While it might seem frustrating to see republicans and conservatives demanding that President Trump stop talking about the greatest act of sedition and usurpation, within our Constitutional Republic in the history of our nation, this espousal by Andrew McCarthy is factually a very wide-spread opinion within the DC beltway:
Take the intents in their best possible light, and the basic premise is that no-one cares about the abuses of power that took place. National Review article by Rich Lowry is here.
I have shared by own thoughts on this matter several times; and despite knowing this issue may not/will not drive the 2020 election; in my own contemplation I keep coming back to this central question: How can this be ignored?…
… How does the office of a U.S. president; and more importantly the republic itself; survive a coordinated coup effort involving all three branches of government; while simultaneously those in charge of exposing the corruption fear the scale is too damaging for them to reveal?
What are your thoughts?

Because the Coup hasn’t yet succeeded no crime no foul?
And if it does succeed then none dare call it treason?
After his previous posts and his big book exposing and excoriating the seditioners, McCarthy is now saying that because the crimes committed didn’t succeed in their goal, happened so long ago, and that public opinion is set regarding the Coup, that excuses the Coupsters’ actions? He thinks we should let bygones be bygones in the hopes we can become one big happy family again?
Is he f**king nuts? What sort of lesson will that impart to those would overturn an election? Does he want a repeat performance, one better organized and plotted than the one that barely failed despite the incompetence and ad hoc plans of the principals? Does he think the Enemies of the Republic will forgive him his transgressions and not make his life a living hell? Is it because he wants to shield his friends and colleagues complicit in the insurrection from the richly-deserved punishment for their crimes?
These aren’t two political parties struggling to institute their varying vision for the Republic but willing to admit failure upon defeat and then regroup to regain power. These are two enemy factions, three or four maybe ganging up on one, intent on seizing permanent power and crushing their rivals. This isn’t your father’s Republic anymore, Andy. You can’t play by Marquis of Queensbury rules and expect to survive when the enemy’s game plan is Might is Right and the End Justifies the Means.
IMO I agree with McCarthy about 75% of the time. But the other 25% of the time he seems to act as he left his brains home. I think that must be the remaining TDS infection in him.
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Do we someday want to look into the eyes of the “greatest generation” and say “I know you defeated Hitler and saved the world but we just didn’t know what to do about the Deep State?”
How many people will line up and take a shot if it’s totally free?
I care deeply about the coup; I do not live in the beltway, which is precisely why I care so deeply.
Drop the #%*! MASKS and all the virus talk!!
This country is on the brink of losing its democracy, liberty, and freedom. Creepy joe talking about covid as a primary platform issue is stagnant , redundant, and irrelevant at this point. It is a deterrant!!!!!
Lock the coup plotters up!!! Do NOT drop it!!!!
Nothing to see here. Move along peasant. We can outlast you. Yes, complacent citizens such as Beltway Andy are why we are in the Big Ugly. I think we treepers know, from my observation, we have to play with cards dealt (rinos) but they know we know……..they are on double secret probation until the next primary. I think PDJT should get the four years back that was stolen from We the People. Just saying.
If these egregious violations of the rule of law are not prosecuted you can kiss the United States of America goodbye. We that hire these goons require punishment for their criminality. If this does not happen I truly believe there will be widespread bloody war on the streets of our nation. God help us if this is allowed to go unprosecuted. We don’t care if it hangs 90% of those in government today…it must be dealt with.
The Swamp wants this to go away because it makes the people hate the Swamp.
My thoughts are that Lowry and McCarthy, as well as others in their “line of work” might have their own personal skins at risk.
Why else would they say such idiotic things?
How can it all be dropped when PT says he is the “Law and Order” President? I think Bob Dole coming out yesterday had some impact on some people in the beltway. Lindsey Graham is fighting for his career right now. Guarantee he is one of the ones wanting PT to back off. Believe me or not but I live in Kentucky (all my life) and I honestly do not believe Mitch McConnell cares if he loses this election. Of course he is polling ahead of Amy McGraef but if he lost I believe he wants out. Not worth it now that PT has pulled back the covers on our government. jmo
Hello neighbor,
Since we have a UNIPARTY (NOT republican and democrat) the UNIPARTY —NEVER— loses!
Just looked at Traitor mouthpiece McCarty’s twatter and comment id running heavily against him!
Maybe DC wants it to go away but out here in Realville Ohio we care!
Sounds like with Trump pushing for document release will shut down their “news” gravy train they have been riding for the last several years…
Andy will get fewer appearances on TV and his “wait for my next article” baiting my be less exclusive…Less $$$$ for them….
That is the only reason I can see for these guys to make such statements..
Or he doesn’t want to have to be on TV opining about his best friends.
How can a rational person reach such a conclusion if new information has just been revealed and key information is still illegally hidden?
Yes, Hillary Clinton Orchestrated the Russia-Collusion Farce
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
October 10, 2020 6:30 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/hillary-clinton-orchestrated-russia-collusion-farce/
Oh, that’s just Old News…
Ancient
NEVER will We the People let this be swept under the rug.
It wasn’t just the President that has been affected by the Coup, there are Millions of Trump Supporters who have been vilified and put through Hell over this.
I want my Pound of Flesh!
I still want it for fast n furious, Benghazi and the seal six team downing, Obama spying thru NSA and then Clinton’s and the Coup!! We need full n clear Justice!
If the perpetrators of the treasonous coup attempt are not held accountable and indicted, our republic is finished. Have we lost all sense of justice since the 1972 Watergate scandal? How many people went to prison for their role in Watergate?
And I was just wondering what McCarthy would have had to say about the people who were involved; should they have been given a pass due to their governmental positions?
Andrew McCarthy is and always has been a squish GOPe swamp creature. I’ve read his stuff on the Russian hoax and it’s Powerline level twaddle. He’s a never Trumper..
Card carrying never Trumper?
Hell no. Trump has proven that he can juggle many complex issues simultaneously. He can run the country, win re-election, AND call for Barr and Pompeo to do their jobs.
Drain the swamp. Its been the rallied cry since the beginning. Even more so now.
How can this be ignored?…
Ignoring this was predicted here over a year ago…and been the main topic of comments section….so what’s the point of this question?
We’ve all had plenty of time to get ready for this…not sure how anyone could be in the least bit surprised.
Start at the beginning.
Get a hold of the relevant documents. Put them in the hands of a reliable Trump acolyte (Rudy?).
Release documents that are clear and damning. Stop releasing hundreds of pages of black, blank documents. Redacted documents are a joke. What is wrong with you?
Start with something that is actually damning. Were Strzok/Page discussing the assassination of the President of the United States? Seriously or flippantly? Start there. Even CNN can’t cover that up.
We don’t not have a malum in se crime, to date. An intrinsically evil act. A thousand gray acts do not add up to one black act.
Seth Rich? Go there.
We don’t not have a malum in se crime, to date. An intrinsically evil act. A thousand gray acts do not add up to one black act.
Agree….and you also hit on the biggest problem with this whole thing:
a thousand gray acts were not perpetrated by ONE INDIVIDUAL but many.
A CONSPIRACY has always been what this about from a criminal perspective.
Our magnificent Constitution grants us specific inalienable rights. The foundation upon which the framework of the Constitution rests is the Rule of Law. Evenly applied regardless of station or peculiarities. Anything less is a #$#%%# CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION!
The CIVIL RIGHTS of the citizenry is being horribly violated by the scumbags who refuse to enforce the law. This cannot stand.
The Deep do do state needs to give Trump and those attacked 10 to hang publicly. High up like peliosi or schiff, comey and stroke and wiseman types. Then stop the attacks on others. That should satisfy most.
My thoughts are due to the betrayal by Barr, Wray and others PDJT should leave spygate alone for the election. Sadly, due to their perfidy it -is- a detraction to his campaign and he would be better served by hitting on all the positives he has accomplished.
People hear political mud being tossed continually, and filter it by paying attention only when people are being charged with crimes. OK, deep state won this round, and no one is being charged. Drop it, focus on all the wonderful things PDJT has accomplished and pick it back up after he is re-elected.
McCarthy may or may not have PDJT interests at heart, but I think his advice is sound. There is no one more focused on bringing the traitors to justice than I am, but it won’t happen before the election, and I can tell from my friends who -are- voting for Trump, they don’t see it.
PDJT is in charge of DOJ and FBI and if they aren’t arresting people, it is just political accusations. This isn’t what I believe of course, but it is what the vast majority of people believe, and it won’t change without arrests. And those aren’t happening before the election.
Lowry is no leader. I would not follow him anywhere. I have put him in the traitor group. I choose to follow President Trump. He is a leader who has earned my allegiance. He did not need to do this. I will never forget that. If we let it go now, the true and correct story will never end up in the history books. If we do not end this our progeny will reap a whirlwind. I am willing to die on this mountain. The evil must be brought to justice.
McCarthy Lowry and the Beltway elites are part of the swamp.
I pay little attention to what these cretins say and I’m sure President Trump thinks the same way.
PDJT knows that maximum pressure is the best strategy to enforce the rule of law and influence Barr to ACT on indicting the coup plotters. If he does not do it he will find someone else whom will.
Why does he think it’s important?
Because he is the same as us.
He loves his country and the US Constitution and this should never ever happen again to this Republic.
Read the Rich Lowry article. That’s exactly what the President needs. Some parasite ridden sissy telling him how an alpha male ought to act. Hey Rich, if he had listened to you at all in 2016, we would be in year 4 of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Cuck POS.
Why here’s a surprise. Who woulda thunk this? It’s the same Rich Lowry giving Joe Biden’s lap a tongue bath just a couple months. The guy’s a tool for sure. back.https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jul/21/rich-lowry-joe-bidens-shockingly-adequate-campaign/
IDGAF what Beltway Republicans want. I do think it makes more sense to nail their hides to the wall AFTER securing re-election. I don’t think Russiagate makes much difference to the electorate. We’ve known from the get-go what happened. Having proof is good – in the right court, somewhere away from D.C. – but I don’t it will help in a single swing state, and that’s all that matters over the next three weeks. I don’t know what issues the campaign should be focusing on, but I know it ain’t this.
My thought is if they won’t address it with appropriate punishment for ALL those involved, then it is up to the citizenry to confront this sedition, tyranny and corruption.
If I was guilty of treason I’d want President Trump to drop it also. They tried to take out the guy I voted for. Fry them all, I don’t care what party they belong to. The only reason I vote Republican is to help my President. The majority of them are worthless. There are about 5 good ones on the Hill, Nunes, Jordan, Cotton, Rand Paul and Cruz. That’s about it. Burr, Lindsay, Rubio and McCain (among others) were in on the coup. Take them down.
We need the new untouchables.
Ex navy seals? US Marshall’s?
Somebody who’ll fight to take down the FBI DOJ CIA Congressional Traitors.
That’s the fight that waits.
What “. . .people have made up their minds. . .” Rich Lowry?!
My thoughts?!
PDJT has to accept NO SUCH PREMISE!
All of the neo-CONjob elites that may have responded to a Soros funded survey can FOAD.
Those “people” and every other G-D anti-American traitorous POS’s would just love the greatest and gravest political crime this country has ever been foisted upon her to just simply disappear and we all pretend it didn’t happen!
EFF YOU “people” and all of your G-D fascist minions and puppeteer’s! You f*cker’s want to destroy the very fabric of this country, and now that the tables are turning, hopefully, to expose them you want to just say “Uncle”?!
No! You want to kill us and now we kill you!!
Ask me again and I’ll tell ya how I really feel.
I think that sums it up.
“people have already made up their minds… most just don’t care about it… POTUS has to accept that”
WELL, that’s RICH of you to say, ANDY !!!
Wasn’t there a puppet or puppeteer named McCarthy back in the day when innocence and honesty still sort of existed in our government?
People can’t possibly make up their minds if they don’t know what they’re making their minds up about.
Most people I talk to know virtually NOTHING about the coup, let alone what the word “coup” even means.
Therefore, how can most people NOT CARE about something they DON’T KNOW EXISTS, in order to know that they SHOULD CARE?
As a relatively normal human being, I generally don’t care about issues of which I am unaware of their existence. Duh!
Don’t know, don’t care.
Out of sight, out of mind.
Isn’t that one of the mainstream media’s primary functions?
POTUS, and we the people who DO KNOW, don’t have to accept anything so criminal and threatening to our republic, not to mention our very lives and liberty!
Isn’t Lowry some type of seasoning, cause that is quite a spicy statement to make, though very unconvincing.
All these not so subtle anti-American never-Trumpers actually believe they will somehow be exempt from getting their heads chopped off by a new communist regime in our nation, which they seem to be supporting and ushering in to power, though obviously they’d never admit it.
Unfortunately, there is more at stake here than meets the eye.
It is indeed about justice, abuse of power, deterrence, fair elections, the Bill of Rights, all these things etc. and more …
But it is also about national reconciliation and the media … about our shared reality.
And in that sense it’s about (who is) right and wrong; and therefore about the culture and the whole “narrative” in general.
— In short, it’s a vector into the battle at large — the whole kit’ n kaboodle.
If the media is not proven wrong on this and made to eat it, then you will be giving them a green light to continue to believe they can go on gaslighting the country in making up their version of reality, out of whole cloth, without the slightest fear of comeuppance (i.e.: this is also about deterrence for the Media’s abuse of power as well – even if they may never openly admit their wrongs – they will still know that We (not ‘we’) know that they know We know).
It would be beyond irresponsible, unto derelict negligence, to encourage perpetuation of half the country living in a grossly distinct version of factual reality than the other half. Even if only in this (“RussiaGate/SpyGate”) regard, the principle is valid in total or piecemeal; in every instance or part.
The “just drop it” position is not only negligent, bordering on subversive (betraying another motive/allegiance), it is also extremely unwise (for each and all).
Ps: I would remind Ms. McCarthy that there are times in Life when a leader is someone who DOES WHAT IS RIGHT AND JUST even when it is not easy or what the politics would naively prefer.
I would also let Him know how great it is to have such stalwart and effective fighters, like himself, on our side. We are truly blessed.
This fulfills a prediction I made quite a long time ago. The more this is made public, the more the defense will shift to “so what?” and “who cares?” Democrat’s will claim that it was justified sedition. Republicans would defend the Government Party. McCarthy is often right on many things. But ultimately, he understands that this scandal is the DEATH of the Dept of Justice and FBI, and he’s not in favor of that.
These Conservative Inc. mouthpieces, like Rich Lowry, are expressing Barr’s response to Trump’s “For the love of God, arrest somebody!” tweet. Conservative Inc’s primary role is to defend Lefty from attacks from the Right. It should shock nobody that Conservative Inc is stepping up to declare Russiagate off limits, old news, nobody cares, etc. THIS IS WHAT THEY GET PAID TO DO.
It is also why everything must be declassified and released without redactions. We are not going to get satisfaction through the legal system. Our best recourse is to tear down and destroy the “classification” firewall that the Government Party erects to hide its criminal acts.
When the President wins re-election, he needs to engage in a mass firing that is nothing short of a bloodletting across Federal Agencies. Then, appoint supporters who HATE those agencies (but know a lot about them) to go in, clean house, and declassify and release everything.
We will not win this civil war against the Government Party by playing within their system.
That is BS. McCarthy and Lowry miss the point. There has to be justice so this can never happen again. It’s not about Trump it is about Justice. They both know that. Their insidious rationale merely exposes they are both part of the swamp. Honest ethical people want justice. It is unforgivable that they are fine with just forgetting it.
That is BS. McCarthy and Lowry miss the point. There has to be justice so this can never happen again. It’s not about Trump it is about Justice. They both know that. Their insidious rationale merely exposes they are both part of the swamp. Honest ethical people want justice. It is unforgivable that they are fine with just forgetting it.
They’re not missing the point. Lowry, in particular, has a job to do in Conservative Inc…defend Lefty from attacks from the Right.
I stand with PRESIDENT Trump. “This should never ever happen ever again to any future President.” His words (more or less).
Some of these people in the DOJ, State, judiciary and intelligence centered in DC have to be taken down about 100 pegs. Starting with the Department of Justice and closely followed by The Department of State career long embeds, and specifically the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Do these people really think they are not cabinet appointments and instead are separate branches of government? THEY ALL GET FREAKING PAID TO WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT!
Don’t believe it? Put Eric Holder under oath in front of a Wyoming Grand Jury and see how that goes. Follow that up with Loretta Lynch, John Brennan and Gina Haspel – same venue.
Wyoming vs DC? Need I say any more? That is the crux of the problem. DC is a very rotten, stinky swamp.
Show what would happen if PT called SSA Dugan and Durham in the Oval Office and asked a few questions and then of course declassified the entire conservation?
Maybe that would help keep the greatest conspiracy on this country front and center?
PT IMO needs to do something totally unexpected on this.
Absolutely correct, bogey.
What is possibly constraining PDJT, because PDJT knows Barr is a coverup, stalling fixer who could have made simple. EASY indictments a long time ago?
I believe Andrew McCarthy wanted Attorney Sydney Powell to give Judge Sullivan the benefit of doubt during the General Flynn kangaroo court miscarriage of justice. How’d that work out?
Testing. Deploribus Unum, checking in.
It doesn’t get much clearer than this.
Note the date is recent 9/3/20
Has anyone looked to see if CS is soliciting a major Government contract that is going to get awarded in the next few weeks or months.
Or better yet in the next round of stimulus is there anything monies that could get awarded to a company like Crowdstrike?
Also has anyone looked to see if 535 other names from Congress also haven’t just recently bought in to CS?
PT has full authority to appoint a Special Counsel to take over this current farce of an investigation.
I suggest he appoint Sidney Powell tomorrow.
To those inside the Beltway, take a listen when Trump steps outside the Beltway and says “Drain the Swamp.” There is no other plank in the platform that elicits louder cheers. My take on MAGA is that clean government and restoring institutions to constitutional alignment is an equal puzzle piece as re-establishing national sovereignty, reciprocal diplomatic and economic foreign trade, and domestic economic prosperity.
I’m serious, how do we get Sundance an appointment with the President?
Andy & Rich need to get out of their DC bubble.
I early voted this week in Ohio. At 10am, the line started outside in the parking lot and was just as long when I was done voting 40 minutes later. There were 35 voting machines and a dozen poll workers paired up to hand out ballots.
As we progressed through the line like herded cattle, obediently standing on our social distance markers, glancing at one another through transparent vinyl barriers…I think I saw it. The look of cold anger.
“No justice, so peace.” Not only has this coup subverted the results of the 2016 election, it has ruined the lives of innocent men like Michael Flynn. If they succeed this time, they will be emboldened to do similar and worse in any future election that doesn’t go their way. But they will see to it that they never lose an election again through whatever means possible.
Too few Americans understand what is at stake, and too few members of Conservative, Inc. can, or will, defend defend it.
Can’t let it slide. A Russian sub-source almost destroyed the integrity of our election
But the larger problem is us. What we tolerate. All of us. In 2004, W raised aprx $600 million for his campaign. It’s now $1 billion per candidate. That’s just what they raise and spend. The torrent of money being donated to “political causes” is funding an ever growing industry devoted to having one half of America hate the other half. And both sides do it. No one is blameless. The swamp is now deeper and darker than ever because we are letting it be deeper and darker than ever. Trump is right. Prosecute to the fullest extent. But understand, we have an addiction and we need to beat that to save ourselves
I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t Bill Barr crying out to more of his close friends. “Help me Andy. Help me Rich. I thought I was running out the clock. He wasn’t supposed to win re-election. Now the clock is running out on me. And that’s going to really really bad for all of us.”
“Andy, Rich, what would we do if PDJT releases all the evidence huber, durham and I have hidden away? The public would then know how corrupt the DOJ/FBI/CIA and our special congresscritter kickback friends are. Lets try to convince people that the public doesn’t care if we re completely bribed and corrupt. That’s the Ticket !!! Anything to keep PDJT from releasing the unredacted evidence we have carefully hidden. The evidente that that CTH Bogey guy keeps listing…”
Opinion?
I think the President can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time.
Both sides of the argument are important, the drain the swamp side and the focus on deliverables like healthcare, immigration, infrastructure, jobs, foreign policy and so on.
Shifting the emphasis in messaging is a DJT talent. Draining the swamp has a definite endpoint with firing, indictments and reform of practices and laws.
The deliverables are an ongoing into the future and directly impact livelihoods now and into the future.
This will not substantially happen unless we get out the vote.
Sundance your quote is bloomin brilliant and if Trump were to quote that at every rally it would be all he needs as it says it all succinctly and with great accuracy.
I would imagine PDJT will get his pound of flesh!
The perps need to be held accountable. Every one of them. Even if they are only involved a smidgen!