UPDATED: Pelosi Calls House Vote to Affirm Speaker Impeachment Inquiry The House Never Authorized…

Very nice trick here by the Lawfare advisory and rules committee that is handling the construct of the “Official House Inquiry” on impeachment.  It is such a good trick it has everyone crossed-up and confused.  Likely, that is by design.

On Thursday of this week Speaker Pelosi is bringing to the floor a resolution to affirm her previous declaration of an “Official House Inquiry”.  Mrs. Pelosi is very purposefully and carefully telling reporters this is not a “House resolution on impeachment”.  Read the wording carefully:

(LINK)

Speaker Pelosi is holding a vote, a resolution, to affirm her previous declaration of a House “inquiry”.  The resolution is currently being written by Lawfare. Pelosi is not delivering a House “Resolution on Impeachment” for a vote, because if she did hold a vote on an impeachment resolution, the minority and the Executive branch would gain rights therein.
This is a House vote to show support for Pelosi’s previous unilateral decree.   Right now the rules committee is adding language to the resolution that will provide additional one-sided support for a completely partisan process: “and for other purposes”.
Note in this video, Pelosi is careful to say “this is not an impeachment resolution”:

It is not an “impeachment resolution”, it is a resolution to support the already existing “impeachment inquiry”.   Pelosi and the Lawfare crew are playing games.
Additionally, notice that like Pelosi, Chairman Schiff is careful not to use the words “impeachment investigation”, but rather says “impeachment inquiry”:

The rules for an “impeachment investigation” would provide rights for the minority and also rights for the Executive branch.
So instead of having a House vote to authorize an impeachment investigation, with subsequent rights for the minority; they are having a House vote to affirm the “impeachment inquiry” with an entirely different set of House rules that do not include rights for the minority.
Nice trick huh?
On Thursday there will be a House vote to authorize:

…”ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, and for other purposes.”  (link)

And that House vote will include rules to further facilitate the one-sided, official impeachment inquiry, process therein.
Here’s where it gets interesting.
“And for Other Purposes” – The Thursday vote will likely have a rule process to conjoin the House Judiciary Committee (HJC) with the House “official impeachment inquiry”.
Why now?  Because the HJC just won a legal ruling from DC Judge Beryl Howell granting the Judiciary Committee formal impeachment authority.   {Go Deep}
Lawfare is hoping that through this Thursday vote scheme they will be able to twist the legal process into providing their House inquiry judicial enforcement authority, or punishment possible for the executive not complying with a House committee subpoena.
Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are hoping to achieve this by bringing in the House Judiciary Committee and the judicial enforcement authority they were just granted by Judge Howell.  They are also in a big rush to do this; hence the Thursday vote.  The rush is because the DOJ has filed a motion for stay, as they appeal the Judge Howell ruling.
Remember, the Lawfare intent is to pierce the constitutional firewall that creates a distinct separation of powers; and the Legislative branch is trying to force documents from the Executive branch, overriding executive privilege. This is a constitutional issue. This level of impeachment intent is why judicial enforcement authority (the full house authorization to grant weight to legal subpoena power) becomes much more important.
Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler and Lawfare are attempting to create “judicial enforcement authority” without having an actual and constitutional vote to authorize an official “impeachment investigation”.   That’s what this Thursday House resolution is all about.
The Thursday House resolution is intended to authorize and validate the pre-existing Pelosi “impeachment inquiry”, and then expand the authority within the rules to create the impression of a full House impeachment investigation; without actually having a House  “impeachment investigation vote”…. because that would open-up rights to the minority and rights to the executive.
Of course, as previously stated, none of this would be possible if it were not for the complicit support of the entire national media. Pelosi’s impeachment scheme requires a compliant media to support her construct. So far, they have.
UPDATE: In the DC court the DOJ has filed a motion to stay the Judge Howell ruling as they appeal the decision.  The stay motion appears pretty solid on three of the four corner arguments.
The weakest aspect to the motion is the legal framework around “judicial enforcement authority.”  In part because the impeachment precedent is thin; and in part because the Judiciary Committee angle is about gaining evidence underneath the Mueller report – not the House Ukraine investigation.
Here’s the motion for stay:
[scribd id=432384070 key=key-5UiVQYrL22vSt6IGV9IU mode=scroll]
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If Judge Howell doesn’t grant the stay pending appeal, the DOJ would have to look for an emergency injunction.  In the interim, Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are looking to exploit the Howell decision that accepted, some would say ‘created‘, the existence of a formal House impeachment proceeding despite the non-existence of an authorizing vote.
In essence, Lawfare is trying to exploit a decision -quickly- that put the cart (impeachment) before the horse (vote); and leverage that judicial ruling as a back-door to grant full judicial enforcement authority over the House impeachment inquiry.
The optics therein is what the sham vote is intended to present.  As if the full House voted to allow the committee’s go gain judicial enforcement authority and change the committee request letters into actual and enforceable subpoenas.
I hope that helps make sense of it all.  Right now it feels like CTH is up against the entire DC Lawfare process, in explaining what is going on; and what are the motives and intents behind all of these moves….

Our united job is to STAND UP and explain this complex non-constitutional process to our friends, family and neighbors.

 

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739 Responses to UPDATED: Pelosi Calls House Vote to Affirm Speaker Impeachment Inquiry The House Never Authorized…

  1. boogywstew says:

    “If you can’t beat them with brains … baffle them with bullshit.”

    • sundance says:

      Don’t diminish their construct.
      I don’t see anything that will stop a full house vote to impeach the president; and for the first time in history that vote will happen without a single representative voice of the minority or executive involved in the process.
      These people are slick.

      • Parker Longbaugh says:

        You misspelled criminally sick.
        I understood your point and agree. Was the first thought that came to mind.

      • Sentient says:

        Will Willard tolerate this kind of game playing?

      • USMC 1833 says:

        My cold anger has thawed out in the sunlight of this corrupt impeachment BS . At what point do we say Damn the Torpedoes ?

      • Patience says:

        …..”and for other purposes.”

      • Firefly says:

        And the GOP never trumpers are even slicker. They pretend to be outraged and let it happen with kabuki theatre making it look like they tried. Even more panic will set in when they realize Trump goes up in polls.w

        • Ackman419 says:

          They can kiss their political careers goodbye if they let this happen in the senate.
          Trump personally carried the GOP back into the whitehouse. Why would anybody vote Rep again?
          I’ve seen many mentions of the Whigs. The GOP will experience an extinction event if PDJT is found guilty in the Senate. This will be followed by a long period of civil war.

      • dc6aircraft says:

        They appear to be slick, but are also sick.

      • Lindy says:

        Perhaps the “legal ruling from DC Judge Beryl Howell granting the Judiciary Committee formal impeachment authority” will be appealed and reversed. Might throw a kink in their plans.

      • zimbalistjunior says:

        pennywise and pound foolish
        these lawfare scammers are lawyers lying to their idiot clients (the Dems, mass media, other black hats) that these procedural sleights of hand will work in the long run
        its absurd…besides the fact that by the time an impeachment vote is actually taken, enough of the horowitz powell and durham work will have made the black hats radioactive that even the representatives wont vote for it, as dersh and others have pointed out, there does exist a standard for impeachment.
        it is not a ‘political process’ as others have disingenuously posited–its at the very least quasi-judicial with the house acting as potential prosecutors and senate as triers of fact. a prosecutor cannot simply baselessly indict someone (notwithstanding the adage about ham sandwiches)…a prosecutor that does that is, at the very least, disbarred. if he does so for a corrupt purpose, say as part of a conspiracy to overthrow a president, he goes to jail.

      • Thus disenfranchising millions of voters. So, from now on, if the Dems don’t like an elected president they will unseat him. We the People need to step up to the plate and swing hard if it comes to this.

      • islandpalmtrees says:

        What prevents the executive branch lawyers saying by way of a supreme court restraining order, no – because you are attempting to circumvent the separation of powers?

        • WhiteBoard says:

          DEMS yell obstruction – and that BARR must recuse because he is a political hitjob – RBG dies (all this pre-planned knowing she is short on time) – and this compiles to no justice nominated until next election….
          riots- federal reserve rates, brexit, usmca fail – recession..
          that would be my plan if i was Pelosi.

          • islandpalmtrees says:

            I see Pelosi’s plan and that of several others as avoiding prosecution for crimes already committed by impeaching the setting President before his AG can indict her or her son. You see, Pelosi, is known to be selling arms by arranging for contracts with the US government.

      • Bucknutguy says:

        Since this then involves constitutional issues, they should a) get a stay and b) appeal this judges decision as high and long as it takes.
        Ahhh. But who is the “they”?

      • MLK says:

        I am much less sure than seemingly everyone else that the House will actually pass Articles of Impeachment. If they do then, mark my words, it will be (successfully) challenged in the Supreme Court:
        https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15069/impeachers-new-crimes

        • islandpalmtrees says:

          I don’t think so, these people will run to the Senate were the RINO’s will vote to impeach with the Democrats before court can react.

      • Ivehadit says:

        How can this happen? Who is protecting our Constituion? I am in disbelief. Where are our protections for our government?
        This is beyond alarming. I have sent an email to ones I know have connections to the WH.
        Can someone send it to Sarah Huckabee? She is smart enough and knows how to reach the President.

      • boogywstew says:

        I sincerely hope that our side has a hundred lawyers, at least, to examine every tiny aspect of these devious legal maneuvers, up and down … frontwards and backwards. My real worry is that the bad guys ACCIDENTALLY stumble into some sort of legal shenanigan that holds up in court. Myself, I’d even have law students and legal aides looking things over … “fresh eyes” and all. I totally agree that we can not be too confident. These are terrifying times for our Republic.

      • Battleship Wisconsin says:

        The Democrats are following a highly scripted strategic plan for using articles of impeachment passed by the House as a means for gaining as much political mileage as possible before the 2020 election. See my comment here in response to Mr. Ristvan.
        https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/28/pelosi-calls-house-vote-to-affirm-speaker-impeachment-inquiry-the-house-never-authorized/comment-page-1/#comment-7498744

      • Padric says:

        The answer to this doesn’t lay within the House. It’s within the courts and ultimately SCOTUS, hence the attacks on Kavanaugh.
        Previous rulings have held that for discovery purposes, an impeachment investigation is a “quasi-judicial” proceeding. That’s where their subpoenas normally get their judicial enforcement from.
        So in order to beat them somebody who has standing, either the president himself or a Republican House member must sue the Democrats and use that “quasi-judicial” precedence against them. The logic flows as follows: If an impeachment proceeding is “quasi-judicial” for discovery purposes, then it must be that the House is investigating a potential impeachable/criminal act. If there is a potential impeachable/criminal act then the constitution spells out the protections afforded in such matters including Due Process, which supersede any rules the House comes up with.
        The above argument is best done by the president’s personal lawyer. While a Republican House member would have standing, it’s actually a bit of a grey area, as far as I can tell, as to whether or not their rights have been violated since its been a tradition of the House to allow the minority to call witnesses and not something set in law or the constitution.
        The great irony of all this, though it is consistent with past behavior, is that the Dems are essentially using congress in the same way the FISA court actually operates. In theory, somebody is supposed to be presenting exculpatory information. In practice, not so much.

      • Petrel says:

        Sundance:
        The slick maneuver by Pelosi to skirt around an actual, real impeachment vote — to preserve deniability by Democrat Representatives in Trump Red State districts — will probably not work if Republican challengers step up to the plate.
        “So you ran on infrastructure and education solutions, but wasted two years investigating President Trump and voted to impeach the President.”
        “Well not really, we Democrats did not actually vote to impeach President Trump, we merely voted to hound him with subpoenas and trash his reputation going into the 2020 Presidential Election.”

    • bluebongo says:

      Now we couldn’t possibly have Trump destroying the ISIS kingpin dominating the “news” for an entire day could we?

  2. Genie says:

    Hoo boy! Nadler is coming out of the “time out” corner!

  3. bertdilbert says:

    Only Pelosi could turn a government building into a House of ill repute.

  4. John55 says:

    Where are the worthless Senate Republicans while the Democrats destroy the rule of law?

  5. Dances with Wolverines says:

    So disheartening seeing this happen to my Country and the very people that are suppose to be our advocates are the perpetrators.

    • sundance says:

      This is why the “fourth estate” is so vitally important.
      Normally the fourth estate would block this scheme by exposing it. However, now the fourth estate is supporting the unconstitutional process by promoting it.
      If this was a GOP construct it would have been destroyed by the media two weeks ago. But it’s not. The media are supporting the DEM construct. Scary times.

      • bertdilbert says:

        I will note today at the airplane presser that Trump called Schiff’s actions “criminal”. The lawfare tactic is to slip this through without the opportunity to present a legal challenge to oppose it.

      • fedback says:

        There’s no fourth estate any longer. Only partisan weaponized Fake News

      • dufrst says:

        Then we have to appeal the 5th Estate, Almighty God.
        “I lift up my eyes to the hills– where does my help come from? My help comes from the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth. indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep “- Psalm 121 v 1
        We will prevail. Trump always wins. Against all the odds, over and over again. Why? Because of the 5th Estate. MAGA!!

      • sDee says:

        “This is why the “fourth estate” is so vitally important.”
        So true. All that has befallen America lies at their feet. They are sewer bottom feeders.

      • WhiteBoard says:

        so what is the clear language to explain to people?
        ” this is not an impeachment investigation. the Democrats are publicizing an inquiry and masking it as having supeona judicial power when it is not authorized by the constitution”
        ???

        • OSP says:

          That’s a pretty good summation, WB.
          sundance, can you distill the message down to it’s most brief and concise form, please?
          Preferably short enough to fit on a meme or at the least in a single tweet.

        • WhiteBoard I have copied and pasted to Social Media in small bites so as to educate as many as I personally can to what is really going on in Swampland. Every little bit of education we can bring to friends and family helps. I have also sent email to my Congressman concerning this Thursday “vote.”

      • TheOtherSean says:

        Perhaps it is time, as it once was in England, for somebody to tell the House Dmes: “You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately … Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”

  6. These traitors have no souls!??????

  7. Another Scott says:

    If this is a full house vote does that mean there will be opportunity for debate / statements from both sides of the aisle? It would be the only time Republicans can meaningfully participate in this “impeachment” process

  8. boogywstew says:

    I suspect the lawfare lawyers are getting these ideas from the typewriters of a hundred monkeys all working in a large room in the Capital basement.

  9. Tired of this BS from the media, dems and weak GOP’ers…I’m just sitting here cleaning my weapons…let me know when you need my help.

  10. Parker Longbaugh says:

    Them there rules is for little people.

  11. It just occurred to me that the same Lawfare mentality which has led to this impending constitutional debacle / crisis is also the mindset behind the military legal micromanagement which allowed the Islamic caliph and this recently deceased BagDaddy pig to thrive.

  12. It’s not an “impeachment ***anything***.” It’s a fishing expedition (combined with perjury traps and evidence-manufacturing).

  13. Trump Train says:

    NO way in hell this can stand. What the hell is wrong with these people.

  14. Sentient says:

    It’ll be interesting to see how Trump-won-district Dems vote. Collin Peterson of MN7, for example.

  15. Abster says:

    So what exactly happens after a full house vote?

    • maggiemoowho says:

      Goes to the Senate for a trial.

      • WhiteBoard says:

        if the insurance policy was SIMPLY to give the Republicans a cover to vote him out… then why wouldnt the UKRAINE – or fill the blank in -be another means?
        its the voters.. that is the fear… maybe they are tired of elections. constitutional crisis.

        • maggiemoowho says:

          The “insurance policy” was created by the Democrat FBI lovers. It wasn’t for the Republicans.

    • OSP says:

      As sundance points out, this is NOT a vote on an “Impeachment Investigation”, and it is definitely not a vote on “Articles of Impeachment” – which you must have before it will proceed to the Senate.

  16. JohnCasper says:

    Democrats’ “Impeachment inquiry” = Lynch Mob + Kangaroo Court + Star Chamber.

  17. Payday says:

    Telling our friends and family won’t really move the needle much. I believe the good news is, it ends the same either way. If all the Dems vote for it, the Trump district Democrats will still get the blame for impeachment and will be set up for a 2020 backlash. It always has, and will, come down to what the Senate does.

  18. emet says:

    I don’t believe He brought him this far just to leave him

  19. This is analogous to police and prosecutors setting up a shadow legal process that denies a defendant long-established Due Process rights and Judicial Review.
    Come to think of it, I just described Coup-Gate. And this is just another iteration of that seditious fraud.

  20. bulwarker says:

    Are you reading this Barr? This has always been a race. If the Democrats can ram through their impeachment before Durham finishes then any resulting indictments will be said to be retaliatory and a distraction. The Senate trail will consume the media and everything else (all the Democrat crime stemming from ’16) will be background noise. The administration needs to take this seriously and hurry the F-up.

  21. Carrie says:

    Where is Mitch on all of this? He knows procedure is king. Where are the voices from the Senate??? Why aren’t they having open hearings in tandem to expose the fraud?

    • bulwarker says:

      because they are part of the problem.

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Well….Mitch did vote on a resolution “condemning” the House proceedings 🙂
      50 of 53 Reps signed on. Of course Pierre Delecto, Ms Murky, and RINO Collins did not.
      One would hope that any articles of impeachment produced by the House via this patently corrupt partisan process would be dismissed by the Senate expeditiously.
      One would hope.

  22. Yy4u says:

    If Sundance is scared, I am scared.

  23. Sentient says:

    Hopefully Utah’s Mike Kennedy strongly backs the president if the House votes to impeach.

  24. John Doe says:

    Too tricky by half. Regular people are just gonna see their rep voted yes and that will be that. They’re gone next November. Bring it Nancy. Bring it.

  25. Somebody's Gramma says:

    Can the Executive branch sue and bring this to the attention of the Supreme Court? It very much sounds like time for the pitchforks. She will not get away with this. We WILL NOT ALLOW this to stand. You know, civil disobedience takes many impactful forms. There are many millions of people in the Heartland who may just not be able provide services or product to the scum in DC due to unforeseeable circumstances. We don’t have to call it a strike or be open about it. We’ll just make sure we cooperate only with those who have our President’s back. We can be the #realresistance. Not that I’m advocating for crippling industry. No. I’m advocating for very selective cooperation. Those pansies that shouted people out of restaurants, show up in silly ninja costumes and masks and throw brick milkshakes at people, those so-called journalists and media types who bash our very excellent President on a daily basis, have NO IDEA what real resistance looks like. Just a thought. Carry on soldiers.

  26. neilmdunn says:

    Just imagine what kind of government = state oppression we will be subjected to if-and-when these Totalitarian Democrats ever get control again of the Senate and/or Presidency to go along with a house majority. And if Trump had not won in 2016, this would be happening now!!

  27. Trump For President needs to immediately start blanketing the media in the Trump-voting D Rep districts with the simple message: “Tell Representative XXXXX to END THIS NOW! Enough is enough.”

  28. ltravisjr says:

    SD, are you implying Lawfare is smarter than PDJT in this game???

    • sickconservative says:

      No just the depth of the swamp against him.

      • ltravisjr says:

        I guess this tweet about this illustrates what I needed clarified. The implication is that the Executive Branch lawyers are not thinking outside the lines and thus aren’t savvy enough to defeat the smart Lawfare group. The implication is that Trump is outwitted too because if not he would surely clue his lawyers in. Is there another way I am supposed to read this?
        https://twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/1188978576818876416?s=21

        • OSP says:

          troll alert?

          • ltravisjr says:

            I’ve never been called a troll before. I do chime in here from time to time; Maybe you could search on my posts and judge. Anyway, I just took issue with the idea that Trump wasn’t smart enough to avoid getting defeated by Lawfare. That seemed to be what was implied and I hoped to be misunderstanding that.

  29. Patience says:

    Is there anything the President can do legally?

  30. WVNed says:

    We are fighting a war on our country with words and we will lose.

    • Tom! says:

      Absolutely true. We are going to find out how much we truly treasure our freedom and our country. My feeling right now is that we are more talk than action.

  31. Truett Harris says:

    Nobody fights as hard as Pelosi & Schiff are fighting to save the Party or another member. Maybe the rumor of Conspiracy indictments are accurate & Pelosi, Schiff,Mark Warner etc.. are written into the Conspiracy. Keeping the impeachment investigation going might give a prosecutor pause before charging sitting Congress representatives & Senators. It’s all they got.

  32. KnowSERENoFear says:

    Lawyers and bankers are the true enemies of the Republic.

  33. Patience says:

    The baseball game was an opportunity to talk; perhaps,
    Look at the people who were there.

  34. For Eyes says:

    Defense?
    Reps have to get educated fast and scream about what this is.
    This simply has to get in front of the Supremes fast. Due Process is the angle. No, the process is not described in the Constitution, but the right to due process is.
    I have no idea how to get it there, but this is an emergency that calls for emergency action. A straight path there.

    • Dad's son says:

      If Trump’s executive order that cancelled 0bama’s executive order on DACA can be invalidated by a judge, pending further review, due to “arbitrary and capricious” lack of due process – thus allowing illegal imigrants to remain in the country – then certainly a judge can be found to invalidate a fraudulent impeachment process, pending further review, allowing President Trump to remain in the White House….

  35. Deplore Able says:

    Because the House has failed to provide the President with Due Process, why can’t the Senate step to the plate and announce that if Articles of Impeachment are pass the House, the first order of business in the Senate Constitutional authority to hold a trial will be to establish a period of six month for the Executive Branch to:
    a. Depose all witnesses who intend to testify against the President.
    b. Subpoena transcripts of all witnesses who testified before the House.
    c. Depose any witnesses the President deems to have evidence relevant to his defense
    (including, but not limited to the whistleblower, Adam Schiff and his staff, etc.
    d. Subpoena all documents relevant to the the Impeachment, including all texts, emails, reports
    prepared by the various House Committees investigating the Impeachment.
    e. Require the House to provide all Brady Evidence in their possession.
    f. File motions in limine to prevent the introduction of hear-say evidence

    • frances says:

      On one level I like this idea, but it gives credence to Pelosi’s legalistic charade. I think they should refuse to engage with/in, or give any acknowledgement to, the Dems hearings and go straight to filing charges and taking the matter to the Supreme Court.

    • Garavaglia says:

      They want him gone too.

  36. frances says:

    This seems to me to be a Nancy Reagan moment; Just say NO. The Reps should tell them that they are taking this to the Supreme Court and they will not be responding to an letters masquerading as subpoenas.

  37. Dean Wormer has just put DJT on double secret probation.

  38. A2 says:

    “ Why now? Because the HJC just won a legal ruling from DC Judge Beryl Howell granting the Judiciary Committee formal impeachment authority. ”
    “ DOJ appeals ruling allowing House Democrats access to Mueller grand jury evidence”
    “ The Justice Department on Monday appealed a federal judge’s ruling granting congressional Democrats access to grand jury evidence from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and asked that judge to place a hold on the production of the material pending resolution of the appeal.”
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-appeals-ruling-allowing-democrats-mueller-grand-jury/story?id=66583253
    Another link with other details.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/donald-trump-muller-grand-jury-material-059893

    • joshashland says:

      So does that mean DOJ appeal that’s been filed can slow this trainwreck down?
      Confused.

      • A2 says:

        Yes if I understand it correctly. The DOJ is basing its appeal on a point of law to an appellate court.
        “ In a civil case, an appeal doesn’t ordinarily prevent the enforcement of the trial court’s judgment. The winning party in the trial court may order the judgment executed. However, the appealing party can file an appeal or supersedeas bond. The filing of this bond will prevent, or stay, further action on the judgment until the appeal is over by guaranteeing that the appealing party will pay or perform the judgment if it is not reversed on appeal.”
        Which I think is the case. So until the appellate court rules, judge Howells ruling is stayed.

  39. Jase says:

    Or, to put it another way, Pelosi is asking every Dem rep to place their political fate in the hands of the man chosen to be the face of the impeachment movement: Adam Schiff.
    Lawfare can construct all the rotten schemes they like, but the whole scam is resting more and more on the reputation of the crook out front.
    Every time you see Schiff, it is obvious he is positively slavering at the thought of being the man that slew President Trump.
    His ego – and ambition to rise above his natural rank of toadying lickspittle – already drove him to overreach with his hideous ‘parody’ stunt. He’ll make more mistakes, he won’t be able to stop himself.
    Go ahead Dems, place your fates in Schiff’s hands.

  40. Timmy-the-Ute says:

    I have always felt that the Democrats in the House would vote to impeach. But the way they are doing it will never help them get a 2/3 vote in a Senate trail. Even Romney wouldn’t vote for conviction unless he got at least 10 votes to convict from the Republicans. No one will watch any thing they put on TV or cable. Only thing this will prove is that the Democrats have nothing to run on in 2020. Medicare for all will cause mass suffering with the talk of a 42% sales tax.

    • Dad's son says:

      I disagree. I think that Romney is kicking the stall to cast a conviction vote against Pres. Trump come hell or high water, even if he were to be the only one. If he was ever a White Hat, Mitt Romney is now definitely a Black Hat, and an enemy of the constitutional republic. I am ashamed that I ever voted for him and donated to him. His perfidy is scary – Benedict-Arnold-scary.
      Will the voters of Utah rise up and throw the carpetbagger out?

  41. AvengerDave says:

    They get to play their games up to the point of breaking the system…and then we all get to play.

  42. Dekester says:

    Is this not the same day a PDJTs next rally ?
    These truly are uncharted waters..PDJT will turn this potential downside into a win..he always does.
    The Dems having nothing else..
    IMO it is nice to end the pretence of any civility..PDJT can go full Nu Yawk on the bass turds
    God bless PDJT

  43. For Eyes says:

    March on Congress.
    It seriously needs to be organized now, by someone with reach and organizational skills

    • Garavaglia says:

      I’m not wasting my time with a march. I will make one motion..and only one..and it will be unannounced and decisive.

    • Chip Doctor says:

      For Eyes,
      Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Mitt Romney, Lindsay Graham are doing a great job of organizing it as we speak. It’s just a matter of time until we get the memo. Oh, there may be an influential voice that actually puts a date on it, but don’t bet the farm on that.
      Each man and woman will have to determine when that time is. I would venture that out of the 70 million plus PT supporters, 10 million, have already decided where their red line is.
      My guess is that before the ink is dry on official articles of impeachment, and before they are delivered to the Senate, there will be a run on gasoline at truck stops all across the US. I don’t think people will need an announcement. People will not even post their DC trip plans at the Treehouse.
      What was so terrifying in Iraq and other areas of US military engagement, was the silence of the stealth bombers. Their damage was done before people knew it was coming.
      When cold anger gets mobilized it will manifest itself as silent resolve.

      • Dad's son says:

        Reminds me of when Laura Loomer stormed the stage in Central Park when they were “stabbing” the Trump/Caesar character. I had just been telling a friend the night before that someone needed to charge the stage and stop it. I felt the moment, and so did she.
        Laura Loomer did what I bet a lot of people were feeling. For that act alone, I hope she is elected to Congress.
        And so yes, your thought bears pondering. Sometimes the moment becomes clear. Trump will not leave the White House early due to this faux impeachment process, without the congressional conspirators having to get to their cars and homes.and stores, etc.
        Atty. Gen. Barr had better hurry the hell up.

  44. ristvan says:

    I posted on this on the previous thread, but will do so again here, in more detail.
    The exact legal consequences of this proposed Thursday resolution cannot be discerned until the ‘affirm’ resolution language is available tomorrow. BUT much is surmisable.
    The current (Intel) committee process has no subpoena power, as Sundance previously explained and I supported legally. Was challenged today in court, so that forced Pelosi’s hand. Done.
    Now, if the resolution merely affirms the present process outside House Judiciary committee, established 1813 and chartered with all impeachments, then likely unconstitutional. Well established SCOTUS law that subpoena power pursuant to implied legislative oversight of A1§8 is limited to those powers only. Impeachment is NOT one. So a majority vote in favor of an Irregular process is challengeable. Very grey area: does A1§5.2 trump (pun intended) A1§9.3? Is an ex post facto House rule change explicitly prohibited ‘law’? Twilight zone constitutional law stuff.

    • delighteddeplorable says:

      Appreciate your analysis, ristvan. From a non-legal expert standpoint, what you describe sounds like a desperate move that’s not at all certain to have the outcome required by the Dims. Looks like they’re continuing to lurch from one hail Mary pass to the next and nothing is close to being legally solid. We shall see, but IMO, this just doesn’t look like a strong hand.

      • OSP says:

        Agreed, but it gives the media (Fourth Estate) plenty of fodder to twist as they please and broadcast to their mind-numbed listeners.

    • steph_gray says:

      Thank you yet again, ristvan!

    • evergreen says:

      Can the President return the favor to members of congress? That is, every act that congress is attempting against the executive branch, cannot the executive return in kind or equivalency? They are separate but equal branches, so how cannot the executive storm their castle simultaneously?
      What’s to prevent civil suits by the president in his personal capacity against 20 of the prime actors in the FISA abuse, violating his civil rights under color of law? He can deflate them wholesale and bring every one into court, opening up all of their subterfuge for the world to see, can he not?
      What about the aides to Feinstein and the SSCI who were dirty? Can they be linked personally in civil suits and subjected to open interrogation in court? How about Ryan? The guys loves his money, make him start using it.

    • Battleship Wisconsin says:

      ristvan: “Twilight zone constitutional law stuff.”
      IMHO, the actions the Democrats are taking in threatening President Trump with impeachment are part of a highly scripted strategic plan for gaining as much political mileage as possible before the 2020 election.
      The Democrats will pass fast track articles of impeachment directly from the floor of the House in the expectation that the Republicans will challenge the articles in the courts and that the Senate will refuse to take up the articles for a trial until the courts have ruled on their constitutionality.
      One of the Democrat’s main objectives is to thwart the president’s nomination of a successor to Judge Ginsburg should she pass away before the election. They will claim that the Senate should not be holding a vote to confirm Trump’s nominee until a trial has been held and the question of his guilt or innocence has been settled.
      Their other objective is to use the anti-Trump megafrenzy media circus spawned by passing the articles of impeachment to energize and motivate their voters to come out in November in the same numbers that twice elected Barack Obama.

      • For Eyes says:

        “Their other objective is to use the anti-Trump megafrenzy media circus spawned by passing the articles of impeachment to energize and motivate their voters to come out in November in the same numbers that twice elected Barack Obama.”
        If so, they will fail.
        Mostly they will motivate Conservatives.
        But WHO will we have available to vote FOR?

  45. At this point, I wonder how long House Democrats(!) will continue to be willing to be “Nancy Pelosi’s obedient lemmings.” Because, there really is a Constitutional legal cliff out there, and a double-handful of top dogs in the House continue to be willing to be influenced by … The Pied Piper.
    Is it really true that every single one of them will continue to vote “Aye” for any increasingly-nonsensical brain-fart that these “Lawfare people” continue to dream up? Even though the final denouement will simply be that all of their young political careers will forever be cast upon the rocks, while the septuagenarians somehow remain standing?
    The fact of the matter is that Lawfare has been suckering them for more than four years, and continues to do so. And they’ll continue to hold power, so long as “calling yourself a Democrat” merely means that you obey the orders of thoroughly corrupt old(!) leaders who are certain that you’ll leap right off that cliff when … (oopsie!) … somehow they don’t. “See ‘ya, S-u-c-k-e-r …”

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Just like they all thought Hillary would win easy, they now think that this won’t backfire on them.

  46. ltravisjr says:

    I kind of feel like saying “ok guys, lets just get it on.” I mean this whole theater of Spygate and impeachment had been like two vicious dogs staring each other doen, each waiting for the other to lunge first so it can grab it by the neck. Go ahead Dems, go ahead…

  47. David says:

    Expedited review of Beryl Howeel’s facially erroneous ruling by SCOTUS could throw the brakes on the Pelosi crazy train

  48. benifranlkin says:

    How does all this square with what Mark Meadows said a few hours ago?
    “We’ve just learned House Democrats are moving the public impeachment hearings to the Intelligence Committee — taking it out of the normal jurisdiction (Judiciary Committee), cutting out GOP members who have spent the majority of time questioning witnesses till now.
    This is a sham”

  49. milehighmaga says:

    So if this is just an “inquiry” and not a “resolution”, then the so called subpoenas are simply requests, without the backing of law, even if the judiciary committee is involved.
    I can see Trump telling them to pound sand. And let the issue go to SCOTUS.

      • A2 says:

        I.E. electioneering by the DNC, paid for by taxpayers. This means they can get before the cameras and go over the same old BS anti-Trump talking points that we are all so tired of we are laughing.
        Reread ole shifty’s tweet.
        Nihil ex nihilo

      • Den says:

        The upcoming indictments will put a damper on all of these games.

    • WhiteBoard says:

      Mark Meadows on Hannity Just said Nellie Ohr’s only contact in the investigation was Ukrainian Porshenko (former president – did i hear that right?)

    • pbr22 says:

      I don’t like this trick.

    • Judith says:

      This isn’t about President Trump complying.This is about providing cover for all the people *pretending* they are legally compelled to witness against PDJT because , face it, the RepubliCONS don’t want PDJT around, any more than the Demonrats do.
      Of course they would NEVER participate unless they HAD to, but Judge Beryl just put some weight behind all those FAKE subpeonas. So the poor, poor RepubliCONS are left with no choice but to comply with the Houses’ FAKE non-impeachment “process.” Sigh. /s

  50. milehighmaga says:

    So if this is just an “inquiry” and not a “resolution”, then the so called subpoenas are simply requests, without the backing of law, even if the judiciary committee is involved.
    I can see Trump telling them to pound sand. And let the issue go to SCOTUS.

    • parleyvous says:

      You need to reread Sundance explanation. They are voting to make inquiry have judicial authority it lacks currently while preventing any defensive or responsive actions by Trump or Republicans.

      • WhiteBoard says:

        mile is technically right… this PLAY is only to make the ignorant public believe the “impeachment” is being obstructed…
        chase that theme to election to remove a LOCK HIM UP President…
        sick .
        BIG DIFFFERENCE THIS SITE HAS POINTED OUT.
        COLD ANGER IS UNIQUE TO US…. not the Dems… they will fold like a whatever when the time comes…
        our cold anger doenst need propaganda constantly fueling this… We will be involved until Justice is served.
        thank you!

      • zurizara says:

        However, that is still not an impeachment vote by the house, it is not constitutional. It is to give the appearance of an impeachment vote. President can still tell them to pound sand, and let SCOTUS resolve the issue.

      • BL says:

        Thank you for posting, that’s how I understood the article but after reading other post I thought maybe I miss understood it.

  51. joebkonobi says:

    I read today that DOJ has appealed Judge Beryl’s decision to allow judicial enforcement authority to Pelosi’s current inquiry. I would not think the WH would change their current strategy until a ruling on the appeal either affirms or denies the Beryl decision. If affirmed, we lose unless the Supremes take it up. If overturned, then no matter how their vote goes they would still be running an unconstitutional process and would not get judicial enforcement authority until a full vote in the House on a resolution to impeach.
    Seems all their doing is using different terminology for a second vote to fool everybody into believing they have actually approved an official resolution of impeachment. Pelosi either still does not have the votes to pass an impeachment resolution or is determined to trash the constitution in the process because a she can’t pull it off constitutionally. Seems to me the Supreme Court needs to intervene.
    I’m beginning to believe Pelosi really does believe she can bring down resident Trump and VP Pence and become President before the 2020 election. She is a sick, sick, woman.

    • bessie2003 says:

      It is an ongoing coup, and she believes she will be the ‘winner’.
      She is a sick, sick woman.

      • A2 says:

        I think it’s more of a coup de vent
        ????

      • I’m looking forward to seeing her suffer the consequences for putting on this sick charade. Real consequences for sedition.
        Meanwhile, it does shine intense direct sunlight on UniParty, as real Americans are getting to see just how they do, and don’t, operate. This is straight up bullsh!t and many are figuring that out pretty quickly.
        President Trump, being the VSG that he is, is and will continue using this to our benefit!

    • jeans2nd says:

      What you are describing in your second paragraph is called “Grubering,” relying on the stupidity of the American voter to allow themselves to be fooled.
      Remember “Like your doctor…Keep your doctor?” That is Grubering.
      Now recall how that “Grubering” turned out in SCOTUS.
      Still have faith in SCOTUS to intervene?

    • Pale rider says:

      Pelosi is no more than a puppet.

    • Eaglemom says:

      I think this is her political calculation: Dems impeach President Trump (which satisfies base) then it moves to Senate trail where President Trump is not removed from office. This will infuriate her base (Republicans fault) and rile them up to come in in droves for 2020 election. In her mind, it is a win/win.

    • jx says:

      The judge has conflated two cases, showing obvious political intent. An injunction is required while the opinion is appealed.

    • margarite1 says:

      What scares me the most is the Senate – the GOPe that doesn’t mind letting the rats lead us into socialism because it gives them cover so they can continue enriching themselves out of the spotlight. To me this is all about who controls the money – do we control our own money or does the government just allow us a stipend they deem adequate to meet out pitiful meager needs.
      I have a hard time imagining they wouldn’t rather see POTUS out of the way and our only defense is to raise hell with phone calls and letters and whatever else. Judicial Watch tweeted just now that it’s time to call our Senators.

  52. David says:

    I do lay a certain amount of fault on Trump for not declassifying. If he does get impeached, its his own fault for not doing so and laying the whole farce bare for the world to see.

    • Somebody's Gramma says:

      This is the beauty of Trump’s trump card. He will wait until the perfect moment.

    • Chip Doctor says:

      Go pound sand, David.

    • Carly says:

      Trump put declass authority in Barr’s hands, the appropriate place. Besides, you really think declass would bind the House witches? You know the truth, I know the truth, every Joe and Joe Schmo knows the truth. Pelosi knows we know the truth. The media knows we know the truth. Very, very few are in the dark. Most comments flurrying around twitter are hardliners who have something to lose (perhaps freedom), paid staff, or willfully ignorant – we outnumber them by thousands and thousands. This is all theater to keep the left alive. A last gasp. Declass would only further kick their desperation into overdrive.

    • michael says:

      Got that helmet on in your arm chair. The Demos are in control, there is not much Trump can do right now. Trump knows what is going on via his kids.

    • Well dang. If only you had run for President, David.
      Pffffffft.
      Spit.

  53. BigTalkers says:

    Dear Madam Speaker,
    Please, please take a Recorded ROLL CALL VOTE on this issue!

    • EggsX1 says:

      The problem with this statement is that Gaetz gives legitimacy to the ‘impeachment inquiry’ if the house votes for it. The ‘impeachment inquiry’ is an unconstitutional sham because it does not give due process to the president and to the minority.
      This isn’t that hard. Republicans’ strategy seems to be to play dead. It’s a bad strategy because the tepid supporters lose resolve.

    • michael says:

      Are you in R. Congress gonna shut this show down or let them lynch Trump. Trump may be “crude” but he gets things done. Now that the country is “flush” with money the Demos
      have “YOUR” wallet in sight. Its not a joke, they hate you, they want your $$$. That is their major source of income. They know how to spend it better than you. They want your guns so you can’t resist. Beto is telling Americans he will authorize doors kicked in for your AR-15s.

    • paper doll says:

      I am counting on Dem incompetencey

  54. Zorro says:

    A lot of talk but still no organizing force to make our voices felt in Washington.

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Oh…there is an organized force…the GOP Senate.
      But it is riddled with NeverTrump Republicans who refuse to fight for a GOP President.
      Until and unless they internalize that if Trump goes down because they didn’t defend him, that the GOP will be annihilated like the Whigs in 1854/56, they won’t lift a finger.

      • oldumb says:

        They are NOT afraid of losing office. Better to loose taking down Trump, than to win and be exposed. If they take down POTUS and lose they are heroes to the left and establishment. There will be plenty of income possibilities. I think we should be scared because they are not.

  55. Joe says:

    Sundance, the fall back is us. Patriots. Whatever it takes.
    I accepted that fact LONG ago.
    But I live in the Mexican Colony of California, so I live what most of America hope won’t happen.
    My Governor hates me because I am white, Christian and support Trump. In fact, he wants me out or dead. He’s made that clear. That realization helps one focus.

    • Somebody's Gramma says:

      Joe, there are millions more like you in California. Hold on and hold tight. You are the silent majority. Unfortunately the political leaders have made it very unsafe to speak up in California. People have to protect their jobs and their families right now. I am praying that the citizens of California can take back their state. Keep believing. God bless you.

      • Joe says:

        You Must live here, because you hit the nail on the head. I’m not leaving. Don’t want to sound like I don’t worry, because I do. But there is something to be said about “my cold dead fingers.” It takes on a different meaning these days. God bless YOU! God blessed me when I was born in Cali.

    • Ma McGriz says:

      Welcome to life in Neocolonial Aztlan.
      The thing is, many, if not most Americans still don’t believe it’s real, thanks to the press, who took on illegal immigration as a cause in the early 90s.
      They shifted the narrative away from the rule of law and onto shaping it as a matter of the public’s opinion about poor people simply looking for a better life. Ignorance and chaos have ensued.
      I’m a homesick refugee and you’re still there, but we’re both missing our once golden state.
      A Trump Governorship will set things right.

      • margarite1 says:

        I wish I could go back to CA…but hard to imagine now. I miss the orange trees, the bougainvilla, the beach, the weather. It was a great place to grow up.

        • Ma McGriz says:

          It sure was.
          I miss it a lot.

        • jmgreenwell says:

          Same here, Margarite. I’m safe in Indianapolis now, but do miss how beautiful our home state once was.

        • pucecatt says:

          Margarite1, cali here too and yes I too miss the smell of the orange trees , eucalyptus trees etc .. grew up in Irvine back in the early 70’s .. great place to grow up back then .. still in OC and we live in a pretty die hard conservative area for now and holding on tight .. President Trump will prevail with our help ??

    • JeffP. says:

      I am right here with you Joe. We are currently gathering signatures to Recall Gavin Newsom the Ol’ hags nephew. That is another thing, California must have nearly 100% Nepotism in our political offices. it is time to clean 100% of evil Demoncraps out of California and never allow them to return. In fact driving 100% of all Demoncraps politicians or not out of America would be Freaking Awesome!!! Evil Scum the entire party, every Democrat/Leftist voter, old, young, men women or whatever…
      Look for Petitioners out in Ca. gathering to Recall Gavin Newsom!!!!
      KAG!! Trump2020!! GodForever!!!!

      • Joe says:

        You know Jeff, I have thought a lot about this petition.
        I hope you don’t think less of me, but I don’t want to be on a target list.
        The shltlibs own California lock stock and barrel. I have zero trust in the efficacy of these petitions, in California. It seems more like a hit list. I have experienced brutality, vicious racist brutality. Not going to let it happen again.

        • Judith says:

          You’ve got a point, Joe. All the King’s men marched straight through enemy territory, in their bright red coats with shiny buttons, and look what happened to them.

  56. jrapdx says:

    Question is whether the Democrats are really fooling anyone. Of course, other than the TDS-afflicted Democrat “base” that believes anything the Pelosi gang spews forth. “Normal” people (independents, Republicans and probably a small fraction of Democrats) able to apply logic to what’s being said and done are surely skeptics who don’t accept the legitimacy of the scam being perpetrated.
    Even here in commie Portland OR rumblings are audible from voters (albeit the minority) expressing increasing dissatisfaction with local and national tactics that sundance well describes. In places less cursed by Democrat toxicity very likely the underhanded conduct is playing even more poorly.
    I’m not so sure the Democrats will be able to easily secure a majority in the House to vote for actual impeachment. There’s no way the President and allies are going to let the Pelosi scam go on without scathing comment, all the lawfare notwithstanding. Repeatedly slamming Congressmen going along with this sham “process” regardless of party is a way to stand up for the President.
    Can’t say it’s guaranteed to be effective, but I’m betting it discourages fence-sitting Democrats from supporting Pelosi’s coup if it ever gets to a real floor vote. We’ll wait and see how it develops.

  57. NICCO says:

    Be not deceived God is not mocked.whatsoever a man soweth that also shall he reap.What these jackals/hyenas continue to not understand that the Almighty s hands are upon our president.If it were not the case he would have not been able to accomplish that which has been accomplished.We the people must continue to pray for our president every day.Father we thank you that your hand is upon President Donald John Trump and his family.We cover them with the precious blood of Jesus Christ and that the fire of your glory surround them 24/7 according to Zachariah 2;5 that no witchcraft ,no voodoo, no curse,no power ,no principality and no demon in hell will prosper against him..He will not be impeached,assassinated or harmed in any way and that no weapon formed against him and his family shall prosper.Father we ask in the name above all names JESUS Christ to dispatch your warring angelic hosts to destroy every plan and plot of evil.Father,we thank you and praise you for we know that you hear us.And we know that if you hear us that which we ask is answered in Jesus Christ name we pray,Amen.

  58. Gort says:

    No doubt Speaker Pelosi will be riding into the House Chambers Thursday on her broom.

    • aol925 says:

      Probably in a chariot! Recall she believes that her status is equal to our duly elected and beloved President! That gold pin she wears has something to do with Caesar.

  59. theresanne says:

    So, Pelosi is taking advantage of the Obama judge’s ruling to try to “legitimize” the one-sided impeachment “inquiry” before the ruling gets overturned on appeal.
    In the meantime, can’t the President’s lawyers go to court to protect the President’s Executive Privilege?
    In the end, impeachment has always been a possibility due to the Dem majority, but the closer it gets to the election, the harder it will be for Trump country Dems to vote for it. Think the Dems will want a Senate trial where all their dirty laundry comes out into the public? Surely some of the evidence Barr/Durham team is collecting will have an effect too, if it ever gets to the people.
    Meanwhile, keep praying and calling.

    • linda4298 says:

      They already blocked an aide to Bolton from being interrogated, he didn’ show up today.

    • cboldt says:

      Pelosi wants to cement Howell’s opinion and order in place. Pelosi does not want history to record a judicial finding that she (Pelosi) is out of bounds. She needs the House to endorse the process before the appellate court shuts it down.

    • hokkoda says:

      The Senate is not required to hold a trial in the sort of Perry Mason sense most people think of. With Clinton, they only had a few taped depositions and whatever the House Managers presented.

  60. rcogburn says:

    This is either the end of the Democratic Party or the end of the United States of America. One of us has to go.

  61. bluecat57 says:

    Who is confused? We know who is committing treason and insurrection. The coup is hot. Now Trump needs to charge and arrest them.

  62. Didn’t the Dems do something similar with obozocare? It wasn’t actually passed by vote, it was “deemed passed” in the middle of the night on Christmas eve. This is total BS.

  63. Dances with Wolverines says:

    The way I see it, we have three corrupt branches of government so a legal solution seems to be out of the question. It is unbelievable to me that two rogue Congressmen .from California can be allowed to destroy our Republic without a shot being fired.

  64. Barnestormer says:

    I’m unclear as to the significance of SD’s “conflation” point (combining the investigative results of the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees.) It seems to me that the critical defensive move is to get Judge Howell’s order overturned on appeal.
    Barring that, Nadler’s Judiciary Committee can plow ahead under the Howell holding that the House has authorized an impeachment inquiry via its Judiciary Committee. Even if further litigation precluded Schiff’s circus from piggybacking onto the judicial sanctioning of Nadler’s committee, Nadler could re-construct what Schiff’s crew has cobbleled together.
    The key to blocking compelled evidence from the administration is to obtain an appellate decision that no committee is vested with enforceable judicial subpoena power without the full House’s authorizing vote.

  65. zimbalistjunior says:

    btw a little prediction here:
    after horowitz FISA report comes out, you will start hearing the term ‘national security’ exemption from the lawfare associated folks in an attempt to shift the goalposts for obama

  66. Thomas Holsinger says:

    I disagree. IMO it was judicial or legal feedback. IMO there has been just enough time for the DOJ’s appeal of the DC District Court ruling that DOJ must hand over the Mueller investigation grand jury transcripts to be assigned to a DC Circuit Court panel, and for the panel’s chief judge to read the lower court briefs. IMO this judge’s initial reaction was that the DOJ was right, that Speaker Pelosi’s letter authorizing impeachment proceedings has no Constitutional effect, and for this to get to Pelosi somehow.
    Her problem on this issue is that she is only the House Speaker and has no right to begin impeachment proceedings by herself. Only a vote of the whole House of Representatives can do that. Though they can delegate that power to her, such as by House Rules, it takes a vote of the whole House of Representatives to do that.
    And there was no such vote nor is there any such rule in the House Rules.
    So her fallback position is to retroactively baptize the baby. A vote of the whole House can retroactively authorize her impeachment letter and any evidence obtained as a result of that letter. So the House Democratic majority will do just that. Plus I expect them to vote a resolution creating a special set of House Rules pertaining just to the Trump impeachment, which is entirely proper.
    Except that their special rules for this will try to prevent the Republican minority from doing anything which might help Trump and embarrass Democrats, such as preventing his defense in the House from introducing any evidence in opposition to impeachment. We’ll soon see how far they go in that.

  67. elsa8th says:

    incrdeble machinations
    >

  68. InAz says:

    Surely President Trump and his attorneys are aware of what these Commie SOBs are doing.
    I think a few hundred thousand President Trump supporters will need to descend on DC swamp.

    • H.R. says:

      It’s looking that way.
      Anyone recall Hooverville from their HS History books? We may need to set up a Deplorableville in DC.

    • grumpyqs says:

      The Dims are betting everything that Trump supporters are disorganized and afraid to use their Amendment Rights to support their President. Using audacity, blackmail and bribery, they seem to be accomplishing totally unheard of criminality in their efforts to finish the coup upon this Administration. We need to be on the Washington Mall and State Capitols very soon!

  69. AIM says:

    So we as citizens have any recourse in the fact that the Democrats are outsourcing their legal work? I mean to say is it constitutional that Lawfare is actually doing the writing of everything? They are using our tax dollars to pay their legal fees to oust the man WE voted for. How is this legal??

    • cboldt says:

      Congress outsorces all of their work. The people elect puppets. The real government is unelected lobbyists, bureaucrats, and judges.

    • michael says:

      It is not legal or ethical, that’s why the outsourcing, fall back blame on Lawfare. If they get away with a soft Coup the boot will be on our collective necks forever.

  70. furyus says:

    This crap has driven a wedge between members of my family, which I am certain is a microcosm of what is happening to our nation. Sad days.

    • sDee says:

      The divide is deep. It separates those of us who know the truth, and those whose absolute truths are built on media lies and hate.
      It is no going away and the only peaceful (but painful) way out for America is that the ugly reality of this putrid Deep State to be opened wide for all to see.
      Barr had better not F’ with this much longer.

    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      Furyus. The problem is that they believe YOU are either ignorantvor evil, AND their “politics” is a Virtue Cult, making them feel fully justified in stinking up Thanksgiving and Christmas too in an attempt to save you and convert you.
      I am not kidding.

  71. For Eyes says:

    Are there no House rules in place that might require a 2/3 vote to change process?
    No loopholes to use?

  72. George Hicks says:

    My tweet to Schiff:
    While you’re playing your meaningless games, you’re ignoring your constituents. YOUR state is on fire! Millions in YOUR state without power. An out of control homeless problem in YOUR state! Start doing YOUR job!

    • bill johnston says:

      Getting rid of President Trump is the big prize. The rest will come later.

      • ezgoer says:

        No chance 20 Republicans join the Dems for impeachment. They would be committing political suicide. Even McConnell.

        • The Devilbat says:

          I believe they would be committing suicide by angry patriots. Civil war is ever closer.

          • Ackman419 says:

            They’ll never hold the house or presidency again in my lifetime.
            Why would I vote for Republicans if they can’t get the caucus to defend against a railroaded impeachment?
            They would be worse than useless. It would destroy the Rep party.
            I’ll likely never vote again, if that happened.

  73. bessie2003 says:

    Any favorable chance this vote fails like the other 3 votes that have been held?

  74. JimWVa says:

    These Lawfare guys were the people in the $3000 World Series seats booing President Trump on Sunday night. I’m planning a phone call campaign to all representatives (Democrat and Republican) in the House to vote NO on the Pelosi impeachment “inquiry procedures” resolution.

  75. Frbrdskmi says:

    Lord help us, and help our President, Donald J. Trump. May truth and good conquer evil, Father. We pray for our country and her people as we deal with this struggle between good and evil. Father deliver us from those who choose to destroy, gird us with Your strength, Your promises and Your love. May all those who choose evil be foiled, may Your mighty hand destroy them and their evil ways. May every avenue they choose to cause evil be covered by good. We thank you Father, for we know that you will conquer all in the end. Father, bless our country, bless her people, bless our President and his advisors.

  76. Brian Baker says:

    Well how about if some republican in the House, any republican, publicly releases every bit of testimony done thus far in Schiff’s committee. If Dianne Feinstein can unilaterally release testimony transcripts without any consequences then why not do the same?

  77. ezgoer says:

    The majority of the GOP base is watching to see if the Republican Senate will realize this a coup attempt against ALL Republicans and fight back with force. If they don’t it will be the end of the GOP as major party just as the Whigs were ended when they refused to fight back against slavery and were replaced by a new party. What’s it going to be Mitch? Serve your voters or your donors?

  78. Nan says:

    Thank you Sundance for you very clear description of the Pelosi/Lawfare impeachment charade. I just received a call from a friend and was able to explain it to her just as you explained it!! She was aware of the proposed House vote, so I asked her what did she think it was. She said what most people are being led to think, “they are voting for impeachment.”I knew that was not the case, but having just read your analysis I was able to expose Maleficent’s evil plot!!

  79. Timmy-the-Ute says:

    This whole impeachment investigation is a cover for the failure of their Democratic candidates to excite the public.

    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      The impeachment thing is almost their final defense against EVERYTHING getting exposed.
      Insurance policy /abuse of NSA is merely the attempt to keep outsider Trump from discovering that govt is corrupt from top to bottom, and self serving.
      We have already had govt admit Bundy’s were within their rights, and had IRS admit to Sekulow ACLJ that they weaponized IRS.
      Lots more to unravel. U1. Ukraine. Fast n furious. Finicum. Reid – China scam behind Bundy land. Leaking military secrets and tech to China for fun and profit.
      Fake Obama BC.
      And, all possible by collusion of (R) with (D) while we are distracted by side shows. etc. Etc.

  80. Boknows says:

    How can something have judicial authority whenever there is no cross examination or defense presented?
    She is asking her party members to put their name to a yes vote supporting a kangaroo court based on a sham.
    If I were a member of the Democrat Party, that would be the easiest no vote ever cast. Their leadership and this sham is committing political suicide to the entire party.
    Their no vote would be telling the party leadership of Pelosi and Schiff, “Quit while you’re behind. No one believes you.”

  81. islandpalmtrees says:

    The actions of Pelosi and the Lawfare crew both in voice and in writing are encouraging members of the House to disobey the intent of our constitution and therefore the government. Impeachment can only be brought by all of the members of the House, not by a select few.
    Rebellion and Insurrection, Sedition, and Treason – what are they:
    The prohibition on rebellion and insurrection arises in a brief passage found in 18 U.S.C. Section 2383. The law prohibits the incitement, assistance, and participation in a rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States and its laws. The punishment for this crime is a fine, a maximum sentence of 10 years in federal prison, and ineligibility for public office.
    Rebellion and insurrection refer specifically to acts of violence against the state or its officers. This distinguishes the crime from sedition, which is the organized incitement to rebellion or civil disorder against the authority of the state. It also separates the crime from treason, which is the violation of allegiance owed to one’s country by betrayal or acting to aid the country’s enemies.
    The crimes are easily confused, but if the party wasn’t acting on behalf of (or giving aid to) a foreign government they are unlikely to be charged with treason. Calls to rise up against the authority of the government by staging non-violent protests and strikes might be characterized as sedition (if they violated laws relating to these acts), but wouldn’t be considered rebellion or insurrection unless the incitement included calls for violent acts such as the destruction of government property or the assault of officers of the state.

  82. RedWave2020 says:

    The Neocon rinos are playing along with their plans.
    “Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) disagreed, arguing that Republicans got what they wanted and should declare victory.
    “I’m glad the House has responded, and they’re going to have transparent proceedings,” Fischer said. “We’ve seen what we’ve wanted to see.””
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/susan-collins-senate-impeachment-060344
    Ridiculous

    • RedWave2020 says:

      Another side effect:
      “Several senators reiterated that the decision to bring the resolution up to a vote rests with McConnell.
      “I think it’s going to be entirely up to the leader at this point,” said Senate Majority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.).
      “If you’d asked me this morning I’d say yes,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) on whether the Senate should vote on the Graham-McConnell resolution. “Now with Pelosi announcing that they’re going to take a vote in the House I think that may factor in… That’s something.”

  83. Tiffthis says:

    Will they get judicial authority from this vote tho? Or will it still be “conveyed subpoenas”?

  84. IGiveUp says:

    Can’t wait to see what those enablers do. That would be the Senate. All parts of the gov’t have removed their masks. Good to see reality, even if it’s ugly.

  85. I hope Nancy gets her booze plane cancelled again. That REALLY pissed her off.

  86. David says:

    https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1188989740835594240
    Contrary to Sundance’s assertion, DOJ DID in fact appeal.
    (WASHINGTON) — The Justice Department on Monday appealed a judge’s order directing the department to provide the House with secret grand jury testimony from special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.
    The department also asked Chief U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell to put her own order on hold until a federal appeals court has an opportunity to weigh in.
    https://time.com/5712334/justice-department-appeals-order-mueller-testimony/

    • NJMAGA says:

      Why would the Obama Judge put her order on hold when the whole purpose of the order was to allow the Dems to do just what they’re doing. The order was probably pre written by the lawfare criminals.

    • Reserved55 says:

      Arrest the judge. It’s no different from so called judge Watson or others operating outside the Constitution.
      There are no such things as Tweet or thought crimes in our Constitution.

  87. Reserved55 says:

    Arrest the CEOs of the six communist corporate media companies for the treasonous coup against the United States.
    Charge the DNC Under the RICO Statute as an ongoing criminal organisation.

  88. Russ says:

    Can Republicans force a vote on impeachment resolution? Or at least get the rabid anti-Americans on record as voting against it?

  89. lizajmoon says:

    dear sundance,
    i think double jeopardy will save the day. eventually. hopefully before precedent is established.

  90. Justin Green says:

    Of course it isn’t. It’s a vote to affirm more secret hearings on whether they can have a vote on additional hearings on wether or not they should vote on more hearings to have, possibly, a vote on potential impeachment hearings.
    Stalling to see if they can keep support for Trump suppressed until a vote. I still think they’re just racing Durham, but have nothing to go on. In which case, Trump should just play out the clock and indict a bunch of liberal loser criminals.

  91. ChampagneReady says:

    If they hold a full House vote on whether a full impeachment “inquiry” is approved, then in my opinion it holds the weight of a formal House Impeachment inquiry. Which triggers the full rights of subpoena, attending interviews etc.
    A rose by any other name is still a rose. Any clever attempt at trying to make a re-modification for which she is already being mocked and made an international joke, will make her an even bigger laughing stock.
    If it doesn’t open up the rights of Republicans to participate fully with the adversary process, nothing has changed no matter how they try to twist it. It will be an ILLEGITIMATE impeachment process and no different than the farce they have floundering with up ’til now.

    • cboldt says:

      We won’t know until we see the language of the resolution, what effect it has.
      What we have now is rouge elements of Congress playing the part of a criminal investigator abusing its power by harrassing a target without reasonable basis for suspicion.
      After the vote, assuming the DEMs authorize the abuse, we’ll have the DEM party playing that role.

  92. California Joe says:

    So why is Lindsay Graham on BB crowing about how he and Mitch forced Pelosi Galore to conduct the impeachment inquiry in daylight with Republicans and the President having the same due process rights that Republicans gave Bill Clinton!

  93. Drogers says:

    More hypocrisy, to provide cover for prior partisan politics, in the hope they can continue to hoodwink their base until Election Day.
    As my favorite aunt used to say, ‘Oh you poor Dears.’
    *in southern talk that was the single best way to convey pity

  94. SD, great explanation of the unConstitutional impeachment effort next step. The appeal of Howell’s ruling needs to be fast tracked.

  95. Dee Paul Deje says:

    “I’m gonna count to 3 and then I’m gonna hold an impeachment vote. 1, 2, 2 1/2, 2 3/4, 2 5/8….

  96. islandpalmtrees says:

    Pelosi and the Lawfare group will have a plan to get this into the Senate were I am sure the RINO’s and the Democrats will be waiting. The Senate vote is setup, too – I am sure the fix is in.
    Because: Allot of people will be going to jail unless they shutdown President Trump.

    • margarite1 says:

      I’m not sure there’s much evidence that the crooks in DC are going to jail. Tons of evidence and yet no action.

    • bulwarker says:

      This vote gives the veneer of legitimacy Mitch wanted to proceed with a Senate trial.

      • NJMAGA says:

        It’s worse than that. The vote and Graham’s comments gives the veneer of legitimacy to the INQUIRY as if was a voted on constitutional impeachment investigation. And Graham acting like now PT can partake in his due process rights when it’s still not a legitimate investigation. He has to be playing dumb and taking credit.

        • NC Patriot says:

          No he actually said that this is fine IF equal sides included and can be presented and POTUS can defend himself. He doesn’t realize yet it is simply an extension of what they are doing now.——when he sees it, his letter in the Senate will still apply.
          ONE SIDED WITHOUT EQUAL PROTECTIONS WILL NOT GIVE THE SENATE COVER,

        • suejeanne1 says:

          I am exasperated with the lack of leadership of the RNC – is it really an atrophied relic – a vestigial organ, like the appendix, supposedly not good for much but can do harm if infected – is it overwhelmed by the American Chamber of Commerce? Was there a coup and we just haven’t been told?
          I want the RNC to assert primacy in Republican elections and kick out the ACC as a corrupting influence. I want the RNC to discipline members of Congress who need to remember the citizens who voted them into office and tell them to get their butts in gear to support our President.
          The RNC just seems so childish and ineffectual – like they think they are playing pattycakes – or “bean bag” – remember that old saying, “this ain’t bean bag”.
          I really worry about 2020 if the RNC is not up to speed and working like a well-oiled machine throughout the election year, starting now in 2019!
          Back in 2008, I was over at Mom’s and Dad’s, helping with chores, taking out the trash and as I emptied a wastebasket that contained junk mail and grocery store ads, there was an envelope from the RNC, a little yellow window envelope with “2nd notice” stamped on it in red as if it was a warning bill before the lights get shut off or something – now, my folks (mom and stepdad) were strong Republican supporters at various levels, Mom had been a precinct worker many years before and then during Reagan’s campaign for 1984, she was getting everyone registered to vote in case they had moved . . . but they were not happy about John McCain being the candidate in 2008 and so had not sent any donations.
          When I saw that yellow envelope, I thought: “we are not going to win this year – the RNC is blowing it, big-time, to be sending out dunning-notices right in the midst of everyone losing their jobs”

        • trump20162024 says:

          These stinking RINOs still don’t understand that we elected the Trumpster to destroy their swampy status quo, including their marquis of queensbury rules and milquetoasted manner of speaking to our enemies, foreign and domestic.

      • milktrader says:

        If Mitch goes there he can no longer live in Kentucky

    • Mike says:

      Too clever by half. Graham’s resolution co-sponsored by 49 other Reps still obtains. The Senate will dismiss any impeachment under these rules as a non-starter. No trial.

    • reliablydeplorable says:

      The RINOs in states that Trump won in a landslide will get the boot come their next election if they side with the Dems. And they are authorizing the Dems to target any Republican at any time in a political hit job. It will be the destruction of the Republican party – and that will be entirely on THEIR heads.

  97. bleep21k says:

    TheLastRefuge @TheLastRefuge2
    52m
    Replying to @canmanTCB
    Notice not one single comment tweets an actual and logical plan to defeat the scheme?
    The best plan is to “trust the senate”.
    Retreat to the Alamo and cross fingers.
    The “SCHEME”:
    On Thursday October 31, 2019 Speaker Pelosi is bringing to the floor a resolution to affirm her previous declaration of an “Official House Inquiry”.
    An Impeachment “Inquiry”, NOT a proper “Investigation” which allows for minority members of the house (republican) involvement and a “legal defense” during the fact finding process.
    Thursdays vote will be on a RESOLUTION to support the “inquiry”, with rules added so that the Intel Comm can take advantage of the Judiciary Comm recently acquired Judicial Authority (Howell) – WITHOUT an Impeachment “Investigation” Vote taking place.
    “…“judicial enforcement authority” without having an actual and constitutional vote to authorize an official “impeachment investigation”.
    The PROBLEM:
    Thwart the scheme in TWO DAYS/48 hours…(actually we can do this continuously throughout this witch-hunt, but lets try for IMPACT in the next two days)
    NO Mass Media support…
    The PROPOSAL/SOLUTION:
    1) The next TWO DAYS, Tuesday and Wednesday – copy the SCHEME above (or similar) and “paste” it on each and every MSM journalist and pundit you can think of (cnn, fox, President Trump, twitter, FB, ect.) = show some awareness to the scheme first of all.
    2)Call your representatives and leave the message of the scheme = more awareness. CALL IT A SCHEME.
    (202)224-3121 – U.S. House switchboard operator.
    3)Call LOCAL talk radio shows and again show the awareness of the scheme. Use the word SCHEME.
    4)#LawFareSheme and expose by name and information DOX (not personal, but by Law Firm info) concerning lawfare. (Research needed here – maybe share what we have already)
    This what I have so far; lets USE the Internet and social media, its here FOR NOW!
    I’m starting tonight – I’ll do what I can alone, until someone comes up other ideas…
    Lets take our government back – starting with US, here at TCTH!!
    Thanks Sundance, you are appreciated.

    • margarite1 says:

      I’ll call tomorrow but I’m on the left coast…not sure how much good it will do but I’ll do it anyway.

    • The Demon Slick says:

      President Trump is already defeating the scheme. He’s appealing the ruling to release the grand jury material to the house. If there’s any move by the house to penalize people for defying their subpoenas, that would go to court as well. All of the twisting and turning to avoid the courts, it’s all doomed to fail. Sure they might get a propoganda win like this grand jury material ruling. But the material won’t ever be given to them. Just like the judge in ny ruled that they could get his tax returns. Looking good on the front page. But they aren’t actually going to get his tax returns. Because eventually there’s an appeal to a higher court. And then their nonsense falls apart.

    • Thanks Bleep very much. I’ll call Lisa Murkowski’s office tomorrow, and follow up with two calls to local talk radio.

      • bleep21k says:

        Imagine that we all, maybe 1000-2000 strong, or even more – are able to voice that we are aware of this SCHEME, and others as well…
        It may not give pelosi and the lawfare criminals pause, but I would think that SOME of our elected officials actually give a f**k, and may think twice about whats actually happening to a duly elected President, as THEY are also “elected” officials.
        Worth a try because the MSM will not do whats right.

    • Mncpo(ret) says:

      i called Lindsey several times.

  98. WVNed says:

    They cant do anything to Trump. He is rich and can go anywhere. They are destroying our country though. In a few short years Trump will be gone and we will be left without elections or law.
    Words have never stopped leftists and they aren’t going to this time.
    I watch the stuff posted on YouTube by the MSM and it is outright lies.

  99. Patience says:

    California is AGAIN burning. It’s on fire!
    >plastic straws????

    • Jaap Titulaer says:

      No local powerlines at the height of streetlights. Silly fools. That’s 3rd world electricity.
      OK so they already have that, and not underground as in the rest of the civilized world (safe, say, new EU countries in the Balkans).
      Then add solar panels, linked to the net, and add extra usage by electric vehicles (quite popular in CA). After just a dozen or so Tesla’s your power company needs to adjust the local power supply. Do hundreds and you need a new intermediate station.
      Oh, and they’ll need to check the powerlines.
      Not in CA though, still same powerlines, but by now absolutely overloaded & close to combustible material. Those powerlines spark a lot. The claim that tree fall against them is mostly fake news, that is not required.
      A recent big fire started after they shut off power to a large area, but managed to forget the one that sparked the fire…
      So predictable, so stupid & so preventable: Get the powerlines underground & problem solved.

  100. KCBEACH says:

    As I understand it, this is a House vote to affirm Pelosi’s unconstitutional impeachment declaration. Trump will blow them raspberries and tell them to pound sand. Either the House takes an official vote for an impeachment resolution or Trump takes it to SCOTUS. Either way Pelosi loses…….again.

    • IGiveUp says:

      Why so sure Supremes will back Trump when the Senate can easily stop the House and the Judicial branch doesn’t have to intervene?
      Also, why so sure Supremes want Trump? Don’t you think their rulings are political as well?

  101. hokkoda says:

    Pretty much playing out like I figured. This is a paperwork impeachment. They could interview a bag of potato chips and write articles of impeachment. It doesn’t matter as long as they can buy enough votes. That’s all this latest trick is…cover for weak Dems to make it look legitimate…
    It’s a kangaroo court which will produce trumped-up charges to send to the Senate. The GOP House is going to take it up the tailpipe just like they did on Obamacare, and Democrats are going to PARTY once they pass it.
    Don’t tell your senator that you’re mad. Tell them that you will organize block parties to ensure they are not re-elected. Remind them what we did to the people in Congress who voted for Obamacare.

  102. PCS says:

    So what? Are the Dems hoping some federal judge makes the fake subpoenas turn into real subpoenas? That’ll just fast track things to SCOTUS where they’ll get smacked down. Hard.

  103. paulashley says:

    And again I say that we must all be ready for a massive march on DC, even in the dead of winter, if this gets to the Senate

  104. dreamguardian007 says:

    “Your job is to STAND UP and explain this complex non-constitutional process to your friends, family and neighbors.”
    Perhaps asking them, “If you were charged with a terrible crime for which you knew you were innocent, and its all over the news but you’re not allowed to tell your side of the story, what would you do? The Feds or Local Authorities are holding secret hearings that you’re not allowed to attend, and bad information about you is leaking to the press every day from the secret hearings. You know you’re innocent; you’re not allowed to defend yourself. What would you do?”
    That’s what the Democrats are doing to President Trump, and what they’re going to vote to continue.

  105. Austin Holdout says:

    Knowing many of us can’t articulate the Dems latest Lawfare trick in deep and accurate detail, would a reasonable “elevator speech” for friends and family be: “Pelosi is trying to get the power to subpoena people and punish people for not complying with subpoenas in a sneaky that doesn’t give the President or the Republicans any rights in the process?”

  106. Ivehadit says:

    Paul, WE ARE READY. This CANNOT stand! We win or we are slaves. No exaggeration.
    Unseating a duly elected president by an opposition party is THE END OF OUR REPUBLIC. Democrats are playing with fire. But they don’t care. Like King Solomon’s proposal to two women claiming to be the mother of a baby, they are the ones willing to cut the baby in half.
    WHO IS READY TO FIGHT FOR OUR BELOVED AMERICA? I AM. And my representatives who are servants of the Peopleare going to get an earful tomorrow

  107. icanhasbailout says:

    So I’m seeing leftists tout some Reuters/Ipsos impeachment poll from a few days ago. Naturally I actually look at the poll instead of taking it at face value.
    This particular poll has the most messed up internals of any poll I’ve ever seen. Conflates ‘adults’ and ‘registered voters’ (while making no likely-voter cut), and the numbers they give literally do not add up. There’s 125 registered voters and 196 additional “US adults” (a whopping 30% of the non-registered part of the sample) that are included in the poll but have no party affiliation – not even independent.
    A whopping 346 registered indy voters out of the total of 3447 total registered voters in the sample… that’s supposed to represent 40% of the real-world electorate.
    For some reason these polling outfits have been pulling extremely low indy samples recently – 12%, 13%. This poll has a problem on top of that, of another 321 respondents who mysteriously are neither Dem, GOP, or independent. Must be the “special sauce”… smells like outright fraud to me, not even just bad polling but intentional fraud.

  108. Atomic Hillbilly says:

    They think the constitution is an obstacle to be overcome.
    To them, it’s just a bonus if they destroy it in the process.

  109. jus wundrin says:

    Where are the repubs?
    Here is an article from Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch several days ago that explains it:
    “Time to accept failure”: Republicans aren’t just losing. They’re not even playing the game.”
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/10/time-to-accept-failure-republicans-arent-just-losing-theyre-not-even-playing-the-game
    “Time to accept failure….Keith, it is time to send a email blast to everyone who responded, everyone who bought tickets with 100% refunds and accept your mis-management for bringing this event to Sullivan County. Tomorrow evening, you will be alone with 10-20 people inside the VFW Hall in Claremont with a group of maybe 50 protestors outside. This is not how SCGOP candidates wish to be portrayed, nor how they will win elections.
    This entire charade is an embarrassment for the SCGOP and I suggest you step aside. Let us return to good ole’ [sic] fashioned hot dog roasts on the Newport Common where people came together from all works of life in the community, socialize and build common understanding. That is how we Republicans solicit votes…interaction with the public.
    You can write your own resignation…”
    I think this pretty much sums up the post modern repub party. Despicable in the least.

  110. evergreen says:

    “Operatives”.

  111. Kid Jupiter says:

    GOP Representatives shouldn’t participate in the vote and should hold a massive press conference outside the chamber while the moronic Dems hold their sham vote inside.

  112. sundance says:

    Trust the plan. = Retreat to the Senate and cross your fingers.
    That’s what I see all over. Not a single cogent counter-position or counter-move to block the Pelosi and Schiff scheme.
    The best hope outlined by EVERYONE is to accept the constitutional corruption, retreat to the Senate and hope for the best.
    A remarkable inflection point in history.

    • milktrader says:

      What is the House alternative

    • JohnCasper says:

      “Trust the plan. = Retreat to the Senate and cross your fingers. “
      Similar to al-Baghdadi’s plan of retreating to the end of a tunnel and crossing his fingers.

    • FofBW says:

      We do have a wild card who is being very quiet in the background…so far…..
      President Trump.
      We see nothing concrete, but he says he will never let us down. I tend to believe him.
      In the big picture we know the ending to all of this, but not till a lot of pain!
      Book of Revelation

      • FofBW, thanks for the reminder. I believe you are right. PDJT keeps moving forward getting things done. Dismantling the deep state piece by piece. Even amongst all the opposition.
        Divine Intervention.

    • Ivehadit says:

      No, we are alerting the President about what you have laid out. What else can we do besides contact our reps and alert our neighbors which we already do? We are ready and willing but we need guidance.

    • TMonroe says:

      And the numbers are tenuous to hold in 2020, especially with everyone distracted by all things presidential

    • MDNA I says:

      We’re here again. Arguably, we’re even closer to the abyss now than we were here – & this was as close as it’s ever been
      …. David Bromwich over one shoulder, Tom Fitton over the other… nothing but one pissed off, stabbed-in-the-back Senator standing b/w Democrats & the Constitution…… if he hand’t spoken Cornyn & Cruz wouldn’t have had the ‘go ahead’ to cross examine Feinstein……
      Not exactly a lot standing in the way
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_C7o5INBzw

    • Timmy-the-Ute says:

      I’m all for voting the Democrats out the House, but that isn’t for a year. Pelosi isn’t serious, so why should I take her serious.

    • Tkunks says:

      Many of us readers and supporters do not have the time or mental capacity to understand the underlying nor what exactly we need to do. Please help us

    • joebkonobi says:

      The only counter move I am aware of is DOJ appealing Judge Howell’s ruling on dems legal access to Mueller Grand Jury material. Not sure they will get a decision in time.
      From Breitbart article today:
      “On Monday, DOJ lawyers requested in a separately filed motion for Howell to pause the order pending review from an appeals court.”
      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/28/doj-appeals-court-order-to-hand-over-mueller-grand-jury-secrets/
      Apologies if link does not work. Its still on Breitbart website

      • Jaap Titulaer says:

        >> Not sure they will get a decision in time.
        How do you mean ‘in time’? Until it has been decided by USSC, this issue will be tied up in the courts. And the USSC is sure to deny the release of GJ material.
        Until that time, the ruling of that Obama Judge is frozen.

    • WhiteBoard says:

      the insurance policy is to win cover for the republicans to coup participate…
      you are right, … russsia, ukraine, it doesnt matter … they need cover unless the sense a tide changing.. *(cause they are all go with the power parties)
      the only way out is Full Disclosure and an ELECTION or ARREST. Arrest forever submits the political correct paper bag hearts. Election does nothing because the media will never stop the hype. i was for deciding this in an election, but i dont believe they honor election anymore because its blamed on russsia…
      i am now officially agreeing or thinking for myself that this must be completely haulted through exposure , indictments, and arrests… please inform the NSA as they listen to our CHATTER (CALLS; SNIFFs for advertsment through mics etc..) we are not going to accept the delusion of sovereignty not being possible.
      either we stand – or we have nothing more than a delay of the end of the country.
      flynn’s case was canceled = judge is ready to rule per Rvistan…
      this site has helped me see that Cold Anger is real, and that its the only fuel to keep us holding the constitution to its weight. we are solid, they are fake… the CHATTER listeners (NSA INTEL ETC) are checking the VITALS and seeing we are SOLID. STAY SOLID< – keep talking.. KEEP being informed by any site worth a damn – this is the top one of all through proof of content.

    • Sundance: See my post below for AG Barr to SEIZE the INITIATIVE on multiple fronts.

    • Mike says:

      The key is to msg against the phoney subpoenas. Make sure the public knows and it is hammered home that the DEMs have no legal authority to compell witnesses and documents, and that failing to produce is not obstruction. Protecting the Potus’ real poll numbers will lead to victory.
      McConnell can’t be trusted to deliver in the Senate. They are looking for an excuse to hold a secret vote on impeachment. They’ll call it jury deliberations or some such non sense, like they are calling the inquiry a grand jury.

    • gda53 says:

      Senator John Thune (Senate Whip) just said “No way in Hell” they impeach in the Senate. Them’s fighting words from someone I had not heard from before.
      Seems to me that Lawfare may be good lawyers with clever schemes, but they are operating on defense ALL THE TIME now, and on MULTIPLE fronts. Plus, Schiff has simply lost all credibility outside the Beltway and the crazies. The polls in battleground States look hideous for impeachment. Durham is impervious to their schemes, as is the IG.
      And Trump will invoke Executive Privilege no matter what hokey scheme Lawfare cooks up. So I don’t understand the fear that “punishment possible for the executive not complying with a House committee subpoena”. Am I wrong in assuming a dispute like this must be settled in the courts? I can’t see the WH being cowed by “possible” punishment.
      We knew all along they would impeach – it was written (literally) from Day 1.
      But I take John Thune at his word – he should know, right? No way in Hell they convict in the Senate. I would bet even Pierre Delecto doesn’t have the balls to cast a vote. And there’ll be a bi-partisan result there as well I’d wager – Manchin won’t sully his name with this monstrous stupidity.

    • Deplorable Canuck says:

      1. Form a conservative action committee of republican members of congress to target and go after vulnerable democrat members of congress and lobby them to vote no.
      2. They should simultaneously canvas and target adds to those districts urging people to get on the line to their members and demand they vote against or lose their vote.
      3. Lobby their own members, RINOS and aLL NT’S, and
      4. Encourage people to get out in the street and protest this sham inquiry and demand a halt to all such proceedings
      My best answer Sundance. It appears to me that the Democrats are outsmarting the Republicans. Sadly!

    • The Demon Slick says:

      I posted above, the ruling on the grand jury material is being appealed. They’re never going to get it. Of course they already know everything in it, but they’re still going to lose. Any subpoena enforcement they attempt is likewise doomed to fail. They’re bending themselves into pretzels to avoid the courts, but it won’t work. They’re going to end up there. And the whole thing grinds to a halt. Unless Pelosi calls a real vote they can’t avoid legal challenges.

  113. Chris s says:

    Sometimes we get a little psychotic on here people! You keep forgetting the main ingredient in an impeachment! WHAT HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR DID HE COMMIT? Once it becomes a true impeachment trump get to cross examine any witness and also call his own witnesses and present his own evidence! The Senate Republicans and even the rino Republicans are not that stupid to commit their on political suicide!

    • dimbulbz says:

      Sorry Chris. I dont think Trump will ever get to defend himself. These people Cannot permit any opposition to their actions. This is the new way of the Congress. Laws dont matter, Elections dont matter, Non-Democrats dont matter. This is now a totalitarian system, where the DNC decides the rules and laws as they go. Tomorrow there will be new rules. First for the president, and then for the rest of us in flyover territory. Our homes, our property, our beliefs, our lives are now free for forceful submission and until someone stops this, Only the well placed socialists will be “free”. We are now governed by the House of Representatives, and in fact, Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff now run the United States of America. We just dont realize it yet. Are they going to stop by themselves? Or Will they have to be stopped? I feel something very very bad coming, because they are not capable of stopping of their own accord until Trump is in chains, or dead, or simply missing and a new order has been established. with no opposition. their apparently is none now. They have seized power, they have seized the press, and they are hell bent on crushing the will of the American people. What else is there to say? Enough Republican Senators are silently allowing this, because they want it too. I honestly didnt see Mitt Romney as the destroyer he has become, but lets be clear: Lucky Pierre is no longer the rational, well spoken person he once aspired to be. He has become what he once despised…. So have many of our leaders. They see this coup as their only solution. They see Socialism as inevitable, and themselves only as being singularly worthy of flourishing under the new imposed banner of Communism and tyranny. We wont call it that, but, um… yeah. Hillary Clinton really did “win” the election, and is coming for her throne. And the deep state is standing behind her.
      Its well past time for a really serious march on Washington DC. Maybe a march “thru DC” would be more apropos.

    • sundance says:

      “Maladministration of office”.
      Look it up.

      • Rhi says:

        Per Wiki:
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        Maladministration is the actions of a government body which can be seen as causing an injustice. The law in the United Kingdom says Ombudsmen must investigate maladministration.[1]
        The definition of maladministration is wide and can include:
        Delay
        Incorrect action or failure to take any action
        Failure to follow procedures or the law
        Failure to provide information
        Inadequate record-keeping
        Failure to investigate
        Failure to reply
        Misleading or inaccurate statements
        Inadequate liaison
        Inadequate consultation
        Broken promises
        Yup, covered.
        Martial law, Military tribunals?
        Seems we may be heading there.

    • paulashley says:

      From what I’ve read, the current Senate rules for an impeachment trial have the Senate act essentially as a jury that passively listens only to the arguments presented by the House. John Yoo has argued forcefully thatvtge Senate must change these rules now.
      https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/the-senate-should-change-its-rules-on-impeachment/

  114. MR52 says:

    So I started to link to Whatfigner and I see that a new person has been reported as Ukraine phone call source: Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman. Any info on this. Also, I was thinking, maybe they found Baghdadi because he was connected to Nancy and she had contact with him when she was in Syria.

  115. John Obidienzo says:

    Pelosi orders a vote to put Schiff’s toothpaste back in the tube five weeks after most of it has been squeezed out. And maybe if she rolls the tube small enough she can apply the rest on the judiciary committee and brush up a few subpoenas that still have ‘no’ penalty.
    Purpose:
    “to create the impression of a full House impeachment investigation; without actually having a House  “impeachment investigation” vote…”
    Impressions are just that, impressions. You may just as well overlay a “Twister” mat
    over the whole process and let them have at it. The lawfare contortionists can twist the House rules into a pretzel and stretch Schiff’s iron bed Intel Committee to fit Nadler’s Judiciary Committee, then bestow illegitimate subpoena power. But If the process is corrupt, the facts will be corrupt/prejudicial. None of it can be admissible in [Court] the Senate in the end.
    Now we all get to see inside Schiff’s macabre torture chamber and the media still gets to steer the narrative.

  116. LightsoftheWorld says:

    FENDING OFF THE ENEMY
    It is disheartening that the WH lawyers sat back on this for so long. The WH must now force through an emergency injunction to challenge the constitutionality of how the impeachment inquiry was started as a means to prohibit any further testimony from employees of the executive Branch from rogue resistance persons giving testimony. The aim is to force another judge’s ruling on the constitutionality of the entire process. A contradictory ruling from a judge, finding the proceedings ‘unconstitutional’ would throw a spanner in the works.. Any such opposing ruling will immediately neutralize Judge Beryl’s opinion/ruling and put current proceedings in limbo, BUT, its a gamble in the DC circuit, particularly where it appears that the clerks seem to corrupt the process by which judge gets these cases.
    This is also why, a few loyal persons on Trump’s side already called as witnesses by the Shiff/Pelosi “inquiry” to give testimony in the unconstitutional impeachment process, should each separately file emergency challenges across the spectrum of judges in D.C., based on different legal arguments: attacking Precedent – set by all prior impeachment hearings in the House, Principal and basis for why the Dems have instigated and commenced unconstitutional hearings where there are no high crimes and misdemeanors, and the Process/fairness, Rule of Law; Lack of Due Process etc. and the fact that any thing stemming from the corrupt beginnings of the impeachment hearing process is fruit of the posionous tree. This would be to URGENTLY force separate rulings on the constitutionality of the Dem’s requirement to appear as witnesses. It’s simple, but what is required is a single contradictory ruling from just one other judge ( several would be better) to create a major controversy over Judge Howell’s Friday ruling. The Dems always go forum shopping, and it’s time Trump supporters in his administration do the same and use similar tactics.
    Warfare also demands every iota of Judge Howell’s prior rulings and personal history be investigated, stripped down and put on blast all over twitter, facebook, and other social media ( same for every judge that hears any of these proceedings). Whether they like Trump or not, they’ve got to be people in his administration who should be alarmed at the attacks on the Office of the Presidency and the attempts by Dems to dilute the power of the Executive Branch for political gain and personal power even by forcing a constitutional crisis. There are several people in the State Department, as well as the WH who have been ‘served’ with so-called subpoenas to give testimony and they ought to each make personal challenges to the so-called subpoenas and the process etc. ( reimbursed by WH at future date).
    The immediate release or leaking of even a portion of the IG report would also help, as would declassifying a few hard hitting documents exposing some Dems . The fact that Barr, Wray and others have held it up so long says all we need to know about Barr. He’s given the culprits/plotters all the time they needed to get their ducks in a row to implement their plans ( could be part of a plan but most doubt it). Anyone for Trump who has any dirt on Dems, or any whistle blowers ought to strategically consider releasing it about now. Anyone working in the DOJ who distrust Barr should L.E.A.K.!!
    In the meantime too many Trump supporters are more emotional than logical, and the entire warfare of the Dems and the Evil they ensconce, feeds off of negative emotions running high and hyperventilating. If you are not able to add anything to these events but high-strung emotion ( which is a fast spreading contagious “disease’ in warfare), the least you should be doing is praying. Prayer Works and brings light and wisdom. It’s time people grasp that this is first and foremost spiritual warfare and each understands their role according to their gifts.
    ——–
    Ephesians 6:12
    12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
    Deuteronomy 20:8
    “Then the officers shall speak further to the army, saying, “Is any man afraid or fainthearted? Let him return home, so that the hearts of his brothers will not melt like his own.”
    DO LISTEN AND WATCH THIS !!!
    https://youtu.be/382BTxLNrow?t=9

  117. I really believe this is the moment that Bill Barr was made for. He is probably the only one who can stop this madness by taking out senior members of the FBI, CIA, and Justice Department that was involved in the whole Russiagate business, and let Pelosi know that he will go after Oboma and Clinton if she does not back off.

  118. bessie2003 says:

    The DOJ filed an appeal against the ruling made the other day where the Judge said the Dept. had to turn over the Grand Jury material. It is 8 pages:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/432384070/DOJ-s-Motion-to-Stay-10-28-19#fullscreen&from_embed

    • bessie2003 says:

      Actually, they filed a Stay to put on that Judge’s order until their actual Appeal gets filed.

      • bessie2003 says:

        In reading the request for a Stay it would appear that in the final paragraphs, under its Section III is why Pelosi is in a hurry to have this new vote in order to switch the inquiry back to the Judiciary committee, as that is a point brought up in the request for the Stay.
        Any chance that a loud enough noise to the members of Congress that this is more word play and manipulation by Pelosi (put it off onto Schiff to put the blame on him instead of her) could serve to get her to back off until the full Appeal is filed, thus delaying the shift from Schiff to Nadler?

        • Nice work, Bessie!
          Any thoughts on my post below?
          The Motion for Stay appears to trigger Step 1.

          • bessie2003 says:

            made a comment below yours. Really important points and ideas.
            Out of our hands, except for specific, focused prayers.

            • 4. INDICT Pelosi and her Committee Chairmen … NOW.
              • The Gang of Eight became willing Accomplices.
              • Starting with the Demo☭rat House Leadership leaves the Senate off the hook, but exposed to being taken out, in case they want to raise their heads from their foxholes.
              • Lord knows, Durham likely has accumulated far more evidence by now than the proverbial ham sandwich.

              • bessie2003 says:

                Don’t see how there would be any indictment against Pelosi or any Committee Chairman, they will just say they are doing their job, and in their mind they are.
                Maybe this Horowitz IG report will come out before the Thursday vote so that will make them change their timeline, give AG Barr time to do his formal Appeal?

    • sundance says:

      The motion for “stay” is a pretty solid motion on three of four corners. They are weak in the argument over judicial authority, and specifically absent to articulate the compulsion within “judicial enforcement authority” and that’s their weakest corner.
      [Likely because case precedent is so thin]
      Obviously the motion was not written by the DOJ lawyer/idiot who did the oral presentations to the court. ie. some seriously underprepared and stuttering female attny (I forget her name).
      This motion for stay should succeed on the merits of the argument. But then again, this is a known Obama activist judge, Beryl Howell, so it’s 50/50.

      • zimbalistjunior says:

        what about the (seemingly obvious) argument that releasing the grand jury info would conflict with the Special Counsel statute? the entire special counsel regime is predicated on a separation from congressional investigations etc–the protection of grand jury testimony is a key to the efficacy of special counsel and does not vitiate congress from conducting their own investigations, as witnessed by the concurrent Mueller probe and congressional committee investigations

  119. Paul in Seattle says:

    So to be clear, the house requires a majority vote in order to send legislation banning plastic soda straws to the Senate, but not for impeachment? I think it would be fully within the control of Senate to at least insist upon full vote to be taken and a majority of the house approving impeachment it ‘before’ the do anything.

  120. SUNDANCE: How to THWART the House’s SHAMpeachment fraud.
    Responses to your tweet below …
    https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1188982519229755392?s=20
    AG BARR must GO on OFFENSE!
    1. AG Barr immediately APPEALS Judge Howell’s ruling directly to SCOTUS.
    • The House has unconstitutionally tried to intimidate testimony from the Executive Branch.
    • The House has NO authority to Subpoena in search of crimes without an Impeachment Inquiry.
    • The House has NOT launched an Impeachment Inquiry with vote of its entire membership.
    • The actions of the House constitute a SHAMpeachment fraud.
    • District Judges have no Constitutional authority to approve a Congressional SHAMpeachment.
    • Given that the Constitution directs that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court preside over any Senate Trial following an Impeachment by the House, ONLY SCOTUS can rule on the DUE PROCESS requirements for a Constitutional Impeachment according to the Rule of Law.
    2. AG Barr announces he has launched three CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS that involve the Majority Caucus of the House of Representatives including their members on the Judiciary, Intelligence and Ways & Means Committees:
    • POLITICAL RACKETEERING
    • SEDITION
    • TREASON
    3. AG Barr forwards SUBPOENAS from his designated investigators to the Speaker, Majority Leader and Committee Chairmen requiring that they immediately surrender all records of related testimony and investigations, and that they preserve all historical records until the investigations and any prosecutions have been completed.
    REQUEST: Please acknowledge receipt or reply, Sundance.

    • NOTE (subject to legal eagle rulings):
      Because the House Membership has NOT voted to launch a formal Impeachment Inquiry, ALL EVIDENCE and ALL INTERACTIONS are subject to Subpoena by DOJ for the Investigations in paragraph 2 above, with “no protections”.

    • All 3 Investigations must tap the ENTIRE NSA and Surveillance powers of the Federal Government … with ALACRITY.

    • bessie2003 says:

      Good ideas!
      The one about the District Judges having no authority to approve the sham impeachment process is touched upon in a subtle way in the Stay request.
      That too hints at why Pelosi is in such a hurry to have this Lawfare group’s shenanigans set a precedent. As I mentioned the other day, once a precedent is set, irrespective if it is backed up by a law, other courts are loathe to ignore a fellow Jurist’s motion.
      Pure Judicial activism via lawfare and Pelosi, so it seems #1 above that Barr needs to be quick about this, but also precise, anything overlooked the lawfare crowd with pounce on to create a new loophole, is important.
      I think that need to get on this quickly, precisely, is at the heart of Sundance’s tweet and this post about ideas – what can be done now before it goes any further.

    • sundance says:

      Cannot appeal to SCOTUS without going to appellate court first.
      However, if Judge Howell denies the STAY, the DOJ could ask for an emergency injunction.

      • 4. NOTIFY Demo☭rat House Leadership that they are Criminal Investigation TARGETS for OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE (familiar theme for them), including
        • Colluding in a fraudulent SHAMpeachment that fabricated Evidence
        • Rigging Witness Testimony
        • Threatening and intimidating Witnesses
        • Withholding or concealing Evidence
        • Using a SCIF in a cover-up of their Obstruction of Justice
        5. INDICT Pelosi and her Committee Chairmen … NOW.
        • The Gang of Eight became willing Accomplices.
        • Starting with the Demo☭rat House Leadership leaves the Senate off the hook, but exposed to being taken out, in case they want to raise their heads from their foxholes.
        • Lord knows, Durham likely has accumulated far more evidence by now than the proverbial ham sandwich.

      • Jaap Titulaer says:

        Yes.
        And that is the most likely course of this case.

    • MDNA I says:

      So he’s not impressed. That’s good.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9JHUU7ThlM

    • beach lover says:

      Someone needs to bring all these GOP members up to speed quickly. What Nasty Nancy is doing is NOT what Jordan thinks she’s doing.
      If Jordan gives it validation in the media, the rest will assume he is right. Come on, guys… this is the fight of your lives and our country at stake. We have to win this battle to have any hope of winning the war.

  121. Perot Conservative says:

    So it’s more game playing, window dressing, pretending to be an official normal process.
    But the minority and Executive branch don’t get the standard input and checks and balances an official Impeachment process mandates.

  122. John Obidienzo says:

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/ex-bolton-aide-defies-subpoena-deepening-impeachment-standoff-1880296/
    We will find out if this subpoena is toothless or not. It could go to the Supreme Court and the President can force a full vote in the House. This is a separation of powers issue and should end this ‘lawfare’ contrived extra-constitutional process to the benefit of future presidents.

  123. clulessgrandpa says:

    Shannon Bream and Brit Hume were just talking about Pelosi and her “This is not an impeachment inquiry vote.” It is starting.

  124. Joemama says:

    Sundance – you are correct. It is you vs. all the media.
    I pray for you and your loved ones.
    I will support you as best as I can.

    • Lester Smith says:

      Trump needs some top notch congressional scholar attorneys. These aholes are playing for keeps. Can’t wait on OIC report take this to Supreme Court stall and press release of classified documents.

  125. pitorro12 says:

    Can someone explain to me why the dems care about republicans having subpoena power? With a compliant media is it really even a threat? I mean they’ve got the public hoodwinked into thinking this is a regular impeachment inquiry. How would they not be able to hoodwink them about republican subpoena’s?

    • Jaap Titulaer says:

      They would subpoena the original ‘whistleblower’.
      They likely know his name.
      They ask him what he was doing in Ukraine in 2016 and what he was doing with his buddy Pinchuck, Clinton mega-donor (>> $ 10 million).
      They would ask him about the preparations before the filing with Schiff team, before the actual filing and after Schiff’s team asked him to play the act of WB…
      Their games can’t stand the light of day, so they’ll have to keep it in darkness as much as possible.
      So subpoena power to Repubs: NO, allowing GOP to select a next witness: NO,
      equal time for Q: maybe, but not if GOP is allowed to select witnesses.
      Presidents lawyers present, maybe, but not if GOP can set agenda, request witnesses or issue subpoenas.
      That’s what I’m expecting.

  126. Fools Gold says:

    Well Thanks Sundance for spelling it out in simple term. What I heard was there ain’t nothing Constitutional about and the media don’t give a damn as long as Trump is wounded beyond repair. Trump should challenge the resolution to the SC, not partiscipate and beat the hell out of them just like he’s done since the election. It would help if Barr and the mystery man Durham would shit on their parade in no uncertain terms imho…either way I’m fighting but you got to get idiots to thinking future generations will care when their parents don’t think about anyone but themselves. Brutal message but truth!

  127. BL says:

    Food for thought… a lot of us have researched or just living the dream knows facts of things over lets say the last 15 years. But, if Pelosi, Kerry, Obama and every other Dick and Harry can travel to different countries and meet up with anyone in charge like they are going to the neighbors to borrower a cup of sugar…to now thinking that they are in charge of what ever They Want and we have to play by Their Rules…doesn’t that make you stop and wonder…what the hell have They done that we are not aware of…before Trump.

  128. Sucker MC says:

    The Justice Dept. has already appealed the judges ruling.
    Stop with the spirit of fear. You act like Trump is a dummy. He ain’t going nowhere!
    GOD put POTUS Trump in office! The only way he will be removed is if GOD wants him gone and if that’s the case then there’s nothing you or anybody else can do about it.
    I don’t think you understand spiritual warfare. Pray for POTUS.
    Ya freakazoid.

    • Bubby says:

      Lee I don’t believe you’re right about the minority getting rights! So I tweeted you this post by Sundance I hope you read it and correct your tweet and mistaken beliefs about Pelosi’s impeachment inquiry vote! Vote NO!

  129. paolo says:

    THIS IS WHAT I SEE
    THE LEFT BUILDS UP COMMITTES to see if they have “sufficient grounds” to charge somebody , to impeach, they say: “WE ARE having committees t see if we have enough grounds” -to start impeach or not- being always on top of the innocent citizen -INVESTIGATING HIM. now they are INVESTIGATING THE PRESIDENT to see if he has committed the crime or whatever they call “sufficient grounds” for impeach, see the game? they build this criminal machine to investigate someone for no crime, but in order just to “gather sufficient grounds”, but hey “don’t worry , we are just … it is only an inquiry”.
    so I have someone that is innocent and I have a full corpus of people behind him investigating him 24/7 just to see if the subject under investigation has done anything I can call “sufficient grounds for impeach (-or anything I need, rlly)”
    these are fear-mongering techniques to keep the subject under this unlawful investigation afraid
    because you are innocent, but I still build a full body behind you to “investigate you” just in case…just in case… just wait, I am producing witnmesses m, gathering evidence, for how long? whatever time is necessary, it is an “ongoing investigation”
    \
    so they start this spy machine parallel to the law, to “create evidence”, “smear” and other treasonous acts just to see if they have “sufficient grounds”. so until they fulfill their ‘mission” they will be 4ever breathing on your neck.

    • beach lover says:

      and if Trump puts up any fight to the sham, they say it shows obstruction of justice! And they will impeach him over that!
      I really wish there was someone that could speak clearly to the American Public what Sundance has been so great at explaining to us here… that these same scumbags that ran the sham Mueller investigation are running this Pelosi and Schiff sham now. Put some meat on the bones of the story. If the public understands the intentions for what they really are, it is an easier fight.

  130. mainecoonman says:

    Is there any reason why the Republican House minority should not hold their own equally official enquiry calling and cross-examining their own choice of. Witnesses IN PUBLIC. A truly open session with Bill Taylor would be highly informative, particularly if he was to confirm that he had given the exact same replies and information to the Democrats behind closed doors. Any slightly hostile witnesses who refuse to appear can then be sent ineffective and legally invalid “subpoena” letters similar to those use by Schiff etc.

    • theresanne says:

      Sounds like a great idea to me~

    • beach lover says:

      any legal congressional minds here? Boy, I’d pop some corn to watch that!

    • Bogeyfree says:

      Please remember there is NOTHING stopping Graham as head of the Senate Committee to call witness under oath to testify publicly.
      Absolutely nothing stopping him. He has total control to do so but WON’T! Why???
      IMO that tells me all I need to know about the RINOS in the Senate.

      • Chip Doctor says:

        As most here know, I despise and distrust snake in the grass Lindsay Graham. He is a total swamp rat. However, we have seen times recently where Lindsay has said something to piss us off, only to have him come out the next day and correct himself.
        To me Lindsay Graham looks like a man being lead around by a long wire. One end of the wire is wrapped tightly around Lindsay’s nads and the other is being pulled by PT. Like a dog on a choke chain, Lindsay has no choice but to obey his master.
        I believe that if PT really wanted the whistleblower hauled in before Lindsay’s committee, it would happen. PT HAS the goods on Lindsay. There is a reason why PT isn’t just hammering Lindsay to death with his tweets. He knows something is coming. In the meantime, he is letting the Dems hang themselves out to dry.

  131. jx says:

    Democrats would like to claim Judge Howell’s specious and delusive conflation of separate cases somehow vests a Committee of the House of Representatives with authority to investigate a subject area which has not been authorized by the House of Representatives.
    The Judicial Branch has no such authority and a faction in the House of Representatives can not pretend that the Judicial Branch has such authority.
    The House of Representatives exclusively vests it’s Committees with authority to investigate a subject. No other other Branch can vest that authority.
    A Committee of the House of Representatives can not proceed based on a claim that the Judicial Branch has vested that Committee with authority to investigate a subject area.
    The Speaker and her faction can pretend all they want, but their pretending doesn’t make it so.
    Without a vote by the full House of Representatives to authorize a Committee investigation that Committee has no authority.

  132. I hate to hop on the fear bus, but people exert leverage to achieve goals. Since I was a boy I’ve heard talk about the IC having files of kompromat on politicians, from J Edgar Hoover to Nixon, Hillary’s Filegate, Snowden, FISA abuse, Wm. Binney, Epstein, etc. The depth of conniving has been on full display in Spygate and in the recent FBI declassification of CIA involvement in The Finders Cult.
    My question is, how many Senators have been compromised? For those counting to 20 Senate Republicans needed for impeachment conviction, we may want to factor in a few Blackmail votes.

  133. RAC says:

    Don’t they need a specific charge or charges. Does anyone know what it / they are? Seems to me they want some kind of authority to do a general search for something, anything they can cobble together. So far all they have is …1-She didn’t win…&2- they don’t like him + he scares them.

  134. bertdilbert says:

    So if we were to draw parallels, the inquiry would be the same as what Barr/Durham did before opening a criminal investigation. Except the “inquiry” part is fixed with selected information and exculpatory info hidden.
    So does this vote rise to the level of allowing the impaneling a grand jury? The plan would seem to be to place the actual trial and vote in the Senate while bypassing the actual formal investigation at the House level.
    It would seem to ,me the full investigation should be done in the House before bringing to the Senate. Not sure if my opinion is helpful or not.

  135. k4jjj says:

    Everyone should relax. There are only 100 Senators. There are more than 100 million armed Americans. Our side will win.

  136. bertdilbert says:

    Is anyone comfortable that John Roberts would preside over a Senate trial?

    • beach lover says:

      Want to see real chaos? Watch what happens if RBG dies. Heads will explode if President Trump tries to name a replacement. And this is a real possibility.

      • wightmanfarm says:

        I think it might be soon. That would explain the utter panic on the other side.

      • wightmanfarm says:

        On the other hand, if this sham impeachment works, the Dems will promptly begin impeaching the SC judges they don’t like.

        • beach lover says:

          or at least say he can’t replace a SC justice WHILE under impeachment investigation. This is such a sham. I hope Trump wins in a landslide and takes the house in monumental numbers.
          Although, knowing how the GOP weaklings work… they will revert back to “let’s play nice” now.

  137. Frank says:

    The democrats are a pathetic bunch of little pukes. They’re too stupid to win an election, so they’re flinging temper tantrums and shrieking for America to “look at me! Look at me! Orange man bad! Waaaaaah!”
    So the old bitch Pelosi wants to hold a vote to affirm that she did, in fact, say something stupid the other day. What a great use of America’s time and money. What a useful, forward-looking, bug-eyed coot we have as Speaker of the House. The 2020 elections can’t get here fast enough. I can’t wait to vote a straight MAGA ticket along with the rest of America, then sit back and watch those communist maggots go completely haywire.

  138. Troublemaker10 says:

    Steve Bannon’s War Room episode 9 (hour long) today was about Pelosi’s sudden decision for inquiry vote. Gaetz and Meadows are interviewed.
    ———-
    Episode 9
    Pelosi Caves to Conservative Pressure on Impeachment, Rushes Vote
    https://warroom.org/pelosi-caves-to-conservative-pressure-on-impeachment-rushes-vote/

    • Troublemaker10 says:

      If Pelosi tries to wrongly keep this in the Intel committee and ban all other members…..
      Can Rep McCarthy switch committee members around for the next couple months to be sure that he has the top notch best reps (both for questioning and fighting) for handling impeachment inquiry on the Intel committee until this leaves the House or is finished?
      Current Repub Members intel committee:
      ——-
      Devin Nunes, California, Ranking Member
      Mike Conaway, Texas
      Mike Turner, Ohio
      Brad Wenstrup, Ohio
      Chris Stewart, Utah
      Rick Crawford, Arkansas
      Elise Stefanik, New York
      Will Hurd, Texas
      John Ratcliffe, Texas
      Ratcliffe, Nunes, and Stefanik are effective, but some of these guys would be better than some of the others (ie anti Trump – Hurd) from the intel committee:
      Republicans on Judiciary Committee
      ——-
      Doug Collins, Georgia, Ranking Member
      Jim Sensenbrenner, Wisconsin
      Steve Chabot, Ohio
      Louie Gohmert, Texas
      Jim Jordan, Ohio
      Ken Buck, Colorado
      John Ratcliffe, Texas
      Martha Roby, Alabama
      Matt Gaetz, Florida
      Mike Johnson, Louisiana
      Andy Biggs, Arizona
      Tom McClintock, California
      Debbie Lesko, Arizona
      Guy Reschenthaler, Pennsylvania
      Ben Cline, Virginia
      Kelly Armstrong, North Dakota
      Greg Steube, Florida

    • Troublemaker10 says:

      Maybe that’s part of the establishment Dem plan. Biden (preferred dem-e candidate) can campaign , but Sanders and Warren can’t (in the final months before the first primary vote).

      • beach lover says:

        That is why Pelosi is trying to hurry this process. But, we need a message campaign today, to make it clear what is happening here. Time to fight, GOP.

  139. ABN says:

    I am not worried about this move by Pelosi/Lawfare. Why? Because the underlying story is easy enough to understand that most people will get it. At the same time it is also abundantly obvious that Pelosi is intentionally sowing confusion to fool the public. It’s very thin stuff dramatically. I look forward to POTUS and his helpers tearing this nonsense to shreds.

    • Judith says:

      Who are POTUS helpers? I think I MAY see some dust kicked up on the horizon, but I can’t quite make out the white hats. Do I see a calvary charge or is it just a couple of dust devils?

  140. Jaap Titulaer says:

    Why now? Because the HJC just won a legal ruling from DC Judge Beryl Howell granting the Judiciary Committee formal impeachment authority. {Go Deep}
    Lawfare is hoping that through this Thursday vote scheme they will be able to twist the legal process into providing their House inquiry judicial enforcement authority, or punishment possible for the executive not complying with a House committee subpoena.

    NO, NO, NO.
    That has already been appealed and has no force of law. And that will end up at the US Supreme Court. Where it will be rejected.
    They are asking not to release the unredacted report (as some claim), but they want the Grand Jury information as well. And that is against the law and DOJ will never allow that, so this will go all the way to the Supreme Court, And until such time this ruling by Obama judges is on hold and has no power.
    Hence that does NOT form a legal basis for subpoenas.
    As to the Why Now: Time is running out. And they know it. Think Flynn, Durham, etc.

    • bleep21k says:

      @Jaap Titulaer – I like what you have posted.
      Yet media narrative and the “appearance” (IF it is only) of “judicial authority”, as WILL be reported by the MSM, will have the effect of lending credence to articles of impeachment considering obstruction when it comes to that.
      “Our united job is to STAND UP and explain this complex non-constitutional process to our friends, family and neighbors.” – I myself am trying to stay abreast of all these machinations, and only doing so because of Sundance’s articles, and the member post expanding the explanation, such as yours.
      So within the next few days and hours I feel as if WE all should spread what ever word we can regarding what the SCHEME of this RESOLUTION VOTE on Thursday is all about.
      I don’t think its enough that we here at TCTH know what we know.
      #LawFareScheme – lets hit ’em up:
      “It is reassuring to see how strongly Republican Senators Romney, Collins, Murkowski, Sasse, Thune, Barrasso, Alexander, Blunt, Crappo, Gardner, Moran, Shaheen, Portman, Toomey, and Capito are supporting President Trump against House malicious impeachment schemes.” – @TheLastRefuge2
      Social Media access, emails and phone calls outlining the SCHEME to JUST THIS LIST of critters will have an impact!
      lets do this!
      #LawFareScheme

      • littleanniefannie says:

        Does this move set a precedent to delve into all things Obama? Iran cash, Fast and Furious, Benghazi? It would seem to me that fair is (Law)fare!

      • YeahYouRight says:

        We MUST also fire up our Representatives, “vulnerable” or not, and INSIST they respect the Constitution. Period. Lucy McBath has already been hiding and cowering from us.
        BOO!

      • BoreMole says:

        “Our united job is to STAND UP and explain this complex non-constitutional process to our friends, family and neighbors.”
        IMO this is every bit as perceived as cherry-picking lawfare as that which you hope to fight for, and is not going to work. Its the equivalent of “what the definition of is is” by an outsiders purview. I do not think it is remotely effective to try and explain to people the nuance, and Democrats know this.

        • bleep21k says:

          Even if you cannot define “is” eloquently, you can explain it as “to be something”, and the next person WILL understand you.
          “Inquiry” vs “Investigation” is a starting point.
          WITHOUT an “investigation” subpoenas cannot be compelled. Pelosi is voting on a resolution for an “inquiry”.
          Impeachment process hasn’t really started, but of course there is a narrative and an appearance.
          This is the nuance, and it “is” what it “is”.

      • Peoria Jones says:

        I’m going to be blunt. These nuances of rules and laws are beyond my comprehension. No way can I explain this effectively to make others act – nor can I grant them extra hours in the day to try to follow it, like I attempt to do. Furthermore, there is much disagreement even here amongst those with advanced understanding of the law and procedure.
        For some of us, we might get more mileage for our time by contacting our local and state GOP Committees. Call and tell them you expect them to reach out using their resources, to stop this scheme. Email them this article, which they may pass along.
        Send a link to this article to Conservative talk show hosts, pundits, and any fair-minded journalists you can. They are professionals at communication and have an audience.
        People with a platform can reach many. They need to know how many of us are aware of the illegitimate scheme, and they must understand it also. It is their duty to be informed and share this info.

        • askmeanythinginthelight says:

          Great ideas. I can do that!

        • suejeanne1 says:

          The various news channels/outlets/platforms seem to be asserting a tone of inevitability on behalf of the Dem “impeachment effort” –
          a drumbeat, a cadence that needs to be scrambled and knocked off-beat

      • the Dimwits are artful purveyors of weasel words…recall “it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.” Liar extraordinaire – Bubba “the rapist” Clinton

    • bessie2003 says:

      This comment says “that has already been appealed and has no force of law” – is there a link to the actual appeal that is being said it was filed?

      • YeahYouRight says:

        SD said it was already appealed, towards the end of the article.
        Not sure about the force of law, but does Congress go arrest people these days? Kinda moot. : )

      • Jaap Titulaer says:

        OK, perhaps I should have been more clear 🙂
        The trick is this: depending on the subject matter (and country) a matter that a judge has ruled about is either automatically stayed upon appeal (by the losing side) or not.
        If not then you need to do more than just appeal, you also need to submit a motion for a stay pending appeal (or for an injunction).
        The DOJ has submitted a motion to stay pending appeal, see the update to SD’s post above.
        This is to prevent that people can just go ahead using the ruling of the court, even though there is also still an appeal ongoing against that very ruling.
        The scenario that SD was (or still is) afraid off is that the Dems start running with this ruling and can act as if there was no appeal Abusing the time frame between this ruling and the later appeal to create facts on the ground.
        The request for a stay pending appeal (and if need be an emergency injunction) is designed to prevent that from happening. AFAIK the moment that you file for a stay or injunction the matter is frozen until the motion to stay the matter (until the appeal) has been ruled by the judge.
        As SD noted:

        “If Judge Howell doesn’t grant the stay pending appeal, the DOJ would have to look for an emergency injunction. In the interim, Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are looking to exploit the Howell decision that accepted, some would say ‘created‘, the existence of a formal House impeachment proceeding despite the non-existence of an authorizing vote.”

        Compare this with appealing a decision to build a road. Without an injunction (or stay pending appeal) they could just go ahead and build that road, while the appeal is still running it’s course. If you then later win the appeal, nice, but by then the road has already been build… The stay pending appeal (or injunction) prevents them from doing so: all parties have to await the decision of the appeal.

    • Sentient says:

      So our main concern is Roberts. They did something to make him flip on Obamacare. I hope he realizes they’re not his only worry.

    • inspectorudy says:

      The Constitution states that the “House” has the power to impeach. Nancy Pelosi is not the House! She is the speaker of the House and for her to have the power to impeach she must first hold a vote of the entire House for the permission to proceed. All of this nonsense will not stand.

  141. pristach says:

    March on Washington.
    Organized by B. parscale- the election is now, not in 2020.
    In protest of this sham.
    Day after Thanksgiving.
    The largest march ever.
    Peaceful. Resolute.Record setting.

    • Nobodysfool says:

      Great! Let’s plan to go. Black Friday can become New Day Friday 2019. New Day. We’re going to fight back, Barack, Adam and Nancy. We’ll do our shopping online that weekend, but on that Friday, we need to take a stand. They are not unseating our President and they aren’t flushing the USA down into their Socialist Sewer.

    • MfM says:

      Lousy time. Many people have long standing plans for Thanksgiving. It is also a horrible time to travel.
      We don’t do Black Friday shopping, we actually use it as relaxing family time.

      • David Ross says:

        Depends on how urgent each person thinks this is. If it is considered a threat to the country, it is urgent. If it is considered to be of low import, I guess enjoying Thanksgiving will be paramount. But it is a day off for most people, therefore a good time to make your voice heard if you care to.

      • Katherine McCoun says:

        Great time…many have timeoff from work plus long weekend for travel

        • Tl Howard says:

          Are you kidding. Thanksgiving, not XMas, is the busiest flying time, packed, packed, packed. People can’t get tickets at this last minute and what few could be luckily bought would cost a fortune.

      • Katherine McCoun says:

        What i dont like about it is Congress wont be there to see it and feel the heat.
        Last group who marched in favor of President Trump dudnt have great ptomotion or turnout. If President Trump himself said he would speak…put the call out, week day or not, we would be there!
        Weekday when they are in session, 10s of 1000s..President Trump speaking to us…WOW! Pu tye ptessure on Congress!!

        • Tl Howard says:

          And it needs to put the Constitution at the top of the protest: it’s protection and the history of protocol and FAirNESS.

      • YvonneMarie says:

        Many people cannot afford time off.
        Day after Thanksgiving is a good time.
        Bring the family & spend time together making history.

        • Somebody says:

          Day after Thanksgiving only works for those that can drive and even then the roads are crowded. The day before Thanksgiving is the busiest travel day of the year, airfare jumps significantly the week before Thanksgiving. Black Friday is the busiest shopping day of the year, pulling tens of thousands to DC could have an economic impact. Anyone that works any kind of retail will NOT have black Friday off.
          Planning or organizing smaller local events for black Friday might work better. The representatives most likely will be in their home districts anyway. As for POTUS speaking he’s usually in Palm Beach for Thanksgiving.

          • 1stgoblyn says:

            Our reps will not be in their DC offices OR in their districts to meet with their constituents. They will take another vacay to avoid the unpleasant, smelly, Walmart shoppers with questions.

    • BoreMole says:

      IMO walking around DC “peacefully” for an afternoon will accomplish nothing, and it will definitely not be the biggest ever with the weekend or the travel possibilities – in fact it will give great fodder for media mockery.
      Now if you wanted these people to basically stand and block every highway, railway, and port to effectively deny the cesspool of its lifeblood, I think that might gather some attention.

      • Peoria Jones says:

        Sadly, I agree. “Our side” consists of more retirees and working people. We are disadvantaged to compete with young, rowdy, unemployed riff-raff with nothing better to do.
        A march should’ve happened this summer, but the GOP is LOUSY at organizing. They don’t even understand their base.

  142. JimWVa says:

    Here’s the flanking move that Lawfare and the Dems have planned:
    https://wtop.com/dc/2019/10/activists-hope-to-take-impeachment-fight-to-dc-streets/
    They have set up a “flash mob” network to pressure Representatives to vote their way. Note the details:
    https://www.impeach.org/event/impeach-and-remove-attend/search/
    I’m not sure the Republican strategy to gain “cross examination” rights will make much difference. I’m calling all the House members saying: impeachment takes away my right as a voter to decide whether President Trump deserves a second term. Stop all impeachment inquiries. Vote No.

    • littleanniefannie says:

      It’s encouraging to see such “stalwart and upstanding” groups such as Move On and AnitFA pushing the impeachment narrative. My advice to Mr. Parscale: don’t march on DC and put patriots in danger from the thugs of the anti-First Amendment group, go to “Flyover country”. Not one March, but marches in every flyover state. Don’t march in the radical leftist cities either. Go for cornfields, manufacturing parking lots, shuttered business from NAFTA or shovel ready projects.
      I am to the point of giving the radical Socialist left the northeast states and the left coast. What will be left is 95% of the land mass and over half the citizenry. This is the America that true patriots love and care for. They think we can’t survive without them. I beg to differ. Let them grovel for food. We’ll have it. Let them grovel for clean water. We’ll have it. Let them grovel for fresh air. We’ll have it. Let’s see which part lasts longer—the part with Hollywood and Broadway or the part with food and water.

      • Damn straight! Starve the beast.

      • olddog35 says:

        So you would abandon me, (in Oregon), to socialism?

        • BoreMole says:

          Yes. The territory is already lost

          • Somebody says:

            Actually I believe it’s only Portland that is lost, the rest of Oregon is conservative they just get out voted. Interior California is conservative too, as is San Diego generally, but LA and SF combined with coastal liberal enclaves out vote the rest of the state. Illinois, Chicago out votes the rest of the state, Rhode Island, Providence out votes everybody. On and on, state by state the same pattern.

            • BoreMole says:

              I get that, and its the same where I am: Denver/Boulder runs the rest of the state of CO, no longer giving a wit that the 95% of the landmass is sustaining everything they do while they take, take, take. But unless there is a concrete and plausible plan to take that back or divide the states, that’s how the electoral map looks.

              • TheOtherSean says:

                What we need is Redxit, where the Red counties break away. Blockade the Blue cities, let nothing in or out, until this is accomplished

              • olddog35 says:

                “Why mention a State? They were legislating for territories, and not for or about States. Certainly the people of a State are and ought to be subject to the Constitution of the United States; but why is mention of this lugged into this merely territorial law? Why are the people of a territory and the people of a state therein lumped together, and their relation to the Constitution therein treated as being precisely the same?”
                History repeats itself- this is ground well trodden. My point is that on June 16, 1858, there was a certain address given to the Republicans in the Hall of Representatives that most eloquently covered this subject.

          • The Akh says:

            Many outside the urban centers of Oregon and Washington state are red-blooded as any in the fly-overs. No ground is worth giving up.

            • PinotNoir says:

              Spot on! Most counties in Oregon vote Republican. There is a nationwide pattern of a few cities dominating states. Authorize counties to leave states. Half of California, most of Oregon and Washington could join neighboring states. Lets see how progresso-communist city states do on tiny footprints. BTW there is no “Left Coast” there are states captured by a few communist cities.

          • Matthew LeBlanc says:

            If America did much like Turkey recently did in Northern Syria we could have a chance. We could call it a “safe zone” and it would extend 50 miles inland from the Pacific coast. From Washington State on the Canadian border to California on the Mexican border this safe zone would keep the rest of us from being invaded. Hopefully this plan would go in effect after I have successfully fled Mexifornia.

        • Carly says:

          You can sell your house and move, before it gets bad. You are heading toward Chavez territory, a short hop from Maduro land, so consider seriously getting out and migrating to the conservative areas of your state.

      • Somebody says:

        Maybe marches on local congressional offices? Large enough crowds show up and the representatives will take notice, they usually have staff in those offices who will relay the message. Hello boss, there are X thousand people protesting outside, what should I do?

    • bessie2003 says:

      Good grief, land sake’s alive! Flash mobbing for impeachment?
      These people are in such a rush to push all the emotional buttons before the Congressional Thanksgiving recess makes one wonder if their real goal is to kill the annual holiday where families and friends gather together, put aside their differences in order to give thanks to our Creator!
      Also always a sign someone a con is being pushed when the sales pitch insists there is no time to wait (and think).

  143. Boxerpaws says:

    Question:how damning is the Vindman testimony? It’s first hand knowledge. He was on the call.

    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Vindman can add nothing special since it would still be one person’s interpretation of a conversation that has already been released in transcript form. In other wordsit’s just more media hype & hysteria like the rest of this impeachment nonsense.

      • Kintbury says:

        Vindman is saying he shouldn’t have asked about Biden. So I guess that Means Obama shouldn’t have asked about Trump. Let us impeach both as I am sure there is much more on Obama as he asked them to search for a crime not investigate one everyone knows about.

        • Katherine McCoun says:

          I think they are saying that Obama wasnt running so he was impartial whereas President Trump may be is running dierectly against Biden.
          So impoertant to get to how hurricane crossfire started…as a set up Created by obama admin not obama admin reacting to legit reports

          • graphiclucidity says:

            Obama was out campaigning for the candidate from his own party he endorsed, Hillary, at the same time he was ordering the CIA and FBI to investigate Trump and his campaign as Russian agents based on Hillary’s opposition research.
            One can, with a straight face, claim that maneuver was a lot of things, but “impartial” ain’t one of them.

    • A K says:

      Vindman’s bitch is about Trump using Guiliani as a second foreign policy channel.

    • Somebody says:

      I’m wondering that myself, it’s certainly being spun as damaging. His opinion of the call is just that. Clearly he has disagreements with POTUS with regard to Ukraine, big deal, run for office yourself. The background stuff of what was going on is more murky.
      Clearly he feels things were shady, but his opinion is just that, what are the facts? He may claim this or that was said or done, but does anyone corroborate that besides anti Trump Obama holdovers? What do the facts show? The documentation? If not then it’ll be a bunch of he said, she said, differences of opinion with regard to foreign policy.
      This brings me back to what I posted the other day, an observation of a pundit…..don’t remember who. Basically, stop arguing process and go to the heart of the matter. Foreign policy differences are settled at the ballot box, not via impeachment. If there is no underlying crime, there is no basis for impeachment, stop dancing to the democrats tune.

      • Dwayne Diesel says:

        Exactly.
        The President has unilateral authority to set the country’s foreign policy. If that policy is ensuring that foreign entities clean up the corruption in their country before we hand over aid then so be it. If that corruption involves U.S. politicians so be it. There is nothing illegal about it. The DC swamp dwellers just don’t like it.
        These Democrats (and the silent Republicans) are just afraid that their money train is going to dry up and they have been partially exposed and will be fully exposed in the near future.
        The swamp critters know what is about to slam them in the face. The filings by Miss Powell in the Flynn case was a small shot across the bow. These swamp creatures may be conniving and evil but they are not stupid (ignorant maybe). They understand if Miss Powell can paint such a clear picture then Durham will be hammering them. They know this and that is why they are so desperate and acting so quickly.
        I know we Treepers are not happy at the pace Durham and Barr are carrying this out. But, in conversations with my grandfather (bless his 89 year old heart) where I expressed my frustrations with the pace of Durham and Barr he reminded me of an old Aesop’s Fable called the Tortoise and the Hare. He said let the Democrats be the Hare because he would rather have the Tortoise in Barr/Durham. He said there’s a reason the Hare loses and he said in haste mistakes will be made….he said just as in the fable it may appear that the Hare is ahead but in the end haste leads to mistakes and the slow and steady will prevail.
        I am starting to see this happening here. The Dems may be racing but the slow methodical tune of Durham will prevail in the end. Durham will have physical evidence, witnesses that provide actual evidence (you know darn well no plea will be given to anyone that can’t back their testimony with physical evidence- you know these FBI/DOJ folks if smart kept CYA proof).
        The one thing that keeps me calm is the calmness of Trump. It’s as if he knows and he is just letting the coup plotters and the Lawfare Dems let out more and more rope.
        Just my two cents.

    • Bryan Alexander says:

      Unless he has evidence that can prove the transcription of the call is missing key parts of conversation, his testimony is worthless.

    • RJ says:

      As our old Western movies come to mind you might recall those who were in the saloon getting “ramped up” via the shoutings and liquor where the main theme devolved into “let’s go get him out of that jail and hang’em now!”
      The lynch mob was created, only to be stopped by that adamant sheriff of a John Wayne type standing by.
      The democrats our “progressives” are shouting in the saloon, this recent convert is just one more excuse to run down to the jail they seek, nothing more nothing less.
      Gird your loins. Clean your weapons, gather your ammunition, protect your loved ones…evil is coming.
      You have already seen their faces!

    • mylabs5 says:

      If he was on the call, then he violated the handling of classified intel (since all phone calls by the President to foreign leaders are classified under statute) by passing the info to the “whistleblower/leader” who was not there.
      That “decorated” veteran should and probably will be charged under that statute.
      BTW- according to the NYT this traitor said he disagreed with the way Trump handled the call not that he did anything illegal. So I hope he enjoys Club Leavenworth.

      • mylabs5 says:

        That’s leaker not leader.

      • jimboct says:

        Next up, another deep state idiot who didn’t like the tone of VSGPDJT’s voice on the call when he said Yes. 2nd article of impeachment for demanding a diet coke causing pepsi to lose thousands of jobs. When will the insanity end?

    • L4grasshopper says:

      As were 17 others.
      So what did this guy hear that nobody else did….including the Ukraine President?

    • mimbler says:

      His version contradicts the official transcript which is compiled by a number of people. He is just another liar, and his testimony is meaningless IMO. Not to mention, that his objection is because he disagrees with his perception of the President’s policy; he isn’t alleging an impropriety, let alone a crime.

  144. jx says:

    The President does not serve at the pleasure of a faction in the House. They can not be elevated so high. They are a mere faction whereas the President is the sole national office. If that faction desires to impeach the President the whole House must vote – ALL the Representatives, the Representatives of every district in the nation, must vote to conduct an investigation and if necessary bring charges.

  145. jx says:

    The Judiciary does not vest House Committees with authority, the House does.
    Do not fall for Pelosi’s nonsense. She and her band of fanatics will take as much as they can get away with. In other words, as much as you allow.
    It is foolish to allow them to take anything which is not theirs. What is not theirs is the authority to investigate sans a vote. Judges don’t give the authority, votes do. There hasn’t been a vote to authorize investigation. Her planned vote “affirming” her investigation is not a vote to authorize investigation. It is yet another in an endless line of stunts.
    No vote means no authority.

    • cboldt says:

      — The Judiciary does not vest House Committees with authority, the House does. —
      In principle, yes. But in this case the judiciary is cooperating with a faction in the House. Not necessarily any particular committee – just that the judiciary says a faction of the House has the power now.

      • jx says:

        I wonder if there are any other subject areas the judge would like a House Committee to investigate. Then that Committee could pretend they’ve been authorized to conduct that investigation. The possibilities are endless.

      • littleanniefannie says:

        Nazi Puh-lose-ee wants to put Republicans in the cross hairs. Wonder how she’ll feel when the tables turn. I realize they are on a massive voter registration campaign in cemeteries, prisons and homeless shelters. The fat [email protected] from Georgia wanted to scream about voter suppression. I beg to differ on this point: how many felons were registered and voted in the last election thanks to activist governors through “executive” fiat? How many activist judges overturned Voter ID amendments passed by a vote of the people (as if these SOB’s are all-knowing)? How many Congressional representatives sent their staffs (at taxpayer expense) to Mexico to train illegal aliens in how to game the system and then where to go to become DemoncRAT voters? It is truly a disgusting situation.
        If the Republicans in Congress would stop being moral with their votes and try to do what they feel is right by their constituents and become more ruthless and power mad like the DemonRATs, then we never would have gotten to this point. They have lost all sense of morality and decency (not to say some Republicans haven’t—can you heat me Willard?). The day of reckoning is quickly approaching. Nazi P. thinks she was endowed by the Creator to rule the House. Only God truly rules the House and His House is the one we need to concern ourselves with.

        • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

          Perhaps it’s time to use one of the Left’s talking points against them. The ” all other modern nations do it so we should too” claim. Since so many other countries mandate that voters provide personal official identification of some sort in order to participate in elections then so should America.
          Let the good president sign an Executive Order stating that only citizens with state issued IDs be allowed to vote in national elections. Then watch the media talking heads, double talking solicitors & attorneys, nonproductive college professors, Hollywood actors with their pretend intellect and of course all the democrat politicians whine and moan and complain.

          • 1stgoblyn says:

            And wait until GA starts their purge of voters who have not voted for several years. Notices will be sent out next month and voters will have 30 days to respond. No response and the name is removed from the list. Stacey is sure to scream long and loud.

      • Bryan Alexander says:

        Authority granted to a sub-group by a group cannot be transferred to another sub-group without the approval of the whole group.
        Full House – Votes to give Judiciary Committee Authority to conduct Impeachment Investigation.
        Judiciary Committee – has no authority to “farm out” it’s investigative authority to another committee.
        In this case, Pelosi and company are working to come in the back door.
        House Intelligence Committee – Conducting Unofficial Impeachment Inquiry with no due process or transparency. The Intelligence Committee has NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY to conduct an official Impeachment Investigation.
        Full House – Vote to Affirm House Intelligence Committee Inquiry and merge with Judiciary Committee.
        Pelosi is trying to get a Full House Vote on Articles of Impeachment without the Minority Party having the ability to subpoena any witnesses nor the president to have counsel present nor all hearings to be made public, or even available to all house members.

    • madeline says:

      Pelosi believes she has more votes this time and make a bigger show because the Republicans voted with her on the Syria withdrawal.

  146. For Eyes says:

    Where are the meme wizards when you need them.
    I’ll never vote Democrat again … is a concept that needs serious air time.

  147. jx says:

    The Speaker does not have the votes to authorize investigation, so she contrives to claim authority from a court ruling. Perhaps she should simply “deem the President impeached”. Deeming is her wont after all.

  148. I don’t need complicated explanations. Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler grabbed power illegally, and now she is demanding the entire House go along with that, legitimize it. Tyrants/dictators do that…it is what they do(!!): Grab, then force the new “consensus”. She is counting on her fellow Democrats in the House “going along”, as is their wont, and not realizing that they are being used by her to subvert law and order itself.
    Either enough Democrats vote against her to stop this in the House, or the Senate must vote to stop it there. If neither occurs, you should know there is no law in the workings of Congress, and act accordingly.
    And if Barr were any good, he would announce he is investigating Pelosi et al., for conspiracy to commit treason.

    • sDee says:

      “If neither occurs, you should know there is no law in the workings of Congress, and act accordingly.”
      Prepare fellow freemen, for this day.
      I believe we passed this point countless decades ago. The Federal system is absolute power wrapped in an illusion of choice The Deep State, its Uniparty traitors and the globalists who own them all, do not intend to give up.
      Donald J. Trump has exposed it and there is no going back for those who have accepted the ugly reality.

  149. wightmanfarm says:

    The Democrat Inquisition of 2019

  150. Joe Hepperle says:

    SOLUTION: Use the example set by President Andrew Jackson:
    Worcester v. Georgia (1832),
    President Andrew Jackson is famous for having responded:
    “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.”
    **************************************
    In an alternative, Republicans can act as if it WAS (IS) an
    impeachment vote — form committees, call witnesses, issue subpoenas,
    and when the Democrats object that the Republicans actions aren’t valid,
    file a suit in the same court (Justice Howell’s) that said that the
    Democrats’ actions are “judicial”. Justice Howell would be hard pressed
    to explain her one-sidedness then.
    **************************************
    Unfortunately, a number of commentors here write as if they think an
    ‘impeachment’ means ‘removal from office’. It does not. An ‘Impeachment’
    only results in a sheet of paper wherein the House of Representatives has
    written whatever “high crimes and misdemeanors” they believe the President
    has committed. But that does not remove the President. That paper is then taken
    to the Senate, and a trial is held — where BOTH sides get to present their
    proofs and positions. The Senate is the Jury, and the “Judge” for this trial
    is the Chief Justice of The Supreme Court. It is highly unlikely that the
    Republican Senate would convict the President. But, even if they did, then
    Mike Pence would become President.
    Then, the newly minted President Pence can appoint Donald Trump as his
    Vice-President, then Pence can resign, making Trump again the President.
    Then the newly minted President Trump can appoint Mike Pence as his Vice President.

  151. Justin Green says:

    Well, I’m still back to my initial question.
    If the IG report basically lays waste to the grounds for the Mueller investigation in the first place, then you have an illegal investigation.
    Presuming the “grand jury” information relates to “muh Obstrucshun” and not “muh Rushan Clooshun” – since there was no such thing – then how can it be against the law to “obstruct” an illegal investigation?
    It’s not impeachable.
    It’s not criminal.
    It’s not even a misdemeanor, much less a high one.
    I still don’t see this argument being made by anyone on the talking head TV shows.

    • ms doodlebug says:

      According to Mueller, “If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so.” Accordingly, unless PDJT’s innocence of all crimes alleged by democrats is proven, he is guilty of obstructing their new standard of guilty until proven innocent.
      By their new standard, they are guilty of all crimes alleged against themselves until they prove their innocence. Let’s begin with the allegation that democrats have engaged and continue to engage in a coup d’etat to undermine our national security and constitutional right to elect our own President.

  152. FreedomLover says:

    An alternative point of view. The swamp is marching forward further into the trap. Ensnaring an ever larger network of corrupt politicians and their enablers. Republican Senators are smart to point out that the whole thing is unconstitutional – avoiding the trap – some here will very much dislike that, but it can’t be helped if some politicians are smarter than others – a small price to pay. Note the focus on corruption by this administration. Meaning, real, prosecutable corruption. Remember: This can never be allowed to happen again, and “promises made, promises kept”.

  153. In short, the Democrats want their kangaroo court to be seen as “a Judicial proceeding,” even though:

    “The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.” – §3.1
    and:
    “Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office …” – §1.3.7

    They want it to be called “Judicial,” because they want to find that the President is guilty of some crime, applying the Obstruction statutes not as the Court (or the AG) would do, but according to their own [Lawfare’s …] “novel interpretations” which the AG formally and officially rejected. The Constitution plainly denies them this power: there must be “high crimes and misdemeanors,” but you cannot find that they exist. The Democrats didn’t get the official ruling that they needed, either from Mueller or from Barr, and without this they have no basis at all. They’re not going to get one now, either. Unlike English law, our Constitution does not support “maladministration.”
    The Democrats also want this to be a “judicial proceeding” that denies both the accused and the opposing party every right granted to them by Amendments 5 and 6. Which is itself an abomination of “the rule of law.”
    Of course their position will fall apart as indictments start being handed down in Washington, DC, but even so I believe that the court case, Trump v. US House of Representatives, ultimately must be filed and taken straight to the SCOTUS. The original intent of the Founders must be unambiguously affirmed. If we lived in a country where the Congress could actually remove a President under false pretenses, we would not have an elected Presidency at all: any Congress with a majority in both Houses would pass Articles of Impeachment against the POTUS and the VPOTUS on inauguration day, leaving their appointed Speaker to be President.

  154. Shelly Lundberg says:

    I am totally APALLED, sad, and MAD!!! Where the HELL are the Republicans? Why aren’t WE getting just as sneaky, conniving, and stay one step ahead? The Democrats have, time after time, proven to do nothing these four years but come up with ways to get Trump out of the White House – screw the American people, our Constitution, our rights, the well-being of our Country – it’s all about Power. I just do not understand how all focus is always about Trump in this issue versus the REAL
    issue – the corrupt Biden’s. I’m astounded that the Republicans are not going full throttle to push back and get LOUD about the injustice against Trump/our country as well as the crimes committed by the Biden’s and Clinton’s. Instead, they are verbally chastising our President and keeping their distance.

  155. wightmanfarm says:

    Serious question. If Trump is impeached and removed, can he run in 2020 for President? Wouldn’t that be a shocker, if he ran and won.

    • Niagara Frontier says:

      It’s up to the Senate. The Constitution limits the possible punishments to “removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.”
      It only requires that an impeached and convicted official “be removed from office”—and does not mandate that the person also be disqualified from holding a future office.

      • amwick says:

        Absolutely true,,, but if the Senate is corrupt enough to enable this, then they will also make sure that VSGPotus is not able to run again. Mitch will be holding the fate of our nation in his feeble hand…

  156. wightmanfarm says:

    The Dems are going to make it real easy to impeach any future Dem president we don’t like. I think it might be a dangerous precedent for them to set and a judge might see it that way.

    • IGiveUp says:

      How? We’d have to win the House and Senate and control the media. If we lose this time, there won’t be another chance in our lifetimes.

      • annieoakley says:

        Control of the media is the key. This coup advance could not and would not occur without the Media push and Fox is as guilty as NPR, CBS CNN. NPR is calling Baghdadi a “real LEADER”. Our tax dollars support the BS at NPR and the stuff they spew is controlled by George Soros. Is he still operating out of Ukraine?

  157. I S says:

    Because CTH does a great job of explaining the twist in the wording and what it means. I think Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Know “joe public” doesn’t understand the nuances of the wording but eventually the public catches on and starts to react negatively to the dems in the poles.
    I think most of this is meant to try to ty the hands of PDJT (it so they think). To keep him in a box so he can’t make any decisions. But PDJT is way smarter than they are
    Look at Baghdadi… dems walk out of a meeting… ohh. Look at me I am putting PDJT in his place And I told him what for…. Baghdadi dies…can’t trust dems… Pelosi looks like a idiot …she walked out of the meeting and didn’t listen ….. optics!!!!

  158. Ellis says:

    The democrats have shown that one judge is all it takes to provide an injunction. Shouldn’t be that hard if it is needed.

  159. Sundance…through your work of edumacating the once “dense” minded of us here on CTH, me included, I have become more attuned to what these motions the 3 amigas are doing.
    Anytime, the Constitution is SUBVERTED and BASTARDIZED it becomes easier to do away with the levels of power that WE the People hold over these malcontents. IF THE stay puts a halt to this and the SC rules on it…THIS WILL BE THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN…AND THE 3 AMIGAS KNOW THIS!!!
    And I do hope the legal counsel for the repubs knows what is going on and gums up the works. Going after SECRET testimony is NOT a GOOD thing!!! That is why it is SECRET!!!

  160. Brant says:

    I guess one good thing is that Lawfare is realizing more and more people are figuring things out and they have to thread a smaller and smaller needle. They read social media too (maybe their own) and see more people are catching on. I’m sure Trump tweets are doing their part too.

  161. jx says:

    So a dozen or so Representatives get together and decide they want to impeach the president. They find some court ruling, or generate a court ruling, to vest them with authority. Then they start issuing subpoenas and arresting those who do not comply. Subpoenas for anything and everything, issued to anyone in the president’s orbit.
    Non-stop harassment. All day every day until the end of the president’s term.
    This is what Pelosi is doing.
    Illicit process, pretenses, and lies. Lawlessness of this magnitude, left unchecked, leads to chaos. This nonsense must be confronted with 100% non-cooperation. It is completely illegitimate.

    • annieoakley says:

      They haven’t arrested anyone, yet. However I remember Talib saying, “We are trying to figure out how we arrest him”

  162. Bubby says:

    My guess is Pelosi has the votes to pass this telling Democrats in swing districts not to worry it’s not an impeachment vote just a vote for an inquiry to determine if there are grounds for impeachment (which there aren’t). Pelosi doesn’t care if any of those swing district Democrats gets voted out of office next year. Pelosi and the msm have conned the public in general and the House Democrats in particular that this is just an inquiry and not an impeachment in order to get access legally to documents only available in a true “impeachment investigation” without providing rights to President Trump and the Republicans! This deceitful slight of hand is giving me the vapors. I guess because there are so few who understand what Pelosi and Lawfare are doing to this country and our Constitution as explained by Sundance! But God is still on His throne of this universe and is still in full control of all events even the destructive doings of Pelsoi, Democrats, Lawfare and the msm! We will see how He gets us through this latest challenge as events unfold! Godspeed President Trump and Sundance!

    • IGiveUp says:

      Good always triumphs–in the long run. But we don’t live in the long run. And evil can reign for a very long time–for multiple generations! *THIS* is our moment. The stronger side–as always–is going to win. I wonder which side that will be.

  163. sDee says:

    I share my deepest gratitude to Sundance for guiding us through this abyss. The body and System of Law in America has become a labyrinth. A means to enslave and punish those subject to it. Reward and enrich those who write it and judge upon it.
    ———————–
    My enemies’ mouths do not tell the truth; in their hearts they want to destroy others. Their throats are like open graves; they use their tongues for telling lies.
    God, declare them guilty! Let them fall into their own traps. Send them away because their sins are many; they have turned against you.
    Psalm 5:9-10

  164. Conservative_302 says:

    After Obama, the last thing I want is seeing more corrupt politicians acting unlawfully. Imagine if they had the power of the presidency again. They will be just as unlawful. Pass everything behind closed doors. You couldn’t pay me to vote for them. Not even if you offered me a million dollars. I am committed to serving God and loving/helping my fellow man. All this power they seek through evil will cast them into hell for eternity.

  165. This is so confusing and aggravating, I can’t comment without swearing. Wake me when its over………. MAFGA

    • amwick says:

      Confusing.. exactly.. I get the Howell ruling, in general.. Liberal judge, BO appointee, no surprises there.. but an appeal will be filed… in the meantime they ask Howell to halt her own order pending that appeal… That is where I lost it… She ruled against them in the beginning, why would she stop the order?

  166. doofusdawg says:

    Impeaching POTUS is just the gravy. This is all about creating an alternative media narrative to Barr and his actions. Is there any doubt which narrative the media will push. And Barr will be framed as a retaliation for impeachment… weaponization of the doj for political reasons… another article of impeachment. That is their plan.
    The best defense is a good offense. The problem is we have an ag doing things by the book and a corrupt cabal doing anything and everything to defeat and slander him. This is treason by any definition of the word. The left has shown who and what they are. Time for the moderates and suburbanites and never Trumping fence sitters to join in support for the rule of law… for their own good and the good of their children and grand children. Time to choose sides.

  167. Bogeyfree says:

    So here’s a thought since we are near the 11th hour.
    Lindsey subpoenas Pelosi, Shifty and Nadler to a public hearing before his committee to get their under oath statement on the how and why they devised this plot.
    As poorly as these people speak they will melt in front of the cameras and become laughing stocks to most normal Americans in less than 30 minutes.
    Imagine Pelosi trying to explain the question……
    Why did you modify the house rules whereby you have kept President Trump and his team from any due process? If this was your family member would you not want them to have due process?
    Did you have any discussions via phone, email or text whereby you and others plotted how to put PT in a negative position or how you could stack the deck against him you via this inquiry?
    And please remember that we have all your emails, texts and phone calls. We have even broken the Blackberry encryption so please remember you are under oath.

  168. WVNed says:

    Janet Reno would be using tanks on the democrats by now. It’s a dangerous cult.

  169. Bogeyfree says:

    Since what appears to be going on is an ongoing coup against the President and this Republic.
    And by definition:
    Martial law in the United States refers to several periods in United States history wherein a region or the United States as whole are placed under the control of a military body.
    So is it time PT puts DC under Marshal Law until the SC and Barr come forward with indictments and the evidence of this coup?
    I know of 62 million patriots who would help guard DC.

  170. olddog35 says:

    In 2016, We the People elected Donald J Trump to be the 45th President of the United States.
    “We did this under the single impulse of resistance to a common danger, with every external circumstance against us.
    Of strange, discordant, and even, hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought the battle through, under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud, and pampered enemy.
    Did we brave all then to falter now? — now — when that same enemy is wavering, dissevered and belligerent?
    The result is not doubtful. We shall not fail — if we stand firm, we shall not fail.
    Wise councils may accelerate or mistakes delay it, but, sooner or later the victory is sure to come.”
    A. Lincoln

  171. Matthew LeBlanc says:

    These people are starting to F around with my emotions. Not good.

    • lolli says:

      Matthew LeBanc
      Ya, treason seems to mess with my emotions, also.
      I have been lurking more than posting because I would need to be banned if I said what I think should happen to the ?s.

  172. testpointwp says:

    This is the template that will be followed if the Dems regain control of either the White House or Senate.
    All meetings in secret. Duplicitous votes based on Lawfare weasel wording. Major legislation passed at midnight on Christmas eve. The Constitution will be trashed as progressive/marxist judges are packed into every nook and cranny.
    While it has become a cliche, the next election really is the most important election of our lifetime.

    • Bogeyfree says:

      IMO, You forgot, if you are a Christian, a Conservative, a gun owner and anti abortion, you, your family and loved ones will be targeted endlessly until you conform.

    • IGiveUp says:

      “While it has become a cliche, the next election really is the most important election of our lifetime.”
      I think you may be forgetting that the whole purpose of the impeachment–such as it is–is to make sure there isn’t a next election–at least not one with Trump running.

  173. mylabs5 says:

    Of note on another take on the traitor from another site…
    He was also advising the Ukrainian government. He was a double agent.
    Camp Leavenworth.

  174. Bogeyfree says:

    You know why the whole Dennis Montgomery / Hammer argument IMO might be true and the real deal?
    If he was a fraud like Shipp implies and yet Binney indicates the bank records he has seen proves they were able to get their hands on information that only the bank should have had, then IMO the FIB would NEVER have given Montgomery immunity.
    They would have arrested him but they didn’t. Why not?
    Simple – It is likely he worked for the government and if arrested he and his attorneys would get DISCOVERY!
    I’m really hoping Sidney’s next case is Dennis Montgomery and the Hammer which could dove tail into all the Contractor Spying as well.

    • Bogeyfree says:

      More from Dr. Janda….
      “Interestingly, U.S. Assistant Attorney Deborah Curtis and FBI Special Agents William Barnett and Walter Giardina, three of the officials who conducted a 2015 classified debriefing of Montgomery after the FBI verified the 47 hard drives Montgomery had turned over to the FBI, went on to join Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Trump Russian collusion hoax investigation team.”
      “According to Montgomery, ninety percent of those individuals targeted by the Mueller team had their information harvested by “THE HAMMER.” That information, including “Hammer” surveillance data collected on Roger Stone and General Michael Flynn, was stored in the 47 hard drives turned over to the FBI under Montgomery’s limited immunity agreements.”
      Also wasn’t it Curtis who was taken off the Flynn prosecution case and retired just recently from the DOJ?
      Sidney really needs to take up this case IMO.

  175. Zorro says:

    I’m reading too many comments on various platforms to the effect if they remove POTUS we’ll never vote R, we’ll form a new party, etc. People, please stop we’re finished, the Republic is finished if the Democommies are successful.

    • lolli says:

      Zorro,
      Agree. IF the dems are successful in removing PT, it’s over.
      This is the battle we must fight.

    • Peoria Jones says:

      True! There is no choice but to REFORM the Republican Party. Once it is gone, there will be no choice. And we have the numbers to do it!
      Bear in mind how the left works. They infiltrate Conservative sites and troll for trouble. They want nothing more than to destroy our remaining ability to organize. They’re doing everything they can to subvert the GOP, which is our only remaining tool. Divide and conquer is their game.

      • jus wundrin says:

        “REFORM the repub party”
        The only way they will be reformed is when ‘we the people’ become reformed. Too much apathy and ignorance from ‘we the people’. The politicians know this, and as long as they perform a few tricks for their constituents, they know they will be OK with few questions asked.
        I live in the reddest of red states, and I have yet to see in recent times ANY of my three elected clowns hold town halls or show up at city events….and I live in the 3rd most populated county in the state.
        I think it will be much easier to convince my neighbors that our three amigos do NOT have the best interests of our country at heart.

    • L4grasshopper says:

      If they remove Trump, by definition it means at least TWENTY GOP Senators voted to convict.
      If that happens, tens of millions of voters…me included….will never….ever…vote GOP again.
      And if THAT happens, the GOP will join the Whigs in the dustbin of political history.

    • emeraldcoaster says:

      I too share your take on the importance of this moment. I pray President Trump and American patriots are not found lacking and can indeed “stand in the gap”. Our country and way of life are under assault from within.

    • amwick says:

      We are supposed to have three separate but equal branches… Clearly the legislative branch is attempting to destroy the executive…. We know it is bogus,,, but, isn’t it possible that the judicial branch could save the nation? Is that entirely magical thinking? I know,, Roberts is compromised.. RGB is kinda MIA…. but, someone has to be the grown up.

  176. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    Waiting for the Democrats’ next “expert” witness. Apparently they have found a White House janitor’s nephew’s girlfriend who claims that her penpal in Kiev knows someone who heard from a neighbor that the US President made inappropriate demands during a phone call with the Ukrainian leader. That should seal the deal for Pelosi & Peach45 Inc.

    • Peoria Jones says:

      Hell, I read the damned transcript. Why don’t they call me for my interpretation?

      • lolli says:

        ?Peoria Jones.
        Unreal, the transcript is there for all to see. But, let’s ignore the actual transcript and go with what someone says they overheard. The insanity on display is incomprehensible.

  177. B Woodward says:

    The Art of War by Sun Tzu states: “Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.”
    President Trump needs to fire a shot across the bow of the House and Senate members attempting this impeachment and/or coup. Rep Maxine Waters stated that Obama had a database on everyone. President Trump should use the entire government’s database for his advantage and declassify everything that would expose the Democrat’s corruption. He should announce that a book is being published that includes materials the he recently declassified on the most corrupt House members. Their corrupt acts will be made public. Follow the money and show how those reps became millionaires. Violations of federal laws will be cited. And include a bonus chapter on the most corrupt former House members. Follow that up with a book on the most corrupt senators. And include a bonus chapter on former senators, including Hillary Clinton and Kenyan-born Barack Hussein Obama. The unclassified info on Hillary’s corruption and Obama’s history would be worth the price of the book. POTUS can take the NSA files that the previous administrations illegally collected and use it against them. The Art of War states: “To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.”
    Also, President Trump needs to let these guys know that if they think it’s bad now, it will be 100 times worse if he is ever Breitbarted (assassinated).
    The truth shall set you free

  178. MR52 says:

    Any Clue who the idiot spooking looking guy is behind Schitty left shoulder.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?465805-1/house-intelligence-committee-stakeout

  179. Bigbadmike says:

    Didn’t Victor Hugo write a Novel about this Impeachment Con about 175 years ago? I think he called the Schiff character Javert and Our Hero was called Jean Valjean. I think he called the book Les Deplorables. The ending was good. Javert drowns himself.

  180. beach lover says:

    speaking of books… just ordered Lee Smith’s new book. Had to get kindle version. hardcover sold out already. I had read excerpts and it looks really insightful and well researched. Cant wait to read it.

  181. CathyMAGA says:

    If anyone is still confused about why we are where we are with the Democrats, just take a look at the post below. Everybody talking about why they can’t go to DC, they can’t afford to go, they got family plans, whatever. Does everybody understand that if we don’t stand up now, then your life will be meaningless if they are able to get Trump out of office. What part of that don’t you people get?

  182. For Eyes says:

    What is surfacing is just what Sundance originally alluded to. Options on actionable responses are poor.
    * We can get all plan-trusty with the courts. In today’s world the lower courts are a useless step toward appeals. Nothing in this is useful until the Supremes weigh in.
    * We can get all plan-trusty with the Senate, and trust Mitch et al will save the day. Go there and you better be clear in showing how that’s in his personal best interest. More than just reputations and PR.
    * We can hope Barr has something up his sleeve. Either on indictments that charge something (likely irrelevant) or direct legal action on some path not yet mentioned here.
    * We can hope Dems grow some sense of shame, and recognition they have brought their party into a nuclear winter from which they will never recover. Good luck waiting for that.
    My conclusion is there is no magic bullet here.
    So do it all. Do a mag dump on every path and idea however futile each path may appear, and hope something hits something vital. The sheer weight of assault from every avenue and corner is the sole ticket. Everyone needs to write, call, March on the politicians. Same to MSM. Same to social media. Show up. Encourage the powerful actors to act powerfully.
    DC must see consequences.

  183. Louisiana Tea Rose says:

    Thoughts:
    1) it won’t be impeachment if whatever “authority” arrives doesn’t include subpoena power AND right of appeal for the President
    2) highly recommend peeps here check out DiGenova’s cheerful and hilarious comments yesterday about Barr caving on the Howell ruling or him recusing himself, as he says the chances of that correlate tightly with the chances of destroying a rock with a plastic fork (caused havoc at my house as hubster and dog awakened to howls of laughter)
    3) Antifa/Leftist/Freakazoid Resistards nutting up on After-Thanksgiving-Day Demonstrations will sink like a lead turd in a toilet bowl, and would be further invalidated if American see patriots kicking off the Holiday Season with massive shopping/spending/pro-Trump-rallying activities that show the benefits of a Trump positive forward-moving economy DESPITE all opposition efforts to hobble it.
    The forward momentum of the Trump Economy is the driver in the cure for TDS.
    4) the victory in Syria is irrefutable, and WaPo lamenting the loss of The Austere One, a Religious Scholar, is so outrageous that it cannot ever be unseen by even casual observers of current events…I honestly don’t know a person who has not seen the picture of James Foley on his knees and not thought of what it must have been like for him, in his last, moments of terror and excrutiating pain, being butchered like an animal, by an animal.
    5) the visceral reaction I had seeing Kayla Mueller’s parents respond to President Trump’s remarks and his outreach to those families….well, it speaks for itself.
    Leftists, deal with THAT.
    YOU. ARE. SCREWED.
    No matter what kind of mileage you think you’re gonna get on Thursday.
    Deal with that.

  184. islandpalmtrees says:

    Howell has been linked to former Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Department of Justice fraud chief Andrew Weissmann, who joined Mueller’s investigation team in May, but an anonymous formal federal lobbyist told The Daily Beast that she is “no-nonsense.”
    http://www.bustle.com/p/who-is-beryl-howell-the-dc-judge-has-trumps-future-in-her-hands-75787

    • annieoakley says:

      If she is ‘no-nonsense’ her ruling would not favor the Communist Dems. Never trust a Judge. All Judges are lawyers in black robes.

  185. Raymond Capwell says:

    Playing word games.

    • ezpz2 says:

      Yes. This is not an inquiry., definitely not an investigation. (Name the crime!)
      We need to call it what it is: an INQUISITION!

  186. tozerbgood8315 says:

    Sad how the media feeds misinformation to the public and then polls them to get their mis-informed opinion on impeachment. The media has taken their cue from Communist Russia, China, and N. Korea.
    https://i.imgflip.com/3eo5fa.jpg

  187. KMD says:

    To explain Lawfare’s m.o. to ‘average Joe’ citizen, it’s quite simple:
    “Fake it, til ya make it…”
    Everything from the “dossier”, to the Kavanaugh “rape” sham, to this impeachment “inquiry”…they all lack one thing: FACTUAL predicates…
    Lawfare’s m.o. is to outline & fabricate a predetermined ‘crime’, then attempt to weave a binding thread of legitimacy to it, via pseudo-legal word salad.
    Sundance has pointed out many times, the whole phony Jenga puzzle crashes when the origins of these evil fabrications are scrutinized. If the predicate is demonstrably false, the illusion of legitimacy vanishes, and the tower of lies crashes down…
    This is where the corrupt media best serves its masters. Instead of shining an impartial light on the (false predicate) foundational blocks of these various shams, fakenews instead seeks build AND reinforce the ‘tower of babble’ blocks that Lawfare has availed them to build with.
    Thankfully, we have the wonderful Sundance & CTH to reference! “Fake it til ya make it” won’t fool the majority, once the m.o. becomes common knowledge. Keep up the good fight!

    • bessie2003 says:

      It’s surprising that the individuals that comprise this Lawfare group are seemingly immune from the type of scrutiny they are demanding from our POTUS.
      One would think that they have huge skeletons in their personal closets that it would be beneficial to the nation to air so that we, the nation, can see who are our, as voters who elected PDJT, accusers are. In a way the Trump voters are their real target.
      It only seems fitting that a bit of turn-about would seem a fitting next move.

      • Zorro says:

        Almost nobody except readers of CTH knows about Lawfare. Even the Freedom Caucus does not explain. Hard to go after people when most people don’t know about the basic construct.

  188. Paintingal says:

    I just saw this, posted 45 minutes ago (yeah, Fox)….
    Senator Lindsey Graham has created a new reality for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
    Graham has written a powerful resolution which Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell joined in co-sponsoring. Together they have attracted 50 co-sponsors – which means with Vice President Pence supporting them they would win a vote to dismiss any phony impeachment from the House that failed to meet a key standard of fairness.
    The resolution:
    “calls on the House of Representatives, prior to proceeding any further with its impeachment investigation into President Trump, to vote to initiate a formal impeachment inquiry;
    calls on the House of Representatives to provide President Trump, like every other American, with due process, to include the ability to confront his accusers, call witnesses on his behalf, and have a basic understanding of the accusations against him that would form any basis for impeachment; and
    calls on the House of Representatives to provide members of the minority with the ability to participate fully in all proceedings and have equal authority to issue subpoenas and other compulsory process.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/pelosi-announces-trump-impeachment-inquiry-vote-heres-what-i-am-on-the-lookout-for-now

    • Mike Robinson says:

      Senator Joseph McCarthy, at his very, very worst, did far less damage than this. He was censured by his peers.

  189. Mike Robinson says:

    In the “what’s good for the goose” department, most Americans would strenuously object if the President walked up to [someone …] and declared: “I declare that someone told me that you are a traitor. Therefore, as Commander-in-Chief I hereby order you to be shot.” No, that’s not how we do things in this country – not even in our military. So, why are we doing an equivalent thing now? ?

    “I said nothing, because they did not come for me. Then, they came for me …”

  190. Peter and Jan Denny says:

    Sundance, you ALWAYS make everything understandable. Thank you.

    • fhb says:

      Peeps …this tract of removing the head of state by vile & corrupt means is what that committee aide named hillary rodahm tried to do but was shunted, & kicked aside by fairer minded folks. she had to have training (soviet asset perhaps ) in order to try that…she is not capable [despicably corrupt yes but not intelligent ] there had to be an entire cadre to help plan and execute this type of warfare back in 1971,72,73 and 74….just like it is being run in 2015, 16 , 17, 18, and 19. the media and fearful republicans and others did a job on that president…his crimes did not warrant removal. his promise and delivery on extracting from southeast asia made him “not their guy anymore” and had to go.
      the current speaker of the house is also no legal type person, just a manipulator like those of her father , brother and others around her. she is a project manager, doing the assignment given to her.
      The U.S. Constitution, our bedrock, the thing to which is fundamental to our
      cohesion is under assault… by that constitutional trained person and his/their ilk. they are using an old play from an old playbook by old players.just like some generals fought panama just like vietnam …in addition to seeking revenge for multiple rejections; first by selecting a Black man over her and then another man… and the always goal of the USAs’ demise.

  191. Peter and Jan Denny says:

    Sundance, you ALWAYS make everything understandable. Thank you.

  192. Mike says:

    Why isn’t this LtCOL Democrat Vindman, under arrest and proceeding to court martial for violating a direct order from the Commander in Chief that no personnel are to testify to this fraudulent panel until it has been legally established with a full house vote on investigation?

    • cbjoasurf says:

      POTUS should his executive authority at the very least to ORDER LtCOL Vindman’s Dept. Chief to transfer him to a remote military outpost as far from the U.S. as possible with as little access to civilian comforts as possible. Too bad we don’t have any outposts in Siberia, or do we?

  193. Brutalus says:

    Real beats Fake every time ..Flimsy bows to Strong…Winning Trumps Losers….even out here in liberal California the truth is seeping out.. and, honestly, in terms of media, I always chuckle when behemoths like Rush and Hannity bemoan the “media” as if they aren’t kicking butt and taking names every day.. yes, we have to watch these turncoat Republican Senators, but the seeds of revealing their Sedition has been cultivated for 3 years now.. Brennan, Comey, Clapper, Ohr, McCabe, Rosenstein have become synonyms with corrupt… I just refuse to buy into all of this defeatism…especially when Trump’s on the cusp of turning all these criminal’s lights out…you really think he’s held back, played possum, gone into the Fortress of Solitude’s little Kryptonite chamber without a plan to go Superman 2 on them just at the right time? Trust Trump, Trust God, and Trust the American people

    • fhb says:

      God is in control

      • David DeAtkine says:

        I agree. There is more than just “nice” conservatives vs bad democrats and republicans going on….it’s spiritual warfare, baby….and God is indeed behind it all.

        • chipin8511 says:

          The smart move is to have a public trial and bring out all the lies and misrepresentation and manipulation of the American public by both the Democrats and the News Media.
          It would be a 24/7 campaign endorsement for Trump and the Republicans. If you stop it now there is still a year to go to the election.
          If you hold the trial and it is publicized it would be worth $5 billion in advertising for the Republicans.
          If you combine the Impeachment with actual trials of many from the Russiagate fiasco and make sure they are held in public too, the Democrat Party will no longer exist after the 2020 election. Every conviction of a conspirator will result in an extra 1 million-5 million votes for the Republicans. A conviction of Hillary would be worth 10 million and a conviction of the Half-Breed Mu**m N****er would be worth 20 million.
          The death of the Wicked Witch in SCOTUS will also be worth 10 million Republican votes because the Democrats will repeat the Kavanaugh hearings.
          Public trials are amazing things and when they are political you can gain a massive advantage. Remember, Hitler was a nobody until his trial and prison sentence.

          • mugzey302 says:

            But, the democrats are writing the rules. What about that??

          • dottygal says:

            They could have military tribunals and invite the public. I would watch for sure!

          • Ellis says:

            An impeachment trial in the senate would have all these people take the stand and answer questions under oath on live tv. Imagine the absolute spectacle to have Obama questioned about spying on the Trump campaign in an impeachment trial for the world to see.
            The democrats will never allow that to happen which is why impeachment is a pipe dream and will continue to be a media narrative to dupe the dupes..

        • Mariposa323 says:

          Amen ! Life is a binary choice ; good vs evil . We know who wins in the end and we do not make peace with the enemy he simply has to be defeated .

      • Orangepaws says:

        God helps those who help themselves

    • rmhnc says:

      1000 likes, Brutalus.

  194. Mushroom says:

    I’m sure its been discussed somewhere, so please direct me where.
    Comments and articles flying fast and furious now!
    This Ukraine impeachment is obviously another coup attempt by the left and deep state, and they are now racing against time.
    What mechanism is in place constitutionally, to investigate a seditious coup attempt by certain individuals inside congress.
    It seems to me, the Senate or DOJ, maybe SCOTUS, should have the ability to stop this process and investigate the merits if someone can show legitimate malfeasance on the part of the impeachment “inquiry” (Schiff, ICIG, etc.)
    If there is, why isn’t anybody actively pursuing it. Seems bizarre that the Senate (if your cynical, part of the coup), and Barr (racing the clock, but I deny that’s not a bigger fish to fry than removing a President from office by way of coup) are not stopping this ridiculous process.
    Barr just want to save his beloved DOJ and FBI/CIA and could care less what happens to DJT???

    • For Eyes says:

      You cannot prevent a law-breaker from breaking the law if they are intent on doing so.
      You can only deal with it once its done.
      Dems are in control of the House, and you cannot legislate sanity and decency.

      • jbowen82 says:

        Unfortunately, I think you’re right.
        I agree with Mushroom, and I would go further. I think the Mueller investigation, and now the Ukraine investigation, constitute obstruction of justice. The primary purpose of the Mueller investigation was to tie Horowitz’s and Huber’s hands because they couldn’t interfere with an active investigation. (We still haven’t heard from Huber, by the way, and who, if anyone, is looking at the unmaskings? I suspect there are at least two more investigations out there that get no press at all.) Now that Durham is launched, look for them to try to use the Ukraine investigation to stall him.

        • MGBSE says:

          I’m of the opinion that Mueller existed to destroy criminal evidence against Obama and Hillary…just like Jamie Gorelick did for the Clintons during the 9/11 and SubPrime/2008 Hearings (and a myriad of other Clinton criminal actions)…they are “Fixers”…and do not care who or what is destroyed during their Fixing.

        • trump20162024 says:

          Exactly!

      • Mushroom says:

        That is my point For Eyes. It’s not hard to see, this Ukraine impeachment was initiated through malfeasance. IMO (no legal eagle) crimes were committed (ALREADY) in order to start this process.
        Whistle blower my ass!
        Why is there not an investigation into the intiation of this impeachment sham.
        There has to be a mechanism so that bulls*** star chamber proceedings like this can’t be allowed to proceed.

    • Mushroom says:

      Sorry. POTUS DJT. MAFGA! KAFG!

    • jx says:

      It’s the latest pretense employed by Pelosi’s fanatical sore-loser faction in their attempt to overthrow an election.

  195. pocaMAGAjunta says:

    The President has been fighting and winning against the Russians and Chinese, both militarily and economic, for the benefit of all Americans.
    Everything Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are fighting for is an attempt to undermine the actions of our President, and are counter to the safety, security and economic interests of all Americans.
    The malevolent abuse of the impeachment process for the sole purpose of seizing power is not only unconstitutional, it is seditious. No, it is treasonous.
    The destructive capabilities for nations to conduct war against us has evolved beyond traditional armaments. No doubt the Russians and Chinese are very pleased with Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats.

    • amazed treetop downlooker says:

      That’s WHY everyone of these treasonous sleeves DESERVE EXECUTION, E V E R Y S I N G L E O N E of them.
      This is WAY BEYOND a brutal political contest, this is a civil WAR !
      The fifth column ENEMIES within MUST be vanquished to the FULL EXTENT of the law, including the enemamedia !
      Our Constitutional Republic will NOT be safe until these fascist minions of their globalist jackals/bankstermasters are corralled & given their due !
      ??

    • fangdog says:

      What is it those who are willing to risk sedition and treason to overthrow Trump’s Presidency? IMO, you’d have to be stupid or insane.

  196. hokkoda says:

    The Mueller materials are evidence in an ongoing criminal probe (Durham). DOJ should lock it up and throw away the key until Durham’s investigation ends. DOJ has a good case to make given all the leaks from the supposedly “secret” hearings that they cannot release the information because it is needed to verify key elements of whether or not illegal spying was conducted, for example.
    Also, seems to me that the DOJ and WH lawyers should argue in court that since it is not an impeachment investigation, merely an inquiry, that the subpoenas have no merit regardless of which committee is involved. No full House vote = no documents, no witnesses.

    • California Joe says:

      Of course! Federal grand jury evidence is frequently transferred from one grand jury that’s ended to a new empaneled grand jury especially when the investigation is ongoing as this one is…just in a different direction! LOL. Investigating the fabricated evidence maliciously provided by government officials to the initial grand jury!

      • hokkoda says:

        I don’t know how the court would react to it, but it certainly seems to me that if DOJ wanted to keep that g.j. testimony and not release it to Congress, that they have a very straightforward way to tell Congress to go pound sand.

    • hokkoda says:

      Also, a key member of the Mueller investigation (Strzok) is possibly a target of the investigation, and certainly a principle witness, which again makes the Mueller investigation, grand jury testimony, and report (as well as any emails by the Mueller team, text messages, etc.) EVIDENCE.

  197. tozerbgood8315 says:

    LOL – BREAKING NEWS!
    https://i.imgflip.com/3eofc5.jpg

  198. islandpalmtrees says:

    Pelosi could have used an alternative means to obtain the grand jury information under Rule 6(e) and failed to show rationale for conducting its investigation. Why?
    Why was this ignored by the Judge?
    “they’ll be forced to justify its validity in court where they must demonstrate the committees’ power over impeachment. ” according to the amicus brief.
    With no House vote, this is a mock impeachment Published
    October 4, 2019 By JD Rucker
    Doug Collins, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, in an amicus brief filed in Washington DC district court.
    http://noqreport.com/2019/10/04/no-house-vote-mock-impeachment/
    Amicus Brief – Extract
    If the Committee seeks judicial interference in its proceedings, the House must take the procedural and political action required of it by holding a vote to delegate its impeachment power to the Committee. Barring such action, the Committee advances an unprecedented and untested argument. A single House committee chairman, Member, or Speaker does not, and
    should not, wield the power to delegate the House’s impeachment authority without a full Housevote. Without such a vote, the Committee is merely conducting ordinary legislative oversight under House Rule X to determine whether an impeachment inquiry may be warranted in the future. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s September 24, 2019, announcement that multiple
    House committees will “proceed under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry” does not change the fact the whole House has not voted to delegate its impeachment authority to the Committee—or committees—for an inquiry. Her statement has no legal effect; the Speaker’s press conferences do not provide her extra-legislative authority.
    ***Additionally, the Committee has not shown a compelling need for the grand jury information it requests because it has alternative means to obtain the information. Congress enacted Rule 6(e), and Congress can amend it to cover the circumstances present here. The Committee has also failed to show with particularity how the specific grand jury information it requests is connected to its purported rationale for conducting its investigation.***
    http://republicans-judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/10-03-19-Exhibit-Proposed-Amicus-Curiae-Brief.pdf

  199. willthesuevi says:

    If we think the fight is hard today, imagine coming back from the expulsion to the wilderness the removal of POTUS would create.
    On the other side of the coin – I am seeing more Americans engaged in the political process than I have ever seen in my lifetime. More citizens are getting educated and there is a bigger chink in the leftists armor than I have ever seen. We are over the target.
    I know things look bleak. The leftist media is doing what they were put on earth to do. Screw us, the US. They would not be so batchit crazy if we were not making big inroads.
    The swamp has never been this threatened, even during Reagan.
    Reach down, grab a pair, do what you can, we are going to win this. Ask God for strength and wisdom, everyday.
    Win ugly if we have to. But WIN!

  200. Ausonius says:

    Even Leftist MSM polls are showing impeachment is a loser for the DEMS:
    Only 36% are in favor of impeachment according to one poll (USA Today) and a split decision of under 50% in another (NBC).
    Could this be why Steny Hoyer was seen to be hesitating about Pelosi’s announced vote concerning the Impeacharoo Court in the House?
    See:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/29/poll-only-36-say-house-should-impeach-trump/

    • tozerbgood8315 says:

      My opinion on impeachment polls
      https://i.imgflip.com/3eo6jl.jpg

    • He’s hesitating because he does not have the votes.

      • Allard Otten says:

        Katie Hill. They can’t protect their own. Pelosi jettisoned her because, most likely IMO, Pelosi’s up to her ass in something much bigger and can’t risk the impact of the next shoe to drop about the small fry.
        Dem reps are on their own. Tulsi talking about a new dem party, too. It’s ready to blow.
        I’m going with Hill was a good guy op. All dems are vulnerable, but the good guys are going to take out the small fry first until the small fry realize they need to be more afraid of the good guys then they are of Pelosi and decide to save their own ass rather than Pelosi’s face.
        POTUS beating up Pelosi and Schiff pretty bad, too, especially when saying stuff like he doesn’t trust them with his soldiers. I don’t think those two can just shake it off and it could create some unforced errors. Hoyer may be the only one who can talk Pelosi out of rage induced decisions.

  201. Remember, the Democrats are all about ‘optics’. So is the swamp writ large.
    They had this never-trump Ukraine guy waiting in the wings for maximum effect, I.e. trot him out with statement to generate media frenzy just before their ‘vote’, providing cover for the vulnerable dem-district reps.
    Someone should leak the full transcript.

  202. CM-TX says:

    So on searching whether impeachment antics would impact PDJT’s eligibility in seeking re-election, I came across the below article.
    ⚠️ Given Pelosi’s PARTISAN Impeachment antics in the House, along with the ongoing changing of “Rules” w/o regard for Constitutionality of– I would NOT put it past the UNIPARTY/SENATE to at least attempt this BS move. It also provides cover for any R-Senators to duck behind…
    “The Impeachment Loophole No One’s Talking About Trump’s impeachment doesn’t require 20 Republicans…”
    | The Constitution doesn’t indicate that removal from office requires two-thirds of the Senate. It requires two-thirds of senators present for the proceedings.”
    The inclusion of this single word in the Constitution’s impeachment clauses shifts the mathematical ledger of how impeachment, however unlikely, could go down. It allows for the all-important two-thirds threshold to exist along a sliding scale—far from the full attendance of the 100-member Senate. In theory, a vote to convict the President (or anyone else) would count as legal with as few as 34 members, not 67, assuming the absolute minimum (51) participated. |
    https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/10/10/the-impeachment-loophole-no-ones-talking-about/
    ? Word-Games ALWAYS! Leave it to the Left already lacking in reading comprehension, to selectively pick & choose– processing only what they want to hear. I’ve no doubt they utilized their mental gymnastics to distort the actual meaning into a feel-good interpretation– bypassing proper context, & any conditional or clarifying factors.
    Further ignoring that which is implied– ie., of course it meant the FULL Senate body, otherwise the inclusion of a contingency: “2/3 majority vote” would prove pointless & abused!
    But then the Left is ALL about scamming the legal system to enrich themselves, & working towards the enslavement of the American people.

    • CM-TX says:

      Somehow this makes more sense (posted prior)…
      https://i.postimg.cc/0QPppRZn/8-B251769-0-BED-46-B0-8-A7-B-628680686177.png
      I guess the part about a trial by Senate, right to a defense will somehow being eliminated too.
      No worries PDJT, the House Dems/RINOS provided one for you in all those super-secret Hearings (oh & sorry, it didn’t go well for you).
      And perhaps the Senate will just accept Pelosi’s (comical) ?Packet of Talking Points? as the only evidence to convict. They’ll likely call a vote just after everyone leaves for the Holidays/Recess. McTurtle? will then pretend to be ?, & claim he didn’t know.

    • Doppler says:

      Two thirds present means some senators need serious security. And don’t schedule bus trips together for Senate Republicans.

  203. Jaap Titulaer says:

    Also, you may want to go to twitter. Some Dem accounts are very active.
    Look at the hyenas in this thread.
    https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1189199492370841600

    • lolli says:

      In my cynical mind, I see LG setting this up to make Pelosi’s sham look legitimate.
      Anyone else?

      • Right to reply says:

        Yes, and also showing Trump that after signatures, the impeachers have a majority of one! I utterly despise the man, Graham needs voted out!

  204. California Joe says:

    AG Barr and Durham should have the Mueller grand jury evidence transferred to the new Durham grand jury since it’s all extremely relevant and that would prevent it’s disclosure until the Durham investigation is concluded! Transfering grand jury evidence into a new grand jury is done all the time! Certainly many of the players in the Mueller investigation lied under oath and many of them described how and where they obtained the fabricated information leading to the accusations that President Trump colluded with Putin to win the election!

  205. fangdog says:

    What advantage do we have over the Democrats…..”Commonsense”.
    Once this is fully understood there is no way the Democrats can defeat us. We are as is our leader Trump, who’s main interest is preserving the freedoms and self-destiny for the American people. The fate for Democrats is no real difference than the fate of ISIS. They are both enemies of America and must be dealt with the same eventual outcome of relevancy.

  206. The American Patriot says:

    This isn’t going to end well for the Demosocialistscrats!

  207. Mr e-man says:

    I guess Pelosi’s previous plan to gin up support for an actual impeachment vote after the last recess didn’t work. So she is trying to put some more lipstick on the sham and try again.
    Trump releasing the call transcript blew them up big time.
    It is sickening to watch media and elected officials complain that Trump is using the government to damage a political opponent when that is exactly what Nancy and Schiff and Nadler are doing. It was also done by Obama and Hillary in the 2016 election. Yet now it is a crime.

  208. islandpalmtrees says:

    D.C. Circuit review a memorandum opinion of such consequence before grand jury information is provided toHJC. Is the legal talk for the Amicus brief, referenced above?

    • islandpalmtrees says:

      To answer my own question. No, it is the Court issued Memorandum and Order requiring the Department of Justice (“Department”), by October 30, 2019, to disclose to the petition.
      It’s just the order.

  209. Summer says:

    Rush is actually talking about this right now.

  210. For the millionth time: THANK YOU for all that you do on this site to cut through the propaganda and explain what is actually happening.
    God did not only put DJT in the White House for this moment in time. He gave us you, too. ??

  211. dleach02 says:

    what happens if the repubs just decide to not show up for the vote?

  212. islandpalmtrees says:

    So now we are on to Obstruction-Of- Justice dossier from the Trump-Russia dossier from the Steele Dossier. You know, if this is not open-sedition, then I don’t know what is?

    • jbowen82 says:

      Unfortunately, they have 100 million people who support them. They won’t stop. We, the majority, need to send them a clear political message next November. Then be prepared for how their fringe reacts.

      • islandpalmtrees says:

        My approach would be more direct. Get the evidence on Pelosi and Schiff for arms sells and prosecute, now! This alone, would likely end the impeachment. Gateway Pundit, as allot of the evidence in case anyone from the DOJ is reading.

        • islandpalmtrees says:

          as allot of the evidence in case anyone from the DOJ is reading “should be” has allot of the evidence in case anyone from the DOJ is reading.

  213. Concernedcitizen says:

    As the Dems/left continue with their unconstitutional “whistleblower” impeachment farce, most Americans other than far left democrats are asking themselves why the Dems are acting in such an irrational manner. Clearly there are no grounds for impeachment. The Dems seem to be working against their best interests as public support for their efforts is rapidly eroding.
    The answer has to do with the fact that the Dems are panicking over the Barr/Durham investigation.
    The Dems foresee that the investigation may very well bring down Obama as well as a number of members of his Administration. If that happens, the Democrat Party will cease to be a viable institution and left-wing ideology (the Dems religion) will greatly suffer as well. The Dems may never again win a Presidential election or gain a majority in the House and/or Senate.
    So how do the Dems cope with their fear of a devastating outcome of the Barr//Durham investigation? They attempt to change the subject with a ridiculous impeachment/coup attempt. Anything to take their minds, and the minds of the American people, off of the coming tsunami of bad news when the first indictments are handed up. The Dems are desperate – the walls are closing in.

    • jbowen82 says:

      As I alluded above, if November 2020 goes like I think it will, we should be prepared for civil unrest, particularly in large cities and blue states. I think there is a nonzero chance of a terrorist attack on the inauguration. It’s very likely that there will be attacks against ICE and CPB facilities and agents, supported by the MSM, which will paint them as “Gestapo.” Between Election Day and early January, members of the Electoral College need to have armed security. This is no joke.

      • The Demon Slick says:

        I’m actually ok with them burning and looting their own cities.

        • American Heritage says:

          That only happens when it is staged by the Leftists. I question whether we’ve had a real grass-roots protest in this country after the sudden outbreak of the anti-war riots of the Vietnam era. IMHO, all the protests/riots have been Leftist agitprop since the 1960s.

      • amazed treetop downlooker says:

        SADLY, you are CORRECT ?

    • Allard Otten says:

      I think a big problem for the dems is that there is now very few leaks, or the leaks are barium meals. Those who pay the dems for such inside info might just be turning the screws tighter.
      So, what the dems are doing now is just a ploy to get at any information they can, e.g. the grand jury decision. The inquiry is an attempt to get witnesses in private so they can find out info to report to the paymasters and then control any incriminating evidence (about them) getting out to other sources, while leaking incriminating evidence against POTUS to the MSM. That’s been stymied because administration officials have ignored the subpoenas.
      The new vote sounds funny to me because if the pubs vote against it, wouldn’t they be voting against open hearings? I haven’t read that much about it because my bullshit tolerance reflex is completely satiated, so I’m just going by the tidbits I pick up scanning websites. I just wonder if it was a dem gotcha that the pubs sniffed out and can turn to their advantage if they play their cards right and turn the screws on them from the other direction? Thus, Hoyer’s walkback attempt.
      All in all, though, yeah, I definitely think it’s backs against the wall time for the dems, as you say.

    • Tl Howard says:

      The impeachment is phase 3 of the coup, for all to see. It will actually VALIDATE–because we can SEE it being employed–that all the other presently hidden parts of the coup took place.
      I mean, come on, any thinking person no matter the party, sees what lengths Trump’s enemies will go to to defeat him, including cheatin at every turn.
      It won’t be hard at all for them to believe a spook like Brennan, who placed himself on tv, was out to remove Trump before he ever took office. People do NOT have inherent trust of a secret agency like the CIA. They once had faith in the FBI and lying, weird, goofy-looking, goofy-behaving Comey, the face of that agency, ripped the trust apart.
      In America, we NEVER have faith in spooks.

    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      Correct! They will then also claim that the Barr investigation is of political nature in response to their impeachment “inquiry”.

  214. Mgk says:

    https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text
    Can someone please press the speaker, Shitff, and all those supporting this Coup impeachment to explain how President Trumps phone call doesn’t fall under this treaty??

  215. For Eyes says:

    The stock market is a discounting mechanism that plays as much to raw data as it does to emotion and psychology of the sum of investors.
    The market has clearly shown over the last several years that it likes Trump. Good news for Trump has regularly led to an up move for stocks. Heck, it began a monster bull move the night of his election that continues.
    It is in that vein that I mention that yesterday the market put in a new all-time high, and a fresh higher high and new record today.
    WE are upset, and rightly so. The market is saying “not so fast.” Don’t jump to conclusions.
    May it continue.

    • bulwarker says:

      Im listening to him talk about it. He’s got it all wrong and believes Pelosi is being forced to take a vote on opening an official impeachment investigation, instead of what she’s actually doing: affirming the sham, ongoing unofficial inquiry, and co-joining it with the HJC to gain subpoena powers. Dan clearly missed this post when doing his morning show prep. What’s worse, conservative voices like his are lending false credibility to the upcoming vote.

      • lolli says:

        Exactly, false credibility, and the deceptive R’s are helping them along.

      • Ken Lawson says:

        You said that Dan missed this post. How do you know he reads CTH?

        • Ken Maritch says:

          He references CTH frequently

        • steph_gray says:

          He does read here. He has cited and hat-tipped CTH many times.
          He doesn’t always agree with sundance, however. And most of the time Dan is the one who is wrong in such disagreements. I think sundance is more thorough.
          But he’s still worth listening to, for a fun, energetic show, and the way he often brings out certain angles and gives life to them with his delivery. Supports PDJT, so in my mind all are welcome!

          • GP says:

            Are u picking up what I’m puttin down Joe? DB aggregates everyone else’s research and reports it a his own. Not a fan.

      • Zippy says:

        “He’s got it all wrong” I agree.

  216. Bill Henslee says:

    Never doubt that the Left has lots of crafty lawyers who are willing to twist the processes of government if they think the ends justify the means.

    • Justin Green says:

      Guess they had to get that disgraceful lying traitor to wear (and dishonor) his uniform since the substance of his testimony will be complete, useless BS.

  217. jeans2nd says:

    Count it all joy, Sundance. There are too many moving parts and too many unknowns for any of us to control, and our faith is never in men. But you know that.
    Pres Trump has a few tricks and a bit more leverage up his sleeve. Too many to list, and others of which we know nothing.
    If you are aware of the Lawfare/Pelosi machinations, so are others in D.C.
    You’ve done your part. We will be doing ours. Now watch, listen, pray for wisdom. It will come.

  218. tozerbgood8315 says:

    Wouldn’t this be awesome BREAKING NEWS?
    https://i.imgflip.com/3eoz4o.jpg

    • American Heritage says:

      I would like to see some defensive maneuvering from the Republicans. Something, anything, some signs of life perhaps.

  219. CopperTop says:

    Sundance: Been on vacation. Defeating lawfare: POTUS convenes an executive session then the Senate begins a closed Session, then the VPOTUS who constitutionally holds the duty as president of the senate to make rulings on changes to rules, changes the rules in the Senate. (potentially See July 3 recall of Pence…was this already done?)
    Senate Rules on Closed Sessions
    XXI
    On a motion made and seconded to close the doors of the Senate, on the discussion of any business which may, in the opinion of a Senator, require secrecy, the Presiding Officer shall direct the galleries to be cleared; and during the discussion of such motion the doors shall remain closed
    XXIX
    When the President of the United States shall meet the Senate in the Senate Chamber for the consideration of Executive business, he shall have a seat on the right of the Presiding Officer. When the Senate shall be convened by the President of the United States to any other place, the Presiding Officer of the Senate and the Senators shall attend at the place appointed, with the necessary officers of the Senate.
    HISTORICAL Senate Closed Sessions.
    Closed Session DONE BEFORE for something other than a nomination, impeachment or treaty?
    The Plame affair and the Bush administration’s role in pre-Iraq War intelligence (during debate on Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1995)
    https://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/01/politics/democrats-force-senate-into-closed-session-over-iraq-data.html
    So is there a potential for the Executive to get Senate in Closed Session to change the rules???
    Potential problem: can VPOTUS rule be binding without senate vote. Don’t see a prohibition but don’t see every check box either from strict text of the Branch powers in the Constitution.

    • CopperTop says:

      PS: Rule changes I’m referring to are the ones about how the Senate proceeds in going to trial. One of the ways those rules can snuff the Dems are the date the trial may be set.

  220. Thomas Holsinger says:

    If the resolution does not state that it involves the House’s impeachment power, it doesn’t, and executive privilege cannot be breached. Nor can the secrecy of Mueller grand jury transcripts. I.e., the resolution is only public relations.

  221. Luckstone says:

    So, if I understand everything correctly, the Democrats along with the help of Judge Howell, will just deem the vote on impeachment passed without a single vote like they deemed ObamaCare passed?

  222. Beware the “yet” tell for biased reporting. Example: There is absolutely no evidence Adam Schiff is a Russian asset…yet.— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) October 28, 2019

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  223. 1 Observer says:

    Ristvan, I’ve been lurking here for sometime now and have learned a
    ton from you and many many other great posters. And then there’s
    Sundance God Bless him.
    But I have an, IMHO, very serious concern. People are constantly
    saying on this site, and many of the other non TDS sites that “2/3” of
    the Senate, apparently construed as 66 votes, is required to convict.
    But from my reading, that is simply not true. Now maybe I have missed
    a post or a comment rectifying this very serious and germane
    difference, but I have been reading for months and I don’t miss much.
    And maybe my source i.e. Senate.gov is incorrect and I should be
    reading the actual Constitution or maybe my comprehension of the
    relevant Articles and Sections is incorrect but…
    Article 1, section 3:
    The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When
    sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When
    the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall
    preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of
    two thirds of the Members present.
    Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to
    removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office
    of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party
    convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment,
    Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
    Article 2, Section 4:
    The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United
    States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and
    Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and
    Misdemeanors.
    https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm
    Clearly, “…no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two
    thirds of the MEMBERS PRESENT. Ergo, all that is needed is a few
    already apparent Rinos, and a few more “unable to be present”, and the
    game is over. Hope I’m wrong on this. Otherwise, when judgement day
    arrives, there’s going to be some kind of incident, the plane that has
    ten senators on a junket has a technical failure, there’s a huge
    snowstorm and and they call a hasty vote, anything, and our last hope
    at a real democracy is over.
    One more thing, assume my interpretation is wrong, many comments
    suggest that there’s no way Republicans will vote to impeach because
    they run the very real risk of being out of office. But considering
    what we now know, about how truly deep and rancid the corruption flows
    in politics, if the choice comes down to being out, but with a golden
    pension, or in, as in prison, which option would you take?
    First Post
    1observer

  224. 1 Observer says:

    Apologies, posted last week but now I see above another poster, CM-TX has provided a link re: this issue.

  225. Doppler says:

    I think the logical fault line on which the President has lured his enemies into choosing as the ground on which to fight the decisive battle is this: while he, Barr, Durham, white hats are investigating past crimes, the Democrats/MSM characterize it as seeking help from foreign governments in attacking his 2020 election opponents for election advantage.
    When the indictments hit, and the flippers flip, and the depth of corruption is exposed, ALL government action in calling that corruption to account will be fully vindicated, including the President’s.
    The Dems then can say, “You exposed Biden’s long and deep history of corruption, while he was running for President, NO FAIR.” And the President can say: “You used the intelligence and law enforcement resources to illegally spy on my campaign, build a phony Trump-Russia collusion narrative to deflect from the corruption exposed in HRC’s and DNC’s and Podesta’s emails, and when she lost, repurposed the whole thing to entrap and railroad my associates, hamstring my first term with the Mueller investigation based on false pretenses, and now that the guilty parties are being held to account, to impeach me before my landslide washes all of you away.”

  226. letty bromenschenkel says:

    YOU have access to POTUS and GOP congressmen
    why won’t you advise them?
    we get “busy” signals when we call.
    and when we connect: we are not sophisticated enough to tell them
    in 1 minute the peril they are in.
    thank you

  227. 335blues says:

    A ruling by a DC circuit court judge will not allow the congress (H of R) to violate
    the Constitutional separation of powers. Beryl Butthead doesn’t have the power to
    force the President to engage in unConstitutional actions.
    Trump will say no, and there isn’t a damn thing the communist democrat party can do about it,
    except appeal to the court which is what the republicans are doing.

  228. sarasotosfan says:

    The Republicans had better be prepared to go into hiding while the courts work through the mess that Howell and others in the Judiciary are intent on creating.
    They need to be prepared to prevent a quorum until the waves of justice hit the Democrat beaches.

  229. sarasotosfan says:

    The Republicans had better be prepared to go into hiding while the courts work through the mess that Howell and others in the Judiciary are intent on creating.
    They need to be prepared to prevent a quorum until the waves of justice hit the Democrat beaches.

  230. Jaap Titulaer says:

    @SD text has been released.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-democrats-release-text-thursday-impeachment-resolution
    Does not look very good, IMHO.

    It also allows the GOP to “question witnesses for equal specified periods of longer than five minutes” for up to 90-minute sessions. Still, Democrats will be able to deny witnesses. If that happens,
    “…the ranking minority member may submit to the chair, in writing, any requests for witness testimony relevant to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution within 72 hours after notice is given for the first hearing.”
    It also allows Republicans to subpoena witnesses and materials related to their inquiries – which Democrats have the right to decline. If that happens, Republicans can appeal to the committee to hold a vote – which should be predictable given Democratic control of the House.
    So, while this diminishes Republican claims that they are being denied due process, Democrats will ultimately control who testifies, and what can be subpoenaed.
    Furthermore, “The chair is authorized to make publicly available in electronic form the transcripts of depositions conducted by the Permanent Select Committee,” which is no guarantee that will happen.

  231. Justin Green says:

    Substance over form would seem to have some impact here.
    The substance of this entire set of legal maneuvers is an impeachment investigation.
    The form is the convoluted “impeachment-inquiry-that’s-not-an-impeachment-investigation”.
    Seems Trump and Co. could just continue to give her the middle finger on her idiotic requests.

  232. Jaap Titulaer says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/new-poll-poses-serious-questions-about-dem-impeachment-drive

    Thirty-six percent of those polled said the House should vote to impeach, 22% said the House should continue investigation but not impeach, and 37% said the House should drop its investigations. The last 5% did not have an answer or refused to give one.
    Looking inside the results, there are some major differences based on party, gender, race, and more.
    Seventy percent of Democrats said the House should vote to impeach, while just 8% of Republicans and 22% of independents favored an impeachment vote.
    Twenty-one percent of Democrats favored more investigation but not impeachment, while 15% of Republicans and 34% of independents agreed.
    And just 8% of Democrats favored dropping the House investigations altogether, while 71% of Republicans and 36% of independents favored the no-more-investigations option.

    This also tells me the earlier Ipsos/Reuters poll has some serious issues, apart from a much too Independent sample size (less than 200, and much less than the circa 40% of total).

  233. Dan says:

    Why now? Because the HJC just won a legal ruling from DC Judge Beryl Howell granting the Judiciary Committee formal impeachment authority. {Go Deep}
    Can a DC judge decide who has this authority that’s laid out in the Constitution?

  234. gz9gjg says:

    I read the arguments that the House has not created judicial authority in the current “impeachment inquiry” (as of 10/29/2019).
    I would like to understand what is the basis or precedent or court ruling, that states / requires the full House must approve the “impeachment inquiry” in order to (1) create judicial authority over the Executive branch, enabling the committee running the impeachment inquiry / investigation, to issue enforceable subpoenas; (2) sets out rules and procedures under which the investigation will be conducted, including participation by the minority and the rights of the accused to be represented at depositions, etc; and appeal procedures.
    I don’t question sundance’s explanation; I would simply like to better understand.

    • pocaMAGAjunta says:

      The short answer is there are no precedents for this BS. And it’s being set up in a way that if you try to explain it logically, you sound like an idiot.

    • Maria says:

      Article 1, Section 5 of the Constitution says, in part
      …and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business… (talking about the House and Senate here)
      From dictionary.com
      Quorum: the number of members of a group or organization required to be present to transact business legally, usually a majority.
      I hope that helps.

  235. John Gallo says:

    I’ll take your Lawfare and raise you one Judicial Watch!!!

  236. plane of the ecliptic says:

    Roy Blunt wants to do the same thing as the Dems, just more by traditional impeachment rules. His argument is just over process.

  237. Randolph Scott says:

    I hope that someday soon I either read or hear of the demise of the bltch known as Pelosi.

  238. Terry says:

    Can the Senate issue a proclamation, or resolution, by any method, that the
    “Impeachment clock”, will start when the House votes to Authorize an Impeachment Resolution in accordance with Constitutional practices and procedures. Therefore the Senate will not hear any information that was presented or acquired by any means in the House prior to the authorization of the “House Impeachment Resolution”.

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