The short answer is no; he did not.
Was NSA Director Mike Rogers aware that political spying was conducted through the use of searches on the NSA database? Yes. Did NSA Director Mike Rogers take action in April 2016 to stop the searches within the NSA database that were entirely due to political surveillance? Yes.
Six months later, October 20, 2016, the extensive review of all the political surveillance searches done from November of 2015 to April of 2016 was completed; the NSA compliance officer briefed Director Rogers. Six days later on October 26, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers then informed the FISA court of the unlawful searches and his action to address the issue.
One month later on November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers went to see President-Elect Donald Trump in Trump Tower, New York. –SEE HERE– Director Rogers never told his boss DNI, James Clapper. The very next day, Friday November 18, 2016, The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position.
“The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed. The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter. […] In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.”
Notice how the WaPo conflates the two issues. (1) Meeting with Trump (Nov), and (2) the recommendation to fire him (Oct). The October recommendation to fire Rogers was likely based on the outcome of his decision to fully stop “about queries” of the NSA database and speak to the FISA court.
The recommendation to fire Rogers preceded his visit to Donald Trump, though the IC effort may have provided some additional motivation for the Rogers visit itself.
NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York November 17, 2016, when a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) was set up for President-elect Trump to use following the November 8, 2016, election.
The next day, November 18, 2016, the Trump Transition Team announced they were moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey. –SEE HERE– Where they interviewed and discussed the most sensitive positions to fill. Specifically, Defense, State, CIA and ODNI.
There was a great deal of speculation at the time surrounding the visit by Director Rogers and the move from Trump Tower to New Jersey. Did Rogers tell President Trump about the political surveillance from November 2015 to April 2016? We now know the answer is no, he did not.
Director Rogers did recommend an easier venue for the SCIF to operate with secured communication channels; but Rogers did not notify President Trump about the use of the NSA database for political spying.
It is worth noting other events in/around this timeline. The NSA compliance officer did not brief Admiral Rogers until 20th Oct 2016. The next day, October 21 the FISA application against Carter Page was approved by the FISA Court; Rogers would be unaware of this submission and issuance. Admiral Rogers then notified the FISC Oct 26, 2016, about the NSA database issue. [In October of 2016 James Clapper and Ash Carter were recommending Rogers’s firing.]
The issue of the “FBI Contractors” having access to the NSA database for political spying was stopped by Director Mike Rogers on April 18, 2016.
NSA Director Mike Rogers shut down FBI contractor access to the NSA database April 18, 2016, the very next day what happens? On April 19, 2016, Perkins Coie hires Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson to conduct research on Donald Trump.
♦ Now, fast forward to Devin Nunes in March of 2017, two similar but importantly different issues surface. (#1) The collection of information from within the NSA database; and (#2) the unmasking of names within intelligence community communication.
These are two distinctly separate issues.
In February and March 2017 HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes, a gang of eight member, reviewed intelligence reports that were assembled exclusively for the office of the former President (Obama). That is why he went to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building (EEOB) Information Facility to review.
After Devin Nunes review the information March 22nd, 2017, Nunes stated the intelligence product he reviewed was “not related to Russia, or the FBI Russian counter-intelligence investigation”.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman, Devin Nunes, then held a brief press conference and stated he had been provided intelligence reports brought to him by unnamed sources that include ‘significant information’ about President-Elect Trump and his transition team. [WATCH]
Quotes from the presser:
1.) …”On numerous occasions the [Obama] intelligence community incidentally collected information about U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition.”
2.) “Details about U.S. persons associated with the incoming administration; details with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in intelligence community reporting.”
3.) “Third, I have confirmed that additional names of Trump transition members were unmasked.”
4.) “Fourth and finally, I want to be clear; none of this surveillance was related to Russia, or the investigation of Russian activities.
“The House Intelligence Committee will thoroughly investigate surveillance and its subsequent dissemination, to determine a few things here that I want to read off:”
•“Who was aware of it?” •“Why was it not disclosed to congress?” •“Who requested and authorized the additional unmasking?” •“Whether anyone directed the intelligence community to focus on Trump associates?” •“And whether any laws, regulations or procedures were violated?”
“I have asked the Directors of the FBI, NSA and CIA to expeditiously comply with my March 15th [2017] letter -that you all received a couple of weeks ago- and to provide a full account of these surveillance activities.”
Remember, the issue of the November ’15 to April ’16 exploitation of the NSA database did not involve “unmasking.”
“UNMASKING” is an entirely different issue from the problem identified in March 2016 by the NSA compliance officer.
The NSA and FISC directly noted there was “no attempt at minimization” for the results that came from the unauthorized searches of the database. That “FBI Contractor” activity didn’t require any unmasking because nothing they did was masked (minimized).
The outcomes of the FBI contractors were “raw FISA information on FBI storage systems.”
Also important, “the [XXX] contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI’s requests.”
♦ Then we get to the question of who exactly was doing these searches?
Now, we can overlay that Daniel Richman was hired by FBI Director James Comey as a “special government employee.” Richman given TSCI clearance and top-level access to FBI activity.
Has Daniel Richman ever been asked if he searched the NSA database?
“Sources familiar with Richman’s status at the FBI told Fox News that he was assigned to “special projects” by Comey and had a security clearance as well as badge access to the building. Richman’s status was the subject of a Memorandum of Understanding.” […] “Richman’s portfolio included the use of encrypted communications.” {SOURCE}
Then we jump to the question of the FBI workstation at Perkins Coie; justified, they claimed, because the DC law firm was a “contractor” for legal analysis on behalf of the FBI.
So, the Clinton Campaign law firm, Perkins Coie, was an FBI contractor, with a designated workstation within it. And when NSA Director Mike Rogers shut down FBI contractor access to the NSA database April 18, 2016, the very next day what happens? On April 19, 2016, Perkins Coie hires Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson to conduct research on Donald Trump.
Private contractors with access to “raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI’s requests.” The Perkins Coie arrangement was in place since 2012.
MARCH 06, 2025. Pay attention to Section 2, paragraph b.
[…] Sec. 2. Security Clearance Review. (a) The Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, and all other relevant heads of executive departments and agencies (agencies) shall immediately take steps consistent with applicable law to suspend any active security clearances held by individuals at Perkins Coie, pending a review of whether such clearances are consistent with the national interest.
(b) The Office of Management and Budget shall identify all Government goods, property, material, and services, including Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities, provided for the benefit of Perkins Coie. The heads of all agencies providing such material or services shall, to the extent permitted by law, expeditiously cease such provision. (LINK)
♦ Back to Devin Nunes presser in 2017. There are two issues: the use of the NSA database to conduct political spying, and the unmasking of U.S. persons within intelligence products created by the intelligence community. Two separate issues.
HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes was alarmed at how the “spying” or “surveillance” of President Trump was conducted.
As noted by Nunes, nothing about the issue of concern was related in any way to Trump-Russia, the Russian interference issue or any context surrounding Russia.
The issue at the heart of the matter was how the surveillance was conducted. The exploitation of the NSA metadata storage base, the NSA database containing the electronic communication of every American. That was the issue, not Russiagate.
Later, Nunes shared his concern with a letter to DNI Dan Coats as an outcome of what he saw first-hand.
June 2017
[SOURCE]
In Nunes outlook -along with the outlook of every single govt official that I have ever had contact with- retention of the FISA(702) tools must be maintained at all costs.
Not a single member of government is against the system, which is, entirely based on a library of information that captures the electronic data of every American.
Another way to look at it is that the process of retaining the NSA database must be defended, and in the larger of the BIG PICTURES, the FISA process is simply a legislatively authorized tool to engage with that captured information.
This is why FISA(702) becomes so absolutely critical for the interests of the National Security Apparatus.
Just as Astronaut David Bowman was told in 2010 A Space Odyssey, “all these worlds are yours -except Europa- attempt no landings here.” So too, is the NSA database and the FISA exploitation therein, completely off limits to discussion or elimination.
There isn’t a single govt official who would dare step forth to challenge the baseline of the FISA process, because the FISA process is simply the tool that permits the legal exploitation of the NSA Database.
Think about the more recent example of Tulsi Gabbard being nominated to the position of Director of National Intelligence.
There was no way for Tulsi to get beyond the block of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), the group that held control of her nomination, while she retained a public opinion that the FISA tool was an unconstitutional exploit that violated the 4th Amendment.
What did Tulsi Gabbard have to do to get through that “advise and consent” process?
She had to accept and affirm that she would never seek to limit, restrict or substantively alter the Intelligence Community access to the NSA database. She had to acquiesce to never blocking or impeding FISA(702) as constructed as a tool to engage the database.
So, even a staunch critic for the abuses within the system, had to take a position that she would never attack the tools that permit the abuse to exist. To get confirmed Tulsi Gabbard reversed her position and told the SSCI she would support FISA (702) if confirmed as DNI.
The “Russiagate” story is being pushed, promoted and advanced by every interest aligned with the retention of FISA(702), and every element of the sexy Clinton Trump-Russia storyline is being used as a distraction to stop people from looking back on the issue of where this spying and surveillance originated.
I am increasingly convinced that DC wants people to chase Russiagate, because DC doesn’t want people looking at the Obama exploitation of the NSA database; because every single entity in DC wants to keep people away from contemplating the U.S. metadata capture of all electronic information that now forms the baseline for the national security state.
President Obama supported FISA. Devin Nunes supported the FISA exploit. Kash Patel supports the FISA exploit. Pam Bondi supports the FISA exploit. James Comey supported the FISA exploit. Every corrupt and non-corrupt govt official alike supports FISA. We are told that without it there are great national security threats.
It was the very existence of the NSA database that provided the Obama administration the ability to weaponize it.
In 2015 Sally Yates blocked any inspector general oversight of the DOJ National Security Division (SEE Pdf HERE). The Office of Inspector General. Michael Horowitz, requested oversight over the DOJ National Security Division and it was Sally Yates who responded with a lengthy 58-page legal explanation saying, essentially, ‘nope – not allowed.’ (PDF HERE) All of the DOJ is subject to oversight, except the NSD.
The Obama people, under the auspices of FBI “contractors” didn’t use valid FISA authorities to conduct the political surveillance or spying operation, they just used “about” searches of the NSA database itself.
The contractors didn’t mask (minimize) any search result because the only thing they cared about was getting the information. The people doing the searches were not operating to discover valid information of a national security interest. These were not defective search efforts done by persons or interests with valid intentions.
This was political spying.
This kind of unlawful activity, if exposed, threatens the core validity of the system they weaponized.
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Actually, even as that quote is commonly thought to have originated by old Honest Abe,
it was first spoken by Protestant Reformer John Wyclif in the late Fourteenth Century.
What he said was, “this Bible is for the government of the people by the people and for the people.” (1)
He would later be burned at the stake for translating the Bible from Latin, into the language of the common man, English.
“Why would those who did this to a theologian and scholar such as John Wyclif not want the people to read it in their own language?” is a question all free people must ask their clergy.
(1) riedrich Heer, “The Intellectual History of Euorpe” (Cleveland: The World Publishing Co., 1966) p.184.
Thanks for the info about the quote from John Wyclif. One error though, Wyclif lived in England until his death from a stroke in 1384. You may be thinking of Jan Hus of Bohemia. He was burned at the stake after the Council of Constance condemned him for heresy. Hus and Wyclif thought along the same lines about corruption in the Catholic Church.
Saints Cyril and Methodius, who evangelized many of the Slavs in the 800s AD, translated many of the books of the bible into a Slavic language many people of Eastern Europe could follow. The Church encouraged them to bring Scripture to the various Slavic peoples in this language, which they could understand.
They evangelized my ancestors in the land that is called Czechia today.
In fact, multiple people, to include Gutenberg, had bibles translated into the various languages of Europe and the Middle East. Gutenberg, a Catholic, printed bibles for the peoples of Europe. Gutenberg died in 1468, a half century before Luther openly broke with the Church.
Before the printing press, monks copied bibles by hand and it would take them about a year to hand-write one. This is why bibles were chained in churches, to prevent the theft of works that took so much time to produce.
Someone like Wyclif could translate a bible into another language as long as Church scriptural and linguistic experts agreed the translation accurately reflected the bible as it was standardized in the 300s AD.
Henry VIII in the 1500s followed the Wyclif idea to seize Church property. He then used it for his own purposes, or to buy the loyalty of certain nobles. The Church lands used to supported many people. When Henry VIII and the Protestant nobles looted the Church lands, many peasants lost their livelihoods and were made miserable as “sturdy beggars.”
Likewise, if our government were to seize farmland from those who work the land, most of us would starve.
It is not wrong for people to follow their sincerely held religious beliefs.
But it is wrong to spread ignorance and bigotry by making false statements to slur those who believe in a faith other than theirs.
Likewise, it is wrong to ignorantly repeat false bigotry like gossip.
We of Treehouse Nation should be better than this.
Well said! The Church is the “ father” of the Bible in the sense that it decided what comprised it and thus predated it , and be the Instituted Teaching Authority , as it were, also not only decided its canon but also how to understand it .
In 1517 a warped , sick and rebellious monk posted his opposition, took a nun to himself and later had several books removed from it that he couldn’t live with. Ironically, King Henry once held the title
“Defender of the Faith”from the Catholic Church before beginning his romp through his many
“wives” and initiated the open persecution of Catholics, not the least of whom was St. Thomas More who would not except the false marriage. The Freemasonic Machinations used to cloud the Agenda-less Truth have been working overtime for centuries. It was The Church who preserved the Bible through the dark ages and as its teaching Authority its understanding. And the weak and sometimes even corrupt men rather than being an indictment of The Church oxymoronically attest to its Divine Origin as, in spite of them , It survives as promised the 1st Pope, St. Peter!
Truth can’t maintain a falsehood, and you can’t have two opposing “faiths” be simultaneously accurate. While we stand on the word given to us, we allow God to enact any needed vengeance or correction on the unbeliever (Romans 12:14-21).
We stand on God’s word but don’t take on others for merely disagreeing. We only keep our houses clean.
All Christian faiths and the Jewish faith are based on the common truth of one God, Who is perfect, and Who expects His followers to live ethical lives.
The Jews disagree with Christians on whether Christ is God. We hold He is God and man, one of the three entities of the Trinity. And we Christians believe in the existence of the Holy Spirit as the third entity of the Holy Trinity, whose seed was implanted in Mary to bring the Son (who already existed in spirit) to life in human form.
Catholics and Orthodox Christians have the seven sacraments, and the Sacrifice of the Divine Liturgy. Catholics and Orthodox believe God requires weekly attendance at Divine Liturgy. They believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, per the Chapter 6 of the Gospel of John. They also believe in the concept of purification after death for those not condemned to Hell, per Chapter 3 of Paul’s first Epistle to the Corinthians. And they believe in the necessity of corporal works of mercy per the Epistle of James and per Christ’s parable of the Good Samaritans .. and per Christ’s personal example throughout the Gospels.
Protestants and other Christians do not agree with these items of faith of Catholic and Orthodox Christians.
The average person who says he or she is a bible believer would logically be part of all Christians who similarly profess believe in the bible, and there would be one uniform creed to this religion. However, this is not true. Since many Christians believe they are competent to interpret Scripture for themselves, there are a multitude of denominations that are not Catholic or Orthodox.
So instead of shooting McKinley for believing differently than me, he and I and most others try to live and let live. This was the concept of America. The colonists tended to attack those who were not of their faith, and since no Protestant denomination was in the majority, thankfully the minority sects’ peoples were not wiped out before they came to a grudging agreement to have some form of religious tolerance.
People of my religion (Catholic) faced formal discrimination and exclusion. But America’s Patriots and the real men of the Revolution like Washington couldn’t overlook the fact that Catholics, though only 2% of the American colonial population, were about 30% of the Continental Army. The Irish knew what it was like to undergo ethnic and religious genocide at the hands of the English. Foreign aid to the Revolution came almost entirely from Louis XVI of France and Carlos III of Spain, both practicing Catholics. And two of the Revolution’s most competent officers were the Poles Kosciuszko and Pulaski. The anti-Catholic bigotry of New Englanders cost Washington a chance to bring Quebec into the American union. They opposed the British too, but feared persecution by the Puritans.
Catholics fought out of proportion to their numbers in the War of 1812 and the Mexican War. French Catholics in the Louisiana Territory gave plenty of aid to Andrew Jackson, another leader who was tolerant of religions not his own. William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor fought the Brits in the Midwest using the French Indiana town of Vincennes as a base. Zachary Taylor was a leader in both wars, and he made this point in talking in favor of religious tolerance. (Old Zack’s wife Peggy as First Lady kept a vow to stay out of the social whirl she loved in exchange for his safe return from the Mexican War. She was seen in public several times a week walking with other wives across the street from the White House to St. John’s Episcopal Church to pray for the country. Democrats slandered Peggy as an illiterate hillbilly who was kept under wraps by an ashamed Taylor. No virtuous act goes unslandered by Democrats.)
The performance of Irish soldiers in the Civil War brought a grudging acceptance of Catholics in most of the country.
So McKinley is right in saying there is one objective truth. It could well be that all religious denominations have some untruth to them, and we will know the full truth only after we leave this world. He is also right in that all believers need to keep their houses clean.
Have a great day, everyone.
AMEN.
Both you and TPH would be interested in this movie…
Anthropoid Official Trailer #1 (2016) Jamie Dornan, Cillian Murphy
In December 1941, German occupation in Europe has neared its height. Two agents from the Czechoslovak exile government, a Slovak soldier, Jozef Gabčík and a Czech, Jan Kubiš are parachuted into their occupied country. The mission is the assassination of Reinhardt Heydrick.
After the assassination, Jozef and Jan’s hiding place in a concealed basement of the Saints Cyril and Methodius Cathedral in Prague. Hundreds of troops storm the cathedral where the Resistance agents are hiding. Jan, Adolf Opálka and Josef Bublik engage in a fierce last stand, killing many German soldiers before they are overwhelmed and are killed or commit suicide.
Yosemite, thanks for the word.
The Queen is of Slovak and Irish ancestry, and I am of Irish and Czech ancestry.
After harvest (we ran an orchard in NE Ohio at the time) in 2001 we went to see all three nations … our only trip outside of America as a married couple. (Before we met, the Army sent me to Panama and Korea, and the Queen as a young businesswoman worked in Canada.) We were the objects of curiosity because of 9-11. We told them a bunch of pinheads with box cutters and an affinity for goats were not going to impinge on our freedom.
We saw our ancestral villages in all three countries. Our ancestors were hard working, hard drinking Catholic hillbillies. Czech and Slovak music, and the music of most of eastern Europe is not too different from traditional American country music. Think polka music, only more intense. And the Irish brought country music to America.
We saw the little church in Bratislava where the Hungarian nobles pledged fealty to Maria Theresa at a time when other Euros were trying to force this capable young woman off the throne of Austria-Hungary. We placed our hands on the sarcophagus of Good King Wenceslas in a church inside the Prague Castle complex …. a walled city in a city on the high ground of Prague that was the king’s citadel and a place of refuge for the people of Prague. (And we saw the window the emissaries of the Hapsburg emperor were thrown through — and the sword used to behead those involved in the throwing.)
We saw a memorial of gratitude in Pilsen from the Czechs to Patton’s Third Army. And we saw a memorial to Russian soldiers in Svidnik near Dukla Pass in far eastern Slovakia because they liberated the Slovaks from the Nazis.
We walked the small mountain in County Mayo in Ireland where St. Patrick fasted and prayed. We saw my family’s ancestral church in nearby Islandeady that the intolerant Brits destroyed in the 1700s. We saw Tara where St. Patrick brought the Faith to the court of the High King. Tara is like the serpent mounds here in Ohio, only bigger. The ancient and medieval Irish kings tended to hold court outside, much like a Native American powwow.
And we saw three lands in 2 days. We flew into Brussels, spent the night in Louvain, then drove 1-1/2 hour east to Aachen in Germany to see Charlemagne’s cathedral early on Halloween 2001. The keeper of the cathedral told us he was a German soldier in WWII and a POW and praised Americans for treating him decently. We then drove 2 hours southwest to Bastogne, Belgium to the Battle of the Bulge Museum. The Queen’s father was a tanker in that battle and suffered serious wounds. I was a vet of the 101st Airborne Division, but during the time the bumbling Carter was president instead of when they held out at Bastogne.
And then we drove 3 hours south to Domremy, France, and went to evening Mass in the tiny church in that village where Joan of Arc worshipped God as little girl and as a teenage girl. It was eerie and uplifting to be in the presence of a patriot and martyr of her magnitude. Villagers right away picked us out as “les Americains” and they surrounded us after Mass. The priest welcomed us to Domremy, and the Queen, who can speak some French, addressed them like Natalie Wood speaking Russian to the Siberian peasants in “The Great Race.” They thanked us for coming to their village to honor Joan. All Saints Day 11/1 we saw Joan’s house, which was sturdy, and the basilica built in her honor in the pasture above the village where she and the other children herded sheep and cattle. Then to Vaucouleurs, where Joan reported for duty in 1429, as a 17-year-old girl who had the responsibilities of a woman.
Then back to Brussels to catch our plane. We did stop in Verdun and in areas in the St. Mihiel campaign of 1918. Verdun was where several hundred thousand French and German soldiers died horribly due to the failures of their leaders. St. Mihiel was where the Americans drove the final nails into the German army to make them seek an armistice.
We are incredibly blessed to be Americans to have avoided all that turmoil. May we commit to staying one Nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
yes you are right..Jan Hus of Bohemia been burned at stake after Council of Constance in the year 1415…
“Honest Abe” was a traitor and responsible for the deaths of more Americans than anyone in history. He got exactly what he deserved.
Lincoln launched the most devastating war in our nation’s history and suspended habeus corpus- arrested political dissenters & Maryland legislators so Maryland couldn’t join a peaceful secession. If war had been started to free slaves, Abe’s Emancipation Proclamation would have been issued in 1861 when war broke out, not in 1863 after he’d been losing battles and firing generals. He was a “1/2 assed” hypocritical emancipator, not freeing a single slave in any of a handful of Union slave-owning states or in any territory Union troops controlled. His proclamation was meant to provoke slave revolts in “states in rebellion.” His war helped destroy states’ rights and increase the power of a dangerous, centralized federal government. He sought to deport freed slaves to places like Haiti & Liberia & supported the Colonization Society. Abe’s home state Illinois enacted the most draconian “anti-black” laws, disallowing freed blacks from stepping foot in IL for more than 10 days or face fines, jail & possibly being auctioned into slavery. The U.S. should have ended slavery as other more civilized nations did, offering compensation to slave owners, not by massive loss of life.
The war started due to Southen slaveholder aggression.
Zachary Taylor, a slave holder himself, realized slavery was hurting the Union. He looked at a Seward plan to buy the slaves free with federal money and resettle them as homesteaders in the West or as sharecroppers in the South, or as workers in the North.
A lot of slave holders would oppose such a move because their statuses were wrapped up in controlling the lives of other people.
Taylor, a war hero multiple times, threatened secessionist traitors in Congress to their faces with hanging.
He died suddenly in the middle of 1850 when he was on the verge of victory against the slave holders and the Northern bankers who held many of their debts. The Swamp of the time danced on Taylor’s grave, then passed the Compromise of 1850 with the Fugitive Slave Act, which ensured the Civil War would happen. Democrat mob violence in the North, ballot suppression of Republicans in the South, racism against Hispanic citizens in New Mexico to keep them from organizing as a state, and open murder by secessionists in Kansas were typical Democrat responses.
Lincoln for awhile did support repatriation of blacks to Africa or their transfer to the West Indies. But he came to understand America was home for blacks, too, even though most of them were slaves and many of them were auctioned off like animals. Think about the white Slavic women who the Turks auctioned off naked for use as sex slaves, or the Western European female captives from raids on coastal towns who Moroccan and Algerian Muzzies acutioned off naked as sex slaves. This degrading commerce was done in this country to blacks, with the attendant separation of mates and children.
Maryland was full of Copperhead scumbags then, just like it is full of Copperhead scumbags today. Their disloyal leaders deserved the harshest form of punishment available. The execrable Maryland lawyer Roger Taney of Dred Scott decision infamy was Chief Justice until he croaked in 1864. He used lawfare against President Lincoln like the Dems use lawfare against President Trump.
Lincoln fought the war to preserve the Union. He was anti-slavery, but he knew most of America wasn’t with him at the time. They were with him on preserving the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation, true, did not free slaves in Delaware or Maryland or Kentucky or Missouri or the counties who returned to the Union from secesh Virginia.
Blacks fled to Union lines to seek freedom. This deprived Rebels of their labor. Eventually Grant and Sherman and other Union commanders took advantage of the Emancipation Proclamation to deprive large sections of the Confederacy of slave labor. Roughly 200,000 American blacks served in Union blue during the war. Believe it or not, maybe 40,000 blacks served in Rebel gray or butternut tan …. they hoped to gain their freedom, or as token free blacks, they sought to improve their status by being veterans. It is easy to look down on them now, but they took the path they thought would benefit themselves and their loved ones. Patrick Cleburne, an Irish general in Rebel service, was nearly cashiered for recommending arming blacks for the South. He was an excellent officer serving a bad cause. General Hood got him and five other Rebel generals killed at the Battle of Franklin due to his incompetence.
As for states rights, the Confederate politicians and officers forfeited their rights by rebellion. If Antifa vermin were to attack federal troops, we would rightly want them punished. The secessionists brought their punishment on themselves.
This was why Sherman’s men were harsher in South Carolina than they were in Georgia …. SC started the war. And Sheridan’s men, in a four-day assault on the seceshes of Loudoun County VA in late November 1864, destroyed every grain mill, barn, and silo in the county. They drove off horses and cattle and slaughtered all the sheep and hogs. They burned or otherwise destroyed all the grain and hay they could put to the torch. Sheridan, upon getting permission to punish the traitors of Loudoun County, said “I will show those XXXXXs there is a God in Israel!”
Loudoun County bought their punishment. The politicians and elites of Loudoun County deserve similar punishment today for subjecting boys and girls in their schools to sexual abuse.
Greedy Southern slaveholders and Northern bankers to whom they owed money were responsible for the Civil War.
Zachary Taylor, a slave holder himself, realized slavery was hurting the Union. He looked at a Seward plan to buy the slaves free with federal money and resettle them as homesteaders in the West or as sharecroppers in the South, or as workers in the North.
Taylor, a war hero multiple times, threatened secessionist traitors in Congress to their faces with hanging.
He died suddenly in the middle of 1850 when he was on the verge of victory against the slave holders and the bankers. The Swamp of the time danced on his grave, then passed the Compromise of 1850 with the Fugitive Slave Act, which ensured the Civil War would happen. Democrat mob violence in the North, ballot suppression of Republicans in the South, racism against Hispanic citizens in New Mexico to keep them from organizing as a state, and open murder by secessionists in Kansas were typical Democrat responses.
Taylor was exhumed in 1991 …. arsenic was ruled out but mushroom poisoning was not.
Bush 41, who knew a thing or two about sabotaging an honest president and trying to kill him, had people in the VA who tried to thwart the exhumation. The Jefferson County (Louisville) Coroner and Taylor’s descendants fought back. The coroner turned out armed deputies against the feds. And Taylor’s three hottest 20-something gal descendants led a parade into Zachary Taylor National Cemetery in Louisville to make their point. The media televised it. The exhumation happened.
DC was such a swamp that when a Democrat Copperhead actor murdered Lincoln, Andrew Johnson had to have a military tribunal try the conspirators. Otherwise a white male jury in DC would have found all of them not guilty.
Lincoln wanted peace but had to wage the war. Disloyal greedy people started the war, and they conned a lot of good men into fighting it for them. The toughest opponents our Army ever faced were our own Rebel countrymen, who fought valiantly for a terrible cause.
Divided, we would have been prey for England, France, and other Euros. Reunited, we surpassed all of them.
Theodore Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, and Donald Trump have traveled much the same road as Mr. Lincoln. Even to the point of protecting labor and industry, infrastructure, realistic relations with Russia, tariffs, preparedness, and regulation of immigration. Reagan faltered somewhat on immigration, but I blame the GOP for that more than him.
We should start calling Democrats “Copperheads.”
They are traitors and cowards who clearly hate people of color.
Just ask the lying cross-dresser loving harpy who won’t let Winsome Sears drink at a “white” fountain.
Racism … the default position of all Democrats.
Black and Hispanic racists who call out attempts to rein in their worst criminals.
And white racists who have a racism of diminished expectations for minorities and want to flood their neighborhoods and schools with illegals, and who discriminate in favor of objectively disordered people because of their perversions.
Sir ( i Assume )
i Submit we Call the ESTABLISHMENT ( Chamber of Commerce ) Republicans – COPPER HEADS
the Socialist / Democrats ARE at This Point – INSURRECTIONISTS / BOLSHEVIKS
Wyclif was not a Protestant. He was a Catholic priest, often at odds with the hierarchy.
He advocated the kings of Europe take Church property away from the Church.
Wycliff died of a stroke while celebrating Mass on Holy Innocents’ Day 1384.
Wyclif was not punished for translating portions of the Bible into English.
In fact, multiple people, to include Gutenberg, had bibles translated into the various languages of Europe and the Middle East. Gutenberg, a Catholic, printed bibles for the peoples of Europe. Gutenberg died in 1468, a half century before Luther openly broke with the Church.
Before the printing press, monks copied bibles by hand and it would take them about a year to hand-write one. This is why bibles were chained in churches, to prevent the theft of works that took so much time to produce.
Someone like Wyclif could translate a bible into another language as long as Church scriptural and linguistic experts agreed the translation accurately reflected the bible as it was standardized in the 300s AD.
Wyclif was disciplined for questioning the presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and for opposing the Sacrament of Penance.
Wyclif advocated replacing many in the Church hierarchy with holier men who would live in poverty. This was a good idea in theory, and many bishops were unworthy louts who deserved to be tossed out. However, the holiest people in an organization are seldom its wisest and most prudent leaders. This is why all denominations have a structure and a chain of command of one kind or another … to preserve the overall mission of the denomination to help people avoid Hell and make Heaven.
Even King David, who wrote the Psalms under divine inspiration, lived a life that in many ways was debauched. He did atone for his sins, however.
Some of Wyclif’s writings were burned and he was reburied outside of a Church cemetery 30 or so years after his death. But he wasn’t executed. He wasn’t even excommunicated.
Henry VIII in the 1500s followed the Wyclif idea to seize Church property. He then used it for his own purposes, or to buy the loyalty of certain nobles. The Church lands used to supported many people. When Henry VIII and the Protestant nobles looted the Church lands, many peasants lost their livelihoods and were made miserable as “sturdy beggars.”
Likewise, if our government were to seize farmland from those who work the land, most of us would starve.
It is not wrong for people to follow their sincerely held religious beliefs.
But it is wrong to spread ignorance and bigotry by making false statements to slur those who believe in a faith other than theirs.
Likewise, it is wrong to ignorantly repeat false bigotry like gossip.
We of Treehouse Nation should be better than this.
WT
There was nothing in my above comments that would give you any reason to call me a bigot.
I do however hate the things God hates. Yes, God has a holy hatred for certain actions by hate-filled people.
I’m sure such an intellectual as yourself know what they are.
Please try to do better, will you?
Get your facts straight, and we can have a conversation.
not a protestant reformer(John Wyclif) – but a Cath. priest-..protestanism began early..16 century …
With everybody for these unconstitutional and pervasive searches and the push to envelope us in technology, without any dissenting or alarmed voices from our political leaders, so that we are basically monitored in ways that far exceed ‘1984’, I have come to the conclusion that it is the deep state from the shallow end to the deepest of the deep that want it and they will kill anybody and everybody who will try to stop them.
This is my firm conclusion.
Frankly, it will be a nightmare undertaking when this is finally crushed.
Is it thought that Nelly or ever had access to the NSA database through Perkins Coie or otherwise?
Nellie Ohr
I hate autocorrection.
I think she spent an inordinate amount of time at the White House….and had at Ham radio license, which is very difficult to intercept.
” Is very difficult to intercept” >>> If you’re looking for a Ham Radio. Very clever and archaic way of communication in todays world.
Ham radio not difficult at all to intercept.
You beat me to it.
Easy to intercept.
It’s not so much difficult to intercept, as it is not widely monitored.
Most agencies are just not bothering with it.
And it leaves no digital footprint.
Yes or Fusion GPS but I think it was Perkins Coie.
I believe that worrying about Perkins Coie’s or any contractor’s or any particular government official’s access to the NSA database plays right into the Deep & Corrupt State’s hands.
Sundance just gave us the ultimate argument for why focusing on access to the database is covering up that REAL problem.
The REAL problem is the existence of the database itself coupled with the October 2001 Patriot Act and the creation of “Five Eyes” foreign allies’ spying operations, the combination of which provides unrestrained ability to spy on American citizens 24/7 – WITH or WITHOUT ANY U.S. COURT – AUTHORIZED WARRANT TO DO SO – in direct violation of our 4th Amendment rights.
Sundance is correct – “It was the very existence of the NSA database that provided the Obama administration the ability to weaponize it.”
This IS political spying.
This IS unlawful activity.
THE EXISTENCE OF THE NSA DATABASE & FIVE EYES MAKES IT POSSIBLE.
Yep.
I was alone in the woods on the right when I voiced concerns about the Patriot Act. A little too late now
👍 Alone but nonetheless correct.
It is far, far from late. It is not inevitable like gravity. Or, more expressively, it is not inevitable like the crime wave in a blue city, as Trump just proved. It is all man made, therefore, it can be man unmade.
The microphone in cars can be optional or customer installable. Wireless tech can also be optional. These are examples. A way to disconnect the battery in the smart phone must be a requirement.
But, the hardest will be to delete the database and to give us, We the Zpeople, methods to corrupt the information that we give off with our tech, digital confusion and camouflage, if you will.
Thank you, Sundance. Sundance is a national treasure.
This may be beyond DJT’s attention span but I hope someone can get him to read this.
you need the snark to be cute or just simple TDS curdled your brain ?
Look up the word pendejo!
Well put, Bobo!
You know, while I was reading this, something came to me. It was necessary for cheating to happen in the 2020 election and for Biden to absolutely win even though later it would be brought to light. They had to run the clock out for accountability. They had to make sure they were clear of punishment.
which means the SOL restart if the election is prosecutied.
Roberts blocked it before because the injury hasnt occured, then he blocked it after saying it was already decided.
Except that “Conspiracy” has no statutory limit.
I know how to get rid of FISA(702); use it against Tom Cotton and Mark Warner. Throw in Shift and Fallowell for good measure. Give them some nice hard (702), and watch ’em squirm.
You misspelled Swallowell.
This video from General Flynn’s “retirement” is very surprising. Apparently, Admiral Rogers owes his career to General Flynn. It makes you wonder.
https://rumble.com/v6xjwbi-adm-mike-rogers-and-mike-flynn.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o
Thank you. Filling in these blanks of information helps tremendously in trying to stay on top of all this information.
Seems the question as to why there is no trail leading to Rodgers speaking directly to the issue is related to Treason and such. As director he has some serious contractual obligations, so what he can and cannot say to a then “private” citizen is extensive. The argument could be made that if DJT received a “briefing” on spying from the NSA director, he’d also be in trouble, regardless of the truth or morality.
The above indicates something happened, a big enough something, to set things into motion, so whether there is a direct trail, memo, that said Rodgers outright broke his contractual obligations is entirely irrelevant. We are here because many things happened.
Worth observing, the NSA collects everything, has forever. The NSA was sued over 50 years ago for mind controlling someone at a distance, and lost in court. It is collecting this post, it is never going away, but what it does not do is explicitly engage in legal or moral activities on the public level, like the CIA or FBI, as it has a much greater purpose not related to bad guys or regime change.
The fact that Rodgers was able to alter actions taken within that silo speaks volumes, the fact that Nixon died a death by a thousands cuts over a pointless effort to “spy on a campaign” and this level of spying was taking place and is now seen as meh, also speaks volumes. Nixon went down for “spying” on a pointless campaign office, which had no impact on anything. The Intel agencies, and five eyes agencies, were all spying on DJT, his campaign, his staff, his family, at the same time, in a coordinated effort dictated by a central figure somewhere someplace.
Calling it RussiaGate diminishes the nature of this, not elevates it. Some plans are so big, so great, so elaborate, as to have no beginning, no middle, and no end. Those have no convenient fall guy to blame, this is one of those events, something so encompassing, so bold it will never have a moment of “epilogue” to sum it all up and allow everyone to feel satisfaction like a tv show.
It appears the best Rogers could do was convince President Trump it would be easier to set up a SCIF elsewhere. No harm. No foul. Just a strong suggestion.
NSA is a White Hat.
Never trust anyone in government, never trust anyone in hospitals, never trust anyone in courts
A flashing red light ….
It always made me uncomfortable to hear others laud Adm Rogers.
I found it odd he left instead of working to address what he had found. I know some are not made of the stuff to do so but it was disappointing and frustrating.
I’m glad he did not lie to CONgress.
Now knowing he did not inform President Trump of this validates my earlier concerns. Imagine how much further along we would be if he had laid bare to President Trump during his first term exactly how egregious the situation was?
I work very hard to realize that this is all happening in God’s time but the puny human in me does ponder the what if’s. 😀
RESPECTFULLY
THERE WAS – NO POWER to PUSH BACK, Let Alone WIN against the system
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I understand and in large part agree.
However, notifying President Trump of the extent likely would have changed the trajectory on many issues.
Yes, I see that Jeffries is targeting our state. I do think it ironic that this is exposing how the dems have gerrymandered so many states already. Republics have a history of not being very good on messaging. This is an easy one and talking points should be straightforward.
Sundance does a wonderful job tying everything together and making it understandable for us Treepers. Understand though, it is so complicated and convoluted I believe most people will have trouble actually understanding what occurred. Their attention span is so short and they spend time looking at 2 minute TikTok’s. Is it too much to expect them to understand all the meaning of the 5 or 6 last articles SD has re-published? I have explained as best I can just some of these sequences to friends that are smart and interested but it is difficult to see them understand. Their eyes almost glaze over. I think SD comments about his conversations with government resources is an example of this issue. That said, I always send them the CTH link.
One thing I wonder and fantasize about is AI. We rightfully worry about the use of AI to manipulate and control everything and everyone in an evil way. I hold out hope in the back of my mind there will be a group of technology experts that manipulate at least some of the AI tools to convince it of the corruption in the IC and government and enlist AI as a tool for good. To disclose these secrets. I believe it is possible but then I am an optimist. Turn the NSA information against the mis-users and crooks and make AI a tool for good.
The NSA has had the tech we see now for at least 20 years. I like you optimism but it’s all it is
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Could we please differentiate between the data collection itself and the misuse of the database via “backdoor searches” and warrantless access by unauthorized persons.
Why. Because the issues, problems and potential corrective actions are not the same. Being in favor of the collection of foreign-origin data is not the same as being in favor of exploiting the database for incidental stuff on American citizens in violation of the Fourth Amendment.
COLLECTION: The NSA collects data in which one of the parties is foreign. This results in the collection of “incidental” data when the other party (or one of the parties) is an American citizen.
The NSA also collects various kinds of “metadata”. This would be, e.g. record of phone calls, time, and how long, but not the content of the phone calls unless one of the parties was foreign.
Thus, it’s important to understand that the NSA does NOT collect “everything” when the communication is purely domestic.
ACCESS: When IC searches are done on a foreigner, which do not implicate the Fourth Amendment, Americans’ information can be “incidentally” also collected. That person’s information is supposed to be minimized or masked. If and when the IC wants to search what the database may have on an American citizen, that’s when it has to get a FISA warrant.
The recent reauthorization of the FISA data collection contained some, but not all requested reforms:
(1) QUERIES: Except in exigent circumstances (e.g. investigating potential death or serious bodily harm), FBI must get permission from a supervisor/lawyer. Personnel who have access to the 702 data have been reduced around 90%.
(2) ABOUT QUERIES have been banned. This is the search that says basically “give me everything you have on this individual”.
(3) Generalized “give me anything that evidences a crime” queries have been banned.
(4) There is some enhanced new oversight of who are doing searches and for what. (Could be strengthened).
(5) There are new criminal penalties for lying to FISA court (but this doesn’t address what IMO should be felonies with mandatory time for every non-exigent violation of the Fourth Amendment.) In addition, all FISA court hearings now must be transcribed.
WHAT IS THE GOAL HERE?
As we have seen for decades, people with (or who gain) access to databases of information (credit bureau, medical, etc.) can violate others’ privacy and Fourth Amendment rights. IF THIS IS THE ISSUE, THEN PASS LAWS WITH TEETH IN THEM.
If the goal, however, is to eliminate altogether the collection of information about what hostile foreigners are doing, terrorists, plots, communications with contacts, cells etc. inside the U.S., then I think that this is misguided. Other countries will have this information but the U.S. won’t.
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It’s to collect information on everyone and everything. What do you think Facebook was for? Look up Lifelog it’s the precursor to Facebook and run by DARPA. Lifelog ended the same day Facebook was founded. The original It workers at Facebook were from DARPA. Big brother and the Beast System. We were warned over 2k years ago. It’s end game now
‘Then pass laws with teeth in them” is at the heart of the requirement to vote in Congressmen/women and Senators that are legitimately interested in restoring the foundation of our nation so it can endure for another 250 or so years.
These yahoos that are in both houses of Congress now are no different that the characters portrayed in that Eddie Murphy move the Distinguished Gentleman – grifters, and pretenders there to fill their wallets and bank accounts.
So, it’s on us, the voters, to actually vet the people we vote on in both 2026 and 2028. No excuses will do for shirking our part of these tasks.
Ah, so a supervisor like McCabe can sign off on a Query. That should make everyone feel better.
What I am wondering about is, if FBI contractors had access to raw NSA data, then why the need for unmasking? This is unmasking from finished intel reports as I am understanding it.
Was the contractor access shut off so unmasking was needed to continue the spying? I don’t see any timeline on when the contractor access was shut off, and when the unmasking began. I understood from previous reporting that both contractor access and unmasking were going on at the same time.
Were they fleshing out reports on someone using contractor accessed raw data, and unmasking of old reports from before contractors had access?
This article by Sundance certainly makes it more clear that there is a big difference between the two.
Which brings another question. How much raw NSA data was exported from contractor access, before they were shut out, and on how many people?
Those data landmines could go off for years to come.
yep. we need laws against TOS murder allowed if you ciick accept
The lesson from the Obama spying scandal is that if it CAN be abused, eventually it WILL be abused. Obama abused the IRS first, then when that got blocked he turned to abusing the NSA database and the FISA system.
If it exists it can be abused, which means it will be abused. Eventually somebody will come along who is clever enough and evil enough to find a way to abuse whatever they can access.
The only way to prevent abuse is to make sure data on Americans is never collected or retained in the first place.
Note that the 4th Amendment protects against the government doing searches and seizures. It doesn’t say it is OK to drag-net search and take as long as they don’t ever intend to use what they find, or if they “mask” what they find. The 4th Amendment doesn’t have a “national security” exception where they can bypass getting a warrant. The founding fathers were wise enough to know the government cannot be trusted to get it’s nose into your business, period.
Probably an over simplification but it seems the future success of any truth begins and ends with Tulsi. How can she truly function with a hand tied behind her back?
What an extraordinary article and discussion!
I doubt it will make the evening news…..
This is why every congressman, senator and judge is COMPROMISED! If you said something 20 years ago it can be dredged up and used against you. Hell if you didn’t say or do it, with digital data they can make you say or do it. Unless the HAMMER is destroyed (Computer system for 702 surveillance) our country is doomed.
Repealing The entire Patriot act is the only lasting solution.
Little fixes around the edges won’t do.
Good luck getting any support from the uniparty.
Funny that they have all been compromised by the swamp using the same tools the uniparty gave to the swamp to spy on us.
Patriot Act! …must go.
Laws are for the other people. /s
SUNDANCE, about this:
“Now, we can overlay that Daniel Richman was hired by FBI Director James Comey as a “special government employee.” Richman given TSCI clearance and top-level access to FBI activity.”
You’ve got so much info in this post that what I am about to say may or may not be worth your effort.
I held a TS clearance in the Army. From what I remember from 35-ish years ago, a background check was MANDATORY for everyone getting a security clearance.
It was more difficult to get a TSCI clearance and the CI only went to someone who required it for their job.
There has to be a paper trail….
Did Comey “good ol’ boy” the TSCI for his buddy, Richman?
IS there a paper trail?
Would/could Comey have violated the law in making sure his buddy Richman (who I think was the same guy who Comey used for a leak to the NYT) got a TSCI and bypassed all of the background checks/protocols/controls?
Did Comey ever HONESTLY say exactly what Richman did with his part time, unpaid “special government employee” job?
Like I said, this may not be worth your time investigating……..but I cannot imagine it would be legal if Comey ordered his buddy get a TSCI without going through all of the necessary background checks and protocols.
This takes time, and should leave a trail of evidence, either on paper or computer, that it was done.
If it was NOT done……Comey has something to hide, and it should see some sunlight, along with what exactly Richman was doing with that unprecedented access.
https://4thamendmentrestored.com/footnote-68-%26-69
In the past there have been hints, now is there any reason to doubt the Obama Administration used the NSA to spy on the Romney campaign in 2012? The FISA court is ultimately under the supervision of Chief Justice John Roberts. To this day, he has done nothing to discipline anyone or recommend improvements in its operations to protect the rights of citizens of the United States.
irrelevant.
Roberts blocked the lawsuit on the steal before (saying you have to wait first before you can file), then blocked the lawsuit after (Saying its to late)
He is Your enemy
CTH:
No Pretending.
I remember when Edward Snowden claimed that every American was being watched (or words to that effect).
You would think that would be big news.
You would think.
Somehow, that story didn’t have ‘legs’.
Gone in a flash.
So is there anything stopping Tulsi (beyond, of course, assassination, or threats to her family) from having one of those Sistah Souljah or “come to Jesus” moments where she publicly denounces her precvious position on FISA?
She could simply say that she found so many serious abuses in her investigations on FISA that she had no other moral choice but to to reverse her previously expressed opinion in her nomination testimony.
On Fox they love to run a lengthy montage of very recent examples of Demmunist hypocrisy where they now express full-throated support for policies they used to denounce and they get away with it.
Someone help me out.
I read it twice and while there are excellent summaries of events in the post the declaration that Rogers did NOT warn Trump in his meeting at Trump Tower eludes me.
I see not quotes from Trump or Rogers telling anyone what they discussed .
Did I miss evidence the two never met when Rogers went to Tower to review security?
I am plum stupid on this one and must be overlooking something in the post that definitively proves that Rogers and Trump never had any discussions where any warnings on security matters could have happened.
Help and point me to what I missed.
“Did Rogers tell President Trump about the political surveillance from November 2015 to April 2016? We now know the answer is no, he did not.
Director Rogers did recommend an easier venue for the SCIF to operate with secured communication channels; but Rogers did not notify President Trump about the use of the NSA database for political spying.”
I see only Sundance’s word for it here, which I trust, but I took the mention of the SCIF to mean Rogers strongly hinted Trump should move his operations.
LORD, hear our prayers.
“ I am increasingly convinced that DC wants people to chase Russiagate, because DC doesn’t want people looking at the Obama exploitation of the NSA database; because every single entity in DC wants to keep people away from contemplating the U.S. metadata capture of all electronic information that now forms the baseline for the national security state.”
This statement is why you have to take a both-and approach to the rolling coup and the illegal spying.
The latter is the weapon used to commit the former. Illegal spying, you say? Good luck declassifying that. And all the principals will say they had legal authority to hire contractors and grant access.
This is very similar to their argument about the various hoaxes. “Well, we heard some things, and we had to look into it. And look! Here’s a judge signing off on it.”
At every turn you’re going to find bureaucrats covering up crimes with a patina of “procedure” and “legal process”.
The criminalities only apparent when you combine the two. Illegal/criminal abuse of national security weapons + a rolling coup d’etat.
THAT is the conspiracy. That is why people must swing from trees for what they did.
And what Gabbard said in her testimony to get confirmed? That is easily swatted away using declassification. “I said that before I realized the room was littered with dead bodies. I can’t now see the dead bodies – the rampant criminality – and not act.”
She has an easy out.
Soo, the $64000 question: Will or would POTUS Trump take steps to dismantle the surveillance state and its tool ( the FISA Process) when even the good-willed MAGA insiders like Nunez perhaps think it’s necessary but needs
“ refinement ” or “perameters” and fine tuning when it’s raison-detre is antithetical to the basis on which our country was founded (having its own shortcomings too)…?
“On April 19, 2016, Perkins Coie hires Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson to conduct research on Donald Trump.”
Samantha Powers and her remote logon capability with multiples of unmaskings still sticks in my craw for some reason. Possibly because there really has not been much detailed reporting on it.
Since Perkins Coie lost their access to the NSA database, did they hire Simpson to use Powers remote logon capability? Would they have known of that capability? Essentially laundering the logon through another entity in case someone asked questions?
There were questions asked, Powers acted as if she were unaware of the unmaskings going on, then the issue was just dropped.
Americans live in Big Brother’s Seahaven, where all of us are Jim Carrey’s character.
Christians live somewhere else.
“President Obama supported FISA. Devin Nunes supported the FISA exploit. Kash Patel supports the FISA exploit. Pam Bondi supports the FISA exploit. James Comey supported the FISA exploit. Every corrupt and non-corrupt govt official alike supports FISA. We are told that without it there are great national security threats.”
What is a solution to this then since it appears as if we are forced to live with this unconstitutional construct, with Congress exempted?
“All of the DOJ is subject to oversight, except the NSD.”
I have always found this interesting. How many other federal agencies have created little havens within themselves that are off limits to oversight?
Who can oversee the DOJ NSD? Congress? The same Congress that whines about independence when a Republican fires a political IG, but is silent when a Democrat does it? What does Congress think about appropriating funding for an entity with no oversight?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/08/26/we-can-now-answer-the-question-did-nsa-director-mike-rogers-warn-donald-trump-on-november-17-2016/
Richman’s status was the subject of a Memorandum of Understanding.”
🇺🇸FISA JUDGE ROSEMARY COLLYER’S ORDER: DESTROY SURVEILLANCE DATA COLLECTED ON AND BEFORE MARCH 17, 2017, DATE “THE HAMMER” CIA/FBI WIRETAP ON TRUMP WAS EXPOSED AND SAME DAY SCHIFF HELD MEETING ON TRUMP WIRETAP CLAIM – The American Report
https://theamericanreport.org/2019/12/24/fisa-judge-rosemary-collyers-order-destroy-surveillance-data-collected-on-and-before-march-17-2017-date-the-hammer-cia-fbi-wiretap-on-trump-was-exposed/
i’m convinced that tulsi gabbard has lied. lied that she isn’t going to do all those things she said she wouldn’t.
I said on a couple of occasions here at CTH, that we are singing the praises of Rogers too much.
My reasoning was that a military officer with integrity would have never cut n run from the incoming administration, knowing that the past administration had/was spying on it. He had better knowledge than anyone.
If Rogers was a decent man and not TDS addled like so many high ranking officers turned out to be, he would have stayed and helped his President clean it up.
Instead he ran to collect his pension, leaving the nation he swore to protect, in peril.
Rogers can go to h33ll.
I came to this site in 2016 and diligently followed CTH down every rabbit hole. I distinctly remember CTH suggesting DJT relocating his transition team to New Jersey the day after a visit from Rogers. Am I misremembering?.
“Director Rogers did recommend an easier venue for the SCIF to operate with secured communication channels; but Rogers did not notify President Trump about the use of the NSA database for political spying.”
Not seeing the logic jump from the first clause to the second one
The easier venue for the SCIF was the reason for the move rather than Rogers tipping them off to the surveillance?
In 2015 Sally Yates blocked any inspector general oversight of the DOJ National Security Division
The issue of the “FBI Contractors” having access to the NSA database for political spying was stopped by Director Mike Rogers on April 18, 2016.
The spying was going on from the moment PDJT went down the escalator…
The Burn Bag Procedure is to put all Burn Bags down
the Chute for complete destruction.
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White Hats hid the Burn Bags to avoid complete destruction.
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White Hats hid the Burn Bags containing documents
of 2020 Election Corruption in back of Safes and other
places to preserve the evidence for DNI Tulsi Gabbard.
What you say here is true for all observers.
Well done and thank you, MAGA Brother!
👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🍿🍿🍿
To me the solution to doing away with the FISA surveillance is going back to the source, the raison d’etre for the Patriot Act and that is 9/11.
If the Twin Towers weren’t brought down by 19 Islamists but were brought down by a DEW, there would be no reason to suspend our civil rights and trust our government. Quite the opposite.
The truth will set you free.
Been saying it all along…..IT’S THE SYSTEM we need to take down. As long as the SYSTEM survives….they will always have another establishment rat ready to fill the positions. And we can keep taking down rats…..but rats multiply fast……..if there is NO SYSTEM……it doesn’t matter how many rats there are….there is no where for them to go, no place, no positions to fill.
We render them useless with no purpose! They are already souless…….along with no purpose they will cease to exist!
This is all, of course, enables “parallel construction”, wherein anyone, including you, dear reader, can be charged with something eventually.
“Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime” – Stalin’s chief prosecutor Lavrenti Beria
https://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/default/files/course_materials/Parallel%20Construction%20Outline.pdf
“Parallel construction is the process of building a separate–and
parallel–evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation. The process is
undertaken to conceal the original source of evidence, which may have
been obtained unlawfully. Clandestinely used for decades, this process
raises serious constitutional questions.
b. Parallel construction allows law enforcement agencies to capitalize on
sensitive or secret national security techniques in the domestic
criminal context, without any form of oversight or accountability.
c. The result: parallel construction insulates surveillance techniques
from judicial review, undermines checks and balances, and deprives
individuals of the privacy benefits that court review would require. It
also undermines fundamental principles of due process. Parallel
construction enables law enforcement agencies to engage in
questionable investigative practices, the concealment of which deprives
criminal defendants of any challenges they might raise and prevents
courts from reviewing the constitutionality of the practice in the first
place.”
Thank you for following up on the Mike Rogers visit.
Now we need to drag our representatives, kicking and screaming or not, to the truth that “freedom” does not, nor should it ever, equate to “safety”.
The data collection needs to stop. Otherwise the 4th amendment is meaningless.
Wow, superb insight, Sundance, and a great exposed of the critical matters!
So, there’s NO WAY to get that reversed again? Guess I’ll be permanently be leaving the US.