More Dr. Fauci Nonsense: Social Distancing (Lock-down) Will Continue Until New Coronavirus Cases Cease….

….Sometimes within a 24 hour period Fauci will make a statement, then contradict the initial assertion, then attempt to cloud his own conflict with obtuse and wordy explanations…

CTH noted yesterday that Dr. Fauci was once again talking nonsense on a level that is almost incredible; but we needed to see it in the official transcript to be certain.

During the coronavirus briefing on Wednesday April 1st, Dr. Fauci stated -and no media challenged him- that CDC guidelines for “stay-at-home” directives would remain in place until all new cases ceased, & deaths were no longer happening.  This could take years.

[Transcript (emphasis mine)]  – Q Thanks, Mr. President. A question for Dr. Fauci. Looking beyond, when we’re on the other side of this curve, are we looking at living with some sort of social distancing guidelines essentially until there’s treatment or a vaccine? For example, people looking forward to the summer talk about, you know, going to baseball games, going to concerts. We have political conventions over the summer. Are things like that possible or safe without a vaccine or a treatment in place?

DR. FAUCI: Yeah, I think if we get to the part of the curve that Dr. Birx showed yesterday when it goes down to essentially no new cases, no deaths at a period of time, I think it makes sense that you’re going to have to relax social distancing.

The one thing we hopefully would have in place, and I believe we will have in place, is a much more robust system to be able to identify someone who’s infected, isolate them, and then do contact tracing. Because if you have a really good program of containment that prevents you from ever having to get into mitigation — we’re in mitigation right now. That’s what the social and physical distancing is.

The ultimate — the ultimate solution to a virus that might keep coming back would be a vaccine. In fact, I was on the weekly conference call with the WHO-sponsored group of all the health leaders in the world who are dealing with this. And we all came to the agreement that we may have cycling with another season. We’ll be much better prepared. We likely will have interventions. But the ultimate game changer in this will be a vaccine, the same way a vaccine for other diseases, that were scourges in the past, that now we don’t even worry.

THE PRESIDENT: And, Tony, how are they — how are they doing with the vaccines, Tony?

DR. FAUCI: I mean, the vaccine is — is, as I said, it’s on target. We’re still in phase one. There were three doses that we had to test. We’ve been through the first two doses. We’re on the highest dose now.

When we get that data — it’ll take a few months to get the data to feel confident to go to the phase two. And then a few months from now, we’ll be in phase two. And I think we’re right on target for the year to a year and a half. (End Transcript)

Setting aside that Fauci loves him some vaccines… (along with Bill Gates)…  the fact Fauci would advocate for social distancing until new cases of COVID-19 are no longer happening is essentially keeping the country locked down for many months, possibly years.

That is just nuts….  However, that type of over-the-top gibberish is identical to other statements made by Fauci during this crisis which we first noted on March 17th.

There’s been a debate about possible political motives surrounding the panic he has created; the massive economic damage he has inflicted; and the conflicting assertions of National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases (NIAID) Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

CTH identifies the motives as sketchy. He appears to use his position to advance theories and yet position himself to avoid scrutiny.

Sometimes within a 24 hour period Fauci will make a statement, then contradict the initial assertion, then attempt to cloud his own conflict with obtuse and wordy explanations. After watching for several weeks, we called it out HERE.

Perhaps one way to help see through the professional obfuscation, and identify just exactly how political Dr. Fauci is, would be to: compare and contrast Dr. Fauci under President Obama in September 2009 after 3,000 to 4,000 H1N1 deaths in the USA -vs- Dr. Fauci under President Trump in March 2020 after 200 to 300 COVID-19 deaths. WATCH:


Now, to better absorb the information…. According to the CDC final estimate of 2009 U.S. H1N1 cases (published in 2011): from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million U.S. cases, 274,304 U.S. hospitalizations, and 12,469 U.S. deaths occurred due to H1N1. That’s the empirical data.

After: (1) watching that 2009 video; and (2) comparing the 2009 H1N1 response to the current 2020 COVID-19 response; and (3) reviewing the empirical data; we must admit to ourselves there is a VERY BIG difference. So now, with the baseline established, we look for why such a big difference; and to do that we (4) evaluate the politics:


A few months later:


Now, pause for a moment – reread that again – don’t skip past it. Think about what type of mindset would send such a letter and communication. Apply common sense. Trust your instincts…

Would a person of reasonable disposition send such a letter or email to anyone in their professional network? Would you ever consider writing a letter to your employer, or the family of your employer, declaring your undying love and devotion toward them?

“rarely does a speech bring me to tears”?… “please tell her I love her more than ever”?.. “please tell her that we all love her”… etc.

Seriously…. think about it. If you have ever engaged in a large system, large business, or large network of professionals, how would you react to a person inside that organization who was sending such non-professional communication? What exactly does that say about the emotional stability of such a person?

And this person, right now, with this inherent sensibility, has the most consequential and direct influence over the decision-making for the worlds most powerful nation. Stunning.

Now reconsider:

The concept of “flattening” the virus curve; the presumptive reason for social distancing and shutting down the U.S. economy; is based on a theory to extend the spread of COVID-19 to a lesser incident rate over a longer duration, thereby lessening the burden on the U.S. healthcare system. Hence, ‘flatten’ the spike in infections.

Put another way: “Flattening” means the same number of people eventually contract the virus, only they do so over a longer period of time, and the healthcare system can treat everyone because the numbers do not rise to level where the system is overloaded. In theory that seems to make sense.

However, no-one is asking: what is the current stress level on the healthcare system right now? Where are we in that capacity?… and what is normal capacity level during a high-level flu outbreak?… and Where are we when compared against that baseline?

♦ Remember in 2009 there were over 61 million cases of H1N1, more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,469 additional deaths specifically attributed to that strain of flu virus in the U.S. [DATA HERE]

The premise to extend the virus duration in an effort to lower the infection rate and spread the virus over a longer period of time needs to measured against: (a) where the healthcare system is at any given moment; and (b) under traditional high-flu seasons where are we during those historic events.

STRESS LEVEL – The healthcare ‘system’ per se, is expending an awful lot of time on mitigation efforts. As Dr. Birx noted: the current negative test rate for coronavirus among those showing symptoms who are tested is 94 to 98 percent. That means of all the people taking coronavirus tests, 94/98 out of 100 are symptomatic (they are sick) but they are not infected with coronavirus. They are normal flu cases.

Our healthcare “system” is expending an incredible amount of resources on a mitigation effort. According to Dr. Birx and the current U.S. test results, 94 to 98 percent of those mitigation efforts are not engaging with coronavirus. They are dealing with regular flu (perhaps a strong flu).

If you extract the mitigation effort from the overall effort, the current stress level on the healthcare system doesn’t seem to be overwhelming. What is stressing the system is a coronavirus mitigation effort with a rate of 94 to 98 percent testing negative.

Dr. Fauci’s theory is self-fulfilling.

If the viral spread never exceeds the capacity of the healthcare system to deal with it, he can claim success. Look, our flattened curve worked.

However, when contrast against flu outbreaks, no-one knows what the COVID-19 capacity threshold is within the healthcare system. There’s no way to disprove Fauci’s theory.

Given the nature of the baseline for overall U.S. sanitation and hygiene, which is significantly higher than Italy, S-Korea and China; and given the higher standards of food safety (U.S. is the world leader); again significantly higher than Italy, S-Korea and China; and given the nature of the U.S. healthcare system (more capacity per person); is it really a fair comparison to overlay a COVID-19 outbreak, without also overlaying a traditional flu outbreak?

♦ Remember in 2009 there were over 61 million cases of H1N1, more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,469 additional deaths specifically attributed to that strain of flu virus in the U.S. [DATA HERE]

We did not shut down the U.S. economy in 2009.  Any theory that cannot be scientifically tested; and is simultaneously self-fulfilling; is, by its nature, a false theory.

This is not to say that Dr. Anthony Fauci is intentionally misleading anyone; however, it is absolutely true that no-one will be able to quantify if trillions of dollars of economic wealth lost; and trillions more in economic activity lost; and trillions more in deficit spending; and that might all be done just to follow the fantastical whims of a doctor who is directing the mitigation of an ordinary flu-virus/season, and appears to be quite full of his own sense of self-importance.

You decide….

I think I already have.  WATCH:

Yeah, it can’t be because those states have residents that are socially distant from their immediate neighbors already…. and living far apart from each other…  No, not that.

According to the Fauci logic every state must be treated under the same directive that applies to a highly dense population like New York City… or something.

Somebody get this guy away from national public policy; he’s destroying the economy, and it looks to me like Dr. Fauci-Mengele is doing it intentionally.

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646 Responses to More Dr. Fauci Nonsense: Social Distancing (Lock-down) Will Continue Until New Coronavirus Cases Cease….

  1. Rj says:

    When is the truth gonna be known about what this really is ? Two Deep State puppets giving us numbers that are based on modelers who remain anonymous and are probably the same modelers who give us the fake global warming BS

    Liked by 8 people

    • Gerry says:

      They got to Fauci, or he was already with them and we didn’t notice. On 21 January he was not that concerned, Ten days later, DJT starts the travel ban with China.

      Liked by 2 people

    • jwmson says:

      I called and wrote my state reps and federal reps. NC is closed down by NC Gov until 4/30, but get this. NC Gen Assembly cafeteria remained OPEN for dining until yesterday when a cafeteria worker tested positive. ALL NC restaurants have been closed for over 2 wks yet the GA dining hall remained open. Their press release, when questioned, 3 branches of NC govt are separate….THEN WHY NOT US????

      TRUMP better open up this economy and the USA. Keep some areas closed but OPEN.. Just heard some tv MD say: TALKING can spread it………….IF SO, HOW are we EVER to be safe again in our lives??? We NEVER know when at a restaurant, grocery store, hospital, anywhere WHO WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH. WE CANNOT LIVE OUR LIVES IN FEAR. He also said, THER ARE NO VACCINES…which is yet another scare tactic. May be no vaccines, but there are drug therapies that have cured the disease….USE THEM.

      THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH…..IF we stay shut down, we will never re-open. WHEN: 0 cases of anything? That will be NEVER? Soon, late summer, influenza begins, that kills more than covid19; so, do we close again. Already said, this virus may return in fall. WE CLOSE AGAIN?

      Liked by 3 people

      • swissik says:

        It is the dream of the progressives, Pelosi & Co. and many others of the same mind. She fancies herself the president, after all she is third in line. The very last gasp of the dem party to finish off the Trump presidency. If anybody believes that they have qualms about a high number of deaths, they are delusional. There are plenty of Stalin, Hitler, PolPot types in this country to take care of those of us that they deem disposable or just in the way of their mission.

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    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      Here is the truth:


  2. paper doll says:

    Masks will be mandatory when we open up again. I’m guessing that because the elites are hoarding them…oh and they are hoarding the malaria drug too. That why MI and Nevada tried to stop others from having it. They wanted it for the higher ups.Then they discovered they still didn’t have enough and changed their tune to an SOS. Such is my conjecture


    • Adorable deplorable says:

      I’m not wearing a mask!

      Liked by 5 people

      • Bendix says:

        Next they’ll decide underwear must be worn outside the clothing, and Americans will agree it is the right thing to do.
        I remember when we heard about SARS in China, everbody was wearing masks, and it still spread all over hell.
        When will we learn?
        I don’t want the government’s permission to move about freely.
        I don’t want my rights not to wear something on my face taken away by some clearly unbalanced man with a Dr. in front of his name.
        Josef Mengele was a doctor too.

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        • Bendix- RIGHT ON. The BS never ends with these people.
          Rush spent his entire show discussing the things that don’t add up including Fauci’s BS.
          He was extremely compelling and I hope that our President Trump will pay attention to him at least. Rush really laid it out there in such a way that there was nothing to argue about.
          I heard some of Levin a little while ago and he seems to be saying the same thing. He was saying he wasn’t that thrilled with the other hack, Brix, either.
          Time to re-open America. If we are in a war, then I am volunteering to go fight on the front lines.
          I would rather take my chances with the Chi Com Flu than Fascist Dictator Cuomo and his Demon Rats.

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    • sarasotosfan says:

      Bandanas or a face covering will do. I was just at a Home Depot and a Publix and I called both store managers to demand everyone wear a covering to protect their employees and fellow customers.

      Gubment is not going to solve this crisis. This must be addressed by industry and the sooner the better.

      Liked by 2 people

      • paper doll says:

        Indeed, when I say mask, I mean covering


      • borndwebb says:

        Really tell me since a 95 will not work. See the mask has 3micron holes to trap. the Virus is ONE micron. Tell me how a scarf works or even a 95, large pluuge, yes some, not all.

        Beside the main method is not Oral, if it is most likely a small load which determines the severity in many cases.

        The transfer is FROM not wiping your butt well, and not washing hands. Cases on the Pricess cruise ship, which comrade Fauchi did not even explore, or if he did he tossed it. Does not match t he fear porn he uses.

        It led back to the KITCHEN in the ship. Third world workers not doing proper hygiene.

        You really think those employees in the fast food and other resturants washed their hands with soap and water properly before returning to work. Like other really viral virus, Transmission most likely is FECAL not oral.

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        • Three microns is a bit big for a Wuhan special, 60-140 nanometers dia (0.06 to 0.14 microns. a period is about 600 microns for reference). But relax, infected folk aren’t going about blowing pure and individual viral particles. The virus is produced in the respiratory tract is trapped in liquid droplets comprised of mucus, surfactant, saliva, cell debris. Size of the droplets can vary, small and airborne is usually considered 5-10 microns and droplet transmission is considered greater than 10 micron diameter. Short answer N-95 masks will work. Long answer read: “Recognition of aerosol transmission of infectious agents: a commentary” Tellieret al. BMC Infectious Diseases (2019) 19:101
          Since it has been known for months that the disease is airborne,here a couple of “difficult questions.
          Why did not someone have the courage to say “Masks will reduce the risk of getting the infection however we don’t have enough masks to protect the whole population so we have to direct them to those of greatest risk for infection, medical personnel treating patients? Lack of candor might be due to difficulty answering a following question, Why don’t we have enough N-95 masks? Had stockpiles prior to 2009 but they weren’t replenished sinceH1N1 outbreak? Who was involved in making those decisions?

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        • sarasotosfan says:

          As indicated, a N95 is NOT perfect, nor is any impenetrable face covering.

          The art is in balancing risk versus reward.

          Regardless of what we do, their will be some potential for transmission. So the question to answer is will any facial have a substantial enough effect to warrant using it?

          We already know the answer is YES. Since we are not talking about walking straight into fully spit loogies, any airborne virus has a better chance to be snagged by the covering than to make it straight into your mouth.

          You might also keep your specs on as well. I wear sunhlasses always anyway.


      • paulashley says:

        I won’t ‘demand” any such thing.

        Liked by 2 people

    • Sharon says:

      So now all of a sudden, it’s masks-for-everyone. Interesting. Two weeks ago the word on the street was that the masks should only be used by those who were sick (who should stay home anyway). And, over the last two weeks, almost every news broadcast contains hysteria about the inability of medical facilities to obtain adequate masks.

      It’s beginning to seem that every single idea is becoming “the hill to die on”.

      The primary thing I’m getting out of all of this (including the nonsense on our local neighborhood based facebook thing) is that most are looking for a reason to freak out and manifest rampant fear.

      Good grief. None of us were ever going to get out of here alive – – – it’s beginning to seem that almost no one knows that.

      Liked by 7 people

      • paper doll says:

        Yeah I think we were told not to bother about masks so we wouldn’t buy them…. leaving more for the high hats

        Liked by 1 person

      • jwmson says:

        TV MD just said, TALKING spreads…see where this is going. deeper and deeper and now masks…..KEEP doing what these idiots prescribe…next, they will say your money has to be turned over.….STOP THIS MADNESS

        Liked by 2 people

        • Sharon says:

          Re the money thing – yes, some ads I’m seeing/hearing are already limiting purchases to credit/debit cards, refusing to accept cash.

          If there is no one in authority who is willing and able to put the brakes on, these specific weeks will become a specific reference point regarding the collapse of our Republic.

          Liked by 3 people

      • X XYZ says:

        Sharon, I’d give you ten likes if I could!

        Some people are controlled by fear mongering, including government/media broadcasts and some others usually or always take simple and prudent precautions. That’s a habit that is taught and learned. It’s the old boy and girl scout’s motto: “Be Prepared.” Then there is also the old gun owner’s motto: “Make love, not war. Be prepared for both.” (Gotta get rid of the scouts, first. Religion’s gotta go, too. These folks cling to their bibles and their guns. Ultimately we gotta get rid of their guns, too.) Over several generations, who taught the masses to be so unprepared? So compliant?

        Fear sells. It sells both products and ideas. In America, everything imaginable is for sale. Some will buy anything and everything in a panic situation. Some have prepared in advance of disaster. Some know the difference – as to what they might need to buy, if and when anything is urgently needed, or not.

        Knowing such things and surviving hardship is “capital” of a different, intangible sort. It usually comes from what one learned from their parents: Values. There are some things in life that money can’t buy. They are the intangible and most valuable things in life that NO government can EVER provide. Never – not in the same way as any good family might. 😉


    • jwmson says:

      NOT wearing a mask…WILL NOT.

      Liked by 3 people

  3. Alli says:

    Trump needs to consult experts that are outside of government
    Fauci’s stance is off

    Liked by 6 people

  4. sarasotosfan says:

    The Calf Path by Sam Foss captures this insanity perfectly:

    Liked by 1 person

  5. Patriot1783 says:

    I went shopping today, noticed more people out than last week and trying to keep daily routine of grocery, buying what they need, no over purchasing. Only about half wearing masks but all wearing gloves. The six feet recommendation in effect, following the arrows on the floor, pleasantries all about, hello, good to see you, please, thank you, excuse me…
    Maybe I’ve inherited the fearlessness of my ancestors who went out without hesitation during the Revolution to protect their God given rights and way of life. They survived the British Army, their awful prison ships aka death camps and the Indians during the Revolution. If I ever need a mask I’m not going to be out shopping.
    Enough of Fauci. A start to the heal and hope is to return everyone’s constitutional rights, open up sections of the country not as hard hit, let people start to get back their lives and repair what is left of their future.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Silver Sunday says:

      My experience shopping as well.
      We are all adults! We are Americans, self reliant.
      Just give us the facts, and we will deal with it.
      We can make our own masks, and decide if we want to wear them. If we are well and fear being inundated with germs that travel through the air in any location, wear a friggin mask. If you are ill, and have absolutely no one on this earth that will help you to buy the things you need, when you go out wear a friggin mask.

      I mean, yes, worse than flu, I got that. But we need to qualify how much, and who?
      If you are a fragile person (age, health) during flu season, what do you do? Do that now.
      Unfortunately some people who get severely ill and recover will have found out that they have an underlying condition that they didn’t know about. Or some may die because of underlying condition they didn’t know about. I feel horrible for them, terrible for their families, but for Pete’s sake, we take our life into our hands when we walk out our front door each day. Or even in our homes. (except for drowning in our own bathtubs. That is usually murder).

      On the phone with a friend who is my age 65, who was saying the government should “Tell us what to do”. And it hit me. Yes & No. I have freed who is 75, she is “well I watch the Pressers and I get from that information and then I behave accordingly based on what my life is about.”


  6. positron1352 says:

    Need to open up the economy with some guidelines. Why let the economy crash and people go broke. Insanity.

    Liked by 4 people

  7. Alli says:

    How can anyone trust people who have had government jobs their entire life? People who haven’t got a clue about the private sector are so out to lunch. Trump knows better unless they have told him things that are not being shared with our fellow citizens. This situation is showing a lot of true colors and intent. Hoping that helps to expose the progressive Communist agenda. The more these swing voters see it maybe they will have a clearer position
    Praying for a Trump landslide

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  8. doofusdawg says:

    In his mind there should be no difference in a stay at home order for all of America vs. a stay at home order for the entire world.


  9. WeThePeople2016 says:

    And we all know why.

    Liked by 6 people

    • mike dennis says:

      Indeed, not sure what POTUS is waiting for here. We now have a poll showing an overwhelming doctor consensus that Hydroxy… is the best/effective treatment. Trump should declare it settled science, eliminate ongoing future trials, fire Fauci for being a hydroxy denier and begin investigations into all other deniers (governors, media types etc.)

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  10. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  11. Miss America says:

    Hello Treepers, I was here a lot during the last election and haven’t been here for awhile, but I’m back now because this is madness.

    I live in Texas now. Dallas County just extended the “shelter in place” order until May 20 and I am **angry**.

    Texas has had 70 deaths, out of a population of over 28 million. That is .00025% of the population. Nearly 3600 people die on Texas roads every year, but do you see cops patrolling interstates around DFW where idiots weave in and out of traffic going 100? Certainly not.

    The premise that we have to keep people from dying is bogus. Millions dies every year from cancer, heart disease, diabetes, suicide, abortion. Where is the outrage? We can have compassion for the sick and health strategies AND be concerned about the economy and our livelihoods.

    There are things worse than death. And at this rate, we are about to find that out.

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  12. JCM800 says:

    So, the CDC Dr. Fallacy, said there was a Scary Virus, whose data and descriptions come from Known Police State Communist Chinese Propagandist aka, Liars.

    If one of my elderly or health compromised patients died from my inept care as a Nurse or Doctor, with Flu like symptoms.

    Why accept the responsibility for the inept practice of Medicine, when I can blame it on the Scary Mystery Virus?

    “What should I write as cause of Death Doctor?”
    “Blame the Scary Mystery Virus Nurse, while we still can.”

    The point is why would you set yourself up for a Malpractice Lawsuit if you can deflect the blame?
    Dr. Fallacy from the CDC has approved it.

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    • JCM800 says:

      I’m no Doc of course, but if the Stats and Situation are the Murder Victim, I’m using the Detective style of analysis. Who has the…..
      Thank you CTH for all that you do!


  13. Dan says:

    Fauci should be fired immediately. He is the prototypical bureaucratic parasite. He like the attention, likes the big budget, but maneuvers to avoid any accountability. He spreads fear because it makes him feel powerful and subtly undermines the common sense measures we can take, like expanding the use of hydroxyquinone preferring to delay it until he and his cohorts give it their blessing. The dead be damned.

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  14. JCM800 says:

    Dont forget Dr. Cancer

    ” He was the owner of Michigan Hematology-Oncology (MHO), one of the largest cancer practices in Michigan. He was arrested in 2013 on charges of prescribing chemotherapy to patients who were either perfectly healthy or whose condition did not warrant chemotherapy, then submitting $34 million in fraudulent charges to Medicare and private health insurance companies over a period of at least six years.”

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  15. waterthelibertytree01 says:

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    • BuzzyBee says:

      This is great! Thank you for this information!


    • Eric W. says:

      Testing is usually by appointment only. It’s fairly simple to load up the schedule to create a super busy hour by concentrating all of the appointments over a day and a half into, say a 2:30 pm appointment for dozens of people. Then, make a call to the local media outlet at lunch time and tell them to show up at 2:30 to film “the chaos”. The next day or so is completely dead because they are stacking the next group into a frantic one-hour window to generate the next photo-op?

      Eric W.


  16. X XYZ says:

    About the now “recommended” guidelines, and the soon to be made mandatory, wearing of masks… what’s the solution?
    EUREKA! I’ve got it!

    All women will be required to wear a full burka, or a hijab! (Some already have them in their wardrobes. They are ahead of the curve. Maybe somebody alerted them to what was ahead?)

    For men? Hazmat face gear looks nice, if you can afford it. .A full helmet of medieval armor would be impressive, but kinda heavy to wear. For those who can’t afford the required costumery, there is another option. Now that we have to use reusable shopping bags in many states, we can cut some eye holes in a paper bag and put one over our heads.

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  17. Jenevive says:

    So for weeks Surgeon General, Fauci and others have repeatedly
    told us NOT to wear masks..They don;t help (but for some reason
    they help only health care workers) don;t wear a mask..

    Now suddenly when you go out wear a mask? And where do they
    expect people to buy/find masks since no stores have any.

    I did by a 3 pack of washable cloth masks from Amazon.
    and most of the regular masks are made in….CHINA

    See what happens when you walk into your local bank with
    a bandanna on your face.

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  18. I don’t think Dr. Fauci is deliberately trying to damage the US economy like Sundance says. It seems to me that it is a simple case of not understanding enough about economy and overfocusing on the medical side of things. The training of doctors doesn’t teach them much about how economy functions. They are trained to be overly cautious about medical issues but not to evaluate the impact of their medical decisions to the world at large in terms other than health.

    Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) said on his Periscope Coffee with Scott Adams the following (paraphrasing from memory): “Let’s imagine you had a top expert in economics and a top expert doctor. You ask them to explain to each other what they think the other one needs to know about his specialty to make a decision on coronavirus quarantine length. The doctor could easily tell the economist the key medical facts and the economist would understand it. But I don’t think the economist could explain to the doctor how economics works. I don’t think the doctor could understand it.”

    I think Scott Adams has a point. The doctors are trained to work with “complete” set of facts and known interferences of things. Symptom A + B + C equals illness X, which is treated with method G unless the patient has condition D and/or medication H in which case the used treatment is method J. They learn this stuff more or less by heart and then apply their knowledge to find one right diagnosis.

    Economists on the other hand are trained to function with INCOMPLETE information and still make decisions. They weigh different options and observe patterns and make assumptions. There is never only one right answer and a bunch of wrong answers. There’s option A with 80% good results and 20% bad impacts with probability X, option B with 60% good results and 40% bad impacts with probability Y etc. and they all have different opportunity costs. They’re all a bit right and a bit wrong but still you need to choose the least bad option with the data you have at the moment and change it later if necessary.

    The skill set of an economist like Mnuchin or a businessman like President Trump is more suited to making the decisions in an uncertain situation than that of Dr. Fauci who is out of his comfort zone as long as there are no medical certainties. Fauci’s training tells him to save lives from illness and injuries and to go for certainties. Mnuchin and Trump know they need to save people’s lives from other dangers as well and that there is no one right answer. They know how to function in a situation where you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t, just for different reasons.

    Mnuchin and Trump can extrapolate the consequences of different actions on the big picture level better than Fauci ever could. Not because Fauci has ill intentions, I don’t believe that for a second, but because he’s handicapped by being specialized only in medicine and you need to manage more than just pure medical aspects of the situation. I trust Trump and Mnuchin to be able to play chicken with the situation well enough to hit the breaks right before continuing the coronavirus quarantine would drive the economy over the cliff.

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    • waterthelibertytree01 says:

      If anyone was in higher learning in college, at least in my time… years and years ago. No matter what school sect you were in business, bio, liberal arts……Economics was usually a required freshman class. This may not be the case anymore.


      • littleanniefannie says:

        It is now a requirement for a lot of HS graduates. Unfortunately, it’s being taught by people who majored in history (or one of the specialty studies) but have no clue about Economics (then again, some college grads double majored with one area being Econ, thus being qualified to be a cum laude bartender!

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    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      You have got to be kidding…Dr. Fauxci knows exactly what he is doing. He is trying to fast track a PATENTED vaccine to benefit him & his cronies in Big pharma, NIH and CDC.
      He needs to go asap…


    • JCM800 says:



    • Azrajo says:

      Menuhin. Yep we just saw what a great deal maker he is .


  19. Merkin Muffley says:

    Has anyone here followed the USS Theodore Roosevelt story? What the hell is going on with the Navy?

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  20. dayallaxeded says:

    The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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  21. Bonitabaycane says:

    Dr. Joseph Goebbels Fauci should be quarantined 🙂

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  22. namberak says:

    Methinks the doctor is in love with the sound of his own voice.

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  23. ATheoK says:

    “Would a person of reasonable disposition send such a letter or email to anyone in their professional network? Would you ever consider writing a letter to your employer, or the family of your employer, declaring your undying love and devotion toward them?”

    After reading quite a few of the letters to and from Ms. Mills regarding cankles, it is clear that cankles requires adulation.
    To the point that her employees were engaged in constant contest of who could kiss cankles posterior the most/best.
    They went far beyond obsequious.

    Every email to cankles had at least one groveling utteration to how beautiful/well dressed/incredible speech, etc. etc.

    Letters from Mills were much more succinct. Though Mills passed on praises from employees that to which cankles never talked directly or met.

    Dr. Fauci demonstrates how well he grovels. Heaven bound, he is not!


  24. Jan Roepke says:

    This is akin to saying we will ban all vehicles until there are no longer any auto accidents.

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  25. avocadodipp says:

    Sundance: ‘Seriously…. think about it. If you have ever engaged in a large system, large business, or large network of professionals, how would you react to a person inside that organization who was sending such non-professional communication? What exactly does that say about the emotional stability of such a person?’
    In one word: YES!

    I have seen this over and over again. These are the butt-kissers in the workplace – they are at all levels of an organization, especially at the upper levels. They get ahead because they correctly gauge the person they profess to admire, love, adore… they know how to stroke the unbelievably immense egos (sociopaths) like Hillary Clinton’s. They will grovel at the feet of them to get promotions, then talk hatefully behind their backs. Fauci knew Clinton could help him in the future – he thought she might be president. It’s disgusting.

    Trump and his team are following the Data (not Fauci) – look at what is going on in Italy – that’s not the common flu. In my opinion, the virus is a Chinese bio weapon, and Trump and his Team knows it.


  26. Very interesting article from a local Gannett outlet.
    Comrade Governor Supremo Cuomo is not giving all of the information about the true number of NY confirmed cases and fatalities. They even admit that many of the numbers are skewed.
    Trying not to be “racist.”
    You can believe the stats coming out of NY as much as you can believe China’s propaganda.


  27. John Taylor says:

    Some on the ball reporter should ask Fauci if he is compensating for his poor handling of H1N1 response back in 09 and the number of deaths which resulted with an over the top response now to a much less deadly outbreak.


  28. waterthelibertytree01 says:

    Ji-moron Acucksta of CNN, where is Dr Fauci?…………. looks like a good new meme to start.

    PT mocks Moron….. PT says don’t know where he is….he wasn’t needed today based on topics.

    He’s prob in the CNN studios for another half baked huffer hut statement.


    • littleanniefannie says:

      Calm down Jim-duh, he’s at DNC HQ getting today’s talking points. It took a little longer today because the security guard was negotiating with him for an N95 respirator.


  29. alliwantissometruth says:

    The scariest thing to me is President Trump seems to be following the advice of the democrat operatives with him on stage

    Maybe he has a plan. Is the Chloroquine cocktail in widespread use now? If so, maybe he’s waiting on the numbers to come

    If the cocktail isn’t in widespread use, why not? It was approved for use days ago, yet any mention of it by the “media”, hospitals and the democrat operatives on Trumps team seems to be nonexistent

    Anyway, the President’s actions so far on this seem to be out of character

    While it’s true our country needs hope, it’s more important to see action and forward progress on getting the economy back in working order

    The economy was built by the American people. It’s ours. We own it

    Politicians can shut down any businesses they personally own if they want, but they don’t own ours and they don’t own us, and they have no right shutting down the livelihoods of the majority of Americans

    Americans can handle any new boundaries to protect themselves from the virus on their own, and putting us on home confinement and destroying our livelihoods and all we’ve worked for is not only horribly wrong, it’s unconstitutional

    Mr. President, you need to fix this injustice pronto


  30. James O’Keefe, Project Veritas has been doing some investigation in NYC.

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  31. Judy says:

    Fauci lovvvves Hillary and Birx sits on a Bill Gates Board. That says a lot about their believability.


  32. Yy4u says:

    Thank you Sundance!
    I thought I was getting senile. I listen to the press conferences and I speak enough medicalese to be conversant but damned if I could understand Fauci. He seemed to say one thing one day and quite the opposite the next day. Good to know I am still “receiving”. Whew! If POTUS wins reelection, I hope the first thing he does is fire Fauci.

    I remember back in the 80s the hysteria about AIDS, how we all were going to die of it, how President Reagan wasn’t doing enough yada yada yada. Everyone was at risk, not just homosexuals and IV drug users. Turned out to be as reliable as the Global Warming hockey stick. And who was behind the Aids hysteria? You got it. FAUCI.. And yet the people who get news and info from MSM think he is gold.


    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      Fauxci led the way for an “patented” HIV vaccination – got millions for it…it never materialized. hummmmm
      This among many others ‘patents on vaccines’ that never materialized…
      operative word being ‘patents’


  33. littleanniefannie says:

    If Dr. Fauci is correct, then we need to immediately cancel the Presidential elections and declare President Trump to be the President until at least 2024, at which time we will hold elections. Then he can run for his second term!

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  34. Rick says:

    I see all this effort going into preventing contact with the virus, but where are efforts in building our immune systems up so our bodies can deal with it?

    I read somewhere that 70-80% of the world is vitamin D and zinc deficient. There’s a considerable amount of information already available demonstrating how vital those two substances are in regulating the immune response, including the cytokines in the respiratory tract. (1)

    The other day a doctor who had successfully cured over 600 patients explained how Covid-19 creates a cytokine storm in the lungs. He said he used hydroxychloroquine and zinc to successfully cure over 600 patients. IIRC, he explained that the hydroxychloroquine pushed the zinc into the cells, and it was the zinc that killed the virus.

    So why the need to ‘push’ the zinc? Maybe the patients zinc levels were woefully low? Maybe it takes time for your cells to soak up all the zinc they should have?

    So, if you do a little research you’ll find zinc is vital to our immune system and so is vitamin D, A and C. There are papers written on the anti-inflammatory properties of vitamin A, and how it has been shown to regulate cytokines in the lungs.

    According to this article(1), Vitamin D and Zinc are known for their ability to slow down and regulate the immune response referring to overproduction of cytokines.

    So all this begs the question: if I, a mere peasant, can see the problem as outlined by numerous doctors as Covid-19 causing a Cytokine storm in the lungs, and could easily find research online indicating 1) Vitamin D3 and zinc have been shown to regulate the immune response(calm the storm), and 2) found several articles hinting that 70-80% of the world population is very deficient in vitamin D3 and zinc; then why isn’t the great Doctor Fauci instructing his charges(us) with this well documented information?

    I think you all know the answer to that…

    IMO, the first thing that should happen when someone goes to the Doctor or hospital is their vitamin D and zinc levels should be checked. Remember, they know most people’s are low and they know how critical they are to a healthy immune system.

    I wonder how many people with adequate levels have had to be hospitalized for Covid-19? I’ve searched for this kind of data, but I can’t find it. Aren’t they recording this?

    Trump should force them all into recording this data.

    The article I refer to below was written about common colds but it goes into explaining how people sometimes get pneumonia from the cytokine overreaction, like what is happening with Covid-19.


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    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      That and high dose intravenous Vit C has had very promising results in fighting the cytokine overreaction-which is more commonly known as septic shock syndrome or sepsis. Also melatonin is supposed to help.


  35. Patchman2076 says:

    Just read Shay’s rebellion again, wow what a difference between our forefathers and us today.


  36. Terra Rayner says:

    I never got a vibe from him of being trustworthy….everytime he is asked about the hydroxy chloroquine studies he blows them off! He needs removed from the task force and Trump to follow his gut!


  37. Eric W. says:

    There are lots of honest and smart people on here so I just want to share my theory on what is going on with the political side of this virus. First, I think it is wrong to assume that the leftists had any foreknowledge of the impact of the virus on the U.S. until shortly after Trump’s call on the travel ban to/from China on the 31st of January. They started winging it from that point, because, prior to that and for a couple weeks after, it was impeachment that had their attention. It took them a while to see how they could opportunistically capitalize on the virus, with the first notion coming to them of “let’s wreck this economy”! (by draconian lockdowns). They thought Trump would fight them more on it, and they could respond to that by accusing him of being cold-hearted and willing to “kill grandma for the almighty dollar”. Now that the economy is destroyed the left is still uneasy about this translating to hatred for the President because everyone knows that it was not due to the failure of economic policies but simply the result of intentionally hitting the OFF button due to the virus. Who can you blame for that? nobody.

    So now I think they have finally settled on their next big move. There is going to be a nasty, nasty war over the re-start of the economy. Trump will want to re-start most of the non-hotspot areas on May 1st and the medical advisors, Democrats in congress (along with Romney, all Democrat governors, the media, the intelligence community, other world leaders, the WHO, the UN, and you-name-it will be screaming at the top of their lungs that Donald Trump is crazy! Get ready for as extreme as an emotional display as you have ever seen on the news and internet. Gov. Whitmer in Michigan is probably practicing her crying skills right now. ABC, CNN, NBC etc… are working on the Hollywood grade visuals and background music as we speak. The Washington Post is settling on the perfect new byline to replace “Democracy dies in Darkness”. If I am right, this is going to be like a dozen annual fourth-of-july fireworks shows all packed into one hour! This is going to be the show of all shows, and they will whip up the frenzy so high that it may turn into riots and violence in the streets because the public is extremely vulnerable right now but even more so by May.

    Quick question: if the President says go ahead and return to normal activity, but several governors refuse, what does the President do to address that situation? Does he arrest the governor, or send in troops? The last time something like that took place, Abraham Lincoln was president. My guess is that citizens of that state will need to openly violate state law to support the President and fill up all the jails until the governor cries uncle. There will be thousands of pardons needed then.

    In short, they want to momentarily suspend rationality, to destroy it. In a brief period of a couple days/weeks of absolute emotion and hatred, the deep state could get away with just about anything, maybe even putting President Trump under arrest for some b.s. charge. Short of that, the whole episode will leave almost every American traumatized and depressed, which will provide a cover story to facilitate the various efforts to cheat on the election. This is now the third hoax, with Russia the first and impeachment the second. I’m not saying the virus is a hoax I am saying they are using the virus as an opportunity to create a pseudo-event. This is their last shot.

    If I am right and this starts happening I think the best response would be the following three steps: 1)Turn off all media and read a nice book. 2)Donate an affordable sum to the Presidential re-election campaign. 3)Pray. Campaign donations are closely monitored so the message gets sent to the Democrats, and ignoring the media is how you truly hurt them. If nobody is out fighting with Antifa it will get boring fast or they will have to stage a fake fight among themselves which will look even more stupid than watching a genuine Antifa fight.

    Thanks for reading,

    Eric W.


    • Eric W. says:

      Just to add a couple more things here. I think Trump is aware of this danger of a huge fight over the re-start, and he also does not completely trust Fauci and the med. team. By extending the lock-down to the end of the month, he has bought time to put a solid, scientific case together which supports his call, and also time for the peak to come and go in the current hotspots. In other words, New York will be way past the peak by May 1. I can tell he has a strategy to deal with the “resistance”. I have no clue if the left’s alleged plan will work or not because on one hand, these are the dumbasses that plotted the Russia hoax and Ukraine phone call hoax, but on the other hand, the country is under an enormous amount of stress and are therefore more susceptible to being manipulated.

      Eric W.


      • Silver Sunday says:

        Eric – I found your post to be helpful. Especially “they want to momentarily suspend rationality, to destroy it. In a brief period of a couple days/weeks of absolute emotion and hatred, the deep state could get away with just about anything,”
        True. People are first now starting to question (as we can see by the home grown journalists out and about filming hospitals and asking questions) the reliability of what we are hearing and being told. Also even for us with this information and doubt, it is still difficult to think rationally because yes all the virus stuff (fear, anxiety, mortality) is so frightening, that you are afraid to doubt just in case.
        I imagine people at my funeral because I, G-d forbid, died of the virus talking amongst themselves. “she was a doubter, and look what happened to her.”

        I am worried that end of April may be too far away and the destruction of everything and everyone other than COVID -19 will have gone too far.
        Agreed, Trump is going to have the fight of his life on his hands, and it is going to be excruciating to witness. I think he has to do something by Next Sunday.
        That is my prediction. He is going to announce something on Easter Sunday.


        • Eric W. says:

          Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think we can make it to the end of the month and I strongly think Trump is going to stick to the April 30th date – no sooner or later regardless of the pressure from either side. I am lucky enough to still be working so I know it’s easy for me to say that. I really feel terrible for those who are out of work right now.

          I agree he will speak on Easter, but it will be to uplift the people and reaffirm the April 30th end to the lock-down except for hotspots. New York will be well on the decline by then and probably will NOT be a hotspot (I think it might have peaked on Saturday statewide, but too early to call yet). I don’t doubt that the Chinese virus is real any more than I doubt normal influenza. I just think that the data is beginning to show that it is only about twice as deadly as normal flu (.2% to .3% Ncov2 vs. .1% influenza), and probably was here since November. If the Democrats were really and truly scared of this thing they would NOT be putting so much effort into stoking fear and using this to score points on Trump. Cuomo, Schumer, and Pelosi already know this virus is something to exploit before it fizzles out on them.

          Eric W.


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