From the outset of the Ukraine -vs- Russia conflict I have been saying this is “world war Reddit”. CTH awakens today to this photo, blasting across the geopolitical landscape.
I want you to look carefully at this picture; think about it and elevate yourself to understand exactly what this picture represents in the biggest framework of our ongoing discussion. The image origin: “Photographs released by the Ukrainian presidency showed the two leaders huddled in close discussion without aides in the ornate surroundings of St. Peter’s Basilica.”
This scene is purposefully staged.
This scene is staged by the control agents who control the Ukraine conflict, the intelligence community.
President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump attended the funeral of Pope Francis to pay their respects on the international stage.
Let me be clear. The people around President Trump do not and did not align with this photo-op, it’s genuinely in poor taste and bad form given the nature of the background event, the funeral for Pope Francis. However, fearless President Trump knows exactly what this represents just as businessman Donald Trump knows how the seating is arranged in high stakes business negotiations; the sun at the back of the person wanting to be in the power position.
Again, we should stay elevated and see the bigger picture here because it is incredibly important.
When it comes from CNN, it’s coming from the PR firm of the State Dept., and who controls the State Dept, the CIA.
CNN: How the pope’s funeral format allowed for Trump-Zelensky talk
The meeting occurred just outside the Baptistry Chapel, which is inside St. Peter’s Basilica near its entrance, and the talk hadn’t been telegraphed in advance.
Ahead of the president’s brief visit to Rome, officials had downplayed the prospect he would meet with Zelensky or any other world leaders, pointing to the truncated time frame for the trip and its solemn purpose of memorializing the late pope.
Trump had originally selected Saudi Arabia for his first stop abroad of his new term and will visit there next month. But when Francis died those plans changed, and instead Trump made his first foreign stop in Europe, a continent he’s railed against frequently.
The seating chart and crush of fellow leaders made brief interactions possible, including with leaders Trump had seemingly been avoiding since taking office. He engaged briefly with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, with whom he hadn’t spoken at all since returning to office amid trade and defense disputes with the European Union. [SOURCE]
President Trump, a man of respectful honor, indeed would expect to engage in polite and quiet conversation with Zelenskyy, Macron, Starmer et al, at the funeral. Yes, he would quietly have a conversation in a private room with the principals to quickly discuss political affairs. That’s his style. That’s the way he operates, retaining focus and respect toward the purpose of the gathering, holding quick conversation in private and retaining emphasis on the purpose.
THIS IS NOT THAT.
This is a stage set for the optics of a geopolitical conflict that involves Ukraine and Russia, and this stage is set up by the same controlling agents who have been in control of the events since the outset. This stage is why CTH instinctively knew the conflict was World War Reddit.
What are we seeing?
The intelligence communities’ control western government. The government does not control the intelligence communities. This reality is the core of the great awakening that reconciles every facet of the conflict present and visible.
When things do not make sense; when things are unnatural and fraught with irreconcilable datapoints stemming from traditional perspectives that no longer align with what is visible; that’s because the intelligence apparatus is in control of it. Every example you can cite returns to this basic truth.
All of the western government systems, the “new democracy” as it is called, stem from a radically different construct. The intelligence services control the government; the government does not control the intelligence services.
The conflict in Ukraine exists because western intelligence services are controlling it. The reality is this “war” is not the Russian government -vs- the governments of various western nations in support of Ukraine. The true conflict is the western intelligence community vs the Russian government.
Vladimir Putin does not hate Americans. The Russian President hates the CIA.
When envoy Steve Witkoff is representing President Trump in his discussions with Vladimir Putin, Witkoff and Trump represent the government. However, the government is not the real control agent and Putin together with Trump/Witkoff know this.
Vladimir Putin and Donald J Trump are mutually aligned entities in a fight against western intelligence services. That’s the core understanding that must be at the forefront of any review or intellectually honest analysis of what is taking place.
The vulnerability within the position of the Western Intel Services, is that they must hide this reality. The IC must retain the illusion that government is in control of geopolitical events, because if that control mask is dropped everything changes. And I do mean EVERYTHING.
Everything that was irreconcilable suddenly starts to make sense when you accept that government is not in control, the government does not have the power. The intelligence services control government and the intel agencies are currently the source of geopolitical power. The politicians are the illusion of representative democracy that must be retained.
That’s what this image should represent to everyone!
….”Once you see the strings on the marionettes you can never return to that moment in the performance when you did not see them.”….
♦ If the United States President pulls all USA support away from Ukraine and instructs all elements of the USA government to withdraw support for the conflict, and yet the conflict continues with ongoing CIA operations, then what does that say about who really is in control?
Can you see the stakes at play for the CIA?
♦ When Marco Rubio says, repeatedly now, that “this is not our war” and “we didn’t start this war,” having previously asserted, “It’s been very clear from the beginning that President Trump views this as a protracted, stalemated conflict,” Rubio said. “And frankly, it’s a proxy war between nuclear powers, the United States helping Ukraine, and Russia,” is the former Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee being honest now, or is Secretary of State Rubio attempting to clean up the inconvenient truth he said originally?
Can you see the stakes for the CIA?
I digress…
There are corporations and financial systems that intersect with the politicians; and those politicians are controlled by the Intelligence Community.
That is the very essential baseline for The Great Awakening!!
[ps. If you really wanted to join me in the rabbit hole; and knowing how important this moment is to the control agents; meaning how much they needed to get back control after Trump threatened to walk away from the conflict; then please accept I am 50/50 on how Pope Francis died. Was it really a natural death or was it the result of the IC needing a geopolitical event -like a funeral- to bring all of the principal actors together.]
President Trump on Saturday, following his meeting in Rome with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, issued a scathing response to far-left New York Times author Peter Liddle, who wrote a piece attacking Trump and inferring that he’s shilling for Putin.
Trump also threatened Russian President Vladimir Putin with sanctions over a recent missile strike, which he has already rebuked Putin for. The President reiterated his criticisms, stating, “There was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas, cities and towns, over the last few days. It makes me think that maybe he doesn’t want to stop the war, he’s just tapping me along, and has to be dealt with differently, through ‘Banking’ or ‘Secondary Sanctions?’”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/president-trump-speaks-following-meeting-zelensky-slams-new/
Secondary sanctions= China and India/ BRICS and ironically the EU who buys indirectly energy from Russia while financing the war on both sides.
A tale as old as time.
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Macron pops in on the photo op. So clearly a setup by Zelinsky and the EU. If Zelinsky adores Macron so much, then leave us alone and go rob his piggy bank.
Are we not tired of this stupid charade?
Walk away, they are going to drain this country dry while setting President Trump up for the fall. Marco Rubio, please take note.
Just my opinion and everyone has one.
I’m thinking Macron and Zelenskyy need to “get a room,” as we used to say.
Brilliant, MoPar, brilliant.
😂
Hello Sundance, thank you for the edit. It is so much nicer to have the actual visual X-post. ❤️
In fact, they are all discussing where to go for post-funeral brunch as they have to compete with 1,000,000 Romans, not just the famished 200,000 in the Piazza del San Pietro, but those who lined the funeral procession to Santa Maria Maggiore, with getting a table on a Spring blue-sky Saturday. Trump is telling Zelinski that they should ride together in his security convoy as if they drive in their own separate convoy, they will get cut off in traffic and arrive too late to get parking and the table of 8 in the back of Coromandel in Piazza Navona or Marigold by the ancient pyramid. They are also trying to come up with a uniform excuse why the are ditching Biden and his horrid wife who are walking over like nosy clods.
It makes more sense that the Pope was murdered. I was thinking along those lines because I suspect that the IC want a controlled ‘election’ in order to insert another radical, apostate Pope. His death with a bruise on his face was a sign that they are ready to commence the plan to install the next heretic. The Pope has strong influence, if not direct control, of over a billion Catholics. The IC cannot pass an opportunity to capture that seat of power.
As with any audacious, brilliant, evil plan from the IC, there multiple solid points for it and you just revealed a very, very good point.
If I was Trump, I would pull all money and support immediately with maybe some noise about providing money down the road to Ukraine in six months depending on the state of the peace talks.
Prayers up for the health and safety of Trump, his staff and his family.
Left Eye Club?
🤔
Bruise on chin on right-side?
The wiki Horus text sounds dubious. ‘Facial triangulation’?
For eight years I saw the signs that Commie Francis was installed and Obama and the IC had something to do with Benedict stepping down.
Commie Francis was not a commie but a fascist who collaborated with the Videla fascist junta who ruled Argentina with an iron and murderous fist from 1973-1986. Had of course massive numbers, tens of thousands, of people tortured and killed a.o. thrown from helicopters into the River Plata or the ocean.
There are documents and photos, mulitiple even, of Francis Bergoglio , the late pseudo pope, installed by the globalist cabal some call the ‘elite’, walking and talking and smiling with Videla the junta leader. He was their man. He was the head of a Jesuit society and has betrayed priests who wanted social justice (a very Godly thing) for the poor. Bergoglio was against that even though his PR went to say he went to visit the poor in the slums without a camera. Lies. He was against Liberation Theology of helping the poor. Those priests were tortured and killed, some of them. It even shows a document written by the junta that Bergoglio handed those priests to them. A pope? Nope!
You did get one thing correct.
“The pope has direct control of a billion catholics.”
That’s the problem.
God should be the one that has control.
No. He doesn’t “have control” over Catholics. That is a common myth.
Exactly….I am Catholic and he does NOT control me…
I agree wholeheartedly. He doesn’t have control over Catholics, Unfortunately what he does control is a lot of our contributions $
Perhaps the word influence instead of control.
The Catholic Church is different from the Orthodox, Lutheran and Anglican churches in that it distingushes state power from religious authority. The trope that Catholics are bossed politically by the Pope seems to come mainly from politicians who resent that there is any contravening authority to theirs. It is not the truth. “Politics is the vocation of the laity.” So the Church says for example to welcome strangers, but if a churchman goes beyond that to say what the law should be on this subject, that is not their territory and actual Catholics know that.
The Pope probably died of natural causes. His health has been horrible for months.
Just so you know, the Pope doesn’t really “have control” over Catholics. He is listened to when he speaks on matters of faith and morals (and sometimes debated), often ignored when he steps outside that realm, considered infallible only when he speaks ex cathedra, which this Pope never did.
he considers himself god on earth, he(in his tangled mind) pulls Christ down from his throne and sacrifices him at every communion, he is the man of sin.
NO! You are so confused…
Uh…. no.
Just like every Protestant who says that the “priests won’t allow us to read the Bible or study it”……… quite the opposite. The Mass celebrates the mysteries of and commemorates Christ’s ultimate sacrifice and Resurrection.
I am a Protestant but do not know any priests in my church…
Try reading Revelation 1:6.
priests? Yes!
Popes? No.
That’s because the protestant churches don’t have priests. They are ministers only.
I grew up catholic….they did every thing in latin in services till the mid 60’s. Some teaching in St.Joe’s school,but the bible was just decoration in our homes
You are incredibly misleading and have no knowledge of what you are talking about.
Any time a religion is based on the worship of a woman, you can be sure that there will be lots of homosexuality and other types of sexual perversion and abuse. Mary would soundly rebuke the cult of Roman Catholicism if she were here today. She would have nothing to do with them.
Supposedly a sign that a person was actually a saint is that after they die their body does not show signs of decomposition. Saints are incorruptible even after death. I’m not sure what that bruise really was, but clearly it ain’t that.
If he had a hemorrhagic stroke (as I believe he was on anticoagulants), the insult to the brain could have caused a seizure and he could have smacked his head on his bedrail. Also, if got steroids for his lungs, the face will get puffy (Cushingoid) and skin will thin out and become more prone to atraumatic bruising…along with the anticoagulant. A lot of natural reasons to get bruising. He was quite ill.
Fun Fact: The hearts of 22 Popes are stored in reliquary urns in the church of Santi Vincenzo and Anastasio on the square opposite the Trevi Fountain. (It contains the hearts from Pope Sixtus V(the Pope who ordered the construction of the Sistine Chapel) to Leo XIII (a pretty good pope). That church was turned over to Bulgarian Orthodox church by St. JP-II.
Keep the hearts…Sick. Baal anyone?
Stellar reporting, Sundance. Stellar.
The French weasel was sent away by Trump in the video being shown. Best part. The Don wasn’t having .
Interesting, Marc
Yes, it seems there was an arrangement with three chairs at the outset. And it ended with only two, with DJT and Z …
But who ‘controlled’ that image, ie the video showing us how Macron was snubbed? What was the purpose of showing us this?
Again, to deflect from who the (real) principals are?
Why would a sensitive private conversation take place in a large open space such as this?
There was no more intimate space available? Who designated the location for the exchange?
Who placed the two chairs in middle of the area?
It seems very strange from every angle of deciphering intent.
Is the IC so inept that they would orchestrate a clumsy meeting at a funeral of a world religious leader?
Don’t official conversations require transcriptions, either written or recorded to become part of a record of what transpired?
What if something meaningful or new was said by either party?
My guess is it was a stare down and nothing of value was put forth.
As Sundance noted, PDJT rolls this way, seemingly impromptu private chats on the sidelines.
Usually out of sight.
Never recorded.
Do you consider this a private chat? They couldn’t have found a more exposed and conspicuous setting.
Wide open for all to witness but we will never know what, if anything was said.
It doesn’t seem in character for private negotiations to me but what do I know?
But remember the “phone call” they tried to impeach him over which happened
to be wiht Z.. maybe he figure better out where people can hear than some classified
transcript (it would be if they didn;t the general public to see it) or he figures there can be no transcript at all this way.. no interpreters either so no notes…
Not knowing, and likely never knowing, what was said makes it private enough.
Perhaps it was meant to be seen, but not heard.
It’s odd!
The timing, after the funeral of an important religious figure, as well as the location in the center of a wide open monumental space.
Given the large echoey location with hard to camouflage and site directional mics probably a pretty good place rather than a bugged room.
Under the US Capital rotunda , if you stand in a certain location, you can wisper very quitely and be heard a great distance awaybeing located in a specific location.
Not just odd, I’d say obvious.
Never recorded. Is that grounds for impeachment?
Let’s ask some fake Americans what they think.
There were a lot of people there like with most conversations. There’s video. WH too. This is obviously a photo op to pressure Putin not just by Zelensky but also by President Trump cause Putin ain’t stopping..cause he’s “winning”
“This is OBVIOUSLY a photo op to pressure Putin”
set up “by Zelensky”….and “by President Trump”.
Rohrshach mpressions based on pics are subjective self revelations. So are any guesses one makes that are based on these subjective impressions.
In other words, what’s obvious to thee =/= what’s obvious to others, especially in this case since OVIOUSLY, neither Putin nor PDJT could ever be pressured by a photo op stunt.
Looks like just a photo op. That’s how I would have perceived it.
Where’s the part which shows the 3rd chair removed and President Trump and Zelenskyy getting seated? Could that be the frames in which Macron is shooed away and not allowed in the discussion? President Trump said before he left the White House grounds that he wanted this to be a respectful funeral service and not political meeting.
Like Sundance the bruising on Pope Francis’ head seems suspicious to me. He was well attended and surely the attendants would have prevented a fall leaving a bruise so bad that the embalmer could not cover up.
No hidden microphones?
This book by Mike McCormick tells it all. According to him, Obama, Biden and the CIA got Pope Benedict to resign and install Pope Francis, who was more to the globalist liking. Mike McCormick was a stenographer at the White House for many years and traveled with Biden. He saw a lot. Jerome Corsi is also on this.
I suspect Trump has a keen sense of who’s an ally, and who wants something from him. I’m not sure a lot of our presidents have known the difference between the two, or did know, and made sure they got their cut from the latter.
Considering his previous associations: Preibus, Sessions, the Walrus, Bill Barr, Mike Pence just to name a few, not so sure of Trump’s “keen sense of who’s an ally”.
Macron was a bust, Hillary may as well have showed up.
All of this- Tempest in a teapot.
I agree with Sundance… the IC needed an event
Yes it WAS a ruse – cnn confirms the set-up – Babylon Bee leaked
CNN: Behind Closed Doors, Pope Is Still Focused, Sharp, And Energetic { https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-reports-behind-closed-doors-pope-is-focused-sharp-and-energetic }
which the mouthpiece also said about bribem… so we know it’s True – because they would never harm anyone OR lie to us/US about *anything*.
No one can deny it makes sense, coming from them.
When I think of the IC, I don’t just think of the CIA, it is also MI6 and others.
Who needs this war more than we do? The Brits and the EU.
Why? Because they’re going broke, and their economies are in shambles.
I believe Starmer, and the EU along with MI6 are equally responsible for this meeting. Watch your back President Trump.
The President could have declined the offer saying it was neither the time or place.
Which just raises more questions to why did he.
Because the euro derp staters photo op stunt advances PDJTs plans and btfo the schemers.
Hoist by their own petard.
Again.
Agree – but what is btfo?
The shadows of the chairs and the columns on the top left do not indicate the sun is at the back of Zelensky. Obviously a set-up, but I don’t think the people who set this up are playing 3D chess like Trump is.
I told my sister after the Pope (recovered), “That ain’t the Pope”! Certainly looked like a body double to me. Glad Sundance has room for more rabbits! 😉
“All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream” Poe
Nearly all the paradigms I once believed in governed our lives have proven to be false!
One of those paradigms was that America was ruled by a two-party political system, wherein the Democrat party represents its liberal constituents, the Republican party represents its conservative constituents and compromise is reached in the halls of Congress.
The real paradigm is entirely different, whereas the entire Democrat party and much of the Republican party pretend to represent their constituents but in actuality represent the interests of globalist elites, who reward them handsomely for their obedience and destroy them when they step out of line.
The Great Awakening Sundance speaks of in this excellent piece stands in stark contrast to The Great Reset the oligarchs were trying to foist on us a few years ago. The former throws sunlight on the world as it is, without pretense, while the latter tries to keep us in the dark.
MAGA was a great awakening here at home and we can only hope Europe experiences a similar enlightenment, but the CIA will do all in its power to keep that from happening.
We are in an age infected with lies where nothing is as it seems, but one of the few things we can believe in is that sunlight is the great disinfectant!
Paradigms die hard.
Rarely without consequence.
“CIA” == Spy Guys serving the EURO Old World Order
The OWO rebranded as the New World Order, NWO, and then, aftetr DJT was Inaugurated, they began calling themselves the Liberal World Order,
Coincidentally, or not, when mirrored, LWO == OWL
which is one of the death cultists favorite symbols ie “dog whistles”.
For what its worth, they’ve dropped the term LWO/OWL and now refer to themselves as the Liberal International Order or LIO.
Reactions to LIO == LOL.
Absolutely – traitor all his life!
It’s Puppets All The Way Down!
Puppet Masters are employed to put on puppet shows.
When Puppet Masters are believed to be The Employers it tends to distort ones vision and analysis.
As intended.
Magician Deceivers Tricks rely on distractions. “Look over THERE. Don’t bother looking hete. There’s nothing to see over here”.
Or as the Bagha Vad Ghita (sp?) puts it, ” the name that can be named is not the real name”.
With regard to the 12 dead civilians killed by missile a few days ago in Kiev that President Trump was so upset about, the Ukrainians have claimed that they found over 110 US components at the site. Seemingly without realising that the only missile meeting that specification is a US air defence Patriot missile falling back to ground having missed a target that they had fired themselves. Blue on blue has been common from the start, it seems Russians seldom hit civilians.
Never were the brightest!
“President Trump was so upset about”.
Its amazing to me how many people now casually assign emotions to President Trumps written words; especially since these emotion projections are assumed to be true…..
both by the projection creator and by readers of what was created.
OMG. Trumps Ranting! Trumps Raging! Again.
Conservative politics being discussed over Leftist Pope Francis’s dead body.
Conservative issues are better discussed over leftists dead bodies.
“Conservative”.
Still trapped by “Inside the box” thots?
Eurozoner, perchance
Radicalized Son of Biden’s CIA Deputy Director Reportedly Killed Fighting for Russia in Ukraine https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/radicalized-son-bidens-cia-deputy-director-reportedly-killed/
My first thought was that it was in poor taste, this is the Pope’s funeral, this should be entirely about the Pope’s funeral.
I’m happy Sundance said it, and I’m surprised that Donald Trump went along with this because he certainly knows what proper manners are all about.
Next: what I want to know is why Trump doesn’t just out all that Sundance is explaining.
Just level with us..
And if Trump can’t, why not Elon, JD Vance or even RFK Jr or Tulsi, anyone.
The Truth Shall Set Us Free
I firmly believe that we could deal with the problem- if only the masses were all made aware.
Nothing like this evil can continue with the sanitizing light on full blast aimed at these intelligence agencies.
We need to remember that these agencies are people, and they are no more human than the rest of us are.
It all needs to become exposed and common knowledge.
It’s being exposed
Rollouts are strategic like that
Enlightenment comes in increments, or it overwhelms the organism.
I’ve come to accept your postulate as I had hoped for more dramatic actions on vaccines, CDC, FDA, FBI, CIA and others by January 30, 2025. Instead PDJT deliberately turns up the spotlights on the evildoers. When will the VAXXers realize their mistakes? About the same time 80% of the populace recognize the evil of the FBI? Or judges?
Meetings at weddings are never just about the wedding. Meetings at funerals are never just about the funeral. State dinners are not about the food. “Chance meetings” don’t often happen strictly by chance.
In politics nothing happens by accident or without some agenda. Nothing.
I have been saying for eight years now that the IC and Obama had something to do with Pope Benedict stepping down. Now we are likely to get another communist Pope.
Indeed, seeing the world for what it is and the reality of the forces at work in the hearts of men. Maranatha
Well it looks like the Vatican II version of confession wherein you would sit face to face with the priest. Thankfully, most churches in my diocese have returned to the confessional with the privacy screen between the priest and the penitent.
I do not follow…why, then, did Trump agree to the photo op? Input appreciated.
The picture was put out by Team Z-Bag.
Z-Bag’s people took it, not PDJT’s, hence, it was not a photo-op, it was an ambush of a private chat.
Thank you.
The photo makes Trump look weak
Your comments make you look dumb
Sundance, several things:
1) No pope has been interned in that basilica for 350 years…weird
2) That corpse looked pretty weird, too
3) Charles and Camilla going there shortly after the king’s most recent hospitalization…weird
4) Vance meeting with pontiff who’s dead the next day UBER WEIRD
5) Zelensky begging Trump to visit Ukraine sounds like CIA problem is being addresse
6) Putin bombing Ukraine while Trump’s pressing to “stop the killing” sounds like everyone’s CIA problem is actually being addressed
7) Attacks on Hegseth escalating
8) Virginia Roberts kills herself?
World War Reddit – a staged show to control the masses. The IC is Intelligent Community is not just the CIA only. From the article:
“The conflict in Ukraine exists because western intelligence services are controlling it. The reality is this “war” is not the Russian government -vs- the governments of various western nations in support of Ukraine. The true conflict is the western intelligence community vs the Russian government.”
Western Intelligence Services or Western Intelligence Community or Intelligent Community is all the same thing. It is made up of Western Nations intel services, think Five Eyes and the like, all working to retain power by controlling the masses i.e. the citizens of their nations. From an previous Sundance article about World War Reddit:
“In yet another exhibition of the strangest war ever, Ukraine President Zelensky flies to Japan to meet G7 leaders and help retain
“public support”
for the NATO vs Russia proxy war and regional conflict. The globalist leaders are going to do what they want, regardless of the opinions of the citizens they claim to represent.
There is a potential for World War III. It is also entirely possible the WWIII fighting will not be between nation states. A more likely WWIII will be a
“physical battle between the autocratic rulers of western nation states and the citizens”
who have had enough of their manipulative nonsense.”
So, Sundance laid out the reason for their, the IC’s, staged photograph. The IC works behind the scene, even though out in the open, with subterfuge or sleight of hand always cloaked of real identity. It may not be the head of the agency, they may only be used pawns for the public and may not even know the details of the IC workings. The IC is embedded in all the Western Intel agencies in places the public can not see them, but they are out in the open of the agencies. just not out in the open to the public. But the Head of some Agencies are part of the embed and are active in the workings against the citizens.
President Trump does not and can not control ALL the Western Intel agencies, he might be able to gain control of the U.S. intel but not the rest. Vladimir Putin does not and can not control ALL the Western Intel agencies, there is no chance he might be able to gain control of any or one of them. This is why in this struggle Sundance points out in the article:
“Vladimir Putin and Donald J Trump are mutually aligned entities in a fight against western intelligence services. That’s the core understanding that must be at the forefront of any review or intellectually honest analysis of what is taking place.”
To “drain the swamp” the swamp must be exposed and since they are hidden so that no one person or any small group of persons getting exposed would bring down the whole charade, President Trump must bring them into the sunlight for exposure. And to do this, he must sometimes play their games so they will let there alarm down and slip some. President Trump can not just pull the CIA from Ukraine because the Cia officially is not involved. And if Trump does manage to pull the CIA then the other western agencies are there and the CIA still works behind the scenes just not as openly as before. The only way President Trump can pull the CIA out of Ukraine is to expose that they are in Ukraine beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hence, from the article:
“The vulnerability within the position of the Western Intel Services, is that they must hide this reality. The IC must retain the illusion that government is in control of geopolitical events, because if that control mask is dropped everything changes. And I do mean EVERYTHING.
Everything that was irreconcilable suddenly starts to make sense when you accept that government is not in control, the government does not have the power. The intelligence services control government and the intel agencies are currently the source of geopolitical power. The politicians are the illusion of representative democracy that must be retained.”
and therefore President Trump’s willingness to withdraw from Ukraine would fully expose the CIA thereby breaking the CIA’s control by exposing them to the masses or U.S. citizens. Remember, those in control fear the people because there are more citizens than them in control. If the people rise up, they are in trouble. The master must control the pet to keep it from rising up against him. He might be able to by force but that is the hardest and most costly way. He might be able by influence but influence can only last so long. The only way is to do it by confusion, making the pet think everything is AOK or that the pet is in control. So in this staged World War Reddit, the IC just threw a bone to the pet, NOT the steak, just the bone as an attempt to placate the ones still in the confusion stage. This does not work with the unconfused but the ICs are afraid of the unconfused helping the confused become unconfused, the red pill moment. President Trump needs us to help as He is doing his part to reveal the truth. President Trump working with our help towards this goal is very dangerous to the IC as pointed out in the article:
“If the United States President pulls all USA support away from Ukraine and instructs all elements of the USA government to withdraw support for the conflict, and yet the conflict continues with ongoing CIA operations, then what does that say about who really is in control?
Can you see the stakes at play for the CIA?”
therefore Sundance’s reference:
“… and knowing how important this moment is to the control agents; meaning how much they needed to get back control after Trump threatened to walk away from the conflict…”
we see the IC presenting optically a “we are winning” moment of Trump in the power position to Little Z. Trump is in control. But remember that this is their photo op not Trump’s, from the article:
“The image origin: “Photographs released by the Ukrainian presidency…” and “ the talk hadn’t been telegraphed” and “THIS IS NOT THAT.
This is a stage set for the optics of a geopolitical conflict that involves Ukraine and Russia, and this stage is set up by the same controlling agents who have been in control of the events since the outset. This stage is why CTH instinctively knew the conflict was World War Reddit.”
Remember, IC is the world of spy craft, everything does not appear as it does in reality. Sometimes the spy loses a battle seemingly to disarm those they are fighting against. That is what this “photo op” is, a psy-op that President Trump went along with for right now because he can use this down the road in the fight to expose.
These are my frail thoughts anyway. I just leave with, “God, you know ALL, so I’ll just trust in you.”
I’ve taken issue with some of President Trumps behavior at funerals. Him laughing and yucking it up at Jimmy Carters w Obama was a real turn off for me. Very disrespectful and inappropriate. This meeting w Zelensky strikes me the same way. This is a funeral Meant to honor the person that is dead. They hijacked it. There shouldn’t have been a political meeting here. Bad form
Seeking peace at the repose of a representative of the Prince of Peace is ungood?
Spin harder.
No. You spin harder
It was not Trump doing selfies at the dead popes wake, it was DEMentiaJoe
No matter the social misstep (and Trump has had his share, i.e., “I am looking forward to attending the Pope’s funeral”) the cult of Trump manages to find the bright side. The fact that the meeting took place is not the issue. The issue is the timing, the photo opt, etc. There are hundreds of places in and around Rome that this meeting could have convened. Honestly, I am disappointed that the Catholic Church would have allowed this to happen within hours of the funeral and inside St. Peter’s. Every day we find that the administration is rolling back protocols like cancelling visas for certain foreign students attending American universities only to find two days later they have changed their minds. I feel like I am watching the magicians of this administration at work rather than real progress.
So essentially we are doomed?
Every day and twice on Sunday, dontchaknow?
Nevertheless, the noticing shall continue!
“When things do not make sense;
when things are unnatural and fraught with irreconcilable datapoints stemming from traditional perspectives that no longer align with what is visible;
that’s because the intelligence apparatus is in control of it.
Every example you can cite returns to this basic truth.”
Here’s an informative example:
Just why do so many segments of society, from the medical doctors in their professional associations, to educators, to so many judges, to the media,
support the money-wasting insanity that is “transgenderism”?
Does anyone think the IC controls all those segments of society?
That should give people an idea of what subversive interest group is really in control.
It’s not the IC.
Ever hear of MKUltra?
I had been thinking that Pope Francis died some days or weeks ago (when he went on the ventilator?), but the announcement was held back purposefully until the time was right.
In the days after he left the hospital, he was only seen from a distance slowly waving his hand, not speaking.
They could have had a body double for that.
He had a personal audience with JD Vance the day before his death.
Photos have been circulated.
One of the final audiences granted being to Vance a day before he died recalled the bizarre situation of Elizabeth II dying 2 days after Liz Truss had an audience to become prime minister. I suspect something’s afoot but wouldn’t begin to guess what – there was something uneasy in the air years ago when I lived in that city, they had a “Floyd” type riot while there merely over W being in town with the bused-in professional protest crowd.
It should be noted which image Trump is sitting in front of, not visible from this angle – this is by the baptistery and the image is of the baptism of Jesus. There are plenty of those gold circles on the floor in the basilica and all over Rome given the common use of geometric patterns in the floor in the old mosaic style. This is the only place in the church where Trump would both be in front of an image representing a “reveal” of something hidden and by the place of rebirth.
I still believe the controlling agents are fighting a losing battle and will be forced to withdraw to protect themselves.
‘This scene is purposefully staged.’
You mean, like the one on February 28 that was livestreamed?
All theater.
Okay. So President Trump now owns the CIA. He can now tear it down and rebuild it. Why isn’t he doing it?
Trump does NOT own the CIA. They went rogue a long time ago, possibly during Vietnam. They are independently funded through drug sales and human trafficking.
I wish he would decide that their HQ needs an important total renovation and then just scatters the employees all over vacant offices across DC.
We thought it was hilarious ho Trump had the THIRD chair removed and only TWO chairs for him and Z.
It looked like Z wanted Macron with him in this meeting with Trump.
We don’t believe Z wants peace or is serious and just stringing Trump along.
Elsewhere, a guy slowed the video down. Z has CONTEMPT for Trump.
It might be time to walk away, no more money, intelligence or weaponry, until Z is serious.
Z doesn’t need the UK or France to make decisions about HIS country.
That’s the rules.
Remove a chair when the music stops.
Trump criticizes Putin after meeting with Zelensky, ‘Maybe he doesn’t want to stop the war’…
https://www.aol.com/trump-zelensky-hold-productive-talks-092430578.html
Maybe our IC doesn’t want the war to stop. Where is Ratcliffe on this situation?
And the 50:50 Pope death game is BS; nothing will change next week because of his passing.
Trust Ratcliffe .
That last “rabbit hole” is rather dark.
Second picture.
POTUS is much taller than those runts but it is staged, foreshortened. to look the opposite.
That picture of Macron, Starm-trooper, and Piano Man Z-man is doctored. Z-man is a shorty even in heels. Macron is not tall. Trump is taller than all three of those yet smaller in the figure.
That picture of Macron, Starm-trooper, and Piano Man Z-man is doctored. Z-man is a shorty even in heels. Macron is not tall. Trump is taller than all three of those yet smaller in the figure.
Per Sundance, “There are corporations and financial systems that intersect with the politicians, and those politicians are controlled by the Intelligence Community.”
Indeed
It’s bigger than that IMO. There are too many elected officials, appointed officials, and senior-level government employees at all levels of government with their hands in the till, directly or indirectly. These people can be Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives, and/or moderates.
What too many of them have in common is graft and grifting to benefit themselves.
Do we know if the photo of Trump sitting with attack hamster Piano Man Zelensky ever happened? Or is it a photo-shopped deep fake?
This article is insulting to President Trump IMHO! I think HE’S smarter than you!!!!
CLOSE THE CIA. RELEASE THE ARMY TO ARREST THE CIA OFFICERS AND JAIL THEM IN THE DESERT
Does not President Trump have the power to FIRE any CIA employee? What is stopping him from firing the people wh did this? Or is Trump OK with it?
The Pam Bondi Channel™ is still running the meeting tape. I so much enjoy seeing “Chair Man” placing 3 chairs and then the 3rd chair vanishes as Pres. Trump clarifies to Macron that he’s not part of this little tete a tete, as clearly as Macron was assuming that he was going to be.
The “IC” is composed of real people, with real faces and real (maybe) names.
Who are they? What are their names?
This can’t be unknown. Give us some.
OK, let’s assume that things are really the way you say that they are. That brings up a very good question-exactly WHO is making the decisions for the intelligence agencies? Is it a group and they all vote on issues like “war or no war” “kill the pope or not?” Or is it one man/woman who decides? If it is one person then obviously he/she is more powerful than the president. On the other hand even though it is very difficult to get a group of people to agree on anything, they usually are not conflicted when it comes to spending money we don’t have or killing people they don’t like or that get in their way in the lust for power. Just how does it all come together? Should you name names or is ignorance the best policy because then those in charge (congress and/or crime fighting agencies) would have to do something about it? It’s so easy to hide behind the banner “intelligence community.” No doubt that there are at least two or three USA governments and the one that supposedly represents the people is not the most powerful.
Unfortunately, this view is not only too simplistic, but also too optimistic.
Consider: the Intelligence Community or any other hypothetical Master Puppeteer does not necessarily lead to the raise of anarcho-tyranny. After all, they probably would be better off with less dysfunctional assets under their control! Anarcho-tyranny, however, does necessarily lead to the raise of Intelligence Community: obviously, when a single hand actually holds their leashes, different agencies would not be allowed to grow unauthorized connections. I mean, one doesn’t need to be Stalin to understand that it’s a bad idea even without seeing the fully grown monstrosity. But when there is no central power capable of coordinating them and resolving their conflicts, they have to create their own mechanisms simply out of self-preservation.
Thus, the natural order of decay is: (gradual) reduction of the republic’s legitimate powers to a puppet show created anarcho-tyranny, which created the “intelligence community”. Not the other way around.
Fish rots from the head down, and even Intelligence Community could not un-rot the whole thing if it tried. So it still exists in the conditions of anarcho-tyranny that created it.
Generally, all those theories of “there’s but one Master Puppeteer who is Behind It All” are results of conditioning to look out for some sort of “King” or “Pope” figure as a hostile power. Looking for a single monolithic organization is merely a diluted version. Which is why this process ignores the obvious consideration that even under pressure a truly monolithic organizations are rare.