As many people suspected, there is now a study from the Cleveland Clinic [SEE HERE] showing there is no need to vaccinate anyone who previously recovered from the COVID-19 virus. The vaccination provides no additional benefit.
CLEVELAND CLINIC – ♦ Conclusions – Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.
♦ Summary – Cumulative incidence of COVID-19 was examined among 52238 employees in an American healthcare system. COVID-19 did not occur in anyone over the five months of the study among 2579 individuals previously infected with COVID-19, including 1359 who did not take the vaccine. (details)
duh!
But thanks to Cleveland Clinic for being brave enough to actually SAY it.
Means a lot these days.
So would this not already be common knowledge with all those in infectious disease departments that those that get a corona virus do not get a repeat of the same virus because the antibodies produced?
You’d think so, no…?
Wonder if any others will join in with CC?
It’ll be interesting to see.
Ditto for all the “respected” Medical Journals, etc.
Well the way the media propaganda machine works is if it does not fit the official narrative, it is not reported. Like people who have positive things to say about Trump. If Orange Man bad is the narrative, you only get bad oranges in the basket.
“If it bleeds, it leads.”…is an old journalist saying to get people to buy newspapers.
People don’t like “boring” news. The fake news feeds have to keep everyone doom-scrolling for “BREAKING NEWS”…they live off the political passions they can antagonize and schisms they can create.
If they stopped doing that, they would have to work for a living. /s My opinion only.
The long-form pieces SD writes(go deep) are what I like, but I get caught up in the infotainment too.
I don’t think “if it bleeds it leads” is valid any longer. Salacious stories like hunter biden using the n word repeatedly don’t get reported.
The media is funded to create propaganda, and no longer needs to entertain its consumers.
This news wouldn’t be news to any “thinking” person. Unfortunately, many people no longer think for themselves. Instead, they wait for “pundits” and “experts” to tell them what to believe or do.
If you trust doctors…
“A total and complete sign off from White House Doctors yesterday.
“That means I can’t get it (immune), and can’t give it. Very nice to know!!!”
— Donald J. Trump Oct 11, 2020, Twitter
Or to put it another way, regarding antibodies:
You don’t need the jab…
If you test positive in the lab. 🙂
To be honest no one needs the jab, period. Not for a disease that has a +99% recovery rate in any one under the age of 70. And God only knows how many people have had it but figured it was the flu or a cold so they did not get tested. Then there are the untold number who had false positive PCR tests. ShamDemic!
Of course, looks like many cue up the ‘pretending not to know things’ way of existence thanks to collective pressures exerted to follow the party line or else face the consequences.
At a doctor’s appointment a month or so ago where there was a medical assistant who seemed on the younger side of the 20s, he basically volunteered that there ought to be a way to have everyone take the vaccine. I knew the back-and-forth would likely be a waste of time, but didn’t want to miss an opportunity to inject reality into the apparent autocratic frenzy.
I indicated that of course, that was not an advisable way to proceed medically, specifically because each person’s antibody count needed to be accounted for rather than having mandatory vaccines applied. I could almost see the wheels turning as he acknowledged the point.
Again, what should’ve been common knowledge appeared to have been bulldozed under a combination of pressure, fear, and in some cases potentially ambition to keep one’s current status on the job front and other fronts. Those who tend to go onto deferential mode when they see a white coat going forward need to keep such things in mind and never stop being their own advocate or the advocate of others simply because the “experts“ turn up the pressure because of the “science” of the moment.
Of course it is common knowledge. But for whatever reason, the media and the ruling oligarchy is very much invested in pushing these vaccines, so just like liberals, they pretend not to know things. I can’t believe my scientist husband took the damn vaccine just a few weeks after he got the Wu flu. He KNOWS he had immunity, but since he got Covid and got someone else at work sick, he didn’t want to rock the boat. F that, I say. They are all scientists at his workplace. They KNOW he has immunity, too. Honestly, we’ve become so stupid and sheeplike.
Rocket scientists might not know diddly-squat about Virology, and vice-versa.
I’ve come to the conclusion that people want to believe the propaganda (possibly subconsciously) even when they know it’s propaganda. This may explain your husband. Many can’t deal with the world as it is now, especially those of us who are middle aged who knew what the world was like before the hostile takeover began to become visible. Most just want their lives back and if that means getting the jab even though they know it’s dangerous and not helpful, they’ll get the jab.
The next phase we’re probably moving into is supply chain disruptions. Not the “soft” kinds like we’ve seen, but most likely disruptions that Americans won’t be able to deal with mentally. Like the jab, many will willingly give up their freedom for a chance to get their goods and services back even though they know (even subconsciously) the disruptions were intentional.
No, not necessarily. While many infections confer long-lasting immunity, a few do not. The consequences of getting it wrong are serious, so it had to be examined. The Cleveland Clinic study is good news indeed in this regard.
Common knowledge to those with common sense, ie Patriots.
There were many videos over the past 7 or 8 months made by doctors and virology experts who all said the exact same thing. If a person is infected and recovers then they have antibodies for awhile which immunized them against further infections. Then after the antibodies dissipate, the body’s B cells and T cells remember the code for those antibodies and can recognize future infections and manufacture the antibodies quickly – within 24 to 48 hours.
You’re perfectly describing human immunology. I can’t remember the number of frustrating conversations I’ve had since the ‘vaccines’ arrived:
Why are you getting the ‘vaccine’ if you’re sure you had covid?
Why are you wearing a mask after getting the covid ‘vaccine’?
Why do you need others to wear a mask if you’ve gotten the ‘vaccine’?
Will you get tested for previous exposure to covid before taking the ‘vaccine’?
I know I can get things wrong, but the lack of independent thought from most people is so frustrating. My neighbor, good guy, retorted once, “What, you don’t trust the experts?” I wonder what he’s doing with his Fauci doll today.
This lengthy video by a respected virologist reiterates your points. In particular, T cells are primed to fight variants after initial exposure to the virus.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NGcW2VfE5V0t/
If you were infected by COVID-19 you will not need to be injected with the “vaccine” or any booster shot.
Look at the mealy mouthed way they said it, though.
As if this study shows that we are making the safety from COVID of those who were already sick the priority.
They could have said it at the Presidential debate.
This is not bravery. Leading is bravery. They were simply followers. S L O W followers. They have sat by and watched people take experimental drugs, forced on them, by their gubt dictates. SHAMEFUL!
How many others have said it since forever and been cancelled because of it.
I said it. I had it. Even I know better. Hundreds of generations of people know better.
Nature at its finest. God’s gift is our human immunity system. Take good care of it and it is your best friend.
I agree! A precious gift. Someone, I think on this site, described one’s immune system as “a treasure.”
And I realize some may have compromised immunities, to a certain extent, and beyond our control in many cases, I am one, but it is still there and it knows. It does need nurturing, just as all humans do.
There’s much wisdom about the immune system and about fear of illness in a famous children’s book from 1911: Frances Hodgson Burnett’s The Secret Garden.
Pretty much all the accumulated wisdom was in it: Sunshine, fresh air, exercise, nutritious food – versus the disturbed and rigid character who wanted to keep a child trapped indoors for fear of outside air.
(None of the modern movies of this story have ever quite done the book justice, in my opinion. The most recent 2020 one with the otherwise brilliant Colin Firth was the worst. 1993 with Maggie Smith was pretty decent but with silly parts added. I’ve never seen the 1949 one but I suspect I’d like it best..)
I read it many times when I was a child. Now that I’m old I think of it every year in the garden – where I am now in practically all weather except blizzards – watching for sprouts in the early spring.
save a copy of it to your hard drive because it will be wiped from existence by morning.
They have a huge presence in Florida…do the math…..
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/florida
Good thing they didn’t check with the Lancet before publishing.
The corruption of the Lancet was as surprising to me as the corruption of the Supreme Court. I could never have imagined either one 10 years ago.
And yet here we are…
The entire justification of the media is to drown out the flow of information to the low info voter. They are economic sinks and not justified as actual businesses. In some cases of personal concern, low info voters actually seek out non MSM information and this is one of those. For independents, it just keeps adding to the accumulated experience of first hand observation of media malfeasance.
Americas Frontline Doctors . com
Mercola . com
Childrens Health Defense . org — Pfizer skipped critical testing
( The choice to look is yours )
duh!
A known fact, repeated by many reputable organizations and medical professionals. But unknown to the country’s expert ??? fauci the denier and his followers.
Vaccine trials didn’t include people who had recovered from covid. An Israeli study of over 6 million who’d recovered from covid showed around 96% efficacy, which is in line with what vaccine manufacturers are claiming the vaccines provide.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/06/previous_infection_is_superior_to_vaccine_for_covid_protection.html
Double duh!
Stop calling it a vaccine. Injection or experimental gene therapy will work. Calling it a vaccine reinforces the narrative. It’s the same as the left calling pro life anti abortion which actually I don’t care because I am both but it’s the optics that matter in the long haul.
Inoculation is the word.
Duh? I didn’t call it a vaccine. Maybe you meant to respond to Lanna.
Agree! I’ve listened to many videos by Frontline doctors & Dr. Shari Tenpenny, important fact is to call shots what they really are “experimental gene therapy” not shot or jab! By so many calling it “vaccine” they’ve conditioned people to believe it’s a vaccine, which IT IS NOT!
All these doctors also say it’s a crime against humanity to give these jabs to people, especially those under 50 years of age! Among the things we’re most likely going to see, in coming years, is increase in cancers; infertility; autoimmune disease; blood clots, early onset dementia, psychological problems from people being locked down, wearing masks & fear instilled in (mentally weak) people, just to name a few!
Does anyone know about this “magnet” issue with the injection?
I have seen a couple of pictures but haven’t heard the story.
Yes! Go to drtenpenny.com
you’ll find all kinds of information there! Including on the magnetic question you’re asking!
Here’s some info from Stew Peters.
Take it for what it’s worth.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/06/exposed-magnetism-intentionally-added-to-vaccine-to-force-mrna-through-entire-body/
Stop calling it a vaccine. Injection or experimental gene therapy will work. Calling it a vaccine reinforces the narrative. It’s the same as the left calling pro life anti abortion which actually I don’t care because I am both but it’s the optics that matter in the long haul.
I personally call the jab genetic manipulation genocide. Current research virologist and epidemiologist are excited about creating a jab that is contagious. You think we have problems now? We haven’t seen anything yet.
It’s not even clear if the so called vaccine creates antibodies. How many people that are getting the jabs are being tested for antibodies? This is assuming antibodies are the only way to be naturally immune which far from clear. The bottom line is science is far from totally understanding the immune system.
Does everyone that tested positive for the China Virus have Antibodies? Do people that take the so called Vaccine have Antibodies? Antibodies are not the entire immune system.
Not if the test rendered a false positive. Some tests were highly inaccurate to the point of worthless other than media hype.
I suppose that for the body to produce antibodies you would have to have the virus reenter the body. The body would just be effectively fighting off propagation that would develop to a symptom stage.
From what I have read it’s not clear if people that take the so called vaccine create antibodies. Also some people might have to the ability to fight off the China virus without antibodies. Not everyone that comes in contact with the China virus becomes infected. The science is not clear. I agree about the tests being faulty / suspect / misused.
I recently told Sundance about the interesting experience that my wife and I had just had. Yep… the COVID… it got us! But guess what? I ended up with little more than mild flu/cold symptoms for a couple weeks, and my wife, who actually has MS, had even milder symptoms than I did. Oh, and we’re both in our 60s. Anyway, one thing I jokingly told Sundance was that they’ll probably STILL try to tell us we need the vaccine (not to mention wear masks). Of course we had no intention of giving in… but now we also have this study to rub in their face if they try it.
Jello and his missus with the Rona! I’d have been worried to death (loss of at least one more life) had I known….. ?
I know, and that’s one reason I didn’t tell even Sundance until we were past the first week or so. I know you guys are far more logical about this whole “pandemic” thing than most people are, but I knew you’d still be worried. (Should have heard our two sons when they first found out. 🙂 ) Anyway yeah, we iz fine… love ya, Puddy.
Love ya back Jello!!! ?
Are you arguing for logic rather than emotion? Back to the CRT training for you, comrade. By the way, I had a shot a few weeks ago. Tequila.
The problem is you might not test positive for the antibodies. This is assuming you want some kind of proof. As I mentioned above some people that are exposed the virus don’t get it. What about them? The science is not clear on any of this.
That look on President Trump’s face – Priceless!
Gosh, who knew that your immune system could possibly react to Covid just like it reacts to every other pathogen you are exposed to?
this Fraudci-ism needs to end.
Some people that are exposed to the China virus don’t get it. What about them? They don’t have antibodies. The immune system is complicated. The science isn’t clear about any of this.
They might be someone with natural immunity. Just like some people have natural immunity to HIV.
If you are really exposed to the virus, then it got in your body. If you didn’t get symptoms, then your immune system fought it off before the virus count escalated, and you have antibodies. Your body found a way to fight off the spread. It is that simple, that is how the immune system works.
If you got symptoms, then the virus replicated faster than your immune system could clean it out. The virus then triggers an immune response — a fever to burn it out, sniffles to flush out the air passages, coughs to get it out of the lung mucus membranes.
If you weren’t exposed to the virus, but you thought you were thanks to a false positive PCR test, then you don’t have antibodies. That’s why we have PCR tests, because they are faster than a full lab test that searches for the antibodies. In which case the case counts were lying and this “pandemic” wasn’t any more serious than a bad flu year.
Here’s a partial answer to your question. I have seen this theory mentioned elsewhere for the past year, but you will never see it mentioned by MSM.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/a-common-cold-virus-may-help-fight-covid-19
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/09/200929123510.htm
So, will they finally treat those who are recovered but unvaccinated the same as the vaxxed folks? Dr. David McCullough said that if they are going to insist on vaccine cards or passports to travel or whatever, they should issue a “golden passport” for the recovered people with natural immunity, instead of insisting they need the shot, too.
My 89 yr old dad, who is in a veterans home in NH, recovered well from covid last December, and as his medical point person, I have been holding off on getting him vaccinated. I’d rather not, since he has natural immunity and has a blood disorder they are monitoring. I am concerned about blood clots or other side effects. However, I don’t want his being unvaccinated to keep him from enjoying field trips and such. So far they have been good about working with me and accommodating him — but I do see little differences creeping in as to privileges between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. Am hoping this may make them eliminate any differences in how either camp is treated…
He could get an Antigen test.
Send them the CC report. Keep it handy. And make clear to them that you will be on the lookout for any differential treatment or mistreatment of your father due to this vaccination status.
“Fully-vaccinated customers are no longer required to wear a mask while in our store.”
That’s the sign on all our local Walmarts. So like we’ve been doing in pretty much all other stores since this started, we just walk right on in unless physically stopped. That seems much less likely to happen now, at least at Walmart. But I’m just waiting for them to start ASKING maskless people if they’ve been vaccinated. My wife said she’ll just say “Of course”, but I told her NO! We’re not gonna play that game. So what we plan to say to them is “Are you SURE you want to ask us a question like that?” and start filming… “Okay, you had something you wanted to ask us?”
I have a card that came with my daughter’s medical insurance card. Since hers is a single policy, the second card reads, “Intentionally Blank.” I will use it if necessary.
Good grief! I wouldn’t even bother filming anything. I’d just respond, “None of your DAMN business!” and keep right on walking.
Actually smiling really confuses the crap out of them. When asked just say, Maybe. You will be long gone before they can process.
Months ago when the maskology was in full swing I went everywhere without.
When asked to put on a mask I would smile real big, keep walking and politely as possible say “No Thank you!”
I would cruise through the stores smiling and saying good morning/afternoon. It was Glorious.
They had no idea what to do.
(Only one serious confrontation, and I bet she thinks twice about ever yelling at someone in public again.)
Oh I agree. Pulling out my camera wouldn’t be for MY benefit, for me to “document” the encounter or anything like that. No, I meant it would be fun to do it to put FEAR in them. Make them think for a second, “Hmm, are they right? Can I actually get in legal trouble for this, I mean me personally?” 😉
If I’m ever asked if I’ve been vaccinated, I will reply “yes”, which is a truthful statement.
(I was vaccinated for polio at age 7).
[notice I left out the qualifier “Covid-19 vaccinated” in the first sentence.]
I’m planning on this response as well. So far have not needed it.
In any case I also self-identify as vaccinated. There is no practical difference at all between me and someone who is.
(I also self-identify as a famous and wealthy rock star, but somehow that choice hasn’t worked out quite as well…)
I have refused to wear a mask since Abbott cancelled the order in Texas. Several stores have those signs though. I haven’t been asked yet , but I plan to respond if asked, ” I identify as vaccinated”. lol
The aggressive campaign to promote vaccine compliance for a virus that has such a high survival rate, considering the precipitous drop in cases at this point, is worthy of scrutiny. Suspicion isn’t unwarranted IMO, especially as more data like this study come to light as well as data about the effectiveness of therapeutics like HCL and Ivermectin, etc. Warnings about the vaccines by some scientists, reluctance to comply by some healthcare professionals and practitioners shouldn’t be casually dismissed. I can’t help but wonder if the aggressive campaign could be more of a scheme to maximize profits rather than the wisest public health protocol.
Bingo. They invested a lot of money in those vaccines and want their money back.
I think the government already paid them (with our money) but it could be the insurance companies wanting to get their cut.
It’s always been about removing PDJT and taking away your freedoms BAMN.
Plus the trillions that are at stake
https://brokenroadradio.com/?p=7325&mc_cid=7b5a6ad124&mc_eid=d33c6a1705
The truth will out.
Not everyone that is exposed to the China virus becomes infected. Don’t need antibodies. Science doesn’t fully understand the immune system.
if you had the COV, you have developed immunity or you died. No vaccine for a virus you had and developed immunity against.
Some people that are exposed the China virus don’t get it. Why is that so? Are some people naturally immune without fighting off the China virus prior? I haven’t found anything that discusses this. Fact is some people don’t get infected when exposed. The scientist don’t fully understand the immune system . Another fact!
If you inhale the virus and the mucous membranes capture it, you swallow it and it passes through the GI tract. If it gets to your lungs, it triggers the production of some kind of peroxide that kills it so you exhale it (assuming you are not wearing a face covering to recycle it). If there is a leak in the GI tract or the circulatory system so the virus invades the blood stream, white blood cells and other more complicated stuff happens. This virus can make that part of the immune system go nuts and attack healthy cells, so steroids are used to calm it down late in the infection. Seems the Creator was pretty smart with his design.
I agree, I think many already had some level of natural immunity so they didn’t get seriously sick or develop the T-cells for Covid. How else to explain the mild to no symptoms among the youth?
Well, haven’t coronaviruses, a great many of them, been round for a long time?
I’ve occasionally wondered whether T-cell immunity to any coronavirus works for this one…
Just a thought. No medical knowledge here.
Reposted from a response to your earlier comment.
Reply to Sabreman
Here’s a partial answer to your question. I have seen this theory mentioned elsewhere for the past year, but you will never see it mentioned by MSM.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/a-common-cold-virus-may-help-fight-covid-19
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/09/200929123510.htm
ICYMI – FYI – WTF — Trust Science — ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —
The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus… the people had at least 3 out of 5 immune-system components that could recognize SARS-CoV-2 up to 8 months after infection.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
What about people that are exposed to the China virus and don’t get it? Don’t have antibodies. Fact is scientist do not fully understand the immune system.
Viral Load…
Its why asymptomatic and those with mild symtoms don’t(no significant) spread it …
I am saying people that don’t get it and are exposed. Not asymptomatic and test positive.
The fact is YOU don’t understand the immune system, and you’ve posted the same thing over and over again.
Scientists understand more about the immune system than you do, and I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain to to you.
They don’t understand enough that is for sure. There are people that don’t get this virus (and didn’t have it prior) that are exposed to it. You can take a hike !
T cell and NK cell stuff. That is about all I know about it.
Those are the good guys and they tend to reduce with age but it varies among people.
Some people have more than others.
What is known about the immune system today is greater than yesterday but nowhere as much as five or ten years from now or maybe even a year from now. As to Sabrerman’s question concerning differences in asymptomatic vs symptomatic disease, it is an astute question and probably will be a significantline of study in coming years. It could be as Dan Dan implied due to the infectious dose. It could be due minor genetic variations in the virus that is slightly less infectious. It could be due the the individual having previously encountered a pathogen with similar epitopes (cross reactive immunity). Another possibility are It be some unrecognized genetic polymorphism possibly related to expression of ACE2 or differences in the innate immune system plausibly as it relates to innate lymphoid cells (ILCs). It could be a blend of these or something totally different and likely it will not be the same for all. The immune system is complex and the more that is learned about it the more complex it becomes. The interesting quote is not from 2018, ” The past decade of research on ILCs has moved at an extraordinary pace and yielded many exciting advances; however, the study of ILCs in modulating adaptive immunity is still in the early stages of development. ” from Functional interactions between innate lymphoid cells and adaptive immunity Gregory F. Sonnenberg 1* and Matthew R. Hepworth 2*.
Thanks! This is what I was getting at but didn’t supply the detail. I searched around some and found that early on there was more discussion (T Cells ect.) but now it’s overwhelmingly about Vaccines and Antibodies from a prior infection (see Cleveland Clinic) .
Answer, your innate immune system, which tends to be much stronger when you are younger. Hence why illness among kids was exceedingly low. Its only the learned portion of your immune system that makes lasting T-cells that will produce antibodies should the virus show up again.
I agree about the innate immune system (which is not fully understood) but I am not sure about the rest. From what I read none of that is clear. I like what Jerry wrote above.
So, what you’re saying, Cleveland Clinic is that 1000s of years of human immunology still holds true?
Ok, got it, thanks. Please make this required reading for all of those who think vaccine passports are a good idea.
It won’t help.
It’s astounding to me how so many in our society, leaders, scientists, etc., suddenly throw known principles of science out the window. Our immune systems didn’t suddenly change and stop working for THIS virus. They’ve worked as they’ve always done for thousands of years.
It is true that the elderly sometimes do not mount a robust immune response to infection. That’s also true when they’ve been vaccinated. So whether previously infected or if they’ve taken the mRNA vaccine, they might not have antibodies.
To me, the wisest course of action is to find a treatment protocol that works. If every elderly person needs to have HCQ on hand, so be it. I’d go for that over some new vaccine that does God knows what in my body.
It is both a wonder and a shame that the first victims of COVID-19 to die were
Mr. Common Sense and Mrs. Established Medical-Science.
May they NOT rest in peace.
Throwing known principles of everything out the window is what the current crop of leftist totalitarians do.
Science
Math
Economics
Biology
Civics
Language
I’m having a hard time thinking of a major area in which they haven’t wrought havoc!
The entire Political Cult is nothing to believe. Do not trust any of the shots. THEY ARE NOT VACCINES.
https://vokalnow.com/video/3908
great videos, everyone do your research, listen, watch, no vaccines. Dr. Bryon Ardis
“Get the Jab!” is about interfering with antibody studies that would show the natural progression of Covid:
How far and fast it spread before we ever put a mask on.
Stanford Study from APRIL 2020
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v2
“These prevalence point estimates imply that 54,000 (95CI 25,000 to 91,000 using weighted prevalence; 23,000 with 95CI 14,000-35,000 using unweighted prevalence) people were infected in Santa Clara County by early April, many more than the approximately 1,000 confirmed cases at the time of the survey.”
Perhaps as many as 91,000 people had been exposed by APR 2020, while Santa Clara County was reporting only 1000 cases.
10 x as many people NEVER EVEN KNEW they had Covid
It was never about the virus.
What if you don’t know if you’ve had covid-19, I read that some people don’t show symptoms or a very mild case that didn’t require seeing a doctor.?? I’m waiting for an “approved vaccine” before getting a shot, however long that takes.
Why not just have Ivermectin on hand??? Remember, this is 99% recoverable!
Imagine a vaccine so safe, you have to threaten people to take it, and a disease so deadly, you have to be tested to see if you’ve got it.
First of all, these are not vaccines. Research online with all kinds of doctors indicating the entire truth about these jabs. No virus included in the shots, not approved by FDA and only experimental. Now they are referring to the shots as a method of reducing the population of humans. Never let your children get a jab. try this site for just one of many thedrartisshow.com
My dad gave me the nickname Rebel when I was a little kid.
Follow the $$$; always follow the $$$. It is the only way to know the truth.
You can take a blood test to look for signs of T-cells for Covid.
One problem though, and the evidence is in how the younger and more healthy you are, the less likely you had any symptoms when exposed. Namely your innate immune system took out the virus well before the memory portion needed to utilized.
Thus you had the virus, didn’t get sick, and have no signs in your immune system that you ever had it.
I heard from a friend that you get a test of whether you have COVID-1984 antibodies if you donate blood.
I’ve been toying with the idea of trying that out. However, I wonder whether TPTB will now insist that only the vaccinated can give blood – “the better to fill you with spike proteins, my dear!”
But this is predicated on a scientific study that doesn’t support the agenda. It will soon be debunked by talking head propagandists as an effort to discredit the great Dr. Fraudci.
Glad to see Cleveland Clinic doing the right thing.
I was very disappointed when a CC doctor told me a couple weeks ago that there is no treatment for Covid. I sent them a message of Dr. Marek’s protocol that includes Ivermectin when they sent me a survey after my visit.
I am going to see about getting information to them. A friend of my husband’s wife is head of nursing at one of their hospitals. I also think they are conservative, so if I see them, I will talk to her and also refer that article about Ivermectin, “The Drug that Cracked Covid”.
Sweden had it right all along!
Glad an entity so well respected was willing to step forward with what We the People have known since all this started.
Which also explains why the scum never point out natural herd immunity having been achieved long ago. Gotta get those jabs, gotta make that money, gotta have those human guinea pigs.
Quit falling for the globalists’ schemes. Do what you know you need to do. If you catch it react quickly, go to your doc and insist on taking Ivermectin or HCQ/Z-pac/zinc.
I want to know where the majority of the spike proteins in the jab go?
Do they penetrate every cell in the body?
Do these spike proteins cause auto immune response where they over attack even good cells?
Do they somehow get through the blood brain barrier?
Do they gather in large amounts in the reproduction organs of men and women?
Where are the animal studies? Where are the pregnancy studies? Where are the long term effect studies?
I’m no scientist but isn’t there a way to use some type of dye in this jab that can be traced via a CAT or MRI scan as to where exactly these spike proteins go?
Now imagine if these spike proteins do indeed gather in large amounts in the brain or in the reproduction organs?
Would that help explain why there is this massive obsession to jab children?
Imagine the outrage from people IF the scientific documentation were to show a unusually large amount of spike proteins gather in the reproduction organs of people as some have stated and the people were never told?
Where are the honest scientists who should be following and reporting just exactly where these spike proteins are going in the body?
If everybody afraid?
All for a virus where 99.8% of the people recover and especially those without underlying serious health conditions.
If I may be permitted: Check out the Web site, Health Impact News, and Mercola[.]com. You will find all the sources, documents, interviews, reports, studies, etc., you could want. Only thing you might be short of is time to read, listen to, view, all you want to. Hope this helps.
Dr. Fauchi is a mass murder. He is personally responsible for the crippling and death of millions of people. He should face the consequences for such crimes in this life.
And, do you suppose the NIH director of bioethics, Christine Grady, RN, PhD reviewed Fauci’s gain of function grant approvals? What? Wife question hubby’s work? Nah……
Canada has just introduced its first vaccine passport in the province of Manitoba. If you have the electronic passport you are rewarded by having the right to have visitors if you are in hospital or a long term care home, providing your proposed visitors have also had the vaccine. There are more exciting new freedoms for those with the passport to come in the following weeks. That was sarcastic in case you missed it.
So then, no one needs the vaccine based on how contagious the virus is and how many asymptomatic super spreaders are running around.
Close up shop, moving along.
Why does anyone need these genetic experimental shots?
Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin and zinc knock the “disease” out just fine, for far less, in less time, with no side effects or other lethal risks.
Why would any sane person get jabbed unnecessarily?
Can you cite how many asymptomatic super spreaders actually exist and have actually spread the “disease”?
But the phony fears deliberately created by “authorities” and “experts” and officials have definitely closed up businesses and families and normal human life, detrimentally. And they just get a pass from their “colleagues” and move along to wreak havoc with their next phony fear scheme.
This is how all other viral vaccines work. Once you have primary infection, you then develop ABs that the vaccine is designed to elicit. Hence the vaccine is mute (besides highly variable influenza) after primary infection. We have known this for a long time, but sheep are stupid.
Took the T-detect test after having covid. Positive result. Lots of T-cells. No jab for this retired RN
Will be very interesting to see if it passes peer review without edits. We will see if the powers to be will try and kill it. This will show if we can accept common sense and reality.
Talk about missing the forest because of the trees. The study may say those who previously had disease don’t need the shot but that EVERYONE else does need it.
Why?
You guys are missing it; get the kids involved! (To the time of “Brick in The Wall”, Pink Floyd ). “We don’t need no Vaccination!” …..”We don’t need no mind control!” “ Our mums & pops have swallowed a big One….led astray with media fear control….”Hey! Fauci! Leave those kids alone!! All in all I’d say you’re, just another pick in my arm! All in all I’d say you’re the Antagonist in Animal Farm!!”
Anyone needing to inform a young person or wanting to get them involved, find the video of “Just Say No” rap song by RC. Very well done.
(I tried to link to it but the video posted.)
Such an arrogant little prick.
As Stalin infamously and casually remarked, “One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.”
Birds of a feather, and all that.
There has been plenty written regarding the danger of vaccinating those who have had covid (of course, how would you really know that you actually had covid when even the CDC says that test cycles over 35 (and probably 28) are invalid. LabCore and Quest use 38 and 40.?
https://off-guardian.org/2021/04/30/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-15/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/dr-mccullough-sounds-alarm-covid-jabs-covid-19-vaccines-produce-dangerous-wuhan-spike-protein-audio/
A covid testing company outlook:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4433629-quidel-is-it-still-a-winner-in-a-post-covid-world
Unfortunately, the administration instead of looking at studies, by well known, reputable groups and other health professionals, that confirm these findings. Are instead listening to one of their own, who is out of his depth and unqualified. Fauci has proven many times, that he has no clue on how to proceed. He’s letting his pride get in the way, and everyone can see, he’s an incompetent fool. He came out of med school and decided to practice bureaucracy, instead of medicine.
Now let some more of these dominoes fall and perhaps we can save our country’s future before all of our children and grandchildren are poisoned by the elites and a government no longer of the people by the people and for the people.
So for the people that had the chinee flu and got the vaxx, what’s it gonna do to their immune system?
Right from the get go, I’ve always had a 6th sense about the “good” Dr. Fauci & Dr. “Scarves” Brix. Never trusted them – the little Napoleon always was a little to eager to have his mug all over tee vee giving interviews (and now we know was busy on the side writing a book about the “pandemic”).
If anyone here at TCH knows of either of these doctors benefiting financially from investments in the drug companies producing the “vaccine” would you please post them here in your responses? Those of us who have been reluctant to comply could use the information. I’ve been called a bad American for not being willing to get the jab because I’m contributing to continued lock downs and a drag on the economy getting back up to what it was pre -pandemic.
I believe there have been several posts indicating that Fraudci benefited from the “vaccine.” Try searching this site and other reputable news sources.
If true, that’s frightening. But forgive my skepticism since this is second (or third) hand knowledge and images can be (and often are) Photoshopped.
And finally, if true, what does this mean for those getting blood transfusions from a previously “jabbed” person?
There is no longer any source anywhere for real truth. We have to look at all the possibilities while keeping in mind WHO is doing this and WHY….
Interesting times, make up your own mind
Check out the Web sites Health Impact News and Mercola[.]com for documentation in all this.
According to news sources, there is now no pure, untainted blood supply free of this “disease” contamination, either through direct infection or through the experimental gene splicing injections.
Only way to more or less guarantee yourself/loved ones who have not either knowingly had the “disease” or taken a jab, is to have your own blood banked privately, which has always been the best idea. (You can designate that your blood be kept for you and not distributed into the general supply, and only it used if you should ever need a transfusion. You can arrange this at your local blood bank/drive. This became popular with the advent of HIV/AIDS and the sudden rise in STDs.)
They are now focusing on ‘get your adolescents vaccinated…the varient is increasing their hospitalizations”. Heard it on the radio, this morning.
They just won’t leave us alone.
I don’t know what the vaccines are doing to us health wise or what our Betters intend them to do. I do know what the vaccines are doing money wise.
More vaccines = more money to Pharma = more money to Pols and Operatives.
You have to all watch this!!!
https://www.facebook.com/leslie.johnson.395891/posts/4418495034845980
Scary but I have no doubt it is true. When are We the People going to stop this evil?
Bill Gates has said IIRC that the $10 Billion he invested in vaccines is the BEST return he’s ever made. What’s it worth now? $20 Billion and counting.
Killing a few kids and old people ready to check out anyway is acceptable when the elite are making that king of $$.
And Fauxi is now saying to wear double masks-over you eyes. The scumbag doesn’t want you reading his emails.
The researchers on this morning war room explained in detail what to expect for those injected in the future cold and flu season and it’s not good.
I doubt there is a variant. Just people getting sick and having severe reactions due to the shots. Especially those who get a shot and have already had the fauciflu. Have an extended family member (20-something) that was in that category—-she was violently shaking, had fever, etc.
Variant = some other coronavirus. There are many, many different coronaviruses which all cause … the common cold. COVID-19 was a particularly nasty one, but there are thousands (perhaps millions) of coronaviruses out there. And, mutations being what they are, COVID-19 is more likely to mutate into a LESS deadly form. A virus that kills its host is not a successful virus.
Thank you for that clarification. I guess what I was thinking when I posted was that the media/virus-obsessed bunch is using that word ‘variant’ to infer a new plague that will be wipe us all out! ?
They are referring to some mutation/evolution of the COVID-19 variant. Viruses are constantly changing and evolving, which is how they can trace the virus. Remember the variant that infected the East Coast of the US came in via Europe; the variant in other parts of the country came directly from China. They’re trying to scare us.
is the news god? thats the issue. they have indoctrinated us to trust the news. only one person destroyed their credibility publically – knowing it was the only way to save America.
i know you don’t trust them. a good way to keep combatting is to tell every dem you talk to Fox News is as much of fake news as CNN. Unity.
The “vaccine” is the bioweapon.
And for some reason other studies are being ignored too, such as the published report in the Lancet which states the use of plexiglass barriers in schools and office buildings is adversely affecting indoor airflow. These barriers aren’t helping, they are actually interfering with air circulation which of course will lead to increased flu and colds. The article points out that adequate air flow is very important indoors and inside closed spaces. Yet, without any research at all many facilities went ahead and installed barriers in classrooms, restaurants, and workplaces without knowing the detrimental effects.