A Record 6.6 Million Americans File Unemployment Claims…

The Department of Labor (DOL) released the unemployment claims data [pdf available here] showing a record 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week due to the coronavirus shut-down.

The 6.6 million claims are double the 3.3 million who made claims last week. Jobless/Unemployment claims, a data-point for layoffs, shows how many workers lose jobs and apply for temporary financial assistance.  It is unknown how many people may be re-hired or retained by the rescue funds within the CARES Act.  This process is only just beginning.

WASHINGTON, DC Secretary of Labor Eugene Scalia issued the following statement regarding Unemployment Insurance claims:

“Similar to last week’s unemployment claims numbers, today’s report reflects the sacrifices American workers are making for their families, neighbors, and country in order to ‘slow the spread.’

The Administration continues to act quickly to address this impact on American workers. That includes a rule the Labor Department adopted yesterday to implement the paid leave provisions of the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, and the Department’s work with the States to make available the enhanced unemployment benefits provided in the CARES Act, which the President signed last week.

That legislation also contains significant incentives for businesses to retain workers and continue paying them, which will put businesses and workers in a better position to resume work and re-boot the economy once the virus is contained.” (link)

About six percent of the U.S. labor force has now filed for jobless benefits over the past two weeks.  The average was less than 0.3% at the end of February.  The coronavirus shut-down is having a severe impact on an ever-growing share of the economy.

The unemployment virus is worse inside the restaurant, hospitality, retail, trade and construction segments.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin previously announced that small businesses (0 to 500 employees) and sole proprietorships can start applying for the coronavirus relief funds on April 3rd. One week later, April 10th, self-employed individuals, 1099 contractors and s-corps can apply. [Visit SBA.gov/coronavirus]

[pdf link available here]

WASHINGTON – Following President Trump’s signing of the historic Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act, SBA Administrator Jovita Carranza and Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin today announced that the SBA and Treasury Department have initiated a robust mobilization effort of banks and other lending institutions to provide small businesses with the capital they need.

The CARES Act establishes a new $349 billion Paycheck Protection Program. The Program will provide much-needed relief to millions of small businesses so they can sustain their businesses and keep their workers employed.

“This legislation provides small business job retention loans to provide eight weeks of payroll and certain overhead to keep workers employed,” said Secretary Mnuchin.

“Treasury and the Small Business Administration expect to have this program up and running by April 3rd so that businesses can go to a participating SBA 7(a) lender, bank, or credit union, apply for a loan, and be approved on the same day. The loans will be forgiven as long as the funds are used to keep employees on the payroll and for certain other expenses.”

“This unprecedented public-private partnership is going to assist small businesses with accessing capital quickly. Our goal is to position lenders as the single point-of-contact for small businesses – the application, loan processing, and disbursement of funds will all be administered at the community level,” said Administrator Carranza.

“Speed is the operative word; applications for the emergency capital can begin as early as this week, with lenders using their own systems and processes to make these loans. We remain committed to supporting our nation’s more than 30 million small businesses and their employees, so that they can continue to be the fuel for our nation’s economic engine.”

The new loan program will help small businesses with their payroll and other business operating expenses. It will provide critical capital to businesses without collateral requirements, personal guarantees, or SBA fees – all with a 100% guarantee from SBA.

All loan payments will be deferred for six months. Most importantly, the SBA will forgive the portion of the loan proceeds that are used to cover the first eight weeks of payroll costs, rent, utilities, and mortgage interest.

The Paycheck Protection Program is specifically designed to help small businesses keep their workforce employed. Visit SBA.gov/Coronavirus for more information on the Paycheck Protection Program.

  • The new loan program will be available retroactive from Feb. 15, 2020, so employers can rehire their recently laid-off employees through June 30, 2020.

Loan Terms & Conditions

  • Eligible businesses: All businesses, including non-profits, Veterans organizations, Tribal concerns, sole proprietorships, self-employed individuals, and independent contractors, with 500 or fewer employees, or no greater than the number of employees set by the SBA as the size standard for certain industries
  • Maximum loan amount up to $10 million
  • Loan forgiveness if proceeds used for payroll costs and other designated business operating expenses in the 8 weeks following the date of loan origination (due to likely high subscription, it is anticipated that not more than 25% of the forgiven amount may be for non-payroll costs)
  • All loans under this program will have the following identical features:
    • Interest rate of 0.5%
    • Maturity of 2 years
    • First payment deferred for six months
    • 100% guarantee by SBA
    • No collateral
    • No personal guarantees
    • No borrower or lender fees payable to SBA

Visit treasury.gov/cares for more information on SBA’s assistance to small businesses.

Get your paperwork together now, contact your local bank and make an appointment. You will need one year of expenses and payroll records. You can apply at your current (FDIC insured) bank. Treasury will use the FDIC system to mitigate lender risk. This means you can receive those funds deposited on the same day you apply.

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172 Responses to A Record 6.6 Million Americans File Unemployment Claims…

  1. Jason Ross says:

    This is the last attempt to take out the President. Period. Full stop.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Alli says:

      I don’t agree
      Communist never ever stop
      Democrat leadership take their orders from Communist China . I am serious we have an ugly foothold in our country.

      Liked by 8 people

    • cjzak says:

      You seriously think that? After all we’ve watched them do over the last 4 years? I really hope you are correct but I will never believe they will stop ever, if this disaster doesn’t get them what they want. Be ever vigilant is my new motto.

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      • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

        This is a last attempt to take out freedoms. It’s time we start acting like adults and thank President Trump for being in the right place at the right time.

        The actual document…

        Click to access sg_report_socio-economic_impact_of_covid19.pdf

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        • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

          I hate that I can’t post PDF’s so click the ‘Document’ link, it takes you right to the PDF.

          https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/01/un-calls-for-global-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic-158875

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        • cjzak says:

          There are only so many adults around it seems, not many on the left, and they are now occupied with trying to keep their lives somewhat normal while facing the biggest uncertainties for their future since WW2. We surely thank PT for being here and standing strong for us He has one huge decision staring him in the face right now and if it goes the wrong way no matter what he decides to do, he will have a catastrophe on his hands that will be his legacy. Pray hard to God that all goes the right way because our very lives–all of us–depend on that.

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        • KnowSERENoFear says:

          You do understand that our freedoms come from the Devine and no man can take them. The only way to lose your freedom is to give it away.

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          • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

            What’s your point?
            Because from my years of studying human history, freedoms were always given up easily.
            Patriot act, TSA, 4th amendment, the list is long here and still growing.
            It used to be God, Man then government but now it’s Government, man and way, way down somewhere in there is god.

            ÉTIENNE DE LA BOÉTIE said it best…
            https://www.constitution.org/la_boetie/serv_vol.htm

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            • Shirley says:

              Perhaps the American citizens should be more careful as to whom they vote for, Stop putting these scum back into office and get out and vote and that includes for the midterms also. Do some research on any new candidates also, The American people also must start demanding voter ID and going back to what the elections uses to be. PAPER BALLOTS because the DEMS cheat big time and the REP never challenge them.

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          • lgstarr says:

            Andy?

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        • Bendix says:

          Gee, where have we heard “shared responsibility” before?
          Wasn’t it for some sort of fine that was later struck down as unConstitutional?

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      • Elizabeth Raynor Short says:

        I agree. Look at all of the military already deployed on a war footing that we know about and think about what we don’t know that we don’t know. I believe this is the begining of the fight to the death between Trump’s nationalists and the evil socialists-globalists The most dangerous faction is the socialists-globalists embedded in Defense, State, and Justice as well as intelligence agency traitors.

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        • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

          Besides who they are and what they are attempting

          Page 14
          2. Resist the temptation to resort to protectionist measures
          This is the moment to dismantle trade barriers, maintain open trade, and re-establish supply chains. Tariff and non-tariff measures as well as export bans, especially those imposed on medicinal and related products, would slow countries’ action to contain the virus. Import taxes or restrictions on medical supplies need to be waived.

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    • adam says:

      Let’s not forget the rest of the world is suffering because of this virus, too. My thinking keeps moving toward China as an aggressor in this case – you know, the virus doesn’t have to be “engineered,” it can just be discovered, grown and released to cause the same effect(s). My tinfoil hat must be tight because it seems this shut down the entire world economy … except for China. Go figure.

      This is predominantly killing older people. Don’t kid yourselves – Europe has lots of pensioners that are expensive to maintain and I’m too old and too cynical not to think their powers-that-be aren’t quietly enjoying this “purging.”

      Is this an attack against USA/Trump? No, this is saber-rattling from China but the difficulty is avoiding all-out war, which lots of people want (remember, they didn’t get their N Korean war).

      We’ll survive THIS virus and we’ve learned a lot about how to address this the next time, so the dividends will pay out for a long time. It seems something is happening in Central America – a false flag attack against the Panama Canal would invoke the Monroe Doctrine and cause HORRIBLE havoc. The virus was just a shit-disturbing skirmish compared to what might happen.

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      • Raptors2020 says:

        The growth of the bureaucratic state has created a huge subset of people who truly don’t understand the concept of life and death matters. With college degrees in gender studies or sociology, they shuffle paper all day, and vote Democrat. Or people who work in the education matrix, and earn far more than preceding generations of educators, while promoting dilettante leftism. And, of course, voting Democrat.

        And Democrat politicians of unspeakable vapidity, who think all problems can ameliorated, if not solved, by throwing money at them. Politicians, on both sides, who can see no further, and think no deeper, than winning the next election.

        But we are now in life and death territory, many Rubicons have already been crossed, and we can’t go back. The damage to the economy can’t be erased, never mind the many precious lives lost. As in wartime, people have died because of mistakes by the leadership, and those leaders must find a way to rationalize their mistakes, and go on.

        Pearl Harbor was a mistake, by FDR, by the generals and admirals, and they had to go on.
        In wartime, the choate goal of victory is achievable. Defining victory here is far more elusive. I submit the Hippocratic pledge of first do no harm has been sadly overlooked here. Burning down the house to remove the termites was never an option.

        Cuomo made the inane assertion that saving one life makes all his efforts worthwhile.
        It doesn’t. We are suffering hugely in an anthropomorphic attempt to save the lives of elderly, sick people. Secular leftism is based on Nietzsche’s infamous assertion that God is dead, and man becomes God.

        The power of life and death, outside of the criminal, remains God’s.

        A little Christian humility is long overdue here, and sorely needed.

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    • Last attempt? No way, they haven’t burnt it to the ground, yet!

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    • paulashley says:

      Worse than that, it’s an attempt to take out America for the final fundamental transformation. The left isn’t even hiding it.

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    • Ootenvault says:

      What makes you think it will be the last attempt?

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      • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

        For anyone who has ever studied sociopaths, this is a last attempt at control. The final attempt is violence! We are in the final stages right now.

        President Trump is trying to handle this diplomatically, but for anyone who’s ever dealt with a sociopath knows full well, diplomacy never works.

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    • Niagara Frontier says:

      They will not stop until January 20, 2025. That’s the last day President Trump can legally hold the office.

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      • VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

        Then maybe we push ‘Vote by Mail’ in 2025 and we switch roles, vote and vote often for Trump, lol….

        Europe looks to Federalize, then move into digital currency, something Pelosi through Maxine Waters was attempting but all everyone talked about was the Kennedy center and pay raises. What most did not see was the bait and switch from the Uni-party, it’s loaded with crap starting on 600 all the way to the end.

        Watch what happens when businesses start realizing they don’t need to renew their commercial leases because they are learning they are doing just fine with everyone working from home. This is so much bigger than the CV.

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        • modspell says:

          I believe architecture and social engineering is about to get a huge reset…we’ve never encountered such an upheaval before and it will change everyday living.

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    • helix35 says:

      A cynical person might think all of this is deliberate.

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    • YouReallyDon'tWantToMessWithMe says:

      I would proxy that 95% of these people (who have done an absolutely
      TERRIBLE job of securing their individual futures — IDIOTS!) voted wacko, Leftist Democrat in the last election.

      Anybody who is NOW declaring for unemployment benefits is clearly a totally irresponsible, Obama/Hillary-voting individual.

      Either those poor Democrat-led slobs didn’t get enough education in a field that would allow them to make a decent living (hell, why in the f..k didn’t they become an electrician or a plumber).

      Or else they had no clue how to approximate a family budget (thank you, Dem teachers’ association),so they had too many children, ones that the idiots could not afford).

      What kind of Leftist idiots don’t get appropriate education for themselves, or don’t use appropriate birth control?

      God, are 95% of American Leftists totally idiotic, and as totally DUMB as Barack and HIll?

      Well, we know that the answer to that question is an unquestionably, “YES.”

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  2. Trump Train says:

    False, until these traitors are held accountable by trial, jail and execution it will never stop

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  3. Lovearepublican says:

    This is ridiculous. Open it up. Let’s go.

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  4. helmhood says:

    There is a great Scripture verse from Isaiah 8:10

    “Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted; propose your plan, but it will not stand, for God is with us.”

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  5. just print more money problem solved

    I mean no one actually thinks the debt is ever going to be repaid

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  6. lawton says:

    POTUS has to start calling for things to be opened up some by 4/15 or the Senate may even be lost. 6 months after this ends independent voters won’t care who was the cause of this economic depression they will just vote by their bad economic situation in early Nov. 2020. If the Democrat Governors want to stay locked down after 4/15 let them own it in those states then.

    This could be like when Bush lost in 1992 after crazy ratings for Desert Storm. Independents have short memories and POTUS will pay the price if he lets the globalist crooks talk him into taking this all the way until 4/30.

    The Dems want the economy totally crashed for this reason.

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    • tax2much says:

      The President could open everything today and the public will stay away. Fear is a big motivator.

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      • lawton says:

        Not imo – half the people want things opened now and about another 1/5 probably just want sensible restrictions – not no-work lockdowns that don’t even help the situation more.

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      • Akindole says:

        Look no further than Sweden for an example of what would happen; a reduction of activity by some, overall business a usual…at this point. A prime test of herd immunity.

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      • Lady in Red says:

        In some areas, yes. But not everywhere. Eventually, those staying away would come around as they see everyone else going on with their lives.

        Liked by 1 person

      • bullnuke says:

        People want to work. I guess I’m in the risk group because of my age. Rather the economy come back while I sit at home. I think a lot of older people feel that way. Common sense seems to be lacking. Elites are using this as a power grab.

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    • James says:

      I am sure glad you are a majority of one,so keep up the good work.

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    • Ozark says:

      Get the economy going again as quickly as possible and I’ll bet these claims start to fall just as fast as they went up.

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  7. thedoc00 says:

    The Social Security Trust fund is going to take a major hit as well, as those who left Social Security Disability for real work will return and then some. Under Obama, there were record numbers on the disability roles being paid by Social Security who had not contributed a dime.

    Wife and I made a visit to the local Social Security Office in McKinney, Texas. One could count on 1-hand the number of folks there who were US Citizens there to collect retirement benefits. The rest were foreigners (legal and illegal) looking for hand-out or the young there to collect disability.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      Same goes for the “specialist” with whom we met to ask questions. English was NOT their native language and they insulted my wife and for collecting Social Security as rich white folks.

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    • if you have built your financial future on Social Security then you have a world of hurt coming your way.

      The social security trust fund doesn’t exist its not illegals that are the problem its people who voted republican/democrat back In the 80’s when the government lied about saving social security.

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      • thedoc00 says:

        It does exist (I may have misnamed it) and is linked to the US Federal Fund. Congress (both parties) have used it as a piggy bank, replacing funds they borrowed with worthless US Government IOU’s. Plus immigrants and disabled have been drawing funds off it for a very long time. The fund as established would be just fine if not for all the abuses to its intent since inception. Sadly, tax payers are on the hook to fund it due to the abuses foisted on it by the Federal Government.

        The draw down vs number of payers argument is a myth and lame excuse to cover the abuses of the fund over the years.

        You are absolutely correct about the folks who count on it to cover their retirement. It never ceases to amaze me the number of folks who actually believed and still believe it does. Even though on the Social Security web site and even the original legislation it was point blank stated, Social Security is an augmentation to ones retirement.

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        • Tax payers are not paying the IOU’s.

          We will print money via bonds purchased by the federal reserve since no sane human being would or should buy US bonds they are junk bonds and we are going to default on them.

          Thats why I love president Trump he under stand’s bankruptcy.

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          • thedoc00 says:

            Those bonds are/were the IOU’s used by Congress and they pay interest rates far below market value ROI. Market value ROI would have easily covered costs and then some, especially if all the borrowed money was still present in the fund.

            Who the heck do you think pays back those bonds??? It’s the tax payer.

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            • you do realize we are running budget deficits right?
              you also realize that we will be running ever increasing budget deficits for ever up till the point we default.

              So to answer your question we pay back bonds by issuing more bonds, this continues until it doesn’t then we default.

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      • ewreck1967 says:

        Those two words cannot be used in the same sentence without laughter.

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    • James says:

      You make it sound easy to jump on and off the disability SS train,I do not think it is that easy.

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      • thedoc00 says:

        Actually it is that easy to jump on and off the disability train.

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        • Diabolik says:

          No it is NOT. Unless you are missing limbs, you will be denied until you have an attorney appeal the results. Then it is a 2.5 year backlog you must wait for. If you don’t know the facts, shut your face hole.

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          • thedoc00 says:

            Wrong again, disability as defined does not require missing limbs and there are even many varieties of temporary disability to sue in order to draw Social Security disability.
            I seriously doubt your backlog claim as well as there were actually record number drawing funds just 3 short years ago.

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            • booger71 says:

              Correct…if you get a lawyer and doctor who know the system, it is not that difficult. I knew one person who got it for being anxious of leaving his house, but he was eventually caught by his own stupidity.

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          • ewreck1967 says:

            Can I get disability if someone damages my face hole but I’m not missing limbs? Your facts are 10x a lame just because you’re a condescending ace hole.

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          • JT says:

            The attorney is paid his fee before his client receives his accrual check.
            Last I recall it was 25% of what is owed his client but the fee was not to exceed $5000.

            It also seemed back then that almost every disability claim was initially denied. Then you started to see the perpetual advertising by lawyers on TV who vowed to get you your benefits.

            The SSA trust funds were only paper entries. If there was a surplus of SSA tax monies not paid out in benefits those extra funds were used by the treasury and an IOU placed in the ‘”fund.” Those extra funds were used to fight WW2, Korea, build the interstates and a whole lot more.

            The first person to receive a social security check (shown on those old Movietone newsreels) was paid in 1939(?) and lived until the mid-1970’s. Paid maybe $100 in ssa taxes, if that, which of course was matched by her employer. From 1937 until 1950 the SSA tax was just 1% of your earnings and this was capped at a max of $3000 or $30 max tax a year by both employee and employer’s matching.. If you made more than $3000 the SSA tax was not applied to the rest.

            Before 1975 the politicians used to buy votes by increasing benefit increases not tied to the cost=-of living. Examples: 13% 1968, 15% 1969, 10% 1971 and 20% 1972 and 11% in 1974. IN 1975 they tied it to inflation so that year it was less at only 8%. The inflation index has been manipulated to control and limit the increases they grant you..

            The system has suffered from NAFTA and the loss of good paying jobs to foreign cheap labor. This trend was being reversed the last few years. Apparently it had to be stopped.

            We have been cursed to live in interesting times.

            Be safe. Be well.

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    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      Thousands of refugees over the age of 65 are collecting SS benefits without ever paying a dime into the system. Permanent drain on the US taxpayer…

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      • Rileytrips says:

        Yes. In 1995 I had just married, and my husband had been transferred to Providence, RI by his employer. I went to the SS office to have my name changed on my SS card and the office was PACKED. You had to get a ticket and wait your turn. I had brought a book to read, but started noticing that every person called up had to have an interpreter come to translate. I looked around the room – all from other countries….except for an older African American guy back in a corner. He saw me looking, smiled, and said, “ Yeah, we the only American’s in here.”

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  8. paisans4trump says:

    This is insanity. Plain and simple.

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    • JohnCasper says:

      We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion (That China Flu is somewhere between the Spanish Flu of 1918 and the Black Death of Europe) , and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first.
      ― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

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  9. TreeClimber says:

    As sick as this makes us feel, it must be so so much worse to President Trump and his economic team. They worked so hard and got so far, only to have this crash down on their heads.

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  10. Will says:

    Said differently, that’s 2000 unemployed people for every US coronavirus death so far. Ridiculously high price to pay.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      Put another way, that is 2,000 ex-employed folks who went to work, taking a bigger risk of contracting some other more serious disease that has existed for ages on a daily basis , which science has not yet been able to tame.

      Or do have it wrong and all of life’s more serious maladies are on holiday because the Chines Virus is now on the job??

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  11. Ken Maritch says:

    What is the percentage of these claims are “service Jobs?”
    Not that it makes it any better, but I suspect that those jobs will come back quickly.

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    • chojun says:

      Even so, my concern is that many businesses are operating on razor-thin margins and profiting on volume – who may be just one or 2 steps ahead of their liabilities.

      If these businesses shut down and their creditors aren’t willing to work with them, then they won’t open back up and their employees are permanently out of the labor force.

      This shutdown is utter insanity and everything needs to be back up and running ASAP.

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    • paulashley says:

      Many resrtaurant jobs may not return because the businesses closed permanently.

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      • Mist'ears Mom says:

        Its not that easy to just up and close most businesses. It takes months of losses of a downward spiral and planning. Most responsible business owners will not close up and walk away from their inventories, equipment, brand & community business value, advertising, employees, leases and family income & support … just to name a few reasons to re-open after this debacle is over.
        Being closed for a few weeks and with this stimulus package for these businesses it won’t happen to those that weren’t already on the closing path or not operating legally. IMO

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    • so why didn’t we just bounce back after the Great Depression why did it take 15 years and a world war.

      The trouble with an economic collapse like this is that the moral hazard of government intervention and dependency. This is what made the great depression so bad.

      President Trump has already made it worse with the stimulus by paying unemployed people more money than they were earning at their job. Why would they go back if they are now earning more money.

      The latest bill makes everyone dependent on government, once that gravy starts rolling out of DC how do you stop it.

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      • junglee69 says:

        “President Trump has already made it worse with the stimulus by paying unemployed people more money than they were earning at their job. Why would they go back if they are now earning more money.”

        This.

        Also looks like the small business owners are not retaining the employees? The loan would be forgiven, if they retain these employees correct?. Or are the employees saying heck, we can get more money collecting unemployment here.

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        • Judith says:

          I don’t know about that special stimulus package, which is a separate thing, but Unemployment benefits are always less than the current paycheck, even in New York. If the work is there and you choose not to work, you don’t get unemployment either.

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          • wrong in the latest federal bill they have granted and extra $600 per week.

            So a person can make more, welcome to the moral hazard of government intervention.

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            • Judith says:

              Families First (FFCRA) is 2 weeks full or partially paid sick leave, depending on the reason for absence, at either the regular rate of pay or the applicable state minimum wage.

              And this only applies to employees of firms deemed small businesses (<500 employees). So it’s not more than your regular salary, unless you normally work for less than the minimum wage, which is illegal.

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              • Mac says:

                Many states still exempt restaurant service jobs from the state mandated minimum wage. Where it is not exempted, employers in these professions, often count gratuities as wages paid by the company. Now, the big problem is that a server working for an $8 minimum wage may be making as much as three or four times that in tips and gratuities, which goes unreported. And, gratuities are not guaranteed, as they are voluntary on the part of the customer. And, the less disposable income a customer has, the less the gratuity.

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    • David says:

      No, they’re not. Many people don’t realize the profound economic dislocation occurring at the moment. When almost 90% of a country is shut down and many businesses receiving little to no income is nothing short of a disaster. Our own government is forecasting unemployment of 40 to 50 million people – anywhere from about 25% to 33% unemployment. The GDP for the second quarter is being estimated at -20% to -30%. Just as a reference, the worst quarter during the depression was -12.4% and the unemployment rate averaged 25%.

      This will take years to fix. I don’t think we fully understand the economic calamity that is occurring. The news media will freely use the word depression and for once they will be correct.

      Trump is more than aware, but he has a tough balancing act. He can’t scream a depression is coming – he needs to keep confidence up and the belief that things will quickly come back because the country needs to keep positive. But this will be tough.

      Two-thirds of our economy is consumer driven and consumers spend when confidence is high. When there is economic anxiety and stress, consumers don’t spend even when they can afford to do so. Trump is trying to maintain that confidence.

      I’m glad Trump is in charge, but I don’t envy him at all.

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      • Dutchman says:

        I question that “almost 90% of the country is shut down, given the list of things that ARE designated as “essential” and so staying open.

        If 90% of our businesses are non essential, thats a LOT of fluff!

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        • David says:

          Just ponder a GDP loss of -30% or more in the third quarter. Focus on that and its ramifications for several minutes. Think of nothing else and the effect on every day life. Your response tells me many people really don’t understand what is truly occurring and what we are facing not far down the road.

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          • David says:

            I meant second quarter.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Worse than 2008 contraction? I doubt it. And, unlike 2008, with a quick recovery it comes roaring back.
            Actually, the contrast between this one and 2008, where Obummer choked any recovery, will be stark.
            O.k., since everyone else is, heres me venting:
            SINCE 2008, surveys show 75% of Americans have NO cushion.
            Paycheck to paycheck, if they lose their job, they are facing eviction, foreclosure, auto repossesion within short time frame.
            Have they learned NOTHING??!!
            Suzie Orman is probably the most,well known of many ‘financial advisors’ on tv, radio, christian radio etc. ALL saying the same thing.
            Do not incur new debt. Pay down old debt. Take 3 months and track your expences, so you KNOW how much your spending for food, shelter, transportation, etc.
            Evaluate how you can make small investments, that will LOWER that monthly amount, WITHOUT sacrificing life style, and in many cases actually improving it.

            When wife and I married in 2000, we set out to do this.
            We frankly saw no effect on our lives, from 2008 ‘crises’.

            Its not rocket science. Adjust your ‘outgo’ so its LESS than your income, and invest the difference, in things which will further lower the outgo.

            Build up a cushion, so you can weather the storm. Stockpile food, to a degree, as thats also part of your cushion.

            But most people haven’t even tracked expences for 3 mos., so they can compare income to outgo; they actually have no clue what their lifestyle costs, or whether they can ‘afford’ something, or not.

            Sundance tells us 50% of food is prepared outside the home; restaurants, fast food or ready to eat.
            My wife and I may treat ourselves, once a month or two, to a restaurant, although we could afford more often. So, in order for that 50% # to work, there must be a couple out their eating 100%, and the panic buying bare shelves shows it as well, as prepackaged and pre-prepared meals went first. The if you can boil water, you can cook it kind of stuff. Oh, and if you can read and follow simple instructions.

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          • Dutchman says:

            The most expensive food is from a restsurant, where the food itself is actually the smallest cost.
            Next is pre-prepared, like the spegetti dinner in a box.

            Frankly, the same principle, of having a cushion, or reserve applies to businesses, as well.
            To operate a business, without SOME reserve, in order to sustain the business through a contraction is just as irresponsible as operating your household finances without a budget, actually spending MORE than your making, and covering the difference with robbing peter/paying paul, and credit card with balance only payments, and stress.

            It doesn’t have to be that way.
            Nor do you have to make terrible sacrifices. In most cases, its a matter of making intelligent choices, that actually IMPROVE,your quality of life, instead of impulse buying, and worry about how you’ll pay for it, later.
            I want to be sympathetic, to those who are stressing because they are sitting home,with no income,…but frankly I have MY limits.

            For those who are not “vulnerables” or living with those,who are vulnerables,….ADAPT.
            Lots of jobs are working 24 hr shifts; stocking shelves, truck drivers, etc.

            Beyond that, the info is out there on how to get control over your finances, live within your means, enjoy life more, with less stress.

            Why people would choose to live any other way frankly baffles me.

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  12. Snow White says:

    PT needs to stop this insanity. Are we going to shut down everything when someone has sniffles going forward? I’ve had enough and I’m a pretty patient person. People need to go back to work. If this continues, PT could lose the election and that’s exactly what these globalists scumbags and the chicoms want. And Fauci needs to go, he is a big pharma shill who cares nothing about people, only his own pocket. CDC is an absolute joke, evil to the core.

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    • lawton says:

      Yep the WHO and CDC are in on these globalist attempts to take down Trump and stop these populist movements in the West.

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    • James says:

      Fairy tales,to whom,Snow White “PT could lose the election “

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    • James says:

      John Solomon
      @jsolomonReports
      ·
      4h
      Virus nixes President Trump’s stadium rallies, so his campaign has turned to virtual rallies on digital TV where it is drawing millions of viewers.

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    • mostlyogauge says:

      Snow, please chill. Everyone needs to stop, take a step back, take a deep breath, and try to relax. President Trump has got this. He is playing the hand he was dealt, and is playing it brilliantly. He is slowly boxing all the resisters in the gummint into a box. President Trump always owns the downside to everything. I have faith in God and in President Trump; we are going to get through this. There is a LOT more information that our VSGPDJT has that we don’t have. Yes, this is a very scary time, but nothing the bad guys have tried so far has worked. NOTHING. I have faith that everything they try will end in the same result. President Trump will be elected in November. The economy will come roaring back. We will be much better off this time next year. We’re in this together and we’ll come out of this together. President’s Trump message the other day was what we needed; he wants to give us hope. I have hope.

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  13. XO says:

    As I have said many times, the government doesn’t grant freedom. It can only take it away.

    Open the country. Isolate only the most vulnerable. Let the rest of us defeat the Chinese virus.

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  14. delighteddeplorable says:

    Earlier this week in a briefing, President Trump told us we’re in for some rough days ahead. I think this meteoric rise in unemployment claims is part of what he was talking about. It’s going to get much rockier before it gets better, but it WILL get better. We’re in uncharted waters and thank God we have a leader with true compassion, extraordinary business acumen and genuine love for our country. Once again – cometh the man, cometh the hour – in ways unimaginable just a few weeks ago.

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  15. paulashley says:

    Mark Levin made an interesting, if not frightening, point a few days ago, remarking that all these government loans will crowd out the private market, possibly causingvsmaller banks to close, and also make a large number of businesses beholden to the government. I think there’s an “ism” for that.

    And I continue to be frustrated that pols, including Trump, seem to value the lives of a minority of citizens who may perish over the vastly larger majority who are suffering in other ways and may quite possibly inherit a world they neither voted for not want. Trump needs to make a choice NOW. April 30 is a lifetime away.

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    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      My sister who works in a bank (still having to show up for work) in CA told me yesterday that they have all now been turned into loan processing agents. She was in new accounts but no one is opening any new accounts so now she’s processing loan applications.
      People are flocking in to apply for these ‘free’ no-payback loans including the Veterinary clinic across the street from the bank which has been open everyday since this ‘shut down has begun’. They applied for this no-payback loan.
      I don’t know about you but my vet charges more than my doctor so I have a lot of misgivings about this program. The fraud will be massive.

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  16. California Joe says:

    Sacrifice for what when 80% of the deaths in NYC were elderly people with severe underlying medical conditions like cancer, lung disease, liver disease and heart disease. We’re not talking about simply pre-existing conditions rather people over 80 and on death’s doorstep already with a terminal illness. For the NYC Health Department to admit that statistics says a lot. We’re destroying America by going along with the sham. President Trump should demand to see the facts about the medical conditions that make up the CDC Coronavirus cases!

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/01/nyc-health-department-overwhelming-majority-of-coronavirus-deaths-involve-underlying-conditions/

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    • yadent says:

      As of this AM, NYC is reporting 1397 COVID-19 deaths with 1046 having definite underlying medical conditions, 333 pending underlying medical conditions, and only 18 without any known underlying conditions. Of those 65 and older, only 3, THREE, had no underlying conditions.
      The only people who should be under “shelter in place” orders are those with one or more of the listed medical conditions; nobody else has any reason to be so-constrained. Everyone who has such a condition knows they do. OPEN THIS ECONOMY UP!!!!

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      • Rynn69 says:

        yadent: Yes, yes, yes! Voice of reason.

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      • Mist'ears Mom says:

        and those 3 without underlying medical conditions probably got something in the hospital that killed them! Over 110,000 people a year die from something they got in the hospital…
        Ventilators for one are dangerous …

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        • Judith says:

          Catheters are another. Next thing you got a UTI or other infection at the site. And endoscopes introduce bacteria ias well. Staph infections are almost de rigeour. They’re drug resistant. It’s impossible NOT to pick one up in hospitals these days.

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          • Mist'ears Mom says:

            So right. Thousands are dying form all kinds of reasons, hospitals are cesspools of germs. Doctors & hospitals are not God.

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          • Judith says:

            That’s why hospitals add Azythromycin to the drug regimen. By the time a patient presents in ICU with this devastating lung infection, it’s all downhill from there. Every Superbug in the hospital makes a beeline for that patient.

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      • BuckNutGuy says:

        We need to hammer the whitehouse and media with these FACTS! Please email the white house. I don’t do twitter, but this in the hands of a large “influencer” (Bongino, Levin, Owens, etc) will help to get it out. We need to UP the pressure on all levels of Gov’t to stop riding the Fauci train.

        This is our call to action, Treepers! Lets make it happen like we have done before!

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      • ETCM(SS) USN E9 Retired says:

        I agree with you yadent, and I believe the government needs to take a serious look at your approach…the bottom line is…this nasty virus is extremely unfriendly to a selective portion of the population….I am over 60 but in good shape, same with wifey….but I would park it if necessary…I support this approach to kick start the economy. Define a 10 ten day period to monitor the data and make adjustments at it’s conclusion….. 🙂

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  17. notvicchanko says:

    Can I get some help from the Treepers with interpreting the IHME model projections that are apparently being widely quoted? Here is a link to the live model: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
    If I select ‘New York State’ it appears to show a total of about 13,000 total hospital bed and 718 ICU beds for the State. But according to The NY Times 3 weeks ago (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-hospitals.html) there are about 53,000 beds total and 3,200 ICU beds in NY State. Could the model be that wrong about actual, not projected, resource counts? If so, what does that imply for their overall reliability?

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    • Rynn69 says:

      There is only one piece of data Americans should believe – the mortality rate per State. And that number, that mortality rate per State, must be CONFIRMED COVID-19 cases – not presumed – and it also must have qualifiers of how many in that number had terminal illnesses, immunosuppressed systems, or co-morbidities that may have been the actual COD.

      All other data is total guesstimates and can be skewed. Think about political polls. Same thing here. No different.

      Why would we believe politicized agencies of the government – because we all know they have been politicized and people who politicized them are not paying a price for it – would not skew data like they do polls?

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    • lawton says:

      Even their adjusted down new numbers are coming in way lower than their claims.

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    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      You want help-its a freaking MODEL…they are guessing.

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      • notvicchanko says:

        Yes, I understand modeling and I don’t trust them for a second. My question was not about models in general, I was pointing out what looks to me like a sloppy error in a couple of data points that are in fact INPUTS to the model. The number of beds is a known value that can be verified.
        I was just asking for some more eyeballs on it in case I am just misinterpreting the graph.

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        • Mist'ears Mom says:

          no worries I was being sarcastic in a way…you are right it should be obvious and without question. I believe they want it as confusing as it can be so the sheeple will remain in a constant state of fear and paranoia.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Wondering if the difference could involve the adding in of the hospital ship, 1000 beds IIRC, the building of the hospital at Javits center, and the smaller field hospitals set up by military?

          So, one would THINK the # of beds would be static, but not in this instance?
          Just a guess,..

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    • California Joe says:

      The only interpretation you need is IHME is 100% owned, operated and funded by The Bill Gates Foundation in Seattle! For President Trump to allow Fauci and Brix to use IHME for Coronavirus projections is insane!

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    • crasey says:

      Good question. If you click on the “circled i” next to Hospital Resource Use the information in the box says “All beds available is the total number of hospital beds available for COVID patients minus the average historical bed use.” Also the accompanying paper describes the model and the data sources used in more detail. Hope that helps….

      FWIW all these models are like the spaghetti models used during hurricane season in that they will continue to change with each new run as we get closer to landfall or in this case peak infection. They always fit the past perfectly while their future projections vary widely the farther you look to the future. The trend is always more useful than the pinpoint details. IOW we’re all in the cone for the next few weeks.

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      • notvicchanko says:

        Ah! That makes more sense. I’m using an Apple iPad and that “circled I” doesn’t work when I rap it. Probable is a Java object and will not run on my machine. Thanks.

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        • Rileytrips says:

          Crasey, so you are saying that in the IHME model it states that “ALL beds available” is EQUAL to beds available ONLY to Covid19 patients – MINUS the “average historical bed use”??
          How is that a useful or a correct data set, since ALL hospitals have cleared out every patient possible in this crisis?! No outpatient surgeries, only emergency surgeries – heck, you can’t even get a biopsy for cancer right now! Everything has been put off to a much later date to clear out as many hospital beds as possible. Orthopedic surgeons are bored and apparently singing songs on Instagram currently.
          So….there is no “average historical bed use” in place right now. The IHME model is faulty.

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  18. Merle Marks says:

    As a small business owner, I am seeing firsthand, while we save the employees, there will be no employers for them to go back to…are we going to shut the country every time there is a new strain of a virus?

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  19. Rynn69 says:

    The economy has to be opened back up. The CDC posts 4,513 deaths from COVID-19, which it does not explain how this number is arrived. Were the patients included in that number confirmed to have COVID-19 or presumed? They are using presumed data in case reporting. Did the person have co-morbidities that was the primary COD? Even with that, this is a country of 300+ million. This is beyond overreaction and cannot be sustained.

    The term “social distancing” is being used cleverly to invoke fear and to be used as a reason why employees cannot go back to work. It is insane and total BS. People need to wake up to this very, very, very soon.

    Social distancing? Really? Why 6 feet? Do we think staying 6 feet away from a person is going to prevent anything? Think about it. Yes, if a person has a PRODUCTIVE cough and something can be spread by airborne droplets it is best to keep distance. And what has been published on COVID-19 indicates it is showing symptoms of a NON-PRODUCTIVE cough. Did we social distance with HIV? Did we social distance with H1N1? Did we convert entire businesses into paging overhead to “social distance”? No. No, we did not. It is far worse to touch a dirty telephone, credit card swiper in the supermarket, or gas pump handle and then touch your face, nose, or mouth. The bottom line – social distancing is not a requirement to not work. In all cases following CDC guidelines is what is put in place, NOT forced separation. This is forced separation for something totally unproven. Keeping distance is a given for any person that is ill with a virus or bacterial infection.

    It is a pandemic. It is a serious issue that is happening in the world. Not saying it is not. What I am saying is that we are causing a more serious issue to keep an economy off line for something that can be focus contained. Dumb.

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    • Angus D says:

      Worldwide:
      1,000,000 documented cases = >5,000,000 actual cases
      31,000 dead

      Mortality rate = 0.62% NOT A PANDEMIC

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      • yadent says:

        And who knows if they died DUE to COVID-19 or WITH it present.

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      • Rynn69 says:

        Angus D: Absolutely great point. I stand corrected. 🙂

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      • @Angus D —-

        The word “pandemic” does not describe the lethality of a disease. It only indicates that a disease has gone global. PAN=everywhere. DEMIC – as in epidemic, an outbreak

        You may think it’s not serious, or overblown, but there’s no doubt it has or is going to every area of the globe. It is a pandemic. Words mean what they mean.

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    • yadent says:

      The primary mode of transmission with most any infectious bug is SURFACE CONTAMINATION. Distance doesn’t matter if you touch a contaminated surface.

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    • logicforoneandall says:

      Can you imagine powerful evil people taking notes on how easy and gullible the American people have become. Social distancing….omg. This sounds like something the pajama boys have come up with. How foolish have we become. The note takers will use the gullibility for the big power grab in the future.

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  20. JohnCasper says:

    Even though there is a vast physical difference between the two, Anthony Fauci makes me think of Arnold Schwarzenegger, specifically, two of the roles he played, Conan the Destroyer and The Terminator. Only Fauci has destroyed and terminated far more jobs and lives and wealth and liberties, far, far, far more.

    So which should be his name, Fauci the Destroyer or Fauci the Terminator?

    Even Muhammad Ali and Chuck Norris could not knock down anywhere near 6,6000,000 Americans and this fast.

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    • Rynn69 says:

      JohnC: That is a hard one, but I think Dr. Sketchy would be more The Terminator. Dr. Sketchy is, well, sketchy because he has been in government a very long time – over 3 decades – and his response to other pandemics was different. Why?

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  21. fangdog says:

    IMO, an easing of the lock-down will commence as early as next week in certain areas. People have had time to assess and come to their own conclusions. Little by little, people are beginning to understand the difference between what is political BS and what is honey.

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  22. King Arthur says:

    PT needs to let us know exactly how he plans to unwind this fiasco. I guarantee it’s not Oklahoma Land Rush style and everyone just go back to “new normal” (according to Cuomo). I keep hearing drips of June or late summer from Fauci and Veerma.
    We need a coordinated calendar of exactly wtf we are looking at for returning to work NLT 4/30 and hopefully sooner. Hysteria people can stay home for all I care.

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    • JohnCasper says:

      Men it has been well said, think in hears, it can be seen they go mad in herds and only recover their senses slowly and one by one.
      – Charles MacKay

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    • Ausonius says:

      Go to

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

      It is time to flood the White House with demands for an end to this idiocy: have as many people as possible express their desire to LIVE NORMALLY by April 15th,and to unleash Hydrochloroquine + as the probable cure for those infected.

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      • LKAinLA says:

        I started the “open back up and Fauci is a fraud campaign” at WH today. I sent 4 ltrs, 4 postcards, donations (2), prayers and emails. The government has no right to release prisoners, ban people from socializing, cancel Easter service, arrest clergy, on and on. How can 2 MD’s opinion be the end all be all for the number one economy in the world? There has to be a better way. This shut down is unnecessary! This is not freedom!

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    • Sharon says:

      I hope I don’t act as though I’m hysterical but I am getting ticked. Coordinated calendars would be a very nice addition to this mess, on several fronts.

      1) Up until a week ago, there was a requirement in all oregon stores that we bring our own bags. So, dutifully, I was doing that.

      2) About four days ago, I picked up a few items at Safeway. As I placed “my own bag” upon the conveyor belt, as I had been specifically instructed to do, for the employee to bag it, the cashier lunged at it with her hands and at me with her voice, “You can’t put that there. We can’t bag anything in bags brought from outside. We will bag it for you at no charge.”

      Oh. Ok.

      3) About an hour ago I went to the same Safeway to pick up a couple of weekly special items. I left “my own bag” in the car because I had been told that they could not bag anything in bags brought from outside. As I went through the checkout, this was the conversation (the gist of it):

      “Ma’am, would you like paper or plastic?”
      “Plastic is fine.”

      “Ok, that will be one nickel a bag, ma’am. It’s your choice – if you want us to use your bag, we will bag it for you at no charge. But otherwise, it’s a nickel a bag.”
      “A few days ago I was forbidden to even lay my bag on your counter.”

      “Well, that has changed, ma’am. Would you like plastic or paper?”
      “Ok. Tell ya what – I don’t care what you do with it. Two things: I’m not paying for a bag since I was forbidden to bring my own bag in…and when I leave the store I expect to have all the things I’ve paid for with me.”

      So here’s the thing:
      -when civil disobedience occurs, I will be there
      -I may even initiate it
      -and it won’t be because of complicated, intricately-argued Constitutional or economic issues
      -It will be because I’m used to live in non-Soviet personal freedom which includes not being yanked around by authorities of any kind.

      Like Stalin said, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” I’m a grocery bag criminal.

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      • jebg46 says:

        This is hilarious. Thank you. At least I’m not the only one who will be screaming at these idiots to make up their f@#*king minds about these stupid “save a tree” or “not” bags.

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    • logicforoneandall says:

      Turn on the open sign and the American people will handle the rest. No sense in any drip drip

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  23. Sharon says:

    “…today’s report reflects the sacrifices American workers are making…..”

    Really?

    I was under the distinct impression that the “American worker” had little or nothing to say about it.

    I really detest distortions of language motivated by the perceived need to deceive.

    It’s not nice to have millions of people fired or forcibly laid off and then talk about it as though it was their idea.

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  24. Angus D says:

    The cabal is fairly sure they can wreck America and get rid of Trump if they can keep us locked in our homes into June.

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  25. 13wasylyna says:

    This nonsense has to stop. Fauci is scaring the bejesus out of people. And no we are not waiting until there are no new cases…has he lost his mind. We have to come up with a solution that includes testing for antibodies. Most of us have had and are not in danger going back to work. This ridiculous shut down the country so some fraction of the population doesnt die is like climate change nonsense, you can never guarantee people wont get sick and die. Fauci should be MUZZLED and we neeto get back to the business of living. You have essentially FUNDAMENTALLY transformed America into a bunch of cowards, whingers, complainers and now wards of the state

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  26. Jeff Webb says:

    And the media seems absolutely giddy reporting these unemployment figures. Not so much in their actual words, but in their presentation. There seems to be a joyous lilt in their voices and intonations as they report on the economic impacts of this disaster. Maybe I’m just hearin hat i expect to hear, but . . .

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  27. Bigbadmike says:

    The Paycheck Protection Program is designed to keep people from losing their jobs. Unfortunately it was written so Forgiveness of the Loan is based on the employer maintaining or QUICKLY REHIRING employees and maintaining salary levels. Forgiveness will be reduced if full -time headcount declines, or if salaries or wages increase. What happened is people were laid off and will not be rehired until the Loan hits their account because some Employers didn’t want to pay their wages until they get the money. This is unfortunate as it was really up to the Employer to stop the panic and not lay people off knowing they would be reimbursed by the Government for their Payroll expenses. Our people are still working because we are lucky enough to have work ahead of us. The Loan will be used to pay employees their regular salaries and wages till business returns to normal. This buys us about 8-10 weeks after the orders run out.
    By then, if business doesn’t rebound – then it won’t matter – but we should be good through June even in the worst case. Our bank is ready. Hope the SBA and Mnuchin are.

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  28. The fake cure (shutting down the economy) is worse than the problem.

    We have a real cure (HCQ, z-pack, zinc). It works, is safe and costs $20. We need to push it, much harder.

    Every day the shutdown continues costs us billions, 10s of thousands of jobs and thousands of businesses.

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  29. VoteAllIncumbantsOut says:

    Here’s some history on quarantines, but never have we witnessed a global economic shutdown.

    Things that make you go hmmm? Repo Crisis ring any bells. Remember all the riots around the globe during the Great Recession in 2007-2010. Shelter in place worked out well don’t you think? Who’s asses were they really trying to save?

    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/mar/29/quarantines-through-history/

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  30. JohnCasper says:

    It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.
    – Confucius

    It took DJT 3 years of hard work to build a great economy and Fuchi has destroyed it in a matter of a few weeks.

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  31. ewreck1967 says:

    100s of 1000s of city and state workers let go as a new Gooberment study shows that shovels CAN stay up without someone leaning on them. Officials were SHOCKED at the findings. Sorry middle class, you’re screwed.

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  32. Rynn69 says:

    Perhaps a fellow Treeper or Lurker know the answer to this – with non-essential employees off work in the private sector, did this apply to our esteemed (sarc) government workers? Seems to me that the pain should be equally shared, no?

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  33. Mist'ears Mom says:

    People start asking questions of everyone you know! In all jobs, locations and circumstances.
    The media hype, Fauci and the numbers are not adding up.
    I ask questions about this, yesterday had a convo with a friend who is a local hospital employee who works in social services but has been recruited to send out masks to the ‘infected’ and other misc grunt work during this crisis.
    btw-huge hospital network county wide provider
    I asked her: how any have tested positive-
    her-not sure they don’t have the tests (here at this hospital)
    me-then who are the masks being mailed to
    her-those that have COVID-19
    me-I thought they didn’t have the tests
    her-oh they only have a few and are selectively testing those with the worse symptoms
    me-ok so how many have tested
    her-31
    hummmmm

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  34. Zorro says:

    Today, on another forum dedicated to a hobby interest, a person formerly considered sane, wrote that this situation just proves that the gubmint can give out money freely and the top 3 billionaires can support the whole country if they want to.

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    • Mist'ears Mom says:

      lol…would that be Bezos, Gates & Bloomberg? Oh what a joy that would be to have those 3 supporting the whole country – like by giving us money?
      What could go wrong?

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  35. Mike Robinson says:

    Unfortunately, the next few days are not going to be pleasant if your job-description is POTUS.

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  36. sarasotosfan says:

    This race to the bottom is insanity on steroids.

    A rational approach would be to require everyone to wear something on their face covering their mouth and nose when not in your personal vehicle or on your property. Fines with no warnings will be whatever.

    This would cost a minimal amount. The economic gains versus what we now have with stay-at-home orders and deciding what is and is not essential services was and is not even close.

    We are committing mass economic suicide.

    This must stop.

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    • sarasota- AGREE 100%.
      The “cure” is 1000 times worse than the Disease.
      If we don’t get back to work ASAP:
      Who is going to take care of the sick?
      Who is going to drive the trucks to provide food?
      Who is going to fix and repair our homes, buildings, bridges and infrastructure?
      Who is going to help take care of our children and old people?
      Who is going to keep this Country running??
      We just crashed a 22 Trillion dollar economy. Won’t be easy to restore.
      We cannot go on like this til April 30th. It will be too late.
      I love and trust our President Trump but this is starting to get scary, the longer the crisis goes on
      #END THE LOCKDOWN
      Let us volunteer to go back to work!

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      • sarasotosfan says:

        I am not going to support this charade. I am not going to choose which restaurant survives or fails. We need to make real noise. This dwarfs Russiagate and all that followed.

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    • Magabear says:

      Seriously, wearing a bag over our heads with goggles on would be 100 times better than causing the next great depression like we’re on the cusp of doing.

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  37. 13wasylyna says:

    Trump is being cucked by Fauci and Birx who are both confirmed Hiliary lovers with a vested interest in bring this economy to a screeching halt for thei4 dear leader. If Trump doesnt have private eyes and ears on Fauci and where he is getting his marching orders he needs to.

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  38. John-Y128 says:

    How long is the unemployment line of 6.6M people with 6ft of social distancing?

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  39. Magabear says:

    “Similar to last week’s unemployment claims numbers, today’s report reflects the (forced) sacrifices American workers are making for their families, neighbors, and country in order to ‘slow the spread.’’

    Scalia clearly forgot to add the word forced into his statement. Glad I could correct that for him. 😒

    Folks, this if the most f****d up thing any modern society has ever done to itself.

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  40. ewreck1967 says:

    Rates already doubled on the PPP loans that were going to save small business? 30% of all mortgages defaulting? Only a few more nails left in this coffin. Federal mandate to lock down entire country in 3…2…1.

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  41. If the Consumer Economy collapses it could take years to rebuild it. This isn’t a production economy like in the 1930s.

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  42. Sunshine says:

    This is ONE HELL of a SETUP by the WHO (see Fauci) and CHINA and UNITED NATIONS cabal for two reasons, IMHO.

    Big winner: China.
    Big loser: USA

    WHY?

    1 – China’s economy was tanking big time and Dragon’s foe is Donald J. Trump.
    Thus, the WHO – aka China – kept quiet and let the ‘Flu’ spread worldwide.
    Then the WHO gave it a name and transformed it into a deadly pandemic.
    Who gains? China that is now venturing on the path of economic recovery while USA has a while to go (the world also). Worse, the world is beholden to China for its pharma needs.
    AKA China economic supremacy.

    2 – Test case of control of populations through terror – imagined or real – to further their goals of One World Order.

    Since this test was so successful, the next case will be under the guise of Climate Change. If successful, we in deep shit.

    BTW: I’ve been following accounts of Chinese linked to China citizens with VPNs. When Xi showed up, the cries of barricaded Chinese in their high-rises ”LIAR LIAR” tell the story.

    TRUMP is stuck in a Catch-22. And WHO Fauci is the problem.

    SORRY but I had to release my frustrations. What I am hearing are number of dead and hospitalized but no number of recovered, light or medium cases. And no number of non-infected. And all hospitalized numbers are related to areas with pollution, Chinese travelers and business-owners during the critical time period, and no numbers re pre-existing conditions regardless of age.

    THIS IS a WAR in the making.

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  43. Zydeco says:

    On top of the Communist Party of China and the Democommunist Party USA achieving their wildest dreams with the corona virus depression, now this, and patriots can’t even march on Washington, DC if they wanted to due to increasing lock down.

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    • Magabear says:

      People really need to stop believing all these lockdowns will end soon. The left is committed to keeping this economy in shambles right up until election day in order to try and defeat PDJT. People in positions of power like business and industry leaders need to lead the rebellion against this economic suicide.

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