Many people are now becoming aware of a shift in the political effort to shut down speech. The Conservative Treehouse has been notified our “content” is not permissible, and after ten years we are kicked-out of WordPress/Automatic hosting services. Some people asked if we would inquire about the specific ‘terms of service‘ that we violated, so I did.
Here is the direct response from WordPress/Automattic (rec’d 6:48pm ET this evening):
No specific violation is noted. Below is the “Prohibited Content under section 5”
(source)
I have no idea how “violation against prohibition on calls to violence” pertains to our content. You can read CTH for yourself and see if you can identify anywhere where we have promoted a “call to violence”, it doesn’t exist.
For the sake of fairness, that’s their entire reasoning as provided. That’s their reasoning; you can make up your own mind if it makes sense.
We are working on relocation now. However, many people are rightly alarmed by this move by WordPress/Automattic because over the course of ten years there has never been any previous contact about any violation of any terms. Nor is any specific violation noted in the reply.
Tomorrow we will find a new host.
Be of good cheer and live your best life.
Sundance
So all it really takes is one over-the-top comment from one guy/lady, who is either a troll or one of us who is fired up or had a bad day and poof…there goes a decade of work?
Seems fair to the owner…
sarc sarc sarc
That list of “Prohibited Content” is really pretty scary, huh? This move — getting off the WP platform — is really gonna be a blessing in disguise I think.
I would venture to say that the “community guardian” is not truly guarding the community – that is, the community of free speech – in being a part of this –
maybe I am just not familiar with the nomenclature, maybe there are all kinds of “community guardians” but I was not familiar with it –
“Sal P.” – no last name – okay – is he afraid of being doxxed as the radical scary people do to shut down speech?
Who is above “Sal P.” in the chain of command?
Well, I guess that is all moot – TCH will go elsewhere – I admire Sundance –
praying, too –
Get ready for payment processing ban as well. This is the way tech is going. Gab has been completely shut down in payment processing and has to use checks and bitcoin basically. Whether you agree with them or not, the point is the jack boot of tyranny is calling and it’s not good.
I believe banking and related credit card processing
has hit manufacturing companies as well. Manufacturers
of guns for instance.
Yes. And bans by ISP will be the final straw. When they start banning at the IP level we will be in full scale tyranny. I think an argument can be made that ISP’s as well as these other providers “use” the information highway for their businesses which should be under the jursidiction of interstate commerce. It would be tantamount to a business having their storefront on a public street and banning people from parking or using the street to come into their business. I don’t know that that has ever been tested legally.
Not to worry Sundance , we will all be there as soon as we know where to go.
Your Stellar rep and insight can not be blocked by the likes of Word Press ..
GO TRUMP & CTH STAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF LIFE IN ANY FAIR FIGHT AND YOU WILL TRUMIPH!
See you on the new platform! I can’t function without my CTH??????
Hear, Hear!
CTH is a staple of conservative life.
Graduate of UC Berkeley, 1983.
Go Bears!
Ditto
Just looking at the whole list of “prohibited content”, we should actually be GLAD to get off this platform! Some parts of it make sense, but a lot of it just looks like a way to hammer anyone they don’t like for the tiniest, most ridiculous “violation”. I say good riddance! But if I was to guess what finally caused them to come after the Treehouse… it would be this LIE:
“Proliferating or creating verifiably false claims or content that could undermine participation or trust in an electoral or democratic process.”
So true, it is a mess.
WSB:
I’ve made it a hobby to study such rules, regulations, and/or congressional proposals offered by authoritarian-minded leftists. They always list a series of obviously horrific behavior that literally no one will disagree with, and, then, somehow, by sleight-of-hand, the series of horrors ends with innocuous, and constitutionally questionable prohibitions that are strictly in the eye of the beholder.
A country like the US, whose constitution so explicitely abhorred such documents as today’s ever-so insulting Terms of Service declarations, now confronts the greatest evil in its history, not a powerful foreign authoritarian force, but rather a domestic one that has now infected our entire government system with a network of ruthlessly driven psychopaths.
Indeed. My motto is never to yell “Fire” in a theater…or threaten to kill anyone.
unkess5 there’s a fire.
or there is authentic reasons to issue such a threat.
internet or not.
ultimately those two examples are at the very essence of freedom…and speech
Boy oh Boy, if that line isn’t projectionism at it’s finest.
Be interesting to know when that one was added to the TOS; and were users notified of the changes.
IT’s MIND Boggling what THEY, THE “GUARDIANS OF FREE SPEECH” consider…
Taking bets that CTH is THE MOST PROLIFIC WORDPRESS WEBSITE in ANY MARKET…BETS anyone? Will send a NICE bottle of Melbec to you…my treat!!!!!
Sorry about their idiocy. It is the times of unreason by certain parties. Keep us up to date if there is anythign we need to do.
It is time for good people to…start companies!
I understand the VSGPDT is doing just that
He needs not only the news channel, but a social media branch, a video publisher and s blog host. Maybe a podcast.
Streaming radio.
AND an own payment processor…
Yes, so many avenues.
I did see Trish Regan on both OANN and NewsMax today.
The pilgrimage has started.
add a bank for the payment processing
I would force them to site specific instances of their so called terms of service and specific instances of calls to violence. If they cannot do that you clearly have a legal case for restitution.
You are missing the point, which, by now, anyone coming here regularly should not: It is not about reason, or “legal cases”; it is about the use of naked force, illegitimately, contrary to the very founding ideals of America.
The part of us who wants to continue to trust in legal reasoning, would have us calling for the top law enforcer, Bill Barr, to step up and shut all of this illegality down. You who are reading this and do just that know this to be true. Yet you know “Barr” — the very idea of a trustworthy, responsible law enforcement — is, as has been repeatedly, continually demonstrated throughout the last 10 years (n.b. – remember how Obamacare was passed, by one fraud after another, in 2009-10) a strangely absent state of affairs (“Precisely, Watson! The problem is that of the dog that did NOT bark…”)
The TRUTH is, it is open WAR (and has been, on the part of — ta dah! — Obama/Soetoro and his Insane Left Democrats, for all of those 10 years). And everything suggesting otherwise, ESPECIALLY on their part, is mere false propaganda. We know…we all know.
I see dumb people… and evil; many of them don’t even know they’re evil…. They wrap themselves up in “cotton candy”, as if they are so many innocent bunnies caught out in the open on a nice spring day, instead of the bullying dragons they actually are trying to emulate…to kill you, in their followers’ minds, just as they have worked so assiduously to kill Trump in those weak minds…and succeeded.
This deplatforming is a lie (a Big Lie, endlessly repeated on every front in the War) and an obscenity, to anyone with a high regard for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. It is naked force.
Harry- couldn’t agree more. There is no more Law and order. We are in the new Wild West.
Harry-Isn’t it interesting CTH is deplatformed after going to Washington to fight for PDJT and his supporters? We know too much.
WHAT EVER IT TAKES.
When stupid people ruin their own future. We all march on!
Someone ran around the north end of the Great Wall.
RIP WP.
So true and eventually, they will learn…….
Sal P, Community Guardian, Mall Cop of the Internet.
Hall monitor.
I have my hobby blog on WordPress, and want to change. Any conservative alternatives recommended?
Worpress.com has been deleting right wing blogs for years. A few months ago they deleted Western Rifle Shooter Association.
No one who values free speech should have ANY notions that WordPress is going to play fair, nor that they are actually going to follow their own rules. They will not. They have proven that they will not many times over the years.
Get off their platform, and stay away from all the OTHER web as a service platforms like AWS, Google (blogger) and Medium. All three have banned speech they don’t like.
The dissident right needs to wrap their mind around the fact that for us, we are back to the internet as it existed in 2000/2001. None of the services that make it easy to exist on the web are available to us, if we try we get kicked off. For those who remember the blogosphere from that era, that is exactly where we are back to. If you want to put your word out there you are going to have to learn some about how to set up a web page from scratch. Learn how to push web pages to a web host, and how operate the web management controls of your web hosting company.
The days of easy one button solutions are over.
NOTE: WordPress the CMS system as you can download for free from WordPress.ORG is NOT the same. If you like the WordPress.com look and processes, you can replicate it with your OWN WordPress install on web space YOU own. WordPress as promulgated by WordPress.org is licensed by the GPL license, and is open source.
Yeah, probably with backdoors, trackers, and other malicious junk built right in.
If it’s open source have your own coder use it as a reference to make a clean site without their built in garbage.
These actions of WordPress will be their downfall. Lets all work together to make the ‘downfall’ hard and forever!!!
It’s amazing how with most of them, the more they catch on, the more restrictive they become.
Calls to violence? You mean like Loretta Lynch? Or, what’shisface who said “Trump and his kind shall never be allowed to rise again”? Or, maybe obama’s reference to the DNC-approved choice of implement in a nasty foray? Or, would that be mayors announcing stand-down orders to law enforcement which are de facto calls to arms for their goons?
WP is doing what every dictator does: exercise power. If they cared, they’d contact you early on and provide specifics and guidance to maintain adherence to Terms. After all, they ought to desire a stable and apparently growing presence which enhances their bottom line. If they don’t, then ownership/leadership has made a determination that their mission is being adversely affected by the success and presence of CTH. That is, profits may accrue, but their ultimate mission is what every journo student now claims: to change the world. So, they are subsidized activists, and CTH’s messaging is thwarting them.
That last point is not minor. CTH, in my view, has been right up there with Trump himself in steering this nation through, certainly, the last four years. Had CTH not been here, I do not think Trump–great, strong, gifted as he is–would have nearly the informed following that he has. Nor do I think General Flynn would be as far along in his quest for freedom from the clutches of evildoers. Sundance has made journalistic contributions that are quite simply phenomenal. Cumulatively, I believe his output has outdone anyone else out there.
The Mueller report, IG reports, FISA leaks, the list is endless…Sundance’s CTH has penetrated those facades and feints so successfully and placed scads of disparate specs and globs of information into a mosaic which presents a clear view of specific wrongdoing by appointed guardians of constitutional law and order.
Sundance is a core opponent of these activists, and his CTH is too effective in stymieing their communistic pursuits. He is getting this treatment just like Trump earned censoring from Twitter.
While it is not a good development from an operations continuity standpoint, certainly in the short term, it is proof that the effectiveness of the CTH has been world class. Perhaps in the longer term, it will be for the better. After all, the ancestors were induced to leave the Old World, became pioneers in America, and now here we are in a much better place.
Evergreen:
How well you put your finger on the historical importance of CTH.
Such a familiar a place as this, where likeminded citizens can drop in daily for a friendly visit, can be overlooked and taken for granted.
But as you reminded us in such eloquent terms, without CTH, the phenomenal success of the Trump administration, which culminated in an extraordinary election performance with over 71M votes, the most ever LEGALLY OBTAINED in our history, might have followed, without question, a different course given a full-on, historically unprecedented media assault on this president that served in a time of peace and prosperity that he forcefully brought about on his own.
In the end, Donald The Great reminded us, as seen by his uncommon grit in Campaign 2020, that he was, indeed, always the master of his own political destiny, yet CTH was, and I hope will continue to be, our President’s undeclared spiritual home of homes.
Evergreen- you absolutely NAILED it!
Sundance is the best actual journalist on the scene and has been for many years. His research, analysis and writing are extraordinary not to mention inspiring to his readers.
I have been worried for a long time that he has a target on his back and that they were going to try and take him out.
Like others said, this is a blessing in disguise. The timing sucks but it doesn’t matter. There are so many of US that Sundance has unlimited resources to do whatever it takes to keep going. All he has to do is ask and I guarantee that in less than a few hours he will have all the money he needs.
** Important- collect money NOW in case they try to demonetize the site. And I do mean DEMON-itize.
^^^ Excellent post, evergreen. ^^^
BRAVO!
Your comment and it’s content and message is exceptional. You hit the nail on the head, Evergreen, and you did it succinctly and with great command of the English language.
After giving this situation some consideration, I came to the conclusion that the reason for the deplatforming of CTH is not to silence sundance. Since that could be easily replaced. It’s mainly because they want to shut the commenting down and that would be harder to revive even when you change platforms.
With Sundance’s research and guidance, then throwing everything he has to US, this site has become probably the greatest crowd-sourcing venue on earth. Now THAT is dangerous to certain entities.
Thinkpol rectifies unperson Trumpcrimethinkers unbellyfeel Demsoc speakwrite malquoted election doubleplus unfree.
Yes…or perhaps more simply, “REET!-REET!-REET!” (from “Psycho”…)
or REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE from the autists.
See…..this is what happens when someone’s wedgy is out of place and that person has lost that ‘omg but that feels so good’ feeling so they get pizzy and tell on people. Happens all the time.
The WordPress blogging software is not very good. It’s bloated and frustrating to deal with and there’s a metric ton of security issues you need to be careful about. While you are changing hosts take a good long look at the alternative blogging platforms.
Sounds like a WordPress / Automattic bureaucrat got his pantyhose in a twist after discovering CTH. I guess you showed up on their radar, it was bound to happen. I come here specifically for the breath of fresh air CTH delivers. Excellent content, far exceeding most any other site. If anything that is what they fear the most.
Does this fine organization (sarc) possess our comments log-in information?
This action is actually damning as all-get-out for wordpress, as in doing so, they are aligning themselves with the steal. That’s suicidal given that the media being complicit is a huge aspect of the whole criminal conspiracy.
It’s especially stupid on their part doing so with an organization that prides itself in researching, probing, and exposing things that are not in alignment with the US Constitution.
American Thinker article on this subject.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/the_conservative_treehouse_is_being_deplatformed.html
sundance,
Join a class action lawsuit with similar issues — Godspeed!
This is a tremendous blessing in disguise.
Wait and see!
Have good life, everyone!
Would love to find out if Matthew Mullenweg has ties to BLM, Antifa, or any other groups that promote hate, violence and division, especially since he lives in SF. I still think he recvd an ultimatum from someone like piglosi.
Yes, once all the CTH data is shepherded off to some new location, maybe Sundance should ‘bleach-bit’ the old drive space!
And wipe it… like with a cloth.
While wearing a “prison orange” outfit.
I am truly alarmed by the suppression of truth by Big Tech. CTH is where I go to find in-depth analysis of the swamp’s inner workings, and intelligent discussions from thoughtful people around the country and beyond. Wherever you end up, Sundance, we will follow.
We are with you Sundance.
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WP does not understand the literary convention to which we refer as a euphemism. Those who think solely in literal terms are doomed to an existence of universal incomprehension – and indigestion.
I’ll be here with you all for as long as you are here, and there with you once lift-off is achieved.
Never heard of your site before. Happy to be here now. Isn’t the Streisand Effect great?
This action by Word Press does not portend the demise of CTH, rather it portends the demise of Word Press.
Wow, a “Community Guardian.” Next there will be a new show on Prime or Netflix featuring the “Community Guardian.” What a joke on the community!
I’m thinking it’s topic 5.4: “Hate speech OR incitements…”
Anything can qualify as hate-speech these days, as the receiver of the ill words gets to make the call, in liberal circles.
Should their be a new President-Elect or Vice-President-elect, such criticism becomes ‘unpatriotic’ as well.
Then again, maybe Treepers weren’t generating enough Google AdSense revenue for WordPress, because they prefer using browsers (Firefox, etc.) that won’t allow it.
As I do. With both Privacy Badger and Adblock add-ins. And NoScript, just in case.
Oh, it all makes sense in the Orwellian world where any conservative word, thought, or action is “violence” against the totalitarian Democommunist state.
Back when the old antifa guy in Buffalo(?) made himself into a crisis actor, and the Treehouse started to be noted via OANN, Microsoft slapped you with a Newsguard report for false news. Some old names came out of the woodwork (Julison) and I was pretty sure that the Trayvon Martin chickens were coming home to roost via a concentrated effort by the media types you pissed off back then. This is revenge for all the sunlight. Guaranteed.
I’d reallylike Sal to explain why WordPress/automattic have allowed numerous antifa sites to go unchecked on their platform as they spread misinformation and celebrated their violence.
Thinking there must be “good, bad speech” and “bad, bad speech” and we, unfortunately, do not have the rule book. We hold to the idea that here in America, with a few, very limited exceptions, we can say what we please!
Sundance and Beloved Crew ,
Moving Forward and I’m Following Right With You ?
I See the Sun at Your Back , the Best is Yet to Come !
Thank You All (Treepers Too !) for my
Excellent Continuing Education Here !
GodSpeed ?
I love the contradiction.
The social media and social communication platforms like FB, Twitter, Google, WP etc. are private businesses, and so like to remind everyone that free speech laws do not apply and users are there at their sufferance.
However, their business model depends for its success on adoption and use by a large percentage of the population. In effect, they function as public services.
That is, they are happy to have a broad public presence when it comes to revenues, but at the same time they deny that public its constitutional rights such as free speech.
This is arbitrary and a failure of honesty and equity.
Has to be a way to hurt their bottom line. Many of us have quit Twitter and Facebook for sites that believe in free speech only for Dems.
When a newspaper prints on paper, it is their paper. CTH prints on digital paper that is owned by another entity. You agree to their terms of service before you print anything. It is their backyard and they can tell you to leave anytime they wish. It is that simple.
I hope this 2nd time around CTH finds their own paper to write on their own terms.
Thanks
Any mention of Hunter Biden’s laptop content probably violates several of WP’s Communist Guardian rules. Even this post probably violates one of them. Sad.
I have been following since the Zimmerman debacle. I don’t often comment, but I do read and enjoy the insight of Sundance and a number of commenters. I will be following wherever you go!
Defund the Community Guardian.
Sundance
We are with you, where ever you go. This is really scary stuff. They are no longer hiding. Socialism is here , it is no longer peeking in the window. The Dems, Rino,s, Wall St, Media, Social media Big Corp. and COC . That is one hell of a battle for 1 man Our President to fight. I pray every night that Preident Trump is able to expose th fraud and corruption.
I have not watched any News since election, trying to live my best day every day
Tea
I am looking at the line
“…………could undermine participation or trust in an electoral or democratic process”
Could very possibly be that calling out the steal is something that put the fear in them.
That is what caught my eye as well.
Do not question the State and it’s allies!! We have “declared the winner”, and you will not question our authority.
Same thing as the warning twitter placed on people discussing the election results, including the President of the United States of America.
I would have never dreamed I would ever see this in a free country.
See you at your new site…and add wordpress to the growing boycott list…
Conservative. Strike one.
Light spreader and truth seeker. Strike two.
Common sense, cognitive thinking. Strike three.
Failure to do, say, & think as instructed. Strike four.
Went outside the wire and blatantly showed “them” all We Know. Strike five, six, seven, eight,….
I would move “Common sense, cognitive thinking,” to Strike One (and include critical thinking).
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/16/mailchimp-deplatforming-a-local-tea-party-is-a-hallmark-of-fascism/
Happening everywhere to Conservative groups
Sad to see. It started with Daily Stormer. No one on the Right stood up against the deplatforming and defunding of DS. Its publisher said that this was just the beginning of tech censorship and that other conservative sites would be next – he was right.
From their TOS:
“Proliferating or creating verifiably false claims or content that could undermine participation or trust in an electoral or democratic process.”
TRANSLATION: “Openly challenging the political narrative promoted by the Leftist Mockingbird Press”
Theyre talking about the section at the bottom “misrepresentative content”…
So they should also take down any website that says Biden won the election also… As the investigation lawsuits are underway… And the electoriate votes an Dec 14th… Verify that information as false WP.
If Biden is allowed to steal the Presidency with his ballot fraud, the Left will only get more emboldened, and the censorship will just get worse. Speak out loudly now while you still can.
all these folks are being exposed, just please keep me informed where I can find you when you find a new home…….
Take a gander at what companies this is involved with…it is an “UMBRELLA” company:
https://automattic.com/
AND if one was to click the “ABOUT” BUTTON, AND THEN GO TO “WHERE WE ARE”
you will find…EVERYONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN THE UNITED STATES….
Salesforce is a big investor in WordPress. Salesforce is are a very liberal company and refused to sell their product to gun retailers.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/salesforce-bars-retailers-sell-certain-firearms-using-software
Salesforce is absolute garbage unless you have HUGE capital to spend up front.