More IG Report Leaks – New York Times Reports FBI “Spies” Placed In/Around Trump Campaign Were Not Spying “On” Trump Campaign…

Following the IG report draft review by the principals within the DOJ/FBI small group under investigation more leaks are submitted to the New York Times in an effort to get out ahead of the scheduled publication of the final report on December 9th.

One note before content review:  The highly structured obfuscation within how these leaks are being released, in combination with the lawyers representing the principals, explains why there was such a lengthy delay after the principal review phase.

Each principal can provide feedback for inclusion in the report; however, all feedback added to the report generates an IG rebuttal.  Keep this in mind because these leaks are the “feedback” and the leakers have no idea what the IG “rebuttal” will be.  The more the principals’ obfuscate and justify conduct to the IG in their feedback, the stronger the rebuttal to that feedback will be in the final report.

The New York Times latest narrative effort is intentionally obtuse with the word “spy”:

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s inspector general found no evidence that the F.B.I. attempted to place undercover agents or informants inside Donald J. Trump’s campaign in 2016 as agents investigated whether his associates conspired with Russia’s election interference operation, people familiar with a draft of the inspector general’s report said.

[…] The finding also contradicts some of the most inflammatory accusations hurled by Mr. Trump and his supporters, who alleged not only that F.B.I. officials spied on the Trump campaign but also at one point that former President Barack Obama had ordered Mr. Trump’s phones tapped.

[…] [FBI] agents had an informant, an academic named Stefan A. Halper, meet with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos while they were affiliated with the campaign.

[…] The F.B.I. did have an undercover agent who posed as Mr. Halper’s assistant during a London meeting with Mr. Papadopoulos in August 2016.

But that’s not spying?  OK gotcha.

[…]  Mr. Horowitz will also undercut another claim by Trump allies — that the Russian intermediary who promised dirt to Mr. Papadopoulos, a Maltese professor named Joseph Mifsud, was an F.B.I. informant.

This obfuscation is really silly.  No-one has ever claimed Mifsud was an FBI informant. The concern has always been Mifsud was a western intelligence asset, perhaps CIA.

[…] The report is also expected to debunk another theory of Trump allies: that the F.B.I. relied on information to open the investigation from a British former spy, Christopher Steele, himself a onetime bureau informant who compiled a dossier of damaging, unverified information on Mr. Trump.

Another paragraph of nonsense.  No-one has alleged the Steele Dossier was used to open the FBI investigation in July 2016.  The technical origination of the FBI investigation known as Crossfire Hurricane came from the joint FBI/CIA operation into Papadopoulos on July 31st, 2016.  The questions have always been about what predicate the pre-July ’16 originating investigations into Papadopoulos, Page, Flynn and Manafort were based on.

What was the evidence of Russia’s interference in the election, known to the FBI, before July 2016?  And what was the evidence that connected the Trump campaign to that predicate claim?

[…] The inspector general will fault the F.B.I. for failing to tell the judges who approved the wiretap applications about potential problems with the dossier, the people familiar with the draft report said. F.B.I. agents have interviewed some of Mr. Steele’s sources and found that their information differed somewhat from his dossier.

Mr. Horowitz plans to say that the wiretap application, which referenced Mr. Papadopoulos, should have also included a statement he made to the undercover agent in London that could be seen as exculpatory or self-serving, the people familiar with the draft report said.  (read full article)

A ‘wired’ FBI “undercover agent” recorded an exculpatory statement from Papadopoulos, but no – they weren’t spying?  OK gotcha….  Oh, and the FBI just avoided the transcript of the ‘wired’ statement because it just didn’t fit their purposes.   But not political?  Uh-huh.

If this is the type of feedback the principals gave the IG to justify their endeavors, the rebuttal evidence will be even more interesting.

Thanks, but I’ll just wait for the actual report… AND the declassified supporting documentation that damn sure better be a part of the release !

 

 

 

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384 Responses to More IG Report Leaks – New York Times Reports FBI “Spies” Placed In/Around Trump Campaign Were Not Spying “On” Trump Campaign…

  1. hokkoda says:

    Big picture observations:

    – The small group was really stung by Barr’s statement about spying last spring. They have been working very hard since then to try and cast the spying as a legitimate investigation. These leaks show they are still extremely worried about this. Good news.
    – The report is supposed to be about “FISA”, but these leak confirm that the investigation goes well beyond Carter Page and the FISA warrants tied to him. Also good news.
    – Major, major admission by the leakers that FALSE information was indeed provided to the court. Not just Clinesmith’s edits, but also failure to include exculpatory information. That seems to confirm that the FBI committed fraud at the FISC.
    – James Baker identified as the leaker of Flynn’s TS/SCI call transcript. If I remember my NDA for my old TS/SCI clearance correctly, the penalty for unauthorized disclosure was 10 years / $10000 per offense.
    – Bruce Ohr “condemned” (separate leak) for not disclosing his meetings with Steele. Implies a criminal referral might be coming his way too.
    – NYT says that the IG will discredit “some” of Trump’s most inflammatory accusations. It then misstates most of them. Interpretation: the IG report CONFIRMS many or all of Trump’s most inflammatory accusations.

    These reports tonight at a Big Freaking Deal.
    Big picture, the report

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    • hokkoda says:

      Clarification: the James Baker at ONA, Haloer’s handler (in trouble for retaliating against a GS15 who reported him over contracting irregularities), not the James Baker who is or was FBI General Counsel. (rumored to have “flipped” and helping Durham).

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      • joshashland says:

        James Baker has ‘issues’ with FISA and has had them for a while.

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        • old white guy says:

          When is spying not spying? When the democrats do it? Sure looks that way.

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          • vincent cuomo says:

            I would not even line my Bird cage with the New York Times; notice the timing: Thanksgiving Weekend; sure to cause fur to fly at tables with split liberal and conservative family members.

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          • Orville R. Bacher says:

            So….they admit they were spying. Check.
            And the 6 assassins with sharp knives were just “an extra layer of Protection, in case the Secret Service weren’t doing their job.”
            Each and every Deep CessPool member, the Media and the Demented Party has fresh dog excrement on their noses, which everyone but themselves can see.
            What a pathetic laughing stock.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        Kris, of Lawfare, believes the unmasking of Flynn via the carter page Fisa meets the standard (although he does admit its unprecedented to use the incumbent reasoning to an incoming staff member)

        he was terrified then, and is now.

        https://www.lawfareblog.com/treatment-flynns-phone-calls-complies-fisa-minimization-procedures

        to bad they won’t say the initial Carter Page was wrong.. that could end all evidence downpath. Or will they in further review.

        MY GUESS – they will say the Carter Page Fisa was legally signed based on info they knew, but in hindsight they were misled by an Agent. So no Foul, but the Agent was fired. and Publicallly Trump was not involved with Russians, and they were playing both sides.. The this is timed perfectly with the Biden Burisma tht leads to laundering foreign aid revelations. That gets cleaned up, we get a tax cut, social programs get funded, and student aid occurs… That Kills all Dems chances of gaining voters- we hit 2020, and Hillary is prosecuted with Soros and the Fed is audited with the IMF closed with Peter Thiel’s BitCoin replacing most currency.

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    • Issy says:

      I expect this IG Report to be much like the last one. It exposed the bad behavior but the summary absolved it.

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    • kj says:

      Think about what would happen, as this whole mess unfolds, if Trump ever becomes a victim of malfeasance in the eyes of general public. The suburban soccer moms will be saying, “Well, I don’t like the way he talks, he seems mean but I don’t blame him – given what they tried to do to him”.

      That is just one more thing, besides jail, that the ‘Rats are afraid of – a 45+ state tsunami.

      ….. IF he becomes a victim figure ….

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    • TPW says:

      So what is the purpose of these leaked reports if it must be that damning in The IG’s report?……What do they hope to accomplish if the IG comes back and further makes them look like the liars and criminals they are…….What did they hope to change?

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      • hokkoda says:

        They’ll shift to the next defensible position.

        The basic story they’re trying to push is that there was “overwhelming” evidence that they couldn’t ignore. (Never mind that it was all fabricated evidence which they elected to conveniently ignore.). In their mad rush to defend the Republic against a Russian invasion and a traitor-POTUS, they just couldn’t take the chance of delay. That means some mistakes were inevitable and unfortunate. Sadly, they trusted “junior” staff to verify everything and track it all down, and gosh they’re all really sorry that they just didn’t know the whole thing was baloney. But they stand by the investigation, and still believe Trump should be stopped because it’s not that he isn’t a Russian puppet…they just couldn’t prove it.

        That’s why it’s “investigating” not “spying”, right?!

        Their next logical fallback position will be “Well, yes, some of this mistakes were pretty serious, but the CIA and IC published the ICA and the Russians did interfere, so we got the basic contours of the investigation correct.”

        I think if people start getting arrested/indicted, the fallback becomes that “Trump is orchestrating a political retribution with no evidence…probably at the behest of Russia.”

        And on and on…

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        • flyboy46 says:

          Let IT go on and on thru the Hangings! Who cares what they think or say?

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        • Thomas says:

          I think they know the American People are NOT going to go for “Trump is orchestrating a political retribution with no evidence…probably at the behest of Russia.” I think they know The American People WANT to see Arrest! and they are going to have to figure out who among is going to take one for the team.

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          • hokkoda says:

            It doesn’t matter what is true. The Russia hoax was patently absurd. Even today, I’ll hear NeverTrumpers saying things like “well, that was a very serious thing and it needed to be looked into”. No it wasn’t. It was a sick joke orchestrated by traitors in the government, the Clinton campaign, and the media. But I repeat myself…

            That’ll be their fallback though.

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      • hokkoda says:

        Drag it out long enough, and if Trump loses all the investigations magically go away.

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        • Thomas says:

          That’s why I think no matter what they will Rig the election, if Trump isn’t Re- elected not only do all the investigations Stop, but they can continue to make their lies about how none of this happened and Trump is a liar! I Never put anything past these Corrupt Criminals! They didn’t become Corrupt Criminals just over night! They have been Corrupt Criminals Their Whole Lives!

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  2. Justin Green says:

    So, a quick question that means quite a bit –

    Was Horowitz’s “inspection” limited only to the FBI/DOJ? If so, he’s missing a lot of red meat.

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    • hokkoda says:

      Yes, the IC and DoD have their own IG’s like each cabinet department does. Horowitz’s scope is limited to DOJ, which encapsulates FBI, and current employees. He can’t compel testimony, and is very limited in terms of former employees.

      Enter John Durham, who has none of these limitations.

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  3. paulashley says:

    At the height of the media frenzy about campaign spying, it always bothered me that even Trump defenders kept using the phraseology of spies being “in the campaign” rather than saying simply that agents of intelligence services were sureptitiosly interacting with campaign staff. I knew at the time this would in future allow the deep state to play semantics games, as they did with the wiretap dustup, and claim that there were in truth no spiess in the campaign.

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  4. davidberetta says:

    It’s actually sad these Government Animals (Bureaucrats), and their partners in their propaganda media have self-locked control of this Nation.

    These Propaganda Outlets disguised as “Media” are useless to anybody who are not idiots.

    Sad State of affairs folks. Morons who have low-flow of the brain CAST VOTES!

    MANY STATES of this USA refuse to IDENTIFY their “voters”.

    FRAUD! VIOLATION OF YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS as a US Citizen!

    File a Civil Rights Violation against California AND New York for starters…

    ANY BODY can actually cast a vote in these States, among many others. Vacationers, the dead, multi-voters…anybody can VOTE in these destructive states which require no identification.

    The fact that this fraudulent practice of “voting” is still allowed in 2019 tells everyone that US Elections are FRAUDULENT!

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  5. HickTick says:

    Well good grief , How long we been doing this . come on now
    Who didn’t know they would flood the air with their lies knowing We are all gathering together .
    They had to get out the bull before the report comes out . That’s on Barr for the delays .
    I hope their is a good reason like 30 indictments along with the report would go a long way to
    say We do have justice its just slow . They might blab today , but we shall get our Christmas
    surprise .

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  6. RLTW says:

    I have repeatedly stated on this site that the DOJ IG is the most corrupt part of this entire cabal. I don’t fault you ordinary citizens for not understanding. How could you know?

    I wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving. And to those who have a will to fight…I bid you prepare.

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    • We the people know says:

      It’s impossible to believe that the FISA Court has clean hands. They approved a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign via Carter Page because Carter Page was in cahoots with Russia. Hard to believe that the FISA court didn’t FREAK OUT over a request to spy on a Presidential campaign. How many times was the warrant renewed? Doesn’t the FISA court require additional evidence to justify a renewal? If so, it makes sense that the Steel dossier was submitted it parts, as needed:

      “Given all this, if the FISA warrants were applied for and issued sometime in August 2016 (best guess), it’s quite possible based on the timing that information from the Steele dossier was included as justification for the warrant. However, it’s important to note that not all of the memos comprising the Steele Dossier had been submitted by that point. Steele delivered his info to the FBI in a series of two-three page memos starting in June 2016 and continuing into December, 2016. This time frame allows for the possibility of Dossier information usage in both the initial application as well as the first renewal application.”

      There had to be a reason Clinesmith had to invent evidence for another renewal. Did they run out of Steele memos?

      I want to know more about the FISA warrant issued on General Flynn. It’s hard to believe that the FISA court didn’t FREAK OUT over a request to spy on a 3 star general.

      The FISA court was either duped by a corrupt, lying FBI or in cahoots with a corrupt, lying FBI.
      They weren’t duped. As a matter of jurisprudence NO judge should have issued warrants on a presidential political campaign and them keep renewing them. Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. But, being a secret court, no one will find out. Let’s see if Horowitz finds out. If he doesn’t, at least we’ll know that he’s corrupt too.

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      • Issy says:

        There is definitely a problem with the court. I had said it was either negligent or complicit. Your assessment is probably better.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        The FISC is clearly complicit in the spy coup. They undeniably “KNEW” that a 2-hop warrant on a low-level carter page, was to politically spy on the entire GOP presidential campaign, and PDJT. The crooked FISC renewed the spy-warrant 3 times, even after public availability of evidence of FISA wrongdoing. The FISC did not limit the FISA from overbroad 2-hop spying. The FISC KNEW (when forced to admit it by Admiral Rogers) that the DOJ-FBI were illegally spying on tens-of-thoudands of US Citizens, but did nothing. The FISC never held a hearing to discipline FBI-DOJ liars-under-oath. They never withdrew the false-l-obrained warrant. They have an extra-heavy burden to protect 4th Amendment and other rights of the thousands-to-millions of GOP campaigners and republican voters who are not represented by counsel as defendants. They should all be removed for bad behavior. There should be a Public Defender Office to represent defendants from a crooked FBI-DOF and crooked FISC, with power to subpoena FBI-oath-liars, and petition Congress to remove bad judges.

        https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-director-rogers-disclosed-fisa-abuse-days-after-carter-page-fisa-was-issued_2692033.html

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        • WT says:

          Just curious if the fact that the FISA court is an end run around the constitution to begin with factors in for you folks?

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          • Lester Smith says:

            Lets see there were spies but they werent spying. You see they just happened to be their and heard some people did something. So lets not tell Trump that maybe some people did something because it might not be anything. As POTUS said B. S. these scumbags not only spied they planted ringers to mislead and in trap. The courts are either fools or accessories to a crime. Damn right some people did something they are destroying our country and getting away with it or so they think. Were not fools try to take trump out. As dirty Harry said Make My Day. Do it just do it because some people are going to do something. Remmber you may have win the battle but lets see who wins the war. Impeach an innocent man. You dont realize your on trial and we are judge and jury. We the people will not lie down, we will not surrender and we will not forget or forgive. Oh yah kiss our ass’s you pos.

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      • bluenova1971 says:

        I don’t know if it was mentioned in the FISA warrant application or not (does anybody, other than the players and the judges?), but playing devil’s advocate here:

        What if the FISA warrant requests never mentioned a political campaign? But once they were issued, the 2-hop element brought in Gen. Flynn, and then he was “implicated” for further FISA surveillance?

        How would the FISA judges know it was to spy on the campaign?

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      • amazed treetop downlooker says:

        Very, very helpful, very, very very sadly helpful post, thanks, We the PeopleKnow

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  7. spinoneone says:

    Dear Mr. Durham:
    We, the people, expect you to do your job with no quarter asked and none given. This is the Alamo for Democracy in the Republic, and you are Santa Ana. I know that many will find that idea abhorrent, but this is an “Alamo” moment for the Deep State and we are counting on you to win.
    Regards,
    Spinoneone

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    • craig says:

      Damn right it’s abhorrent, and disquieting. Santa Anna’s men were the attackers of the Alamo and killed all the Texian defenders there. I would rather Durham instead play the role of Sam Houston at San Jacinto, avenging the crimes against the Texians.

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  8. Monadnock says:

    “never tried to place undercover agents or informants inside the Trump campaign ”

    Even if I could willingly suspend my disbelief in all NYT reporting and assume this is true, it makes NO difference.

    Getting FISA warrants on multiple Trump campaign personnel gains the Swamp the two-jump allowance that, in effect, makes the Deep State privy to anything and everything in the way of communications all the way to President Trump himself.

    With that mechanism in place, there was no need to risk inserting an operative into the campaign – a bad actor may get caught, but the FISA warrant allows massive information gathering in complete secrecy…

    The only reason we know anything about what happened is the fact that Hillary LOST. Had she won, this entire thing would have been “disappeared” and we’d be none the wiser.

    I thank God every single day for President Donald Trump.

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  9. Julian says:

    So Carter Page is just an idiot. Not some kind of FBI mole.

    Or maybe he was CIA or Naval Intelligence.

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    • Jan says:

      He’s a Stefan Halper wanna be. To get paid big bucks by the UK, U.S. or whoever to spy, set up & look for intelligence, teach at Cambridge, and hob nob with intelligence communities at their “security” conferences. That’s Carter Page’s dream job. But I honestly have no idea how he’d do as a “lecturer” because he can barely put two words together on tv.

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  10. saywhat64 says:

    Not surprising there is no spin on the entrapment scheme that was being undertaken, a topic that no one wants to bring up.

    If entrapment is eventually proven, not sure any spin by the perpetrators can downplay the severity of that deed,

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  11. Sherri Young says:

    Absence of Malice 1981

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    • Sherri Young says:

      LOL. The YouTube description for an even shorter clip from that scene —

      TheGovt101
      Published on Apr 28, 2010

      “Brief tutorial showing

      proper approach to masters

      of the universe”

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      • De Oppresso Liber says:

        Happy Thanksgiving, Sherri; I hope you and your’s are enjoying your time together.

        Wow — the America haters are going all – out now, aren’t they? The absolute laser-eye-surgery precision with which they are parsing the English language, should be a case study in perfidy. Future law school students will be instructed in the finer aspects of the art of lawfully and legally lying…..taught by former federal prosecutor and Robert Mule-ear sycophant Professor Weissmann.

        But, I believe it’s going to backfire on them BIGLY. I believe Pigglosi sunk any chances of winning a legal battle in the courts last week, with her public statements mae at an ad hoc presser she had assembled following a day of “witness testimony.” The hearings themselves were/are nothing more than pathetic attempts to fool or trick the American public (and give political cover to both congressmen and judges) into believing they are in fact actual impeachment hearings.

        However, last Friday (22 November 2019) Pigglosi stood in front of God, the American people, and her assembled group of propaganda stenographers, and said (paraphrasing, of course) that “The House has not yet determined whether or not we’re going to impeach the president; we’re still gathering information, and we’ll see where it goes…..”

        You could have knocked me down with a damn feather —

        This happened only days after her lawfare, hired-gun, anything-for-a-buck, scum-swilling lawyers argued in federal court that their current “inquiries” and “hearings” were absolutely constitutional (when ANY 1980’s high school U. S. Government student would have called Beeee — Esssss) and evidently convinced Judge Beryl Howell of the same…..although just how much “convincing” was actually necessary is open to debate.

        Because the statements were uttered by Pigglosi, publicly and on camera, well the esteemed Treeper Ristvan advised me that her comments were both highly relevant and that absolutely they should be used as evidence of Pigglosi’s ulterior motives.

        Notice that the video has been completely disappeared from literally all “news sites” favored by the America haters. But, I have no doubt President Trump has it tucked away, and will pull it out at the most advantageous moment.

        Happy Thanksgiving

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        • Sherri Young says:

          Hola & Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Senor Liber.

          Is this the video of Nanzi you mentioned?

          https://www.c-span.org/video/?466672-1/speaker-pelosi-holds-weekly-news-conference

          Dan Bongino made a remark during his latest podcast that the DS’s next bite at the apple will have to do with Turkey. The 2018-2019 annual report for the Atlantic Council just happens to mention Turkey.

          https://atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Atlantic-Council-Annual-Report-2018%E2%80%932019.pdf

          If you have a few minutes, scroll through that thing. You’ll see pics of Adam Schiff, HR McMaster, Kirstjen Nielsen, (Atlantic Council guiding light & Bushie) Brent Scowcroft, former NATO supreme commander in Europe and now COO for the (Bushie) Carlyle Group James Stavridis, and the president of the nation of Columbia Ivan Duque (why?). There is a page targeting Turkey and a couple highlighting the Atlantic Council’s new in-house propaganda shop, the Digital Forensic Research Lab (DFRLab).

          To me, this document provides enough information on the masters of the universe and their plans to keep the Treehouse quite busy. It is highly doubtful that those people would ever give up while there is breath in any of them.

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          • De Oppresso Liber says:

            No, that’s not the video I’m talking about. Pigglosi is wearing a red shirt and black pants, and it may not have been the 22nd, but is was definitely just last week. She very plainly states that “the House has not decided whether or not to impeach the president,” and that they “are gathering information,” and “we’ll see where it goes.”

            But, her lawfare scum lawyers have argued before Judge Howell that yes, indeed they are in the legal, constitutional process (spit) of impeaching President Trump. It really is simply absurd on its face, and it’s also very troubling that a federal judge could be so limited in mental capacity as to believe anyone would buy this bull, except complete morons.

            If it were my courtroom, I would be insulted that they would believe me so dumb as to accept their argument, unless I’m in ideological agreement with them, of course.

            But, regardless, I think Pigglosi has blown any hope of a legal victory (at SCOTUS – where it will obviously end up after any lower court activist judges ignore law and precedent to imperil Orange Man Bad) to hell and back.

            The Atlantic Council is a progressive, Soros-funded endeavor committed to globalist policies and power. They are going to be exposed as well, and Rudy is getting the Julian Assange treatment (in a way) for doing the exposing. I pray for that man, because he’s going to get the screws turned on him very, very badly. His two “associates” recently indicted and arrested for “FARA violations,” were supposedly working for Turkey in an attempt to get some Turkish national here in Pennsylvania I believe, handed over to Erdogan because he supposedly supported the recent coup against Erdogan, in some way.

            I may not have all of those lined up correctly; I’ll need to research that a little more, because it sounds strangely familiar to what Ltg. Flynn was being persecuted for doing.

            Anyway, the recent leaks attempting to crush and infuriate us honest, patriotic Americans are all a smoke screen (I hope!), and are intended to make us react in some violent fashion……I think.

            They (the America haters) are going to look so damn stooopid when the IG Report comes out, and it’s as devastating as Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing say.

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            • Sherri Young says:

              Here’s the Turkish national. He and Erdogan are mortal enemies.

              https://www.understandingthethreat.com/gulen-movement-islamic-domination/

              IMO, Gulen should have been expelled from the US years ago. There was speculation that the information Erdogan personally handed to PDJT during his recent trip over here to the White House had to do with Gulen and Gulen’s organization.

              Gulen is getting up there in years. The Chobani yogurt guy is considered to be his prospective successor. Here is the Chobani guy’s foundation that helps resettle refugees.

              https://www.tent.org/about/

              Several years ago, I took a couple of economics courses at University of Houston from a man named Gulen. He was excellent. Now, UofH has a Gulen Institute.

              I guess we should be flattered that both the Chinese and the Turks along with other less aligned globalists want to own us (or destroy us). We must really be that important in the eyes of others.

              It is hard to be bored these days.

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  12. Jennifer Verner says:

    So I put the gun to the teller’s head and demanded money, but it wasn’t “really”
    bank robbery. I just wanted a loan really really bad. Hey, don’t believe me, read the New York Times. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

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  13. Sherri Young says:

    We’ve had a leak…

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  14. Chuck Jones says:

    It’s like saying the rapist didn’t really rape you because he had a vasectomy. It’s a distinction that does NOT matter AT ALL.

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  15. Bert Darrell says:

    My take from the preliminary justications offered by the proverbially lying and shameless media can be summarized as follows:

    – Today’s typical journalists are corrupt mercenarries who will write about whatever they are paid for and emphasize whatever the payer wants. Truth be cheap and damned.

    – Evidence of understanding and an ability to write for an intelligent public is now totally absent. In fact, they write for presumed idiots who need to be corraled and kept in there.

    – Lying and distortion of fact are valued traits for ambitious journalist wannabes who aspire to attain the pseudo-distinguished title of reporters in media such as the NYT, the WaPo, and the so-called television networks, which enjoyed prestige in an previous and soon-to-be forgotten era.

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  16. USA First! says:

    I wish they wound have announced the date the report is coming out so that the leakers could not get their stories out to soften the impact.

    We already know that the media is going to downplay it as it is.

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    • Bayoucastine says:

      I’ve read several articles that promote the idea that ‘some’ of the info within the expected reports on Dec. 9 & 11 will be ‘leaked’ in order to slowly prepare the public for and not overwhelm the public with the sudden and total amount of evil that will be presented.
      That makes sense to me..

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      • Beau Geste says:

        We are big boys and girls. We can read. We know the DOJ/FBI/CIA, congresscritters and SES plants can be crooked. No need to “prepare” us.

        What does “overwhelmed” mean? That people would be motivated to un-elect, condemn and remove crooks?

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        • mimbler says:

          Yes, and the left doesn’t have to prepare the public for their ridiculous assertions of Russian and Ukranian collusion. IMO, that “preparing the public” is just nonsense.

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  17. FishtheDish says:

    What a pitiful attempt. “Ok gotcha” funny but so, so easy. What could they possibly be thinking? I just don’t get it.

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  18. TigerBear says:

    It’s time to replace Horowitz! Obviously he cannot protect his own reports from leaking and the security must be minimal with many able to access the info….if you believe the propaganda machines. Of course after his bs from the “No political bias found” from Lisa page and Peter S. I was ready to boot his butt out! Just my view.

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    • mimbler says:

      I’m not a Horowitz, fan, but he is required to let the perps look at his report as it affects them so that they can offer a defense if they have one. If they choose to leak, how could he have controlled that?

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  19. spoogels says:

    @TheJusticeDept IG is expected to criticize the FBI for leaving out potentially exculpatory evidence related to George Papadopoulos in a wiretap application targeting another former Trump campaign adviser.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/doj-watchdog-expected-to-criticize-fbi-for-excluding-game-changer-material-from-fisa-application

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    • Beau Geste says:

      “leaving out”, like not reporting that they planted $10K on Papadoc, and had 7 FBI agents ready to arrest him before he even went through customs? And tried to entrap and “honeypot” him with lies and CIA agents?

      Why would anyone appointed by obama like horowitz want to “criticize” that?

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  20. So how close is Durham supposedly going to get to the White House – FBI – Fusion GPS collusion, that predates all of that post-April 2016 spying? I notice his “report”, or grand jury indictments, or whatever the blank he is supposedly doing, is carefully coming in late, even later than all of this Horowitz meaningless masturbation of treason to make it look like no more than “official anguish of conscience” (as one American Thinker article this morning puts it, “The Trump is falling!”). This of course is typical, NOT getting to the origin of the criminal behavior (Barack Hussein Obama, and the subornation of “his” agencies to a personal hatred of Trump, over their professional responsibility NOT to hate, but to provide “blind” justice through law enforcement), but only kicking the can of recognition down the road (hopefully — they hope — kicking it into the thick weeds at the side of the road, to be forgotten, until they are all safely dead and buried).

    We do not have a legitimate federal government (and our state and local governments of course follow, or feed into, that illegitimate, criminal government). There is a complete schism of America’s Left and Right brains; a House Divided as never before.

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  21. Elle says:

    Two thoughts:
    1. The above comments have me laughing which means that the New York Times article is as effective (not) as the Schiff Trials. Someone should explain the Streisand Effect to Soros and Slim.

    2. That said, I have to give the Deep State credit. They got this out in time for max effect at the Thanksgiving dinner tables today.

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  22. Ol Buck says:

    Cogent reporting by the “Tree House” reveals: Putin’s pawns (fbi, cia, msm) have left rat-like urine trails all over DC. Ol Vlad’s ROI is off the charts.

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  23. To me, the most important thing about Horowitz’s report will not be “who.” It will be “what” and “how.” Because, one key take-away from all of this is that the legal and institutional controls that are supposed to check surveillance (and other …) high powers were utterly gamed – by department heads but also apparently by underlings. Judges who were supposed to be tasked with FISA decisions didn’t know how to properly make those decisions and were lied-to … and they realized this, and said so, blisteringly. Many, many other abuses also occurred.

    So, what I want Horowitz’s report do is to say: “how was it possible for these people to become felons?” Other Federal officers will identify “who,” and “what” they did, but the root-cause problems are structural, systemic, and endemic. It should have been impossible for Barak Obama to do what he did and authorized. Horowitz’s report should have been two pages long. Given that of course it is not, I think that both FISA and PATRIOT should be repealed, and replaced. There must be “Lessons Learned” as well as “Criminals Punished!” Very obviously we now have a lot to learn.

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    • To clarify the above: I consider it to be utterly obvious now that FISA, PATRIOT, and possibly other Acts are defective. In the name of protecting us from danger, they served to expose hundreds of millions of people to Unconstitutional dangers that they never even knew. They created national security issues, since every nation consists of its citizens. Congress has a fundamental duty to fix these problems forever.

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      • George 1 says:

        It’s a feature not a bug.

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      • Issy says:

        I don’t believe it can be fixed. As long as you have unethical people leading these agencies willing to game the system to advance their careers and carry out a political agenda, they will find a way to do it. You can get rid of some involved in the present scandal, but it’s just a game of whack-a-mole.

        We have too many intel agencies. They have awesome tools and power corrupts. They influence government policies. Get out of line and you get the “Six Ways to Sunday” treatment. Congress won’t/can’t exercise oversight because they are scared of them.

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      • Pew-Anon says:

        Why let small things like “defects” get in the way of the grand goal of power consolidation and centralization?

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    • Please don’t overlook the question: WHY. Why was this done? Think about it:

      A document in Central Intelligence Retirees Association’s archive points to the existence of an unofficial “Common Interest Network” of retired intelligence officers. The network, also known as CIN – “as in living-in-sin” according to one of its founders – exists to coordinate the efforts of different organizations. Described as “an unofficial Intelligence Community,” it doesn’t exist except as an abstract, with no chairman, no agenda, and “not even the formality of a rotating host list.” Yet it exists, meeting to discuss influencing Congress and the press, to successfully attack the Freedom of Information Act, and to coordinate the efforts of the organizations that make up the Common Interest Network.
      The man who ran CIN for a time, wrote that it “is a network. It is not an organization. It has no charter, no list of officers, no bylaws, no regular obligations, and it does not contemplate acquiring any.” According to Ray Cline (HALPER’s former father in law), a principle member of CIN, the acronym was appropriate because it would inevitably be pronounced “as in living-in-sin.” A former senior member… added that “CIN is a network … a loose, informal but regular gathering of representatives of the organizations with offices in the Washington area.”

      This is the means by which the INSTITUTIONS protect themselves! Remember, Maccabe didn’t open a FBI investigation on the President UNTIL Comey was fired… protecting the institution.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      “who” is extremely important. Crimes including criminal denial of civil rights, do not commit themselves. The perps need to be outed, so they can be known and shamed, as well as prosecuted. The public needs to conect names and deeds, to compare the different, unequal “justice” of a crooked DOJ/FBI.

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  24. hokkoda says:

    Morning observation: we’ve had leaks so far about Clinesmith, James Baker (ONA), Bruce Ohr, and also Stephen Halper, along with some fairly detailed spin as to what they were all doing and what they are in hot water for. Has anyone noticed the conspicuous absence of certain names from these leaks so far?

    In mafia terms, the perps so far are the crew not the capo…

    It’s also telling that this stuff flooded out on the Wed night before Thanksgiving…like a Friday document dump designed to minimize attention on it.

    I’m increasingly optimistic, not so much about the IG report, but the fallout from it. The media is straining to contain all this as a “right wing conspiracy theory” knowing that the leaks might demonstrate a roll-up of said conspiracy is taking place.

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    • All very likely, and agreed, except to wonder if our cognitive bias misses that they are getting away with it. Two weeks from now Congress will be back an the LSM bleating about Nadlers’ nuthouse, and Schiffs Starchamber will be forgotten.

      Wray, Horowitz, Barr and the Deep State are all of a one.
      Dunham will rollover “for the good of the country” and the Congressiknal corruption will continue. We can wrestle pigs all day, and you know how that goes…

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      • hokkoda says:

        Not always, but usually if there’s radio silence, it means they’re ignoring bad news because there is no way to spin it. I read something that said the higher level people will be left off the hook, and I can that happening in our incompetent government, but the leaks suggest the IG has sniffed out the conspiracy even if he doesn’t say it. That’s Durham’s job.

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  25. MitchRyderDetroitWheels says:

    I believe the conversation between The Donald and Barr (few weeks back) was in regards to what this report will show and The Donald wasn’t happy about the story.

    The White Wash is headed to the news stands.

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    • hokkoda says:

      Or Barr was upset about Trump’s “I caught them all” remark, because they need this to remain apolitical. We are reacting to an MSM reporter noticing an animated conversation that nobody was party to.

      Trump’s hour long Fox and Friends interview last week demonstrated that he firmly and unequivocally believes the Clinesmith leak was the tiniest tip of the iceberg. “This is just the beginning” and Durham will follow the IG Report “soon after”.

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      • mimbler says:

        How is it political to imply you have caught lawbreakers subverting the constitution.? If we allow them to define opposing their coup to be political, we are playing defense.

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        • hokkoda says:

          They want to keep separation, even if just rhetorical, between Trump and Durham. Optics. Trumps not going to stop speaking out. But he has shifted his tone to be more circumspect that “more is coming” rather than “I caught them all.”

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  26. OldParatrooper says:

    I guess we’ll have to wait another ten days or so to see if Horowitz examined the FBI contractor abuse of the 702 database that caused Adm Rogers to cut off their access to said database in April 2016. That was likely the motivating factor for the hiring of Orbis Ltd (Steele) and the filing of the first FISA Application in June/July.

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  27. william says:

    watergate? who needs to break in now when you can just lie on a few fisa warrants and get instant access to their emails, phone calls, etc.

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  28. George Dixon says:

    “FISA court judges are appointed by the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court”

    “When the President of the United States is tried [in the Senate], the Chief Justice shall preside”

    This would seem to be enough for Roberts to need to recuse himself as the judge of a Senate trial of President Trump.

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    • zekness says:

      THAT is a very interesting delimna you’ve identified.

      the assumption of course, relies on how if at all the current investigations implicate fisa court judges …

      even if so, a prediction that BOTH investigations will slow down to a snails pace..almost certainly to carry the impeachment cycle well into the election period 2020…this isn’t favorable in the political sense for trump I would imagine, but it might just be unavoidable..

      Both investigations: One involving the ROOT predicate determination by FBI …what is the role of Roberts there? investigation into fisa abuse…FBI misconduct…that would need to be clear enough to establish a conflict of interest from Roberts taking an active part in any senate hearing “court”..

      the second assumed investigation would relate to how the Chief Justice operates to evaluate each fisa application and approval not merely the first initial predicate…but as I understand the fisa re-approval process, there must be sufficient ADDITIONAL evidence of some sort to continue..again, what was Roberts involvement.

      One could make the argument as the first investigation begins to take shape to call chief justice as fact witness..at least that. Is his role purely academic..is the authorities delegated totally to FISC judges? Are there no higher reviews required by FISA act..I’m asking because I don’t know these answers

      along those line,if Roberts played ANY part in reviewing ANY of these individual FISA applications and approvals, recusal from impeachment court judge in senate would be expected and normal…IANA obviously.

      so lets play along, with the assumptions: who becomes the senate court judge in the impeachment trial in his stead? Is there an actual rank and file that is recognized, or it is subject to some other selection process internally among SCOTUS members?

      this is going to be interesting.

      I am not the typical american who has grown tired of this saga..it must be dealt with all the way down. It might take years …I’m all in. This is perhaps the greatest challenge of my generation..I will not rest until I see justice applied in a way I can be proud of the Justice Department….I will not rest until I see reforms to the patriot act.

      it’s clearly been manipulated and that is the single greatest threat to national security…no question about it.

      thanks for taking the time to register a big picture element and a very future view..

      R,

      Tim

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  29. Chewbarkah says:

    First question for Lindsay Grahame to ask Horowitz: Did you interview Carter Page?
    If answer is “No”, ask why? Then ask how the report can be complete or accurate without interviewing a primary witness. Page’s history with the IC, what he was told by whom and when, how he came to be an advisor to the Trump campaign are fundamental to this investigation. How could Horowitz possibly pretend to understand this mess without deposing Page, Papadopoulos, Mifsud, Steele, Halper, Downer, etc. Another farce, coming up.

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  30. gulffrit says:

    Horowitz is a member of the Deep State/leviathan bureaucracy himself, so maybe he’s calling the nefarious activities ‘mistakes’ – we all know better.

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  31. Tl Howard says:

    A sizable portion of Americans do not trust Congress as they’ve gone from “loyal opposition” to proponents and practicers of subversion. A sizable portion have no faith in agencies once revered such as the DOJ and the FBI. A sizable portion are just finding out that the United States, since 9/11 and the advent the power grab by high tech, have no privacy whatsoever. Another portion,those not aware of the demise of journalism over the last few decades, have just awakened to the notion that most MSM outlets are nothing more than propaganda and that on-screen “talent” are nothing more than actors reading a script.

    There is no way to return faith to the people other than to unmask the people who abused their power. Only a few people have the power to do that. Lord, give them strength.

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    • zekness says:

      bubble headed bleach blonde comes on a five…

      even the eagles knew of the problems waaaay back in 1982…

      what I find confusing is why people put ANY stock in main stream media…laziness…mass delusion and epidemic levels of cognitive bias? is it the water?

      we know the reasons..and they are many…and it has been creeping into sentiment mostly by a press and corrupt politics where no other choices are presented valid.

      this is why I strongly defend WIKILEAKS..I know its contentious..but the reality is, the gold standard of reporting journalism is to publish the very thing that it’s never suppose to see the light of day….for me it was watershed moment for at least a few percent of the population to have an aha moment and realize the press was actually attacking what appeared to be and WAS accurate undiluted raw unsalted truth. THAT reaction should have sent way more people to reconsider realities. But it hasn’t and that is very worrying to me. The press has successfully passed the first hardcore test..and they have actually gained more traction…It’s sad…but true.

      that is what make main stream media fearful..that they will not be able to successfully augment reality with the narratives they intend to install/perpetrate..

      it’s really no suprise that once the main stream media (all of them) realized how powerful the truth is and that the people have a serious appetite for it, they, all of them, went full combat mode to make assange public enemy number one…kill the messenger…just as they did the mecury reporter who stood out alone in the wilderness a few years back and had the courage to actually report facts. that was the first test…and the main stream media won that battle.

      the fundamental reason they can’t allow assange to register authentically, is not necessarily because he damaged their favorite candidate..nope..they realized the truth is an existential threat to the fraudulent purposes they have manufactured and send down range every day..for decades.

      so what is the next test for the main stream media?

      fisa abuse…fbi/doj corruption…partiot act misconduct…impeachment process..

      how can we expect the american people will get to see behind the curtain again..with the lights on..

      ?

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  32. Minuteman says:

    At this point I consider any content from the NYT, WP, AP, CNN, MSNBC, NBCABCCBSPBS to be the effluent released from the southern end of a herd of northbound cattle which is then artfully compressed into an artifice resembling a coherent narrative that has nothing in common with truth, save its ability to provide an explanation. They are as real as the Wizard of Oz.

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  33. RAC says:

    Seems the fake news needs even faker news to back it up…..
    ” Former Obama Operatives Creating FAKE NEWS Sites To Help Democrats Win Election ”
    https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/11/former-obama-operatives-creating-fake-news-sites-to-help-democrats-win-election/

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  34. Jamie says:

    What snowflakes are really saying, is they wish the NY Times had written the IG report. Sad!

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  35. Ken Williams says:

    I’m not sure how much longer I can argue with these people. When they say the FBI didn’t spy on the Trump campaign, but they did secretly collect and reports information on the activities, movements, and plans of the Trump campaign, I don’t know how to respond.

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  36. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    Christopher Steele, himself a onetime bureau informant who compiled a dossier of damaging, unverified information on Mr. Trump.
    Damaging, unverified…… Unverified damaging? Now why would that be? Almost sounds like it was made up. 🙂

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  37. Bit Coyne says:

    The key here is the statement that the FBI did not place someone inside the campaign. Horowitz only investigates U.S. government actions. The spies inside the campaign were foreign intelligence
    agents placed there at the request of someone–a DNC operative outside the gov’t?

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  38. Terra Rayner says:

    Another aspect needs consideration…the FISA that we know about is on Carter Page…who left the campaign long before the FISA. We also know they tried to get one in June of 2016..but we don’t know who that was against! I still think the FISA was cover for all the crap they already did up to that point..also they need to explain the plant they put at the WH at the beginning of the administration! All the unmaskings by Samantha Power need addressed also! The FISA is only a piece of it!

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  39. ChampagneReady says:

    The job of the NYT has been to constantly pour perfume over what is in the litter box.

    I’m going by what Victoria Toensing said on Lou Dobbs show: “I have a VERY (and highly emphasized this word) good source who says it’s going to be even worse than you can imagine for democrats.”

    Victoria who is Joe D’s wife and law partner to my memory has never exaggerated or embellished anything even when given many chances to do it in interviews. Hannity several times tried to get her to say things she would obviously know. She was always very reserved in how she would comment.

    But not this. She was excited about her source telling her and there was no question that she felt confident believing who this source was and that the report was going to be devastating.

    I will put my faith in Victoria Toensing, not what the New York Times is rushing out as the democrat’s faithful damage control pimp.

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  40. mylabs5 says:

    I’ve already posted on this but I have this lingering question.
    Did Horowitz interview Adm. Mike Rogers?
    I’ve heard nothing on it. He was instrumental in exposing the illegal surveillance post election at Trump tower to Trump.
    Wouldn’t it be fascinating to find out about whether Rogers was included in the report?

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  41. Joemama says:

    Adam Goldman
    Maggie Haberman

    These are two NYT reporters that are lying to the public on behalf of the deep state. Who are their handlers? Are they paid propagandists for some organization?

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  42. 2Alpha says:

    My gut feeling is that the Horowitz report will reveal a bunch of nothing. I just don’t trust this guy.
    I expect his investigation will reveal nothing more than a cursory look at surface anomalies instead of any in-depth inspection of the basic landscape.
    He won’t find any corruption. Nobody will be singled out.
    He won’t implicate anybody in the ‘deep state’ because he’s part of it.

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