Amid our national discussion and evidence of wide-spread mail-in ballot vote fraud; and considering the January 6th role of the Senate to certify the 2020 presidential election; and considering a report from Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, is forthcoming with previous assertions of “foreign interference”; and considering five states are sending dual sets of electors; there has been some discussion about “The Guarantee Clause” within the constitution and how it might uniquely apply to 2020.
Here’s the discussion as best I can explain it:
[Article IV – Sec.4] The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
“The Guarantee Clause” – “At its core, the Guarantee Clause provides for majority rule. A republican government is one in which the people govern through elections. This is the constant refrain of the Federalist Papers. Alexander Hamilton, for example, put it this way in The Federalist No. 57: “The elective mode of obtaining rulers is the characteristic policy of republican government.” [citation] “The Clause requires the United States to prevent any state from imposing rule by monarchy, dictatorship, aristocracy, or permanent military rule, even through majority vote. Instead, governing by electoral processes is constitutionally required.”
Additionally, The Electoral Count Act or the Electoral Count Act of 1887 is a US federal law stating procedures for the counting of electoral votes by Congress following a presidential election. It was enacted in the aftermath of the disputed 1876 presidential election between Rutherford B Hayes and Samuel J Tilden. In that election, several states submitted competing slates of electors and a divided Congress was unable to resolve the deadlock. [citation]
Essentially, the Electoral Count Act (1887) requires states to complete their certification of electors to congress by a certain date. The conversation prior to the November 2020 election surrounded whether the COVID pandemic would interfere with the deadlines for state elector certification given the massive numbers of ‘mail-in’ ballots; and whether the counting of them would break through the deadlines imposed by the Act.
A combination of The Guarantee Clause (constitution) and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 (law), establishes the framework for some to argue a fraudulent 2020 election result can successfully be challenged during congressional certification on January 6, 2021. Thus five state legislatures -under Republican control- have sent dual-sets of electors to congress: Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Georgia and Pennsylvania.
Let us be clear… There is little framework for this type of constitutional issue. This is uncharted territory, and consequently there is no body of law or case study upon which to apply a historic reference. However, that said, the issue of Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, producing a report about foreign election interference could be a fulcrum issue upon which “The Guarantee Clause” of the constitution may apply.
Here’s where it gets interesting…. The Guarantee Clause puts the jurisdiction in the hands of the political bodies, executive branch and legislative branch, to decide the merit of any state vulnerability in their election outcome. There is little, if any, place for the judicial branch to play a role.
In Luther v. Borden (1849), the Supreme Court held questions involving the Guarantee Clause nonjusticiable, meaning that any remedy for a violation would lie with Congress or the President, not the federal judiciary. Nearly one hundred years later, the Court sweepingly declared that the guarantee of a republican form of government cannot be challenged in court. Colegrove v. Green (1946). (citation)
The federal government, not the state government, ultimately holds the responsibility to protect the entire United States from foreign interference within the Guarantee Clause. This would seem to apply to foreign election interference. “[B]ecause protection against invasion or domestic violence is normally available only from Congress and the President, the structure of this section suggests that the political branches have at least the primary duty to carry out its obligations.”
If DNI Ratcliffe produces a report (prior to January 6th) that outlines foreign interference in the election; and if the argument can be made the states with the contested (dual sets) of electors were subjects/targets of that interference; then a foundation to nullify the electors from the contested states is laid in congress.
In this approach the electoral nullification argument would appear to rest on The Guarantee Clause; where the state election outcome was not valid – as it is not representative of a republican form of government, and the majority vote requirement was manipulated.
If this type of legislative challenge was to take place, there is little precedent for the judicial branch to be involved except to qualify what role The Guarantee Clause would/could play and to what extent the nullification arguments are constitutionally valid.
Again, this is all uncharted territory. However, there are people claiming this process could work to keep President Trump in office. The disqualification of the contested state electors under this argument would ultimately fall upon Vice President Mike Pence who is also President of the Senate and in charge of the January 6th electoral vote certification.
There is a lot of “if-this-then” etc within this framework, and all of it ultimately is predicated on congress challenging the election (still unknown); and VP Mike Pence then deciding which electors would be certified or nullified (long-shot); but that seems to be the argument some are making.
I wonder why DNI John Ratcliffe is taking so long to produce his report?
Last thought… I have absolutely no idea if this can work, I am just summarizing a set of theoretical arguments that appear to be surfacing. Remember, we all want the best outcome for our nation and nerves are frayed…. let us be kind to each-other in fellowship.
“One nation, under GOD“…
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Fascinating document your Constitution.
PDJTs retweet earlier today from an individual stating this is not election fraud, but treason. Is most interesting.
It sure seems like PDJT has the goods.
Beyond genius, inspired by God.
Indeed.
It is attempted genocide of honest elections in America. It is crimes against humanity.
NO question we did not have an election, we had a massive fraud event that was called an election !
Too simple and no it was not at all legal and must be rescinded immediately and all the criminals involved tried for treason and sedition ! And that is a lot of people to be sure, so lets start rounding them up ASAP ! We will also have to destroy PRAVDA/MSM, their propaganda arm as well and all involved in that tentacle of their propaganda arm.
China owns everybody and Biden was the China candidate. It dos not matter how big and powerful our military is if the battlefield is political trenches.
The weakness of voting in leaders is it takes money and leaders can be bought. The enemy is already inside the wire.
Everybody would notice a tank in the street but nobody sees the wire transfers. The weapons have no explosion, No flash or bang to draw your attention to the front line activity.
Conventional war returns flag draped coffins coming out of the back of a C-130. China is about to drape a flag over our country. No shots fired.
Seems as though nearly everyone has been bought and paid for.
CCP’s adaptation of Invasion of the Body Snatchers or Puppet Masters
where “they” are (closer to) winning
Even if he has the “goods,” then what? The judicial and legal enforcement system? Lol
Read the article again (or once).
Sundance was clear that this happens independently of the judicial branch.
And a lone judge in Hawaii couldn’t stop national immigration policy. Uh huh…
Good point Pat. I read for years from all the arm chair lawyers on here that Obamacare and DACA would be set aside. So can the veteran trollsters keep this comment in mind when people take opposing views on what will occur on Jan 6? Way too many people who want to be hall monitors.
“Last thought… I have absolutely no idea if this can work, I am just summarizing a set of theoretical arguments that appear to be surfacing. Remember, we all want the best outcome for our nation and nerves are frayed…. let us be kind to each-other in fellowship.”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341948611131822083?s=20
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341948764068704256?s=20
This might be the right time to insert “The Lion Speech”.
I no longer watch the TV news, so I hadn’t yet heard about such a tweet. Thanks for bringing it up.
I have been calling it treason for a long time now. It was obvious from the first, with Comey’s personal “insurrection”.
It’s common sense that one state using massive fraud to secure an outcome, would be UNFAIR to other states, as it could alter outcomes of NATIONAL elections.
JEFFERSON
Electoral College Tie
The tickets in the election were Federalists Adams and Charles C. Pinckney against Democratic-Republicans Jefferson and Burr. The ballots for the electoral college weren’t counted until Feb. 11, 1801, when it was discovered that the election was a tie.
Jefferson and his running mate, Burr, each received 73 electoral votes. Adams received 65 votes and Pinckney received 64. John Jay, who had not even run, received one electoral vote.
The original wording of the Constitution, which didn’t distinguish between electoral votes for president and vice president, led to the problematic outcome. In the event of a tie in the electoral college, the Constitution dictated that the election would be decided by the House of Representatives. So Jefferson and Burr, who had been running mates, became rivals.
The Federalists, who still controlled the lame-duck Congress, threw their support behind Burr in an effort to defeat Jefferson. While Burr publicly expressed his loyalty to Jefferson, he worked to win the election in the House. Hamilton, who detested Burr and considered Jefferson a safer choice for president, wrote letters and used all his influence with the Federalists to thwart Burr.
House Decides
The election in the House of Representatives began on Feb. 17 in the unfinished Capitol building in Washington, D.C. The voting went on for several days, and after 36 ballots the tie was finally broken. Jefferson was declared the winner and Burr was named the vice president.
It is believed that Hamilton’s influence weighed heavily on the outcome.
https://www.thoughtco.com/election-of-1800-deadlock-broken-1773859
Its gonna happen!
Pray for the best, and prepare for the worst…
See all you Treepers out in DC on Jan 6th!
You always keep things simple and easy to understand. For that, I thank you! God bless. ☺️
Another ‘thread of hope” to hang onto.
Thanks Sundance.
A governor who knowingly certifies electors from an election he knows to be fraudulent is committing a serious crime, treason. Some governors may be shown to have ties to the CCP and even be members of the CCP, which strengthens the charge of treason.
Both President Trump and Sidney Powell warned governors against doing this.
BTW, flying the “An Appeal to Heaven” flag at my home since November 4th.
Great minds think alike! Mine has been up since November 1.
On January 6th, it will get changed out to the “Join or Die” flag.
And after January 20th, should the worst happen, this flag will fly:
The state governors will blame certifying the electors on their Secretary of States. The Secretary of States will blame the election boards.
See how that works?
I assume a report from Ratcliffe is vital for Pence to be successful. But he needs absolute proof and with the intel community not playing ball, I would not want to guess what the play will be.
No, reasonable proof..rarely in life or courts do you have absolute truth..although the bolsheviks in
media will do all they can to claim that..is required. Media is part of the coup and must also pay
I think this is highly speculative. Ratcliffe has been very non-committal thus far about any of this in the few statements he’s given. There are a couple things going on – first is all the intel community has been compromised for years. They think they can control China if they let them in, more than they can control Trump. Neither is accurate. Second, Ratcliffe was a junior congressman. Who knows where his loyalties actually lie when it comes to this? Third – Pence – who knows where he’s at?
But – if this is the play and it’s been mapped out – Pence can say “Due to classified information I’m privy to…” and throw out the fraud votes. Make the democrats and the media howl and demand to see the info. Dispose of the “sources and methods” arguments they use to hide anything counter to their narrative. “Sources and methods” is code for “exact opposite of what our lies are” or “embarassing to government agencies.”
Frankly I think all the above is unlikely. With the number of inner circle people who would have to know about this I just don’t see a way none of it would have leaked by now, and we’d see some RINOs lining up to pretend to be conservatives again once it’s apparent the game is up. And we’re not seeing that. The ENTIRE senate is Team China, with the possible exception of Tuberville and that’s an unknown.
He needs receipts, not kraken.
Sundance- once again, I don’t have the words to thank you enough for all that you are doing during the darkest days of our great Republic. Your thoughtful research and analysis always provide a bedrock of sanity and purposeful thinking that are much needed in these tumultuous times.
Here is a link to the American Thinker article by Ted Noel that I believe started this discussion and opened our eyes to the possibilities you outlined:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/its_for_mike_pence_to_judge_whether_a_presidential_election_was_held_at_all.html
Seneca, I agree with your take on this as well. I no longer see this as an election, but rather as a hostile takeover attempt of our country by enemy forces, masquerading as a political party. An electoral vote counting Law can never supersede the Constitution, but I believe this provision of the Twelfth Amendment was put there to guard agonist a corrupt Governor and SOS falsifying an election, not an exercise in petty rule-making to appoint the President of the Senate an empty suit pouring the tea with the crumpets
I would put it the other way around, and I think Sundance has, previously.
It was PDJT’s Candidacy and Election, that was the “Hostile takeover”.
The enemy already HAD firm control over our Government, Legislature, Judiciary, Buerocracy, Military leaders, etc.
In their mind, it was a “done deal” until DJT descended the escalator.
HE got us, the “stockholders” (and stakeholders) to vote him in as CEO, over the strong objections of the Board of Directors, Union leaders, Suppliers and Employees OF “the Company”.
THATS the “Hostile Takeover”,…seems to me.
This makes a lot of sense as to how the establishment has seen, and reacted to, a President Trump. Excellent way to explain what’s happening and the disconnect between DC and its gang of enablers and the rest of the country.
You don’t — can’t — “takeover” criminals, traitors. You show them for what they are, and you take them out, once and for all.
It’s this last paragraph which is the most concerning. It’s the “ok, would it be any worse?” question.
“Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country. If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made. But is the country governable even now? Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their “emergency” “COVID-related” restrictions. Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific. Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war. How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?“
The status quo is a very powerful drug. I can guarantee that a central argument in those Supreme Court decisions before Christmas was preserving the status quo. An election is held, there are some ceremonies patting ourselves on the back about the peaceful transfer of power, and then a speech on Inauguration Day.
Breaking the status quo is rightly referred to as revolutionary (Galileo). Could it be any worse? Yes, it could be a nightmare. We cannot duck this issue, because it will be central to the Government Party’s efforts to install Biden.
It’s the “what cones next?” question that must be addressed. It cannot be a “Well, we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” scenario. If Pence mans-up and does this, the violence on our streets could easily dwarf last summer. But I don’t think Tram Red sits this one out expecting Governors, Mayors, and local law enforcement to protect them. Anybody recommending a break from the status quo has to confront the very string probability of bloodshed and destruction.
OTOH, if Pence operates within the status quo, he and others may calculate that Team Red is not predisposed to violence. Therefore, electing Biden buys the Republic time, and maybe we can have a free and fair election “next time” after some meaningless “reforms” are passed. The GA election is a test of that because it represents a return to the status quo “save the Senate to stop the Democrats”.
Democrats, bureaucrats, left wing media, Conservative Inc media, and eGOP are all banking on the status quo.
That’s what makes 1/6 so critical. A million people isn’t enough. 3-4 million are needed. It has to shut the Capitol down.
It has to breach the lines and break the status quo.
Sundance & Fellow Treepers – Your efforts are deeply appreciated and much welcomed. Let us pray that we can keep our Republic without having to fertilize the Tree of Liberty.
Oh, “save us from having to use force!” Against a government full to bursting with traitors to their oaths and responsibilities.
Get thee to a nunnery, Ophelia.
I want everybody to read up on , say, the Stoics, or the “Semper Fi” Marines.
Sad thing is, we shouldn’t have to think of relying on this.. The election was so obviously stolen
It is in a way sad nigella3.
I imagine how sad and upset out patriots and Founding Fathers and Mothers were when they realized that they had to leave their dream of being a part of the British Crown behind and start new.
They always thought that they would be an equal part of the British Crown with seats in Parliament and now they were faced with a huge task of breaking new ground.
Our country has gone through that as well as World wars and our own Civil war with our citizens thinking “This is awful how will we ever survive this”.
I imagine that at the time all they wanted to do was live a good life and prepare a ice easy future for their children.
We now tell their history as though it all happened as planned but to those living through it, life was suppose to be different from their point of view.
And now we are in their shoes.
We must struggle through with the same feeling of “what do we do next and who do we trust” with our plans for our families futures blown out of the water either a little bit or quite a bit.
We are indeed plowing new ground here and thanks to Sundance I am just about able to keep informed as to what might be going on and what we might expect next.
I do know that we will win this.
And I also know that it will not be easy.
The difference with Sundance’s explanation and all others I’ve read is that Sundance makes CLEAR the fact that this election and status of all of the proceedings to date puts the country into uncharted territory with no precedent upon which to base judgements or decisions.
That means that any decision in President Trumps favor (a correct and just decision given the overwhelming evidence of massive electoral fraud) will be met with immediate screams of political bias, illegality, and or corruption. The entire US legacy media, DemoCommunist politicians, Leftwing pundits, celebrities, and Twitter Commies will all shriek in unison.
There is No room here for moral or political cowards, of which there are multitudes among the political class, especially Establishment Republicans. Do not be deterred by what you read or hear them say. Remember this is the globalists desperate move to remove President Trump from blocking their complete takeover of America.
Hear Hear, GB Bari…
It’s my understanding the VP Pence as President of the Senate that day holds the gavel, makes all determinations and they are unappealable.
IF, and that’s a very big IF, VP Mike Pence has the political cojones to do that. Despite his overt Christian faith, he has far deeper and longer ties to the political world than President Trump
Personally, I’m not counting on him. I hope I’m wrong.
No matter WHAT Trump does at this point, the media is going to paint him as a horrible person who is just trying to stir up trouble. Heck, they’ve been doing it for four years, so why stop now? But this isn’t about our guy winning; this is about ensuring that ALL legal votes count.
And all ILLEGAL fakevotes Do NOT count.
Who gives a rats-ass how the media and anything else “think” about Trump. Trump does the correct thing and the correct thing is what Trump has sworn to do for the people of the United States.
There is nothing requiring “woe is me” or hand-wringing. Todays Americans better learn to ‘cowboy-up like big boys do and not be sniveling like a bunch of castrated wimps.
No, this is PRECISELY about “our guy” winning. Remember just what has brought the country to this point. President Trump is the ONLY president in the last 57 years who has tried to defeat the Deep State/ Globalist Cabal. He’s the ONLY president in my lifetime who has kept or made legitimate attempts to keep every promise or pledge he made during his campaign and since then.
President Trump has done all this while surrounded by backstabbing two faced DC politicians and pretenders. With a very few notable exceptions, he’s had almost NO ONE willing to assist him who has a significant experience in and knowledge of the Swamp.
We and the entire nation NEED “our guy” to win THIS election. If the enemies breaches the presidency, and seizes control of the Executive Branch, it is almost ASSURED that we will not get a legitimate opportunity to vote out ANY of these evil bastards ever again.
“No matter WHAT Trump does at this point, the media is going to paint him as a horrible person …”
Did you forget the sarc tag. or have you not been paying attention? The media has been doing that for the past four years. SMH
I just tell the programmed humano-bots that “there are worse things than racism…like slavery”.
Like deep poverty. Like enslavement, like believing things to be true that are lies.
Let their screams be our music, their tears our sustenance. Because these traitorous scum really deserve way, way worse than mere disappointment, and just desserts would be lovely to behold—as well as being exceptionally good for the Republic.
This goes with that;
Conan: Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!
Good analysis. And well written. I believe January 6th is our nation’s Armageddon. We are either going to stand up against corruption we have proven and will continue to prove or we are not. And if we choose the latter course, evil will win and America will begin the slow and tragic process of dying.
This is a huge responsibility for Vice President Pence. But we do not always choose our heroes. History does. And in this case, a mild-mannered, God-fearing man who probably never imagined himself holding the fate of America — and indeed the whole world — in his hands actually does. He must be brave and do what is right. May God bless him with the courage he will need to save us all.
Pence folded like a cheap suit in IN when time to sign a duly passed, popular law to protect businesses whose faith informs their business decisions, from the legal predations of the rabid buttboinkers.
Salesforce, Angie’s List, etc, threatened the state with cancelation of conferences, relocation of headquarters, etc, if it was passed.
Pence caved. Once again, Believers were on the altar of business worship.
Excellent review.
But does it matter when the SCOUS declares “No Standing”.?
I assume you mean SCOTUS… but if you read what Sundance and Mr Noel wrote , it does not rely on the Supreme Court. Pence will be the President of the Joint Congress and his rule is not challengeable.
ie….SCOUTUS will itself have “No Standing” to challenge Mike Pence’s decision.
Pray
I disagree with the courts having no role.
If this were a case where no illegal or unconstitutional acts occurred, which violated rights of voters, you are correct.
But in this years elections illegal and unconstitutional actions did occur which nullify legal votes, thereby violating rights of voters. The courts do have a role to assess that suit. Ruling on the violation of rights of voters is NOT the same as participating in the election process as outlined in the article. the court’s ruling only ensures the process involved has not violated rights and is based on the laws passed by Congress (the Acts) and the Constitution.
The courts have no standing on this regardless of your disagreement.
Read what I wrote. I nbever said the courts have standing with repsect to particpating in the lection. The DO have standing with the legality and constitutionality of ALL the inputs to that process.
Otherwise there is NO limit to illegal acts that could be perpetrated to change the outcome of the election.
Ultimately, this is a POLITICAL, not LEGAL issue, just like was explained in the run up to the Ukraine Impeachment fiasco.
I HOPE everyone now understands, McConnell fully supported the shampeachment, just as he did muh Russia.
So, he WANTED, Desperately to instruct his caucus to join him in another “Sing along with Mitch”, saying on camera “NO one is above the law, not even POTUS” and “shades of Nixons Sat.nite massacre”.
And, they were ABOUT TO, (Mitch already HAD said exactly that) when PDJT released the transcript.
IF he hadn’t had and released the transcript, McConnell and the Decepticons WOULD have forced him to resign, by threatening to vote to convict.
Once he released the transcript, they lost their “Political cover”, their EXCUSE, to US, to do this.
And, Turtle that he is, McConnell withdrew into his shell, and played kabuki theater for the cameras, allowing a Senate trial to exhonerate PDJT.
TECHNICALLY, he could have played it as originally planned. Politically, pragmatically and realistically, there is NO WAY McConnell could have played it any other way.
Point is, this election is ALSO not about legalities.
Its a POLITICAL process.
BECAUSE PDJT has succeeded in getting his narative (stolen election) out to US, (just as he did with “Perfect phone call”) McConnell is stuck in the same trap of his own making, once again.
If he and his allies countenance the Steal, he and they are exposed, and stripped of that which empowers them; the illusion they represent US, and stand in opposition to the Dems.
The ONLY way McConnell can retain his power, is to affirm PDJT as POTUS.
Its like PDJT and Mitch are holding a gun to each others heads; “If I go, YOU go!”
Everyone SEES the gun Mitch is holding, so few seem to see the gun PDJT is holding.
“Its Politics, Jake. Its Politics!”
And for a “Non-Politician, PDJT is the most amazingly astute Politician we have seen in our lives, perhaps ever.
Anyway, thats my take, lets see if I am right,..
I’m going to go with in our lifetimes for sure, AND ever. I’ve never studied anyone in history that could maneuver like he does… and as he can lay claim to never before having been a “politician”, I realize he has certainly been a lifelong student of “politics” and from the inside much of that time.
Very stable genius indeed. Very!
Since VP Pence is the last word on all of this debacle, no appeals, no challenge…..
Then in that case, whatever President Trump has ‘up his sleeve’ must be carried out *before* VP Pence speaks and rules on 6 January, otherwise there is no going back….correct? Therefore the clock is running very low on time – of course, there is nothing to say that President Trump needs to let the cat out of the bag beforehand…he just needs to present the evidence to VP Pence. It’ll be in his hands then.
If I can paraphrase Andrew Jackson to the SCOTUS….
That’s a nice Constitution you have there….let’s see you enforce it. ~ Deep State 2020
This is why everyone needs to be in DC on the 6th. Otherwise they may try to remove them.
This may be one of the reasons President Trump signed the “bill”. If government isn’t funded, the rally on the 6th wouldn’t happen. Not that law enforcement will do anything positive for the rally; au contraire. Funding the government takes away the argument.
Conservatives will find excuses to find good reasons for bad deals.
IF PDJT figured he would lose this battle over election fraud, WHY bother to sign the bill.
Take it as a sign he fully believes he will still be in the Oval, after Jan 20th.
Otherwise why not pocket veto, let it expire, and let the next guy and the new Congress deal with it? Its only 30 days, after all.
Bigly. He knows everything we, and “they” don’t.
Attorney Sidney Powell has stated several times that Governors & SOS were potentially in on the fraud / treason. I’ve read allegations that Governors, and Turtle McConnell, also benefitted from Dominion. (Did Dominion secure the unpopular CCP McConnell re-election?)
The MSM / Left has blackballed Ms. Powell. Has she possibly foretold some of the coming blockbuster evidence?
She has also stated that 29 states were manipulated, and that we have proof that ballots came in from Mexico & China. (Was California even in play? Affirmative action lost soundly. And how did CCP Biden win Minnesota by 400,000 votes?)
There appears to be an internal war between two factions, … and outsiders L Lin & Patrick Byrne are coming off like kooks. Not Ms. Powell. The Left’s biggest criticisms of her are typos in a legal filing (!), and procedural losses before crooked Democrat Soros-funded AGs?
Ms. Powell has the bonafides and track record, including over 500 Appeals. But WH staff now blocking her contact w POTUS after the Friday night barn burner. Why?
Good cop, bad cop? Rudy hogging the limelight? Rudy & WH Counsel playing 4D chess? False-hope Pence Card? Tell you what… Pence backs the Swamp, and J will NEVER support him. Never.
OK, where’s the (new Beef?
I don’t think they are blocking her. I believe that there is some deception in play while ducks are lined up for special counsel to be set up and immediate charges to be levied. The Byrne thing was just too weird. I think he is helping the deception (not like it isn’t his first time).
Nothing is too weird for 2020.
I agree.. Byrne is a private citizen. He can say anything he wants with no repercussions. Byrne is all in with PDJT and can be counted on in a pinch. jmo
If I were in his shoes I’d step up to the plate if asked, or even if not asked..
jmo but I think there are some things being placed out there by the Presidents team / side for public consumption that are not 100% accurate. I do not believe the Powell can’t talk to Potus stuff for instance. I also think the Presidents hand is much stronger than it appears to many at this time.
Every rational human being, if they are honest with themselves, knows the election was fraudulent. That is not even in question.
“Last thought… I have absolutely no idea if this can work, I am just summarizing a set of theoretical arguments that appear to be surfacing. “
One could look at this as similar to the “Right to Try” with not [yet] fully approved drugs. What is there to lose by trying? Pence should at least try.
The Vice President knows that this is the most pro-life President in generation. He also knows that those who would replace him are the polar opposite. If he is a true Christian, he has no choice but to use whatever means he has to push the needle towards President Trump re-election. BTW CCP and Soros bribes are no good in heaven but one way tickets to hell.
One nation under God would not be putting in a President that was elected under criminal methods? Agree we can treat each other with respect up to a point. When they want to harm my family then all bets are off.
The only card Trump has left is a million supporters surrounding DC by the morning of the 6th.
This or nothing.
We need 20 million in DC on the 6th and they should stay until the Left caves.
My assessment is simpler. No-one who can act has the intestinal fortitude to act. From Republican State Legislatures and State Supreme Courts to SCOTUS and Congress, the “hierarchy of ruling elites” maintain their supremacy over we the people without breaking a sweat. They own the game.
Well if VP does this and Trump is re-elected, he has secured his Presidency in 2024 & 2028. First, by enabling a second Trump term, and thus the ability to put in place a legitimate voting system and clean out the Traitors. Second he will have the MAGA army behind him in 2024, because in our darkest hour and at a moment of truth he stood for the Republic vs the Uni-party. If that is not enough, as a Christian he also stood in the breach on God’s side vs the child killing Satanists.
This is exactly why I wrote a letter to VP Pence.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
To my utter amazement BLM looters and burners were never stopped by armed American business owners more than a tiny number of times.
If perfectly legal defence of business properties was squibbed by the owners, your hope for an improvement in the timid men is misplaced.
Because the riots were a political tool being used in the election cycle, not too many business owners had an interest in being persecuted by “taking the bait” when in all probability, Trump would win the election and clean up HARD afterward. Had it not been exactly that scenario on tap, many people would have rallied to beat back the riots as soon as it became clear that law enforcement was going to stand by and do nothing.
I posted a quote by Thomas Jefferson whose outlook on timid men mirror my own. I have no hope for an improvement in their nature. I only hope that there are enough ruffians to make up the difference.
I don’t expect Pence to nullify electors from questionable swing states, but I’ll be impressed by him if he does.
There has to be a backup plan if Pence doesn’t come through for us. I think President Trump will soon drop his truth bombs through declassification. Threat of more exposure may be enough to make Biden, and even bigger names who are running him, choose to concede.
If Biden is pressured to concede, this avenue of victory is the one that would cause the least violence of any of the paths proposed.
read the current prosecution against hunter and kerry by the ukraine government to get their taxpayer money back
I hope it’s the first olive out of the bottle, and many more will tumble out.
If Pence doesn’t come through – what avenues are open, since his is the last word on accepting electors, no?
See CM-TX post just below re Gohmert’s lawsuit. Appears the Electoral Count Act directs Pence to count the electoral votes the State Governor submits must be counted if contested. (See 3 U.S.C. § 15 (provides “if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.”)
That’s what the law says. I have seen several interpretations of it where it could go either way. I believe Gohmert is trying to get SCOTUS clarification. After reading Gohmert’s lawsuit, it does seem unconstitutional, at least on the surface. Good luck with getting SCOTUS to weigh in.
The striking thing for me is President Trump seems awfully confident, like he has more going on behind the scenes than the occasional “FRAUD!” tweet and MAGA rally.
Exactly. He isn’t confident unless he has a reason/reasons to be so.
I agree, read my earlier posts on WHY I think PDJT is confident.
He has a gun to McConnell and the Uniparties head.
Destroy the Uniparty and McConnell, and the biggest strength the Dem contingent has, for enacting their Conmunist agenda, collapses.
I THINK PDJT has McConnell in a trap of Mitchs own makin, and PDJT has known this, from early on.
At this point, Mitch knows it to, and is desperately trying to figure a way out.
Note to Mitch; there isn’t one. When you’ve painted yourself into a corner, you have no choice but to ruin your paint job, and start all over.
Either McConnell shepards thru the process of confirming PDJT as winner, or sacrifices his and the Uniparty, in order to get his nemesis (PDJT) out of office, where DJT, citisen would be free to destroy Mitch and the Uniparty, being under no constraints of office.
OR, Mitch pulls into his shell, confirming PDJT as POTUS, and “lives to fight another day”.
PDJT does what he does so well, putting his opponents in a “Heads I WIN, Tails you Lose” situation.
Once again, PDJT’s enemies saying ;
“HAH! Now we GOT him,…right where he wants us!,…Wha,…HEY! HOW the HELL does he DO that?!!”
Front row seat, to watch it happen. Be their or be square,…I hear its going to be WILD! LOL.
I’ll go ya one better, in saying that with President Donald J. Trump, that isn’t the only “Ace” up his sleeve…
We’ve learned this by now, right? lol
Cleta Mitchell explains the issues in Georgia, which I can only assume is pretty much the same across any state in the country.
FYI, she gets into constitutional issues, both in GA & the USA as well.
I will take Cleta on my team any day of the week.
After listening to the interview with Cleta Mitchell, noticed that Part 2 of the Gen. Flynn interview (dated Dec. 26) is also now online; assume this is the best place to post, as the Gen. speaks of the survival of the American Republic: (54 minutes in length)
Gohmert v Pence lawsuit
WHO are these people (Plaintiffs)? Sorry-I’m still learning.
These people are Congress members who, it looks like from their lawsuit, are working to ensure that VP Pence is not hindered in his duties of accepting/rejecting electors as it seems the lawsuit is saying that certain sections of the Electoral Count Act violates the rights of the then sitting VP to carry out his duties per instructed by the Constitution.
Who are these people? – People working to clear the way for the VP to do his job according to how it was intended, by the Constitution, to be carried out.
Thank you Bessie!
The Presidential Voting Act of 1845, as modified by Congress in 1872 and 1912 to align elections for Congress with the date set for presidential elections, can also be invoked as part of the processes discussed by SD involving the Guarantee Clause and Electoral Vote Count Act of 1887. In other words when assessing the two sets of Electoral Delegates, those supported by illegal votes counted after 3 November 2020 should be ignored by law.
Further the one issue the courts can rule upon with respect to the elections is if the rights of voters were violated or adversely impacted as in being nullified by illegal and unconstitutional actions. In the case of this election, the courts have taken the cowardly road of not assessing if voters rights were violated.
Ruling on compliance with the laws, with constitution and sustaining rights of voters is NOT the same as participating in the electoral process. Those ruling would only ensure process follows the ACTS (laws) passed by congress, the constitution and preserves the rights of the voters.
This was a very good explanation by SD; one of the things I love about this site.
Ditto! Very helpful.
Considering that the thief can never have clear title to the goods, I would say that we are entitled to the office by legal possession of the people who voted in the uncontested states.
my own personal “guarantee clause” takes 30 round magazines
So tired of woulda, shoulda, coulda!
Perhaps Radcliffe is holding his report for a good reason. How about giving the black hats a chance to confess their crimes and implicate others? The game right now is to produce as much incontrovertible evidence as possible, and confessions from the bad actors themselves would be very powerful.
We have heard this before…for the last 4 years. ZERO results.
I am ok with not releasing his report until about 12/31 or even as late as 1/3; thereby not giving Lawfare much time to dispute it.
There is no reason to wonder why Ratcliffe has not produced a report. The report is a bureaucratic product. And therein lies the problem.
The bureaucracy is not going to provide ammo to Trump.
Thank you Sundance for this article, it’s The Conservative Tree House of old, informative.
Yes, things are settling down again. (I am having problems with this site again..)
I am tired of all the hysterical people running around pulling their hair out. The minute they don’t like something, they start. It matters not that they have a real clue or explanation or will ever have full knowledge of something. They just start screaming and disparaging POTUS.
Agreed MC. Most of the hair pullers are carpetbaggers, seems like.
Good work as always, SD. That said, it isn’t happening. If we continue to believe in the rule of law, which doesn’t exist in a corrupt system, then I guess we can all hope.
The Constitution will prevail… FYI got to thinking about Mitch McConnell and his steadfast opposition to POTUS removing Section 230 “immunity” from NDAA, condoned insertion to limit Presidential Powers regarding Insurrection Act, deaf ear to POTUS directive to eliminate wasteful pork and increase Citizen relief from $600-$2000. Then I started thinking about he and his wife – political career w/Bush41 admin in US Transportation (Maritime agencies), he father a shipping magnet with ties to Chinese elite, her brother’s wife’s sister married to a CCP official – the CCP is never far from this family in spite of moving to Taiwan during Chiang kai Shek days and remaining with the KMT party (chinese nationalists in Taiwan). then I thought about Mitch – a lack luster politician from KY supported by Chow’s father James Chow from 1980 and into Mitch’s senate career start in 1985. Why would a Taiwanese shipping magnet support a no body from KY? Then in 1992 the two were set up on a blind date in spite of Chow dating C Boyden Gray at the time – both being long time Bushites 41 and 43. Within the year they married, Chow’s father gave Mitch $59Million. Then in 2002 Mitch cosponsored w/Chris Dodd the Help America Vote Act the put electronic vote machines/updates in every county in America. fast forward to today…Not a peep from Mitch supporting Trump’s election fraud challenges in fact behind the scenes he’s dampening any support for the President and has instructed the GOP caucus to not join in the Jan 6th oppositions to State’s Electors. Perhaps a leap, but do you suppose the worst liked senator consistently wins by large margins? Is he one of those with inside help from CCP each election? Something doesn’t smell right with old Mitch and Elaine…these dots all keep falling into place.
Tulips,
I doubt you are just finally connected these dots, and are really only recounting them,…
But yes, Mitch IS corrupted by CCP, and worked hand in glove with Obama, to facillitate the 8 year Obamination of America, and whitewash all the scandals.
Look at it from CCP view; WHY spend Billions to corrupt ONE party, only to have your agenda thwarted by a real OPPOSITION party.
Much better to BUY BOTH, so the second party can APPEAR, and sound like they are in opposition, even as they facillitate your agenda.
Mitch is the most powerful, and most feared man in DC, NOT the President.
With ONE Phonecall, he can destroy a career, and while I have no proof, I suspect end a life.
HE is the original architect of the “Insurance policy”.
Magicians always have an assitant, typically an attractive, scantilly clad young women, to distract the audience so they won’t see what he is doing.
She ain’t young, she ain’t attractive, and (thank GOD!) she isn’t scantily clad, but THAT is Nanzi Pelosis role; to distract with her antics, so we don’t notice what Mitch the magician is doing.
MITCH has been the CENTER, the SOURCE of the resistance, from the outset.
Its ALWAYS been Mitch vs PDJT, in an existential death match, and PDJT is more than smart enough to KNOW that.
PDJT has prevailed twice against his adversary,…
Third time pays all?
Lets see what happens, its gonna be wild!
Wild, for sure… and awesome!
Remember this one thing….
If God is with us, then who may stand against us?
This is a question, and a statement. About the power of God and about having faith in God.
Who of you, by worrying, can add a single hour to his life? So if you cannot do such a small thing, why worry about the rest?
Luke 12:25-26
This is not to say that we do nothing, nay, rather we would do our utmost that whatsoever mayest be in our power to do, and doing all for the glory of God so that we may do our works in righteousness, energized by our faith and leave the conclusion in the hands of God as we pray without ceasing, and yes, even praying for our enemies.
Why pray for those that hate us and want to destroy us?
We are but imperfect men and easily fall into the snare of dark thoughts that become action, acting in hatred is working for the devil who seeks every opportunity to overpower you and corrupt you. Hence, we leave vengeance to the Lord God, He whom is incorruptible. Our prayers rise to heaven and they are burned in brazier before God, who hears our pleas for deliverance. Let our minds and our hearts be pleasing to the Lord.
So in any case ,I guess we’re screwed. they just robbed us all and generations yet not born with this covid scam.
Chances are very good I would say that Biden is 100% correct (for the most part) about our darkest days are ahead. before the next president leaves office (i’m sure it won’t be biden) we’re going to be in worse shape than we are right now. we will look at 2020 as a good year compared to what the democrats are going to bring.
Sylvia – AdRem, we REALLY need a down vote feature on the new site!
maggie: or a ‘nuke’ button
One thing that I keep seeing is lefties screaming that Trump is trying to ‘disenfranchise’ voters.
I’ve made the comment a few times, no the people who disenfranchised voters were the ones committing voter fraud. If they hadn’t cheated, there wouldn’t be any problem.
Yes, they love that term ‘disenfranchise’. Each time they use it, they hope to invoke visions of poor black people in the South during Jim Crow times being turned away from polls by rednecks with guns. Never mind that crap hasn’t happened in 50 years.
Typical leftist projection, and defining words to me what they want them to say.
The SCOTUS decision Reynolds v Sims, first affirmed voting as a fundamental Constitutionall protected right, just like those enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
It defined the right, as “One man one vote”, and went on to say there are two ways government actions could infringe on the free excercise of that right;
Disenfranchise, which means preventing a voter or class of voters from voting.
Examples include Jim Crow, yes which is UN-Constitutional, but also preventing those under a certain age, those adjudged mentally incompetent, and convicted felons from voting, which IS Constitutional, as such “disenfrachisement” (preventing from voting) meets the two part test of “Compelling State Interest, AND being the least intrusive method of addressing such interest.
In other words, Disenfranchisement, in and of itself, is NOT Constitutional OR UnConstitutional; it depends.
The SECOND way, as explained in Reynolds v Sims, that government action might infringe on the free excercise of this right to vote, defined as “One man, one vote” is thru DISSOLUTION.
Reynolds v Sims was about apportionment, examining whether dividing up one geographical area into two, and putting each half into a much larger district, had the effect of “watering down” those votes, so that effectively those voters no longer had ONE man, ONE vote.
IF Scotus had any interest in examining the election fraud evidence, there IS compelling evidence of Dissolution, by the extralegal measures enacted under the excuse of Covid.
And, since these jurisdictions went on to hold in person on election day elections, and even publically TOLD voters it was “perfectly safe” obviously the mail out ballots was NOT the “least intrusive means” of addressing the compelling State interest, alleged to be avoiding having in person voting on election day become a “Super-spreader” event.
Anyway, the courts are irrelevant, were NEVER going to be the deciders, they only helped by playing the key role, along with the State legislature hearings, of getting the truth out.
The show down, the “High noon” confrontation, is Jan 6.
PDJT is betting McConnell will fold. And so am I.
The Democrats had the guns and the poor blacks were voting Republican.
It seems interesting to note that no one in the media is mentioning that Mr Trump is also the Chief Executive over ALL the intelligence agencies. He either has the evidence of cheating, or he doesn’t. Mr Pence, as VP has the same access (if so ordered by the Pres.) and undoubtedly knows what the President knows, or wants him to know. IF there is fraud and interference by a foreign nation, or nations, both men have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. They are both duty bound to take whatever action necessary to protect the Republic, whatever the consequences. We will see what happens, but whatever the outcome, there will likely be fireworks from the other side. If Mr Trump and Mr Pence take direct action that appears to secure their own re-election, they will certainly need a lot of prayers.
Considering our corrupt IC. One has to wonder if President Trump and/or DNI Ratcliffe are getting accuratel or fake intelligence information. I wish Ratcliffe would hurry along with his report.
I think Mike Pence takes his oath of office very seriously..
The Uniparty isn’t playing this smart. At this point, they should just let PTrump be re-elected based on a “compromised” election process. Tell their brown shirts (BLM and Antifa) to stand down. Then they steal their GA senatorial races and then they have control of Congress. PTrump will have minimal impact on their schemes. Then it’s business as usual for them starting in 2024. The way they are going about this will only hurt them in the long run.
Their arrogance goes beyond our understanding.
Soros is maybe 90? He wants to see his dream of destroying the US realized. And he has been promising the Davos crowd he’d get rid of President Trump for a couple years now.
They’re Satanic in that they are cunning rather than wise, they overreach constantly, and they have minimal capacity for subtlety. Hence to us they seem purposefully dense at times, because we tend to plan way out ahead and game several options. Uniparty strategy is more like a bulldozer.
VvV,
More or less what you describe is the only play McConnell has available to him.
He has no choice, but to fold, and “live to fight another day”.
And yes, thru their media outlets that few are paying attention to, they will push the narrative that PDJT is NOT “Legitimate”, the “not our President” narrative, that he won thru skullduggery with Republican complicity,…
And then, whether McConnell retains the Majority or not, doesn’t REALLY change things much, as the Uniparty will continue to oppose PDJT, with all of its inflated, bloated Congressional powers.
And yes, we MAY be looking at ANOTHER attempt at Impeachment, that will encounter the same problem as the last two, the same impediment;
US.
CONgress can impeach an unpopular President for absolutely nothing,…a perfect phone call for example.
Because the People accept/allow it.
Conversely, a POPULAR President can NOT be Impeached, even for the most aggregious actions, IF THE PEOPLE DON’T AGREE.
It really doesn’t matter which face of the two-faced Uniparty is in the ostensive “Majority” in the Senate.
In a Senate Impeachment trial, WE, the PEOPLE are the jury.
Convince US, and the Senate can vote to convict us.
Don’t convince US, and they can NOT.
THIS is why it is said, by those who understand thd process, that an Impeachment Trial is NOT a Criminal proceding, its a POLITICAL one.
Same fundamental truth applies to the Joint Session on Jan 6th.
Its a POLITICAL process.
IF they had succeeded in pursuading US that Biden is “President-elect”, they could certify him as POTUS.
WE will be there, en mass just to make sure they understand, that we understand, that they failed, yet again in getting us to believe their false narrative.
And, overall PDJT and WE will be incrementally stronger, and THEY incrementally weaker, in the aftermath.
I was thinking the same thing, then I remembered CCP are pulling the strings, and they can’t last 4 more years of Trump. This is all about China… China… China…
That too. But they can last 4 years IF they Play nice and give back the money they stole from us. (With help from our Government)
Once again, and time after time, the Greek-Roman question of “who shall guard the guardians” comes into play.
If the elected guardians had behaved responsibly, or SCOTUS had acted responsibly, none of this would be in play. But they didn’t.
Read the Constitution.
Our elected leaders, and appointed Judges were NEVER intended to be the ultimate guardians of our Liberties.
WE were,…and your absolutely right that (WE) the guardians haven’t acted responsibly, and that if we had, none of this would be happening.
Fortunately, we HAVE awoke, and are beginning to act responsibly.
And, theres still time.
Dutchman on FIRE tonight!
Seriously, I absolutely appreciate your insightful posts and honesty about your background and how you view things.
Choosing a State’s presidential electors is the plenary power of the State’s Legislature. They need not hold an election at all. They could simply choose the electors themselves. They can also reclaim that power if they find an election in their State was so infected by rampant irregularities, fraud and spoliation of evidence that the alleged result is unreliable. None of this is inconsistent with the Guarantee Clause so long as the Legislatures are elected.
Three or more courageous State Legislatures need to step up before January 6. The ball is first and foremost in THEIR court.
Agree. however it seems the train has left the station and now the State Legislatures seem more than willing to let Congress figure it out through objecting to electoral votes on January 6. Considering state leislatures have plenary power, none seem to be willing to step up and save the Republic.
No, the train hasn’t left the station. That’s why there are competing slates of electors. They left the door open to decertify Biden’s electors before January 6, and if one state flips, others will follow. I could see Wisconsin going first after their Supreme Court’s ruling, then Georgia and Arizona. That ties Trump and Biden at 269-269, and the House breaks the tie by delegation, one vote, one state with Trump winning with 27 states. No single scapegoat disenfranchising voters, but the state legislatures exercising their Twelfth Amendment authority which was stolen from them by corrupt election officials and governors.
If at some point prior to jan 6th, it can be proven that the vote-counting stoppage on election night was coordinated and ordered by someone like Lawfare and/or the President of the National association of Secretaries of State, AND if the Trump legal and PR team can properly convey that this (combined with the Georgia Fulton County stadium shenanigans) comprises conspiracy to commit election fraud
THEN, the public will be prepared to accept a Pence led stratagem to nullify the election ‘results’ from the swing states in question.
Absent such irrefutable evidence, all the stats based analysis and/or anecdotal evidence will not suffice to sway the idiots on the left. So unless we want this to devolve into actual physical violence, we need to find this evidence. I am 100 percent certain that it exists. There is no doubt they cheated in a coordinated fashion.
Thanks Sundance! I’m learning so much here and I love how you break it down for us just learning!!
Now, this all sounds dandy but….WHAT exactly will be in Ratcliffe’s report? Will Pence have the kahoonies to do what is allowed through our Constitution? OR…..will all this be for naught again?? Sorry…this has been such a roller-coaster ride. Just when we say “Ah HA!!! This is IT!” Someone screws PT over. The Commies seem to always be a step ahead. It’s unreal that we’ve had to dig and dig to resort to coming in the “back door” when the Law and our Constitution has always been on PT’s side!
The commies seem to be a step ahead? That’s the media spin.. President Trump has seemed prescient in the face of Brennan, Comey, 0dumbo, Mitch’s schemes. Plus, PDJT has access to a trove of information about which we can only speculate on content, quality and amount.
Since the DOJ has decided it won’t look at the evidence of election fraud, I suggest that on Jan. 6, our Patriots would be totally justified in forcibly removing those who would interfere with declaring President Trump as the President to be inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2021.
“I wonder why DNI John Ratcliffe is taking so long to produce his report?”
I believe that everything rests on the answer to this question…IF Ratcliffe is simply doing the traditional DC shuffle, whereby nothing of substance is EVER actually done about the overwhelming evidence of fraud and corruption, but the can is simply kicked down the road, then that “non-answer” is an answer in and of itself, although not the one we want to hear. (Although I suspect it the one most of us are anticipating.)
IF however, Ratcliffe DOES produce a substantive report, PRIOR to January 6th, then that would be a completely different answer – one that many of us have hoped and prayed would come for many years!
I suspect McConnell or the Deepstate is blackmailing John Ratcliffe.
Seems they’ve got “something’ on everyone!!
Yeah, they were adamantly opposed to him but then Ric Grenell got in and start kicking butt and naming names and suddenly Mitch decided that Ratcliffe would be fine after all…I too suspect that they “got” something on him and that’s why his nomination was allowed to proceed. He sure has been a disappointment since he got into the job full time!
What makes you think DNI Ratcliffe hasn’t already delivered a report? Reports can be verbal. He may have already briefed those who need to know. There’s nothing I saw that said the general public gets to know it. Knowledge can be used as leverage.
No idea exactly what is happening, but I would not assume the DNI has not produced enough info to those who need to know.
You don’t need the Foreign interference to be the only thing. Just fraud does the trick too. But the safest way for Pence is count till the first one and state “due to two elector slates” , and although he could chose the REP electors, he will chose neither, showing impartiality and an appropriate “sanction” for the bummbled system in those states.. He is the Parliamentarian too. Anyone who tries to stop him is ruled out of order. He continues with the same approach till the end. Trump has 232 and Biden 222 — and he can rule for Trump. Some legal minds says this is ok (even a recent Liberal Professor makes that claim in a Law article using only one state, Pa thrown out, as the problem –but with a Biden win even without Pa. Safer maybe to call no one a winner — as no one has 270. Then it goes to House and Trump should win 30 to 20. A fair political outcome, no courts, and the House chooses – a clearly constitutional outcome. This gets the reasonable DEM vote a fairer outcome, as not such a blatant power play (which the DEMs, of course, would have no problem with if they controlled the VP).
None of these states sent two slates of electors. The electors sent themselves. There wouldn’t be 2 sets of envelopes handed up for the fraud states on the 6th.
Recommended to be read along with this article by Sundance is John Yoo’s piece in the American Mind which came out before the election. . . .https://americanmind.org/salvo/what-happens-if-no-one-wins/. . .
It’s in the hands of VP Pence. Click my name, the first article explains it going all the way back to Jefferson. It’s baked in the Constitution & the Act of 1887 does not change that. Louie Gohmert is suing because he thinks it does. I have $10k that says he’s wrong. He may be opening up a Pandora’s box if the suit ends at SCOTUS.
If I am mike pence: I give a speech on the floor saying I cannot and will not certify a questionable and unaudited election with conflicting electors in 5 states. How can he? Literally how can he? Demand either a full audit or a new election. Then offer to resign immediately once new results are verified and certified. I see no other way.
Just emailed the president and vp;
DARE TO BE A DANIEL.
Be an Esther.
Perhaps Radcliff and Pence are working together?
If the report gets released on the morning of the 6th, there will be NO time for the thieves, ie: deep state, to react by finding some federal magistrate in Naval Base Guam to issue a ruling.
Pence could them simply accept the electors submitted by the legislatures.