DOJ/FBI Quietly Request Deadline Extension from FISA Court – Deadline Moved to February 5th…

A quiet (oral) request from the DOJ/FBI is noted in a late Friday release from FISA Court Presiding Judge James Boasberg. [LINK]

The previous deadline was January 28th.  As noted the FISC has granted a one week  extension until February 5th.   [Some Possible Ramifications Outlined Here]

This is a hot mess.  Remember, IG Horowitz said he only found evidence of a FISA warrant against Carter Page, no other Trump campaign or Trump administration official was investigated using a FISA application. That statement is a little more important now.

As I go back through my notes seeing if I can identify the downstream consequences impacted by a rather stunning sequestration effort, I find myself wondering if the HJC case(s) for 6(e) material and Don McGahn testimony might even be part of the pull-back material as a derivative of the special counsel probe’ use of the Carter Page Title-1 surveillance warrant.  After all, there had to be an investigative reason for Mueller to want the renewal on June 29, 2017, long after Carter Page was gone from the Trump orbit.

Remember, the special counsel team used some form of pre-existing warrant authority to capture all of the Trump transition team emails and communication from the GSA, and then lied about it to the Trump White House. Perhaps National Security Letters (NSL’s).

The DOJ/FBI previously agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all four FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained.

The DOJ and FBI stated they will now assemble all materials, from any location, that stemmed from the Carter Page FISA warrants.  In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant. Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.

[ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]

Once the sequestration has taken place, the DOJ will then be able to determine to the court what collateral impacts they have identified.

Worth noting in the second paragraph of the original order: “pending further review of the OIG report and the outcome of any investigations or litigation.” This was a statement made by the DOJ in response to the FISC. It is possible the ongoing investigation by U.S. Attorney John Durham is part of this encompassing statement.

The second page of the order by Judge Boasberg is essentially him relaying the law surrounding FISA applications; warning the DOJ that false material submissions -which the DOJ has just admitted- are illegal; and Boasberg wanting to know answers to the same questions many of us have.

Essentially, Judge Boasberg is asking: what did the FBI do with the Title-1 surveillance warrant they received from the court? What material did they collect? Was that material then used in other proceedings and: “disseminated to DOJ prosecutors and other persons outside the FBI”?

The presiding fisa judge also wants to know what the DOJ is doing. Explain what “further review of the OIG report” means? Inform the court what “related investigations and litigation” pertains to, etc.  The DOJ/FBI now have until February 5th to respond:

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398 Responses to DOJ/FBI Quietly Request Deadline Extension from FISA Court – Deadline Moved to February 5th…

  1. starfcker says:

    Absolutely stunning the level of defeat the resistance is headed for.

    Liked by 36 people

    • Rhi says:

      Thank you Sundance for your indefatigable pursuit of truth and justice. Your efforts are unrivaled in exposing the rot in our government and if our Republic is to survive and justice indeed be finally meted out you are deserving of having an annual Journalism Medal of Honor award named after you.
      The Lord bless you and keep you Sundance!

      Liked by 73 people

      • Seneca the Elder says:

        Rhi- I couldn’t agree more with your comments about Sundance.

        There is no other journalist or reporter out there who’s even close to him when it comes to research, analysis and writing. I don’t know of any formal award that would do him justice.

        If it wasn’t for our President Trump and Sundance, we would never know the truth about the evil and wrongdoing that has been and continues to be perpetrated by our own Government and the Deep State.

        We are indeed blessed to have two such patriotic warriors on our side whose vigilance, courage and persistence are unrivaled.

        God bless and keep both of them.

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      • iconoclast says:

        Doing the job the media is paid to do, but won’t.

        Liked by 3 people

    • The Demon Slick says:

      January 28th – during the impeachment trial
      February 5th – after

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      • TwoLaine says:

        Plausible. 24 hours defense takes us into next Wednesday, 1/29. 16 hours for questions takes us into next Friday, 1/31. 4 hours closing arguments probably takes us into Sat, 2/1, and then the BIG vote, at the latest on Mon, 1/23, with the big crescendo of defeat.

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        • L4grasshopper says:

          Defense does not need, and should not take, 24 hours.

          They should wrap it up COB Monday.

          That should mean questions start Tuesday.

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          • Snellvillebob says:

            Yes, the truth is already evident. The Left needed the entire 24 hours to confuse the issue from rote and repetition.
            “Definition of rote (Merriam Webster):
            “The use of memory usually with little intelligence.”

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          • TwoLaine says:

            I was outlining it based on the possible use of all time given.

            We don’t know what the defense will do or how long it will take. It would be just fine with me if they took all 24 hours to rebut and SLAY the DIMs..

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          • Lenny says:

            Rudy is the trip wire. Dipschiff laid a trap down concerning Hunter and sleepy Joe to see if the Presidents counsel or Lindsey would push for the two as witnesses, thereby extending the trial. Lindsey quashed that, and said he will deal with it in the SJC. ( no he’s not). The die is cast. The deal has been made. Joe and Hunter get off on face, thereby protecting the head scamsters ( Kerry, Romney, Obama,McCain et al) and dribbling further investigations thru the SJC which will not happen, because Lindsey and McCain were neck deep in it. Now Trump keeps his powder dry with all his info PLUS Rudy’s info and he can pull the trigger at the time of his choosing. Watch the Cape may Rally on 1/28, it will be telling. People are already assembling ( some leaving Richmond and going directly to Cape May NJ). Traffic is increasing inland in Millville and the surrounding areas.

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        • jnr2d2 says:

          You mean Mon 2/3!

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        • Eric says:

          *24 hrs over 3 days

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      • The Boss says:

        That is my first thought as well. Heaven forbid anything of a monumentally damning nature be available for closing arguments. Ms. Lindsey might be forced to act, unless she gets the vapors from all the excitement.

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      • Bigguggly says:

        Exactly

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      • amazed treetop downlooker says:

        😉

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      • Eileen McRae says:

        Do you consider the possibility that someone is hoping for “Guilty” and the removal of the President from office. That scenario would solve a lot of the problems for the DO/?FBI/FISC/Democrats/etc. They could halt all these investigations in their tracks!

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    • Defeat?

      LOL

      All efforts to corral and prosecute them are ALREADY mired in BS.

      NO ONE of any significance will EVER be charged or tried, let alone convicted or imprisoned for participating in “The Resistance.” Ditto for FISAGATE and their Coup Plot. They will all walk, just like Brennan and Clapper, because they are the ELITE ruling class who MAKE the rules that the rest of us are expected to follow.

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      • grumpyqs says:

        As if they have “State Sovereign Immunity” or at least demand it?

        Liked by 1 person

        • Who NEEDS immunity when they have control of every body that has any power to punish them? Bill Barr certainly won’t pursue ANY of them because HE’S ONE OF THEM.

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        • jnr2d2 says:

          They have no “sovereign immunity.” They have immunity if what they are doing is normal for their job.When they step outside that there is no immunity. Such as illegal actions “under the color of law.” Of course, they will always argue they were doing their job. And it’s possible the Gov won’t pay for their defense, if it is outside there job duties — then they will spend 100’s of thousands of dollars to defend themselves. Good motivation to Sing.”

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      • Randolph Scott says:

        Someone, somewhere will take care of these sons of bitches and they definitely won’t like it.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        USA Freedom Act’s renewal can was kicked down the road to MARCH.

        What Senate does then (assuming they’re not still otherwise occupied) will dictate much of what follows.

        But I continue to enjoy you keeping us up to date on the revelations from your crystal ball….
        Unfortunately I dropped mine in the mid 90’s and my duct tape repair job seems to have affected it’s accuracy.
        Haven’t had tequila since.

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        • Who needs a crystal ball when all you have to do is “Trust the Plan” right?

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            Nice try.

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              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                Hey while I gotcha…..
                I’ve got some extra scratch and I’m dyin to bet on who will win the
                “Repeat the Same Thing Over and Over Again Cuz I Don’t Have an Argument Award”

                You with “No One Will Go to Jail”
                or
                Adam Schiff with “Russia”

                It’s a tight race but I’m rootin for “Treeper” not “Peepers”.

                Oh wait…what am I talking about?

                YOU have the Crystal Ball
                Why don’t you tell me who the winner is and I’ll give you 25% of the booty.
                Is PayPal OK?

                Oh…And Don’t forget that next month is the
                “Tic Tock Trusty Plan Ad Hominem Cuz I Don’t Have an Argument” Championship
                Competition will be stiff but seems you’ve got a head start in your training.

                “We’re in the money, we’re in the money;
                We’ve got a lot of what it takes to get along!”

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                • Like I told you before… get back to me when Barr prosecutes someone significant. Until then, the evidence supports me and YOU belong in the kitchen, rustling up dinner for the adults.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  We got it the first 100 times you’ve said it…
                  ‘nothings going to happen”

                  Why not leave spreading your “analysis” to the pros:
                  CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, Bloomberg, Vox and all the rest.
                  Cause they all crow the same thing louder and have a much wider footprint.

                  Can say it 1000 times in one day while you have to wait for a new SD post to cut/copy/paste.

                  They have their narrative and you have yours….. and they’re the same.
                  Every time something is revealed or uncovered…
                  Instead of adding to analysis, you run here with your pompoms to convince us… “it doesn’t matter”.

                  Or maybe it’s just to convince yourself.
                  Anyone contradicts you with inconvenient evidence, analysis or God forbid a question….and it’s “Tic Toc” and “Trusty Plan”.
                  Schiff pulls that exact same trick…only with “Russians” “Vladamir Putin” and “debunked Conspiracy theories”

                  You’ve learned from the best.
                  .

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                • Did Bill Barr charge someone last night?

                  No?

                  Then WHY are you bloviating again?

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  How is it that someone who already knows all the answers can even ask a question?

                  Gonna have to consult my Descartes and Aristotle to see if they have an answer to that logical anomaly.

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                • Oh! Look, folks!

                  Baron von Stinkin Thinkin is here to tell us all what to think and say! Thankyou, Massa! I be SO glad you gave me my ‘pinion! Now just tell us Po’ Folks WHEN we’s be ‘llowed to speak!

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  I rest my case.
                  You have demonstrated every “technique” of the schoolyard bully after finally getting popped in the mouth.
                  LOL
                  Now I’m going to enjoy my flapjacks with Aunt Jemima’s (after your impression, what else?), 2 sausages and 3 eggs.

                  In my kitchen…or maybe out on the deck.

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                • Good for you.

                  Next time you run across my comments, just remember:

                  Scroll, don’t troll.

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      • mynameisasherlev says:

        Time to give it up folks, we’re getting nothing useful from this. This is what government agencies do when the objective is to string it out years and by that time everyone has forgotten what they were looking for. Hell it’s too complicated for me to understand.

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    • There should be no quarter given to the DOJ & FBI…. to Hell with giving them more time! Everyone already knows what the Hell was done by the Obama Administration Deep State, Intelligence Community & Federal Law Enforcement Cabal against Candidate, then President Trump and his people!

      Everyone convicted and sent to prison as a result of Special Counsel Mueller’s efforts should be released forthwith! Get these people out of prison, NOW!!!! Expunge their records! Make them whole for the massive financial losses they incurred! Restore their good names!

      CUT THE CRAP!! IT’S OVER! THEY’RE CAUGHT! THEY’RE EXPOSED!

      By God, SEND THE BASTARDS WHO DID THIS TO PRISON! BANKRUPT THEM!

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      • beach lover says:

        Agree wholeheartedly FW. They know already the answers to the judges request. Timing is a delay tactic. Enough.

        Liked by 7 people

        • Look at the carnage and destruction of good people’s lives!! ENOUGH!

          Get poor Paul Manafort out NOW! And Michael Cohen, too! Who else is serving time?

          EVERYONE ATTACKED BY THIS BAND OF CORRUPT BASTARDS NEEDS TO FREED IMMEDIATELY! AND WE NEED TO PUT THE ENTIRE CABAL IN HANDCUFFS! NOW!

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          • Witness- AGREE. By now they should all be rotting away in solitary confinement in some Super Max prison. So sick and tired of watching them laugh at us.

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            • donna kovacevic says:

              Amen Seneca. That is exactly the words the man used when he confronted Warren about the college tuition. He said “you are laughing at me”. They are indeed all laughing, while cozy and comfy in their huge homes, good paying jobs. Bastards evil corrupt Bastards. Lord Jesus please help us the law abiding good people. In Your Holy Precious Name we pray Amen Amin.

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          • tacocat43 says:

            It is absolutely essential to find out all about Ukraine because something going on there was how Manafort was taken out.

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            • If that’s true, then why is poor Paul Manafort the ONLY one in prison? The fact is, the DOJ investigated him years before for this & declined to prosecute. Bet the DOJ uncovered all the effing Democrats on-the-take from Ukraine corrupt schemes & let Manafort go to protect them. Not until he served as Trump campaign manager did the Feds go after him.

              There’s NO equal justice under the law in Washington DC. How long will law-abiding, taxpaying, productive citizens support the federal government if the FULL WEIGHT of the Justice System isn’t brought to bear on these SOBs? It’s OUTRAGEOUS!

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          • mike says:

            Specially fitted nooses have some appeal to me.

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          • botchedcasuality says:

            When we see the depth of the FISA abuse we have to ask: who else is sitting in prison framed by planted false narratives such as lthe Steele dossier? Hiw many good people who resisted this taint are now gagged and languishing in our Federal prisons?
            One is too many.
            All FISA evidence should be examined for every single “soul” in prison. The argument that FISA is necessary for our Nation’s security
            does not hold water when the citizens are sacrificed at its altar.
            We must also demand reform, that a review and revamp of engorged ‘ABC’ agencies and their activities is not just an internal activity…….
            Coverup.

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            • Boy, BotchedCasuality, you are SOOOOOO correct. Our business partner has a saying that goes like this, “How you are at anything is how you are at everything.”

              How many more people are in prison due to fraudulently obtained FISA warrants?

              Remember the FISA 702 queries (of NSA data collections)? Who else has been surveilled? Who else’s rights have been violated? My guess is there are thousands of Americans illegally surveilled.

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      • Issy says:

        I agree. I have no legal knowledge to back it up, but common sense tells you all the fisas were the result of fabrication and nothing based on them should be used for anything. The Mueller Investigation should have never happened and the convictions… well you decide.

        It’s such a Hot Mess.

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        • Eileen McRae says:

          Perhaps that is why the conclusions of the Mueller Report were what they were! Perhaps Mueller and his team knew that the predication for the investigation was based on illegal FISA warrants, and, to prevent their careers from being tainted, the Report did NOT find evidence of collusion or obstruction.
          Never trust a Democrat lawyer.

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          • Eileen, if they could’ve credibly concocted a case against the President for collusion with Russia, they would have. What these SOBs expected to find was other wrongdoing – OTHER CRIMINALITY UNRELATED TO THE CAMPAIGN. They used the concocted Russian Collusion to open the investigation ,,,, which then gave them access to all of the President’s and his people’s texts, phone calls, emails, financials, etc.

            THEY FOUND NOTHING AND THEY SEARCHED EVERYTHING!!!!

            Think about that. The President, the Trump Family, their business dealings, Trump Administration officials…. they went in search of other crimes and came up empty!

            https://www.oxfordeagle.com/2018/05/09/show-me-the-man-and-ill-show-you-the-crime/

            “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” mentality and they came up empty!

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      • Snellvillebob says:

        Maybe their order for 1000 paper shredders was held up by President Trump’s customs so they needed more time to destroy all the evidence. Remember, these people really believe they are above the law.

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      • YeahYouRight says:

        The FIRST FISA obfuscated the fact that Steele’s dossier was political opposition research funded by Clinton. They knew on the ORIGINAL application that they were defrauding court. All four warrants are invalid, predicated on lies to cover 702 abuse.

        The fruit from this poisonous tree is voluminous and tainted everything the small group touched, but it’s not the entire story. Things kicked off with the 702 searches, the original poisonous tree. FISAs were to cover up their earlier 2015-2016 702 search misdeeds uncovered by Admiral Rogers.

        Will Boasberg address that?

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    • simplewins says:

      Looks like someones going to kiss the donkey. Maybe a few.

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      • G. Alistar says:

        Jim Comey…I can’t talk to investigators because my security clearance expired! Comey should rather than kiss the donkey, he can KMA. Only thing worse than a corrupt and criminal dirty cop…. an arrogant and sanctimonious dirty cop.

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    • Mike says:

      I don’t understand the metric re the FISA application about when the FBI knew the Steele dossier was garbage. Isn’t the test for inclusion of evidence into a FISA application that the information must be validated? The Steele dossier was never validated and should have not been included in the FISA application at all.

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      • Issy says:

        That’s my interpretation and since there was no verification why was it in the FIRST fisa? Why is it considered valid?

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      • Furthermore, we are going to learn that that SOB, former CIA Director John Brennan, was the inspiration behind the Steele Dossier! It’s a bogus concoction, created by the IC, utilizing foreign intelligence assets to circumvent U. S. rules & regulations regarding domestic spying!

        These Obama Administration bastards MUST GO TO PRISON! Our government CANNOT DO THIS to political candidates running for President! There has to be accountability & justice meted out if We The People are ever to trust & respect the Federal Justice system ever again!

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        • G. Alistar says:

          Yes, yes, yes, is it too much to hope for that not only jail time for the coup plotters but that the truth regarding the most corrupt White House Administration ever will all come out??? And even more delightful, that dishonest politicians, like Mark Warner (wud rather no paper trail) would also be exposed?

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      • dasantacroce says:

        I think the truth is that the FBI made up the dossier and used Steele to give it cover. That is going to be the kicker.

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        • NJF says:

          The “lovely Nellie”

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          • I knew Roberts (and the system that brought him in) was crooked when he was immediately made Chief Justice. I still don’t understand why no one else noticed that.

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            • That comment was meant to refer to the corrupt FISC process(es), which Roberts was responsible for.

              As for Nellie Ohr, I am on record in numerous comments over the last 2 years telling readers to focus on her, as being both the center of the FBI-FusionGPS collusion, and being the wife of the 4th ranking DOJ official at the time. NOTE: Jay Sekulow, and Sundance repeats him, now say/write that Bruce Ohr was the THIRD ranking official (Sekulow says, in the FBI, Sundance still knowing he was in the DOJ). I think Sekulow showed himself mixed up, probably because he was thinking of Bruce Ohr as the conduit between Nellie at Fusion, and the FBI — he could be considered the 3rd ranking coupist in the FBI part of the conspiracy (except there were at least 4 highest plotters there, including Comey, McCabe, Strzok and Ohr…but Strzok was essentially the CIA inside man, so he might not be considered FBI in the activity framework of the plot).

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      • tacocat43 says:

        Early on, a legal group (name escapes me) wrote to Collyer about what was going on with the misuse of info to gain the FISA warrants but she dismissed it outright. She is seriously implicated in the resistance.

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        • G. Alistar says:

          In the Army the responsibility of leadership is codified in Army Regulation 670-1, “Army Command Policy”. Paragraph 2-1.b. It is unambiguous and dogmatic,”a Commander is responsible for everything that happens within the limits of his/her command.” Now, IF our nation expects this type of responsibility from our young officers in the Armed Forces, wouldn’t it be reasonable to expect the same type of responsibility and accountability to apply regarding FISA judges (Judge Collier) AND importantly, her supervisor? That would be C/Justice SCOTUS, John Roberts.

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        • dwpender says:

          When does Collyer write a letter of apology to Devin Nunes for her utterly contemptuous, dismissive reply to his 2018 letter(s) alerting her to the DOJ/FBI misconduct involved in procuring the Page FISA warrant and extensions?

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        • richard mcdonald says:

          Rep. Devin Nunes wrote Collyer to inform her of the FISA abuse – she ignored it and now she has retireD following the disclosure of her malfeasance.

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        • Dixie says:

          Yes and that was probably why she quit?

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      • WRB says:

        FISA application that the information must be validated?

        Yes, but it is a matter of degree. So far, the gov’t (DOJ) has not decided if the first two FISAs were “legal” or not (though as you point out, they should be, for the reason you cite). However, by January 2017 the FBI knew (from interviews with Steele’s “primary source” that the dossier was not only not verified, but was fabricated). In other words, the FBI went from “these are very serious allegations from a “reliable” source” to “this is a steaming pile of dung”, and any renewals were obviously illegal.

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        • It also means they KNEW it was rubbish from its inception… therefore, the entire FISA warrant authorizations, the original & all 3 renewals, should have been declared, in front of the FISC judges, null & void. ALL of FISA warrants should have been withdrawn & the surveillance ended!

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      • GB Bari says:

        ….the information must be validated?

        From what I have been able to discern from all of the articles that Sundance has written, there apparently is no hard and fast set of written criteria that defines what constitutes “validation” of source material used to justify FISA warrants. OR, if there actually IS a strict definition, the FBI/ DOJ/ FISC have all been keeping that well-hidden from everyone in order to provide plausible deniability for those who requested and authorized the surveillance to continue despite clear signs of disingenuousness.

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        • jebg46 says:

          Aren’t the “Woods Procedures “ written by Mueller many years earlier, supposed to be followed BEFORE applying for a FISA warrant? It was all falsified. Therefore the original October 21 and first renewal 90 days later in January 2017 are also invalid.

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          • jebg46 says:

            Nothing in the application had been verified. Period. The End.

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          • GB Bari says:

            Yes. But they only stipulate that the material presented to the court must be vetted and verified. They don’t say how or what specific thresholds must be met.

            As I wrote above, there is apparently “no hard and fast set of written criteria that defines what constitutes “validation” of source material used to justify FISA warrants.”

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        I don’t understand the metric re the FISA application about when the FBI knew the Steele dossier was garbage.

        Metric for the original Oct FISA: “Steele was previously a reliable source.”
        Metric for all the renewals: Lies, omissions, fabrication of evidence

        They SAY they did not have access to Steele’s sub-sources so they took his word cause he helped them save soccer.

        In Jan 2017 they finally interviewed the sub-source who told them:
        1) The dossier material was garbage (unverified, multiple hearsay, speculation, and jokes)
        2) That he had TOLD STEELE that it was unverified, multiple hearsay, speculation and jokes

        THEY LIED TO THE COURT by NOT telling them they found out it was garbage.
        “We interviewed Steele’s primary sub source and found him to be truthful”

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      • donna kovacevic says:

        Exactly Mike. I remember Andy Biggs questioning Mueller horse face about when he knew that all this was garbage (he did not use the words) Mueller was resisting, so Andy said “right up until you wrote the report?” you had no idea. I can’t stand Mueller evil corrupt, that is how I feel about Barr not trusting at all, coy full of govna. Now we see why they are friends and their wives go to Bible Study together. Thick as thieves. Listening to Barr give that interview Sundance posted, gave me a sicker feeling about Barr, he likes and works well with Wray. Oh boy pederi all of them, prokleti, means damned.

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    • dougofthenorth says:

      Color me skeptical. Judging based on past performance I think the FBI will define sequester as “clean up” and get the knives in their shredder sharpened, again.

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      • BitchyPants says:

        Those shredders have been going non-stop since that long night in Nov. 2016
        Say, whatever happened to those “documents” sequestered at the Obama Library? Oh I guess they are still looking for the perfect location…

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    • stopimmigrationcrimes says:

      If Barr has been planning to sweep the criminal offenses under the rug, these facts put pressure on him to change his plans.

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    • guest4ever says:

      WOW! Just WOW!

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    • Green Bucket says:

      Star, we truly hope for a massive defeat of the cheating democrats in Nov, but we cannot be complacent. If we do not turn out the biggest monster vote this country has ever seen, dems will win because they are voter fraud experts.

      -Vote in person (mail in ballots are how the democrats cheat)
      -Volunteer to work at the polls, don’t just be a ‘watcher’ as they have no power to object to anything, but a poll worker can object.
      -Get as many people as you can to vote for Trump
      -Pray for the protection of the President and all patriots that we can persevere

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      • lizajmoon says:

        green bucket, i am with you in spirit but i disagree with your first point. one can request a mail in ballot in person and return it in person. requesting the mail in ballot confirms you as a registered voter and takes your name off the list a ballots available to be “harvested”. here in michigan we expect the voter turnout to be large and there is a good chance the lines will be long to vote, and if you don’t have the time to wait you will lose your chance to vote. this happened here in my small town in 2018. so , by my lights, we should be recommending the opposite of first suggestion.

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      • BitchyPants says:

        https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Voter-Guide-Book-FEB-2014.pdf
        not sure if this is the most current version – but lots of info about what you can do to help prevent voter/election fraud
        Let’s get busy – join a campaign if you can’t work at the polls
        They set up at election locations kind of like tailgating –

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      • donna kovacevic says:

        OT. Has anyone heard or read from Ristvan as of late? I have been looking and have not seen anything. Hoping and praying all is well. Ristvan if you are lurking, please come and comment, many of us value your bright insight, the legal eagle things.

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    • chojun says:

      This is the only appropriate and accurate description of what is to come.

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    • We would like this present circus end up same way as end up EVIL EMPIRE- IN 1991 or even better theirs last stand -bombing Bolshevik DUMA -1993…VSG/ESG PDJT/BARR /DURHAM/WRAY…we wait… 36 months is way too loooooong …even friends of US wandering…Thank you for all trade treaties, economics policies,ME-PEACE PLAN,etc..but domestic war and coup attempt continue in full swing….and it will cOntinue until first beauties of coup will march to …J A I L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • mynameisasherlev says:

      Succinctly stated, upon what do you base your statement? Because although I see a weak field of candidates for the general election, otherwise, I see nothing that leads me to believe the resistance is anything but healthy. They’ve done a rather good job at dirtying PDJT up over this Ukraine thing..

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  2. LouisianaTeaRose says:

    I am curious, Sundance….

    If all that 6e material was fruited off an illegal FISA warrant, and assuming the impeachment effort was primarily to get to it, and since it’s looking like a status-post-heads-on-pikes-fail (Murkowski hinting she’s jumpin’ off the merry-go-round, takin’ ollins with her…), is the Lawfare bunch probably still planning on leaking the 6e stuff thru their Judicial-Watch-Wannabe???

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    • LouisianaTeaRose says:

      COLLINS. YIKES.

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    • Guy-Blanc Déploré says:

      “ollins” looks fine to me, the “C” must be stuck on a pike somewhere. 😈

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      If Mueller got any surveillance of value (beyond the cases we already know) from the 2nd/3rd renewal on as yet unknown individuals….
      wouldn’t he have had that added to his scope by Rosenstein?

      Anything else negative to Trump…..seems would have been leaked by now.

      The still redacted parts of the Aug 2 Memo and the totally unseen OCT 20 scope memo….
      and any other scope memo that may exist…
      could potentially answer that question.

      Thinking about everyone major that Mueller did charge…
      Page downstream surveillance seems unnecessary to make the case
      Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulous, Stone

      The only one possible I can think of is COHEN.

      BTW: I don’t believe for a second Manafort and Flynn didn’t themselves have Title 1 FISAs

      Page/Strzok texts referred to an additional “DRAGON FISA”

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      • G. Alistar says:

        I agree, do you think Durham has a copy? What do you think he will do with it?

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          If Durham’s the real deal…
          I don’t doubt he has copies of any scope memos.

          If he puts the pieces together that they knew the predication was fraudulent, they knew the Steele Dossier was bogus, they knew the FISAs were invalid, and Mueller was handed a “collapsed” case……

          Then what the hell would Mueller need “SCOPED” at all?
          He should have shuttered the SCO at close of business on day one saying:
          “There is NO Trump-Russia collusion case for me……I’m referring “Russian Interference” investigation back to the FBI CI Division as I am a prosecutor NOT a spy hunter”

          But he didn’t……

          That’s how I would use them.

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      • dwpender says:

        Thanks for the reminder about the “Dragon FISA.”

        I found Horowitz’s wording on “no other warrants” very odd. He said something like, “We were unable to discover any other FISA warrants against [Trump campaign people].” Huh?

        As I understand it, the POTUS can order Title I FISA surveillance WITHOUT court approval under certain circumstances. Could Obama have issued the “Dragon FISA?” No doubt Horowitz’s limited jurisdiction would prevent him from “discovering” any such warrant.

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          My understanding is the Prez can only order that on NON CITIZENS.

          Not that I think that they would let a little thing like the LAW to get in their way…..but boy that would be a lot of exposure for Obama and Loretta Lynch who would also have to be involved in that process.

          Horowitz is SO limited….that if he was tasked to look at the Carter Page FISA he would ONLY look into that. And all the people he interviewed would KNOW that limitation.
          They wouldn’t just volunteer they got a bunch of others.

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  3. zekness says:

    Boasberg Order Letter, end of paragraph 4, page 2 (stating the law and violation penalties)…

    anyone want to guess what that last section that was redacted reads?

    That’s some pretty strong language….and then the blackout and the end.

    then when you start back up on paragraph 5, there is definitely a change in direction and tenor. It looks like the redaction black out actually covers much more space and volume of text than is shown here. A page numbering doesn’t exit, so one is left guessing. (and the fact these PDF’s are scanned and thus meta of the original is missing…old trick)

    anyone have any idea what this block of redacted texts probably reads?

    SD…thank you for the scope letter…nice!

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    • AustinHoldout says:

      Zekness-one possibility of what’s redacted: a statement about whether to include or exclude information about pending proceedings (grand jury or otherwise) or negotiations with Clinesmith.

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      • Dammit to Hell! NO DEALS FOR CLINESMITH!!! NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH CLINESMITH!!! SEND THAT LYING SACK OF EXCREMENT TO PRISON!!!

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        • iwasthere says:

          Who gave him the order? Can’t believe the DC bar is not on him.

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        • Ned Zeppelin says:

          What if Clinesmith is talking. We need the whole chain of command.

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        • dasantacroce says:

          I think the truth is that the FBI made up the dossier and used Steele to give it cover. That is going to be the kicker.

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          • donna kovacevic says:

            Of course it is all made up, just like the whistle blower bs. People with any grey matter know and have known this from day one. The waste of taxpayer dollars the devastation for innocent people is unforgivable. Those Bastards all of them starting with the devil himself Obummer and down all need to hang. No DEALS. Odjebi deal.

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        • G. Alistar says:

          Rather dogmatic here “FairestWitness”: I’d be glad to let Clinesmith walk in exchange for a smoking gun, incontrovertible evidence that puts Storzk, McCabe, Comey, Brennan and Mark Warner in jail for 20 years to life! These dirty cops are clever, they knew the gravity of their corruption and have evidence (an insurance policy of sorts) in case honest FBI guys turn on them. What did Obama know and when did he know it?

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          • I COMPLETELY DISAGREE! NO DEAL!

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          • Convict this bastard, first and THEN maybe reduce his sentence if he cooperates. But, NO DEAL up front!!!!

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            • zekness says:

              Fairest, I agree with your sentiments. I also understand the value in “leveraging” clinesmith in this particular case. This is not just a tool that may afford him a better deal.

              Here is my experience…(I will refer to Flynn as an example…with cold anger in the foreground as I make these comments)

              a. When the US gov’t wants a “takedown”, the often will pressure a defendant to make deals..it will be specific. This, for that.
              b. In order to leverage cooperation…the US government will assemble a HOST of charges (whether they can even be practically achieved in court or not), against this defendant.
              c. If the defendant backslides, ADDITIONAL charges are threatened and held up.
              d. The defendant might realize he probably can win against these multitude of “stacked” charges..but it’s costly..very expensive..and there is a risk of losing over them too.
              e. Judges are particularly harsh on non-cooperators.
              f. Defendants who enter cooperation agreements do so under threats that might be realized in court…and depending on the big picture the prosecutor is out to achieve..If a defendant chooses to not cooperate initially at all throughout the case, then have mercy on their soul, because the US government will make a special case out of them…chew them up and destroy them…..The US government is a very jealous beast when it comes to winning. There are few compromises or sympathies made to a defendant who is likely a key to a larger investigation and prosecution…But also the US government is particularly known for being unmerciful about defendants who FORCE the prosecutor to make a case and follow through with threats of non-compliance…You will see obstruction ….perjury….money laundering…those are the BIG THREE that seem to get added on for non-cooperators.

              Clinesmith is a FBI operator..and a lawyer.

              So he is aware of these tactics..

              the real question..the one I will be examining carefully…

              will the US government apply the same level of threatened and realized stacked charges against “one of their own” with the same force and agressiveness compared to General Flynn.

              for Flynn did not violate his oath of office…Flynn was NOT an FBI lawyer who corrupted a SPY operation and the COURT!.

              There is a huge difference in the crimes here,

              So I will be assuming CLINESMITH will be threatened by water-boarding for his entire miserable life. I would assume this would be the normal threats to someone who has committed such a terrible crime as this….to compel a cooperation …with no exceptions..

              the other point I want to put our there:

              I know it’s not well known, or understood…but a federal prosecutor can withdraw any cooperation agreement…even after said cooperation is given and fruits are produced. It has happened before many times.

              In this case, I think there is a need to do this…it’s a special case that really demands it.

              it’s not the retraction of the agreement by the prosecutor that becomes valuable..but the principle and tone for all those that latter becomes indicted…that their lives and futures rest entirely with a fate controlled exclusvely by the prosecutor. some say, this is a good way to ensure cooperation never happens.

              I see it a different way: it enhances the entire effort…the sense of helplessness and doom is a very important lesson…one that is felt far and wide..it is an extraordinary type of justice that sends the right message for these special and exceedingly significant crimes:

              your life as you know it..it’s over.

              you have nothing to gain..and nothing to lose…you are not longer in charge of any aspect of your miserable life.

              I think there is a righteous component that is missed by many when thinking about this kind of justice.

              A person who committs a crime of such terrible consequence…..they are in position where they have to come to terms fully…hopefully, it produces actual contrition.

              actual contrition: to admit the harm one has produced e without the pressure of consequence to do so.

              that’s the goal…it’s true justice…it’s reforms the person..and restores a norm and a standand that allows the human to get back to what it is to be a respectable human being.

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        • amazed treetop downlooker says:

          Rather, to the GALLOWS !!!….but only after lengthy solitary & the opportunity to squeal & squeal !

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  4. jeff montanye says:

    the mills of god grind slowly but they grind exceedingly small.

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  5. richard verney says:

    Sundance

    One isssue here is that if the first renewal of 12th January was sufficiently legitimate, since the FBI had not yet intervieed the sub source (mid January), were the DOJ/FBI, following the interview of the sub source, on mid January, under a positive obligation to return to the Court, and advise the FISC that they no longer had confidence in the veracity of the Steele dossier.

    It maybe that the first renewal is valid and enabled the FBI to spy and collect data etc, through to around mid January, but around mid january the continuance of it became invalid, as a consequence of a failure to inform the Court of the conclussions drawn from the interview of the sub source, which now questioned the very nature of the material that had beeen put before the Court.

    Thus it is arguable that all spying post the date of the interview of the sub source is invalid, so one needs to know very carefully, and in detail what spying/data collection took place after around mid January.

    Certainly if I was Carter Page, or anyone who had been spied upon as a consequence of the 2 hop rule, I would strongly making that case.

    Any thoughts?

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    • zekness says:

      CP, I am rather certain, is actively exploring that…and it may very well be his appeal to Boasberg has triggered this 7 Jan Order letter.

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2712

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      • littleanniefannie says:

        “ An amount equal to any award against the United States under this section shall be reimbursed by the department or agency concerned to the fund described in section 1304 of title 31, United States Code, out of any appropriation, fund, or other account (excluding any part of such appropriation, fund, or account that is available for the enforcement of any Federal law) that is available for the operating expenses of the department or agency concerned.”

        The DNC should have to pony up too. Wish they could break Lawunfair too since most of their lawyers were members of the cabal acting so illictly!

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    • Beau Geste says:

      Richard, the issue of whether the DOJ/FBI honestly or dishonestly initially applied for the original FISA and first extension, is legally entirely separate from the issue of whether ALL of the FISAs and extensions should be withdrawn as improperly authorizing political spying on US Citizens for lack of factual support.

      The first issue goes to whether the FBI/DOJ committed a fraud on the FISC Court by presenting false or unvetted evidence, or refused to advise the court of new evidence in violation of ethics and rules of court.

      The second issue goes to whether any of the spying was ever justifiable (so the warrants must be withdrawn and/or are null and void) given the true facts that :
      1. carter page was a CIA/FBI agent, not a russian agent
      2. the “pee pee dossier” and prague visits were bogus,
      3. the deceitful designation of fake “target” carter page to obtain a spy warrant on other real, political real targets (ie, tUS Presidential candidate and then elected President Donald Trump) is per se uncunstitutional denial of due process.

      Both defrauding the court, and unconstitutionally inedaquate true support for spying, each separately require the withdrawal, and ab initio invalidity of all the FISA warrants.

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    • Robster says:

      Horowitz, in his senate testimony, was asked this question.

      He advised that if evidence came to light during the course of a warrant that would invalidate the basis of the warrant then it is incumbent upon the FBI/DOJ to immediately alert the court and seek to have the warrant nullified.

      The failure of the DOJ/FBI to do so after they became aware of the sub-source information was one of his criticisms in his testimony.

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      • Issy says:

        Weren’t they aware the Steele document had not been verified the whole time? Wasn’t it used in the first fisa as well as their leaked stories in the press?

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        • WRB says:

          Yes, the FBI knew all that. But they are using a “loophole”, in that “verifying” only means that they verified that Steele was “legitimate” (used as a source previously), but they did not look any deeper. Wait, you say, Steele was reporting on info from other people. What about those sources? The FBI says that their procedures don’t require any further investigation. The IG report says that the procedures have to be modified.

          I personally think the FBI’s excuses are bogus. But when they went forward with the 3rd and 4th FISAs, they were so far over the red line that even biased dems can not defend them.

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          • Issy says:

            Thanks for that info. I didn’t know this, and it’s just another example of how the fbi covers all their bases so they are not accountable for ANYTHING.

            They just go about ruing people’s lives on the flimsiest of evidence and rampage through what people consider justice.

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          • John Spiropoulos says:

            The IG did find fault with how the FBI handled the “verification” process. Here’s what I reported in my special report on OAN last weekend.

            “Christopher Steele’s track record as an FBI source isn’t nearly as good as it reads
            in the FISA application. Somebody at the FBI embellished it. The IG identified that as another major problem. Here’s why. The case for spying on Carter Page was based on Steele’s 3rd hand information. Not corroborated facts. For that reason as the IG report states “It was…important…to articulate…the FBI’s assessment of the reliability of the source.”

            The FBI did that in the FISA Source Characterization Statement. Steele’s past “reporting has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings.” The FISA Court would be impressed that Steele’s work was of such a high quality that it was used in criminal proceedings. But, it wasn’t true. Steele has been a paid confidential human source for the FBI since 2013. FBI Agent Michael Gaeta is his handler. When the IG showed Gaeta the Source Characterization statement he said he did not approve the language in it and it was the first time he’d seen it.

            According to Gaeta “only some of Steele’s past reporting had been corroborated and most of it had not. Gaeta added that Steele’s reporting had never been used in a criminal proceeding.” So, the FISA Court was misled about Steele’s credibility. That was one of 7 significant errors and omissions in the first FISA application.” (End of Excerpt)

            So, was this just another in a myriad of coincidences that went against Team Trump? I’m with Leroy Jethro Gibbs on this. He’s the star of the TV show NCIS who has all sorts of rules about criminal investigation. #39 is “There is no such thing as a coincidence.”

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          • zekness says:

            what you and I understand the word, “credible”, is not the same legally applied version of this key word used by the FBI.. It is in fact the very word used by the FBI ..in both legal filing..and in oathed testimony.

            the word credible, as used by the FBI is such a very low level threshold in any legal practical sense, it should be banned outright as a means to qualify (VERIFY and EVALUATE) a FISA application article.

            My uptake of the FBI usage of this key word “credible”…literally reduces to this:

            it was on a piece of paper, heard through the grapevine…might have been located in a newspaper..and some guy down the street was overheard talking some Shite.

            That is NOT how you and I would use the word “credible”…It absolutely ridiculous that the highest level of surveillance could ever be authorized on such dubious means of achieving “predicate”…on such spurious non-legal grounds.

            This again, is one of many reasons the FISA court should NEVER be used to authorize spying on US CITIZENS ON US SOIL. It violates every single due process protection. It literally leads to a police state…where anarchy and weaponization of these powers becomes institutionalized and the law becomes a mockery to good order and the American values of standards that due process was created to preserve and protect.

            this entire matter is so wickedly corrupt.

            I heard a guy was hitting his dog…A paper reported it.

            So I can go get a spy warrant on this US citizen just based on that?

            a FISA court would authorize this based on “public open source” reporting?

            think about that for a moment.

            FISA, at least in this case (TRUMP) destroys every single thread of security and protection that DUE PROCESS…REQUIRES.

            It’s past time to debate this issue….get the FISA court re-aligned to reality..and directly remove every single FBI official within 6 degrees of separation around ANY FISA applications wrt to these against TRUMP..

            nuke them from orbit..it’s the only way to be sure

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    • bayoukiki says:

      That assumes the initial warrant was validly issued and I’m not so sure that’s true. What I see going on here is an acknowledgment that those last 2 were clearly not OK as further investigation (via interview of sub sources) failed to validate the claims made in the dossier. That doesn’t make numbers 1 and 2 OK

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    • trialbytruth says:

      Everything done after is criminal. Everything done before was at best a mistake but still poison fruit. That is my take. Buckle up

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    • Bubby says:

      I want a show of hands, how many here really believe the FBI headed by Wray will make an honest, diligent effort to tell the FISA Court “what did the FBI do with the Title-1 surveillance warrant they received from the court? What material did they collect? Was that material then used in other proceedings and: “disseminated to DOJ prosecutors and other persons outside the FBI”?” Any believe certain critical “material”, evidence will be overlooked, ignored, missed placed perhaps even doctored or destroyed like Hillary’s emails? Will some pertinent, relevant material be discovered years from now? It’s the old saw asking the fox to guard the hen house to me. The FBI is a corrupt leftist Unconstitutional institution and can’t be trusted to cleanse itself! But thank you Sundance for your ongoing indefatigable efforts to give us the truth as to what has happened and how wide spread corruption is in DC and the government of WTP!

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      • nimrodman says:

        Bubby – it’s been hours and I see no hands

        I think it’s safe to conclude that NO ONE here believes Wray will make an honest effort to tell the FISA court what was done

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  6. EnoughIsEnough says:

    As I read Sundance’s post, I think back to an interview that President Trump gave at the conclusion of Davos, where he once again reiterated “we caught them all”. Is this disgraceful FISA incident the first domino to fall? I wonder if we will finally start seeing some real justice. Thank you, Sundance, for another excellent article. I often have to re-read your posts several times to retrieve the wealth of information you provide. One reading is never enough!

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    • bruzedorange says:

      Can anyone identify any countries which are negotiating as if they are convinced Trump will NOT emerge victorious over the Deep State and the globalists?

      As we try to get a clearer view into this house of mirrors to see whose bullets will hit flesh instead of just glass (“Lady from Shanghai” reference), it is interesting to see how things look from the overseas perspective. Kinda like peeking around a corner using a periscope.

      What are other countries’ leaders being told by their intel sources? Who’s being told to bet their (nation’s) money on Trump?

      Canada was holding out as if they believed the Pelosians would prevail–but I get the impression their intel comes second-hand from our Deep State. Are Germany, France, Iran convinced Trump will be defeated, or are they just too stuck in their own EU and Ottoman goop to change course regardless?

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      • LouisianaTeaRose says:

        The Chinese would not have signed that phase 1 if they thought he was in trouble….

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        • bruzedorange says:

          My first thought, too.
          But Trump put the screws to them (and others, like Mexico) so hard, I’m not sure the option to play out the clock was economically viable for them.

          In some situations, when the man with the six-shooter says, “Dance!” … you really can’t wait for him to expend the 6 bullets you know he has.

          I’m looking for the perspective of a country which has chosen (or chosen not) to dance, but who has the option to decide over the next several years.

          […and I must compliment on what a lovely, evocative screen name you’ve chosen.]

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          • Yes, I worked one year in a plant nursery (1980), surrounded by such lovely, evocative names, and their lovely, evocative physical presence. From bare stock in February to Fall sales of unsold but still-flowering orphans.

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          • LouisianaTeaRose says:

            Very kind😊

            I lived in northwest Louisiana before I moved to north Arkansas in the Ozarks. Down there in Zone 8, I grew lots of antique teas, (not modern hybrid teas), some floribundas, the most AMAZING China, “Climbing Old Blush”, a bunch of hybrid musks…my last count was over 70 roses…

            Chamblee’s in Tyler, Tx had me on speed dial, Antique Rose Emporium put up with me…I gave away countless cuttings….the only one that made it up here is “Pamela Martin” which is a rose that survived Katrina under 3 weeks of polluted water, by coming up from the ground off her plant…it’s legendary down there, and has taken off here in 6Bish-7Aish. Westerland, a floribunda, is doing pretty well, and Cecile Brunner, too. I have Mutabilis in a VERY protected place, but it’s nothing like the beasty-girl I had down on the corner of my house down there!

            I miss those girls…”Mrs Dudley Cross”, may you never die, if you’re still down there…

            Up here, it’s me and my motorcycle!!!

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            • bruzedorange says:

              Hope your roots have done as well there in Ozark prepper country as Pamela Martin’s have.

              I was of the Katrina diaspora, starting over in Tennessee. Enjoying the “changes in season / changes in elevation” that this area affords. I only miss NOLA around supper time.

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      • donna kovacevic says:

        Canada with Trudope at the helm has Obummer whispering in his ear and believes whatever he says. Soros, Obummer and gang have Justine’s socks in a twist.

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    • I believe the first instance of President Trump saying “We caught them all” was earlier, in Nov.

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  7. The DOJ/FBI is still trying to run out the clock.

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    • littleanniefannie says:

      The clock should only to continue to run if President Trump is granted an exception to the 22nd amendment for the crimes and obstruction committed against his presidency.

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      • TrumpPatriot says:

        I believe he should be granted an exception. Found this interesting article:

        Loophole in the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution ???
        Note: Be sure to read the first two comments below my original post for the final answer to the question.

        **************************************************

        Most people think that the U.S. President can only serve 8 years (2 terms) as a result of the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which was ratified in 1951 after FDR had been elected President 4 times. The intention of the amendment was clearly to limit the number of years a single person could serve as President; however, there is actually a big loophole in the amendment which would allow a popular politician to be President for much longer than 8 years.

        Here is what the amendment actually says: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”

        Note that the amendment only restricts how often a person can be elected President. It says nothing about how often a person can be President. This is the loophole. As I suggested in a recent post, nothing in the Constitution or the 22nd Amendment would prevent Hillary Clinton from selecting Bill Clinton as her Vice President and he would become President if she died or resigned during her term. This would give him an additional 1-4 years as President beyond the 8 he already served when elected twice in his own right.

        But the loophole could be abused even further. A popular politician could run as VP every 4 years with a different puppet President on the ticket who would quickly resign after taking office, giving the VP another 4 year term. This could be repeated as long as the politician remained alive and popular. The problem is that the amendment does not restrict how many times a person can be elected as Vice President.

        Clearly, the writers of the amendment should have written something much simpler like: “No person shall hold the office of the President for more than a total of eight years. Any person serving as President must immediately resign the office upon reaching this eight year limit.”

        In case anyone thinks this is all idle chatter, consider how Vladimir Putin circumvented the Russian Constitution’s term limits by hand-picking Dmitry Medvedev as President who then announced that he would name Putin as his prime minister. The same thing could happen here in America some day.
        ******************************************************************************************************
        https://logicalandtrue.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/loophole-in-22nd-amendment-to-us-constitution/

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        • CaptainNonno says:

          Could be the plan. I’ve never seen a VP as involved and tasked with so many important missions as Pence. Could be they flip the team and just keep it like that sort of co-Presidents!

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    • trialbytruth says:

      I believe “under color of law” resets the clock to the last comspiratorial act under color of law. That at least takes us to mueller and Manafort me thinks

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  8. richard verney says:

    If the FISA application is headed VERIFIED, and if Comey signed the original application and the first renewal, how is the first renewal (12th January) valid, in circumstances where Comey, only matters of days earlier, told President elect Trump that ‘the dossier was unverified and salacious.’ ? Having informed Trump, prior to the first renewal, that the dossier is unverified, how can Comey attest that it is verified? To me that is a serious irregularity, and if I was the Court, I would answers to that.

    This is not a case where someone is dealling with old matters, and may innocently have forgotten some pertinent fact, or where some superior is relying on work done by underlings and presumes that those underlings have done their job properly, and the superior is simply signing off on something prepared for him. Here the superior was fully aware that the dossier was unverified, hence the conversation with PJT, and then days later signed something materially inconsistent with his own personal knowledge when attesting that the application was based upon verified information.

    The Court should call in everyone who has signed these application to fully explain themselves.

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    • zekness says:

      Comey if he is as situationally aware as he is corrupt is probably doing alot of pacing right now….

      someone should have told him ..someone within his staff…

      Director, what we are doing right now is wrong..and this needs to stop right now.

      But apparently not ONE SINGLE person at the FBI did any of that.

      Not one!

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      • destin326 says:

        Comey, the perpetrator, knew exactly what he was doing.

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      • theoldgoat says:

        I think you give Comey too much credit for not knowing what was going on.
        His actions against the President were purposeful. He worked with Brennan on a coordinated attack against the President.

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        • littleanniefannie says:

          The two-headed snakes. Who trained and fed them?

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          • pyromancer76 says:

            Think: From Birth. Then ask where are the original caretakers, the schools, the “higher” education, the atheistic religious indoctrination, the recommendations for jobs, the associations, the amassing of fortunes. Follow the clues, and then the money, and, most likely, the hive(s) will be identified in the U.S.

            It was pretty easy to do with 0. All Americans who care about America, the Constitutional-Republic America, should have been interested.

            We know some are in Chicago, (formerly the U.S. center?) Washington State, Hawaii, California, New York. Probably morphed a lot since then.

            Next, the foreign funding and associations. Does the UN ring a bell, for starters?

            Most of these Post-WWII organizations need to be eliminated as part of President Trump’s transformative New Era – wealth creation for individual citizens (and a preponderance of goodness) rather than wealth sucking by elitists (for entropy and evil).

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            • StanH says:

              Bingo! The nexus for this kind of overt corruption systemic. To fix it will require time and a deep dive into any all organs of the bureaucracy, government, education, entertainment, think tanks, lobbying, MSM, et al. These institutions have been infested with godless wannabe autocrats.

              These creeps have been so immersed in the brackish swamp ooze from cradle to grave in their warped minds this kind of usurpation of law is justified, for the good on the country. “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum” Our Great President Donald Trump was elected, despite swamp cheating that we know went on. He has them exposed for who and what they are, “he caught them all.”

              What happens next? A lot of that depends on what “We The People” do. If we remain vigilant, we win. We slide back into our lives, turn the bright lights off of the swamp, evil will reassert itself with a vengeance. We stick together, follow our Great President Trump and we will crush them.

              Quote worth remembering and learning. 100 years of corruption will not be fixed by one man and 3 years. This is a long haul.

              “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” Winston Churchill

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    • Richard- you bring up some great points but here’s the problem. The “Creeps on a Mission” as Sidney calls them, obviously knew all along that what they were doing was not only illegal but treasonous and seditious as well.

      They broke all the laws with impunity. None of them gave a damn about the consequences because they’d been around long enough to know that they were protected and there would be none.

      The wrongdoing here is breathtaking. The Traumatic Trio/ 3 Stooges- Comey, Clapper, Brennan and their lackeys have gotten away with a Coup and starting a civil war, with zero consequences thus far. They either have massive cojones or they know that they are never going to be punished for almost destroying our Country.

      Think about that one for a minute.

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    • Issy says:

      Richard, Excellent Point

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    • Tom in NH says:

      Don’t forget Sally Yates is the other signatory for the original FISA. I believe it was in IG Horowitz’ report where Yates has some lame excuse of claiming she shouldn’t be held accountable if the underlying folks she relied on to verify the FISA app didn’t do an adequate enough job. That statement when I read it just floored me. Regardless, I can’t/don’t understand how all the folks involved in the initial FISA application haven’t been rolled up yet. That is Michael Attikison-> Mary McCord-> Sally Yates from the DoJ side, plus the well known cabal at the FBI with Comey at the top.

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    • bluenova1971 says:

      Richard, as unconscionable as it is – especially re. a sitting US President – I think it is legally permissible for a LEI to knowingly lie to the subject of an investigation. I think this is how Comey weasels out of this.

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  9. hocuspocus13 says:

    Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive

    ~ Sir Walter Scott ~

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    • Issy says:

      This web isn’t tangled anymore. I think we have a clear picture and it’s going to be a neat trick for Barr to sort it to anyone’s satisfaction.

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  10. zekness says:

    I realize everyone here at CTH has a great appreciation for SD and his work…I certainly do.

    I just want to point something….just to start off the weekend in a high note.

    so often we hear the phrase…”click bait”…a misleading title to trick you into reading mostly nonsense ..

    but actually it’s a form of theft when you really think about.

    click bait STEALS the truth..it erodes the standard…it fools the good sensibilities to be curious and motivated…it robs the intention..is sacrifices the deed for rubbish…

    but mostly it’s laziness…untrained..unskilled..undisciplined laziness..is at the root of all click bait and empty “news”.

    when I read SD, I am reminded…almost every single day, what real honest WORK looks like. Not to amuse…or to entertain…but serious hard hitting factual reporting of reality. And consistent…principled…

    clicking to any number of other “media” seems cartoonish and utterly insulting by comparison.

    My good fortune was finding this website after such a long period of time literally wandering the webscape hopeless might not be a single decent place that was willing to put in the effort.

    I send these links to every single person that I know and often.

    so pass it on…the greatest gifts are those you share.

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    • Paprika says:

      Hear, Here!
      (spelling intentional)

      Liked by 6 people

      • lotbusyexec says:

        CTH is the only site I anxiously await “clicking” on to throughout the day. I always know I am going to read tidbits of gold with each and every new posting AND the comments added by you Treeper’s only add to its immense value. The knowledge, analysis, quick wit and great humor found here have me coming back for more. I call it my Truth Addiction – it is keeping me sane as I navigate my days while living in NY AND I still have hope that justice will be a-coming. Thank you everyone 🙂

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    • Mad Mike says:

      I’m with you zek… I had my suspicions and doubts prior to 2016 but finding the CTH and reading Sundance’s investigative work has been a true red pill.

      If I only get to check one site a day, it’s this one. One of the few sources of real news I’ve been able to find and as exec mentioned, I treasure this community of like-minded patriots!

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    • Keystonekon says:

      I’ve done the same! Share…widely!

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    • Bubby says:

      I often tweet them! Some thank me and some retweet them. That’s how I pass along Sundance’s posts. I also often retweet his tweets. Not that I have a large following! Lol!

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      • donna kovacevic says:

        I don’t tweet, but when I speak to people that are interested in the truth I direct them here.I have a friend that scans the boob tube and will start to tell me about CNN, I say stop with that govna don’t even mention them to me, she tries to defend herself by saying as she was searching it came up. The good news is she loves and defends PDJT.

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    • bluenova1971 says:

      I do share CTH articles with others, but I use discretion re. posting CTH links to social media.

      As I have mentioned here previously, a politically-incorrect WordPress site I used to read and enjoy (and had a large following) was suddenly shut down with absolutely no notice. I don’t want that to happen to CTH.

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  11. Bogeyfree says:

    How can any of the FISA warrants, including the original be valid IF they KNEW all along Carter Page was ALWAYS a CIA Agent??

    Because if that is the case then the lied to the court from the start??

    Why has PT or Durham declassified every communication from 2014-2016 between the CIA and FIB that contains Carter Page’s name so one could see if they knew all along??

    Can Tom Fitton FOIA any and all communications with Carter Page name in them from 2014-2016?

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      Hasn’t no has

      Also remember that it has been speculated that a certain FIB agent may also have been a CIA operative with close ties to both the people at the top of the CIA and FIB.

      So isn’t this reason enough to dig back through every communication that contained Carter Page’s name during the 2014-2016 period to see if there was any connection?

      As the next question should be………….

      What if in fact there was this connection and who and how long did know this??

      Because if they knew it all along then IMO ALL CP FISA warrants should be invalid /illegal and more importantly does that add to possible evidence of a planned coup against a Presidential Candidate and then a sitting President?

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      • tacocat43 says:

        It occurs to one that Carter Page was specifically chosen, and the FIRST one that was chosen, BECAUSE he was a former CIA operative, that Page knew about the surveillance all along, and the shock and dismay by Page (and likely lawsuits) is all a part of further cover-up?

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    • Correct Bogey.
      Strzok mentioned in a text to Lisa Page that they just burned an asset. Any bets the asset was Carter Page.

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  12. Bogeyfree says:

    Next question……..

    Because I have such little trust in the DOJ and FIB, I am struggling to see if this is good news for the white hats or some type of ploy to hide evidence from Americans?

    Question for Sundance, if the DOJ knows Carter Page is going to sue, could this in some way be a chess move in advance to head off information or discovery requests downstream that could come from that lawsuit?

    Could you imagine if Carter Page did sue and Sidney was representing him??

    In fact maybe we here at CTH should do a thread dedicated to encouraging Sidney to do just that as her next case.

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  13. A Belle says:

    It seems to me the FISA court has “gotten religion.” No entity wants to die – organic (you and me) or inorganic (companies, government agencies, the FISA court…)

    Boasberg can read the writing on the wall. The D’s have never liked the FISA court but couldn’t vote against it (or vote to renew) without R cover. The R’s have plainly stated the FISA court has failed in its job and either fixes itself or dies. Boasberg doesn’t want his entity to die.

    Boasberg is no dummy, he’ll use the law to throw any and all under the bus to protect his FISA court baby.

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    • hoghead says:

      Devin Nunes has said that as important as the work is that FISA does, if we can only have it along with the corruption/abuse of US citizens’ rights we are seeing, then it should be shut down.

      Extract it like a rotten, poisoning tooth that is spreading its venom.

      “The d’s have never liked the FISA court…” That may have been true at some point, but after sotero has shown them how it can be used for their foul purposes, I think they have learned to “love the bomb”.

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      • Tall Texan says:

        Bingo, hoghead. Liberals hated the FBI, until they took it over. Liberals hated the DOD until they took it over. More broadly speaking, liberals hated the establishment (Man!) until they took it over – one institution at a time.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      I like your point.

      Because there are 11 judges on the FISA court, could it be that some of the 11 are demanding this action so as “we the people” don’t go back and demand a massive audit is conducted which could possibly pull many of these folks into the Frey.

      So demand action on the Carter Page warrants in hope to stop the fire from getting any bigger and out of control?

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      • theoldgoat says:

        Aye, therein lies the rub, does it not?
        If they went to these lengths to spy on a political campaign, (hmm, thought that was what brought Nixon down) and continued using it to affect a coup against the duly elected President, how can there be an assumption that THIS is the ONLY case where they have abused the power of the courts?
        Seems to me that the opposite would be more likely to be true.

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    • bruzedorange says:

      I’m thinking Boasberg (whose name literally translates “snakes city”) realizes that he is no longer a “highly appointed judge” recognized only within his profession. The name James E. Boasberg is now destined for the history books, either as a defender or a subverter of the Constitution.

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    • Flabbergasted says:

      I was admittedly a Boasberg skeptic and thought quite critically of CJ-Roberts for his appointment. Of course, this thinking stems from prior actions by CJR and his inability to do what is right rather than what he feels is best (don’t get me started). I am heartened to read this article and the Court’s order demanding answers and have more hope today than yesterday that this complete abuse of power by the O-team will at least be exposed if not harshly dealt with as well. I am still in the rewrite the Patriot Act and dismantle the FISA court camp, however.

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    • donna kovacevic says:

      I like PapaD, however his wife has some sketchy back ground with people like Joseph Mifsud, that raises my interest in the whole bunch of them. Carter, PapaD, well hopefully it all comes to light. Barr well I don’t have any expectations from him. The only one I trust is PDJT, may God Bless him and his family.

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  14. bigd57 says:

    What about the material collected before the first FISA warrant? Did FBI/DOJ make that part of it and the whole story comes out? Or are they still going to keep that hidden? Who is going to know whether they provide everything or not? Otherwise this wont change anything.

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  15. Sundance, I distinctly remember somebody, somewhere, or some document, in an official capacity and under oath, swearing that there was one, and ONLY ONE American with a FISA on them in 2016. Now, obviously, that doesn’t mean 2017. And if there was a NEW one sworn out in 2017, that’s a whole NEW kettle of fish, ain’t it?

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  16. Bogeyfree says:

    Final question for Sundance………….

    The 2nd and 3rd FISA renewals occurred AFTER DJT became President.

    The original and the 1st renewal were BEFORE DJT became President.

    So if “violations” were committed would there be a much harsher penalty if they occurred and were directed at a ACTIVE President of the United States vs just a political opponent/candidate?

    So again just speculating here, by sequestering or wiping out the 2nd & 3rd warrants does that in some way help or give some cover to those who “may have” crossed the line??

    Hope you might comment on this speculation.

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    • Ray Runge says:

      ANY penalty of law can only be applied after a perp is taken to a court of law, charged and convicted.

      Your point is well made BUT the discussion comes after a policy to prosecute criminals is adopted.

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    • kiswa15 says:

      The second and third renewals are when Page is no longer in the orbit of DJT.
      Whose orbit was he in?
      As decades long FBI/CIA informant, Page would have some pretty interesting contacts 😎

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  17. Will Hunt says:

    The absence of any morality within the agencies’ mid and high level structures is stunning and horrifying. The sheer number of agencies’ employees who HAD to have been at least aware if not involved is mind numbing. No one then or now has done a damn thing to correct the illegalities.

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    • G. Alistar says:

      Moral does not equal legal and legal does not equal moral. Importantly, IF morality was completely absent in these agencies we would NOT know about any of this. Someone moral, leaked the Strozk/Page texts and emails. IG Michael Horowitz’ moral team, did a massive investigation which shows a breathtaking corrupt FBI and DoJ during the Obama Administration. Someone moral in DOJ just declared the 2d and 3D renewal was illegal? Jury is out on the morality of the Durham investigation.

      Law and legal issues are designed to impact behavior, not the will. Morality is harder to inculcate into humanity but morality changes the will. The government cannot legislate morality, only behavior. Morality is never taught or even impacted very much by changing laws. Morality is taught by and caught by example from parents, pastors, coaches, family, teachers, not the government. The Old Testament law (thou shalt nots) was designed to control and regulate behavior. When Jesus was asked what is the greatest commandment he did NOT give a “thou shalt not” rather he said, “Love God with your entire heart, mind and soul” and added, “ Love your neighbor as yourself”. Both of these “morality” commandments by Jesus go to the heart of Changing the will….something that the law could never do.

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  18. ABN says:

    This may not be a small point: not only is everything downstream from the FISA warrants on Carter Page “fruit of a poisonous tree” but so also is anything else that relied on the Steele Dossier.

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    • beach lover says:

      That is what I thought as well, but if that is the case.. why is the first FISA, not the problem? If every extension has to have new evidence to further the investigation, this looks like it’s the additions that are being questioned not the initial one.

      Someone is protecting the initial FISA, and why?

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  19. Conservative_302 says:

    Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    Ephesians 6:11 . God’s got this.

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  20. Bogeyfree says:

    Is it me or doesn’t it seem like even Barney Fife could expose this coup when you look at ALL of the evidence IMO that is littering the halls of our key government agencies that seems to be ignored.

    The Carter Page warrants just one of the perfect example. Did the FIB know all along CP was CIA if that is the case?

    It’s a simple yes or no.

    All one has to do IMO is look at the communications from 2014-2016. And if that isn’t enough simply check with the IRS and did CP pay checks come from the CIA?

    I mean everything is computerized so isn’t it as easy as doing a computer search query on CP?

    The longer this goes on, the list of questions and potentially ignored events just grows and the more embarrassing IMO it becomes for our DOJ.

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  21. franuche says:

    Seriously? The FISA judge tells the FBI/DOJ that they acted criminally, and then asks the criminals to faithfully and completely divulge to the court the full extent of their criminal activity?

    The farmer notices that lots of hens have gone missing since he’s put the fox in charge of the henhouse, and demands that the fox explain what’s going on.

    Question: What are the chances the fox is gonna tell the idiot farmer a lie, to save his own skin? The farmer is an idiot, after all. He’ll believe just about anything.

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    • hoosiertruthfan says:

      What if the farmer is not just an idiot but complicit? This is the same judge that appointed David Kris, which was a shocking.

      My fear is that there will be a lot of lip service, training programs and the like to claim they are addressing the issues without ever really addressing the issues. That is their plan, as best I can see. Shiny object here, please look this direction. Throw a new coat of paint on the wreck and call it better than new. It’s all fixed now folks, move along.

      My faith in our president tempers this fear to some degree. He’s our battering ram against the swamp critters.

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  22. TwoLaine says:

    Question: Does this get Roger Stone off the hook? FYI, his sentencing is delayed until Feb 20. I’m sure he will appeal regardless, since they never proved he had anything to do with the allegedly “hacked” emails in the 1st place.

    Prosecution witness asks judge not to send Roger Stone to prison
    by Harper Neidig
    23 Jan 20
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/479613-prosecution-witness-asks-judge-not-to-send-roger-stone-to-prison

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    • Sentencing is scheduled for February 29, 2020. If Flynn is scheduled with jail time, filing an appeal does not automatically stay incarceration. Stays after sentencing are rarely granted.

      With all the extensions of time, there may be a 50% chance that sentencing will be moved back another month. Sullivan will try to avoid another delay in sentencing.
      Barr needs to get busy very soon.

      fDlyn

      sentencing

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  23. Gov Jay says:

    Simply stellar investigative work by Sundance here… but how will we know if the FBI will be forthcoming with all the information? For example, could operatives within the FBI willingly conceal information related to indictments of Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, etc?…

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  24. youme says:

    Andrey Kukushkin’s attorney is screaming and pounding the table in the SDNY….he wants his FISA information. Kukushkin was arrested with Lev Parnas.

    https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.524341/gov.uscourts.nysd.524341.45.0.pdf

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  25. HB says:

    Call me a cynic, but what I’m gathering from these two articles is that Judge Boasberg is asking the crooks to gather all the evidence that they did something illegal.

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    • Matthew LeBlanc says:

      Seems like it. Legal cover by sympathetic judge. Gather it all by appointees sympathetic or even a part of it to gather isolate and quarantine the evidence of a coup. Then they lock it in a top secret box and bury it like so much other government malfeasance.

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  26. dwpender says:

    This gives us insight into how easy it is to deal with a “super secret,” ex parte court. Need an extension? No problem. No adversary to notify and ask for consent (or at least non-opposition). No motion to file. Just dial up “the court” and orally ask, “How bout an extension?” Granted!

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    • Issy says:

      The fisc is nothing but a rubber stamp for anything a corrupt official in the doj/fbi as for and it should be abolished. There is no way to fix a system that relies on honesty. They can institute all the rules and procedures in the world, and there will always be a way for a dishonest person to get around them.

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      • walt39 says:

        The fundamental problem — visible in dozens of places in this thread and indeed in every day’s news — is that we don’t have even close to enough honorable men to staff the government we’ve created. Pending a complete redo of our society (to produce more honorable men) we will have to shrink the government to fit.

        The good news is that with what is clearly a critical mass of dishonorable men running things some combination of collapse and civil war is coming, after which we won’t have a large enough economy to support a government this size.

        Wait … IS that the good news … ?

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  27. joeknuckles says:

    We’re gonna need more nooses.

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  28. gary says:

    somebody’s head is gonna be on a pike. 🙂

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  29. Ultimately what will occur is that all information “sequestered” as proceeding from an illegal warrant will be expunged from the record, and all proceedings in which such records were precedent or used will be invalidated and rendered moot ………including the ENTIRE Mueller investigation.

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    • CharterOakie says:

      Muy bueno!

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    • Paprika says:

      Would this also invalidate the Durham Investigation by expunging all the information he needs to investigate and prosecute?

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      • RAC says:

        THAT is exactly what I’ve been wondering as I’ve read these comments and you’re the first to ask that question.

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      • dwpender says:

        No. The FISA Court (quite belatedly) is focused on discovering what information government actors obtained pursuant to illegal warrants, so the Court may determine if and how any such tainted information was used against others.

        Durham is focused on the crimes involved in obtaining the illegal warrants.

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      • No the malfeasance involving use of a fraud will be the crime that still exists that Durham may prosecute. All of the fraudulently obtained information would be undisclosed in detail, but would only be relevant in a general summary fashion and would be exempt from demand in the same way as the detailed testimony of a child victim of sexual abuse is not required to “relive every detail” for the general crime to still be prosecuted.

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      • Issy says:

        I don’t think it would.

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    • Issy says:

      It’s what should occur. I have doubts it will because do so would show what fools the American people had been made of for having to endure the hell the cia/doj/fbi and the courts reigned down on us. Think mostly of all the innocent people who have suffered at the hands of a tyrannical government. They are going to admit to that?

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  30. MitchRyderDetroitWheels says:

    I wouldn’t be to quick to jump on the FISA Court has seen the light team. Why should the FBI/NoJustice Dept come clean at this point? I expect them to provide more lies and expect the FISA judges to go along….as usual.

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  31. Such corrupt systems that through out Those Deep state coup’s,
    I still waiting for coup’s in prison,

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  32. Vincent Piotet says:

    $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$
    GOD is publishing who we are inside.
    $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$
    Our money flow describes our orientation
    $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$

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  33. Doug Amos says:

    More work for Lawfare. Fortunately, they are getting paid by us and the people’s cheque’s are good. Unfortunately, whatever they do belongs, as a consequence, to the people that paid for it, US and people like Sundance know exactly what do with it when they get their hands on it. Sleepless nights for Lawfare. Oh what a tangled web they weave when the lives of others they choose to deceive.

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  34. L4grasshopper says:

    If I understood Title 1 warrants correctly, this could be a huge job.

    Title 1 gives gov authority to spy on Page…and anyone he communicated with (B)…AND anyone B communicated with (C). Two hops, right?

    Could be a lot of B to C stuff. In fact, Occam’s Razor would say it was B to C communications that the warrant was fraudulently used for!

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  35. Ausonius says:

    Having skimmed through the above comments, I would like to emphasize this:

    “Remember, the special counsel team used some form of pre-existing warrant authority to capture all of the Trump transition team emails and communication from the GSA, and then LIED ABOUT IT to the Trump White House. Perhaps National Security Letters (NSL’s).”

    My emphasis.

    Those who think that Mueller (and perhaps Horowitz) are “fair and unbiased” and somehow NOT part of the coup d’etat have not been paying attention.

    Mueller should be indicted for his fraud…and for wasting $40,000,000 of tax money on a hoax.

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  36. The Boss says:

    Did any one read the “Some Possible Ramifications” link? You all should ASAP. It’s a twitter thread from SD. The thread is not unrolled yet. It’s a quick read of great importance. Dots are connected.

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  37. Hans says:

    I just ind it difficult to believe ….a honest man like carter Page is spied on and to my knowledge has never filled a lawsuit against the US government. The lawyers must be bombarding him with free representation. Unless he was part of the coup and volunteered to be labeled as a spy.
    Brennen and Clapper approach him and sell him a story about PDT and his Russian connections. He meets with Russian government officials in Londen and the Trump surveylance begins.

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  38. TradeBait says:

    Words cannot express how much we appreciate your consistent, untiring pursuit of the truth, sundance.

    To sum it up – shiz gettin’ real. Finally.

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  39. mainecoonman says:

    Is anyone else having trouble viewing the site. I am getting black or blue text on a purple background.

    Have I fine something stupid to my phone and iPad?

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  40. Johnny Dollar says:

    IMO, none of the bad guys are more likely to go to jail even if all four FISA applications are found to be based on false predicates.

    Primarily because you still have to prove they (Crossfire Hurricane team members) intended to deceive the FISA court. The latest IG report said they didn’t . Mistakes? Yes. Seditious intent? No. Proving seditious intent seems to be a helluva hill to climb which, I guess, Durham is climbing.

    As far as who was “damaged” because of the false FISAs, well, that would be the Trump campaign up until 11/08/16. And, following that date, the Trump administration, generally, with Mueller, the so-called resistance movement, et. al. Trump, himself, calls attention to that when he points out how much more he could have accomplished if he didn’t have to deal with all the hoaxes. Unfortunately for him (and us), as they say, those are bells that cannot be un-rung.

    What damages Carter Page can get from the government? I think he’s working on that as we speak.

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    • TradeBait says:

      Except the one with the prosecutorial powers that the IG did not have clearly sent signals publicly that he did not agree with some aspects of the report, to which B2 concurred.

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  41. howie_roak says:

    A key phrase that is being overlooked “In May 2017 the FBI had been investigating the Russian interference for 10 Months…”. Thus they had determined that the Russian Dossier wasn’t a valid predicate almost from the start. Moreover, remember they had to acknowledge the original lie to alter the response form the CIA that Page was not an employee — said same for the Criminal Division use of Page as a CHS.
    The false predicate should invalidate all of the convictions under the rule — false in one, false in all.
    I think we are being played and the clock is being run out until Trump is replaced in 2020. The know he is going to lose in November and are just waiting it out.

    Why do I think this — 43 years working in DC…. and retiree from USDOJ

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    • TradeBait says:

      lol. Just exactly who is he going to lose TO? This election will be a tsunami win of historic proportions for PDT and you know it.

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      • scrap1ron says:

        Never underestimate the ability of these bastards to cheat or, God forbid, attempt a “grassy knoll” intervention. They seem willing to burn this country to the ground to have their way.

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      • StanH says:

        Make no mistake, exactly what wouldn’t they do to “win”!?

        Cheating will be massive. We overwhelm their ability to cheat if we stick together.

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  42. keystonekon says:

    I just want all of these corrupt people slamming the President, his family, his advisors and possibly an elevator operator someplace, to be exposed, tried and convicted.
    That said, I am happy that Carter Page has been relieved of his nightmare and hope he can get on with his life. George Papodopolous (?), too.
    But, what about Paul Manafort and Roger Stone? Both are in jail, and convicted by Mueller on process crimes having nothing to do with the original intention of the Mueller investigation, aka, money-sucking, preening for the public, long, drawn out, nail-biting nightmare (fiasco).

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    • Manafort secured delegates for Pres. Ford at the ’76 Convention from the insurgent Ronald Reagan. He was hired by Donald Trump to do the same vis a vis Ted Cruz. It had nothing to do with Russia, Ukraine, etc.

      Mueller had given him a pass years ago on his business deals because he was with the Podestas. Mueller stuck the charge in his back pocket for years like a Soviet prosecutor and only whipped it out when it became handy to beat up the President. If Mueller was an honest cop, he would have prosecuted Manafort years ago and Trump never would have hired him in the first place.

      I said “If”.

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  43. Phil says:

    I have a question I do not recall being addressed. These people do what they do because of an ideology, sense of power, or entitlement. Another motivator is money. Has there been any investigators tracking the money trail? Which agency would be sanctioned to legally follow the money trail also? I realize we know a few of the money peddlers already but what about Brennan, Comey and a lot of the others?

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    • Merkin Muffley says:

      i.e. Money going to operatives like Stefan Halper? Money going to Fusion GPS? Money coming from Ukraine or the IMF? What is your hunch? How extensive was the Democrats’ looting of Ukraine???

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  44. Merkin Muffley says:

    Wasn’t Michael Horowitz’s original investigation limited to Carter Page? I seem to remember something like that.

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  45. hooligan says:

    How many FISA applications have there been over the last decade? How many were “handled”/edited by Kleinsmith? Who was Kleinsmith “trained” by? Is it a “poisoned tree or a poisoned forest”?
    questions, questions.

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    • deeperinfo says:

      Who conspired with Kleinsmith?
      Utter incompetence (or hiding the obvious) if FBI/DOJ arenot reviewing all his texts and emails.
      Did he have a Ham license? (Is there a public list to cross-reference the SwanpBorg operatives).

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  46. keystonekon says:

    On another note, isn’t it interesting that the Republican defense. / rebuttal is on a Saturday when almost no one is paying attention, I mean even fewer people than all week. I am recording it on C-SPAN 2 for hubby and going to watch it here on line with Sundance’s link so hubs can sleep.

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  47. Best says:

    Isn’t the SOTU scheduled for Feb. 4?

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  48. mtk says:

    a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?

    I have it on good authority from someone who was told by someone else that Adam Schiff while in the crapper stall was overheard by the Senate lav attendant practicing his one liners.

    And I quote…

    “I can’t can not tell a lie, I did not cut down that proverbial cherry tree!”

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  49. Zippy says:

    “In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant.”

    Uh, right… I’m sure they’ll manage to NOT find anything that hurts them.

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    • Zippy says:

      “Uh, yeah, suspected criminal, would you please go through all of your materials to find any incriminating materials relating to you? Thaaaanks.”

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  50. MLK says:

    The first, glaringly obvious to me at least, distinction being drawn is between FISA warrants sought and issued before Trump took the oath, and the two renewals thereafter.

    I won’t reinvent the wheel here but a close listen/read of Barr’s comments anticipated this first, and anything but last, resetting of the rules of the road. It’s really crazy when you think about it that the top tier of the national security state, in concert with the outgoing president and his White House staff, thought it made sense as a plan to carry out surveillance on the incoming president and his administration, and then serially lie to Trump about it, including that he was the target.

    You really can’t make it up how half-assed idiotic that is, particularly for this great republic. I mean, it sounds like something that would happen in Belarus.

    This, I think, explains the word “invalid” applied to the latter two renewals.

    It’s a bit more complicated before Trump was inaugurated. As I’ve mentioned before, better safe than sorry is going to reign when it comes to counter-intelligence investigations, even, actually, especially, at the top of the food chain like here. Barr has already made it clear that highest level FORMAL approvals and oversight will be required going forward.

    We should think of the current posture on the original Page warrant and first renewal at the moment as “Not per se invalid.” Under the unspoken rubric of what I just mentioned, Better Safe Than Sorry . . . But the fruits of that, as Barr has also mentioned, are supposed to result in a defensive briefing of the candidate and President-Elect.

    As all of us here know, THE problem that Barr has to contend with is that there actually was a criminal conspiracy by government/Obama Administration elements, conspiring with Hillary’s campaign and foreign intelligence agencies to throw the election to Hillary. Otherwise he and the FISC wouldn’t have to now be dealing with sequestration — as in who was given information from the “wiretaps” and who (illegally) continues to possess it. Remember my mentioning quite some time ago, we’re in the age of surveillance. The much tougher nut to crack is not gaining access to someone’s (or some campaign; or business) secrets, it’s being able to utilize them in furtherance of your objective without penalty.

    Also, my additional suspicion is that there’s a big dog that isn’t barking in this initial distinction being drawn between the Page FISA Warrants/Renewals relating to Brennan/CIA. Specifically on what CIA told FBI/DOJ NSD about its relationship with Page and when. What I’m getting at is that it makes no sense whatsoever that FBI/DOJ NSD didn’t formally query CIA before the fist FISA warrant on Page was sought. I suspect that there is anything but agreement among the various principal malefactors on this.

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