If you assert the U.S. strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites at Fordo, Natanz and Isfahan were taken exclusively to remove the capacity of Iran to create a nuclear weapon, you are likely missing a key point. However, if you recognize the strikes were not only about eliminating Iran’s nuclear capacity but also about taking Israel’s “Iran has nukes!” card off the table, then you begin to understand the after action message from the Trump administration.
Essentially, by removing the Iran nuclear threat, the overall influence from Israel on President Trump’s foreign policy objective is also lessened. Within that dynamic you will see why President Trump, Secretary/NSA Rubio and the inner national security circle are so strongly emphasizing the “totally destroyed” message. WATCH:
The inverse of the successful Iran strike narrative is also true. If the strikes against Iran are defined as not eliminating the nuclear threat, then a continuance of national security influence on behalf of Israel is maintained.
Unfortunately, for the deepest part of the U.S. intelligence apparatus, maintaining the usefulness of the Iran nuclear threat is aligned with their interests. Hence, we begin to see why the intelligence apparatus immediately began trying to diminish the effectiveness of the strikes with leaks to CNN [SEE HERE].
Through strategically motivated leaks from within the intel apparatus CNN Reported:
“The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by seven people briefed on it.
The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.” [link]
With this critical conflict in mind, now you begin to understand the severity of the intelligence community moves against DNI Tulsi Gabbard. Those attacks against DNI Gabbard began earlier this month when she started to take intelligence operatives out of their positions of influence [Document Here]
As an uncontrolled Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard is a threat to those interests deep inside our government who weaponize intelligence information in order to control foreign policy outcomes.
To grasp the extent of the problems this weaponized intelligence represents, we must remember how the intelligence and foreign policy establishment work through their media aligned operatives to keep President Donald Trump inside a box as it relates to his relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The foreign policy embeds, which includes the CIA, always want to retain control of outcomes and they will do anything to maintain their influence.
Having previously used the restaurant analogy to describe the State Dept and CIA operations, as this situation continues to unfold, there is very strong data aligning that shows Israeli intelligence is much more than just a table in the CIA kitchen.
Because this data alignment is now significant, we cannot dismiss reports outlining that CIA Director John Ratcliffe used raw, unvetted Israeli intelligence to advise President Trump about the Iranian nuclear status [SEE HERE]. In fact, the timing of the deep state attacks against DNI Tulsi Gabbard align perfectly with the sourcing conflicts in briefing material.
Big Picture Dynamic – The essential concern is that CIA Director John Ratcliffe was using raw Israeli intelligence to tell President Trump Iran was only a few days away from a nuclear weapon, whereas DNI Tulsi Gabbard would be looking at U.S. intelligence that was not slanted toward achieving the immediate objectives of Israel.
The intelligence conflict plays out differently in the media as the deep state pushes a personality narrative, while Israel-First embeds freeze DNI Gabbard out of the actionable influence. There is a lot of Machiavellian nuance inside this game of power and control, and none of it is good. President Trump is bombarded with, “Who are you going to believe” type questions, and that is exactly what we saw play out.
Yes, the overall concern about Iran having nuclear weapons is first and foremost. As evidenced in the perspectives and action by President Trump trump, this larger issue dynamic ultimately determined his approach – REMOVE THE THREAT.
In the aftermath of “Operation Midnight Hammer”, President Trump wants to move on to other affairs of large consequence to his domestic and foreign policy objectives. However, those objectives are not in alignment with what DC and the Intelligence Community want to see done.
The Intelligence Community (IC) want President Trump back in the control box reacting only to their interests in the manner they construct for him to react. This is why the IC are pushing a narrative that Operation Midnight Hammer did not destroy the Iran nuclear threat, and President Trump is forcefully refusing to go back into the control box by saying Operation Midnight Hammer was a resounding success.
This is the context, the control battle that is taking place in the headlines, and every element is connected to this larger dynamic.
Without too much question, the CIA and Israeli intelligence network have such a symbiotic relationship it is almost impossible to tell them apart. The goals, objectives and priorities of the CIA are the goals, objectives and priorities of Israel. Watch closely with clear eyes and you will easily see this dynamic.
Today, “Iran’s parliament has passed a bill halting cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).” The measure will bar IAEA inspectors from accessing Iran until the security of its nuclear facilities is ensured. [link] This is a move that assists President Trump in not getting pulled back into the global intelligence control box. It is a move by Iran that I fully support, because it aligns with America First interests.
As former Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), current Secretary of State and National Security Advisor Marco Rubio knows every element in this IC construct. Rubio’s first move was to dissolve USAID, remember that.
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CNN is the State Dept. – Nuclear Narrative Attack
Washington Post is the CIA – Gabbard Attack
Hopefully … Tulsi and Kristi out the slug(s) who sent “Top Secret per CNN” stuff to CNN.
Calling Pam Bondi … shouldn’t somebody at CNN be arrested ??? Geee … your fans at Fox would even love to see that one.
Pretty sure that assessment was written solely for newsroom use.
Don’t care if was written to be used in the rest room … “classified is classified” (even if CNN news hype) and CNN admitted to a crime on air.
Would be fun to watch.
I’m all for hammering these people, but it was orchestrated from the top is my point. This was planned, written and released from someone very senior in the org.
You or I or my pet turtle could all compose an “intelligence brief that was leaked by anonymous sources…”
It’s not that difficult.
At this juncture, nothing the CNN/MSNBC/NYT dalliance writes/says/reports should be awarded any credence. ANY.
Just as the Medical Community has completely tossed away their credibility, so has the Media. And so did the FBI.
It’s a big problem when honest doctors or honest media or honest Law Enforcement officials try to share.
They are all lumped in with the previous exposed liars and hence lose any credence they might have dutifully earned.
On what legal basis should somebody at CNN be arrested?
Freedom of the Press allows the media to do what they do.
It’s illegal for them to publish known TS info.
NO IT IS NOT!
Show me the law you are quoting in that totally ungrounded assertion!
start with the espionage act then try 18 U.S. Code 798 then go on from there to several other statutes that address specific issues
So, seems to me that if the person(s) that provided the secret (top secret?) info had a security clearance allowing them to access it and the authority to release that info.. why no name? If did not have either clearance or authority then it would appear to be a crime. Seems like assisting them would also be a crime. The evidence for arrest would be the publication of the secret info. Of course, they’d be innocent unless proven guilty in a court of law.
Classified information is on a “need to know” basis. The “higher ups” know the when , where, and by whom! Lots and lots of CYA!
Except they are not the press. They are Hollyweird actors reading from a script, and lying to the audience, which is what actors do.
humm.. Same basis obama went after Snowden maybe..
Cut their funding!
Lots of people here have been calling Pam Bondi , but she never answers.
Surely the NSA already knows.
Sources familiar with the matter, who will only speak off the record have confirmed that cnn reporters in Tehran are actually active covert intelligence agents providing real time intelligence to Israel.
Hope the mullahs don’t find out.
You just outed them ! Shame on YOU.
But happily you never really named any names. Good boy.
Lots of guess work in sources familiar BS. Leaks are most always BS! I left the rumor mill when I got into intelligence 50 some years ago!
Why couldn’t the “assessment” have been made up out of whole cloth by the CNN Blob Stenographers?
Let’s have the authors outed and subpoenaed, why don’t we?
Natasha Bertrand was one, according to the Federalist.
Classified material carries different weights for their classifications. Confidential is the bottom of the barrel. It is most often ignored! As you go higher, the importance increases. The penalties get stiffer too! Top tiers are hanging offenses. But realistically, today’s politics suck big time!
It’s a shame we never hear from military intelligence in these matters. Y’all have any idea how big our satellite constellations are? The Air Force likely knew within hours exactly how much damage was done and could provide in depth analysis of it.
I always wonder in these discussions if the DIA is closely aligned with the Title 5 organizations. I lean towards no, because we were constantly fighting against the CIA’s initiatives, such as moving everything over to Amazon web services.
Yes. CENTCOM not quick with battle damage assessments. (BDA) Commander should have been on top of this.
It’s a pointless argument that is pointless BY DESIGN. What they’re trying to do is trap us all into an argument that can’t be definitively proven without escalation of the war.
Remember, we invaded Iraq because Sadaam Hussein refused to allow inspectors into his country…
…it’s not like the Endless War Party is smart or creative. They’re just good at suckering us into their arguments.
A quote about the inconsistencies in the warren report
“When asked about how he could have offered the Warren Report, full of inconsistencies, to the American people with a straight face, Dulles is reported to have said, “The American people don’t read.”
Thank you! Your top comment in months!
Why do you feel, as a private citizen, that you should be advised of this? It is not a shame…it’s common sense.
As somebody who had to handle classified intel for the military, there’s a whole lot that really should never see the light of day. However, the problem right now is that we have rogue entities leaking whatever they feel like and no counter-narrative to push back against it. My point is that it’s a shame opposing viewpoints can’t be offered to bring that psy-op under control.
I agree. It’s above our paygrade….. by millions upon millions of miles
Some things surely are, but there is a line of thinking out there that the Intelligence Agencies over classify everything so nothing gets out. This make information occulted or hidden or secret knowledge we don’t deserve to have.
Similar to the priest classes of the past. Keep info secret and you have unlimited power
I worked MI in the Vietnam era. We knew the how when and where it happened as it happened! That was before the internet! We heard it all back then, the rumor mill was full!
Hmmm. So we have satellites that can see into 300 ft of rock to assess the damage at Fordor? /s
I think we do. Satellites capable of more than imagery. Surveillance acft have capabilities too not well known. I sometimes think regular folk really don’t understand the capabilities of our military. But that is okay. We don’t want to give everything away, do we?
Plus the ground penetrative lasers called LIDAR
ground penetrative LIDAR?
got a reference for that?
I’m aware of forest-canopy penetrative, they kind they use to image Mayan ruins
how deep’s that “ground penetration”?
Intel is ALWAYS on a need to know basis! If you don’t have the need to know, YOU DON’T KNOW! Never lose sight of that!
Mr Tool, you think photographic evidence when compared to hundreds of other bombings and their deeply investigated results is not reliable?
Hope you are not a forensic ANYthing.
In the Vietnam era, we had satellites that could tell you what brand of cigarettes you smoked as you sat on your porch! That was 6 decades ago! We could track airspace and we had no radar! Isn’t technology great??? Did we not get Kevlar from the Vietnam conflict?
Our motto for over there (S.E. Asia) was “In God we trust, all others we monitor!”
Sundance, what do you make of Tulsi firing Tamara Johnson from the IC inspectors general post? SNIS sure sounds like the head of the snake. Or at least part of it
….Looks slithery to me….
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/who-we-are/leadership/inspector-general#:~:text=Johnson%20is%20responsible%20for%20the,leadership%20role%20through%20September%202021.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114744029649091554
The Maitre D’ recommends we avoid the Chef’s Special.
End of the 7 nations in 5 years plans and end of the gaslight operation that spans 4 decades
We certainly hope so my friend.
I want to know if these anonymous sources that the NY post has are able to fly to Iran and back in less than a minute, catch bullets in their hands, repel Tomahawk missiles off of their chest and see-through tons of granite and cement a mile underneath the ground? Oh yeah, and the only thing that can stop them from doing this is kryptonite, which can only be obtained from a planet… Far, far away.
Amazing analysis. 1000% agree.
Thank You, Sundance !
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I have no doubt that the our IC and Israeli interests are one and the same. If you look the last 25 years of “foreign policy” in the ME, only one country has universally benefited, and it’s not us.
But within that realization, what explains the action during the Obama years? Why did the IC that aligns with Israeli interests allow the Obama regime to loosen sanctions and give Iran billions of dollars. What would be the motivation behind that?
Keeping a viable enemy.
Isn’t it pretty much Orwell’s principle of “We have always been at war with Eastasia”?
Except of course after the sudden flip to Eurasia.
Forever wars always, peace never.
I don’t have an answer but I have another question.
When have we not been funding both sides of a war to the detriment of the U.S. ?
Bank of International Settlements, initiated in 1930. Allowed Ford to transact business with Nazi Germany during WW2.
US capitalist anti semites funded hitler as a tool to depose the communist revolution in Russia. They wanted to kill the Jews because too many Jews were involved with the Russian communists. They believed the Jews were a threat to western europe and the USA. Similar tendencies are going on right now.
Very similar events for the Bolshevik revolution and Mao and Pol Pot etc etc etc
Ford, Alcoa and a small handful were actually charged with collaberation, including George Herbert Walker leaving you one degree from Prescott Bush.
Very Small Club
Was the IC wary of his Globohomo handlers?
Is there a difference/2 groups?
Perhaps this was just to strengthened Iran bogeyman for Israel/IC’s future use.
Tangled frickin web.
Lol. Globohomo. There is only one place I have heard that before.
“What would be the motivation behind that?”
To keep the crisis narrative (Iran is building nukes) going and thereby the money being made from the crisis flowing.
Never let a crisis go to waste or I might add never let it disappear either. PDJT just made the “Iran is building nukes” crisis disappear; hence, all of the media reporting the crisis didn’t disappear and the threat is still 2 months away.
Don’t overthink it. The whole left wants Israel to be wiped off the map. I don’t see any alignment there. Right now they are fanning the flames of war, while criticizing Trump at the same time, because their biggest threat at this moment is Trump and they want to sink him and fracture MAGA. They’ll deal with Israel later.
Just now Trump said about Israel, “technically, they were right”, when he was talking about the ceasefire violation.
but he did not refer to their missiles after the cease fire declaration that killed a family of 4 in an apartment building. In my view he downplayed the greater offense.
Knowing how Trump is, that is as much as you’ll get from him to let you know that he was wrong.
I still think it’s very good that he acknowledged it.
Yes, he did.
Also by the F bomb.
Does not for me in any way diminish his achievement or his Best President of a Lifetime status.
Retired Magistrate here: How about money laundering and kick backs; it is always about the money.
Yes!
Wartime creates ideal conditions for money laundering, as well as for kidnapping thousands of orphans for the vile child sex trafficking industry.
And just imagine the possible organ harvesting, unbeknownst to the rest of humanity.
WAR serves many purposes for the Evil Ones amongst us.
That’s such a great question. Wonder if mutual destruction should one side expose the other? Agree with Marcia…always about the money.
I beleive Trump just loosened sanctions on Iran oil
Gabbard installs Trump ally and ‘deep state’ critic atop intel analysis hub
FTA –
Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard has tapped an experienced former spy and vocal supporter of President Donald Trump to run an analytic hub …. according to three people with knowledge of the move.
The appointment of Nicholas Kass as the acting chair of the National Intelligence Council is the latest sign that Gabbard is seeking to assert greater control over the influential intelligence assessment group, which weighs major national security issues at the behest of top U.S. officials.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/24/gabbard-nicholas-kass-national-intelligence-council-00422137
Truth is we don’t know, President Trump doesn’t know, the IC doesn’t know, the Israelis don’t know and I doubt the Iranians know. Everything is buried under hundreds of feet of rock. Eventually, the Iranians will burrow back into the facilities and information will start leaking out but that will take a while. BDA is notoriously hard even when everyone is acting in good faith which they are not.
FAFO
Iran’s Parliament approves suspending cooperation with IAEAhttps://en.mehrnews.com/news/233645/Iran-s-Parliament-approves-suspension-cooperation-with-IAEA
We will know when the Iranians start digging out the rubble. The amount of radiation release will also let us know how much real damage occurred.
Having spent a good part of the day reading various anti-Israel sites rejoice at the advice that the Israel/US effort in Iran was not effective, I posted some of the logic reiterated in this CTH article….that (despite initial info that the US effort was successful) it is in the IC/neo-con interest to indicate that it wasn’t. It appears that this has given some of the posters some food for thought. There has been crickets in response….lol
Good for you! Such fortitude is impressive.
What would be nice to see?
The reporter who wrote the article hauled away in chains and placed under prosecution for treason for divulging classified battle damage assessments from an anti-nuclear wartime exchange–under penalty of death.
Let that contribution to “free press” sit on the reporter’s shoulders and conscience as contemplation ensues to have the charges reduced to 10 years in prison if the sources are divulged. Otherwise, death penalty for crimes against the state in the form of treason to undermine the national war effort against a devastating international conflict.
I am so tired of the posturing and pretending. The insane, never-ending quest for money, power, and control.
Mankind has turned itself into nothing but a crazed mob of money-chasers. Power seekers. Control freaks.
The minute the advance of technology turned up the volume to 11 some 35-40 years ago, I had a foreboding sense that humanity was signing its own death warrant. All most people can think about is the latest technology that they need more money to obtain — which of course makes them lazier, fatter, stupider, meaner, and more adept at pretending and posturing.
I’m sick of it. It’s turning me into a misanthrope. I’ve had it. Really. What are we doing?
A major force behind the addictive focus upon materialism is due in great measure to the simultaneous rise of atheism.
Forsake your descent into misanthropy and instead seek out a religious community in alignment with your beliefs.
There is no way to successfully influence or deter the high IQ overly educated seriously clinically indoctrinated God-Is-Dead folks at the pinnacle of the current tech hierarchy.
YMMV.
Pray for PDJT. He is amazing and the most consequential person in the 21st century and more.
There is a fairly facile path to reducing IC influence. Ironically, I saw it being executed during the Biden admin.
Reduce the absolute number of TS and compartmented clearances.
Obviously, this has to be done in a methodical, objective oriented way. During the Biden admin, it had every appearance of being a blanket approach.
Additionally, the administration/President needs to dig deeper into the Congressional/IC/DoD “relationships” that exist on the black side. Democratic (as in democracy, not party) control of how the green stuff flows needs independent over-sight regardless of classification.
Addendum: I witnessed the same reduction in clearances during the first PDJT term as well. At the time, it was considered a budget matter by the Services. So there is a broader dimension to all of this (i.e., trade-offs). While it doesn’t support my thought process, the flip side is that needed analysis at these elevated clearance levels perhaps doesn’t get done.
The less that information is classified will finally give the public at large access to what’s really going on.
Classification mania of the past century let the corrupt compromised and infiltrated IC continue un-American activities unabated
This must immediately end.
For all time…..
Well, the Israel Atomic Energy Commission agrees with President Trump:
Bibi is providing data to support President Trump’s position and counter the deep-state/IC globohomo manipulation:
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-858987
Extra points to note:
Most Israeli leftist globohomo mockingbird media is trying to parrot the “no damage” bs; more objective Israeli media and most Israelis are pointing out the US “leaks” about this are just attempts to bash President Trump and Bibi, and the only lament most Israelis are currently expressing is that the Iranian’s didn’t overthrow the Ayatollah Sodomocracy regime yet.
but, but, Sundance says the deep state is aligned with Israel first interests but you are saying that Israel is saying the opposite of the deep state intel community.
There’s actually no contradiction here, just lack of sufficient understanding.
I’ve been writing along these lines for some time:
“[The key to understanding this], is answered by taking everything Sundance ever wrote about the US deep-state/IC, DOJ and “Biden regime”-type judges, advancing that structure with about 50 more years of development under turd politicians like Clinton, Biden, Obama, and the Bushes, and applying it to present day Israel.
Bibi is, at best, the “Donald Trump” of Israel, with much less money.“
I would say more like a Dick Chaney.
Well, “Nobody”, any information which contradicts the “Israel Is Omnipotent And Controlling the US” narrative became unwelcome here. It may be true, it may be undeniable, but we just don’t like it, so we’ll pretend it doesn’t exist and we can’t see it.
“Those that have eyes but refuse to see“…
translating SD’s subtext: Equating Israel with the deepest part of the U.S. intelligence apparatus. not that their advocacy may by virtue of completely different interests coincide, but that by implication they are one and the same. hence ‘the U.S. strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites about taking Israel’s “Iran has nukes!” card off the table’ and ‘Unfortunately, for the deepest part of the U.S. intelligence apparatus, maintaining the usefulness of the Iran nuclear threat is aligned with their interests.’
a subtle yet deadly attack with echos of animus centuries’ old
Remember the old song, Is you is, or is you ain’t my baby.
If the nuke “capacity” is not zero then we need to refer to the meaning of is, to understand the answer, like bill clinton did.
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Thank you, Sundance!
Regarding the restaurant analogy, which is so good for illustrating the situation: indeed, Zelenskyy/Ukraine is the biggest tipper, but with OUR money!
The 30,000 foot view IMHO, is that now Israel and the U.S. have created a problem where none really existed before. The Iranian President was in the process of capitulating to the U.S. when we abruptly changed the terms of the proposed agreement. In fact Iran had gone to great lengths to try and get rapprochement with the U.S. The new terms by the U.S. were politically impossible for the Iranians to agree to.
Even with all that, progress was being made with the Russians agreeing to help. There was a good chance that Iran might have agreed to have their 60% enriched material placed in the hands of the Russians. Previously the Iranians had walked away from closer military ties to Russia, so as not to offend the U.S., with an eye on making a deal. Iran, like many countries, trusted the U.S. to deal honestly. Note that the IAEA was still being allowed to inspect the facilities, even though it is clear that the IAEA was spying for Israel and Israel used information developed from the IAEA inspections to assassinate some of their scientists.
Well all of that is gone now. The 60% enriched material is gone to parts unknown. There actually are a lot of credible sources who doubt any significant damage was done to Fordow but it is impossible for us to know yet. Some of those sources say it would have taken more than 100 of the bunker buster bombs that were used to attack the facility to destroy it.
The Russians and the Chinese are now in diplomatic talks with Iran and there is no doubt that Iran will now accept their help. In fact, Putin just stated: “Iran and Russia are fighting the same enemy.” China has every interest in seeing the U.S. weakened and they will do their part to supply war material and advice to Iran.
So far from solving an issue, we have made a problem for ourselves where arguably none really existed, except in the minds of Netanyahu and his zombies. I have a family acquaintance who served as an officer in the IDF. He agrees with me on this situation and told me:
“The United States and Israel always revel in their tactical abilities but they are both absolutely incapable of any strategic thinking.” He also said: “Many of our leaders here in the U.S. and in Israel live in the 1980s. In that era Iran with a nuclear weapon would have been a frightening prospect. Today? They have lost most of there fervor and bloodlust no matter what the propagandists say. It seems we have picked it up.”
That is from a guy who has been there and done that. It is funny to listen to him critique our leaders and the news coverage of events whether the left leaning news or the right leaning news. I have learned a lot from him. As an aside he says Bibi is a war criminal.
the strategic error is usually the same, not finishing the job and leaving the threat in place with the ability to reconstitute.
Nonsense.
Maybe not a popular view here but bang on the money in my view.
President Trump at NATO echoed the Iranians, both saying the Israel had been hit very badly in the last two days. Almost certainly this is damage on military sites that we will never be told about. If it is really bad it could take years and a lot of money and equipment to come from somewhere as Israel must be broke by then.
I wonder how many fled the country and what proportion will return?
For sure JohninMK. I learned a long time ago that you can’t care what others think in search of the truth. Not saying I have the absolute truth. The best any of us can do is analyze the facts as we know them and compare to what is possible or likely. That is the goal anyway.
Regards the damage on both sides. We are certainly not getting the complete picture. Probably a reason for that.
“The 30,000 foot view IMHO, is that now Israel and the U.S. have created a problem where none really existed before. The Iranian President was in the process of capitulating to the U.S. when we abruptly changed the terms of the proposed agreement. In fact Iran had gone to great lengths to try and get rapprochement with the U.S. The new terms by the U.S. were politically impossible for the Iranians to agree to.
Even with all that, progress was being made with the Russians agreeing to help. There was a good chance that Iran might have agreed to have their 60% enriched material placed in the hands of the Russians. Previously the Iranians had walked away from closer military ties to Russia, so as not to offend the U.S., with an eye on making a deal. Iran, like many countries, trusted the U.S. to deal honestly. ”
Such a wonderful explanation . . . it could be the introductory chapter for a SciFi novel employing alternate universes.
“Some of those sources say it would have taken more than 100 of the bunker buster bombs that were used to attack the facility to destroy it.”
How much would you like to bet that 115 BBB had been employed, “some of those sources” would claim now that one thousand of them would have been needed.
You are right. When I form a theory I read from sources I trust until I have reason not to. They don’t always get everything right but I trust their judgement. You can trust others. It could well be that the entire facility was destroyed. We will no doubt find out in the fullness of time. In any event, we may find out that leaves us with bigger problems.
For instance, at 60% enrichment you could build quite a lot of very lethal dirty bombs if Iran was inclined to. I don’t think they are but you get my point. However those of the opinion that Iran is the most awful, terrible, no good very bad country, like most politicians, propagandists and the CIA/Mossad have told us for many decades, should probably be concerned. We no longer know where that material is.
Not to mention that if we didn’t before we are going to get an Iran, China, Russia and probably North Korean alliance and it will no doubt be a more robust alliance that we would have had before.
That would be difficult since only 20 were made.
“a lot of credible sources”
Name one.
And don’t forget to provide credible evidence of their credibility.
This is an excellent summary of the politics. My first thought when Trump bombed Iran was wrong. He actually out smarted Netanyahu. Iran was told where and when it was coming and Iran told us where and when their retaliation was coming. Trump didn’t get dragged into Israels war! Brilliant move.
Yes. That may have been exactly what happened.
Admittedly I have not finished this essay – will return when more time is available. But let me just say now something that has been brewing in the back of my mind:
It is beginning to look to me as though the government of Israel is a weapon/tool of the globalists.
I find this idea distressing until I remember that my government has been used as a weapon/tool of the globalists.
This is an hour long video which may help in understanding the globalist/nazi/zionist connections and how far back they go; the interweaving with NATO may also become apparent.
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“The inverse of the successful Iran strike narrative is also true. If the strikes against Iran are defined as not eliminating the nuclear threat, then a continuance of national security influence on behalf of Israel is maintained.”
“Trump says Israel sent agents into Iran’s Fordo nuclear site, saw ‘total obliteration’ ”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-says-israel-sent-agents-into-irans-fordo-nuclear-site-saw-obliteration/
A little bit of new info on the attack. Dropped the bombs down ventilation ducts. That hasn’t been said before.
And yet, just today, a Hamas terrorist in Gaza killed seven young Israeli soldiers in their vehicle……
So, unfortunately, Israel must continue to do whatever necessary to eliminate these threats……..
CNN
There is not much difference between bunker busters and cherry bombs.
Netanyahu’s Office made the following statement following the findings of IAEC:
“The devastating US strike on Fordow destroyed the site’s critical infrastructure and rendered the enrichment facility inoperable. We assess that the American strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, combined with Israeli strikes on other elements of Iran’s military nuclear program, has set back Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons by many years.
The achievement can continue indefinitely if Iran does not get access to nuclear material.”
Also on the topic, Trump implied today that it was Iran who violated the ceasefire by saying about Israel that ‘technically, they were right’.
It didn’t make any sense to me for the US deep state to be aligned with Israeli intelligence as regards to Iran. As someone here mentioned the pallets of cash to Iran and the lifting of sanctions, the commenter was right to point out the inconsistencies in this thinking.
Maybe wait a little for some more info to come out before jumping to conclusions?
Maybe wait a little for some more info to come out before jumping to conclusions?
Only ordinary people need info to draw conclusions.
Truly insightful, prophetic pundits have their conclusions prepared way ahead of time and then perhaps fish for info to confirm them.
Here’s the thing. The brilliance of Trump’s move was to not only take out Iran’s nuke program, but also to take away the threat that they were able to hold over other countries in the region, namely, Israel. It also takes away a lot of Israel’s bluster about being fearful of being blown off the map by Iran, who pretty much threatened doing so for 47 years. We’ve ALL lived under this fear since most of us were young.
But in addition to that end, it also sent a huge signal to China & Russia. They both KNOW it was successful. Not only was it successful, they probably trembled in their booths when they realized that we could fly bombers into the most valuable of enemy territories without ever being detected. They know we can do it to them, but they also know that they are not even close to this kind of technology.
I’m so angry over the left, but also the parts of the right going after Trump (ahem…Tucker…Candace…MTG…etc…) We’ve always joked that Trump could bring World Peace and the left would still attack him and here we are. But he doesn’t care. Peace is the Prize!! I just hope and pray more and more people will learn to accept peace, treasure it, appreciate it, protect it and simply ENJOY it!!!
God Bless Donald Trump and God Bless America!
Sundance, you triggered a memory from my ‘way back machine’….In some Chicagoland (Italian) restaurants in days gone by…and in Panama…there was an older guy sitting in the back, at a table for two…with binders and folders…he always sat by himself…in between the kitchen and dining room…so it was really a ‘table for one’, am assuming he was the owner…(the guy in Panama always remembered us gringo kids)…Hmmm…
I was hoping that this article would provide an assessment of BDA from the 14 GBU-57 that struck Fordo and the ones that struck Natanz and Isfahren. Aren’t there any demolition experts that can weigh in? Looks like there is a lot of debris fanned out in front of the bomb entrances at Fordo. I’d guess that the pressure created by the bombs exploding underground was contained by the mountains and the energy was forced out of the bomb entry points. Are there pieces of centrifuges in those debris fields? I’m sure the DOD has much better closeups of the area from military satellites and drone footage. I hope we get to see the video of the explosions someday.
No, the evidence from Fordow is that the blast wave was so destructive it travelled hundreds of metres and emerged from the ventilation cluster (three vents) shattering their heavy protective concrete covers and pushing a large debris field of pulverised material.
There’s also the early comment made that some haven’t picked up on, that the crews hit targets the size of a washing machine, suggesting they were aiming for known weak spots, possibly inspection hatches or similar man made voids. Nanantz shows clear signs of subsidence around the impact craters, and extensive damage elsewhere.
The final point, why this is a desperate move using a completely compromised vehicle like the MSM, is the statement they moved materials from Fordow to a ‘secret location’. Guess what, that secret location is no longer secret, with real-time tracking available the destination of those trucks can be tracked, and even if decoy routes and other subterfuges are used then AI driven algorithms can usually see through such counter-measures. If the Russians have the capability, as demonstrated in the Ukrainian War, then the US, who is decades ahead in such technologies, certainly knows where those trucks went.
As I said in a previous post, the DS is scrambling now to keep up with Team Trump, or Team Roadrunner, who’ve got a four year head start already. It’s why their narratives crash and burn, remember Hegseth and the Signal app, and why it’s the judges who defy the SC, not Trump.
Thanks for your input! As an engineer I’m interested in the amount of damage and destruction the MOPs caused to those underground sites. I’m sure that American and Israeli intelligence has a very good idea of the damage, but it’s still classified. Therefore, I don’t trust any of the news that we’re getting, even from the administration. It would be careless of them to release any specific details.
There were also a series of ‘earthquakes’ or strikes that registered seismically prior to the US strikes, the purpose of which is to soften and fracture the ground where tunnels and adjacent facilities are located within the complexes.
The nuclear complexes are/were 2500 acres and larger not counting the extended tunnel systems.
Seems like there were around a dozen and a half or so ‘earthquakes’, most around 2. and 3. or so during the 2-3 weeks prior to the US strikes, however there were two or three I think it was, that were about a 5.1 and a 5.2 .
If anyone wants to see a list of the ‘earthquakes’ and tremors and doesn’t want to look them up themselves, just ask me and I’ll copypasta my notes, then all you’ll have to do is use a map to compare the locations of the sites to the seismic activity data.
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The leaker needs to made an example of. Charge them with treason. Military tribunal.
12 MOBs of 13 ton each. I am certain that not much is left after that. CNN is CNN, they are not there to report, they are not a news organization. We have an exact term to what they are. The translation is : “Perception Engineering” of “Psychological Engineering”.
“ Today, “Iran’s parliament has passed a bill halting cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).” The measure will bar IAEA inspectors from accessing Iran until the security of its nuclear facilities is ensured. [link] This is a move that assists President Trump not getting pulled back into the global intelligence control box. It is a move by Iran that I fully support because it aligns with America First interests.”
Please elaborate on this point; I find it counterintuitive.
Desperate stuff from the DS. Open source photos clearly show substantial damage to the facilities evidenced by subsidence, massive debris fields and, in the case of Fordow, air vents that channelled a massive explosion (heavy concrete protection lids pulverised, ejected material etc).
Find the numpties who wrote this product and the person(s) who signed it off and either fire them for leaking it, or reassign them, given they’re either compromised, incompetent, or both .
It is concerning, but also revealing, if true, that Ratcliffe is heavily influenced by Israeli Intell.
I’m not familiar with the group Sundance linked above, but if they are normally highly accurate this points directly at Ratcliffe as being a major impediment in reforming/ realigning the CIA.
Since when is the Treehouse using leftist deep state sources for their information?
How do you win a battle by ignoring enemy’s location? … or what type of ammo their using?
The table in the kitchen writes the menu.
The tables in the dining room are on the menu.
Ooooooh.
Check out the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode “Specialty of the House.”
Art imitates realpolitik.
When Iran announced that it was halting cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)… I was thinking it may have also been because if they were entering forced negotiations they needed some cards on the table to trade with….and re-enterung IAEA inspections was a big one.
I came across this over at BB towards the bottom of the article and am thinking we are not out of the desert yet:
“Grossi said on Monday that no matter how concerned Iran might be about its 60-percent uranium stockpile, it still has a duty under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) to inform the IAEA of the exact whereabouts of the material, and allow IAEA inspectors to examine it.
“Any transfer of nuclear material from a safeguarded facility to another location in Iran must be declared to the agency,” he stated.
The Iranian parliament began drafting legislation to withdraw from the NPT after Israel’s airstrikes began. On Wednesday, the parliament approved a bill to suspend all cooperation with the IAEA.”
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/06/25/u-n-nuclear-watchdog-says-irans-uranium-missing-after-u-s-airstrikes/
The materials were probably moved to another location outside the country, possibly China or Russia or both.
Russia has hundreds of nuclear engineers and support staff in Iran according to President Putin.
My guess is the DS is trying to locate the centrifuges and material and that’s why we’re hearing all this ridiculous hoopla.
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Funny…I was talking to one of my oldest and dearest friends from there…she is there now, and says much has changed since our childhoods….that said…
…this airport does not look like the new airport that was built when I was there but oh well….that said…we now return to our regularly scheduled deportations…
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/06/24/photos-dhs-chief-kristi-noem-watches-u-s-bound-illegal-aliens-get-deported-from-panama/
Amuse@amuse
IRAN WAR: DNI Tulsi Gabbard confirmed that Operation Midnight Hammer did, in fact, destroy the Iranian nuclear weapons program setting it back years.
Interesting conjecture, @Sundance.
We can’t be certain “how the sausage is made” within State or the IC. All we as individual Americans know for sure is …
… the “sausage” generally comes out of there as a load of crap.
I trust no one but God. Otherwise, it’s “Trust, but verify” to everyone, even Trump or Tulsi Gabbard. The least apparently trustworthy, and most demonstrably nefarious, is the IC community (both ours and Israel’s, who arguably enabled Oct 7th, 2023, in order to remove Netanyahu). So, our host’s probably not far off the mark on the background of the “12 day war”.
I snicker whenever Washington DC establishment is accusing one party or another of being bought and paid for, or lying and creating BS. Propaganda 24-7 and it does not even have to make sense anymore.
Realistically, does anyone believe that there is one part of Washington DC that is more corrupt than the other? Eyeroll.
There are multiple examples of treason within America’s political cabal.
On a happier note, at least Diane Feinstein had the foresight and grace to die quietly at her “work” desk. America can only hope she didn’t die alone, that her trusty Chinese spy was there to hold her hand for her last, rattling gasp. Chairman Xi hopefully released a 30 pack of memorial lanterns in appreciation for Feinstein’s loyalty. Her work mattered to someone, somewhere.
POTUS is right to fire as many bureaucrats as possible. POTUS should begin a war that will matter….against the Cartels, and CORRUPT CIA, FBI, ATF, and many other CORRUPT agencies that support and profit from the drug trade, human trafficking, etc. etc. etc.
Americans have been conditioned and brainwashed to endure all of this evil. We are most comfortable with complaining about it. Very few armchair protesters will even get out of their chairs, much less their homes. I remember reading here on THIS VERY WEBSITE on the week after January 6, 2021 that the J6 protesters were WRONG, AND UNAMERICAN.
Jimmy Carter was right…..malaise is the best antidote for American discontent.
Donald Trump can take a bullet a week and it would not be enough flesh to garner even a sliver of loyalty from many armchair Americans.
This man got up out of his armchair:
Bart Shively Marine Vet and J6 Hostage Became a Casualty of The Government. Passing at 58 Years Old.by Jenn Baker Jun. 24, 2025 5:40 pm
This is an American hero. A Marine who stood up to power. May he rest in peace. God bless him and all the Americans like him.
Think about it: The “Eliminating Iran’s Nukes” was ALWAYS for simple minded people who want to live in a world that is basically Good + in general makes sense…..
Intel has guess since the Early-1990s that Iran had some nukes.
Iran could have relocated its prime radioactive material at any time.
Pakistan or China or Russia or NK can give Iran Nukes if it desires – which it just said it does.
—– The idea these Strikes have “eliminated” Iran’s ability to have Nukes is for simple minded people who want to Feel God about the world around them that is – by and large – at the top – influenced by —————– EVIL….
For the Record — I believe that the Conventional Wisdom that —- Iraq Had No WMDs —- is as foolish as those today saying Iran was void of Nukes before now + now has lost the ability to have Nukes because of the recent massive bombings….
Israel admitting the facilities were destroyed is huge. They publicly removed their “trump card” to pull out to beg for foreign aid.
Trump took it away from them. Bravo.
There’s a lot of money to be made when the world is a mess, and the messier it gets.
The more money people can make.
Rush limbaugh was correct, follow the money when you want an answer to everything.
‘Hence, we begin to see why the intelligence apparatus immediately began trying to diminish the effectiveness of the strikes with leaks to CNN.’
Another purpose of leaks may be to further harden the secrecy of an authoritarian state.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-plans-limit-classified-info-shares-congress/story?id=123213286
One thing is clear: The Machiavellians always bundle multiple goals in their machinations leading us toward an apparent coming end state:
Totalitarian panopticon state as part of the coming multi-polar global order.
this is the most detailed description I’ve seen of what was being developed at each site and the post-bomb damage: https://archive.is/RWhRH