President Trump Chief Spokesperson Liz Harrington appears on the Steve Bannon War Room to discuss the status of the America First movement. {Direct Rumble Link}
As Harrington accurately notes, the people who build stuff, create stuff, innovate and bring physical stuff into reality, these are the people within the MAGA movement. The esoteric pontificating thinkers, the politicians, those only contribute opinion to the system of creation, are not connected to MAGA or worthy of consideration. WATCH:
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Bannon also gave a big picture overview below.
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Speaking of growing !!!! Check out the new GOP chair in Michigan. Kristina Karamo She just might be another Kari Lake
https://100percentfedup.com/she-will-leave-you-speechless-michigans-new-gop-chair-kristina-karamo-gives-brilliant-history-lesson-to-leftist-media-activists-on-gun-control-in-epic-press-conference-video/
Please check her out and let CTR know what your take is on her.
Very good. She ran a great campaign last year as well. Media did their job killing her voice. Its just made her stronger.
When I see Rs denigrating Karamo, I say, she sounded darn good on the campaign trail when she ran for SOS; and so far, she sounds darn good as MIGOP chair.
Just watched Kristina for the first time. WOW! It’s work and the usual suspects are trying to drown us out but I think we are gaining more traction especially with the obvious FJB disaster.
I’m not ready to lose faith in the American people and their common sense and work ethic.
The 2022 elections gave us a whole host of candidates that campaigned on the issues the R party consultants told them “do not say this”, and as a result these candidates got the full Trump treatment, harassed, attempted intimidation, investigations, etc.
As a result, they are some of the most thoroughly vetted candidates in history, and the most committed.
These brave people, just like PDJT are “standing in their way” and while they lost their elections, they are not going away and are far stronger.
Tina Peters (IIRC) the Mesa Colorado county clerk, KK, Mastrianno, DePerno, a great gal named Cara Castronuevo who has been doing steller work, first supporting NYC workers refusing the jab, then ran for State assembly, and is now working for J6 prisoners, and KL and the whole “slate” of MAGA candidates.
And, they all had STAFFS, and this is the incubator that many politicians emerge from, the campaigns are a starting point.
The MAGA movement HAS a “Future” and is developing a DEEP bench.
WE are NOT going away, nor will we be distracted with ersatz, poorly polished turds.
There are millions of imports, legal and illegal who are not patriotic Americans and do not care about individual freedom.
exactly how a country fails …
And there are a hundred plus million patriotic Americans that care about individual freedom, the well being of our fellow citizens, the rule of law, our Constitutional Republic and the Constitution. So, your point is – throw the towel in, give up or have a pity party?
Karamo is great, MAGA fire-breather! I remember her from the midterm election. Love her!
“another Kari Lake”
The more uniparty cancel-media announces it recognizes you, the more likely landslide voters will too. There’s a Kari Lake in every state of the union.
Uniparty Selections Exposed Again…
Lou Dobbs: “Whistleblower Kristina Karamo calls Democrats “high efficiency destructors of America” and slams GOP establishment for allowing massive electoral fraud to go unchecked in Michigan.
https://rumble.com/ve6ixb-lou-dobbs-interviews-kristina-karamo-on-election-fraud.html
Much to do about nothing.
Government doesn’t give a dam about the people who make things, run operations, engineer bridges, buildings or any other thing with the exception of US paying taxes. Meaning WE must serve THEM WHILE corporations fund political salespersons doing their bidding.
Pro tip…state legislatures control voting and as we witnessed the steal, it only took 5 states (10%) to null our voices.
You can take all the rallies box them with a bow and without restoring election integrity, THEY will steal our voices again.
They need us way more than we need them – they are really just parasites. We need to band together and effectively use our own strength for OUR best interests.
Think Ghandi. No more showing up in a big group where we can be set up by the federal antifa.
“Think Ghandi. No more showing up in a big group where we can be set up by the federal antifa.”
I completely disagree. I think that strategy will consign us all to living in a 1984-ish hell. You don’t seem to grasp that Ghandi managed to do what he did against the UK because his opponent still had a sense of morality and common decency. And for the most part its leaders still respected the law. Our opponent in the US doesn’t value any of these things any longer. The UNIPARTY’s leaders would have its beaten the living daylights out Ghandi and his followers and not a person supporting the UNIPARTY would have lifted a finger.
The solution to what you fear is to protest and show up, not in a J6 sized group, but in groups of hundreds of thousands … millions across the country … and to have lots of 2nd Amendment carriers in those millions.
And message should be straight forward. We demand an election system where cheating can’t occur. And if we don’t get it, we are going to shut down the machine to such an extent that no-one supporting the UNIPARTY will be able to enjoy the good life they’ve come to expect. We will deprive them of food, electricity, water, gas, sanitation, transportation etc, etc.
With protests that size the authorities will be powerless to stop it. If they try, they’ll end up in a civil war where they not only willl risk the loss of the good life, but risk the loss of their lives themselves. They do not have the advantage that King George had living on an island half a world away. They live among us.
My idea is we stop buying anything we don’t absolutely have to have. There could be a sick out, bank withdrawals…cancelling any cable subscriptions not yet cancelled, etc. You actually mentioned it “We will deprive them of food, electricity, water, gas, sanitation, transportation etc, etc.”
The reason is that money is what they really care about.
“My idea is we stop buying anything we don’t absolutely have to have.”
They don’t care if you buy anything right now. They really don’t, Scarlett. They only care about what they can buy and they have most of the money already … and can make and launder more if needed.
What they care about is not more money, but POWER and the good life that power can give them and their families. That power will let them live the good life off the backs of those leftists who foolishly support them and those conservatives who won’t join your boycott (and most of them won’t).
And all the POWER will be all theirs once Trump loses the next election. Then you will never get them out of office after that (because there’s not going to be another Trump), except by mass violence (naked revolution), which you’ve already proven to them you fear. So they aren’t all that afraid of that either.
And once they know you can no longer vote them out of office and you’re afraid of violence, they will come for the guns, like every communist nation has in history. And little by little they will take the guns away in a Fabian-like manner. You will watch your position grow weaker and weaker.
They will also do what every large communist government in history has done … build cities and countryside estates for the party members in order to protect them from the masses (think putting the military between us and them, not living amongst us like they now do). So another vulnerability they now have will be gone.
And they will create their own supply chains for all the things needed for their good life to continue. Then we won’t be able to interdict food, water, gas, sanitation, transpiration, etc., etc. any more. The opportunity will be gone. This is much like the leaders of the USSR and Cuba did and the leaders of Communist China and North Korea are still doing.
Now before you tell me that the USSR and Cuba fell, let me point out that’s because the most powerful nation the world had ever seen bankrupted them, and furthered their demise by sabotaging their economy and fostering discontent. We were a shining city on a hill that their people aspired to emulate. So they rebelled.
But after Trump, the UNIPARTY won’t face that same threat here in America. There will be no outside freedom loving threat to the UNIPARTY. It will be a world more like that envisioned in 1984 where super giant dictatorships faced off against one another.
Then, like I said, you and all the rest of us will end up living a 1984-ish hell (fortunately, I’m an old guy). For people younger, think hunger games. Think of that image of a dystopian city that Sundance keeps posting on threads to remind us were we’re headed if Trump doesn’t prevail.
“You actually mentioned it ‘We will deprive them of food, electricity, water, gas, sanitation, transportation etc, etc.’”
Sorry, but we can only do that if we take to the streets and block the movement of food, electricity, water, petroleum products, transportation, etc. etc. You can’t do that from your living room by not using your credit card.
Wow, BeAChooser,…
Must be phenominal to have such a Chrystal ball.
Got any hot stock tips for us, or tips on horse races?
I can’t think of anything I would be more unwilling to bet on, than events between now and the 2024 election, and the immediate aftermath.
Oh, and “they will create their own supply chains,..” bit is particularly amusing, so thanks for that.
“Oh, and “they will create their own supply chains,..” bit is particularly amusing”
You think so? The citizens of the USSR, Communist China, Cuba and North Korea surely didn’t.
By the way, I saw your comment to me about the Brazilian protest, also trying to dismiss the notion of our side protesting, and responded to you. Here’s the thread: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/23/march-23rd-2023-presidential-politics-resistance-day-793/comment-page-4/#comments . I noted that you totally mischaracterized what happened in Brazil. Just wondering why you didn’t respond to my response to you about that, but instead just disappeared? Care to do it now on that thread?
Also, readers might want to know that you tried on another occasion to dismiss my idea of protests. On this thread: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/18/president-trump-says-he-expects-to-be-arrested-next-tuesday/#more-244449. I had responded to a post by Charlotte99 who told people “DO NOT GO AND PROTEST” Trump’s supposedly pending arrest, pointing to what happened to the J6 protestors. I responded to her by saying “Yeah, we’d be fools to go and protest THE SAME WAY our side protested J6. But we should protest. Only do it in numbers they can’ t possibly control (hundreds of thousands … millions) and with a large number of 2nd Amendment carriers in the crowd so that if they start something, it’s sure to be beyond their ability to control it. Call it deterrence.”
She didn’t respond but you stepped in and wrote “I’ll pass, provocateur”. I responded to you with this “I keep asking you folks, what makes you think the election system isn’t rigged any longer and all I hear is crickets. Obviously, you know it’s still broken. So how are we going to fix it in the time available … less than a year and a half now … without mass protests? Without making demands and threatening consequences? You call me a provactuer. Well, that’s what Paine and Hancock and Henry were. So I stand in good company and take that as a compliment. But who do you stand with, dutchman?” And once again, there was no response from you.
Is this a pattern with you? You don’t actually deal with the content of posts it seems, but throw out what you think are cute one liners to dismiss them, then run? How about you taking the time to dispute what I wrote above with facts and logic? That’s the way debate should work.
Hollar if you need me.
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they care less for money than status; they hate that average people can have a happy middle class life.
What status is there in being a billionaire when even poor people can watch a big screen tv in their own living room?
Destroying the nation (economic collapse) of course will cause pain to the Nazis but it will cause far more to the people. There is no way around targeting them directly.
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We’ve gone through a bold coupe. The entities lying to us are many and the coordination of all this to me is quite breathtaking. Their power is immense and that includes the power of creating fear (depriving J6 prisoners of constitutional rights, unleashing unlawful BLM/Antifa riots) and their power over the stupid/misinformed.
I thought FJB let the cat out of the bag when he said we’d need F15s to fight the government.
So just how are we going to fix this? Apparently we can no longer vote our way out. I’m not sure how many people realize how bad this is and of those who do realize how many have the guts to go to the streets?
Once again…how do we fix this?
This seems to be the problem with going to the streets:
France Yellow Vests Week 228: Macron Refuses To Back Down Compares Opponents To January 6th Actors At US Captiol Mass Protests Strikes Continue Pitched Battle At “Green” Protest Site In Countryside
Apparently the people haven’t yet applied the pressure where it really hurts: commerce.
“This seems to be the problem with going to the streets:”
They aren’t going to the streets like I suggest. Apples and Oranges. They aren’t demanding what I’m suggesting we demand. Apples and Oranges. And the French have no 2nd Amendment RIGHT to possess guns. No right to use them against an overbearing tyranny. We do. Apples and Oranges.
” We will deprive them of food, electricity, water, gas, sanitation, transportation etc, etc.”
That is what the truckers should have done. Never mind the gas guzzling trip to Ottawa, never mind setting up border obstacles that only allowed pigs in RC uniforms to sabotage equipment in the night, what the truckers should have done is simply parked their rigs.
Let the store shelves empty, let a few million phone calls deluge Parliament Hill, let a few thousand stories on the news of starving babies… maybe that would have gotten the frog Trudeau to change the policy.
Exactly. They also had the problem of no 2nd Amendment. They didn’t arm themselves. Then the police wouldn’t have been able to intimidate them like they did. Our Founders were WISE.
Not only that, but if you watched each day, near the end UN planes had landed, and blue helmets were seen in Ottawa. How fast those “globalists” sent their international troops over! A message that
“We see you, and raise you?”
Be very careful about causing martial law. With the current demands of the UN and WHO to sign the
new public health global sovereignty, if jo signs….
“Be very careful about causing martial law.”
Nonsense. They don’t dare declare martial law in the US. Nothing would cause fighting to break out faster against the UNIPARTY than that … except perhaps an effort to confiscate all guns.
And once fighting begins, they will not be able to control or stop it. We not only outnumber but we outgun them … in useful weapons. We have many times more people and many times more guns than every agency in government combined … including the military.
And they can’t use their heavy weaponry because they’d destroy the very cities where they live. They’d destroy that wonderful lifestyle they love … love more than we do. We are already inside their lines. We live amongst them. Next to them.
We go to the same stores, schools and restaurants that they and those they hold dear do. We also are the ones who supply most of what they need to survive … food, water, electricity, fuel, medicine. They are exceedingly vulnerable.
If they start something, they will lose big and they know it. And it will get so out of hand that it can’t be stopped. Think Romania. Think Nicolae Ceaușescu and his supporters.
they created the pandemic
they created the lockdowns
they Can and Will declare martial law
Nail meet hammer.
Correct action to produce results.
Protesting in person does nothing because we no longer live in a Republic.
I agree with this…I think this is our real power. They actually need us more than we need them.
We have to realize our own strength. It might hurt in the short run and we have to stock up…but in the long run it ought to be effective.
MAGA, or no MAGA?
If one is MAGA, it seems to me they take their guidance from the leader of the MAGA movement, and his guidance seems to be register Republican, become a precinct captain, and elect him and MAGA candidates in 2024.
I listened to his rally today, and I didn’t here him saying anything about 100’s of thousands in the streets, and many of them armed.
MAGA,…..or No MAGA?
“If one is MAGA, it seems to me they take their guidance from the leader of the MAGA movement”
Yet, when he asked us to come out and protest his impending arrest, we didn’t. We all but abandoned him. So if he didn’t do that in his Texas speech, maybe that’s why? Why stick your neck out that far if the rest of the MAGA movement is composed of cowards? And besides, his first speech of the campaign wasn’t the time for that, dutchman. But that time may come. After all, he has warned of “death and destruction” if he faces criminal charges. Maybe that was a portent of him calling on us again in the future to stand up.
And if you listened closely to Trump, then you heard him say this during the speech … “So we have to stop them from cheating in elections, because if we don’t win this next election 2024, I truly believe our country is doomed. I think it’s doomed.”
The plain and simple truth is that the current voting process is an invitation to cheat. It’s been deliberately designed to allow cheating. And the rest of the system is rigged to allow that to go unpunished. It worked just as designed in 2020 and 2022 … and the UNIPARTY has been improving it since then. Trump pointed out in that portion of the speech that the UNIPARTY has a “new tool” to allow cheating.
And the plain and simple truth is that next to nothing has been done by our side to get rid of the features in the system that allow such cheating. As a result, the UNIPARTY is positioned to do it again in 2024. In fact, I keep challenging you folks to name one state that Biden won through cheating that he won’t be able to win in 2024 … and all I hear is crickets. In fact, some of the states that were contested 2020, are now solidly in the UNIPARTY’s camp.
You think that by becoming precinct captains, we can stop the cheating? Hate to tell you but Republican precinct captains did not stop it in 2020 or 2022. The UNIPARTY found ways around them in every case. Other Trump supporters naively think we can out ballot harvest the UNIPARTY in 2024. But it took the UNIPARTY years to get that portion of their cheating effort up and running effectively. We have just one year to set up something comparable, and it will have never been tested, like theirs has.
And a lot of the UNIPARTY’s success with ballot harvesting involved illegalities. So unless we are a lot more proficient them them at organization and unless we intend to commit crimes too, I don’t see how *legal* ballot harvesting can counteract all the ways they’ve found to cheat with it and by other means in 2024? Like I said, name one state that Biden won through cheating that he won’t be able to win again?
You are in a 1984 hell right now. Look around and tell me what government is not controlling.
My point exactly. The only thing we have left to challenge them effectively is our 2nd Amendment right. Now I say we use that right to fix the voting process so that Trump has a chance to win fair and square. And then he can do what he all hope he will to prevent that 1984 hell. Rather than waiting to use the right (if we even have the guts to do so) until after he loses the election (due to cheating) and total dictatorship descends on us. The first option offers the possibility of avoiding the destruction of our cities and country. It offers the possibility of righting this sinking ship. The other leads to 1984 or worse.
The problem with that is that they can punch a button and make all your money disappear from your bank account, and you’ll spend an eternity and all your energy trying to get it back.
So you’re totally cowed by a little button and the threat it poses? You’re not willing to risk your fortune like the Founders of the country were? I see. But we can pose threats too. They are VERY vulnerable. Because we can cut them off from food, electricity, gas, water, sanitation, and on and on and on. We can make life miserable for them and their families. They don’t live on an island. They live amongst us. Now who do you think will fold first in that case? You think we can’t survive long enough to be victorious?
“They do not have the advantage that King George had living on an island half a world away. They live among us.“
That’s GOOOD🫡
Two movements Gandhi and MLK worked because they shamed Parliament and Congress into doing the right thing and it worked because of Representative Governance.
Protesting no longer works because our Congress represents corporations and loyal government workers. We no longer live in a by, for, and of the people country. We live in a US vs THEM country and THEM have their boot on our necks.
They were effective because their followers had nothing. Nothing to lose. Want to go there? I don’t.
But we’re headed there is we don’t win the election. Remember the dystopian image that Sundance keeps posting of the city and what’s outside the city? We’re going to end up on the outside of that city.
“You can take all the rallies box them with a bow and without restoring election integrity, THEY will steal our voices again.”
You’re absolutely right. All the rest is HOPIUM.
I see some serious reasons to have hope.
From the beginning, the Russia collusion story did not seem like a well organized plan. It seemed like a reaction to something they didn’t think was possible – us electing someone other than their chosen sock puppet.
To me, it seems like they never had any plan to deal with a candidate they can’t control because they really thought it couldn’t happen.
The 2 impeachment attempts were ridiculous and juvenile. More desperation.
Setting up a Trojan Horse MAGA candidate seems like the next logical step for desperate people with no true backup plan.
If they had all elections locked up with a solid system that could overcome ANY vote deficit, they don’t need DeSantis. They wouldn’t give a damn if Trump runs again.
In 2024, after 4 years of the White House clown show, we will have a huge vote advantage in the legit vote.
President Trump knows it. We need to harvest just as many votes as they do and we win.
There are no sure things but I do see reason for real hope.
“To me, it seems like they never had any plan to deal with a candidate they can’t control because they really thought it couldn’t happen.”
Actually, they did a really good job of controlling Trump. They infiltrated his organization and administration. They kept him from doing anything that really hurt their power. They kept him from cleaning out the rot in the government. They talked him into the Fauci’s scam. They kept him from holding any of them responsible for all the crimes they committed before and during his term.
And then, because they had an insurance plan in place before the election (they even called it that), they kept Trump vulnerable throughout his entire term with one attack after another. Unfounded or not, those attacks made it easier to steal the next election because it kept their base intact even though Trump did a great job on the economy, foreign policy, etc. They then didn’t need to create as many votes in 2022 as they might have had to create to win. Which made what happened sellable.
“Setting up a Trojan Horse MAGA candidate seems like the next logical step for desperate people with no true backup plan.”
They don’t need a backup plan. They haven’t lost control of the government. Their base is intact and all the things that allowed them to steal the last two elections are intact. Point to a single state that Biden won where Trump is now expected to win. You can’t. In fact, some of the states Trump won now look like they’ll go to the UNIPARTY candidate.
Plus I’m sure they’ve dreamed up more things they can do to steal the 2024 election. So if Trump gets 85 million votes this time, their candidate, whoever it is, will get 90 or 93 million. And they’ll sell that just as effectively as they did the 2020 results. And there’ll be no way to challenge it outside of a revolt. And just like now, even many so-called republicans will chime in to say Trump lost the election.
“If they had all elections locked up with a solid system that could overcome ANY vote deficit, they don’t need DeSantis. They wouldn’t give a damn if Trump runs again.”
You way underestimate our opponents. They are not stupid. They don’t leave anything to chance. They have backup of backups and they think long term. And they have patience. They were planning the sort of government and society we see now more that a hundred years ago. They’re Fabian Socialists and Fabians have always been devious. They ran Teddy Roosevelt against Woodrow Wilson. They would have won regardless of who the populace voted for. And over time they’ve made Teddy a hero in the Republican Party.
DeSantis is there as insurance. He will hurt Trump’s effort, even if Trump wins the primary. He’ll harden opposition to Trump with the donor base and he will rob Trump of votes he might have gotten otherwise. And that will make it easier to sell the next UNIPARTY candidate’s victory.
And pigs sometimes do fly. You can’t be sure that DeSantis isn’t the replacement for Biden. He could be pretending to be one of us, just like Bush and Romney did. They don’t care whether it’s a democRAT or a republican who wins, as long as he/she is UNIPARTY.
They don’t want Biden running again, but so far no viable candidate in the democRAT party has appeared. Maybe they’re running the sort of scam they did with Teddy and Wilson? Maybe they’ve got the Republican election system rigged and DeSantis is their man? After all, many GOP primaries use electronic voting.
“In 2024, after 4 years of the White House clown show, we will have a huge vote advantage in the legit vote.”
You really don’t get it, do you? Trump officially got 74 million votes in 2020 … the largest number that any President had ever gotten. And he lost by 7 million votes to a demented guy who could barely get more people to attend his campaign appearances than the media pukes who were in attendance. And essentially nothing has been done to prevent such cheating again.
The UNIPARTY can add or subtract as many votes as they need to win … and there is nothing we can do to stop it or get the cheating addressed after the vote is over. If you didn’t learned that by now, three years later, you haven’t been paying attention.
The election monitoring bodies, the police, the courts, the GOPe, the DOJ, the FBI, the FEC, and the media did nothing to hold anyone accountable for massive election fraud that was totally obvious. You think they are going to care if the next UNIPARTY candidate has to manufacture a couple million extra votes to win?
“We need to harvest just as many votes as they do and we win.”
Well, if that’s your strategy, you’d better prep to live in a 1984 world. (shaking my head in despair)
Well we definitely disagree on some things..
They didn’t infiltrate Trump’s administration. They were already there in the DC swamp.
The talent pool available WAS the swamp. And they found ways to remove the people he brought in that could be trusted, like General Flynn, mainly because of their total control of the MSM.
That total control of the media has seen it’s effectiveness dramatically reduced since then.
The 2020 steal was not an easy task. They were so surprised, they actually had to stop counting in some states, in the middle of the night, to make it happen.
I’ve watched closely every Presidential election evening since Barry Goldwater and LBJ and what happened overnight on election eve 2020 was unlike anything ever seen before.
They weren’t subtle. It was not a well planned effort. It was 5 hours of panic in the middle of the night.
And only their media control made it possible.
And in 2020 we elected a President Trump that had no idea of the depth and breadth of the corruption he would be dealing with.
In 2024 President Trump knows who and what the enemy is now, and knowing your enemy makes a YUGE difference!
And, as you mentioned, they did not keep him from turning our economy around in ways I didn’t think possible. I thought we had been disassembled too far to recover that much that quickly.
Trump exposed the fact that the only thing holding our economy back, holding back American success, was our own government in collusion with multinational corporations.
And I don’t think I underestimate our opponents. I’ve actually been surprised by their incompetence.
They came up with the insurance plan Special Agent Peter was so proud of only after it began to look like Trump could actually win. And that seems to have been the Russian collusion traveshamockery.
It seems to me that the brain trust of our opponents is composed of arrogant, self-righteous bigots with no real understanding of their opponents. Us.
I’ll say it again. If their election theft system was solid and infallible, they don’t need DeSantis.
In fact, it would be better for them to beat Trump once again to drive home the point that MAGA is dead.
I really think this difference of opinion between us is not that significant.
I believe we do have an actual chance to win the 2024 election. Where it goes from there, who knows?
But it is possible and the only alternative is something I will only consider as a last resort.
I don’t think we’re there yet.
And obviously I meant we elected President Trump in 2016 when he didn’t know his enemy, not 2020. Too late to correct.
Isn’t it interesting that some folks insist we go to arms before we exhaust our peaceful means in the battle to put Trump back in the White House?
Can you imagine anything more likely to ensure that never happened?
Suspicious, and I ain’t even a cat.
Meow too, Maquis!
In fact, more like convinced, than suspiscious.
But Will H is doing pretty good job!
Yep.
It’s very interesting that some folks want us to rush to total destruction before exhausting all peaceful means.
I’m pretty sure we all would rather Make America Great Again by peaceful means before blowing it apart and hoping for the best.
That truly would be self destructive hopium.
“It’s very interesting that some folks want us to rush to total destruction before exhausting all peaceful means.”
You and the others commenting above totally misrepresent what I’ve been suggesting. Some of you, like Duncan and Maquis, keep doing it deliberately, which makes me a suspicious cat. They seem intent on an approach that will likely mean the UNIPARTY wins the next election … for all the reasons I’ve pointed out and they’ve refused to address.
As I’ve asked many times, name a state that gave Biden victory in 2020 (by cheating) that Trump is now expected to win? The cheating problem has not been fixed and it will be the undoing of any effort to put Trump back in the Whitehouse in 2024. It Trump gets 80 million votes, his opponent will get 84 … a rather ominous number.
If we follow your approach and we lose (which seems likely given the above), then we won’t win another election. There won’t be another Trump and the election process will be even more corrupt than now. We will live in a certified dictatorship that will quickly turn nightmarish for us.
No, with your approach, if we still want freedom, then after the 2024 election we will have to revolt … which almost certainly will lead to total destruction. So it’s your way that leads to either revolution and total destruction or to a 1984-ish existence, which our Founders likely would have thought worse.
I’m suggesting only that we use our 1st and 2nd Amendment RIGHTS to force a change in election process in 2024 (while there’s still time to make the change) that is entirely fair to both sides. Where cheating won’t be possible. That can be accomplished my way without total destruction … by threat and hardship (on both sides) alone. Total destruction or 1984 are not the only roads I see with my approach.
We do it not with violence (killing our opponents and destroying infrastructure and property) but by interfering with the comfortable lives of those supporting the other side. By interfering with the delivery of food, water, electricity, gas and all the other things that make life comfortable. We let them know that if they take our freedom from us, their comfort will end … because they depend on us for it.
And in my approach, it will be THEY, not us, who will have to turn to outright violence if they chose to continue their cheating ways. The country and world will see that. And I have reasons to doubt they will do that. Because they love their comfort more than anything else. Because turning to violence against our protests would risk their lives. And I think they’re even less inclined than us to risk that.
I’m hopeful about my approach because what I suggest is not unfair to the other side of the political aisle. We’re not suggesting anything that takes away their right to vote as they wish. We’re not suggesting anything that takes away their Constitutional Rights. If they can win the election, fair and square, I will not challenge it. We should not challenge it. We should then just work towards winning the next FAIR election by non violent means, as this country was intended to work. Who can argue with that? Can you?
“They didn’t infiltrate Trump’s administration.”
Au contraire. Trump’s administration didn’t exist until he became President. He invited people into it … the people he then used as advisors and to manage the country. Many of them turned out to be UNIPARTY. In that sense, they infiltrated his administration.
“The talent pool available WAS the swamp.”
He could have brought many more people in from outside government. He had that prerogative. He wasn’t limited to the swamp only. His biggest failure was not going outside the government for advisors on many issues … just accepting the people and agenda that some of the infiltrators suggested. Like on global warming. Like on covid.
The truth is that he didn’t realize, and few of us did, how extensively the deep state was embedded in the government. How misled we’ve been on numerous issues. But he’s only one man so it’s hard to fault him too much for that. I think he’d do much better the second term because now his eyes (and ours) have been opened about many of these people.
“And they found ways to remove the people he brought in that could be trusted, like General Flynn, mainly because of their total control of the MSM.”
No, not just the MSM. Opinions by the DOJ, members of Congress, and many stealth UNIPARTY members also played a role in denying him the help of people like General Flynn. And that fact proves you were wrong to say they couldn’t control him. They did.
“That total control of the media has seen it’s effectiveness dramatically reduced since then.”
You really believe that? I don’t think it’s been reduced at all. The controlled MSM now obviously includes Fox and many republicans still don’t know how dishonest Fox has been. Fox is now helping split the base towards DeSantis, and that effect will linger even if Trump wins in the primary. And the MSM’s effectiveness on the democRAT base is no less than it was. Just ask a left leaning neighbor or friend (I still have a few) what they think of Trump.
“The 2020 steal was not an easy task. They were so surprised, they actually had to stop counting in some states, in the middle of the night, to make it happen.”
Yes, it was not an easy task. It took years of preparation … years that we unrealistically think we can overcome by just creating a ballot harvesting system of our own on the spur of the moment.
There’s no doubt that the number of votes Trump got was a surprise. But they were clearly prepared for that eventuality. They couldn’t have set up all they did after the vote tallying began. They had internet access to the machines and software ready to alter the votes. They had extra ballots ready to manufactured and people to do it.
Stopping the counting wasn’t desperation, it was a planned feature of the steal to make sure it happened. And next time they’ll be even more adept at doing it because we’ve not prevented those things.
“They weren’t subtle.”
They didn’t need to be subtle because they had (and still have) firm control over every government organization that monitors and addresses election fraud. Now they’re going to be even more bold, if needed, because they know they have sure control of the courts too … even the Supreme Court.
“And only their media control made it possible.”
That’s nonsense. Sure, media control helped but like I said, they OWNED every one of the government organizations that might be needed to stop or challenge the vote. Their control of those organizations worked like a charm.
“And in 2020 we elected a President Trump that had no idea of the depth and breadth of the corruption he would be dealing with. In 2024 President Trump knows who and what the enemy is now, and knowing your enemy makes a YUGE difference!”
ONLY if he get’s in office. I was encouraged when he called on people to hit the streets and protest what was going on in New York. What a shame that the MAGA base abandoned him. If it weren’t for the weakness of Bragg’s case, Trump might be in jail right now. You certainly can’t credit the MAGA base for preventing it.
“And, as you mentioned, they did not keep him from turning our economy around in ways I didn’t think possible. I thought we had been disassembled too far to recover that much that quickly.”
All that progress is now gone. It’s almost all been rolled back, and things are worse than before. Foreign policy is a shambles. The economy a wreck. Yet many polls still show Trump and Demented Biden are neck and neck, and the UNIPARTY base believes it, so the cheating can go on. In fact, a WP/ABC poll shows the two separated by less than the margin of error. So does NPR and PBS. Real Clear Politics lists recent poll after recent poll where Biden and Trump are within the margin of error.
Whether it’s true or not doesn’t matter. All they need to do is create the impression that it’s close in most people’s minds so that when Biden get 85 million votes and Trump 80 million, none of them will raise an eyebrow or lift a finger to stop the steal.
“Trump exposed the fact that the only thing holding our economy back, holding back American success, was our own government in collusion with multinational corporations.”
Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. It’s not going to change the election outcome because the election process is rigged, and we’ve done nothing to fix it.
“And I don’t think I underestimate our opponents.”
Well suit yourself.
“They came up with the insurance plan Special Agent Peter was so proud of only after it began to look like Trump could actually win. And that seems to have been the Russian collusion traveshamockery.”
But has it changed the polls? No. Has it changed any democRATS minds? No. Do most people even know how big a fraud the Russian Collusion accusation is? No. Because most people are lazy. If they weren’t, CTH would be one of the most visited websites on the internet and have hundreds of thousands of members. It doesn’t.
“It seems to me that the brain trust of our opponents is composed of arrogant, self-righteous bigots with no real understanding of their opponents. Us.”
That’s you again underestimating our opponents. In fact, Scarlet, I don’t think you can even say who our opponents are because they are pulling strings from the shadows. THAT is how smartly they’ve handled this coup.
“I’ll say it again. If their election theft system was solid and infallible, they don’t need DeSantis. ”
You can repeat that all you want. But to convince me their theft system isn’t solid you’re going to have to name a state that Trump will win in 2024 that Biden won in 2020 to give him the Presidency in the first place. I don’t think you can do it.
“In fact, it would be better for them to beat Trump once again to drive home the point that MAGA is dead.”
No, it would be better for them if they won (with DeSantis) but we thought we won. Like what happened when Bush Jr and Dole and Romney won. They were essential to the triumph Obama and now Biden. They lulled us into complacency and a false sense of winning.
“I really think this difference of opinion between us is not that significant.”
I fear it’s night and day.
“Yes, it was not an easy task. It took years of preparation … years that we unrealistically think we can overcome by just creating a ballot harvesting system of our own on the spur of the moment.
There’s no doubt that the number of votes Trump got was a surprise. But they were clearly prepared for that eventuality.”
Conservatives are like the Generals who fight the last war. Did anyone see the fustercluck in Arizona with 19″ ballot images being fed into 20″ readers?
There can be all the ballot harvesting and early voting and Day Of voting and every other conceivable measure on the part of conservatives to overcome past cheats, but I have no doubt that the next election will feature some new glitch that will ensure the Dems win.
There is only one solution; paper ballots and voter ID to be presented on one day of voting, but even that won’t be enough — nothing will be enough — because at the very end of the lawsuit road, the Supremes have demonstrated no interest in electoral integrity.
US elections are a WWF match.
I prefer Will’s approach here, because I don’t want to contemplate the alternative.
But Chooser is right about one thing, the key states – Will says “we need paper ballots & voter ID” (with legit signatures, in-person, no drop boxes, no MACHINES, and first no multiple fake names at one address and ballots going to vacant lots on voter rolls).
Yeah, sure we “need” this, and many other integrity reforms.
Yes, it’s common sense, and we can keep saying that all we want, and we have, for what, 6 years now.
But all that is controlled by the STATES. And Chooser is absolutely right – which of the 6 “swing states” have improved in this regard? They’ve all regressed.
PA, WI, MI from ’16 are now lost and backstopped.
We have now effectively lost AZ & GA, despite GA fiddling around the edges with integrity improvements in early ’21. They just stole both states in ’22 right in our faces.
We might be solid in OH, but there are questions about NC, and isn’t MO toying with “ranked choice” – seriously?
Potential NV, MN inroads… forget about it.
Even heard concerns about FL believe it or not. There are 1M bogus names on FL rolls and there was concern about RD before ’22. I think they “let” him win big to leverage his power as an “anti-Trump” force. And you don’t think if they really want to put the squeeze on him, or a FL Pres candidate, that they’ll leverage their bogus voter roll names and machine control? Ha. Anytime they want.
I see no improvement in election anti-fraud in general and in these key states in particular, and yes, I’ll continue to work the precincts, walking doors, putting signs, donating, calling, etc, but I get the sense it’s like your “general fighting the last war” syndrome, and no good path in ’24 without these states, and am very close to Black Pilled on this issue.
Not a pleasant thought. I continue to prepare and inform… and pray.
I would suggest you look at what Kari Lake is doing in Arizona.
She had their supreme court tell the lower court to examine her evidence for signature verification fraud.
She has been collecting reams of data and has three whistleblowers to the scheme.
This is key to gaining the Arizona Governorship, and has implications and ramifications that will radiate across the country, with our help of course.
There is so much more going on than some of our more Doom oriented posters seem to be aware of, not saying it’s easy or a sure thing, but it damn sure ain’t mere hopium.
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With just a little over one year left (out of the four you had since 2020), that’s not all that encouraging. How is what Kari MIGHT accomplish in Arizona going to “radiate” across the country in a year or less? It’s a valiant effort but the deck is still stacked against us.
“I prefer Will’s approach here, because I don’t want to contemplate the alternative.”
I understand your fear, stakan, but putting our heads in the sand is not a solution.
As I just pointed out to Will … and I gave my reasons why I think this is true, his approach will lead to just the alternative you fear … total destruction or the nightmare of a 1984 existence. There are no other choices. It’s my approach that still offers a relatively peaceful way out … if the other side is at all reasonable … if the leadership of the other side treasures their good lifestyles and their lives more than they treasure their political beliefs.
Wow, Be a,..
You really are invested a heck of a lot in this!
And you aren’t? Why are you here, dutchman?
“Trump officially got 74 million votes in 2020 … the largest number that any President had ever gotten. And he lost by 7 million votes to a demented guy who could barely get more people to attend his campaign appearances”
Is it normal for Presidential elections to have 155 million votes?
Got swept under tbt rug that the 155 million combined was 7 million more ballots than registered voters. And we know bidet got votes switched to him from PDJT. The aggregate shows there was massive foul play
The bellwether counties and those other prove. Winning factors were also proof
No.
It is not normal to have 155M votes and there are analyses to show that it’s mathematically impossible – and Biden actually got 20-30M less.
But it is explained away by saying Trump is so corrosive and divisive that he fired up the left to come out like crazy against him – and combat all of us fascists (that’s rich, when they are the authoritarians).
Will H,
Well said, provide counterpoint to idiocy.
Ah … so now what I’m posting is “idiocy”. Why exactly? Or are you going to toss out one liners like that and then run from any commentary of them, dutchman? That does seem to be your modus operandi. Just saying …
Seems like we are getting hammered with a tag team, all in favor of “excercising 2A” and I smell epps.
Yes, this has disinformationalism operative written all over it.
Yeah I smell it too, Dutch. Very committed to the “no hope” position.
I really don’t think the midnight circus act in 2020 was the result of “years of preparation”. It looked like a total “oh shit!” moment.
And we all know the truth about how cabinet positions are confirmed.
And their media control was critical, not nonsense. Saying “sure, media control helped” is ignoring reality.
Without MSM talking endlessly about a scandal, there IS NO SCANDAL.
We learned that lesson during the Obama years.
That man sent almost every cabinet office to attack his political enemies and not one outrage scandal was created by their media.
Want a scandal? Talk about it all day, every day for weeks.
Don’t want a scandal? Report the event one time like it’s no big deal, then move on. Nothing to see.
“I really don’t think the midnight circus act in 2020 was the result of ‘years of preparation’.”
No? I guess you think they wrote the computer code to switch votes like they did that night on the go … at the last minute? I guess you think those boxes of ballots that video shows they pulled out from under the tables when they stopped the count, just magically appeared there? No preparation was required. I guess all those late night ballots that were stuffed in ballot drop boxes by dozens of people were churned out on some guy’s Epson printer at the last minute and handed to his neighborhood pals to deliver. Yeah, they didn’t have anything ready to take care of Trump’s surprising results. Seriously? (roll eyes)
“And their media control was critical, not nonsense. Saying “sure, media control helped” is ignoring reality.”
No, ignoring reality is ignoring the rest of what I said in that response … that “they OWNED every one of the government organizations that might be needed to stop or challenge the vote.” It wasn’t the media that won the election for them. The media didn’t count the votes. The media didn’t prepare those spare ballots or write the software that switched or disappeared conservative votes. The media didn’t deliver the ballots to the drop boxes. And the media are not the ones who stymied efforts to contest the election. The media was only important in getting the majority of the public to ignore or do nothing about the steal.
Look, if the next election were fair and Trump won, the media could not change the election result. So they are irrelevant to the issue at hand … who does the counting and who do we go to contest cheating. The UNIPARTY still controls who counts the votes, who monitors the process, and who decides if cheating occurred. And that’s why they’ll win in 2024, UNLESS we take to the streets and force a change in the election system that will prevent such cheating. In that case, the MSM won’t matter. They won’t be able to stop a Trump win.
Thank you Dutch! My BS meter said, RAY EPPS about BeAChooser, too. It has in the past but today he goes on and on, ad nauseam…🤮
I see another one wants to join your *team*, “Dutch”. Another who won’t challenge what I said directly. Who just wants to slander me and encourage us to all to cower as the time to prevent further election fraud slips away. I wonder how many feds are working on this and other forums these days, trying to keep the populace from doing something they can’t control? Do you know, Arminius? Hmmmmmmm?
You … Wil H, Maquis and dutchman … want to make this personal? Talk about a “tag team” … ganging up on little ol’ me. It’s curious that your teams position seems almost destined to result in a UNIPARTY victory in 2024, for all the reasons I and others have stated, which you three have not successfully addressed.
And I really doubt a government “disinformation operative” would suggest what I’m suggesting occur. My suggested protests would not be another J6 that could be easily infiltrated, managed, and used as propaganda. Nor could the Feds apply force against them with the impunity they did on J6.
You three, on the other hand, are repeating exactly what the UNIPARTY talking heads and stooges have been saying. No more protests by conservatives! It’s a bad idea! Give up your 1st Amendment right to do that! Give up your 2nd Amendment right, while you’re at it! Be good little sheep. Work within the system. Just ignore that the system is rigged against you. Just saying …
Tell us what you are doing to turn this issue around? So we can follow your lead.
Yup.
Think Pennsylvania is going red?
Think Georgia is going Red?
How about the 15 electoral votes in N Carolina? Think they’ll stay red?
How’s Arizona going to go red? Election reforms…IF they somehow are implemented.
Buckle up. It’s not even ugly yet.
Just sayin’
And oh. I’m praying I’m wrong. 🙏
So, we should just give up then? Is that what you are trying to tell us? Not in my lifetime.
We all know a democrat couldn’t get elected dog-catcher without Election Fraud.
The most intelligent and smartest people I’ve ever known are skilled tradesmen and engineers. The most intelligent and smartest engineers I’ve ever known started out as skilled tradesmen or were trained via skilled tradesmen after their post graduate school. *Thats* who can build and maintain a 1st World Society. President Trump already knows this 🙂
JMO.
As of April 2, 2023, there is a new operational MAGA definition of RINO.
In your state, any republican incumbent congressman or senator who hasn’t publicly endorsed President Trump for President in the 2024 primary, will from that date forward be considered a RINO and susceptible to being primaried by a MAGA / America First candidate endorsed by President Trump.
After April 2, 2023, any potential MAGA candidate can check their state / local representatives and senators to see if they have publicly endorsed President Trump. If they haven’t, then the potential MAGA should arrange to file for that seat. That will start the ball rolling to replace the RINO.
The objective is to primary every RINO so a MAGA will be running against the democrat in the general 2024 election.
A great plan, however if people in your State responded to the call to join in the precinct strategy, and if they have worked to drive out the RINOS in the State party hierarchy (District, County and State Chairs and Executive committees it will work.
If they haven’t, and the party leaders are all snakes, the party will run “splitter” candidates in the primary that split the MAGA vote, and the RINO will get through.
Our biggest enemy is in the State R parties, even more than the RNC.
Good points Dutchman,
That is why MAGA’s battleground is at the state / local level. States / districts are in different levels of anti-RINO development. But, nothing is impossible, when MAGAs start working together.
The fact is, there are only a small number of RINOS who make up the State / district party hierarchy compared to the number of MAGA citizens.
A MAGA in a RINO controlled state / district needs to step forward to bring together enough MAGAs to vote out the RINOs in the state / district party hierarchy.
There is not a better way to attract other MAGA’s attention than to file for the seat held by a RINO. One MAGA can get the ball rolling. President Trump has been known to shine the light on new local MAGA candidates.
So, Dutchman, some states / districts may be harder than others but “harder” can be overcome by the MAGAs coming together and leveraging their larger numbers to take over the state / district party hierarchy, aka the precinct strategy.
MAGAs did that in 2021/2022 to take back the house. MAGAs can do it in 2023/2024 to increase their numbers in the house and take back the senate and the office of President.
Here is a short, proven leadership video on “How to start a movement”.
“Let’s go Brandon!”
Yes, believe me, been involved in that battle. But caution. There are stealth everywhere. There are disgruntled factions everywhere, they’ve been playing local political games for decades, while we’ve all been earning a living.
Yes, we need to participate, but it’s hard to know whom to trust, and so far I’m just a quiet precinct member, observer, who wants to know the facts.
It would be so much easier if the election process itself were fair and honest … no cheating allowed … one person, secret ballot, counted by people … like in the good old days before we had to worry about Marxists and Fabian Socialists and Progressives and every other disguise that communists have adopted over the years.
Then we might even find democRATS voting MAGA … or at least not voting against it, given the shambles their leadership has made of the economy, foreign policy, and a dozen other things. But no, asking for fair and honest election methods is just too much. And no protesting about it either. That’s frowned upon too.
My personal litmus test has been anyone who says we need to “move on” from ’20 – and this is why Laura I. and many others have gotten zero of my time and brain power and energy (not that I ever paid much attention to Laura in the first place 😉)
“My personal litmus test has been anyone who says we need to “move on” from ’20”
Yeah, that “move on” stuff is what turned me off to George Bush. The “move on” mantra started with the “Move On” organization formed in 1998 to fight the impeachment of George’s buddy Bill Clinton. After Bush won, ironically in part thanks to the impeachment effort, Bush adopted the phrase “move on” to justify the GOP under him not prosecuting any of the numerous crimes that occurred during the Clinton years. We were told to “move on” so George could pass his *important* *agenda*.
The Riady Non-Refund is just one example of the extremes to which George and UNIPARTY cronies went to avoid holding the Clintons and their lackeys responsible for their criminal misdeeds. In that case, Bill Clinton and top DNC officials publicly stated that the millions of illegal foreign campaign contributions that they got from James Riady were returned. But during his sentencing under a plea agreement where he had to tell the truth, James Riady stated to the judge that those millions were never returned … and when the judge asked the prosecutor if that was true, the prosecutor said yes.
And Bush did NOTHING about it … other than give Riady what amounted to a slap on the wrist. How many people in Clintons’ inner circle were involved in that criminality alone and never indicted or investigated by the Clinton DOJ? How much heartache could have been prevented later had we taken the opportunity to get the Clintons and their lackeys out of government and the media? We had the opportunity and Bush moved us on.
And never mind all the other crimes (in scandal after scandal) that the Clintons or members of his administration and party committed during his term. That dereliction of duty was the result of the UNIPARTY republicans telling us to “moving on”. We let them deceive us. And here they are trying to do it again. Will we never learn?
Makers versus takers. There may come a time to simply withdraw out services. Let’s give it another try before we say Atlas..
I guess Bannon finally got that skin cancer off his temple. Good.
There was a time, early on in Trump admin, like CPAC ’17 with Steve having a chat with Reince, that he looked like death warmed over, and some were taking bets on when he’d keel over with a heart attack.
“…the people who build stuff, create stuff, innovate and bring physical stuff into reality, these are the people within the MAGA movement…”
That’s why an organized, nationwide strike of the people who actually ‘do’ things would be such an effective tool of change.
Only after Nov. 2024, if they stop counting again.
Here you are, trying to delay doing anything effective again, dutchman. Don’t be fooled people. If we let them *win* the next election by not dealing with the cheating that we all know is coming, there won’t be a thing we can do other than revolt and that’s what most of you are trying to avoid, isn’t it?
We need to use the 2nd Amendment and massive protests NOW to force a cleaned up election process on them. One that is fair to both sides and which can’t be stolen by any of the means they’ve used so far. One that harkens back to the old days when elections could be trusted.
Assuming we win that election (and I thinks its a safe bet if the election process if fair and not cheatable), their power will be greatly diminished. Then Trump will have the chance to take the UNIPARTY apart and fix the government. But we will never get that chance if you listen to people like dutchman. Mark my words.
She is really good. I like how she keeps a poker face no matter what.
I luv Liz.
MAGA can grow as big as it wants. Doesn’t matter without clean elections. Or MAGAs making life very unpleasant for the cheating progs
More Ron? No Ron….Trump 2024.