The talks between Ukraine and Russia on the neutral turf of Turkey turned into a geopolitical game of theatrics and narrative competition following the announcement that Vladimir Putin would not attend.
NATO Secretary Mark Rutte traveling to Turkey (a posturing participant) is yet another indication of the stupidity of it all. Ukraine is not a NATO country and the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, while it may be grounded in the origin of NATO encroachment, does not involve NATO unless you inject the ancillary issues into the equation. All of this extraneous party posturing shows the reason why Russian President Putin did not attend.
After a meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in Ankara, Zelenskyy chose to leave for home announcing he would send a delegation as the Russian group sat waiting for their peers to arrive. The back-and-forth between the two nations played out all day without any substantive negotiations or discussions. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Steve Witkoff and Keith Kellogg sat around in a holding pattern waiting to see if the two sides would eventually have representatives in place to talk to each other.
Making a statement from Air Force One, President Trump seemed to encapsulate the dynamic saying he did not think any progress was likely until he personally met with Russian President Vladimir Putin. “Look, nothing is gonna happen until Putin and I get together,” Trump told reporters on board Air Force One en route to the United Arab Emirates. “And he wasn’t gonna go … He wasn’t going if I wasn’t there. And I don’t believe anything will happen, whether you like it or not, until he and I get together. But we are gonna have to get it solved because too many people are dying.”
Later this afternoon Secretary of State Marco Rubio seemed to confirm that a Putin/Trump meeting was going to be needed to break the stalemate.
President Trump and Putin are smarter than all these third-rate thinkers.
These 2 Presidents can and will get a ceasefire & peace deal done.
Yeah, just as soon as the CIA allows Trump to do so.
Is that their price for the Qatari Reapers? (next article)
“As soon as the CIA allows Trump to”
“Allows” ????
In current year, what a dated and self revealing verb to choose.
Especially here.
Hopefully getting au courant and becoming more sentient happens asap. 😘
There’s no peace to be had at this time. Ukraine is a dead man walking but it still holds out hope that it can drag the US and NATO into the war and emerge victorious. Until the Ukraine is completely defeated and loses hope the Ukrainians will sabotage any peace and until We and NATO give up on controlling the Ukraine and troops in the Ukraine Russia will not agree. Neither the Ukraine nor US/NATO are there yet. So no peace or ceasefire.
President Trump very much wants a ceasefire and peace deal to end the mass killing.
Putin ? Not so much.
Putin knows there can be no negotiations with Zelensky who does not want the war to end. Z, the CIA and the euroweenies are driving this war train and it will never be stopped until Z is dead. Putin knows this. He will continue taking more of Ukraine until Russia controls every inch. Putin will then declare Z a war criminal. Have him arrested or assinated, and the war will end.
In the meantime President Trump should end all aid to Z, wash his hands of this conflict.
Just walk away USA and let NATO handle this BS.
Exactly what role does NATO have? Ukraine is not, and will never be, a NATO member. Full stop!
Except for Article 5 not applying and Ukraine not paying into NATO, Ukraine is for all intents and purposes a NATO member.
A rose by any other name . . .
But in this case it stinks!
🙄
Whatever happened to the US just saying “goodbye” to this process? If I recall, Rubio said we were on the verge of just quitting the game…and that was a least two weeks ago.
When/if the time comes to just say goodbye, then that is what President Trump will do. Until then, he won’t
And until then, I’ll enjoy listening to the pearl clutching, scolding, ditherfests on well.meaning but still clueless Anti Collective West opiners who are still using EUroZoned filters
so they actually believe that Vlad Man Rad and Super Duper Smart but Orange Man.Bad, or at least super duper dumb, egotistical, impulsive and easily duped.
Repurposing Kubrick’s famous terms for pride blindness; “Eyes Wide Shut”; at least one of their two eyes is still ” Wide Shut”.
And based on their comment sections so.are the eyes of many of their aptly named followers.
Extremely well thought out comment. I’ve noticed that too with the Duran. It’s been that way for a long time with Napolitano and mcgregor too.
You can acknowledge the obvious imbeciles within the collective west, and not hate Russia or Putin while acknowledging that they imperfect and have a tendency to stonewall and play semantic games too
…am liking the word “ditherfest” myself…
Seems as though you really don’t
like The Duran, MacGregor…..
😀 😀 🤣
Many people like them….🤷♀️💁♀️
and guess what… there are quite
a few more names you would
probably add to
the list…those that don’t follow the
“Approved “ narrative type…
You probably don’t even know about.
🤷♀️ 💁♀️ 😁 😁 😁
The alternative is the drivel that comes
from-cable or mainstream propaganda
media. 🤢Nope…not for me.
I think the guys at the Duran are terrific but they have a large blind spot in understanding Trumps style of diplomacy. Macgregor has been a disappointment because he could have easily ended up in the admin had he not started publicly bad mouthing Trump
Haha you have no clue what you’re talking about I’ve listened to Ritter, merschiemer, Schafer, Patrick Lancaster, berletic, etc. I don’t like Ukraine or Zelensky.
But nuance is key when talking about these things the fetishized “evil Russia” narrative is insane but so is the “perfectly diplomatic incorruptible Russia” narrative
A bot by any other name…. Is still a stupid lecture bot.
We are exhausting all opportunities first. Now that it is clear top-level negotiations are not going to happen any time soon we can be totally justified to put that idea to rest and move on.
What comes next, only time will tell. I suspect Putin will feel more than justified in stepping up the punishment of Ukraine after Z’s latest tantrum. The US should stand back and watch, saying (without actually saying) “We told you so.” The Euros should also stay out, hopefully they will. If not then more tariffs might help get their minds right.
“Later this afternoon Secretary of State Marco Rubio seemed to confirm that a Putin/Trump meeting was going to be needed to break the stalemate.”
That’s just the way things work in this world. Not meaning any disrespect to Rubio and his team, but when it comes to all matters concerning the boy Zelenskyy, nothing long lasting of any meaning can occur unless and until there are adults in the room.
Zelly had to find a way to upset the proceedings or stretch out the delay as long as possible, he’s a dead man once this thing winds up. He did it again, too!
In other words, the west is too much of a clown show for President Putin to attend.
And ditto PDJT.
For now.
Obviously, for both leaders, the UKEU Regime still poses an existential threat until btfo.
And Zman cannot be made to feel ‘ganged up on’…
President Trump in Moscow will be wonderful to watch.
I would like to see Putin visit Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
Me too.
One Global Derp State splodey head at a time.
PVVP with PDJT at Mar-A-Lago would be monumental.
Do all y’all realize what that would do to the traffic on I-95 or The Turnpike? Or Alligator Alley? …careful what you ask for!
Glorious! I bet everyone there would love it and feel they are experiencing a great historical event.
Me too! It seems like a wild dream, but President Trump is full of surprises!
I imagine the first meeting would be in a neutral country.
I’d also like to see us sign trade deals with Russia. The stronger Russia is and the stronger our alliance, the worse for the globullusts. The big problem is President Putin has to factor in the possibility of MAGA losing power in not that many years. But one thing to consider is the more ties we build, the harder it will be for globullusts to start more problems.
I’m thinking that neutral country could be Greenland. 😎
Common Ground, of a sorts.
Alaska would be a fine choice as well.
A nod to the ReOrient Express to Moscow that we need to build there.
Reykjavik.
Almost like a Reagan-Gorbachev v2.0
Think of the possibilities. The left wing media would go nuts taking a crash course in history while trying to extrapolate comparisons between the two, and we could fan the flames with rumors of Trump using the trip to expand his real estate ambitions beyond Greenland.
Highlighting Arctic cooperation and the ReOrient Express.
“President Trump in Moscow will be wonderful to watch.”
Better still would be video of him touring something as grand as Saint Basil’s Cathedral in Moscow.
Absolutely we would see serious respect paid to Russia’s Patrimony.
Moments to be cherished forever.
🙏 🙏
Yes!
👍 👍
Rude. No consideration for the time of those who travelled to this meeting as scheduled. And this isn’t the time of nobodies either.
Schiessefest Uber Alles!!
Why dovwe keep falling for this clown show.
A Putin Trump meeting always seemed like the natural outcome needed to get anywhere with this. Man to man away from all of the nonsense out of nato. And of hardliners from RU, UKR, and the US
Straight up.
I am not groking this. Someone explain please. Zekenskyy grabbed the headlines and turned signing a mineral treaty into a circus with Trump and Vance being made to look foolish. That should have ended US having anything to so with this sorry little s.o.b. And yet, here he is again claiming center stage while the US Sec of State sits helplessly by. Give up so long as this Napoleon Wannabe is pres of Ukraine. Let the other midgets (Macron and Starmer) play handmaiden to the Ukrainain nutcase.
Yeah z is a pos. Problem is the ukr Rada back him
It might be possible that since President Trump already knows what an idiot Z is, that President Trump let this play out so he could set up a real meeting between him and Putin.
A Middle East Rendezvous?
Arabian Nights with modern twists?
Hope so.
PDJT observed some time ago when asked about both the conflicts in the ME, particularly Gaza, and in Ukraine and how long each would take to solve them
that while the ME looked more complicated compared to Ukraine, in his opinion, he believed that the ME conflict would be resolved before the one in Ukraine.
I agreed then. I agree even more now.
The best part of the clip was when President Trump told the fruit from BBC to sit down as they were about to land after he told him he didn’t know or care about any delegations in Turkey after landing a $4Trillion dollar deal.
When this finally happens, where will it be signed?
Just getting opinions.
Why would Putin negotiate with Zellinsky. All that would do is get credibility to Zelinsky…he didn’t come because Trump did not come…
Even if Putin wanted to roll over for Trump like a good dog, the rest of the Russian leadership and the Russian people will never accept anything less than the goals of the SMO, denazification, and demilitarization. After all the lies and hostile actions by USA/NATO over the years they can’t now start whining about the KIAs,1.2 million Ukrainians, and over 100K Russians. This will be Trump’s war and his loss if he does not leave it. The USA has not won a war against 3rd world armies, let alone a peer with superior tech since WWII. Its generals are just not up to it.It doesn’t matter how much the DOD spends. Desperate times–desperate measures. https://www.rt.com/news/617627-us-russia-nato-talks/
Why do you speak in talking points? The “trumps war” thing is nonsense. And Russias goal of denazifying ukr is unachievable. It’s rooted into an entire subsection of their population. It’d be like Ukraine calling to “de-Stalinize” or de-Leninize
It’s not my phrase, it’s what every talking head uses when they want to stick some loss to a POTUS.Most of what they try and tag Trump with are lies,who can forget Russia,Russia,Russia. Viktor Orbán said plainly that the war is lost,it cannot be reversed.
Zelensky is absolutely insufferable. The more I see him operate in public, the more convinced I am that he has a Cluster B personality disorder. The inability to recognize or acknowledge that he is a man performing for a crowd that isn’t for him, on a stage in a theater he doesn’t own, in a language no one present even understands smacks of pathological narcissism and a grandiose opinion of himself. Couple those with a hyper-emotionality unbecoming in a man, pathological dishonesty, and a misplaced and deeply delusional faith in his ability to control events and outmaneuver his betters all point to a deeply disordered nature.
I’ve been waiting for Trump to pull the plug since day one and am confounded he has any patience left for the charade. Zelensky is wholly dependent on the largess of the US taxpayer. Our bullets, our bombs, our satellites, our intelligence and targeting packages, our electronic warfare, as well as our dollars paying government salaries and our engineers keeping the lights on, the water flowing, and the goods coming in. Someone needs to stop this nonsense.
“on a stage in a theater he doesn’t own”
Now iz ze time on Shlockets ven ve prance!
Forgot that skit! It was a hoot.
At the time I knew nothing about the silliness of Euroweenies.
“Schprokets”, Deiter! 😄
I feel sick. To think any self-respecting leader of a country would meet with someone as juvenile and unserious as this person is disgusting.
that’s why neither Vlad nor Don showed for talks
Sustainable Peace.
The Administration understands.
If Peace is the Prize; the Treaty cannot be a second Versailles.
F these Ukraine-NATO Crap Weasels
Zman has one card a joker with a clown face with Glowbullist strings attached!
I am thinking Marco Rubio will be our president some day he is awesome as Secretary of State position. 2028 maybe Vance/Rubio- who knows
The Apprentice: Empire Edition
President Trump is getting the best out the contenders.
I think that President Trump literally saved Marco Rubio’s life. Bringing him away from the evil that is CrapWeasel CONgress and into the fold of faithful, powerful forces for good.
His transformation into Statesman has been remarkable.
President Trump has the ability to stop this war immediately. Make sure not another dollar or another piece of military equipment goes to Ukraine. Take down Starlink. Put a travel ban on American citizens going to Ukraine. Declare any CIA agent or person hired by the CIA still working to support the war an enemy of the state and put a bounty on their head. You don’t have to do them all. Just a smattering of them.
I obviously don’t care whether Putin owns that country or not. The only reason it means anything to this country is the BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars that have flowed through and back into our congress. The pigs at the trough really get upset when there’s nothing there for ’em…
Sometimes I think the Russia/Ukraine issue is diversionary to distract from the grift that was made apparent by Hunter Bidens deals with Ukraine. We dont hear about that much any more.
I pray that every last dollar grifted from US taxpayers by elected and appointed officials is recovered, they go bankrupt fighting their legal cases, and rot in jail, unless they beg for execution
The City seems to have over-extended itself.
Would accomplish so much to give them a little nudge.
Topple the Crown
Free the World
Forgive my ignorance and probable over simplification of the circumstances, but I want to throw a question out to the Treeper community (or have someone point me to answers from Sundance or others).
As I understand, WEF/EU and the pro -war hawks/neoconservatives were instigating a war between Ukraine and Russia in order to make money and keep things de stabilized for their own gain. To achieve their goals, the U.S Military has to be involved, because that will allow them to make the most money. PDJT doesn’t want this and the American people don’t want it, but many Americans had been duped into wanting a war out of sympathy of the “Putin/big Russia Bad, attacking little Ukraine” narrative.
But, since PDJT achieves peace through economic stability and mutual relationships he doesn’t want the war. He and (hopefully to some degree) Putin would rather have economic stability and mutual economically beneficial relationship and can easily achieve the same for Ukraine.
This has been orchestrated by the Rouge CIA acting at the behest of the WEF/US neoconservatives/Uniparty – but against the public policies of PDJT and the American people. The CIA and EU/WEF hidden forces are still trying to provoke Russia into the script of looking bad and bullying poor Ukraine.
My questions:
The CIA is acting against our President and the current US public policy since PDJT was in office.
Why doesn’t PDJT and his admin call out the Rouge US actors that are manipulating things into war and causing deaths of tens of thousands?
Why doesn’t he just decree that any CIA or IC opratives working against the nation’s current policy will be removed and even executed.
What is keeping PDJT from doing this? Or from proclaiming to the world what our rougue operatives are doing, and heavily prosecute them?
Rubio…The purpose of NATO is to prevent Wars.
👏 👍 👏
Great statements by Rubio!👍👏
Will Rutte and EU get the message…
probably not!😖
That the whole negotiations and visit
by Zelensky turned into a circus 🎪
Clown show 🤡
No surprise.💁♀️🤷♀️
I dislike the elitist Eurotrash so much.
That SOB Rutte got kicked out as PM of Holland, and landed on his feet as Sec of NATO.
They keep playing musical chairs in the very many high paying positions they themselves created.
See the Polish PM and that Ursula harridan.
NATO Secretary Mark Rutte traveling to Turkey (a posturing participant) is yet another indication of the stupidity of it all.
This is quite consistent with NATO’s own strategy of sticking its nose in wherever it believes it has “an interest.”