. It is nevertheless important that you are also correct about what you say.
I had a nephew who, if he had had a measles vaccination, would have avoided contracting measles-related encephalitis and permanent damage to his eyesight.
Vaccines are neither 100% effective or safe. No medical device, surgical procedure or medication is 100% safe or effective. In fact, nothing in life is. I had a friend who died in surgery while having his tonsils removed due to anesthesia. He left a wife and three young children.
Of course you will make decisions for yourself, and I respect your right to do so. We all must do that, and face the consequences, good or bad.
I remember when my mother turned down surgery for a faulty heart valve. She was in her 80’s and decided to live out what life she had left without the risk of surgery. It was her decision, and I’m not sure I would have made the same one. However, she did so with full and correct information, and died several years later from heart failure.
PS: I won’t blacklist you for expressing your opinions as long as it is done politely, but I won’t stop telling you that I think you are wrong if I believe that you are. If your feelings are hurt then so be it. There are plenty here who are confrontational and insensitive. I don’t think that I am, but I have just as much right to express my opinions as anyone else here.
Thank you for your condolences.
If it’s any help about your Mom, my mother recently passed also. She suffered from congestive heart failure, misdiagnosed from a Cape Coral dr. When we got her up to Chicago, she immediately opted for the mitraclip surgery. It was risky at her age.. they ran all tests imaginable to make sure she was a candidate. She was game, she actually said what other options do I have? 90 year old. She died five days later, massive bleed on the brain. She made it beautifully through the 7 hour surgery. It was the protocol that killed her, plavix and eliquis.. they’ve since changed the protocol at this particular hospital.
My point.. when God calls us home, we go. No escape: surgery, no surgery, vaccine,no vaccine etc.
We make the best call at the time. Experience/knowledge and trust is what dictates. We ALL should be allowed to challenge when we think it’s incorrect info.. But, at this point we both can find supporting documentation to substantiate our “factual” positions. I’d be happy to read any link you find regarding an untruth that I’ve stated. Truth can be a matter of perspective according to Gandi and Dr. Martin Luther King. No absolutes. Truth is the universal term that determines the authenticity of anything and everything. Someone else’s perspective of what they feel is the truth could affect everything, for their word is just as powerful whether it is right or wrong.
I agree in civil discourse, I hope we have all grown in reading this posts comments.
Allowing people to say what they are feeling… regardless of our own perception of what the truth is… only time will determine what, how and why the mRNA injection will play out. I believe there isn’t one person who has taken the time to comment on this post, who doesn’t care about this outcome. Some say it more eloquently but the conviction is there.
Cancel culture is everywhere.. I hope shades don’t creep into the Treehouse.
It is kind of nice to have debate on these kind of topics. If I want consensus and groupthink their is always the Huff Po and NYT.
May the best argument win. So many good citations and sites here that I never would have found myself.
And I’m sure if you knew you’d mention that that same polio vaccine in the mid 50s to early 60s was contaminated with a cancer causing virus in its manufacture
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15120442-400-science-polio-vaccine-linked-to-cancer/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10472327/
All medical interventions come with risks.
I’m 65, no comorbidities other than in remission from breast cancer for 2 years. I’m very protective of my immune system. When the choice is between vitamins and ivermectin or a so-called vaccine that is EUA with no long term safety data, I’d choose ivermectin any day.
I did know about the virus contamination from 1955 to 1961, although it has not been linked to increases in cancer in humans.
I agree that all medical interventions come with risks. I also agree that each person should make his/her own decision whether or not to be vaccinated for Covid-19, and that the decision should be honored by others. It is a risk/benefit analysis that only you, or I, can make.
It is painful to post facts about adverse events from the shots in reply to someone who has already had the vaccine. No one wants to make anyone feel badly. Nevertheless, this is very serious now and they are trying to force children -even babies- to take the vaccine. There needs to be open discussion, freedom of speech and expression.
There is a great deal of factual information from world-renowned physicians out there that supports the comments against this shot and it is quite possible that some people here may know more than others.
I am old but this is for the children. For some reason, the old Cat Stevens song, Father and Son popped into my head.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&ei=UTF-8&p=i+am+old+tea+for+the+tillerman+lyrics&type=E211US0G91477#id=2&vid=459f9861df4088fd4eb6535aeafd7991&action=view
Life is not without risk. I think that the vaccines for children is probably a bad idea. Vaccines for old and sick people is probably a good idea. Risk/benefit analysis is what it takes, and it has to take place on an individual basis.
I have been vaccinated, and facts about adverse events doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t make me “feel bad”.
Risk/benefit analysis can only in the end be done by each of us. We get to make the choice. Just as I am very disturbed and angry about undue pressure on people to take this vaccine, I also get sick of people’s judgement about those people who do get vaccinated.
I support individual choice and I do not agree with blanket statements condemning others for exercising that right. I’m damned tired is seeing it actually.
Thank you Stella. I’ve had my 1st shot, no problem at all. My next one is August 4th.
I had my second shot on March 30.
Conversely, those who have chosen not to participate in the drug companies’ grand experiments should not be vilified by the guinea pigs who volunteered and should not be required to disclose their personal, private choice.
I agree not to criticize you as long as you don’t characterize my choice as “participating in the drug companies’ grand experiments” or as a “guinea pig”.
I don’t vilify anybody’s individual choice. Apparently you do.
Why?
This is way over my head, but at least it is being investigated.
Is This a Possible COVID Vaccine Antidote?
https://thefreedomarticles.com/covid-vaccine-antidote-pine-needle-tea-suramin-inhibits-dna-rna-replication/
I have read about pine needle tea, but there has to be an organized study done on it. It may contain a complex of active substances, kind of like vitamin E is just one of the tocopherols, and it’s better to take the complex. There might also be toxic substances in pine needles that need to be extracted out.
The tea or dried herbal material has to be standardized. Other candidates such as legacy drugs need to be included in the study.
The study has to be conducted in a rigorous way so that statistical methods can be applied to the data. Without statistical analysis, we are in old wives’ tales and urban legend territory.
Interesting possibility. Yew tree bark was once used to create medicine to treat breast and ovarian cancer. Now a synthetic version of the bark is used. I don’t see why pine needles could not be investigated as an antidote for the C19 vaccines.
The movie Medicine Man comes to mind…
Won’t happen unless they figure a way to own and profit from it. A President could change that for a crisis but we don’t have one of those at the moment.
perhaps this will help in the interim:
https://niapurenaturecom.wordpress.com/2021/02/15/how-covid-19-vaccines-may-destroy-the-lives-of-millions-2/
It appears that idiopathic thrombotic thrombocytopenia and neurological symptoms will require treatment. The mRNA’s voluminous injection of spike proteins that get into the circulatory system and cross the blood brain barrier appear to be in the lead as suspects for vax adverse side effects/complications.
Yep. I take Ivermectin myself.
This isn’t good, Fed Judge sides w/Houston Hospital. Since when did Doctors solely get to decide what is the best for the patient? It used to be a patient/doctor decision.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-judge-sides-houston-hospitals-020713664.html
In Texas, it will be appealed, pronto.
I hope so.
I remember that under a previous governor the HPV vaccine was made mandatory – then fought. Yet just last week my youngest, who doesn’t have a vagina, paid for a Doctor appointment only to be strong armed to get that same vaccine, which is considered safe in government literature but we know that it is not – anecdotal but overwhelming.
Forgot to say – that was TEXAS.
I don’t think the HPV vaccine should be mandatory, but you don’t have to have a vagina in order to contract the virus and to pass it on to others. Have you ever heard of genital warts? That’s the HPV doing its thing on your penis.
I’ll say what I like, when I like. What I said here is fact, so what is your problem? I am calm, but you are obviously not calm or you wouldn’t make a comment like that.
It isn’t acceptable to address another commenter here in that manner – any commenter.
I know there are times when you are angry and want to strike at someone. I feel like that sometimes too, but I don’t, and neither should you.
I’m not going to be told something like that by you or anyone else, here or in real life. Bye, Scarletto.
Guess that “My body my choice doesn’t apply in this situation”
Yes it does. Find a new job.
I could perhaps understand such a ruling if it involved a long-tested, common drug, but conflating that scenario with the shots for for COVID is ridiculous. They are EUA only… And there is NO EMERGENCT!
I have not read any article that refers to a hearing. Did the judge make his decision without hearing evidence?
This Yahoo story is misleading and typical of so much of the crap reporting we see these days. The employees of Houston Methodist Hospital sued based on “wrongful termination” and the judge said the termination was permitted under the law. It said nothing about whether the Hospital has the right to force someone to get the jab. That is a whole different issue.
In my view, these employees should get another attorney since the one they had failed to recognize that in general U.S. Labor Law is based on “employment at will” which means that in general you can be fired for any reason or no reason at all (as long as you don’t violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act).
That is so lame. Do you think that if the hospital required all pregnant employees to get abortions or be terminated it would be allowed? Would it be allowed if they required all employees to take dangerous experimental medications to be sure they don’t have TB, even if their TB tests come back negative.
Demanding we turn our immediate focus to changing a law that clearly was not intended to allow employers to terminate employees based on their personal health habits is just lame.
Coming back and pointing out that…yeah, well that’s your point…is even more lame. Clearly, there are some who see this as an opportunity to change a law they don’t like…at the expense of peoples lives. Shameful.
Someone just sent me this one.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/judge-dismisses-lawsuit-over-hospital-s-vaccine-requirement/ar-AAKZabn?ocid=msedgntp
Ah, yes, Lynn Hughes, the skirt chaser from South Texas College of Law……
Charging $1500 extra for those that are not vaccinated, and good luck finding a doctor that will sign off on an ADA disability excuse. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/college-charging-1-500-fee-123800837.html
“Beware of the false prophets, [teachers] who come to you dressed as sheep [appearing gentle and innocent], but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Matthew 7:15
Fauci for sure
Pence
These people have lied and tried to manipulate everyone for years. This virus was man made and released intentionally. We were being told it was accidental and came from a wet market in Wuhan until just recently when Fauci’s emails were released. Now they want everyone to take their made in record time vaccine and are offering incentives to do so????????
This reminds me of Jones town (if your not familiar look it up). 918 people died only 2 survived. I’m not drinking the kool-aid!
Must have been a coincidence that the DEMS Let it continue in 2017 just before Trump was taking office. Can just imagine the frenzy of the DEMS to get the virus released prior to Trumps reelection. They were able to get election rules changed to benefit their candidates. Follow the timeline and it starts making sense.
It just proves that Obama, in alliance with Fauci and the CCP, knew exactly what was coming and what would cause maximum damage to the American people. They sacrificed innocent American citizens as well as citizens of the world to regain power and control. Evil truly lives in their hearts.
Our leaders have no problem with rationalizing the need to accept some “collateral damage” in a war. I can almost hear him saying, “See if you can make it kill mostly old people or “folks” who are already sick.”
RINOs worked with them.
IT IS CALLED A POLITICAL CULT.
I do not know yet how to create a new thread with related content on this site, but no big deal. There are previous reports that the VAERS is only used by about 10% percent or less, as it is not well known of. I only learned of it through the Weston Price Foundation, and I think RF Kennedy Jr.
Seems like another lifetime ago, but was introduced to Clif High by CAFitts. He used to put out ALTA reports re a predictive linguistic methodology. He was my “go to guy” for information long before I knew of the CTH.
Greg Hunter @ USA Watchdog today posted a new interview with him tonight. Think it might be Clif’s first in 4 years. It’s a long one but time WELL SPENT. Vaxxed or NOT.
Love to all.
https://usawatchdog.com/vaxxxidents-dark-agenda-chaos-biden-admin-collapse-clif-high/
If you listened to the Clif High interview, I think you will get why I am posting this song as dorky as it is. I’ve learned from Dr. Mercola all sun exposure is basically cancelled when you jump in water, I think until 8 hours later. If Bill Gates and his crew have their way, there will NEVER be an unadulterated sun anymore. So many ways to reduce the “surplus population.”
Have a good “Sunday.” 🙂
Why aren’t we talking about the fact that it was our President Trump who was pretty much responsible for getting the vax out there in the first place?
Do we not trust our President when he recommends it?
Also, what about the MILLIONS of people who have gotten the shot with no problems? Do we just ignore that?
I haven’t gotten the jab and am not planning on doing so for medical and other reasons but I think we have to look at both sides of this.
I just find it hard to believe that hundreds of millions of people are going to die or get sick from the vax.
Color me confused.
There is some or a lot of confirmation bias in this topic, on both sides of the issue.
Dan- glad you see my point.
I continue to have tremendous faith in our President Trump and he is one of the only reasons I have any good feelings about the shot.
Because Pres. Trump is a germaphobe maybe he is easily manipulated by the medical flimflam guys.
And maybe he knows more than you do about the risk/benefits of both the disease and the vaccines.
I agree with Seneca: What about the MILLIONS of people who have gotten the shot with no problems? Do we just ignore that?
No vaccine is 100% effective or 100% safe. I have been vaccinated, and made my decision to do so based on my age and medical situation. I believe that was the correct decision FOR ME.
By all means, make that decision for yourself, but not even President Trump would presume to tell you what you the individual should do. Don’t presume that anyone who does decide to be vaccinated is ignorant or stupid or simple (as some have done here).
>What about the MILLIONS of people who have gotten the shot with no problems? Do we just ignore that?
Who says that.
It can be difficult to link vaccines with later auto-immune disorders when the regulatory agenices, pharmaceutical industry, and medical fields are hell bent on preventing that association from being made because it would implicate them.
But you can look at the way the injection is supposed to work (turn human cells into producers of a spike protein fragment, to mimic actual COVID, with no explicit off-switch) and see how that translates to the rest of the body.
For COVID, the main test will be the next cold/flu season, when exposure to natural virus will trigger whatever has been done to a person’s immune system. They will blame it on “variants”, something that is starting now.
For prior attempts at vaccines since 2000, the test animals died given subsequent natural exposure as their senisitized immune sysetms went into over-stimulated over-drive and killed them in response to the natural coronavirus.
No evidence was provided by vacciner makers that the the COVID-19 shots thrown together in 8 months have overcome this problem that failed all prior attempts.
After the next year, the next step will be long-term auto-immune disorders that will manifest, like multiple-sclerosis.
I was puzzled how all the new hires coming from colleges nowadays seem to have chronic health problems. They go on and on about their celiac disease, Crone’s disease, and endless list of things they are allergic to, like peanuts (just a coincidence that peanut oil was part of some vaccinations).
When I was a kid, this was unheard of so the change was baffling. Why is everyone so sick? Then I found out how the new generation is getting pumped up with dozens of vaccinations … as if they have no immune system at all and require pharmaceutical companies to provide them with one so they can live. And that’s what they end up needing.
By the way, the polio vaccine didn’t end polio. Prior to 1956, anyone who had muscle weakness for 24 hours was diagnosed with polio. But after the vaccine was introduced, the criteria was changed to require a minimum of 60 days for diagnoses. Polio cases plunged.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/polio-vaccine-seldom-told-true-story-dr-janey-little
This is similar to what is being done with the absurd PCR tests used for COVID; the number of “amplifications” has been reduced to 28 for people who have been vaccinated, while the unvaccinated have their samples amplified 35-45 times. So the number of cases for vaccinated plunge, while unvaccinated don’t.
If the 28-cycles criteria had always been used, there never would have been a pandemic.
I really don’t think you understand how evil these people are.
I think you are terribly misinformed.
If he had a firm handle on the whole pandemic issue, he would have fired Fauci as soon as he was informed about the guy.
He got bamboozled into signing off on a whole slew of absolutely horrible NPIs.
People want to argue that he did not, but unless there were two President Donald J. Trumps, yes he did.
Sadly, you cannot really say with “no problems” after only 6 months of actual administration. Decades later and we still cannot say which vaccines have lead to increased instances of autism in young people that continue today. The government still denies any and all links to the two.
This may be the government push that causes all parents to take a serious look at their unvaccinated children–not just “the jab” but all mandated vaccines. Allergies, asthma, autism, bipolar disorders could all be the result of adverse reactions to vaccines but no Pharma company has truly researched it. Vaccines are far too lucrative to take that chance.
I’m not sure that Fauci is so enchanted with the money. I think (after watching him at the podium last year) he is much more interested in the fame and adoration that he had a year ago. He wants that back. His “denials” to Congress prove that he either has no clue what he is talking about, realizes that something went awry and is trying to protect those in the WHO who were in leadership positions and absolutely wrong, or (in my opinion, the most likely reason) he fancies himself the ultimate medical master, keeper of all knowledge of disease and suffering and is merely awaiting the world’s designation of him as St. Fauci, the new savior of the world.
President Trump got so much conflicting advice from both sides of the spectrum. I wish that he had realized that Fauci and Birx were longtime CDC embeds and really didn’t care about the American people as long as they got what they wanted. Usually President Trump’s instincts were spot on but this plandemic caught him totally off guard. Who could have imagined the degree of evil that would inflict such suffering on the people of the world?
One of the most overused and abused talking points in recent history is that January 6th was a day of infamy much worse than Pearl Harbor or 9/11. I submit that is was January 9th that was the real day of infamy and it wasn’t 2021 but 2017. History should judge this Obama authorized plot for what it is. Not reason but treason. (BTW, it does help explain HR1 of the 116th Congress and the link between Pelosi and Obama)
There are no studies that have proven a link between vaccines and autism. By assuming (as you are doing) that the cause is vaccines, you have ruled out any other possible causes. I can think of a few. For example, one of the things that has proliferated at the same time as the increase in autism is wireless communications. Most of us are surrounded by wireless signals: Our cell phones, wireless networks at home, work, and in stores and shops.
How do we know for sure that wireless networks aren’t damaging babies during gestation? There was one study that I know of done at Harvard that suggests that there is something to it.
https://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-phoneswireless/autism-adhd-wireless-electromagnetic-fields/
This isn’t the only possible cause under study, either. Here’s another (brain proteins and mitochondrial malfunction):
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/clues-autisms-origins
There is a plethora of “information” from anti-vaxxers, but if you choose to do so, you can find a lot on of information that shoots down much of what they are peddling.
Having lived and worked alongside many with a foot in 2 nations I also know that other nations that use the exact same vaccines and pharmaceutical pills as US, don’t allow the same toxic ingredients in their national versions of the same name brand medicines. This is a truth to be silenced as well as muddying the waters for those seeking a pharmaceutical culprit. It is also not beyond the realm of possibility that there are multiple “tiers ” of the same Rx in one nation. Some wish to believe that Fauci was injected with saline rather than Covid-19 vaccine because the next day he didn’t even have a sore arm and couldn’t remember which arm was vaxxed. Could have been a higher quality version of the vaccine. So many variables, so little time! The gloves are off. Human life is very cheap these days. That’s OK. Please keep up presenting the other POV.
And yet the population keeps growing and people live longer on average.
Yes it’s hard to trust anything the Government says at this point.
It’s coming Seneca, as far as blaming the Jab on Trump. He (Trump) pushed the therapeutics not the Jab lets keep history straight.
Trump pushed both therapeutics and the shot. He touts the latter far more than the former these days. It’s not a good look.
I really wish he’d stop talking about the vaccine.
Not just me. I have talked to so many Trump supporters, who love him dearly, who say the same thing.
Indeed.
I saw in one news conference he said he wished he never brought up hydroxychloroquine because just him mentioning it made every Trump hater attack it.
I can’t even imagine what President Trump was put through. I doubt there’s many, if any, who could have withstood what he did and be as successful as he was.
Yes, and given how effective they are its illegal to develop a vaccine in the first place, let alone widely deploy it, let alone force it on anyone.
And that’s probably why they suppressed them. There’s no money to be made or power to be grabbed through the use of readily available, inexpensive treatments.
Just because only a tiny fraction of the millions who got the shots reported adverse events in VAERS, doesn’t mean that there are not widespread adverse events that may signify worse than just “temporary discomfort” after the shot.
The overwhelming majority do not make it into VAERS. Many are lingering long after the shot. This may be a sign of serious harm that could lead to more long-term problems and deaths.
The adverse events largely fit the pattern associated with the known harm mechanisms of the shots: Vascular and blood; inflammation and autoimmune; organs and neuro tissues attacked by the immune system over-response to the spike protein antigen concentrations resulting from the shots.
Not only that, but most drugs – tested ones at that – are pulled off the market with only 50 deaths in VAERS. The COVID shots have well over 5000.
It is a matter of risk/benefit analysis. In the case of Covid, millions have apparently died over a short time period. That isn’t the case with most other diseases that are treated with vaccines, such as measles.
Another similar situation would be the polio vaccine. When I was a little girl, summer was a time of anxiety for parents, because of the great numbers of children who were struck with polio, some dying, many suffering permanent paralysis. I was one of the children who took part in the vaccine trial of the Salk vaccine, which ultimately saved the health and lives of millions of children.
Do you recall that there was a terrible mix-up with some of the vaccine produced (live vaccine wasn’t killed in some of it), causing many children to contract the disease? Look up the “Cutter incident”.
The fact that there was an incident where the vaccine did harm rather than good doesn’t erase the FACT that the Salk vaccine ultimately saved millions. The cause of the problem was identified and corrected.
I don’t recall thousands of deaths from other vaccines in a short time period. I dont recall other vaccines bypassing all safety protocols. I don’t recall indemnification of everyone involved in the creation and distribution of other vaccines. I don’t recall those other diseases being lied about or having their treatments suppressed by authorities.
One can support Trump in general but oppose in particular. While the idea of Warp Speed was noble, those charged with its execution, and the result, were not.
Trump is not a scientist and is a known germaphope. His judgement in this instance was lacking. Trying for a vaccine was a decent goal. Touting it as a savior and way back to normal was not.
I’ll bet President Trump knows more about the subject than you do. You don’t know whether his judgement is lacking or not.
Are you a scientist or a virologist? Do you have all of the facts, or just know what you read on the internet?
An ad hominem non-argument..
He knows what Pfizer told him.
Pfizer, btw, is the reason Bobby Jr. never got to head the vaccine safety committee that President-elect Trump asked him to announce.
RFK Jr. held a press conference and was then left hanging.
Trust me on this.
My lib family can’t believe I’m not getting the jab because PT is for it. I said I’m a supporter, not a robot. They of course would do whatever the Dems said.?
First, President Trump is the greatest president we have ever had, but he is not a god and he makes mistakes (Sessions, Pence, Wray etc.). He is not a medical researcher.
Second, some believe that what was planned for us was worse and Trump cut them (Gates, Fauci, Obama, DS) off at the pass. Some say they planned a five year lockdown giving them time to develop an approved vaccine which they could then legally mandate for all humans. The approved vaccine would still cull the herd.
This is what the Malthusians (Bill Gates) and the Global Warming-is-an-existential-threat people (Greta Thunberg, etc) want. They mean what they say, they intend to cull the herd. In the words of Ebenezer Scrooge, “reduce the surplus population.” They want the earth’s population to be about 500,000 people.
Of course, they see themselves as part of the 500,000 people that get to live.
So, President Trump by rushing and forcing Operation Warp speed made them make mistakes and do it poorly. Yes, people are dying but not as many as would have died their way. This is war and as serious as it can get.
Maybe millions who have received the vaccine and have not died will die in the next few years (some say they will be hit with an immune response, a cytokine storm, when they are exposed to the next normal flu season. ) These new deaths will be too remote from the time they got the shot to prove causation, and will likely be blamed on some new variant of Covid 19 which will require further booster shots and so on.
A number of people I know who took the shot, did so because they thought it would end the anxiety they feel, the uncertainty and fear over Covid. But already now that they are vaccinated, they are feeling greater anxiety about future side effects and so on. People have got to take a deep breath and step off the merry-go-round.
In the past, they pulled the Swine flu vaccine after 25 deaths were reported. Here we have on their own website over 5000 deaths.
Yahoo finance says CDC is holding an emergency meeting June 18th over the side effect of the inflamed heart side effect from the vaccine.
And that’s why, if I am still here in 2 years, I may consider taking the vaccine at that time.
It could be poor quality control in which some get more poison and some get less?
DJT may know a lot of things but he was surrounded by many who had other agendas and did not serve him well. I believe he was surrounded by gatekeepers who recommended he retain the supposed “experts”at NIH, CDC-Fauci, Redfield, Birx. He and we were poorly served by this. Thank God for Peter Navarro!
The psychological damage done by the federal and state non stop false positive PCR testing and case reporting coupled with the mandatory (ineffective) masking exacerbated by the agencies failure to recommend any guidance for outpatient treatment and prophylaxis (Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, Zinc supplements, quercetin) outright manipulation of science to outlaw both HCQ and Ivermecin point to a darker purpose. Those in the medical field understood that if there were effective treatments there would be no “emergency” to justify “Emergency Use Authorization” for experiment on the general public with remdesivir for treatment and the mrna biologics for prophylaxis.
Treatment evolved over time as real treating doctors treated real patients. Now, IMO, all vaccines should be halted. The US can look to Mexico and India, as suggested by FLCCC’s Pierre Kory, MD, for effective prophylaxis and early treatment using Ivermectin and other supplements. If DJT had doctors like Marik, Korry, McCullogh, Risch, Zelensky, Immanuel, Gold advising him I don’t believe we would have had as many Covid19 deaths. We could have had an HCQ program like Africa and stopped this virus in its tracks. Today, we could offer Ivermectin and stop the virus in its tracks. Both of these drugs have decades long history of safe use. Now, we have the research showing effective off label use of both drugs to treat Covid19 now.
DJT seemed to understand just how psychologically debilitating the covid 19 Psyop was to the overall American psyche. He did all he could to get the word out about alternative treatments but was stymied at every turn. He continued to look for solutions to save lives and livelihoods. Perhaps, military intelligence DOD researchers have both animal research data and long term studies to show safety of mRNA and that is why DJT pushed vaxes. (Here’s the military formula now companies go manufacture it). Nonetheless, under Emergency Use label, the federal government cannot mandate public vaccination. Thus, DJT’s strategy to accelerate experimental vaxes allowed the public to choose. Without a vaccine, the tyrannical governors would have continued their destructive lockdown policies. Deaths from Covid were dropping steeply before vaccines began. (manipulating the PCR cycles for covid testing once Bidet was sworn in helped decrease the case numbers, too). The anxious, weary and terrified public could feel comfortable “returning to normal” by taking this mRNA. Thankfully, Reiner Fullmich has some Fauci emails he can use in his lawsuit for crimes against humanity.
I don’t blame Trump for this. Instead, I blame the drug companies who decided to use COVID as an excuse to test their mRNA experimentation on the public. In theory, mRNA is an interesting concept – they have been experimenting with this technology for some time, in cancer research, to have antibodies seek out and destroy cancer cells only. I also blame the political system that derailed hydroxychloroquine treatment. To THIS day, if you get COVID, more often than not they send you home without any medication and tell you to stay in bed for 5 days. Considering the millions of people who have taken the vaccine, perhaps the ratio of injections to deaths isn’t all that alarming. Remember, this is a clinical trial, even though it’s global. People should have been advised that they were signing up for an experimental clinical trial, so that they could be informed as to whether or not to join in. This has never been about a virus – it has always been about politics and societal change.
Also the media. They create a panic / hysteria that demanded some kind of response.
Yes the media is ALL about fear and is fake news. President Trump toid all of us the media was fake news. However, when they told us fake numbers about the pandemic everyone believed them. We never saw people dropping dead in the streets during the “pandemic”. Look at the homeless camps…..bodies were not found everywhere.
Logic was completely thrown out the windows. Even our medical professionals lied to us.
I don’t understand why so many people live in fear and will take an experimental drug. Even to go so far as injecting there children for a disease that had a 98.5 survival rate.
Read the waiver you have to sign to take one of these jabs……you are accepting full responsibilities.
We have been lied too. How many more times will we believe FAKE NEWS?
The possibility of racial targeting in research has been discussed in some areas – MERS was designed to target middle eastern populations, SARS was designed for eastern Asian populations. Who knows? Or the videos of people dropping dead from China were of a different variant? Variants and racial composition isn’t being discussed except for the woke the virus is racist people and if the creators are racial targeting perhaps this claim should not be dismissed.
Ivermectin and HCQ are available through
https://speakwithanmd.com/americasfrontlinedoctors/
For full treatment protocol:
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf
I’m not a doctor.
Instead of facing yet another in a long list of potential impeachments, IMO PDT chose to avoid this one because of fear of losing his job. Maybe he was just wrong and believed mRNA would work, although that is doubtful due to his intelligence. Since mRNA does mess with the DNA as the science indicates, over time all people on the planet will have their DNA changed from what ordinarily would have occurred. In other words, all people have been subjected willingly and unwillingly to being changed by evil doers who decided to play God. PDT, who I support, helped that to happen. Just being real here. He may have foreseen there was no way to stop it since the rest of the world was going to take it. But he did nothing to prevent it.
Jane – physicians prescribe prednisone or similar as the protocol if you catch the virus to see if you will heal without additional treatment if in the early stages. If they also prescribed Ivermectin at the same time or in a follow-up visit – the patient would likely be healed. But the government, Big Pharma and many sheep in the medical industry fought against its use as well as HCQ. They would rather subject the people to their global experiment than actually cure the disease and save lives.
I am currently in the EU. The ‘protocol’ here, for COVID, is to send you home, tell you to stay in bed for 5 days, and if no improvement (often, by then, this has morphed into pneumonia) then you are sent to a hospital. As the system here is socialized, there is no ability to find a doctor who will go against the ‘accepted’ protocol. I am an American citizen, and understand that the situation in the US is far different, and a patient has much more of an ability to be pro-active in their medical care.
I am not sure whether Trump knew what pharma companies were going to provide as a vaccine – I would suspect that it was assumed that something akin to the yearly flu shot, which is, in itself, a vaccine, was going to be what was offered. Just my opinion, of course.
Yes, the thing I worry about more than the shot is WHY there has been so much of a push for everyone to get this vaccine, even to the point of firing people who refuse to get it. I understand there are millions in this country who are still petrified at the thought of getting covid so I guess that is why some are so angry when people refuse the shot. But is that the only reason? Did they really convince people that covid is going to kill us all? That’s hard to think so many people would be so easily misled.
And the question then is….why be ‘petrified’ of a virus that has a 98% overall survival rate?? The answer, I suspect, is that the messenger media (as well as other messengers) have been instructed to instill this fear.
Keep in mind that if you are older or have certain physical conditions, your projected survival rate isn’t 98%. Average death rate for males over 80, for example, is greater than 10%. If you have a condition like coronary disease, your chance of dying is in excess of 10% – more like 13%. Increased death rates are seen when you have hypertension, diabetes, pulmonary disorders (COPD) etc. the 98% or 99% figures you see are for young, healthy, people.
Only if you don’t take medications used safely for decades. If you do the odds of death from the experimental jab is far higher.
That is absolutely not true about the odds of death from vaccination. The medications you take for coronary artery disease, hypertension etc. don’t make your diseases go away; they just control them to a certain degree.
Well America’s Frontline Doctors disagree with you. You might check out their website. Everything l stated is extensively documented from many and diverse sources.
I can find their website. Do you have a link to the information that the odds of death from vaccination are greater than the disease itself? I believe you may have misinterpreted the data, or it was referring to children or young people.
Please see my response to you above wherein I cited to Dr. Peter McCullough of Baylor University’s video. He no longer recommends the vaccine due to the risks it poses.
There is an ex-Pfizer executive with a video regarding the relative risks from Covid v. the risks from the vaccine.https://theredelephants.com/ex-pfizer-vice-president-covid-19-vaccines-to-cause-mass-depopulation-event-within-2-years/
Ditto for Pierre Kory, MD FLCCC.
I did find this:
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/covid-19-vaccine-myths-debunked/
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/03/coronavirus-claims-pfizer-s-vaccine-is-more-dangerous-than-covid-19-itself-debunked.html
It is ironic that you cite to extreme establishment cites like Mayo clinic and the pharmaceutical companies for your debunking because these sites would never approve of Conservative Treehouse.
I’m sure that’s your opinion. Why don’t you try to find a source that is to your liking but that might not agree with you on everything? I’m not going to even try to please you.
I don’t think my response was ironic at all.
I think you misunderstood spaul’s response to you. Spaul was not referring to medications you take for CAD or hypertension, he was talking about medications used to treat Covid 19 such as HCQ which has been around for 50 years, and Invermectin, and Prednisone and Vitamin D, C, Quercetin, Zinc and Azithromycin (Z-pack). These are medications that have been around for a long time that are being successfully used to treat Covid 19.
America’s Frontline Physicians have a great deal of information available, as does Dennis Prager who has been featuring physicians who have treated Covid amazingly successfully. Also, find Dr. Peter McCullough on line. He is world-renowned and the most published physician in peer review journals in American. He has a recent video where he indicates he can no longer recommend the vaccine due to the current death rates. https://www.bitchute.com/video/8QjAE3CdTbOF/
Possibly you are right about the meds. His comment wasn’t at all clear, and he didn’t respond to my request for more information. I have nothing against the drugs being used to treat Covid. In fact, I am in favor. I don’t think that their use erases the increased risk of death from age and physical infirmities, like heart disease, hypertension, COPD etc.
I suspect that much (or even most) of the percentages that you refer to are inclusive of death rates with comorbities, or ratings that were initially given (ie, dying from a heart attack, being tested for COVID post mortem, testing positive and being considered a COVID death. The fact that the CDC has dropped their ‘covid only’ death rate to about 6% of fatalities, would change your perception considerably. Additionally, the fact that few people are getting medication prior to hospitalization, impacts the figures. I suspect that, due to the agenda that is being pushed with this illness, the numbers are greatly magnified.
That’s a lot of data soup! The fact is, co-morbidities definitely influence your chances of dying from Covid. If you aren’t convinced, then of course you will do what you think is best for you.
We know that the elderly and sick die at a greater rate. That shouldn’t be a surprise. Yes, the percentages are included in average death rates, which doesn’t mean that a certain part of the population doesn’t die at a much greater rate than average.
Please cite sources for your death rates from Covid.
Here’s one:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163
More (comorbidities):
https://medicospace.com/covid-19-fatality-rate-by-comorbidity/
Covid deaths in the U.S. by age
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
Why are those who are vaccinated, and must assume that they are safe, so angry about others who don’t chooose to get it? How are they adversely affected by the non-vaccinated? Same with the mask mandate. If they work, they use them and feel safe. Other peoples’ refusal should not affect the wearer.
Completely agree, Margaret.
I certainly am not angry, but I think it’s important to point inconsistencies, myths, or outright untruths, and to suggest that it isn’t nice to call those who are vaccinated “sheep”, “stupid” or “simple”.
We vaxxed people have just as much right to voice our opinions as do the anti-vaxxers (the majority here).
If you want to discuss facts, I’m all for it. I’m not in favor of mandates, by the way. I am in favor of being polite and allowing others to make decisions for themselves without being called names or otherwise insulted.
Herd immunity carrot.
Fear is an extremely powerful tool.
As is intimidation.
Anyone follow soccer / Euro 2020?
Yesterday Christian Eriksen (Denmark) collapsed on the field and needed a ‘heart massage’ (CPR).
A 29 year old, healthy (assuming) physically fit/ trained guy just collapses.
Wonder if anyone will ask the question. ?
He seems to have been recently vaccinated
Thanks. Was looking for that.
Reuters is now saying he was never vaccinated
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/eriksens-former-cardiologist-says-he-had-no-history-heart-concerns-2021-06-13/
Reuters is totally corrupt
News reported the same about another celebrity person (the boxer?) who died suddenly following vaccination. First one of his friends said he has been vaccinated days before. Then, there was a big push to contradict and deny that.
Why would I be skeptical? Because there is a big push to force professional athletes to take the shots.
I am looking for information about Danish team. Anyone with connections in Denmark?
Here is PR push from the Pacific Northwest :
https://www.soundersfc.com/post/2021/04/29/sounders-fc-announces-team-fully-vaccinated-partners-virginia-mason-franciscan
NFL pressure:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/do-fans-media-have-the-right-to-know-about-players-vaccination-status-191919830.html
What’s this? Denmark asserting that all their athletes would be fully vaccinated by July 1st? Info is several paragraphs down.
Article is about Olympic athletes, not that specific soccer team — but sounds like the Danish management was pushing Covid jab hard:
“No queue jumping, says IOC chief”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29W16L
And whats this about Milan?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.firstpost.com/sports/italy-players-receive-first-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-ahead-of-european-championships-9589191.html/amp
Can somebody skillful save the Firstpost report of Milan taking the shots in May, in preparation for the European championships?
These people are such shameless paid *liars*
And watch out for these guys also, when football season begins. If there are incidents, this info will be suppressed
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/college/2021/05/13/college-football-covid-vaccines-teams
“In college football, the push for vaccination is on”
Including Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Navy (at least 90%)
Tennessee, Oregon State and Troy (around 50%)
Charlotte, clemson and Ole Miss are below 20%.
WOW!!!
How long before VAERS gets shut down?
Maybe it will get “hacked”!
Some may observe:
VAERS is left operating because the authorities need to keep up a facade of fulfilling their responsibility to watch for harm as part of their duty as “guardians of public safety”.
They can simply use fallacious assumptions to brush aside the VAERS data with claims of “no evidence of causal link to the shots”, unsupported by any valid analysis. As they have been doing.
(Turn a willful blind eye to evidence, see no evidence.)
Meanwhile, as this game is being played to hide the shot harm, pharma and FDA are rushing to expedited approval of the shots in less than 1/4 the time it usually takes, without the usual longer-term data. Once that approval is granted, all bets are off – govt may move to mandate the shots for ALL, and the full approval status will enable this.
Wakeup call. This is coming up very fast, and few are aware of it.
Evil does not sleep.
Contact the FDA about the EUA COVID-19 Vaccine Authorization
go to the FDA website and post a comment regarding CHD/MAMMs petition to the FDA to revoke the EUA (Emergency Authorization Act) and prevent the licensing of the COVID vaccines. Link to FDA at MAMM.org
This is a good site to visit.
Millions Against Medical Mandates.
https://mamm.org/call-to-action/
So if you try to hideout and order your groceries they will disable your credit card so you can’t?
They are significantly behind in there updates. Deaths that occurred over five months ago are only now being displayed publicly. Also the 1 800 number they ask those that take jab to call if they have problems is not being made public at all. It’s also hard to call if you are dead.
We The People have been following the wrong leaders. The majority of so called “leaders” have abandoned Our Founding Principles established in our Declaration of Independence and codified in our Constitution. Our Country began with freedom and responsibility and today most leaders want us to have neither.
Pray to God we can take Our Country back.
This is excellent reporting.
Love the sheeple and the sheeple lover’s bumper sticker! Hate that it comes at a cost of so many American lives. The Nuremburg trials should look like misdemeanor court compared to what the Democrats and the CCP have done to the world. And for what? Money, power, control? And the Democrat media wing likes to attach the terms Nazi and white supremecist to President Trump when all along it is their grand scheme. We don’t have enough jails. We don’t have enough firing squads (that’s why the Democrats are pushing gun control so fervently). We don’t have enough electric chairs (if you’re going to run short of electricity for your car, why would you want to fry the guilty using electricity).
Why are they so evil? The love of money is the root of all evil. The love of power makes the evil multiply uncontrollably. Yet we still have American citizens who are so loyal to the Democrat establishment that they won’t even look at the proof.
I’ve decided that humans are the flaw.
Something for jab pushers to contemplate, particularly when it comes to children.
As I understand it, (correct me if I’m wrong) among those who were hung for their crimes were members of the media.
Considering it was scared leftists running out to get a shot of the magic juice, this may work in our favor of putting this country back on track.
The leftist are just useful pawns, to the real powers behind the curtain.
Leftism has always been nothing more than a ruse for a tiny group of demagogues to exploit for their own gain.
As seen over and over, with communist/socialist movements. And now, with the identity class Marxism rising in the US.
So, if leftists are overrepresented in long-term harm by the shots, the cabal is fine with that, and there are always more fools who can be seduced to leftism to replace those who are downed by the shots.
The country will not be put back on a good track by leftists being downed by the shots.
The Government is now ERASING deaths from the VAERS Reporting System…
https://www.cnbsnews.live/documentaries/cdc-removes-150k-deaths-from-vaers-system-vaccine-genocide/
I don’t want to click on the link because I don’t know what cnbsnews is.
Right? A worthy project for someone who has the time. Not me.
When a reported number goes from 250 to over 6,000 in half a year, “something is wrong, and it’s not the data.”
The Moderna patents, co-owned by Fauci’s NIH, were worthless until he dreamed up a “medical emergency,” and “emergency use authorization,” and quashed every safe alternative in order to assert that none existed. Suddenly, they were worth billions of dollars.
And, folks, “billions of dollars” was always the one and only thing that “this entire COVID thing” was ever(!) about. They did not care and still do not care how many hundreds of millions of lives were figuratively or literally destroyed if it made rich people richer than they already were.
Speaking of “billions of dollars” has anyone actually seen the costs of each jab that the American people are paying? Is it $10, $30, $100?
I have Medicare and paid nothing (Part B covered it). Just got a statement from them that says the provider charged $54.00 (local hospital), they approved and paid $17.28.
ADD: That was for the first shot (Pfizer). For the second shot, the hospital charged $89.00, and Medicare paid $40.48.
I can’t explain the difference in cost. Both of these shots were administered in March (March 9 and March 30).
Other than people covered in media, you are the only person that knows which companies ‘ vaccine they received. Here in AZ I don’t see/hear anyone bragging about which company’s vaccine they’re offering. I HAVE heard reports of people getting the 1st jab from 1 company and the 2nd jab from another. There have been local articles discussing which combinations will probably work and which combinations probably won’t. So clearly even the health care workers have been kept ignorant as well. This laxity is indicative of the lack of accountability for the bigs involved and increases the fear factor but the authorities will call reasonable reticence a mental health issue.
I showed the graph to Mrs. H.R.
She got the Pfizer 2-jab ‘vaccine’ because she was having trouble visiting and evaluating assisted living facilities for her mom. My wife couldn’t get in to elder care facilities without the jab. And of course no place would even consider her mom if her mom wasn’t vaccinated.
I’d kept her up to speed and she knew I wasn’t going to get the jab and was very leery of the ‘vaccines’ and potential problems.
Seeing the graph, she said quite sarcastically, “Thanks for that bit of good news. Trying to cheer me up?”
So far, no ill effects after either jab and it’s been a while since she got them. She’ll probably be OK. But she has enough on her plate dealing with her mom’s dementia and trying to get her into a place where her mom can receive the care she needs.
She’s pretty resentful that she was put into a no-win situation. No jab, no help for her mom. Get the jab and maybe not be around to help her mom.
That’s just one example of the types of stresses being put on everyday people. Now she’s worried about her mom AND the jab. B@stards!
And, sadly, her mom’s dementia may accelerate post jab. Of course, I think this was one of the goals of the whole process. Weed out the weak, aged and infirm. AOC probably has more regard for farting cows than older Americans. Her abuela obviously isn’t a priority for her either. I never saw her mention what she had done to fix up her storm ravaged house. She could only point the finger at President Trump without regard to the criminally irresponsible governor of Puerto Rico who stole money and supplies sent for these people. Can someone please point me to her statements of outrage over the thieving Democrat governor Wanda Vasquez? I must have missed her scathing evaluation!!
I know two people who died from the vaccine, one in his early 70s and one in her 40s. I also have a friend who almost died from his vaccine. He spent two weeks in the hospital.
Unlike the wuhanvirus, doctors and hospitals don’t get paid to report vaccine deaths.
I had the Pfizer early on as I looked at the data at the time and made my decision based on my age and risk. I probably would have made a different decision had I waited. I can’t do anything about that now.
I have had three auto-immune type conditions since the vaccine. The first was the 2-day butt kick immediately after the shot. That was certainly the vaccine. I have had two others and both have abated for now. The most concerning was a hearing loss. In 2010 I became deaf in my only good ear due to what the doctor thinks was auto-immune. It was treated quickly and I ended up only losing about 50% of my hearing in that ear. After the vaccine, that auto-immune response recurred. I went back to the same specialist and he agreed that the vaccine might have been responsible. The indications began to lessen without treatment and I am pretty much back to normal. The doctor said something interesting. He said that if it was the vaccine, then the auto-immune reactions should abate. He has been correct. This indicates to me that he had reason to suspect the vaccine and that he may know more than he is saying.
My auto-immune responses might have happened anyway. There is no way to know. Except for that first one. That was bad while it lasted.
Same here after getting J&J. Have dealt with iritis for over a year; it heals with prednisone eye drops. The iritis flared up after the shot. Eye surgeon acknowledged the flare up could have resulted from the shot. Praying that was the only side effect.
I’m wondering if the JJ could have something to do with gout flareups.
Seems bizarre but the current flareup was not obviously do to diet or alcohol and past flareups I could trace. (not me a member of my close family)
The question that occurs to me that wasn’t answered in the post is “What’s the denominator”.
All vaccines have risks and a giant increase in the number of vaccinations would also lead to an increase in the risks and subsequent deaths. About 175M, it seems, so .00035% but I can’t find the rate associated with a normal year.
I cannot remember a vaccination surge like this in the past. Polio back in the 50s perhaps.
Anybody have that number.
So it seems we can Obama to the list of mass murderers involved with the CHINA VIRUS.
Question……..
is it true that China has their own jab and that they do no use the ones Americans and the rest of the world are taking??
If true, someone has to ask the question WHY?
And if true, the second question has to be does the Chinese jab use spike proteins or the same ingredients as the US jab?
Then we get to ask again WHY?
On another note did you know that in China they are now allowing and pushing for their people to have up to 3 children while in America and much of the World we have jabbed our children down to 12 and possibly lower which covers pretty much the next 3 generations of child bearers?
I read or heard somewhere that the Chinese are using a true vaccine, not the experimental mRNA. No idea if that is true or not.
My response when asked to get the vaccine.
If you can answer this question, I’ll get the vaccine. I get to answer first you get to answer second.
Name an FDA Authorized product, that in its first six months was implicated in over 5700 deaths, 260,000 injuries, and is still on the market.
Polio vaccine (Salk). See The Cutter Incident. Not exactly the same, but pretty serious.
In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.
And the other fact not mentioned comes from the Baylor doctor Dr. McCoughlin where as one of the leading doctors on clinical trails states that typically a vaccine is halted when 25+ or more die from the vaccine or reactions with the vaccine.
So in this case we have almost 6,000 and it’s full speed ahead.
And virtually not a peep from the health agencies rushing to investigate AND virtually zero from McConnell and the RINO led Senate.
IF this explodes into the 2nd or 1st greatest genocide in the history of mankind then IMO every document and communication MUST be exposed and ANYONE in a leadership role who was aware and failed to act must be brought to justice in front of the 6B people who have suffered so needlessly.
Tens of millions of doses. Wonder how the death rate compares to flu shots or chicken pox, etc. Need some context here.
I believe the graph Sundance posted covers ALL vaccines so it appears looking back at all prior years even with the flu vaccines the deaths attributed to it are very, very low as compared to this jab.
Looking at this graph it is so very obvious we are dealing with some very evil people.
Agree, The number of adverse events is startling. However, the number of those vaxxed for Corona 19 is huge.
A comparison of number vaxxed to number adverse events would be a better method for evaluation.
How many vaccinations were made in all prior years? I think that is the context to which UpToThere referred.
Somewhere else on this thread someone provided the number of people who get the yearly influenza vaccine and it was comparable. I think it was 140 million.
The VAERS reporting system has nothing to do with assigning attribution. Anyone who dies for any reason after receiving a vaccine can be added to the system if a family member wants them to be. It can even be several months later.
Sadly, so may people still believe that the government would ever allow such evil to happen and continue once discovered.
However, just like the election fraud ( now coming to light through audits of ballots ) the government is just simply made up of people and people can be very evil in the pursuit of their own personal agendas.
I believe many of these people who say they took the jab actually got saline to make it look good.
Ask people you know – how many have ever heard of THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES ?
So I looked it up on Wikipedia and it is not a conspiracy theory but a real thing.
Number one on the list of ten guiding principles engraved on the stones:
Google search says current world population is 7.9 billion. So to achieve their goals, they’d want to see seven billion, four hundred million people exterminated.
Such nice folks. Let’s let them go first.
As pointed out in a Tucker Carlson episode that was deleted by YouTube, according to the CDC’s VAERS database, there have been over twice as many deaths from COVID vaccines as from ALL OTHER vaccines in ONE TENTH the time.
I’ve already covered here the most likely reason for that as revealed by recent studies of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
The mRNA vaccines cause certain cells in your body which are INTENDED to be localized to the injection site and the adjacent lymph nodes, to produce the SARS-CoV-2 virus protein spike on their surface which then causes your immune system to activate against those cells which, unlike the virus, can’t infect other cells.
The vaccine developers have made an effort to try to make sure those spikes or, more specifically, the S1 protein TIP of that spike don’t break off and flow elsewhere in the body which, to me, indicates THEY KNEW what was recently discovered via a SIMPLE test by other, independent researchers researching the virus and not the vaccines: the S1 spike protein is ITSELF pathogenic and is a cause of the clotting and suppression of ANTI-clotting mechanisms which make COVID-19 much more deadly than the flu to some.
The fact that that attempt to keep the S1 protein from breaking off does NOT work perfectly, as stated in a paper analyzing all of the COVID vaccines, the authors of which obviously did not know the harmful significance of that since they conjectured that that would HELP with the development of immunity, most likely explains the deaths and very negative reactions to the COVID vaccines. The S1 protein and perhaps even other portions of the spike which are also suspected (but not proved) of having negative effects are apparently migrating through the body via the bloodstream.
So, I suspect that your personal reaction to the vaccines is probably a measure of how badly you would be affected by COVID-19 itself which would not only produce wandering S1 protein in unlimited quantities, but would also destroy healthy cells in its reproduction process. This makes taking the vaccine a crap shoot because one can’t know this in advance.
There is NO WAY “the authorities” can’t know this, but since there is no currently known way to induce immunity without also inducing the pathogenic S1 protein into the body and since those who react badly to the vaccine may survive while their reaction is most likely an indication that they would have had a FAR greater reaction, perhaps a fatal one, to an actual COVID-19 illness, what are they to do?
I could link to all kinds of papers supporting this, but that would result in my post being moderated. I’ll link to just one. They were warned:
Could spike protein in Moderna, Pfizer vaccines cause blood clots, brain inflammation and heart attacks? – Dr. J. Patrick Whelan, a pediatric rheumatologist, warned the FDA in December that mRNA vaccines could cause microvascular injury to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways not assessed in safety trials. – Feb 11, 2021
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/could-spike-protein-in-moderna-pfizer-vaccines-cause-blood-clots-brain-inflammation-and-heart-attacks
February 11, 2021 (Children’s Health Defense) — On Dec. 8, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) received a public submission from J. Patrick Whelan, M.D., Ph.D. The submission was in response to the agency’s request for comments regarding vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 in advance of the Dec. 10 meeting when the committee would review the Pfizer/BioNTech (BNT162b2) SARS-CoV-2 vaccine for emergency use authorization (EUA).
Whelan’s training (at Harvard, Texas Children’s Hospital and Baylor College of Medicine) includes degrees in biochemistry, medicine and rheumatology. For 20 years, he worked as a pediatric rheumatologist. He currently specializes in treating children with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), which has been associated with coronavirus infections.
In his public submission [linked below], Whelan sought to alert the FDA about the potential for vaccines designed to create immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to instead cause injuries.
Specifically, Whelan was concerned that the new mRNA vaccine technology utilized by Pfizer and Moderna has “the potential to cause microvascular injury (inflammation and small blood clots called microthrombi) to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways that were not assessed in the safety trials.”
[HUGE snip]
If not viral infection, what else could be causing injury to distant organs associated with COVID-19?
The most likely culprit that has been identified is the COVID-19 spike protein released from the outer shell of the virus into circulation. Research cited below has documented that the viral spike protein is able to initiate a cascade of events that triggers damage to distant organs in COVID-19 patients.
Worryingly, several studies have found that the spike proteins alone have the capacity to cause widespread injury throughout the body, without any evidence of virus.
Don’t forget President Trump promotes this every chance he gets. He made an awful, fearful mistake but hasn’t learned from it. Woe to us.
In all honestly if the data keep climbing and once it passes 10,000 my bet is the DS pivots and begins to blame all of this on PT for rushing and heavily promoting the vaccine.
Hind sight is always 20/20 but I wish he had stayed the course recommending the hydroxychloroquine treatment and/or the ivermectin treatment.
But regardless ALL of this is on Fauci and the Health Agencies.
“ALL of this is on Fauci and the Health Agencies”
It’s on all those who allowed Fauci to flourish. That goes back a long time, multiple administrations, and unfortunately, very much including the Trump administration who gave Fauci nightly TV time and the ability to set national policy. The only non-guilty party are the 40-50% of ordinary people who long ago learned not to trust any authorities any longer. I’m afraid that was Trump’s achilles heel. From the sound of his video last night, I’m not sure he has learned.
In a nation with rule of law, Fauci would face consequences for lying to a man who relied on him for important information during a crisis.
What would happen to a general, for instance, who during wartime made stuff up when the Commander In Chief asked for his guidance?
PJDT’s focus on the vaccines, literally for minutes, repetitively, at the NC Governor’s conference, caused this strongly pro-MAGA, pro-PDJT and anti-Communist old guy to turn the stream off. I get support and reaching for solutions but without acceptance of balance in science we’re doomed. Nothing man does is perfect. We should acknowledge that. Say it. Innocent citizens have died. PDJT was revered for his plain talk, not xugar-coating it. He still is, mostly.
The vaccine issue and his apparent lack of support for rallygoers currently imprisoned without due process has me acknowledging that he was a good canary of the widespread corruption in government, something I’ve known for decades but am only one man, getting that message out, but nothing more. The system ate the canary and pooped it out and what we see now is what’s left.
They’ll have to kill me to inject me with anything. At all. I’m old and slow so maybe I won’t take out too many of them on the way. Ef Communists. All of them. Have a pleasant Sunday..
In chess you plan your moves far in advance to execute your strategy.
My number one concern is……….
What if the jab somehow effects reproduction?
There were no pregnancy studies that I have read. No published animal reproduction studies that I have seen.
So now we have the experts pushing like crazy to jab everyone including those under 12. WHY?
Why would the so called experts push an experimental jab on children under 20 when they knew 99.9+% of them recover on their own with their own immunity? WHY
So, I now go back and ask the question is China using the same jab? if not WHY?
Now the recent announcement, last month by China that parents can have up to 3 children.
And yet in most of the rest of world, we are jabbing our children from 40 on down to 12 and below in some reports. WHY?
What is one of the common denominators in our young people, especially the 2-3 generations under the age of 40?
The question IMO everyone should be asking and demanding is……….
Is there any long term effects on child bearing in the reproduction organs of men or women from the jab?
Imagine IF in 20-30 years one group is able to reproduce easily while another group finds difficulty. What would the totals of each of those groups look like after 10, 20 or 30 years?
As I said Chess is a game where you think and plan out your moves far in advance.
I will add a concern — have read that spike proteins “shed.” If so, wouldn’t children be impacted even if they did not receive the “vaccine,” but their parents did? Just musing here…
Fine post btw – logical and articulate.
Listen to Dr. McCoughlin from Baylor who says shedding IS NOT an issue.
That shedding information is why I still wear mask and I suspect many others as well. Plus new variants. I know the mask is supposedly useless but it’s all I’ve got.
Retired Pfizer executive researcher Mike Reardon wrote to the committees evaluating Pfizer’s mRNA “vaccine” expressing his concern that Pfizer’s jab could effect the functioning of a woman’s placenta. In short, women could miscarry. There have been reports of miscarriages. There have also been reports of lowered sperm count. Quite correctly, Sherri Tenpenny, D.O. asks why would we “vaccinate” pubescent children12-16 yo? Sounds like eugenics to me….
It is important to know the facts about the Covid-19 virus and the vaccine.
I can understand people being wary of the vaccine, but the discussion has gone beyond reasonable. We have a bunch of people here who aren’t scientists calling others simple, stupid, and “sheep” because they choose to be vaccinated.
This kind of hysteria isn’t good for anybody.
There is just as much bad information (or more) on the anti-vaccine side as on the vaccine side. Try to keep your head, make decisions based on your own age and health and, yes, what your own doctor recommends. If you can’t trust the doctor you have chosen, then perhaps either you are wrong, or you should find another doctor.
As an Admin, I am reminding all of you (not for the first time) that we do not condone insulting others or calling them names because you don’t agree with their opinions.
I think Sundance’s graph and article speaks volumes by itself and should at least get people to ask questions and in the end it is their body thus their call.
But more deaths in 6 months than in the past 30 years of ALL jabs is pretty powerful and yet the drive to jab EVERYONE continues at breakneck speed.
So thankful to the doctors who have shown that mankind does have some other treatment options.
I just mentioned this in another comment. Look up the “Cutter incident”. It was a horrible vaccine incident, where the Salk vaccine produced at one lab didn’t properly kill the live virus, and many children were harmed as a result (many times more than what is being discussed here). That does not mean that the Salk vaccine was a bad thing; quite the opposite.
It is important to know the facts about the vaccines we are given, but we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that vaccines can and do much good. The Salk vaccine has saved millions of children from death and permanent damage.
Hysteria and running about with your hair on fire isn’t helpful. I am suggesting that we all make decisions for ourselves based on our OWN age, health, and personal situation.
“Hysteria and running around with your hair on fire” is name-calling.
I didn’t specify that it was anyone here, now did I? It isn’t name calling, but description of a specific type of behavior which certainly exists!
Who, then?
Who is running around hysterically over this vaccine?
Whose hair is on fire?
Is it Alex Berenson? He is using some pretty strong language about these vaccines.
What are you trying to prove, exactly? Read comments on Twitter and other websites. There are plenty of people who are frightened, sometimes based on false information or no information at all, just an across the board fear of the pharmaceutical industry, doctors, and the government. Yes, there are bad things that happen in pharmacy, medicine and government, but not EVERYTHING!
I would call that “running around hysterically with your hair on fire”. It isn’t helpful or useful. If you aren’t one of those people, then good for you! If not, I wouldn’t worry about what I have to say or believe.
The tragic thing … maybe literally … is that these people were told, quite falsely, that they were given “vaccines.” And that they were “safe and effective,” when it is very clear that the exact opposite is true.
Yes, they are vaccines.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/pfizer-and-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-vaccines-the-new-myth/
Believe something written who doesn’t disclose who he/she is…transparency? The author discloses that he/she has been working in Big Pharma for over 25 years. While that offers a bit of transparency the author is hiding behind anonymity by not disclosing his/her name. That combined with the phrama experience suggests this person has a strong bias in favor of pharma/drugs/vaccines and could be hiding the fact they have relationships with pharma organizations. I would take anything written with a mound of salt.
Not an opinion without bias.
With lots of links to other sources. Most of the comments here make claims with absolutely NO links to anything. I am just supposed to “believe”.
By the way, Sundance doesn’t tell you who he is or where he works, if anywhere. Do you believe him?
The reason why some people remain anonymous on the internet should be obvious.
For those who didn’t bother to visit the website:
The Skeptical Raptor
The old feathered dinosaur has over 30 years experience in endocrinology and cardiology. As a part of that background, they had extensive education in immunology, microbiology, cell biology, biochemistry, and evolutionary biology. So this is why I kind of stick in a few areas.
Most of the background is research and development in the pharmaceutical and medical device industry. Yeah, some of you will take that as proof of some conspiracy. But, science is science – the only thing that matters is evidence, and that’s the only thing the ancient dinosaur uses.
I’d like to remind people that Alex Berenson has done a great deal of work on the scamdemic/vaccine.
He seeks input from others, to correct him if he is misinterpreting anything.
He calls out the misinformation or exaggeration from those on “our side”.
IMO he can be trusted.
I don’t think it is that easy, finding a trustworthy doctor today.I know that when my own mother’s doctor retired, I tried hard to find her a suitable replacement, and I failed.
The doctor/patient relationship has been irredeemably corrupted.
BTW, back to Alex, he uses the CDC’s own data to prove that the information they give out is untrustworthy.
I am sure Andrew Wakefield, MD would agree, if he were still alive…….
The only quibble I might express with your wise counsel is that, assuming you have the requisite intelligence and sophistication (and many if not most at CTH do) and/or rely on someone you trust who does, you are the best person to decide what is right in your individual case.
Do not overrate the significance of a medical education and license (both state controlled and subject to numerous restrictions, regulations and oversight).
Your reminder that we should respect everyone’s individual decisions should be heeded by all.
Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt (that I am not a half wit). I don’t “overrate the significance of a medical education and license”, but I did choose my own doctors and I do think that they are adequately trained and in general give good advice. If I thought otherwise, I would get a new doctor, and I still make my own decisions based only partially on what my doctors advise. No doctor has insisted that I do anything, including getting vaccinated.
That being said, I have been vaccinated (Pfizer). Thus far I feel fine, other than a temporarily sore arm. I made my decision based on my age and physical conditions. Two of my “co-morbidities” (coronary artery disease and hypertension) both raise the statistical rate of death from Covid above 10%. This is not the average rate, which I would suggest that others not rely on. It’s easy to say, “Oh the rate of recovery is 99% …” Yes, that’s true if you are young and healthy.
I do know people who have died from Covid. One was an old friend my age who was apparently quite healthy.
We should.
What I am seeing. however, is individuals not being allowed to make their own decisions.
College students are being coerced, a great many employees, now OSHA has turned against the mission it was created for.
Somebody has to speak up for the millions of Americans being forced to take a shot they don’t want or need.
It occurs to me ,whenever this subject comes up, that brilliant people I know and love have had the vaccine and brilliant people, I know and love, refuse.
These discussions are necessary but the attacks (all attacks on here) are unnecessary, disrespectful and not what we are about.
Thank you Stella.
I have been dealing with a number of medical professionals lately because dental work and prep for possible travel. I make sure to mention to them that I had Covid, and Ivermectin turned the fever around, overnight. They may not be permitted to say this to patients by their controlling systems, but patients can do our part to ensure they are aware.
Watched a very long video of Dr. McCullough with Brett Weinstein several days ago. Dr. McCullough mentioned that doctors treating vaccine reactions have noted some success by using Ivermectin as an antidote. Ivermectin appears to somehow interact with the spike protein in beneficial ways.
Yep, I know a nurse that says she managed to get the hydroxychloroquine and it saved her.
The suppression of information about the benefits of Vitamin D, Ivermectin and other working therapeutics (some doctors have mentioned budesonide and colchicine) is what makes this current situation suspect.
No one should have to sue a hospital to force staff to allow a therapeutic that was working. This is exactly what has happened in several cases in Western New York.
The leadership appears malicious, just as with placing Covid patients deliberately into nursing homes.
This is remarkable; the hospital actively tried to prevent successful therapy. The family and a good lawyer had to fight for her life:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalonews.com/news/local/after-judge-orders-hospital-to-use-experimental-covid-19-treatment-woman-recovers/article_a9eb315c-5694-11eb-aac5-53b541448755.amp.html
No moola in successful therapy
I agree.
Unfortunately, there is bad information in Sundance’s post. The claim that the deaths of almost 6000 people have been directly attributed to the COVID vaccines is not true. That’s a misinterpretation of the data.
EUDRAVigilance, The European database of suspected adverse drug reaction reports (their VAERS) breaks down the four vaccines used. Consistently, 70% of their adverse covid vaccinations are female. Also interesting, 23%, 46%, 57%, 58% are healthcare professionals, way out of line with the healthcare population to total vaccinated.
Yes this is clear sign of under reporting as medical staff should be proportional represented.
Another theory is your chance of having a adverse reaction goes up if you have already had covid.
The COVID-19 vaccine really isn’t a vaccine in the medical definition of a vaccine. It does not improve your immune response to the infection, nor does not limit you from getting the infection. It’s really an experimental gene therapy.
The messenger RNA (mRNA) used in many COVID-19 vaccines are not natural. They’re synthetic. Since naturally produced mRNA rapidly degrades, it must be complexed with lipids or polymers to prevent this from happening. COVID-19 vaccines use PEGylated lipid nanoparticles, and PEG is known to cause anaphylaxis.
If they call their drugs vaccines, they can bypass the safety studies, which they have all FAILED.
Imagine that! It is nearly 40 years since 1984, but it sure seems a lot like conditions for most of the people in Orwell’s novel. Stuff isn’t strange anymore. The Big Tech companies intend to eliminate the American middle class, and they are well into their program to do that. People better start waking up, because there isn’t any more time to think “It won’t happen in my lifetime” any more.
Someone said it looks like a (the) hockey stick graph.
It’s called a break-out. The FDA system that by and large protected the population from eager potion peddlers has been compromised, and we see how effective is HAD been. Not perfect, no intention of overselling FDA effectiveness, but this is a failure that is not being addressed as it normally would.
It’s indicative of a sepsis in the national institutions–they’re dying.
This is what it looks like.
This would be a good time for President Trump to speak up against the vaccine for children.
Everyone “at risk” has had the opportunity to be vaccinated.
It is clearly being used as a weapon against the rest of us now, to restrict our human rights.
This is only going to get uglier.
Ghouls and politicians and Deep State types are going Jim Jones on children.
Randi Weingarten and Rod Rosenstein’s sister are making stuff up in order to force little ones to get a shot they don’t need.
Can’t we declare Warp Speed over?
It has served its purpose, it’s stated purpose.
There is no more pandemic, there is no emergency.
Don’t think for one second that if and when these vaccines go horribly and irrefutably sideways, an attempt will be made by the MSM to blame it all on Trump.
A word to the wise.
suramin, which you can ingest drinking Pine Needle Tea, along with high doses of Vitamin D may very well help neutralize spike proteins. Suramin has been being tested as a Covid 1984 treatment option.
ICYMI – FYI – WTF — Trust Science — ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —
Comparing the Risk of Death from COVID-19 vs. Influenza by Age
Based on that analysis, what is striking is that those under the age of 15 are at significantly lower risk of death from COVID-19 than of the flu. Under our assumptions, for example, children under the age of 15 have a 1 in 155,535 chance of dying of influenza, but a 1 in 1.2 million chance of dying of COVID-19.
It is clear from these analyses that the absolute risk of death from COVID-19 is low for those under 55, and especially those under 25. By contrast, it is relatively high for those over 75.
https://freopp.org/comparing-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-by-age-d33a1c76c198
When the vaxxers argue that “It’s such a small number.”
.00000055 = .000055% Swine flu vac 1976 pulled after only 25 deaths/48M vaccinated
.000042 = .0042% Covid vacc 5,888 deaths/141M vaccinated
ICYMI – FYI – WTF — Trust Science — ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —
Dying from the Fear of Covid-19…
Suicidal behavior in youths higher during COVID-19…
Earlier this year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that nearly 3.4 million Americans died in 2020, an all-time record.
The data released this week showed the biggest increases in the death rates for heart disease and diabetes in at least 20 years.
Of the causes of death for which the CDC had full-year provisional data, nine registered increases. Those included Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s, chronic liver disease, stroke and high blood pressure.
“One factor that could be contributing to the increase is that people are afraid to come in for care,” said Dr. Steven Woolf, professor of family medicine and population health at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond. “We need to assure them that the danger of not getting care is greater than the danger of getting exposed to the virus.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-finds-deaths-heart-disease-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid-u-n1270260
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/07/10/more-people-are-dying-during-the-pandemic-and-not-just-from-covid-19
https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/12/16/pediatricssuicidestudy121620
A researcher manages to get hold of a biodistribution study of the Pfiize vax for a Japenese Regulatory agency. The vax does not stay localized to the injection site but gets systemic. That coupled with the fact that the Spike protein alone is toxic not just the whole virus causes problems. That is why we are getting reports from all of these spike protein based products. It still seems that the reactions are rare but every one should be able to make their own risk benefit calculation.
I am not taking it because I have been exposed to a similar animal corona virus. If you already have a primed immune system, a bad reaction to the vax is more likely. However, if I had comorbidities that are associated with a poor outcome to Wuhan Flu, maybe I would take that shot.
Spike protein in circulation attaches to endothelial cells in circulatory system triggering clotting cascade-thromboses and thrombocytopenia. Spike proteins pass through blood brain barrier- neurological impacts.
A reminder that the CDC has had the goal of forcing flu shots on all Americans for ages, and Obamacare included provisions for forcing nurses to take the shot or lose their job, and many nurses were forced into wearing masks if they got an exemption.
This forced vaccination thing has been around for some time.
Let’s have some fun with math. VAERS has been around for years and the research from the past on other vaccines shows VAERS only picks up a tiny portion less than 1% of all adverse vaccine reactions. So the actual number of vaccine injuries is likely to be at least 599,700. 172,758,350 people have had at least one dose of the vaccine. That means 1 for every 288 people who get the vaccine have an adverse reaction.
1/288 COVID Vaccines
Compared to some other vaccines for perspective
Vaccine Estimated rate of Severe Reactions
BCG1 (tuberculosis) in 1 in 1000 to 1 in 50 000 doses
OPV (oral polio vaccine)1 in 2–3 million doses (or 1 in 750 000 doses for the first dose)
Measles in 1 million doses
DTP (diptheria/whooping cough, tetanus the “baby shots’) 1 in 750 000 doses
So the adverse reaction is likely about 1/288 or 0.4 %
The average rate of death or severe disease from COVID is about 0.2% (without Ivermectin or Hydroxychloriquine treatment)
So that means the vaccine is likely twice as bad as getting COVID.
I think they are lying about Christian Erikson
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
They are. Firstpost reported in May that that Milan team would be fully vaccinated by June championship games
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.firstpost.com/sports/italy-players-receive-first-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-ahead-of-european-championships-9589191.html/amp
Agree.
Here is an article regarding Erickson and the reports in the last day or two.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/danish-soccer-star-collapses-nearly-dies-during-game-received-the-pfizer-vaccine-12-days-ago/
Here is my anecdotal report.
One of our neighbours just dropped dead of a heart attack. He was 67. He had a previous heart condition which required a stent five years ago but he had cleaned up his lifestyle, gave up smoking, drinking, lost weight, had his cholesterol and everything under control. He seemed to be in the best health ever. He had an appointment with his cardiologist in the city and he arranged to have his second Pfizer vaccine shot on the same trip eight days before his massive heart attack. At his check up which included imaging and EEG and a stress test, he was pronounced as perfectly fine. I personally think he may have had a heart attack due to myocarditis from the vaccine but because of his age and previous heart condition, it will not be reported as such. What if we are only noticing this in young males because young males don’t normally get this? How do we know older people are not dying from the vaccine but it’s being ignored?
Correct.
Exactly!!
You’re correct. Fast forward a few months, when influenza or any other seasonal virus “arrives”, the fear is those vaccinated will be totally unable to mount an immune response to the new arrival. Their bodies will not recognize it and will be overwhelmed and as a result of Antibody-dependent Enhancement – (ADE). At that time-lapse from vaccine to death, who will or reasonably could attribute that to the vaccine?
J Clin Transl Sci. 2020 Apr 13 : 1–4.
Published online 2020 Apr 13. doi: 10.1017/cts.2020.39
PMCID: PMC7274027
The potential for antibody-dependent enhancement of SARS-CoV-2
infection: Translational implications for vaccine development
Jiong Wang and Martin S. Zand
▸ Author information ▸ Article notes ▸ Copyright and License information Disclaimer
Abstract
There is an urgent need for vaccines to the 2019 coronavirus (COVID19; SARS-CoV-2). Vaccine
development may not be straightforward, due to antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Antibodies
against viral surface proteins can, in some cases, increase infection severity by ADE. This phenomenon
occurs in SARS-CoV-1, MERS, HIV, Zika, and dengue virus infection and vaccination. Lack of highaffinity
anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG in children may explain the decreased severity of infection in these groups.
Here, we discuss the evidence for ADE in the context of SARS-CoV-2 infection and how to address this
potential translational barrier to vaccine development, convalescent plasma, and targeted monoclonal
antibody therapies.
Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, coronavirus, antibody-dependent enhancement, Fc receptor,
vaccine, antibody
Short form – the vax focuses your entire immune system on Covid-19 so when a different infectious agent is encountered the body is no longer able to adapt to the new threat – patient dies. Plausible deniability function. Wish I could remember where I read that.
Well, I’ve listened to lots of doctors who say that the vaccines (not just covid) dysregulate your immune system to it doesn’t work properly when faced with a real threat. Apparently, doctors in Africa, who were there thinking they were doing good work by vaccinated kids, started to get suspicious and did some research and ultimately determined that the DTP they were giving (I think that’s the one) maybe have protected them from one particular illness, but they were then 10x more likely to die from other infections (so that seems to speak to the idea that the vaccines dysregulate the immune system from functioning properly).
Here it is:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/
In that west African nation, half the children were vaccinated with the DTP vaccine at three months and the other half at six months. Dr. Mogenson and his team found that girls vaccinated with the DTP vaccine died at 10 times the rate of unvaccinated kids. While the vaccinated children were protected from Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis, they were far more susceptible to other deadly diseases than unvaccinated peers. The vaccine apparently compromised their immune systems. Thanks to Gates, DTP is the world’s most popular vaccine.
I read the same thing, and yes they pointed the finger to the DTP vax
There are other “diseases” that are caused by the immune system operating incorrectly. They are called autoimmune diseases and they are usually not curable. They sometimes can be ameliorated but they generally are miserable to live with the disease itself, the drugs or both.
Autoimmunes disease can show up as allergies and nerve problems. Rheumatitis is an autoimmune disease so are a few others that are very common (relatively) and well know. In Africa they also saw and increase in infertility and that’s when they started suing the foundation Gates was a part of.
Seems that they gene they use to send this “message” is right next to one about is something to do with reproduction and the messenger causes the body to attack the reproductive cells and causes infertility.
All this stuff doesn’t show up quickly. Sometimes not for years.
That’s because Gates is a member of the elites and have a global plan of eliminating millions of people. There are two Drs now that have to stay out of the US because they will end up dead if are found. Because they were told this information.
Do you really think the human immune system can only focus on one thing at a time?
How did we ever make it to the 21st century with no antibiotics until the last 70 years?
How does an MMR vaccine induce immunity to mumps, measles and rubella very routinely?
Same for DtP and diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis.
As to your first sentence, you have a point, as for the rest, antibiotics and MMR vax has nothing to do with it. A mRNA vax actually instructs the cells to attack what they’re programmed to attack. On a side note here, I find it very interesting that the flu has virtually disappeared in the US and Europe, or so we’re told.
Influenza has been over-rated as a cause of morbidity/mortality.
In the course of everyone looking at comparisons between COVID and influenza, it became well-known and discussed that influenza deaths are estimated, not counted. Probably grossly exaggerated. Now that there is a competing interest to blame things on COVID, influenza estimates have gone away.
Let me correct myself, this mRNA vax INSTRUCTS your cells to make a protein that triggers an immune response. In other words your cells are engineered.
You are then a GMO. Hey, God knew what he was doing when he gave us our immune system. Why do people think Bill Gates has found a better way to run an immune system than the one God gave us? It does an amazing job handling incoming viruses and bacteria, but the jabs override it. They have found that unlike true vaccines, the jab materials (there is a lot in that jab) do NOT stay in your arm muscle. It distributes throughout the body and concentrates in the ovaries and testes, I believe. How odd, it ends up there. Hm, people who believe we need 10% of the human population we have, who have caused tragedies with vaccines in African nations, give us a jab that ends up in the ovaries and testes, and we know for certain spike proteins attack placentas, sperm, and eggs, and that there have been many, many miscarriages due to the jabs.
What could go wrong? But yes, let’s trust Bill Gates.
Excellent explanation here re: cell engineering by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny:
https://rumble.com/vevesv-a-shot-in-the-dark-with-dr-sherri-tenpenny-the-video-they-do-not-want-you-t.html
It has been everywhere. Every Doctor with commonsense and some knowledge will say so.
From my understanding of gain-of-function, it is when the *next* flu seasons roll around that those *billions* of spike proteins, already slipped past “the wall” inside the jabs, and so far “unnoticed” by our normal t-cells/immune systems, will suddenly be “recognized, ” belatedly, and ferociously attacked.
The spike protein material within the *next* Covid-19 flu cycle making the rounds (different side of the wall now) finally tips off our immune systems to mount an attack against the material already floating around on the *jab* side of the wall .
Normally, that t-cell immune response would focus on a “newcomer” that has yet to “surge” inside of our bodies, and healthy COVID-19 patients (without vaccines) have successfully fought the virus off before a surge can occur. So those patients (the majority) live on, with an immune system that recognizes Covid-19 and fights it off *before* it can surge into their cells.
But after a jab of billions of spike proteins, a more widespread t-cell attack against all those *previous* spike proteins on the *other* side of the wall, may involve those organs in a cytokine storm, similar to the massive organ failure that has overtaken a tiny percentage of high-risk Covid-19 patients who can’t fight the surge.
The spike proteins in the jab have already saturated all the organs, and time will tell when the immune system will suddenly “wake up” to mount it’s attack against them.
And now fascist Fauci is creaming over the new and more dangerous Indian variant of his man made virus in NYC. NO normal virus does this. And all the atheist scientists will never point this out. No one is fighting for us that is in power.
My BFF died of a heart attack several years ago. Talking to my Dr. buddies, my BFF had the flu, and according to the Docs, the flu, and the resulting inflammation, can cause the plaque to break off and – wham! hit you in the heart. But, they don’t consider this a flu death. Without question people are getting inflammation (and clots) from the second shot.
I had an interesting conversation this morning with someone whose young adult son got a swollen lymph node in his neck after his first shot. When he took the second shot the bump in his neck got bigger.
Someone else said people are getting numbness and arthritic pain. My friend’s daughter had a high fever, was throwing up and had two seizures after her first shot, but still went back for the second one.
I think people have gone stark raving mad! WHO WILL PUT A STOP TO THIS?
It is. Your poor neighbor is an unfortunate example.
Because of his history and age, it is most likely that he had another myocardial infarction. Possibly he wasn’t taking his prescribed medication correctly. We don’t know. As my cardiologist told me, “Take your medication as prescribed, or you will die.” (He honestly said that to me, in the hospital, after my stents were placed)
If he had myocarditis, they would know it.
Statistically, 20% of people who have had a heart attack will have another one in the next five years (https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/04/04/proactive-steps-can-reduce-chances-of-second-heart-attack). Each year, there are about 335,000 recurrent heart attacks in the United States.
I know it is tempting to blame deaths on vaccination, but it probably isn’t the case.
By the way, the brother of a friend of mine died of a heart attack in his 40’s and had just had a complete checkup and pronounced perfectly healthy. This was a number of years ago, and he had not had a vaccination!
If you are going to engage in debate, you should hide the “admin” label, because this now looks like the official Treehouse position. Same for Menagerie. I used to come here a lot, but not so much lately and it is because of things like this. Very unprofessional looking. Either you are neutral admin, or just one of the regular treepers espousing a position. You should not have it both ways because that makes this website look biased.
Both Menagerie and I have been admins here for ten years, and volunteer our time. We have always expressed our opinions in the threads, and nobody complained about it. Shockingly, people have always been able to express their opinions, and our readership has grown steadily.
If I agreed with you, you wouldn’t be complaining, but because I say things that you don’t like, you complain, besides which I hardly ever comment any more. I think Menagerie has made all of two or three comments today.
99% of what is expressed here agrees with what you think. Isn’t that enough for you, or do you require an echo chamber?
If you feel happier elsewhere, then I can’t stop you. I don’t intend to stop commenting or hide that I am an Admin. Most people like it here because it is different, and not like everywhere else.
Having been an admin. on a political website, I find your presumptions about how and why a person would react in a given situation a problem. Yes, you have every right to express your opinion, however, as an administrator I also find your mind-reading attempt isn’t helpful to the situation.
Also, having cardiac disease myself, and being a researcher by profession (although not in the medical field) I have been reading cardiac research studies for over 25 years. There are many variables involved in the cardiac statistics, and taking those statistics out of context as you did and claiming them as “fact” is unfortunately not particularly useful and tends to lead to false information.
Argue with the American Heart Association, not with me. This is from the article I linked in the comment you are having a problem with:
After surviving a heart attack, you’re probably certain of this: You don’t want another one.
Yet, about one in five people who have had a heart attack will be readmitted to the hospital for a second one within five years. Each year, there are about 335,000 recurrent heart attacks in the United States.
What I said is fact, and I didn’t take it “out of context”. The likely scenario is that he had another heart attack, based on his age and medical history. And if he had myocarditis, the doctors would know that already. Yes, it could be the result of vaccination, but there is no indication that that is true, based on what was presented here. I never said that it wasn’t the case – just that it probably wasn’t.
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/04/04/proactive-steps-can-reduce-chances-of-second-heart-attack
As a trained researcher, you should know that coincidence isn’t causation.
So sorry that you don’t approve of my style as an admin. I’ve been doing it for 10 years here and on two other blogs, and we have had success beyond anything we would have imagined in the beginning. We aren’t your average blog, and we admins have always participated in conversation.
You are most likely here because we are different!
PS: I still think that if I was agreeing with what the commenter believes, he/she wouldn’t complain about my comments as an “admin”.
It just makes sense, and doesn’t take a mind reader to figure out.
By the way, the facts that I included in my comment are true. The stats about recurring heart attacks are correct. When I give an opinion, I say so.
All well and good. Still doesn’t mean that he didn’t die from the shot. And there are plenty of others dying from this shot that don’t have his liabilities. I’m sad for the people this is happening to but glad it’s showing up sooner than later so that people can start to research this better and put the eagerness to have everybody get a shot slowed the heck down. At least let’s not bully people into getting a shot that might be more dangerous to them than the virus itself.
Yeah that was kind of my point. He might have died from just a regular infarct he was due for anyway. But maybe the vaccine killed him prematurely. We don’t know. And there won’t be any accounting of this for years because of just dismissing it in older people. If it wasn’t s incredibly rare in young people we might never have noticed until ten of fifteen years from now when some statistitian is doing a retrospective analysis and see a big blip in the vaccine year among those who took the vaccine.
Don’t back down to the people who can’t hear a different opinion. Just keep it factual.
I’m not the “backing down” sort of person, and facts are important.
I don’t see any point in getting the vaccine when there is proven cures. And I believe allowing children to take the covid vaccine is abuse. Children do not have the same reaction to covid as adults. But again they too can take the drugs that Fauci himself said in 2005 in an article he wrote about the cures. Then we wouldn’t be having a conversation about how the TEST vaccine is killing people. And I know Drs and researchers that will not take the vaccine because it’s a unsafe vaccine.
This website comment section is full of people with faulty logic, but it is ok for there to be disagreement within the admin staff. They don’t have to be robots who toe the party line.
Thank you Guessed. We think that makes us better too. Sometimes we disagree with each other, but we do respect each other’s opinions. Stella got the vaccination and I did not, but as she said above, she has had a heart attack. I am unsure at this point what choice I would make if I had other health factors that put me more at risk, and I mean that. I do not know. She made that decision for herself, the only person who could and should have done so.
I think talking about those choices and our reasons contributes to the discussion and is of value. To the original reason I commented, you can never have a conversation at all when someone begins with a blanket condemnation.
There is a high likelihood of another MF within a year after you have one. The odds don’t get much better but they do a little bit. Which is why all the blood thinners and cholesterol drugs they have you take.
That said it is concerning the timing that these deaths are showing up soon after this shot. Correlation is not necessarily causation but there are more than just a few happening and they know that this therapy can cause clots due to an overactive immune system. In fact the virus itself and it’s ‘SPIKE’ does this also. Floods the system with anti bodies that then overwhelm the normal functions.
My father lived 47 years after his heart attack.
This is correct, even if he took his meds correctly.
We all die from something; it is still one death per person, and nobody gets out alive.
How wold they know? He dropped dead after his shot.
It was eight days later, right? You will never know if the vaccine caused or contributed to his death. We do know that the chance that it was just a heart attack is strong, based on statistics. Those are statistics, by the way, that are uncomfortable for me considering that I had a heart attack in September 2019!
I agree
And only 1-10% of deaths/side effects are reported to VAERS typically.
Since it is run by the agencies pushing this *vaccine* you have to wonder if what’s getting reported is being posted as well.
I know for certain that our Canadian version is actively preventing doctors from submitting reprots because some of them are complaining about it publicly. For example if you are an ER doc and had your patient drop dead and you think it was the vaccine the Canadian version of VAERS won’t accept your report unless you can provide the lot number of the vaccine the patient took. Also if you report something outside of the official government sanctioned lost of adverse affects your report gets tossed as well. And if you dare to complain about this then the government uses our lovely socialized medicine system to punish you by taking away your hospital privileges and punishing the community you live in by cutting off medical services.
Justin – do you time between vax and his heart attack? I’m asking b/c I’m collecting such anecdotes. Just the other day the CDC put an agenda item on their upcoming June 18 meeting – 800 myocarditis cases in young men.
If you look at the .com VAERS website in the Sundance post, it has distributions of time from vaccination to death. Clustering around 0-4 days with a very long tail.
I am skeptical of post-hoc ergo propter hoc, and especially am skeptical of claims of a death out to a month later in people who are at high risk of dying regardless of vaccination status (elderly with heart attacks/strokes).
Anaphylaxis in anyone the day of the vaccination gets my attention. Myocarditis in young people after vaccination gets my attention. Thrombocytopenia and clotting with a particular vaccine after that vaccine (which has been shown to be the mechanistic cause in some young people) gets my attention.
Six days.
What is happening is the suddeness of the clotting. The body can dissolve tiny bits at a time and if he had a MF he was on blood thinners and a special thing they give those who get a stent as they can get clogged faster in the first year. (I know I have to take it)
But all these things cannot deal with a large clot or a lot of little ones rushing down the artery all at once. They know it causes the clotting and that it happens rapidly (that’s those that get a headache right away).
I am on blood thinners and all that other stuff and will refuse to take any shot that might increase my clotting and I think I’ve got medical science now to back me up in case they try to bully me.
And THEY KNEW THIS FOR A WHILE. What else that they DON’T know because the tests were too short that will crop up in the 1st and 2nd year after the shot. That’s when a lot of side effects show up due to the body slowly reacting and it tips some balance somewhere. That’s why the FDA mandates all these tests and it takes years to go thru them all and get approval. All these rules by the FDA are written in death and disease caused by drugs being approved too soon or not at all.
Do you take Brilinta? I do. That, baby aspirin and Coreg. I have been vaccinated.
Did your Dr. still recommend the vaccine with your med. history?
My doctor was mute on the subject, and I didn’t ask. The hospital where he practices offered the vaccine and I decided to take it. No problems other than a sore arm. My second shot was on March 30.
I would be more convinced of myocarditis as a cause of death in a 24 year old than in a 67 year old who had a history of heart disease, stents, past risk factors, etc.
People with heart disease die of heart disease pretty regularly.
If he had gotten a clean bill of health an gotten COVID and died a week later in the hospital of a heart attack, would you say he died of COVID or would you say he died of the heart disease he was known to have?
I would say we’ll never know because it is too easy to dismiss it as a normal occurrence. But what if it wasn’t?
Autopsy.
That is why we should study death rates for the unvaccinated people (age/sex/race/geographically matched) versus the vaccinated people. This data should be findable, would serve as the equivalent of a randomized controlled study, and has no ethical issues. We could only vaccinate so many people at a time, and there were a lot of people not vaccinated in December, January, February, and maybe March.
My dear grandmother died when I was 16. It was Sunday and she ate dinner at our house every Sunday. We are pretty sure it was the carrots and had nothing at all to do with her old age, health conditions and simply that her time had come. So I can see how many people are so sure that the vaccine is killing people because carrots killed my grandmother. Same exact logic.
My next door neighbor at 70 had a heart attack days after his second shot. He was active , exercised regularly but did have a history of mild arythmias. He is alive and he had a defibrillator implanted. He is recovering well.
I agree that it will not be reported as an adverse event and will go by unnoticed.
Does your neighbor and his doctor think that the vaccine caused his heart attack, or do they believe it was because of his medical history? People with arythmias (even young ones) die of heart problems on a fairly regular basis. I know two young women (unrelated) who have this problem.
I haven’t asked my neighbor and he hasn’t volunteered. No one knows anyhow. And that’s mostly the case with medical issues. Sometimes you know what the cause is but often not (e.g. think miscarriages ). It seems to me the focus with the vaccine is not on arythmias, more on clotting in young people where you wouldn’t expect it.
If you want your neighbor’s death to be counted in VAERS, follow the link and report it. Anybody can report anything about anyone in VAERS.
I will not take the shot b/c it is not necessary, people are dying or being disabled as a result. Medicines (HCQ, Ivermectin) were/are available to treat and heal people who got COVID, yet the Govt, big tech, medical community and media silenced this information. If “available alternatives” existed the FDA would not have been able to issue an EUA for the “vaccine”. Sounds like the end game all along was the “vaccine” ($$). Why would the FDA/CDC and medical community NOT promote the use of these safe and effective (for decades) drugs to heal people and save lives?! More people have died from the shot in six months than all vaccines in the past 20 years. The Govt stopped the Swine Flu vaccine program in 1976 after 53 deaths. What is going on here? Can the Govt be trusted any longer?