Many people are now becoming aware of a shift in the political effort to shut down speech. The Conservative Treehouse has been notified our “content” is not permissible, and after ten years we are kicked-out of WordPress/Automatic hosting services. Some people asked if we would inquire about the specific ‘terms of service‘ that we violated, so I did.
Here is the direct response from WordPress/Automattic (rec’d 6:48pm ET this evening):
No specific violation is noted. Below is the “Prohibited Content under section 5”
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I have no idea how “violation against prohibition on calls to violence” pertains to our content. You can read CTH for yourself and see if you can identify anywhere where we have promoted a “call to violence”, it doesn’t exist.
For the sake of fairness, that’s their entire reasoning as provided. That’s their reasoning; you can make up your own mind if it makes sense.
We are working on relocation now. However, many people are rightly alarmed by this move by WordPress/Automattic because over the course of ten years there has never been any previous contact about any violation of any terms. Nor is any specific violation noted in the reply.
Tomorrow we will find a new host.
Be of good cheer and live your best life.
Sundance
Yey, found a new host. Don’t shut up. Tell the truth. People are hungry for truth.
Now is the time for Trump supporters to come together and begin Conservative Google, Microsoft, etc. File a gigantic lawsuit against them for forming monopolies….unfairly freezing out competition. Free speech must include the minority voices.
They’re the minority voices. They just control the megaphones.
So looking into other sites on WP. Looks like The New Yorker is on their platform. Based on headlines alone – it appears there are several violations of the rather nebulous section 5.
My question to Sal P and Matt Mullenberg (https://ma.tt) – when will you deplatform the New Yorker. Since socialists like lists – lets put together a list of offending WP websites that need to be deplatformed. Play by their rules.
So is Sal P the sole arbiter of “hate speech”, incitements to violence, etc. What oversight and editorial process is involved at WP. Do they consider themselves publishers??
Oh – look here – WP has a BLM widget https://wordpress.org/plugins/black-lives-matter
I suport BLM right to free speech. I do not support selective censorship by WP of TCH based on political affiliation.
“If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it.” – Hawk Newsome, BLM
Oh dear. That’s threatening violence…by people who have actually committed much violence directly in front of hundreds of cameras.
Guess they will also be de-platformed soon…..(no don’t hold your breath)
note: the link is for the .org not the .com
Let’s not ‘play’ with them, it’s insulting and a waste of time and energy.
Ad Rem….clean up on aisle 2…this above post is NOT MINE!
“Calls to violence.” ? Maybe when we mentioned that the penalty for treason was public hanging that George Washington enforced. All based on facts/history.
No it’s the questioning an “electoral or democratic process” part.
I just donated. WordPress account will be deleted as soon as CTH 2.0 is launched. Lemons to lemonade. Thank you Sundance.
Many conservative hosts have gone to Parler and Rumbl. Check them out.
Big Tech has forced Clouthub to take down Praying Medic, but he has his own blog to capture all his videos, but I don’t know what app he is using.
Well, I figured it would be something like that.
Many years ago I recall a situation in which a hosting service had to make a judgment call on a blog that was targeting an individual for alleged fraud. Some of the comments went far beyond acceptable fair play, and were obviously and gratuitously defamatory and abusive, including deep-dive doxxing and threats of armed travel to the targeted individual’s home threats to life, family, etc.
The hosting service had to make a judgment call as to whether to deplatform the blog. It was those specific “over-the-line” comments that were cited by the host in the decision to deplatform. However, the blog was so abusive, that it was an obvious and easy call.
In the case of CTH, however, it should not be such an easy call for the platform, if the platform is operating in good faith. The exceedingly vast majority of the dialogue has been well on point and valuable to the public at large. It takes unfair cherry-picking to present CTH as blanketly calling for violence. And that is what I’m sure has happened here to CTH, under political pressure. And this is going to be an ongoing problem. All it takes is a few trolls/insurgents/false-flag commenters, and then the next platform can cite them to deplatform. The only real solution is to have multiple mods watching around the clock and zapping these rogue comments at lightning speed – but that of course costs a lot of money!!!
The next best thing I can see would be to compile a specific ledger showing a good-faith effort to zap them quickly, and then show the ratio of good comments to bad, and use that as the basis of a good-faith argument. At some point, with as many conservatives as there are, someone will/should have the guts to host a CTH-like blog, as long as a “troll file/admin effectiveness file” is kept in a reasonable, good-faith effort, which would then provide cover for the hosting platform to have on hand a rational, fact-based rebuttal, ready to respond to any accusations as are currently being leveled at CTH.
CTH, and blogs like it, need a platform home with executives who aren’t afraid to use the Justice Potter Stewart “obscenity test” and come down confidently on the side of CTH….
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Just a scrap from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it
The phrase “I know it when I see it” is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio.[1][2] In explaining why the material at issue in the case was not obscene under the Roth test, and therefore was protected speech that could not be censored, Stewart wrote:
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [“hard-core pornography”], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.[3]
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I expect he knows whereof he speaks, and could give you sound advice if needed.
God Speed! Sometimes our lives are turned upside down, and then through our inner core, mind, heart and spirituality, we are showns a new road to keep moving forward! And as we move forward, we realize that this is the right path to new and greater things! Happens all of the time to me! Stay your course, as you are one of a very few, if any, that has been spot on with the “truth” about the Deep State and their desire to destroy American from within and outside. But the jig is up! We are with you and President Trump! You truly have been the Last Refuge and yet you are the new Refuge shining a bright to keep moving to #MAGA! Thank you!
Yup – weaponized accusations with allusions to ‘mental health’ issues. Right out of the Soviet playbook.
Fight’s On.
Sundance, thank you for the past 10 years. Looking forward to the next 10.
How long has “misrepresentative content” in the TOS included a concern over “electoral or democratic process”?
how can we still contribute.. give u $$$
I used it this morning so it still works….donate button, top right.
Such violations have been claimed against blogs based on COMMENTS made by visitors to sites where they are allowed to leave comments, but I believe court challenges resulted in the ruling that the blog cannot be held responsible for comments made by visitors. That may be the tiny thread they are clinging to in order to justify deplatforming CTH, but I have never seen any content in CTH articles that remotely violates their poorly stated policy.
Considering the absolutely vile and violence-inciting comments by Leftists all over the Internet that are never censored and never bring criticism or threat of deplatforming of those sites, it is clear that this is just a transparent attack on a Conservative site based on its viewpoint.
That is as obvious as a rigged election.
I’m kind of relieved because I cant upvote and having to log in for each comment while in a discussion is such a bleeping drag.
God bless all, read you on the other side.
I noticed that Sal. P. from WordPress is a “Community Guardian” — is that part of the Seraphim or the Cherubim class? Sundance you are fighting principalities and powers; you will prevail.
☠☠ LUCIFER ☠☠
Well, his name is Cesar Abeid and he’s also known as their “Customer Success Team Lead”… He’s their henchman for takedowns like this.
I think the last sentence says it all (“because we can”)
“·Any content…..as determined by us in our sole discretion.”
“Community Guardian”!
Just like the totalitarian party in “1984” (based on Communists of that era), they disguise their tools of oppression with lovely sounding but entirely misleading names. Make no mistake, actual totalitarianism is descending throughout society and government. The process is almost complete. Their last bit of housekeeping is to get rid of the big obstacle named Trump and install compliant traitors in his place, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Our Community Guardian is just another eager member of the Hitler Youth or Young Pioneers.
Big Brother Loves You.
I was thinking a polite way to say “Brown Shirt”.
Yep.
I’m sure this is a busy time for all but as they found “consistent violations” it shouldn’t be too hard for Sal P to give a few examples. Heck, even one example would be a start.
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Why bother asking, your involved in their ‘hate’ crime, the same as President Trump.
IF the reason from WP is a violation of terms due to violent comments or promoting violence, it would be relatively easy for trolls to target this site in an effort to get the site deplatformed.
True??
Sundance. I don’t know you personally. But I love you. Blessings. Onward and upward.
Living my best life Sundance!
And no matter, we will find you, follow you and MAKE SURE that others know where to find you as well. Keep FIGHTING!
Not to worry. If you have commented on our site, we already have a record of your email address.
Ad Rem… left California because Hitler Newsome won’t allow me to make a living, but when I return, it will be with a vengeance. Hope you know how fond I am of you.
Right back atcha Joe!!! ?
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Kindly let this serve as my Like. I’m sure this will be a good thing in the long run. It seems CTH is far from alone in this purge.
Hey Puddy, I don’t know if a decision has already been made on new blog software (assuming we won’t be using WP anymore, not just their hosting, but their software either). But if it hasn’t yet been finalized, and if it’s not difficult, I’d suggest that whatever it is, it’d be nice to have the capability to search much deeper than what WP allows. Like search for comments by specific members, etc. Something that would be REALLY great is for each member to be able to see a list of every comment they’ve ever made, every “like”, etc. I suspect that this can’t be made retroactive… I mean it most likely would only grab that kind of detail AFTER the switch is made, but not before. (As much as I despise Daily Kos now, and I don’t know what software they use, but their under-the-hood capabilities are really impressive.)
You forgot to mention one’s own “EDIT” button! 😀
Boze Sveti, I really need the EDIT button. Daj Boze. Amin.
Nah, that’s for sissies. People need to be more like me… every comment I make is perfect. I do a thorough proof-read of every word, every character, before hitting that “post” button.
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The virtual political cleansings perpetrated by the left only steels our determination.
Word press…is that like a cider press?
RJ…………..apparently! However, what leaves the press is always better than what stays in the press!
theconservativetreehouse will only get better when it leaves the (word)press!
F-WP
Transaction ID: 20431480966207705
Git-er-Done!
The belief that conservative men and women [especially if they are Black] can think for themselves is dangerous heresy to the Democrat Plantation Hive Collective, especially to their Conformity Division, so they perform their inquisition of any who dare to engage in any kind of Wrong Think and who try to escape the Democrat Plantation Hive Collective, or remain unassimilated by it, and declare, “none may speak favorably of them by word of mouth, nor by writing, nor be under one roof with therm.”
Slimeballs. They will be left on the trash heap of dead internet companies in the end.
“Misrepresentative content …includes but is not limited to:Proliferating or creating verifiably false claims or content that could undermine participation or trust in an electoral or democratic process.”
Or, in other words, Thoughtcrime. Which is not simply disagreeing with authority, but even acknowledging the possibility of disagreement.
Exactly. These two…
* Proliferating or creating verifiably false claims or content that could undermine participation or trust in an electoral or democratic process.
* Deceiving users through artificial or manipulated media (images, audio, video) with the intent to influence political or social issues.
… are right out of the New Global Social Justice and Thought Crime Deterrence protocols.
Big Tech has BANDED TOGETHER to do… uh… Big Tech stuff!!! You go, Big Tech!!!
This right here is why you got dinged. Not saying it is right. You are “guilty” of not blindly accepting the election result.
Misrepresentative content. This includes but is not limited to:
Proliferating or creating verifiably false claims or content that could undermine participation or trust in an electoral or democratic process.
https://wordpress.com/automattic-ads-tos/
It doesn’t matter. They are going to find a reason, any reason. Robin of Berkeley ended up leaving her site after she was magically “hacked” 3times on WordPress and her whole site disappeared. Now, with the examples of Facebook/YouTube/google and the rest, they have the newspeak to fall back on. They have never been held to acct.
If you need help of ant kind, I would be able to assist.
The 3rd one Pornography or Adult Content is the reason why I deleted my WordPress Blog in 2017
I received and was solicited from WordPress in my email filth of XXX rated emails from unknown advertisers
The WordPress email I set up in 2012 for WordPress only and have never used it anywhere else
Thank you Sundance. We shall overcome. United forever
Sundance, when I told my wife yesterday about WordPress giving you/us the boot, her first words were, “Do you think this has anything to do with Sundance going to Washington DC and talking with the people that he did?”
She’s no dummy.
And about three months ago I posited to her that it won’t be long before conservative sites are removed from the internet. You recently mentioned CTH already being on a targeted list.
I’m not shocked by this whatsoever. I’m very saddened by it though.
You’re a national treasure that is much appreciated and firmly supported.
Will be sending a financial contribution shortly.
We’re with you ALL THE WAY !!!!
Thank you for all of your hard work, Sundance.
Cth deplatforming was mentioned on the x22 report! Have no worry, have no fear 1776 2.0 is almost near!
Catchy.
Watch for the Thought Police, though. They’re out there… looking for Thought Criminals.
U may want to consider middle finger Mickey in your reply and final posts to this host
Right after suspicious cat.
My response, under lawyers letterhead, would be “Name one. You allege without evidence “consistent violation”. Please provide at least one allegation of said prohibited content.
P.S. be prepared for discovery.”
That’s one way to do it. Success would then be to be allowed to continue to use wordpress.com as a host.
I’d think long and hard about what use I could make of wordpress.com now that it has turned to the dark side. Because I’ll do everything I can to avoid a single dollar of my money ever going to wordpress.com.
Makes me wonder if many of my comments and those of others where we have discussed the appropriate purpose of 2A might have been fodder. We do know that most of the “censorship” that is occurring in the country right now is not fairly applied to right vs left leaning content. Antifa types can spew their venom against conservative or Republicans, but if we express a any displeasure or disagreement with left leaning progressives, that is “hate speech”. We need supreme court clarification of what is meant by free speech.
Bye Felicia!
“Every leftist wishes to control how you THINK….but….perhaps most importantly….how you Speak”
DP
If you are currently on WordPress.com, can’t you just move to a new host and use WordPress.org so that you can maintain the basic integrity of your site? I may be wrong, but I thought WordPress.org was kind of an open source version of the dot com version. Best of luck in any case! —Frank @ HeartlandDiaryUSA.com
And that is the big question. What does wordpress.com offer that you can’t get from your own wordpress site?
I hope that the new site will allow us to look at all comments that we have written or that another member has written in order to better get to know each other.
Can we start using expletives and threatening language now since we’re no longer on here. ??
Well, we mentioned Paul Revere and alas, the Declaration of Independence.
And one time someone posted a clip from the musical “Les Miserables” and that has a PG-13 rating!
We are in a Civil War best to recognize it being so. It is a Communist-style government takeover of the United States. Biden becomes President by fraud it is all over. The citizens of this Nation become slaves to communist dictums. There will be nothing good come out of a Biden Presidency.
In the next couple months Trump can unleash all at his disposal to keep us free. This includes martial law as well as military. Any action which is necessary to save a Nation…..better now than later.
My Aunt used to always say to all us kids, as squabbles came about after something wasn’t given or made available to the rest of us, when the one in possession was acting greedy or just being a jerk:
“Fine… keep it and you’ll always have it, but if it were a donkey, we’d all take a ride.”
Yeah, I kind of think I know where she was going with that. (ha!)
It was a Sicilian/Italian “thing”.
… but all these decades later, it still makes me laugh.
#MAGA
With a potential Biden administration on the horizon the leftist progressive social media apparatus is emboldened to cancel opposition. Since there will be no repercussions they operate freely, now out in the open, and in your face.
Fortunately, viable options are available and more becoming so to advocate for conservative common sense commentary based in a rational approach to reality.
The entire government bureaucracy and media machinery is both intensively (to the deepest degree) and extensively (to the broadest degree) corrupt. So, Treepers await the Sundance migration to greener pastures and sunny skies!
By the amount of support CTH has gotten on other sites, I imagine you’ve had no shortage of helpful advice/solutions to this issue. ?
There is TOR the dark web. Down load it and be on the ready.