Carter Page Discusses Revelation FBI Lawyer Manipulated Evidence to Gain FISA Warrant on Him…

Former foreign policy adviser to President Trump Carter Page discusses the breaking reports of FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith altering documents in the 2016 Russia probe to gain a FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant on him and the Trump campaign.

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131 Responses to Carter Page Discusses Revelation FBI Lawyer Manipulated Evidence to Gain FISA Warrant on Him…

  1. Genie says:

    Page could have added a line about the two-hop aspect of the intelligence gathering. That needs more emphasis with the folks just now starting to hear about FISA.

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    • Paula S Daly says:

      Devin Nunes told Lee Smith, that never happened, but it was way worse what they did.

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    • Lawrence says:

      I agree. After all of this time I don’t think there are very many people who understand that the spying on Page meant that they could spy on anyone with the Trump campaign – including the real target – Trump himself.

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      • deepdivemaga says:

        Yep, which is so frustrating about this whole ordeal. We’ve known about this for years, but I can only count a handful of time where I’ve heard any newscaster, commentator, article, or really anyone in the political world talk about the “two hop” process.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      Page is DIRTY. He was definitely involved with the COUP. Why else would he keep occasionally calling members of Trump’s teams ‘just to keep in contact?’ As I recall the timing for the calls was just around the time the 90 day period for each FISA expired.

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      • Lucille says:

        “He was definitely involved with the COUP.” You’ve a right to your opinion, of course. But honestly? Proof, please.

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        • johnnyfandango says:

          Page is a bit of a dweeb. There are claims he was an informant for the FBI against a Russian target or company. If so, he could have been a plant against Trump. Andrew McCarthy is not sold on Page and it seems he knows something and is always holding back. So I don’t know what to make of Page. If I were in his shoes, I would have been screaming bloody murder, hiring a high end attorney and suing everyone. You don’t see that and it appears he pulls his punches.

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          • Personally, I’m not sold on Andrew McCarthy…

            If I were in Carter Page’s shoes, I WOULDN’T be screaming bloody murder. I know how the FBI operates. And, Carter Page knows better than I, how the freakin’ FBI operates. I’m not even sure I’d have been as courageous as Page was. The safest route would have been just keep your head down and keep your mouth shut. He made more waves than I would have.

            The FBI is corrupt to its rotten core. General Flynn was abused 1000 times worse than Carter Page, but even with all the information and assistance that Mike Flynn has had, he’s no where near the point of suing the FBI, and he’s been at it for over three years. Flynn is still fighting his original fight against the FBI. They will continue to try and wear him down, then wear him out. Carter Page is fortunate that he isn’t bankrupt and still has his house.

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          • Agreed. In the interview which I had a hard time digesting because Page is difficult to listen to but at the 2:46 point he says that he “got no say whatsoever” in the FISA warrants. He then says that continues to happen with reference to the IG report. I recall reading here last week or so that Page was complaining about he didn’t preview rights to the IG report. Well I would think that a FISA target would not generally expect to have nor actually have any say whatsoever in the FISA filed against him/her. Makes me wonder if Page’s indignity was not really at being surveilled but rather perhaps as a willing participant was just upset he couldn’t influence what was said about himself in the FISA application.

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          • You nailed it, my friend!

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        How can he have any clients these past few years? He is radioactive.

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      • Redzone says:

        Page very likely agreed to be in on the surveillance. However, I think the IC lied to him about the reason. This is why he is only a little upset. If so, not sure how that affects the FISA process.

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        • WhiteBoard says:

          Page agrees to help this country…

          He agreed and informed the proper channels of the abuse, and in return Trump was informed so he could be a step ahead misleading the surveillers..

          Watch. See. Page did what he does but all surveillance can be made self harming.

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    • oldguy05 says:

      The six degrees of Carter’s bacon.

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  2. flatlandgoober says:

    Heads on pikes for the holidays. That’s not too much to ask, is it?

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  3. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    That was a great little 15-minute interview on Bartiromo’s show this morning.
    Well worth a watch.

    ~~~~~~~ TRUMP 2020 ~~~~~~~

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  4. FofBW says:

    Sundance either got up very early or is still up.

    This must be VERY important!

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  5. Sentient says:

    Are we still considering the possibility that Page was less a victim than an FBI mole – that he was in on it? He’d been a paid FBI informant in the past. I honestly don’t know whether the Page-as-mole theorem has been debunked. (Hate to even use the term “debunked” since whenever the media says something is debunked it means it’s a rock-solid certainty.)

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    • reggiemeezer says:

      When it comes to trying to take out Trump, anything is possible

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    • Everett Miller says:

      All the reporting talking heads also leave out this MOST IMPORTANT aspect when mentioning that the alphabets spied on 2 members of the Trump Team. This two-hop is the whole point! They were able to surveil everybody, including The Man himself.

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    • The Dark Lord says:

      sometimes being paranoid is just being paranoid … if he was a mole they wouldn’t have had to cheat to get a FISA on him … so its obvious he wasn’t a mole …

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      • Everett Miller says:

        you aren’t getting it. with the FISA they had two-hop circle of contacts; everyone he contacted (by phone, text, email, or just plain talking) could also be fully so surveiled; and then, everyone each of those contacted were also included in the net for full surveil. This allowed them to legally observe everything and everyone in the Trump Team. Vastly more expansive and comprehensive than just the clown Page reporting back what he saw or heard. it’s obvious he WAS a mole.

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        • JL says:

          Yep. If Carter page had 50 contacts, and each of those contacts had 50 contacts, that’s potentially 2,550 people that were spied on. Potentially.

          It would probably be less, because a lot of those contacts would be shared by multiple people. But it makes the point of how easy it is to surveil massive numbers of people with a single warrant.

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          • Maquis says:

            Even more effective if he could be manipulated, or directed, to engage with targets the conspirators wanted to surveil.

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          • Beau Geste says:

            It would probably be orders of magnitude more, because a political campaign organization contacts many more than 50 people, all across the US. Donors, StateGOP organization, candidates, journalists, lawyers, pollsters, contractors, tens-of-thousands or millions. And theit work product, straight to obama’s minions. Didn’t you get emails and mailings? That means you were within the FISA Spy warrant.

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        • MelH says:

          The FISA was done and immediately they did way more than 2 hops, surveilled everyone i the President’s family and probably are still at it.

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      • YY4U says:

        Carter Page comes off as naive and not all that bright. Not saying he isn’t bright, just that he does not present well in interviews. From what I read about his prior involvement with FBI was that a Russian approached him, he went to the FBI and cooperated. That hardly is being a “mole”.

        I listened to the whole interview and really didn’t learn much from Page other than he was contacted by Halper (it would have been nice to have a date this happened), and beginning in July 2016, all kinds of corrupt media (corrupt my word) began contacting him.

        THAT was the bombshell especially if one has read the Papadopoulos book (Deep State Target) because they were doing the same thing to Papadopoulos. PopaD is a much better interview. He has more facts straight. Page needs to write everything down and consult notes. (I get rattled when speaking extraneously, too, so this is not a criticism).

        He seems like a nice man, an average American who got in the way of the Clinton machine and was or nearly was destroyed. He has lots of company.

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        • JL says:

          His prior involvement with the FBI was more extensive than that. He was literally a CI. Every time he returned stateside from Russia, he would be debriefed by handlers from multiple intelligence agencies. He did this numerous times. That’s a lot more than reporting a single contact.

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          • Maquis says:

            Essentially an operative, playing a role, I can’t shake the feeling he still is. When queried about how the scheme affected him he never answered that, he went straight to a lengthy “cover-up” narrative and I am left wondering if that’s not simply the damage control obfustation du jour. I always come away from a Page interview feeling I actually lost understanding rather than gsined.

            Also, why doesn’t he, or his interviewers, ever ask about his earlier FBI CI role and how odd it would be for such a trusted and ultimately useful actor, who had not been in the least censured nor suspected, to suddenly be regarded as a dangerous foreign agent? That never comes out even though it would speak loudly to disingenuous governmental perfidy, perhaps because it also speaks at least as loudly that he might have been, and still be, playing a role?

            His protestations are odd and seem to ring hollow. Mentally placing oneself in his shoes would not the sting of this betrayal be at the forefront of one’s mind? The illuminating point of emphasis in every media encounter?

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            • Fringe Dweller says:

              Exactly this. Like.

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              • yy4u says:

                You guys may be right; I just don’t think he’s smart enough to be a successful FBI informant.

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                • johnnyfandango says:

                  And the FBI, they are so smart?

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                • lftpm says:

                  Page is smart: he was in the top 10th of his class at Annapolis, graduating with distinction, MA in international relations Georgetown, MBA NYU-Stern, PhD U London.

                  I’m suspicious of his placement in the Trump team, and the two-hop FISA warrant the FBI got on him. For example:

                  He was the ONLY named target, being classified as a suspected agent for Russia, but was never indicted nor arrested nor even threatened with any potential charges for anything.

                  He had long served as a trusted FBI informant who previously helped get two Russians indicted.

                  The FISA warrant was sought and obtained AFTER Page HAD LEFT the Trump campaign. The Title I warrant enabled “upstream” data collection of comms made months / years PRIOR TO the warrant’s issuance.

                  It looks too much like a ruse to invade Trump’s comms, especially given the 3 warrant renewals sought until fall 2017, a full year after Page had left the Trump team.

                  My hunch is Page may have been a witting collaborator in this FISA scheme.

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            • Beau Geste says:

              Why would the IG horowitz, with 500 investigators, decline to interview carter page?
              “Carter, please describe all your communications with the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and their operatives, starting from your first contact. (we have all the reports, so please be accurate)”
              “Carter, have you been a mole, spy or plant in the Trump campaign? Did you make any reports to any government agency?”
              “Carter, are you a russian or other foreign spy?”
              “Carter, did you ever get any money or favors from any government agency?”
              “Carter, when, if ever, did you first communicate directly or indirectly with FBI agent Strozk, Fusion GPS, Christopher steele, anyone from the hillary campaign, the DNS, perkins-coie, jeffery epstein, the new york times, brenner, clapper, or voldemort?”

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              • Bird Watcher says:

                Best question yet! Why indeed was Page NOT interviewed by Horowitz????

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                • Horowitz can only require current employees of the FBI and DOJ to submit to an interview with him. Government employees of other agencies are not required to meet with Horowitz for interviews; Horowitz cannot compel employees of other government agencies to interview with him; and Horowitz cannot compel private citizens to meet with him for interviews.

                  This is why Page was not interviewed by Horowitz.

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      • Redzone says:

        I disagree. If Page somehow agrees to be considered a Russian operative so he can be surveiled, the IC doesn’t have an automatic greenlight to monitor everyone within 2 hops. That would still require some type of court order.

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        • lftpm says:

          No, that’s how a Title I warrant works. The FISC approved a warrant that contained two-hop surveillance authorization, built in, per the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act’s terms.

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      • MJAlexander says:

        I don’t think anyone has really answered TDL’s assertion here, that if Page were a plant, the FBI would not have had to alter documents or falsify anything in order to justify the warrant. I can’t just ignore that because it’s inconvenient.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      In that instance–that he an FBI mole–his “performances” these last two years on tv would be puzzling, right? I mean, he’s been on tv innumerable times convincing us that he is the VICTIM of the FBI, that his civil rights have been violated.

      The only way it makes sense that he is a mole is if he’s a mole for the CIA, which is trying to blame all that happened on the FBI, which is possible, of course.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      IMO he was in on it. See my comment above. Why TF keep calling Trump or ex-Trump people if not to reactive the FISAs?

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    • Nessie509 says:

      “Debunked” means Liberals don’t agree with you.
      How can Page’s defamation/ violation of his rights lawsuit make sense if he is a mole?

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    • MelH says:

      https://www.theepochtimes.com/spygate-the-inside-story-behind-the-alleged-plot-to-take-down-trump_2833074.html You’ve no doubt read parts of this before, but the details on Sally Yates and Priestep and Carter page are different from what I had read before. The plot is so thick, my bloodpressure is over the top. What they did to this President, even BEFORE he was elected, is criminal and they ALL ought to be in GITMO. Lots more detail in this link than I had read anywhere else.

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  6. TrumpPatriot says:

    Exceptional interview. Very informative as to Page’s ordeal after having fake information planted in the media by the Democrats/government cabal in order to circle back to get the FISA warrant which gave them access to a Presidential campaign, and the repercussions suffered by an innocent man used as a tool for spying.

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    • Some old guy says:

      Given the new publicly available information, how does Carter not have a basis for damages?

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      • swamph8er says:

        Because he is a CIA weasel who specializes in FISA abuse. In 2014 he got cozy with some Russians…then the FBI got a FISA on him to “2 hop” everyone.

        They did the exact same operation in 2014 and 2016.

        He keeps representing himself in court…anyone else would be suing for millions.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          IIRC, the monetary damage he is requesting is $1.00. He wants to clear his name.

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        • Beau Geste says:

          Unlike papadopolous, he didn’t get slipped $10,000 to try to trick him to bring it into the US.

          He didn’t even get questioned to frame him with a 18 USC 1001 “misstatement” like papadopolous, General Flynn, martha stewart, et al.

          The FISA Warrant alleged he was a foreign agent, but he was never even asked about any activities relating to this allegation.

          IG horowitz hasn’t asked these questions, either, which is appalling dereliction, and a “tell” that the sworn FISA allegation of Page being such an enormous danger to our national security that a political campaign had to be secretly spied on, was completely false and phony.

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  7. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “…FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith altering documents in the 2016 Russia probe to gain a FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant on him and the Trump campaign.”

    Wonderful talking points for the Sunday talkie shows featuring the almost totally corrupted “fake news” propaganda outlets, instead the planned “impeachment” swill.

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    • Maquis says:

      You mean to say, Squirrel?

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      They’re throwing Kevin Clinesmith not just under the bus but under a whole convoy of steamrollers.
      WHO THE HELL HAD HIM ALTER THE FISA???

      DELENDA EST BIDEN

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      • yy4u says:

        The Clinton machine ALWAYS has a fall guy, Tars — ALWAYS.

        Remember Web Hubbell? He went to jail (and earned a pretty penny while in the slammer “consulting” in matters of the law with people connected to the Clintons).

        Remember Susan MacDougal? She went to jail for refusing to testify to Starr’s committee? Her estranged husband, Jim, chose to cooperate and had a heart attack right after being transferred to solitary confinement.

        Clinesmith got caught, so will have to keep his mouth shut and take his wormwood like a good boy. He’ll probably make a lot of money in the slammer ala Hubbell. If he doesn’t go quietly, then he very well could have a heart attack (MacDougal) or have the urge to off himself (Foster, Epstein) or even be in a plane that crashes (Ron Brown).

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  8. JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

    Carter Page was USED by FBI to smear Trump and never forget it was James Wolfe and Ali Watkins (and Mark Warner) who were responsible for getting his name out there. He should sue their scummy asses.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      So isn’t that a tell if he doesn’t sue because it would appear to be clear cut IMO

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      • The Dark Lord says:

        no … do you have the money to fund his suit ? doubt he does either …

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        • Perot Conservative says:

          He couldn’t raise lawyer funds via a GoFundMe page?

          I don’t follow every twist and turn, but my hunch has been CIA. With his academic record, he isn’t a fool.

          If we had a free press, we would know more about Halper’s Northern Virginia farm, his wife, where he eats, where he lives in the UK, etc.

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  9. Ausonius says:

    “Whatever it takes!” – Billy Jeff “I Can’t Keep My Barn Door Closed” Clinton when questioned about dishonest and lying campaign ads.

    DEM Philosophy: ANYTHING, no matter how illegal, corrupt, or immoral is allowed to destroy President Trump.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      Hillary: “If that f$$$ing bastard (Donald Trump) wins, we all hang from nooses.”

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    • Zorro says:

      Yes, we hate that Dem attitude but if you take it as a WAR time attitude then, yes, you will do anything to destroy the enemy. Think about WW II. The problem is not a lot of R people outside Trump and Freedom Caucus act like it is a war.

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    • Sharon says:

      Keep in mind the declaration of Hillary’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, in his tweet dated June 13, 2016, before Trump had not yet been nominated: (The Republican convention was held July 18-20.)

      “It is not enough to simply beat Trump. He must be destroyed thoroughly. His kind must not rise again.”

      “HIS KIND……” – – – oh. My. That would be you and me. My two living brothers. My neighbors. Our small towns. 98% of flyover country.

      There are millions of “Trump’s kind) in this nation, who elected him. The Democrat machine is still, and will continue to be, dead set on destroying us so that our kind will never hold significant office in this Republic. What remains of it.

      Here’s where our kind live and vote:

      https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/

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  10. ezpz2 says:

    Great interview. I look forward to hearing more info about his pending court hearing.

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  11. bessie2003 says:

    Refreshing interview, more like a one on one conversation instead of simply having a reporter focused on hitting their talking points.

    Hope that he finds peace after having been used by political operatives as if his life is an easy throw-away by government employees to use at they see fit, i.e hopefully another step in eliminating the idea that it’s okay to have forgotten men or women as long as the gov’t thinks the ends justify the means.

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  12. TruthSeeker says:

    Carter Page is hard to figure out.. his slight smiles indicate he definitely knows more of what’s going on that he says. At this point I’m leaning towards he’s one of the good guys.

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    • GB Bari says:

      He was noticeably more animated in this interview than he’s been in previous TV appearances. He did a lot of eyebrow-raising when he began to respond to Maria’s questions. I was struck that his animation was a bit exaggerated (“over” acting?) but I can’t get inside his head and know how nervous he may or may not have been.

      My position on him remains unchanged – he just strikes me as an odd character who is difficult to read (re. if he’s really being truthful, honest, genuine…), which from my experience generally means – use a lot of caution.

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      • Maquis says:

        I concur.

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      • Newhere says:

        He’s the only character in this whole mess to be both at the eye of the storm, yet totally, mysteriously untouched, really in any way.

        If I had to guess, I’d say his recent suit to review the FISA report was tied to (or cover for) a negotiation to preserve the secret of his informant status in all this. It always seemed like he was planted in the campaign as an informant, as we know he very recently was used by US intelligence in such a capacity. He’s probably just an operative who deployed into the Trump campaign as he has in other situations, on information and orders from agents but not as part of the plot. If he *had* been part of the plot, then his cover might rightfully be blown. But seems like he was an “innocent” covert informant in the sense of carrying out his limited role as usual, so he wouldn’t be a target for indictment — and he and others in the institutions may not want his role in all this fully disclosed.

        Perhaps that’s what he was gaining assurance on, and why he seems more liberated now.

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    • delighteddeplorable says:

      Really an odd duck. It sure seems like there’s more to his story and that being enigmatic is part of his job description. He does it well.
      When a the dust settles from this mess, maybe well learn the truth about Carter Page. Or not. 😎

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      • BitterC says:

        Carter Page, the Detective Columbo of spies.

        They sure burned a lot of assets to get Trump. I don’t think the true nature of his involvement with the Russian spies in NYC came out until the Trump Russia nonsense.

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  13. Mike Robinson says:

    What I want to know from Mr. Horowitz is, not only who is a felon, but, through what failures of law, process and/or procedure was it possible for them to become felons? Exactly how was it possible for this agent to alter evidence, period? Did the FBI chief’s signature on some dotted line actually mean any damned thing at all?

    We’re talking about draconian surveillance powers which [secretly …] touch “literally everyone,” and they seem to be utterly out of control. How did this happen and what must we do to fix it? This is a national security issue since a nation consists of its millions of citizens, ALL of whom are exposed, apparently “to mere minions!” 😡

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    • GB Bari says:

      That’s a good question however I think more folks are simply frustrated at not knowing what amount of lawbreaking / procedure-violation / rule-breaking / unethical actions – that it requires for Horowitz to refer someone for severe penalties including prosecution.

      Then I’m pretty certain that most of us want to know – in the context of the Muh Russia, FISA, and Spygate scandals – exactly WHAT threshold of violations has to be crossed for the DOJ to proceed with indictments and prosecutions.

      Of course I never expect anyone to provide even the slightest hint at answering these questions since it would then provide us a means to measure and be able to clearly tell when the DOJ / FBI are covering up for a crooked member of their organizations.

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    • twingirls (@twingirls49) says:

      Mike, it’s not just domestic national security it’s international policy. Witnesses this week testified that the CIA data influenced their “inter-agency” thinking.

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  14. datagooroo says:

    He said “Shiff Show” and smiled.

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  15. snellvillebob says:

    So basically anyone in the FBI can write up anything they want to, put it in the Woods File, and it can be used as unquestionable evidence in court? That is just so wrong in so many ways. I hope the Senate removes the extension of FISA from the temporary budget sustaining bill before them.

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    • hokkoda says:

      It is entirely possible that you are right. I’ve written before here about how the government operates on the basis of “triggers”. These triggers launch 1,000 actions in which everyone accepts as 100% factual the original trigger. Nobody questions it. The trigger is pulled and things happen.

      For high level government employees like Comey or Strzok or Brennan, if you know what trigger to pull and how to pull it, a lot of things happen very fast that are tough to stop.

      Comey knew, for example, that “memos” that are written at some prior date are considered by the government to be evidence because you wrote it back before the controversy started, so the memos must be legit. Anybody who ever had to fire somebody through HR knows this…if you have “documentation”…it’s evidence and nobody really questions it because you wrote it way-back-when before you even thought about firing the person (or so you claim).

      But if you’re willing to think ahead 3-6-9 months, you can write a bunch of fake memos that you’ll release when you need to. In Comey’s case, to trigger a special counsel appointment… It’s all about the triggers. Brennans ICA is another trigger…nobody really questions it or the sourcing of it…they’re all one big happy family, why would anyone lie on an ICA? So the ICA gets published, and that triggers a bunch of other actions like spying on the Trump Transition team.

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      • Sharon says:

        Exactly. Thank you for laying it out.

        People who don’t habitually lie and manipulate in order to destroy others are SO far behind the curve when it comes to dealing with those who consider lying and deceiving a necessary, basic skill.

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      • Maquis says:

        Hence the dangers of a massive self-interested hair-trigger weaponized government that endlessly targets innocent citizens.

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  16. Everett Miller says:

    I am now 99% certain that Carter Page is a co-conspirator. His body language, tortured syntax, incomprehensible gibberish, inability to answer virtually any question, no charges or information about any of his ‘activities’, and the circumstance of his history of being a known FBI team-player, makes his involvement as the “target” almost certainly as willing participant–looking forward to his big book-deal payoffs. He’s a rich man for doing this and he knows it; that’s all I see on his sickeningly-smiling face.

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    • The Dark Lord says:

      so why did they have to cheat to get a FISA on him ? if he was in on it they wouldn’t have had to cheat … stop being a mind reader based on body language …
      this whole comment thread is turning into one big conspiracy theory …

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      • Everett Miller says:

        so you’re thinking Carter Page would just go into the FISA court and say, “hey, I’m working for the FBI and I’m OK with you granting full FISC surveillance on the entire Trump Team (through the two-hop circles of contacts), and I don’t mind, so just go ahead and issue the orders, OK Judge?”
        what planet are you living on?
        They had to cheat and lie to the court, and create false “evidence” to get the approval from the court–no matter who the initial ‘target’ is/was.
        OK, forget the body language. think it through. Get a grip.

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        • Maquis says:

          Exactly. He was already their man on a successful Russian sting and trial, to become an enemy agent tout a fois they literally had to dirty him up with faked evidence. How could he have cooperated in such a process short of literally committing crimes as directed by the FBI? Even if in on it he had to rely on the FBI to fake the papetwork.

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      • Bryan Alexander says:

        They cheated to get the FISA warrant on the Trump campaign. He was simply the doorway. They needed to get in the house.

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      • Lucille says:

        “…this whole comment thread is turning into one big conspiracy theory.”

        Amen to that, The Dark Lord! Mind-readers and pretend inside information.

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        • Everett Miller says:

          So, Lucille, since I think Carter Page was a willing participant being a known FBI operative, you have the audacity to link me up with “The Dark Lord”? ??? Really? No Thank you.
          Besides being insulting to the maximum, your shady virtue signalling has exposed which side of you–the Light, or The Dark?

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          • Lucille says:

            How excessively childish, Everett! “…shady virtue signaling”, oh my, how tiresome! First off, Everett, I didn’t even read your post and had to go back up to find out what you found so outrageous. Secondly, REALLY, Everett!

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      • teabag14 says:

        I think this is an excellent time to cite Occam’s Razor with regard to the FISA application and its purpose. 🤷‍♀️

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  17. Some guy says:

    He never has a bad word to say about Stefan Halper…

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  18. Interesting, Everett – that’s exactly the kind of evidence I’ve heard for the last two weeks in the Schiff show.
    I’m no Carter Page fan (I can’t figure him out), but sure don’t think he should be defamed without evidence. Otherwise we’re just like the DIMs.

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  19. swamph8er says:

    Page blames the media, democrats, and the FBI. Interesting that he never mentions the CIA…who he worked for.

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  20. Tl Howard says:

    Good interview, just watched it. This is the most cogent I’ve seen Page, probably because the segment gave him time and Maria’s questions were good. Academy grads are engineering/math students, and verbal fluency, esp. oral verbal fluency is not the forte of many of them. I think that accounts for much of what many see in Page.

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    • gary says:

      i see innocence.

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      • Tl Howard says:

        Well, it’s hard for me to accept “innocence” when this is a guy who has studied war and who knows what else at a military academy, a guy who has been around the intel community for a long time, a guy who has met all manner of international and US intel people….so, no, I can’t really accept “innocence.” He has wide eyes, a slow way of talking…so perhaps his physical traits give us a stereotypical perception of innocence but call me skeptical that that extends to his logos or ethos, as the Greeks referred to those parts of ourselves.

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  21. Steve says:

    They say the cover up is where you get caught out.

    My alternative theory on this, is the altered document is not actually from the initial FISA warrant, it was from evidence provided in 2019 to Horowitz by the bad actor/s to justify their actions in 2016.

    Thoughts?

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  22. Bryan Alexander says:

    Until I am convinced with documentation that proves otherwise, I believe Carter Page joined the Trump team at the behest of the CIA. Page’s background SCREAMS CIA-mole.

    Page comes across as a doofus. He is anything but that. The guy was Top-10% in his class at Annapolis, got a Masters from Georgetown, an MBA from New York University and a PhD from the University of London.

    He did a stint in an Intelligence Unit with a United Nations Peacekeeping force.

    This guy has a case to sue the daylights out of the Government. He is bee-bopping along like everything is hunky-dory.

    He was placed in the campaign by the CIA/FBI. He may not have known what for, but when he heard about the FISA warrant, he knows EXACTLY why they wanted him there.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      And Ambassador Bill Taylor was Top 5 in his class at West Point. Would you call him a decisive incisive intelligent and wise man?

      Receiving good grades does not mean you earned good grades. The corruption in grade inflation is incredible in many of our top colleges and academies.

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      • Bryan Alexander says:

        Taylor was no dummy. He came across as smart. He had a VERY strong bias for State Department ways of doing things. He did not strike me as dumb at all, though.

        I think Carter Page’s appearances are an act.

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        • BitterC says:

          I was hoping so badly that someone would ask Taylor is he had been taking copious notes over the decades of his career.

          That he had over Trump’s interests in Ukraine struck me as suspicious. Like the Comey memos

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  23. Mortimer says:

    If memory serves me, Strzok was removed from the Mueller witch hunt in July 2017?

    If that is close, then I think we now know why Mueller did NOT renew the FISA again after June 2017. Another renewal in Sept-Oct 2017 AFTER he kinew the original FISA was bogus …. would have been a huge problem once this came out.

    The way it stands, all those illegal two-hops can be defended by blaming ONE GUY who decided to alter a document. You can’t un-ring the bell.

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    • Bryan Alexander says:

      “Your honor, we want a Title-1 FISA warrant (the judge knows this has the two-hop rule) warrant on a member of Donald Trump’s campaign.”

      If I am a FISA judge, my first response is “Are you out of your mind?”

      When they insist they need the warrant, I would tell the FBI that I want every comma, every period, EVERY SINGLE WORD in that warrant scrutinized and approved.
      and this will not be rubber stamped. As the judge, I will read every word of that application, every footnote, and come back to you for YOU to verify any question.

      Secondly, I would have to require that this person is CERTIFIED to be a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to the United States.

      Even then, I don’t know that I would grant the warrant.

      YOU. DON’T. SPY. ON. DOMESTIC. POLITICAL. ENEMIES. WITH. THE. US. INTELLIGENCE. AGENCIES.

      I still can’t believe that the warrant was approved.

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        Conclusion: Judge involved was in on the Stop Trump Train. And then the Coup

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      • Brutalus says:

        I had a neighbor who was an FBI agent and they had to get a FISA warrant and he said it was one of the most mind numbing 6 month tasks where as you say every comma, period, and quotation mark had to be in place, every piece of evidence had to be corroborated, checked, double checked, and triple checked…and if you dont, it will get kicked back…and the reason, of course, is you are technically violating the subjects right to be represented by counsel and to defend themselves in a judicial proceeding…. of course, he was just a FBI field investigator….apparently when the FISA warrant is coming from FBI Main, the worries about violating the subject’s due process rights are significantly less worrisome.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        Exactly, the FISC is crooked. They had no concern about the Constitutional problems of political spying on a presidential campaign, via a crazy “2-hop rule” for spying on thousands-millions of people. They rubber-stamped it again 3 times. They have known that they were lied to, but have never withdrawn the illegal FISA Warrants as improvidently granted, as would an honest, regular Federal Court. They have never held hearings to interrogate and discipline the attorneys who presented false evidence, or the false oath-signers under penalty of perjury. The FISC knew and has known there was illegal political surveillance by the FBI and “contractors”, but did nothing about it. This, despite having an extra-heavy responsibility to protect the 4th Amemdment and other Constitutional rights of defendants who are not represented, and who do not even know they are defendants.
        The FISC has completely failed in its responsibility.

        There needs to be an independent “Public Defender” Office, appointed by, and fireable by, the President, separate from the DOJ or IGs, with authority to investigate and cross-examine DOJ witnesses and oath-swearers in each case. The PDO would have authority to move for discipline of DOJ attorneys who mislead or defraaud the court, and for withdrawal of improvidently granted Warrants. The PDO should have authority to “appeal” to the SC, and to move for removal of FISC judges to the Chief Justice, the President, and the Senate judiciary Committee, for failure to protect 4th Amendment and other rights.

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      • yy4u says:

        The asses being covered in this are the size of Asia.

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  24. dufrst says:

    Who ordered the manipulation of the FISA application and why? Comey? McCabe? Brennan? Time to squeeze someone in order to get the big fish!

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  25. sDee says:

    Innocent America? Russian scholar? – BS.

    I am not the first to comment about this guy’s unsettling cockiness in light of what the deep state could do to him. He knew he was being sent in to spy or do damage to Donald Trump. If he did not know going in that he was to be a virus to attach unlimited FISA surveillance warrants to, he soon did.

    Something does not sit well at all with this guy.b

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  26. mark says:

    All this discussion if Carter Page is in on the coup? Someone here said it best weeks ago and I think we all can agree on 1 fact that is true. Someone said weeks ago ( and I wish I could give kudos to them ) ” Carter Page is a SPY. Get it? NO? Just think about it for a minute.

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  27. Shyster says:

    A forensic analysis of Pages emails, dates, addressees and timeline matched against Halper contacts could be instructive as to the white hat verses black hat issue. More importantly, because Halper was corresponding with Page via email, the two hop rule applied to Halper as well. An audit of the collected Halper 2 hops needs to be demanded and reviewed to determine who was pulling Halper’s strings and all who were involved.

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  28. yy4u says:

    I am posting this on all threads because Treepers need to read it
    https://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-empire-strikes-back/

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    • GB Bari says:

      Excellent article and perspective on the continuing quest to impeach President Trump, even if a bit lengthy and not revealing of any new information.

      IMHO a “Readers Digest version” of that would be far more persuasive to the general population at large.

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  29. Pew-Anon says:

    So a life-long spook with deep IC and Russia connections just suddenly decides he wants to work with the Trump campaign as a “foreign policy adviser” (yeah…whatever), and now we’re all supposed to be shocked that he was used by that same IC as a surveillance hook. Oh, and never mind this one surveillance hook of several used by the IC, who also happens to be the only one with an IC résumé, is the also only one to go uncharged with any crime.

    Rubbish.

    Plain as day, he was sent to the Trump campaign as an IC operative and had to have known at least the the pretext of the mission, if not the full details. Which makes the psy-op he is currently running, with full MSM complicity, even more unbelievable, and baffling. He is certainly still taking IC orders, but how this serves their cause I can’t quite fathom.

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  30. I was listening to Rush today and he made an excellent point about the treatment of Vindman in the media and their treatment of Carter Page and General Flynn.

    He said the media and the Dems said how dare we question Vindman who wore the uniform and his motives could not be questioned, yet no one in the media had a problem trashing Carter Page and General Flynn who wore the uniform as well.

    The media had no problem calling them traitors and questioning their allegiance to the United States of America.

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  31. Republicanvet91 says:

    I highly doubt this wet-behind-the-ears SJW changed any document on his own. I would say I hope they put the screws to him and he flips and tells who ordered him, but I don’t think he is smart enough to do that.

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