It's Deja-Vu All Over Again – The Ukraine Effort is Simply "Obstruction 2.0"…

[Background] As I’m wiping down the white-board to outline the corrupt purposes, intents and connections, suddenly it becomes obvious. The Ukraine story is Obstruction 2.0.

To assemble a quick elevator explanation of the Muh Russia obstruction construction, and to better understand the end goal of the political objective which encompassed the use of the FISA court, CTH previously said:

To get impeachment, they needed obstruction. To get obstruction, they needed an investigation. To get the investigation, they needed evidence. To change dossier from oppo-research to evidence they needed a FISA. To get a FISA they needed a target. The target was Carter Page.

While assembling the more recent deployment of Adam Schiff’s Ukraine story, I recognize something familiar:

To get impeachment Schiff needs obstruction.  To get obstruction, Schiff needs an investigation.  To get an investigation Schiff needs evidence.  To change political innuendo into evidence, Schiff needs a ‘whistle-blower’.  To use a ‘whistle-blower’ they need a report… And guess where we are?

In the 2016/2017 Muh Russia operation we notice the same general cast of characters were involved.  •Embeds in the intelligence apparatus; •Lawfare allies -inside and outside government- constructing the narrative for media absorption and distribution; and •politicians working to utilize their constructs.

Now, remember, the Lawfare Alliance is quite smart, they purposefully use the intelligence apparatus as part of the constructed narrative because the intelligence aspect itself can act as a shield.
You might remember when Adam Schiff was making claims in 2017 about the ‘highly classified’ FISA application used against Carter Page?
As the HPSCI ranking member Adam Schiff was saying in 2017 the ‘Steele Dossier’ was not the structural evidence underlying the application (it was).  However, Schiff knew: (A) the application was hidden by its classified status; and (B) if the application did ever become public in 2018, his allied media would never hold him accountable for the 2017 lies.
When the FISA application was ultimately released, albeit in redacted form (Aug ’18), the Steele Dossier was the structural underpinning for it; yet Adam Schiff was never held accountable for the fraudulent content in the House Minority Intelligence Report.
Fast forward to 2019 and overlay this Trump/Ukraine story and what you will immediately notice is an almost identical deployment of the same playbook.

♦Obstruction 1.0 (2016 original version): Source for Obstruction narrative, Chris Steele.
♦Obstruction 2.0 (2019 Ukraine version): Source for Obstruction narrative, an unnamed “Whistle-Blower”.

♦Obstruction 1.0: Tool for Obstruction narrative, Steele Dossier.
♦Obstruction 2.0: Tool for Obstruction narrative, Whistle-Blower Complaint.

♦Obstruction 1.0: The impediment to Obstruction narrative advancement (a needed special counsel) was AG Jeff Sessions.  Solution was to force recusal.
♦Obstruction 2.0: The impediment to Obstruction narrative advancement is current Acting DNI Joseph McGuire.  Solution ongoing, hence call him before HPSCI.

[IMHO The House Intelligence Committee will likely attempt some recusal process against Joseph McGuire.  Also, if you accept this Ukraine angle was planned to roll-out, it is almost certain to explain why Schiff and the Democrats were desperately demanding the appointment of Sue Gordon.  They’ve had this operation in the works for weeks.]

♦Obstruction 1.0: narrative exploitation needed a Special Counsel investigation.
♦Obstruction 2.0: narrative exploitation now needs HPSCI investigation.

It doesn’t matter that the underlying premise is false. What matters is the ability of Schiff and team -including media- to create the illusion of possibility within their premise:

♦Obstruction 1.0: Obstruction narrative needed the premise Trump worked with the Russians etc.
♦Obstruction 2.0: Obstruction narrative needs the premise Trump worked with (pressured) the Ukranians.

Once Schiff/Lawfare create the premise and cement a false narrative; then all efforts shift to taking aggressive measures to bait President Trump into taking action that would lead to the charge of obstruction:

♦Obstruction 1.0: Obstruction narrative mostly based on Trump firing James Comey.
♦Obstruction 2.0: Obstruction narrative will advance by baiting Trump to remove Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG).

It should be emphasized the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community; the guy who accepted the ridiculous premise of a hearsay ‘whistle-blower‘ complaint, who was “blowing-the-whistle” based on second hand information of a phone call without any direct personal knowledge, is Michael K. Atkinson.
Atkinson’s self-interest:  Michael K Atkinson was previously the Senior Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General of the National Security Division of the Department of Justice (DOJ-NSD). That makes Atkinson senior legal counsel to John Carlin and Mary McCord who were former heads of the DOJ-NSD in 2016 when the stop Trump operation was underway.
[Irony Reminder: The DOJ-NSD was purposefully under no IG oversight. In 2015 the OIG requested oversight and it was Sally Yates who responded with a lengthy 58 page legal explanation saying, essentially, ‘nope – not allowed.’ (PDF HERE) All of the DOJ is subject to oversight, except the NSD.]
Put another way, Michael Atkinson was the lawyer for the same DOJ-NSD players who: (1) lied to the FISA court (Judge Rosemary Collyer) about the 80% non compliant NSA database abuse using FBI contractors; (2) filed the FISA application against Carter Page; and (3) used FARA violations as tools for political surveillance and political targeting.
Yes, that means Michael Atkinson was Senior Counsel for the DOJ-NSD, at the very epicenter of the political weaponization and FISA abuse.
Immediately after the Carter Page FISA warrant is approved, in the period where DOJ-NSD head John Carlin has given his notice of intent to leave but not yet left, inside those specific two weeks, the National Security Division of the DOJ tells the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) they have been breaking the law.  The NSD specifically inform the court they are aware of contractors who have been using FISA 702(16)(17) database search queries to extract information on political candidates.
DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz has looked into the FISA application used against U.S. Person Carter Page.  Additionally, U.S. Attorney John Durham is said to be looking at the intelligence communities’ use of systems for spying and surveillance.
If the DOJ-NSD exploitation of the NSA database, and/or DOJ-NSD FISA abuse, and/or DOJ-NSD FARA corruption were ever to reach sunlight, Atkinson -as the lawyer for the process- would be under a lot of scrutiny for his involvement.
Yes, that gives current ICIG Michael Atkinson a strong and corrupt motive to participate with the Schiff/Lawfare impeachment objective.
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If you stand back and look at the big picture, what becomes visible is the purpose for this 2019 Adam Schiff Ukraine Whistle-blower narrative to create the same situation previously used in 2016/2017 to generate Trump impeachment by obstruction.

It is an almost identical playbook.
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468 Responses to It's Deja-Vu All Over Again – The Ukraine Effort is Simply "Obstruction 2.0"…

  1. pucecatt says:

    My thoughts exactly , they have now begun foreign interference 2.0 .. it is shameful and another goal of theirs is to hamstring our President from having PRIVATE conversations with other foreign leaders .. this just makes me sick ..

    • J.Thomas says:

      I think that this is the Democrats’ way to make the call public, to disclose the thinking of Ukranian prosecutors so that everyone can get their stories straight and prepare.

      • bertdilbert says:

        I think the democrats have to bomb Biden fast so when he drops out he is not the “democrat frontrunner”. Biden’s video confession looks to me to be enough evidence to torpedo him. Obama is probably packing his emergency flight bag….

        • tucker7518 says:

          The whistleblower is getting rid of Biden.

          • Bill Durham says:

            These beta cucks don’t realize the story has no tractIon. Trump talked to Ukraine about Biden doing corrupt sh1t . And the problem? Obama talked to everyone about Trump.

          • Raptors2020 says:

            No. They’re actually trying to protect Biden. The Democrats always accuse you of what they’re guilty of doing. But Sundance is brilliant: it’s Obstruction 2.0. The Intelligence Inspector General deserves to be fired for treating a rumor-monger as a whistle-blower (more Mamet Rule – playing stupid?) ; but if Trump fires him, it’s obstruction: grounds to impeach.

            • ?Gunny66 says:

              The President should get rid of Barr now…..before any investigation is started.
              Or else, Barr is in it for the long haul….just like Sessions was….doing nothing….and if fired during an investigation…….Obstruction….
              Question: Would any of the above not hold true?…….
              I’m not a lawyer, but pretend to be one on TV.

              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                The President should get rid of Barr now…Or else, Barr is in it for the long haul….just like Sessions was….doing nothing….
                Gunny…
                Understand your frustration…..but there is literally no proof that any of this is true.
                If Barr’s goal was indeed to do nothing..
                Why did he shut down Mueller, instead of letting him keep collecting “obstruction” episodes
                and whatever else
                with a bagpipe accompaniment?
                He even could be adding this latest Ukrainian thing to Mueller’s mandate.
                Check that:
                RR had already given Mueller Ukrainian mandate in his AUG 2 scope memo.

                • ?Gunny66 says:

                  Krashman,
                  Thanks…..you are correct….just do not want two more years of this stuff….
                  But, to me Barr still has not been up against the wall…I.E. Choice…..
                  Barr and his institution or……..the rule of law…
                  We will see….
                  Thanks again for your post..

                  • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                    I always enjoy your input Gunny
                    and mean no disrespect.
                    IMO there were certain things already in motion before Barr that have to be allowed to resolve
                    The SCO was one.
                    The Mueller Report/testimony was another.
                    The last is the FISA Abuse report…..an investigation that was ongoing and Barr had no part in initiating.
                    IOW: He’s clean on this.
                    We have become tainted- particularly over the last 3 years-by what “investigations” look like.
                    Bombshells, Leaks, & Unmaskings
                    ARE NOT HOW THEY ARE DONE.
                    Silence is.
                    What we have been subjected to is
                    how FAKE ones are done.
                    And now we are filling that uncomfortable silence with our anxieties and past experiences.
                    Barr requested DECLASS authority and appointed his own Special Counsel outside of DC.
                    Yes we can interpret that as a FIXER operation
                    but
                    we can equally interpret that as a SWAMP workaround.
                    And actually if I was trying to clean this up and hold people accountable
                    I can’t think of a better way to do it.
                    Can you?
                    If Barr randomly declassifed documents and released them out in the wild…..
                    on their own
                    where they will simply be dispatched with….like Nunes Memo was.
                    I would be much more concerned.
                    I can wait another month to find out.

            • distracted2 says:

              But the unintended consequences – or, for some, the intended consequences – will take Biden out of the race. Either way, it’s a boomerang headed right for Biden.

      • I think this is also intimidation of the new Ukraine President.

    • bertdilbert says:

      I don’t see how this becomes obstruction. The President has no reason to obstruct exposure of Biden. It was a legit phone call with Ukraine. The public might have had reason to believe the Russian story.
      Secondly, any time the press brings it up, Trump will just beat Biden and Obama over and over. This story has no traction potential.

  2. Nigella says:

    And I expect this to turn out just as well as Russia,Russia, Russia…

    • Republicanvet91 says:

      I expect things will turn out to be a flop much faster than the Muh Russia! hoax.
      The swamp in the DOJ would have to convince Barr to recuse, with someone recommending another Special Counsel.

      • Sherri Young says:

        Barr will not recuse. No way. Unless he has a true conflict such as having represented the nation of Ukraine at some point.

        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Sherri it’s not Barr recusal they’re after….
          it’s Trump’s Acting DNI, who didn’t pass on the the whistleblower allegation.
          With Coats/Gordon gone they’ve somewhat lost control of ODNI.
          (Re: John Ratcliffe)

          • Sherri Young says:

            Agreed. Barr is not the whole enchilada, but I was replying to a comment about making Barr recuse.
            The ODNI truly is a great big deal. Atkinson has the pedigree of someone problematic.
            People keep expecting a sudden draining of the swamp. The process actually has been more akin to skimming off the scum. Atkinson now has gained attention.
            IMO, one more person at the FBI who needs a light shown on her is Sally Moyer. She must not be SES. Apparently there is a common practice at DOJ/FBI of not revealing the names of non-SES individuals. I think IG Horowitz even mentioned such in the hearing last week. Since she is un-named, she dwells right below the surface where she is not noticed.

            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              Atkinson has the pedigree of someone problematic.
              So who recommended his appointment?
              It’s truly amazing the secret passages in the Swamp that can allow Atkinson to slither directly from his job at DOJ-NSD to the IG for the entire IC.
              Or Dana Boente’s movements for that matter

      • I think what most are NOT realizing is the following:
        1. Every time one of these cretins raises it’s swamp head it LEADS back to DOJ
        2. DOJ is the epicenter of all of the collusion
        3. Once the above is accepted then, and only then, the SSCI becomes more in-focus
        4. WHO ON THE SSCI IS DOING THE DIRECTING? Remember: there always has to be a director(s)…
        5. Schiff is up to his eyeballs in this and there is no way out for him!!!
        Ergo: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/
        Reminder: When all of this started, Sundance pointed out that this lively bunch of cretins and nothing has changed!!!!

        • ?Gunny66 says:

          Eagledriver,
          Agree completely..
          The DOJ has always had the Mantra of:
          Presidents come and go, but “We”…will still be here when they are gone and must maintain a steady course……Pfffft
          That being….”Control”….The DOJ is so infected with “sycophancy” that “anyone” who has worked there is infected.
          As I stated above, the President should fire Barr now….before any investigation begins…or once started …or Barr recuses…he is stuck with him….
          Of course the problem with that being, getting another AG approved by the Senate and who would be in charge if Barr is fired.
          So, this is the true test for Barr. Is he loyal to the President or to his “institution?”
          I.E. “President’s come and go”
          Rudy, Stephen Miller, hell…put Rick Perry in for AG….
          But…again….I am not a lawyer…….but can smell BS from very far away….
          Oh yeah….
          Sundance….
          Good work….push this one hard…..get it out there so we get solid “voices” and outrage on them starting this crap again…
          Thanks

          • Dixie says:

            Gunny, The deadliest words I ever heard….”Don’t start this again.” Depending on one’s perspective, strikes fear in the heart and a fire in the belly.
            …….And Sundance is a genius.

      • distracted2 says:

        Yes, especially because the so-called whistleblower isn’t a whistleblower at all. This person evidently wasn’t even involved so is not covered under the whistleblower protections. It wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out this person is Blasey-Ford 2.0 – in other words, a complete fraud.
        Schiff has cried wolf one too many times so no one is paying attention to him.
        And if Biden wants to remain in the presidential race, some very powerful people are going to want this to just go away sooner rather than later.
        I give it to the end of the week, at the latest.

  3. jrapdx says:

    So are we to assume President Trump—who is the target of Schiff’s delusions—has no idea what Schiffy is up to and is incapable of mounting a defense? How many times have we been at such a juncture? More than a few, yet the President has managed to prevail. What prevents that from happening again? I have been impressed with the outcomes as his opponents have rather consistently underestimated his resources and resourcefulness. On that basis I’d predict he’ll prevail this time as well, but I suppose nothing’s guaranteed. We’ll just have to see what happens.

    • swimeasy says:

      If obstruction 1.0 was going so well, why would they need to even start an obstruction 2.0. So go ahead, run the same playbook and hope for a different result.

      • jrapdx says:

        Yup, that’s what it sure sounds like. A big difference is the absence of an SC to exude drama and threat. And I bet no one is going to take the bait to “recuse” themselves this time around.

        • suejeanne1 says:

          Is Schiff also hoping to distract from the Ed Buck drama? Schiff always looks so nervous.

          • jrapdx says:

            Could be though likely enough Buck will soon be off the front pages. Though Schiff should be nervous, after all, constantly trying to put one over on the voters, sooner or later it’s doomed to backfire.

    • old45model says:

      There is always the possibility that Schiff has done some naughty things in the past – and there is always the possibility that the President is fully aware of such nefarious activities – so it wouldn’t surprise me greatly if, one fine day, Schiff were suddenly to be in the ‘news’.

    • carterzest says:

      JRA, waiting is fun….
      😉

  4. MM says:

    The picture of AG Barr Sundance posted with this story cracks me up…

    • Yeah, because it’s just so god damned funny that we have no representation and an evil group of corrupt globalist tools interfering in MAGA while Barr bagpipes rather than declass.
      Hilarious.
      SMH

      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        What the hell good would a declass do on it’s own without an accompanying criminal indictment?
        There is literally a video of Joe Biden BRAGGING about bribing the Ukranian President.
        Rudy Guiliani listed the extensive nature of the EVIDENCE he has collected and how big this all is. (Oh and I’m sure he hasn’t bothered to turn that over to Barr and Durham)/s
        And all the media/Dems/RINOs want to talk about is
        Trump colluding with Ukranians to get “dirt” on his political rivals.
        Can someone please FOR ONCE explain how randomly declassifying documents
        THAT WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY’LL SHOW and have for over a year
        will somehow get some magical new result?
        If the answer is just so we here can all say “See….I TOLD YOU SO!”
        That’s not good enough.
        Unless someone can specifically explain how this will benefit Trump…..or ANYONE….
        it seems it’s just
        pissin in a hurricane to me.
        I don’t give 2 sh*ts about Barr’s damn bagpipes…..
        he can pipe away all he wants…….as long as it’s a Scottish Battle tune and
        followed by real results.
        And if he doesn’t give it to us…….then we’ll see what POTUS does.
        I’m sorry but this “Barr is doing nothing” meme is no different than the
        MSM telling us for 2 years that impeachment was inevitable.
        And is indication of
        How well we’ve been trained.

    • Michael Kunz says:

      Certainly starting to appear to be all wind and bagpipes.Hope I’m wrong.

    • Doppler says:

      ?????????

    • Bagpipes billy. Sheesh. AG is a joke.

    • ms doodlebug says:

      I see nothing cute or funny about it. It’s a derogatory pictorial judgment. I don’t like it. Considering that all the reports are not out and investigations are ongoing, it’s a bit premature to jump to conclusions.

      • jonhabart says:

        My thoughts exactly.
        I really don’t understand why Attorney General William Barr has be the target of so much vitriol and accusations of being a do-nothing swamp-guardian.
        Barr stood up strong on the Mueller Report, resisted several attempts by the left to misrepresent the findings of the investigation and forced corrective press statements when false assertions and ambiguous statements were made.
        He has initiated several investigations and appointed serious investigators to lead them.
        Every speech, interview, and other public comments have been consistent with his stated objectives and those of President Trump.
        Aside from the small minority of voices on the right who have maintained a state of heightened anxiety and frustration for the past 1-2 years because of the perception that zero action has been taken to hold the corrupt DOJ, FBI, & IC officials, that still remain at the center and subject of ongoing investigations, along with members of the Obama Administration accountable for their many subversive and destructive actions against the American people, our government institutions, the Constitution and our nation as a whole.
        I just can’t wrap my head around some of the comments coming from these people. Even in this comment section we have people buying into the many memes that Sundance has created by saying things like:
        “Yeah, because it’s just so god damned funny that we have no representation and an evil group of corrupt globalist tools interfering in MAGA while Barr bagpipes rather than declass.
        Hilarious.
        SMH”
        There are no facts that support this opinion, only the portrayal of a persistent caricature propagated thru the use of petty and snarky memes fueled by the inability of some to control their emotions.
        Until there is sound reason to believe otherwise I’m going to have to agree with Congressman Jim Jordan and “Thank God for Bill Barr”
        https://youtu.be/iL7mce-y3-s?t=2222

        • ms doodlebug says:

          Even CTH gets trolled and some seem to be of the ‘pacifer generation’ where a pacifier was stuck in their mouth for immediate gratification when they cried. It seems anyone with common sense would know this is not something that can be documented and exposed overnight.
          (Thanks for the thoughtful and sensible response. It helps restore my confidence that common sense is still ‘a thing’.)

      • railer says:

        Of course it’s derogatory. Barr is Deep State and a pure Swamp creature, of the Bushie tribe. He’s done nothing of consequence, besides fulfill his agreement to get rid of Mueller, without which Trump would never have nominated him for the AG job. Now he and the Swamp are angling for another special prosecutor to be appointed. Watch.

      • HB says:

        When will maturity be? 10 more years? If he doesn’t like to be made fun, then he can either grow thicker skin, or get the ball rolling.

        • ms doodlebug says:

          I’ve wondered the same thing about democrats. When are they going to grow up and face the reality that PDJT is the best President we’ve had in decades?
          Congress is the least respected branch of our government with the lowest job approval rating for a reason. They’re like toddlers throwing a temper tantrum because they didn’t get what thy wanted.

      • madeline says:

        I think that’s the point doodlebug. “Considering that all the reports are not out and investigations are ongoing,… I’m not sure what a doodlebug is but it might even be a good caption for the Barr picture.

        • ms doodlebug says:

          The ‘reporting’ is that Mueller wasted $30-40 million and well over two years total (including the FBI investigation he took over) investigating PDJT – to find nothing.
          A doodlebug can be whatever you want it to be, a bug, a comedy drama, or something that goes boom. As the old folks say, it can be whatever trips your trigger.

  5. Genie says:

    PDJT, like the Roadrunner, knows how to step around Wile E. Coyote’s ACME traps by now.

    • It would be nice if this were a trap set by the Roadrunner…

      • Blind no longer says:

        Yes it is a very real possibility! If this is all second hand hear say information, that still means this faux whistle blower had to get their information from someone in the intelligence service who was listening to President Trump’s phone call and discussed/leaked/plotted to get this to Schitt for brains.
        Boomerang headed your way Mr. ICIG…it won’t be pretty either.

      • tozerbgood8315 says:

        This was my thought as well, especially after seeing that whistle blower report based on hearsay, and Ukrainian Gov’t backs up Trump’s version of events.
        Hypothetical:
        What if the WH knew about the anti-Trump sentiments of this person (that is currently known as the “Whistle Blower”), and had someone leak to this person about Trump’s phone call… and then encourage speculation with that person about the possibility of Trump making “promises”. And that person filed a whistle blower complaint, just as the WH expected.
        And the left fell right into the trap.
        Pure diabolical speculation of course… LOL

        • livefreeordieguy says:

          That’s a “canary trap” which I’m told is a method used to “out” leakers… Seems unlikely in this case because of the “obstruction” roadmap Sundance has laid out, but it would be nice…

  6. Tiffthis says:

    WTH? This really needs to stop- America hates this type of BS- VSGPDJT needs not answer any press questions on any international phone calls- it’s always a trap

    • The Devilbat says:

      Beep beep!!!

    • Yep, something’s got to give, I don’t see how we can handle 3 moar years of globalist corruptocrat/rino interference while enemedia spreads the bullsh!t narrative that President Trump is a “criminal” occupying the White House.
      It’s definitely Twilight Zone living in America right now.
      Full faith in our VSG President though, not going to “worry”, it does nothing productive!
      I’ll join anyone in being sick of it though, because I damn sure am.

    • Raptors2020 says:

      The bureaucracy is packed with Democrat spies: the Resistance.
      Another feature of the Russian Collusion hoax was the whispering campaign within the new media throughout the fall of 2016. They all knew it was coming, including Never-Trumper Kristoll. Have there been hints the last few weeks? Did anybody see them, can anybody find them?
      They have to hit the ground running with their propaganda campaigns: the volume compensates for the poor quality of the evidence.

    • Bubby says:

      Tiffthis exactly! If the conversation is released it doesn’t matter what President Trump said in it at all it will be twisted and used as evidence supporting the msm narrative! Just like when he joked about asking Russia for Hillary’s emails that is still being used as evidence of his collusion with Russians. These Democrats and msm are lunatics totally unhinged! Godspeed President Trump!

      • Tiffthis says:

        I hope he doesn’t release his convo- then he will be asked to waive executive privilege all the time and if he doesn’t it will be called obstruction

  7. A2 says:

    ‘the first concrete evidence of “warpipes” being used in their traditional role on the battlefield comes from writings about the Battle of North Inch in 1396. This early association with the military has always stayed with the bagpipes; their penetrating notes were used to unsettle the enemy, and communicate with allies’
    ??

    • Well hell’s bells let’s pray that his bagpiping signified just that.
      If not, President Trump’s got some serious work to do ahead of him on top of all the other normal and usual business. At last President Trump can handle it.
      Barr, not so sure at all, especially with his tarnished bushie past.

    • jim says:

      “communicate with allies” Like from one Scot to another?
      https://youtu.be/ygNuRpwZqRU?t=18

    • mark says:

      Thanks A2, hopefully the AG Bill Barr playing the bag pipes was his signal that he was about to enter the battle for righting the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Be safe praying for you.

  8. Bogeyfree says:

    How is AG Barr not totally embarrassed and outraged by all of this?
    We have……..
    An unsecured server with thousands of government emails
    Destroying of government emails
    Destroying of government issued property
    Thousands of government emails found on a civilian laptop
    A known bogus Dossier
    A Dossier feed purposely backdoor into the government
    A bogus Dossier used to secure multiple FISA warrants
    A audit which finds 85% of FISA warrants in a 6 month period are not compliant
    A bias group of investigators
    Lost investigative evidence
    A hacked DNC server that isn’t confiscated or tested via government forensics
    Massive government leaking to the media
    Alleged foreign agents who were known western agents all along
    Framing and setting up individuals within the administration
    a Uranium 1 Whistleblower no one seems to talks with
    And now this – Attempt at frame job #2
    All for the single purpose IMO to cause INTENDED harm to a sitting President of the United States.
    How much of this crap do the American people have to stomach until the rule of law for all is upheld?
    How much more BS is it going to take to see some action by those sworn to uphold the laws of this land?

    • Julian says:

      Have some patience man. Barr has only been in there for six months or so you know.

      • farrier105 says:

        At the average of 1.7 indictments every month, Mueller would have had 10.2 indictments in 6 months. We did get a couple of declinations on Comey and another 6 months of handwringing about what to do about Andrew McCabe for a grand total of 18 months of handwringing.
        I’m satisfied.
        The Comey declination followed the pattern of the Hillary “email” exoneration. The prosecutor hangs everything on the Espionage Act, a statute with which the Judiciary is not enamored and is not enforced strictly in civilian law the way it is in military law. Meanwhile, there were statutes under which Comey would have easily been:
        1. Indicted
        2. Convicted
        The trick: Use the wrong statute to determine the efficacy of a prosecution and hope nobody looks up a statute with elements that intersect with the facts of the case.

  9. So if the small group got RICO’d, then that would include Michael Atkinson, right? (My God why do we still have so many treasonous Obama-holdovers!!!!!)

    • Remington says:

      Cheer….one hell of a question. I constantly marvel at the depth of such in the swamp. It’s a bottomless pit that needs to be sorted. Way past time to break out the guillotine.

  10. IOENO says:

    I saw a different thread on here a while back WRT bagpipes, if you don’t learn history you are doomed to repeat it.
    Bagpipes – An Instrument of War?
    https://learn.dojouniversity.com/bagpipes-an-instrument-of-war/

    • California Joe says:

      Bagpipes at with the British Army for 250 years!
      https://youtu.be/N84Iq1PnEPQ

      • Michael Kunz says:

        As a Senior NCO, stationed in Belze, in the 70’s, we had the Britsh Forces Combined services together for a game of Soccer against the Belizean National team. The Massed pipes of the Argylll and Sutherlands introduced the match with ‘Dark Isle’. Don’t know what effect it had on the Belizeans, but Combined services won, 5-0. Certainly makes the hair on the back of your head stand up, stirring stuff, if you’re on the right side.

    • The Devilbat says:

      My grandfather fought in the British army in WWI (1914 – 1918). I remember as a small child his telling my parents that the Scottish battalions were feared by the Germans more than anything else. This was because the Scotts took no prisoners. They simply slaughtered all enemy combatants.
      Grandad said that one German prisoner he and his fellow English soldiers captured referred to the kilt wearing, bagpipe playing scotts as “the ladies from Hell” and went on to say that the German soldiers would be scared to death whenever they heard bagpipes.
      My grandfather was badly wounded at the battle of the Somme and received an honorable discharge in 1917. We still have his medals.

  11. Elric VIII says:

    If these Deep State and Lawfare machinations are visible to the general public (at least to those who are paying attention), what does that say about our federal justice system? And how can the citizenry ensure that the Justice Department is operating as it should, blind to partisanship and influence? The situation does not seem to be improving, and there are very few options left open.

  12. gda53 says:

    The difference being that there is an actual, real AG in charge of the DOJ now (who can actually play bagpipes, handle the scandal and rebuff Schiff, all with one hand tied behind his back) and not a Rosenstein. Hence you can go fly a kite Mr. Schiff.
    Incidentally, Rudy was incandescent on Fox today. John Roberts was unable to maintain his talking points narrative. . Not sure if what he said was new information, but it sure shut Roberts up.
    Surprised I have not seen that commented on here (I may have missed it)

  13. no-nonsense-nancy says:

    Different obstruction. same group of criminals. Wash, rinse, repeat.
    Thank you, SD, for another brilliant analysis.

  14. vikingmom says:

    Is it time for an Oval Office address from the President to the American Public explaining IN DETAIL the entire conspiracy? Could the networks be conned into carrying it with a false premise so that they couldn’t all go dark once it started? And could US Marshals or the US Military simultaneously be arresting the main plotters of the coup while the address is being telecast?

    • It could. But… do we really see the likes of that happening now, at this time? Going to have to trust President Trump on timing of anything of the sort… I reckon.
      I looked at Bogeyfree’s list above and thought of all the globalist warring going on against We The People to it in my mind as there isn’t enough bandwidth to write it all here… it’s immense in scope and evil in nature, from the fed to the extortion of our property that is used to finance the destruction of our nation, and our very lives, and back around to the insane act of “legalizing” the killing of the only innocent Americans to exist, in the womb.
      Term Two. It has to happen and there must be a severe Reckoning. I’m positive President Trump knows this and it is the reason he became President.
      The waiting is the hardest part.

  15. California Joe says:

    What’s is typical is IG Atkinson totally overlooks Vice President Biden shaking down Ukraine by extortion and threatening to withhold $1 billion in aide unless the prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden was fired. Atkinson was not outraged about that or the highest ranking officials in the DOJ, FBI and CIA using false evidence to obtain FISA warrants, unmasking hundreds of innocent Americans and attempting to frame the President of the United States and his family members for a crime he that not only didn’t commit but a crime that never even happened. Why isn’t IG Atkinson investigating any of that? President Trump should fire the guy immediately after the 2020 election along with two incompetents….Wray and Powell!

    • jx says:

      Biden’s corruption is so glaringly obvious it can’t be ignored. His bragging about bribing Ukraine with our money is now very well known. Atkinson’s nonfeasance might not stand the sunlight and he will be destroyed.

    • Bubby says:

      Cali Joe Amen! Now I know how so many in Congress become millionaires! Whenever our foreign aid/ loans whatever the Federal financial assistance is given someone in Congress or someone in their family connected to that legislation get a kick back from the receiving corrupt country. Corruption is the game being played. No different than Hillary’s pay to play but that idiot Joe Biden bragged about for all to hear! Congress/DC is totally corrupt!

  16. Wynston says:

    The deep state knows the best defense is offense. I’m so ready for the takedown.

  17. jus wundrin says:

    Hey dems, is protecting hilly and 0Bomba really worth it, or is the evidence of corruption and sick behavior that they have on you enough to fill a library?

  18. This is brilliant and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to keep up with everything, remember everything and diligently remind us of everything.

  19. The thing is, if someone isn’t held accountable soon, this will just continue. I mean, this is the crowd that implied Scalia’s death was a murder and they were not too upset.
    Podesta: “I didn’t think ‘wet-works’ meant pool parties in the vineyard.”

  20. Republicanvet91 says:

    “Yes, that means Michael Atkinson was Senior Counsel for the DOJ-NSD, at the very epicenter of the political weaponization and FISA abuse.”
    I’m sure Adam Schiffon is well aware of who the swamp rats are, who could be useful in various situations, and what could be used to encourage their participation.
    Let him have his little hearing. Our side would be able to ask some embarrassing questions.

  21. Conservative Foundations says:

    Unfortunately I think that there is going to only one way to drain and clean the swamp. The hard way. I

  22. The Boss says:

    I’ve been wondering all week.
    Who recommended Atkinson to Trump?
    Perhaps Sen. John McCain 2.0?

    • meow4me2 says:

      Boss, I’m thinking Atkinson was recommended by DNI Dan Coats based on the recommendation of his deputy Sue Gordon. I highly doubt the President would get involved in personnel appointments at that level. He’d be likely to accept the head guy’s recommendation.

  23. Revenant says:

    Consider also whether this is a means to force pressure on Barr NOT to declassify documents. (The declassification may be blown up into some kind of obstruction/intimidation of the Intelligence Community).

  24. Austin Holdout says:

    The cabal didn’t succeed with Obstruction 1.0 because the President was within his rights to fire Comey. It seems like he would be within his rights to fire Atkinson as well. If he found there was cause to fire Atkinson, doesn’t that make Atkinson potentially criminally liable and (with all of the inside info he has) a risk of revealing what he knows to avoid criminal liability. And firing Atkinson would eliminate a high ranking IC person with Obama loyalty who would no longer be able to monitor what’s going on in his neck of the IC for the cabal. And would open his position to a Trump loyalist.
    I’m just trying to think like an evil cabal member. Maybe they’ll try to keep the impeachment dream going on the basis of the contents of the phone call and if that doesn’t work, try to manufacture another obstruction scenario.

    • johnnyfandango says:

      At least the ”Resistance” hold overs are exposing themselves every day. The admin has to do something about it and hopefully they getting warrants on them, wiretapping them, seizing their hardware then either start charging these people or fire them.
      Regarding Biden. When Sally Yikes made such a big deal during her testimony about the Logan act with that smirk on her face and cutie southern drawl. Why isn’t the same issue hold true for Biden. Here he is assisting his son pad his bank account. A no talent addict who is getting 100’s of thousands maybe be Millions of dollars funneled to a bank account based on his fathers influence and threats. Don’t you think these Governments could black mail Biden based on these payments, well Sally Yikes? Why don’t you come out of hiding with that smirk and explain that.

  25. Trey Miller says:

    God called Donald Trump to the presidency, as he called Moses, Noah, and David to lead His people. Our Father is guiding him to restore our Christian nation. Have faith in Him and our president. God is in control & has His hands on President Trump.

  26. no-nonsense-nancy says:

    IOENO, thank you for the history lesson on bagpipes. It gives me a different perspective on AG Bill Barr. He can be the instrument to bring down the deep state plotters against PT of he wants to. Now when I see him in the pic playing the bagpipes I see him going to war against these evil doers. Is it just a coincidence that he plays them? God works in mysterious ways.

  27. Cam Heck says:

    So this is their best shot at Obstruction 2.0- as story that bring’s to light that Joe Biden held up the Ukraine to protect his prodigal son? Obviously, desperate times….

  28. Chieftain says:

    Perhaps his conflicts should cause Atkinson to be recused. The GOP ought to demand that, no? Perhaps call him before a hearing in the Senate to probe his conflicts.
    Just like the Democrats have demanded recusal, so should the GOP.

    • Dutchman says:

      Chieftain,
      Just my opinion, but REALLY?
      “The GOP ought to,..”
      The GOP is fully on board, and at the HEART of the sloppy soft coup attempt.
      They are behind the continueing cover up of the coup. Oherwise they would have hearing after hearing in the,Senate, and in the House would have supported Nunes, instead of running a trumped up ethics investigation, forcing him to step aside, putting cleaner Gowdy in charge, and the gift wrapping the gavel for Pelosi, and beating a hasty retreat out of town AND the limelight.
      UNIPARTY, and the entrance initiation is to be corrupt.

      • Redzone says:

        The Ukraine set up is an attempt to give CPR to the Impeachment narrative. Impeachment only happens if McConnell pulls the votes. McConnell continually demonstrates his power by having EVERY Rep Senator vote repeatedly to block PT from making recess appointments.
        Until something is done to remediate some of McConnell’s power, the Deep State will never stop.

        • Dutchman says:

          Agree, except; just as our Costitution has a ‘line of succession’, so does the Uniparty.
          There not STUPID, after all. Ryan leaves, McCarthy takes his place; same old wine/ brand new bottle.
          Guaranteed if McConnell were to drop dead tomorrow, his replacement is all ready to step in.
          Look at Harry Reid, as well. The whole leadership of both parties needs to be tarred with scandal, simultaneously, and forced to resign under a cloud of corruption, if not indictment.
          Actually, prosecuting the active coupists, with significant prison time would flip some, and they would name names.
          THAT could DO it, which is why there is so much pressure to protect the actives.
          So, that could be the ‘way to go’ after 2020.

  29. carterzest says:

    This #BYTHEBOOK BS is getting ? and all too predictable…

  30. redline says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but there’s another name I’m expecting to outgas its way to the surface of this particular honeybucket – David Laufman.
    He hasn’t yet directly broken the surface. Yet. But I bet he will.

  31. mtk says:

    All this may true in regards to Obstruction 2.0.
    However, IMHO the goal here to muck up the roll out of Horowitz FISA report, to such extent that after all is said and done, the Horowitz report won’t be worth the paper it was printed on.

    • Lester Smith says:

      Trump needs to do a joint release agreement with Ukraine president to release transcripts. A joint press conference with questions and answers. You are trying to use this as see know one can trust trump. He keeps records from us and blocks witnesses. The dems will play what’s he hiding BS. Trump needs to take them out fast. Let them call other world leaders liers. Their crazy Biden is just an old crooked fool.if Obama thinks he is safe he better think again. The libartards will take him out if it means taking control. These old dems think their are encharge, right the only thing their encharge of is maybe the keys to the bath room. It’s going to come down to old guard dems and socialist dems war. Nancy their coming for you better lay off the bottle. Trump will win but the country is being torn apart by all the dems and rinos crap. MIT Rongnee sure pulled his knife out fast p.o.s what a low life. Fox Weekend tool crew what a joke. John Roberts what you did replacing Mr peebody was the final straw. OAN see you tomorrow fox maybe at prime time. Fox day time are sell outs.

  32. US says:

    This is a weak line of attack because the übercorrupt country of The Ukraine used the CIA/DoS Maidan Revolution money to purchase a US war against Russia so the precious Ukrainian Catholics did not s
    Pend their own blood fighting the Orthodox Christians of the Donbas and Crimea. I was all brewed at the Ukrainian Embassy in DC by Alexandra Chalupa, a Hillary Ukrainian agent. No more help for Ukrainian plotters that thought nothing of bringing down Paul Manafort who was our campaign manager. Ukraine should be rewarded by being placed under the protection of Germany and France. Not our problem except for what they did during the 2016 election.

  33. geoffcsaltine says:

    Immediately after the Carter Page FISA warrant is approved,… in the period where DOJ-NSD head John Carlin has given his notice of intent to leave, but not yet left… Inside those specific two weeks, the National Security Division of the DOJ tells the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) they have been breaking the law; and the NSD specifically informs the court they have been using FISA applications to spy on their domestic political opposition.
    If the DOJ-NSD FISA abuse and/or FARA corruption were ever to reach sunlight, Atkinson -as the lawyer for the process- would be under a lot of scrutiny for his involvement. Yes, that gives current ICIG Michael Atkinson a strong and corrupt motive to participate with the Lawfare objective.
    It look like they are trying to get P.Trump to tip his hand and release information before he and it is ready to be made public.
    The FISA report is coming soon, lets hope after that P.Trump can share some of the hidden reports that we all want and need to see.

  34. Bill says:

    Wonder if mysterious whistleblower is Blasey Ford’s cousin?

    • stephen fenlon says:

      I have two suspects in my head
      considering the “whistle blower” did not here the phone conversation first hand
      that it was not part of their operational duties
      that the incident occurred in July
      either
      Sue Gordon
      or
      The previous US Ambassador in Ukraine, (forget her name), who stymied all the efforts of the Ukraine Govt. to get US Visas to hand over information on election interference from 2016. She was replaced this year if I remember correctly.

      • stephen fenlon says:

        *here
        = hear

        • 1stgoblyn says:

          Stephen, Wikipedia says it was Marie Louise Yovanovitch, recalled about May of 2019 after she allegedly gave Ukraine Prosecutor Lutsenko a list of persons not to prosecute.

      • Sherri Young says:

        I think one of our former ambassadors to Ukraine is in an interim position at the moment. I don’t think there is a permanent replacement for the ambassador yet.
        Be wary of another one of our diplomats over there who was appointed by TRex, Kurt Volker. He is a McCain surrogate.
        https://twitter.com/SpecRepUkraine

  35. Aintree says:

    “Michael K Atkinson was previously the Senior Counsel to…John Carlin and Mary McCord at the DOJ-NSD in 2016.”
    Who advised POTUS to nominate Atkinson to the Intel IG position in May 2018? If the Intel community isn’t purged completely of its Coup related or linked people why is it surprising that these anti Trump leaks and ‘scandals” are so easily and constantly crafted for the receptive corrupt media?
    Releasing the relevant sections of the transcript to the public with Ukrainian approval would greatly help in killing this hoax about a Quid pro Quo arrangement and any other “illegalities” but it would also weaken the President’s powers and privacy. But not releasing the transcripts will feed the scandal.
    So, P Trump is once again in a Catch 22 that favors his enemies.

    • Aintree says:

      Oddly: Intel IG Atkinson’s appointment in 2018 was delayed by Sens. Grassley and Wyden (D) due to “whistleblower” concerns.
      “Atkinson was voted out of the committee in February, but has seen his nomination delayed while senators tangled with the Office of the DNI over the fate of the whistleblower ombudsman’s office, from which long time occupant Dan Meyer was recently fired….
      Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., had held up Atkinson’s nomination while negotiating with DNI Dan Coats, whom they’ve asked to turn over documents on the firing of Meyer.”
      “Coats has said he supports continuing the Whistleblowing and Source Protection program, but the two senators have continued their hold on the nomination of Jason Klitenic to be the IC watchdog’s general counsel.”
      https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2018/05/intelligence-community-finally-has-confirmed-inspector-general/148224/

  36. Harry says:

    Sundance wrote above “If you stand back and look at the big picture ..”. Are you saying the Trump admin and everyone else will have endure another investigation till election ? it is a shame that critical positions are not fully cleaned up and such garbage gets attention.

  37. Magabear says:

    So is the so-called whistle blower none other than Michael Atkinson? Hmmm.

  38. Boknows says:

    Good post isolation415,
    Spot on. Nothing more needs done to once again expose the scum also known as the Democrap party.

  39. Boknows says:

    Good post isolation415,
    Spot on. Nothing more needs done to once again expose the scum also known as the Democrap party.

    • Redzone says:

      I disagree. The transcripts will likely show PT asking Ukraine to investigate the corruption surrounding the Bidens (Didn’t they say PT asked 8 times?).
      Read in a vacuum, this is all the Media and Dems need to support their story-telling. If anything is released, everything has to be released that will demonstrate the truth.
      “Everything” likely gets very complicated for the average viewer to consume, especially when PT can’t get honest coverage of the story, and in fact will get dishonest coverage.

  40. Echo Bravo says:

    Long time lurker, first time poster.
    Some thoughts on the overall scheme: this is incredibly risky for the Democrats for several reasons. First, the big club (in my humble opinion) prefers Biden over Warren for the following:
    1. Many of his gaffes can be spun as attributed to his age vs. malice or true flip flopping, which might endear him to boomer union democrats who would otherwise likely vote Trump.
    2. He’s controllable, as opposed to Warren, which means that Wall St. has nothing to fear, in contrast to Warren who’s flipped and flopped from semi-populism (see her book, The Two Income Trap, particularly the sections discussing single parenthood. Tucker Carlson had an excellent segment on this) to the left side of of socialism (if that actually exists). He’ll also run with whomever they decide should be VP as opposed to Warren who’ll likely make her own decision, in order to quell dissonance from the Bernie Bro’s who’ll vote for her, disgust notwithstanding. (See the WFP endorsement brouhaha)
    3. His baggage represents leverage, whereas Warren just has her ridiculous “Native American” faux status (which she used for actual material gain), and which Trump will constantly beat her over the head with handily.
    The risks to the Democrats for opening this can of worms are immense:
    1. Bidens baggage, now in the public conscience, are beginning to weigh on his polls.
    2. Any impeachment hearings will likely include testimony damaging to both Biden, but more importantly, former Obama administration officials who approved the deals and ignored the conflicts of interest.
    3. Trump could potentially trump TehResistance “whistleblower” by releasing portions of the call transcript.
    4. The entire NSC and DOS staff is now officially suspect by Trump, which means both purges and marginalization for TehResistance within both orgs. Which will ultimately seriously circumscribe Lawfare’s eyes and ears within the administration.
    5. If the worst were to come to pass, and Trump were to be impeached(Heaven Forfend), the galvanizing of the base would be like nothing the Democrats have ever seen. Impeachment already isn’t popular, except among a rather small sliver of the Democrats more extreme base. Following through would be the ultimate Gordian’s Knot for Pelosi and Co. Likely resulting in losing the 2020 House.
    TL; SR: This long shot by the Lawfare fellow travelers has a high probability of blowback, resulting in serious damage to the overall Democratic strategy on multiple fronts.
    END
    – Echo Bravo

    • WeeWeed says:

      Welcome Echo Bravo!

    • Redzone says:

      EB- interesting and well thought out analysis. With all the risks involved, it seems that it may be an attempt to remove the Ukraine/Biden arrow from PT’s quiver, notwithstanding the risks. This is absolutely a calculated move.
      If Biden is going to have a chance, he has to put this skeleton to rest. Of course, like all Dem moves, the timing is great for them and this dust-up will be used for many purposes.
      If Biden can’t survive it, they need to know sooner rather than later, so they can reorganize their chess pieces.

  41. Appalled says:

    George Washington must be rolling over in his grave.

  42. Allard Otten says:

    How about this scenario?
    Biden was always running only to take the hit for the Ukrainian scandal. He needed to be front runner and up in the polls to make any attempt to accuse him for Ukraine look like a political hit job.
    The problem was that we had peak Biden too early because they couldn’t keep him on script. This Trump story was all set up so they decided to run with it early while they could still claim Biden was the front runner. They’re counting on the MSM to carry the ball, but either the whistle blower was a Judas goat who got them to trigger too early or they are so desperate they had to take anything they could get and Schiff drew short straw.
    For some reason I don’t think the dems want Warren, either, but taking Warren out would look like a hit job from Biden and they have to keep the base locked. Another reason, if so, to pull Biden when the timing is best. Regardless of who the dems take out, it has to look like it’s Trump’s doing.

  43. Harry says:

    “He can avoid any charges of obstruction by saying, fine here are all the transcripts,”
    I dont think thats good enough. President need to expose evidence of Biden corruption along with it. At a minimum, make public how Ukranian effort to provide evidence has been stone walled and denied visa etc as reported int he media. In short, he need to take it on the offense, not defense that here it is and it is all clean. if someone has a bad nose, he or she will smell dirt in rose petals. thats what these people are and russia hoax showed us the same trick. They used the investigation to cast doubt in people’s mind and win in 2018. Now they need something else for 2020 as russia hoax failed. Without exposing the other side, proof of “no wrong doing by Trump” is not what is needed after 3 years of russia hoax saga and upcoming election in sight.

    • We the people know says:

      We don’t know what was said on the call.
      We don’t know who listened to the President’s call.
      We don’t know who leaked the call’s contents (the Biden part).
      We have Joe Biden on video openly bragging about getting a Ukrainian prosecutor removed by threatening to withhold one BILLION dollars in loans.
      We have Trump saying he knows that his calls are being listened to.
      We don’t know if Michael Atkinson is a bad guy or a good guy.
      We don’t know if Trump actually wants the call transcript released or withheld.
      We don’t know if Trump would love to run against Biden (I think he would).
      We don’t know if the leaker is Trump guy or a Schiff guy.
      We don’t know why Trump isn’t screaming or tweeting about his call being ILLEGALLY listened to.
      There certainly is a game afoot…some serious rope-a-dope. Who’s the dope?

  44. Raffaella says:

    Biden would be so easy to beat in general election (he has advanced stage Alzheimer’s, looks very old, and no serious pationate following).
    Having gone through the pain of Russia hoax, why would President Trump even bother discussing Biden with President of Ukraine? This time, President Trump is partially to blame for giving these deep state traitors another shot at getting him when they failed so miserably the first time.

  45. A2 says:

    As for the Biden & Son Inc., the leaker elevated to a nosy parker gossiping over the water cooler sink, the only advice I, on my first foray at doing so, advise the President to adopt a Cantonese phrase every time the Dems and their puppets in the MSM perpetrate a hoax:
    砌生豬肉 Which literally means ‘ building raw pork’. What it actually means is ‘ to make accusations – usually ones that don’t have any merit. It rolls right off the tongue. To describe someone who has been accused of something without any proof, you would say that they had “had someone build their raw pork” .
    ??????

  46. Fingolfin says:

    Sundance, who the heck in Trump DOJ allowed Michael Atkinson to become/remain an IG!? If he was placed there during the transition, why didn’t even one of the white hats make sure that he needed to be removed?!

  47. john says:

    I just saw a news clip of SchiffforBrains saying that he has been very reluctant to go down the impeachment path. How in the hell does he say that lie with a straight face? Does he really think anyone believes that statement?
    A couple months ago I posted about my non political brother that, while conservative by nature, is too busy with his own life, job, house and family to pay much attention to politics. He has been mostly unaware of the coup attempt, He isnt any longer because of these new allegations. He is fully awake. For the first time, when I started talking politics, he didnt tell me that he didnt want to hear it.
    That is the measure of this Ukraine crap. The traitorous filth are waking more of the non political people up to their nefarious plot to overthrow a duly elected President, and to utterly destroy he and his family forever through lies and subterfuge.

  48. Porpaganda Democrats I’m so sick and Tired of Them,
    The whistleblower is get rid of corrupt Biden,actually,

  49. icthematrix says:

    This has all the signs of evil Lawfare strategy. I think Sundance is right, but this attempt is also designed to hold the fort against the broader role Ukraine played with Obama and the Dims on political espionage. That’s a deep well of corruption that goes back to their former leadership and Clinton/Biden/Obama. This is a major offensive to blunt the President and protect Joe. Look at today’s Fox News item, crafted like news but really an opinion piece by a Dem operative. She claims President Trumps level of dislike is ultra high via a BS poll by media. She links this to the Ukraine call. Unreal….
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-reelection-trouble-mary-anne-marsh

  50. Pyrthroes says:

    Moriarty proposes, Holmes disposes: Quantum-physical correlation-correspondence is always preferable to politicians’ legal-schmegal entrapment gavotte. In phase-space, probability structures a complex/virtual (“imaginary”) spectrum of outcomes which magically reduce to Time as exponential unit-one.
    In context, where subjects transpose instantaneously from A to B without syllogistic “if this, then that” –that is, absent linear causation– spatio-temporal position via time-duration/interval reduces solely to energy coordinates as positive or negative exponents/roots, proportional functions of Probability Constant 1 : 1. Because the immutable Past is dead-and-gone, while Future contingencies lie wholly in potentiam, only the cosmos’ eternal, universal Present has any material/physical (“real”) existence.
    So… Schiff et al. take their text from Planck: Transposing from A to B, anything Rats’ partisan hate-object Pres. Trump does or says relates to some hoicked-up “obstruction” premise via shifting space/time energy coordinates (Oyez!), establishing that, in fact, Schiff & Co. are there already. Which, of course, they are.

  51. JimWVa says:

    The IC IG Atkinson September 9th letter to Congressmen Schiff/Nunes is a non-statutory “whistleblower complaint” against the Acting DNI Maguire, because of the Acting DNI’s failure to forward to Congress a different whistleblower complaint regarding the classified communications of President Trump. IMO, the entire Intelligence Community statutory structure needs overhaul. IC IG Atkinson’s 9/9 letter blows right by the clause of the statute that requires continued non-disclosure of the classified information to Congress if it includes “differences of opinion over public policy matters.” See, page 1 at footnote 2 of the Atkinson-Schiff/Nunes letter of 9/9/2019. (Posted by Sundance at top of this thread)
    These IC statutes should protect the US President and the Homeland from malign attack by foreign military adversaries (Al Queda, etc.). The Lawfare allies in the US Government, IMO, are using these public laws to wage asymmetric political activity against the US President during the Constitutional four year term of office.

  52. G S says:

    Their allegations:
    By: Mary Anne Marsh https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-reelection-trouble-mary-anne-marsh
    “Clearly Trump’s reelection is in trouble. And it may explain why Trump allegedly sought foreign assistance against Joe Biden, the front-runner in the crowded Democratic primary field. That should concern every American.
    It has been widely reported that Trump asked the newly elected president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, eight times in a July phone call to investigate whether Biden, while vice president, acted improperly in pressuring the resignation of a Ukraine prosecutor whose office was investigating a company that employed Biden’s son. Trump denies these allegations and the Ukrainian foreign minister said Saturday, ‘I know what the conversation was about and I think there was no pressure.’
    It was also reported that Trump threatened to withhold $250 million in military aid from Ukraine if they didn’t cooperate. That money was released this month.
    Furthermore, Trump insisted that Ukraine work on the matter with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, not official representatives of the U.S. government.
    However, if these reports are true, a request to benefit Trump’s political prospects, rather than United States or its national security, is illegal.”

    • Bubby says:

      “If these reports are true”? She sounds just like Mittens! But they aren’t true and both already know that but being NeverTrumpers the sinister insinuation is what counts!

    • JeffP says:

      Mary Ann Marsh is a liberal lunatic that hates Trump AND All Americans. I would not believe it if she said it was a Woman, I would say Lift the Skirt and prove it!
      KAG2020!

    • snellvillebob says:

      Harry Reid once said on the Senate floor that he had Romney’s tax returns. It also was a lie.

    • Another seditious traitor at Fox. By the way, Dan Bongino was absolutely AMAZING on Mark Levin show last night. I am sure that Dan must be an avid reader of CTH. Seems to me he gets nearly all his material directly from the writing of our illustrious Sundance.

    • LEET says:

      G S:
      On what basis, I wonder, does she make the assertion that “Trump’s re-election is in trouble”, she even adds the word “clearly”, but never gives an example of how it is clear. Looks like your typical progressives manipulation, obfuscation, and prevarication.
      We will only see more and more of this in the days ahead of 2020 election.

      • GB Bari says:

        On what basis, I wonder, does she make the assertion that “Trump’s re-election is in trouble”, she even adds the word “clearly”, but never gives an example of how it is clear.
        She makes the assertion on the same basis used for every other false assertion made about President Trump. That basis is – no factual basis, other than bald faced lies told with confidence that most MSM news consumers are sufficiently brainwashed and too busy and unaware to look any further and discover the truth.

    • Deplorable Canuck says:

      I’m sorry but I read this screed on Fox. No need to read it here, consider the source and don’t spread this utter crap. It does not deserve a Ctrl C or a Ctrl V. Just a Ctrl X.

      • G S says:

        I think that some people haven’t read it there and I believe that it’s important for us to know what they are saying.
        I copied and pasted parts of it here so her article doesn’t get many clicks. I posted the link as reference, should someone ask for it.
        If this is a violation of rules of this site, the moderators will delete my comment.
        I wrote at the beginning that these are «their arguments», you could’ve just skipped over it if you didn’t want to read.

    • Rynn69 says:

      Mary Ann Marsh? LMAO. Since you live in a bubble, have fun spinning all your BS to each other. People in the Real World of America could care less. Once liars, always liars.

    • lftpm says:

      At the denouement of this fustercluck,VSGPDJT will speak two words to the Dims: “Meep meep.”

    • The Third Man says:

      Mary Ann Marsh is the worst hack of all. She pops up all too often with inane, predictable “opinions.” Just shut up and go away I say.

      • NC Patriot says:

        She is on Fox EVERY Monday morning———-if you want to avoid Mary Ann Marsh—-then skip Fox on Monday mornings between 10-11 AM, I rarely see her at any other time.
        You are right——–political hack through and through!

    • iowan2 says:

      Rudy was approached by the State Dept to act as liaison with Ukraine, first meeting in Spain with a Ukraine representative Rudy had never met or talked with. Rudy at every level being debriefed by the State Dept.
      Try to us facts, not talking points.

    • ?Gunny66 says:

      G S.
      Give me a break…..Everything you state comes from the MSM….
      Go back and listen to Biden’s own words….
      “Trumps re-election is in Trouble”………… another yawner…
      Next…..

    • Garavaglia says:

      But..what if the reports are true that I saw The Loch Ness Monster Making out with Bigfoot in Central Park last week (my dog told me I saw this). Huh..what if? Prove me wrong..lol.

    • Patience says:

      Oh my! Baseless M A Marsh twists again.

    • 1stgoblyn says:

      Mary Ann Marsh is just another one of those propaganda mouth-pieces: “Clearly Trump’s reelection is in trouble. And it may explain why Trump allegedly sought foreign assistance against Joe Biden, the front-runner…” blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.
      More likely VSPGPDJT is gaining momentum and that explains why the propaganda machine and the Dims (sorry for repeating myself) keeps saying shirt like that and why Joe Biden is constantly broadcast as the front-runner leading the polls.

  53. JoAnn Leichliter says:

    Ukrainians were armpit deep in attempting to influence the 2016 election in favor of the Democrats. It was about to come out, and this is the counterattack.

    • old white guy says:

      I think that at this point in the game we no longer need any information other than the name and the party of the person putting out the accusation, we can then dismiss it.

      • chipin8511 says:

        Sue Gordon

      • stripmallgrackle says:

        Just as in 2017 we, the public, are denied knowledge of the snitch’s identity and access to the documentation which lists the offending activities. Meanwhile, over at the Hill, their professional commenters are promoting the narrative that Biden & Son, Inc have been absolved of any wrongdoing, and are linking to media stories as proof. It goes without saying that Trump is up to his old tricks again, according to the naysayers. Never mind that Ukraine has been blocked by agents of the US in its effort to share investigative findings with the current administration.
        Somebody needs to start leaking. Schiff cannot be allowed to hide behind classification for another year.

        • Sentient says:

          Do they really want Biden as nominee? We should be so lucky.

        • GenEarly says:

          democRats are Marxists, and We are in the midst of a Bolshevik coup, not so much from Russia, but China. Estab Rinoes, always so quiet and reticent to speak out for Liberty, are bought and paid for, MIA, as President Trump battles on to MAGA and Free Again.
          The 2016 (1776) War to Restore American Independence continues unabated with the ProgreSSive Activists on the Attack, with the Patriot “Deplorables” wondering when or if the Feral Gov can even function to dispense Equal Justice to the NWO Deep State Elitists.
          If the Gov Fails, then there are only a few options left.

        • GenEarly says:

          democRats are Marxists, and We are in the midst of a Bolshevik coup, not so much from Russia, but China. Estab Rinoes, always so quiet and reticent to speak out for Liberty, are bought and paid for, MIA, as President Trump battles on to MAGA and Free Again.
          The 2016 (1776) War to Restore American Independence continues unabated with the ProgreSSive Activists on the Attack, with the Patriot “Deplorables” wondering when or if the Feral Gov can even function to dispense Equal Justice to the NWO Deep State Elitists.
          If the Gov Fails, then there are only a few options left.

      • OWG- 100% RIGHT THE HELL ON.

      • Nobodysfool says:

        The Ukrainian Hoax is going to be the 2.0 of the Russian Hoax only because media outlets need something new to capture viewers/readers again, just as the Democrats do.
        The Ukrainian prez has already cleared our President. The so-called whistleblower has already proven to be a hoaxer in good standing alongside Chrissy Balsy-Ford by admitting they didn’t actually hear the conversation. Or attended the party.
        Instead of dropping it, the So-called Tick Tock Club, here and elsewhere, decide it’s their duty to take it up, analyze a nothing until it becomes a something, and low and behold, a new ‘investigation’ is born. A Fake News item from quite awhile ago is today’s hair-on-fire news topic. So once again, the dueling investigative experts on opposing sides have a new vein to tap.
        President Trump had one of the most impressive, successful days yesterday that any American president has ever had. His reception in Houston was astoundingly positive. Which ones of the Dem presidential hopeful could draw over 50,000 people to hear them speak? That’s right. None. President Trump’s appearance in Ohio with the Australian PM as they announced a new company that will hire a great number of veterans is so much more important than this stupid, pathetic Ukraine story. Why can’t we report and discuss the positive story, over and over and over?
        Maybe, just once the media that supports our President should react to these moronic ‘breaking news’ stories the same way the lib media always handled negative stories on Obama, that BTW, were breaking news that needed hair set on fire about.
        Hey, Conservative Media, walk away. Make a flat settlement that Ukraine is a bogus, disputed at the gate tale and we aren’t covering it. Please say that you no longer will take the bait by arguing back which causes the original pseudo sore to end up festering. And Fox News. Really? you’re hauling out Lindsey Graham and every single dingleberry Repub that you think might turn on Trump over this. Headline after headline today screeches that Romney is ‘concerned’. Who gives a flip what Romney thinks? He’s as gleeful every time the Left claims another ‘gotcha’ moment as any Marxist going. Why on earth give this phony, No Borders, Koch Bro/Chamber of Commerce clown another second of coverage? America doesn’t like him. He lost the presidency twice. Nobody cares what the man thinks. He’s petty, arrogant and holier than thou.
        Don’t we realize by starting investigations and digging for counter evidence we are simply fueling the Socialist media and their puppets in Congress? Tell Lindsey Graham that as soon as he’s actually gotten something productive done toward serving true justice on the criminals that tried to thwart the 2016 election, then maybe we’ll have time to hear his drivel about Impeachment 2.0. In the meantime, Lindsey, get your butt to work on what matters and shut up. Same goes for all the other Deep Stater’s that are whistling past this graveyard called The Coup.
        Spin on, we apparently must. Some, however, are bored, disgusted, revolted and not going to play the game again. Eyes have glazed over reading miles of research, proof and reprints that never achieve results that matter. Some are tired of pundits that seem more concerned with producing the most brilliant analyses, the best researched bombshell, the biggest ugly of all. Maybe if we give them all a trophy with a littke plaque that says its actually a Pulitzer, they’ll leave us be. Again, hey Conservative Media, jere’s a hint: Unless we have direct influence on Bagpipe Bill, our efforts. are. lost. Sure, blood pressures are higher, anger is closer to fever pitch, and endless anxiety keeps us sleepless, but we are powerless. All of us. Sometimes watching Conservative Media try to win hearts and minds is like watching the stupid TV show ‘Ridiculousness’. The same types of people pull the same neanderthal-like, idiotic stunts while the same people sit on the panel and coach the audience to laugh along with them.
        On the brighter side, some prefer to take action that will produce results. Instead of listening to the harpies rehash a non story that Pencil Neck thinks is The Big One, some will counter it by donating to our President’s reelection campaign today at http://www.donaldjtrump.com
        Laugh at the pathetic behavior of the Left, but don’t waste precious moments trying to shout them down. We are better than that. Reject their insanity by ignoring them. A lot of people are making a handsome living off this nonsense on both sides of the aisle, Decide for yourselves when enough of it, is enough for you.

  54. Guyski says:

    It’s Deja-vu for the dimmocrats, but not for President Trump.

  55. Joshua2415 says:

    Is it possible that the democrats could use their HPSCI “ongoing investigation” to suppress the public release of the upcoming “IG” report on FISA abuse? I’d like to think that the executive branch alone would have that authority.

  56. iwasthere says:

    Good Lord, how this man could have been appointed the ICIG is nuts. The word I am getting is that Trump has a McCain staffer in the WH for these personal decisions and Trump is loyal to the guy.

    • L4grasshopper says:

      And from just where are you “getting this word”?

    • JeffP says:

      You my friend are full of what Babies fill their Diapers with. The smelly runny yellow stuff too. Just saying…
      Show proof or you are just another Liberal Looney Toons like the rest of them.

    • ojiy7iyo7y7g says:

      Makes sense to me. Trump makes a lot of bad picks, although it’s perhaps relevant that the pool of applicants is so badly tainted that good pics are difficult.

  57. Blind no longer says:

    Oh hell. Here we go again! Only this time it’s a corrupt Inspector General, and for the intelligence services at that! What is painfully apparent now is there is not one area of our government that is not corrupt and framing people to save themselves!!
    President Trump must cut out this cancer in our government when the time is right and completely destroy these people!!!
    Deep State 2.0!

  58. Father of 3 Gen Zers says:

    They need an investigation to create a narrative and also to hide all documents, evidence and discussion. If there is an “ongoing investigation” the truth is hidden while the lie is propagated by the media and Dems. Been here before. 3 years and a cloud of dust. Not his time.

    • Jase says:

      Have to agree. I don’t think there is any goal other than manufacturing the story so the MainSwampMedia can run with it.
      There’ll be a lot of outraged huffing and puffing, but the main job is done.
      The Dem Media partners will now report the allegations as a proven fact, giving the Dems cover to discredit the Horowitz report and any outcome of Durham’s investigation. It is all about creating the fiction that, while Brennan, Comey et al may have strayed out of the line, what the President ‘did’ was far worse.
      Guarantee that the snake Simpson has instructed every Dem and every one of its media hacks to constantly repeat the phrase: illegally pressured a foreign government to smear a political opponent.

  59. Merkin Muffley says:

    I disagree. This has everything to do with providing cover for Biden. They have him dead to rights using government money to bribe the Ukrainian government to protect his son.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urTk6O4c0mU

    • Katherine McCoun says:

      Yes, I think the methods follow the outline Sundance points out and yes, obstruction would be an excellent outcome but motive is coverup.
      Russia collusion accusations a cover operation with high hopes of impeachment for obstruction … Goal of obstruction impeachment but purpose/motive is cover up!

      • Raptors2020 says:

        Kurt Schlichter pointing out today that impeachment results in a proper trial in the Senate. In other words, President Trump’s defenders get to call witnesses. Witness # 1? Joe Biden, of course. Let’s see how feeble Joe does, explaining away Ukraine, with the whole world watching. Have the Democrats thought this far ahead?

    • farrier105 says:

      They have him dead to rights, but they better drop the hammer fast. That will make them pucker about continuing this. They need to drag Chalupa and her pet Ukranians in, too. I’m tired of this babel of foreigners intruding on these matters. That will teach us to engage in regime change in their countries.

    • bertdilbert says:

      The bigger story is he implies Obama knew and approved of Biden’s actions. In other words, it went all the way to the top.

      • Bubby says:

        Bert exactly! No one from the msm is going to ask obama what he knew and approved of and even if they did obama’s answer would be worked out in advance with the msm!

    • Kitty-Kat says:

      Imo, they will have another story as to why the prosecutor had to be fired and they will swat back the fact that Biden’s son was part of the picture; the latter will be explained away as only an minor detail in the big picture.

    • Rynn69 says:

      The genie is already out of the bottle. Hard to provide “cover” to Biden when he’s already streaked across the football field…

      • Jederman says:

        They could provide crazy joe the perfect cover story. Ironclad and uncrackable, and he would (impulsively) streak across the field again and blow it.
        There isn’t enough msm spin to keep joe safe from himself.
        I suspect obama and plenty of others knew. You have to wonder why they let joe out to make the 2020 run. This was guaranteed to come out, and the questions (despite the msm best efforts) about obama wh knowledge would follow.

        • Aeyrie says:

          A long time ago I was given this basic tenet by a very wise person and I have always remembered it becasue it rang of Truth for me. It was: “Evil always sews the seeds of its own destruction.” It was a rare thing back then, but now I see it’s everywhere! Something to think about.

  60. The story already shifted from somebody heard Trump make a quid pro quo agreement with Ukraine to there wasn’t a quid pro quo to nobody actually heard it. This story is headed nowhere fast.

    • Jederman says:

      You have to hand it to the Leftys. They can play a weak hand pretty well.
      Big shout out to the rotten and corrupt U.S. “news” media. Without them providing narrative support operations the fundamental transformation would have died on the vine with obama back in 08.
      PT is correct, the msm IS the enemy of the American people. What else would you call someone/something you depend on for reliable, timely and correct information who deliberately DECIEVES you?

    • Judith says:

      If Congress, SSCI, CIA, FISC, FBI and DOJ can blindly accept a fake “pee pee dossier” and beat it to death for two solid years without repercussion, if they can employ a fake premise of Russians hacking into a DNC computer that the FBI never bothered to examine themselves, as the basis for investigating a duly-elected president, what is to stop them from doing it over and over again?
      Corruption is all they know.
      These people are evil, conniving traitors. They plan to surrender our Constitutional Republic to their New World Order (TREASON), and the Enemedia is thoroughly complicit in this effort. There will be no exposure.
      I don’t trust the Ukraine angle. That country has been a hotbed for CIA activity. Somebody there obviously baited a hook for Trump, and it remains to be seen how he responded and what will come out in the wash.
      I expect more trouble lies ahead. And this is the time that RepubliCONS will come out of the woodwork to pile on. Impeachment will be a bipartisan effort. It is now or never for the UNiparty to show it’s true colors. The music stops in 2020, and too many are scrambling for a chair.

  61. JRD says:

    AND, Romney is McCain 2.0
    “Troubling in the extreme”: Romney breaks ranks with GOP over Trump and Ukraine
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/troubling-in-the-extreme-romney-breaks-ranks-with-gop-over-trump-and-ukraine
    No, what’s “troubling in the extreme” is that RNC Chair, Ronna Romney McDaniel hasn’t put her corrupt uncle “in check.” It’s time to severely threaten him.
    I wear it as a badge of honor that I refused to vote for Romney’Ryan. They both made my flesh crawl.

    • saintoil says:

      I applaud your instincts. I voted for the guy. I voted for Bush twice. In hindsight we have had no choices for quite some time. God Bless citizens Trump stepping up. The uniparty will continue to work for his downfall until they are destroyed. 2020 could be that election. Lefty is unhinged and has not one issue they can win, only orange man bad. All apples are in one cart, they appear ready to go for broke. Suites me just fine.

      • boogywstew says:

        “saintoil” … I applaud YOUR instincts … YOU did the right thing. “JRD’s” non votes for Romney/McCain were votes for Obama.

    • amjean says:

      Didn’t Obama make your flesh crawl at least twice as much?

      • Aeyrie says:

        Uh huh! When everybody else was comparing that “smooth operator” to a reincarnation of Lincoln (?!!) I was wondering what they all were smoking. I know a sleazeball when I see one.

      • Judith says:

        Take note how the UNiparty always uses the same m.o: When voters are thoroughly disgusted with a known quantity, like NWO Bush, along comes *unknown* challenger Clinton.
        After we had it up to here with Clinton, they trotted out a younger Bush redux. And after he hit his expiration date, didn’t they have another, unknown Demonrat “messiah” waiting in the wings..
        I distinctly remember asking where did they dig up this yahoo from Arkansas? He was a complete unknown at the time. Ditto Barry Hussein Obola. The media always has a euphoric welcome for the anointed one. Never fails.
        I noticed that this fake news kicked into high gear during the 1980’s. Accordingly, the media was thoroughly revamped, with reporters and editors put out to pasture, en masse. Whatever passed for real news, has suffered a slow death since then.

        • Ma McGriz says:

          ” fake news kicked into high gear during the 1980’s. Accordingly, the media was thoroughly revamped, with reporters and editors put out to pasture, en masse. Whatever passed for real news, has suffered a slow death since then. ”
          You’ve paid attention.
          I think de-regulation and amnesty were two of the driving factors.

    • 13wasylyna says:

      Never trust a Romney

    • Bill says:

      Mitt McCain…

    • Father of 3 Gen Zers says:

      It reeks of desperation – planned or not. 22-0 Winning!

    • boogywstew says:

      Did you wear your Badge of Honor to the 2nd Obama inauguration?

    • AdamSelene says:

      “Breaks ranks.” Right. Because RMoney and DJT have been thick as thieves this whole time, right?

    • The Third Man says:

      Mary Ann Marsh is the worst hack of all. She pops up all too often with inane, predictable “opinions.” Just shut up and go away I say.

    • The Third Man says:

      Romney, #1 on my s–t list for many years, has irritated me the most. He is probably haunted by deep, dark, psychological, self loathing going back to his days driving an American Motors Gremlin gifted by his father, the president of AMC. “Oh the horror.” ?

  62. CirclinTheDrain says:

    And the same schiff will keep happening until they are all under indictment or prosecuted. No consequences, no deterrent.

  63. k4jjj says:

    There is no reason to assume any of what the media reports is true. I would think we would have learned this by now.
    It is astonishing the Left has been reduced to non-stop lying as their ridiculous policy ideas have no chance of being embraced by a majority.

  64. youme says:

    It turns out the complaint is nothing more than a rumor
    “The whistleblower didn’t have direct knowledge of the communications…”
    “,,,the whistleblower’s concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work”
    Full quote:
    “The whistleblower didn’t have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower’s concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration’s determination that the complaint didn’t fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.
    Ignore the CNN headline.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/20/politics/donald-trump-whistleblower/index.html

    • cboldt says:

      The popular narrative is that “no whistelblower because hearsay.”
      This obscures the fact that “no whistleblower because not concerning IC malfeasance.” Unless the whisleblower report is, itself, malfeasance (it is).
      Atkinson is obviously a key skunk in this scam.

    • Remember the Page-FISA-date TRAP? The SSCI was provided with a traceable version of the Page FISA that had the wrong date.
      Here’s my best guess-
      1) The Intelligence Community (IC) leaked Schiff, Elliot and Cummings top secret information about the July 25 phone call to Schiff & co.
      2) Schiff & Co. prepared this narrative.
      3) The IC leaker(s) learned that IC leaks of confidential & top-secret information to Congress were being traced. The IC leaker(s) filed a whistleblower complaint so that the ICIG would then forward the leaked documents to Congress, giving Schiff, Elliot and Commings plausible deniability about why the had the documents.
      4) DNI blocked ICIG from providing the documents, e.g. “laundering the leak”. This leaves Schiff & Co in possession of confidential & top-secret documents with no legal excuse for possessing them.
      5) DNI and POTUS are now playing mind games with IC leaker(s) and Schiff, Elliot, and Cummings; by hinting that the leaked documents were marked, just like the Page-FISA.
      THIS is why Schiff & Co. are now screaming for the release of the transcript, because Schiff & Co. need to ret-con why they have and were distributing classified & top-secret information.

  65. saintoil says:

    POTUS has this one, is actually playing with them. They are desperate. Won’t work this time. PDJT is nipping the bud.

  66. 13wasylyna says:

    Guess who was always in Ukraine…….hmmmmmm…..John McCain

  67. Don McAro says:

    And Lastly….All of these clowns who want Obstruction are also the same people that thought Jussie was Lynched….remember that

  68. Danimal28 says:

    You know… The silver lining in all of this BS is that reputable world leaders, like those in Ukraine who tried to inform the Trump admin of the unruly Biden crap, realize Trump is a real leader and does not play this political BS. There is no political machinations with the Trumpster and I am very grateful.

  69. dustahl says:

    All it is , is another leak to the media , dressed up as a whistle-blower. People are on to it, Wolf, Wolf , Wolf

  70. GW says:

    So how did this scumbag get to be the IG for the IC in the first place ???

  71. You see (well, maybe you don’t), this is why declassification long before this was a good idea. Might as well say it anyway: Declassify everything — now. Grow up.

  72. 93eie489ap says:

    Breaking: Schiff/Nadler demanding appointment of Special Counsel to investigate Ukraine Hoax/

  73. This is another ploy to run out the clock til 2020 so President Trump will be locked into another defensive mode. God help America if the Democrats win in 2020.

    • Aeyrie says:

      Ain’t gonna happen. Their runaway train is fast approaching the crash barrier. Lol, remember the end of the movie ‘Silver Streak’? Sort of like that.

    • Sherri Young says:

      The attraction to Ukraine for power players would have to be the weapons sales to that country and continuance of NATO.
      The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for 2020 is in conference committee. For the first time ever, it passed the House on a straight party vote.
      Power and money. This ain’t ALL about Trump and Schiff. Count on it.

  74. Gary says:

    Ezekial 38. The Ukraine biden debacle could be the hook on the jaw that Trump used to nail these cucks. I don’t see a way this isn’t investigated.

  75. trialbytruth says:

    Sundance.one other thing. Schiff and company are asking for an unredacted copy of the phone call. If it does exist it most likely can not be released. It is likely to be highly classified with statements regarding potential Russian geo-political and military movements and the Ukraine and our counters. It may contain Ukrainian domestic political concerns as well as known Intel.sources ( ours, theirs or Russian ) identified loosely by involvement or directly by position or name.
    Shiff and friends may get to see it but; if redacted “the truth of the crimes are being hidden” if not reacted, ” the truth of the crimes exceed anything you can imagine”. Since the unredacted version could likely never be shown that statement will be the cover for the media. No win on release for Trump unless this was a very vanilla conversation of congradulation and a Ukrainian Biden tyrade and warning of our ambassador to Ukraine loyalty to (deep state/ Russia? ?) Likely he will just go Executive privilege.
    So we know what is happening and what to expect. The next question is does it matter to re-election. Those that care already know Orange man bad. I doubt those who have already decided to vote for him will be swayed.
    It will create talking points for candidates. It will create fodder for the talking heads but it won’t sway votes to the Dems. The divide in this country is a fault line the Democratic party is slipping into the ocean. We are reaching down and tossing ropes and ladders over the edge saving who we can, but the rest are doomed to irelevance.
    It will be interesting to see if Trump tries a different tactic on this one.

    • It is a diplomatic conversation between sovereign heads of state. Exclusively the purview of the President, and undertaken by the party on the other end of the line with the expectation of absolute secrecy. Not that partisans within one government or the other would illegally make a headline out of it. This is a diplomatic disaster.
      Both Trump and the Ukrainians know what Joe Biden was doing and they want to fix it. This should have remained state secret … just like Joe’s original extortion.

      • Sherri Young says:

        I don’t know that I agree with keeping Joe & Son’s extortion secret because that info has been publicly available for some time. I agree that a transcript of the presidential telephone call is absolutely out of bounds.
        It is unfortunate that we do not have an extradition treaty with Ukraine. Otherwise, Ukraine could indict, extradite, and try private citizen Joe Biden and his corrupt son Hunter.

    • [quote] Schiff and company are asking for an unredacted copy of the phone call. [/quote]
      I also find this demand for an unredacted copy interesting, (however I suspect somebody from POTUS staff is torturing Schiff by hinting that his copy might be marked as part of a mole-hunt).
      I look forward to somebody at DNI releasing a “marked” partially redacted transcript mentioning “Rep. Adam S█████’s conversation with Russian █████████s”.

  76. Rynn69 says:

    This BS is what happens when:
    1. The government is corrupt as well as the media and –
    2. AG Barr drags this sh$t on and on and on and on – you either preserve the Republic or the Swamp AG Barr
    3. Holdovers were not terminated

  77. MR52 says:

    Actually isn’t there a Podesta/Manafort connection to Ukr. too? I mean if Manafort is tied to Podesta and Biden, it just make this collusion thing even bigger.
    They are not going to give up because everything they are about is on the line. Election Cheating (votor id), illegal kickbacks through domestic and foreign relationships (unions, healthcare and Ukr and Iran) and Sex/Drug trafficking (immigration). The environment (global warming) stuff is all about keeping those liberals employed with junk science via government programs and grants.
    They are fighting for their life. Don’t even think about them giving up.

  78. JAS says:

    John Solomon has an excellent article that puts this whole thing into the proper context, which is always omitted by the fake media. (Article below the video clip)
    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/462422-missing-piece-to-the-ukraine-puzzle-state-departments-overture-to-rudy?amp
    The latest example of this behavior is the fake media’s glaring omission that the woman in the latest BC attack had no recollection whatsoever of the events that led to the accusations.

  79. I don’t think Lawfare is “smart” at all: I think they’re clueless and stupid … that is to say, they know they’ve got the ears of people who are ambitious, clueless and stupid.
    This was a diplomatic conversation between sovereign heads of state. (No doubt the same venue Biden used to originally strong-arm the Ukrainian Government and get away with it.) They’ve all been using this technology since Winston Churchill chatted-up FDR using AT&T’s marvelous inventions … with an expectation of candor and secrecy that is protected by laws everywhere.
    Now we have a President who wants transparency and honesty, as does the nation with whom he is now speaking “privately and freely.”
    Bam! Partisan American politics busts through this veil and creates a headline … out of their mutual attempt to fix(!) the damage by a conversation that was “nobody’s business but theirs.”
    Now, how can any other head of state want to call the Americans nor take a call from them? Of course they all know they’re being listened-to by friend and enemy alike, but to break the trust in this most-vital form of diplomacy is not only a felony … and, not whistleblowing … but a disaster.
    Furthermore: Joe Biden is the only one who was originally wrong here. It’s not a crime to want to fix it! Duh.

    • P.S.: If, back in the day, anyone had disclosed anything that FDR had said to Winston Churchill or vice-versa, whether he was an employee of the US Government or not, we would have shot him … as a spy. We would therefore have historical justification to do so now …

    • rynn69 says:

      Mike Robinson: It also proves that there is a Deep State of actors within the intel community and executive branch that are utilizing surveillance for the nefarious purpose of hurting the elected President – EXACTLY what they are trying to run away from.
      Stupid on many levels.

  80. Zimbalistjunior says:

    The irony of course is that the President can say that hey I asked for info on Biden in the name of national security: We cannot have a man elected who may have had improper dealings with a foreign country that will leave him pervious to blackmail etc.
    Hahaha

    • Both parties to the conversation … and NO ONE else … are entitled to disclose and then discuss it if they choose. The President can declassify anything by mentioning it in conversation. But for anyone else to breathe a word of it is … the sort of thing that can get you quickly shot as a spy. The heads of sovereign states must be able to speak their minds in absolute secrecy.

      • Judith says:

        Does the disclosure of this classified conversation indicate that the illegal counterintelligence investigation against our President has not ended? Who listens in on and leaks his classified conversations?

  81. Everett Miller says:

    Comments missing:
    Sundance nails it yet again with the picture of AG Barr fiddling (bag blowing) while DC burns.
    Simply perfect. Thanks, SD.
    Still–not one high level criminal indicted, not one. AG Barr and his worker bee have done NOTHING.

    • Zippy says:

      Really hate for the country’s sake to say I was right about Barr. This I surmised by his history which I posted here and comments made by Judicial Watch’s Tom Fitton who said the Barr DOJ was even less cooperative than Sessions’.
      Just as Nixon was pardoned “for the good of the nation,” this will be stalled to death and the dots of criminal seditious conspiracy will intentionally NOT be connected to avoid (deservedly) destroying the reputations of major three letter agencies.
      The VAST majority of our propagandized, inattentive and apathetic population doesn’t have a clue about how HUGE this scandal was and is, so if the dots aren’t officially connected in courts of law this scandal will only sell books and nothing adequate will be ever be done to punish the perps or fix the system that led to it.

      • Zippy says:

        BTW, think this is the first time something like this has happened?
        Here’s Deep Throat from Watergate, a DEMOCRAT leaking on a Republican president. He had actual crimes to ILLEGALLY leak instead of trying to manufacture crimes and smearing through illegal leaks as with SpyGate.
        Associate Director of the FBI Mark Felt
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Felt
        Prior to working at the FBI:
        “Felt then went to Washington, D.C., to work in the office of Democratic U.S. Senator James P. Pope… Felt stayed on with Pope’s successor in the Senate, David Worth Clark (D-Idaho).”

  82. This is why draining the Swamp shouldn’t be something that President Trump should get involved in. It will just going to be used against him. Leave it to the Office of Inspector General (OIG). And don’t take any phone calls from Ukraine. Ukraine is all swamp.

  83. Bogeyfree says:

    So if this turns out to be a shakedown on Ukraine, why is it hard for Americans to also accept that
    Uranium One was another shakedown or lining of pockets for money
    And
    The Iran Deal was another shakedown or lining of pockets for money
    And
    Benghazi was another shakedown or lining of pockets for money
    This just keeps going on and on…….
    What person has the intestinal fortitude to stand up and say enough is enough and truly expose all of this corruption and evil????
    Outside PT where are the true patriots? Are there any left in our government anymore?

  84. Ausonius says:

    The ultimate goal is to destroy the president by making the public either weary of yet another possible scandal, or to make the public believe that something must be wrong in the White House somewhere because so many accusations orbit around it today.
    Again, Hitler’s and Lenin’s method of repeating THE BIG LIE to weaken the resistance is at work.
    Protecting Biden & Son Inc. might be a subsidiary goal, but is not The Deep State’s/The DEMS’ ultimate goal.

  85. MLK says:

    Like I keep saying, timing is never coincidental.
    And, the confluence of contexts present here is striking.
    The first being the UNGA Day and the POTUS’s scheduled bilateral with Zelensky. Is it just me or is this already being teed-up as a replay of the Trump-Putin meeting histrionics?
    Second is, of course, the IG’s FISA Report and probable criminal referrals/indictments. There is no way in hell this “Whistleblower” nonsense is disconnected. My especially given Atkinson’s compromised position (you brilliantly explicate).
    Am I the only one to suspect that Old Joe is being tossed under the bus here to protect the 2016 conspirators through distraction and deflection?

    • Garavaglia says:

      Maybe. But, I think that if Joe bails now, it would be akin to admitting some kind of guilt concerning Ukraine. It would also expose McCain, Graham, Hunter, et all. He almost has to stick it out after getting all fake aggressive-like with Trump. Methinks they are in one hot mess, and the collusion/conspiracy ring is not nearly as shiny as it once was. I sense people are more and more desensitizes to it. Just my opinion.

      • Rynn69 says:

        Garavaglia: I don’t think Biden can bail. As bad as he is, there is NO WAY any of the others stand a chance whatsoever in a general election. They cannot move to the center as they have been shown to be too radical.
        True enough, Biden would do the same as any of the other Crazy Dem Communist candidates. But most Dem voters are too ignorant to see that. They think he is “moderate.” Plus, there is no way Wall Street will vote socialist.

        • MLK says:

          Biden isn’t going anywhere. My point is that the focus is on Biden & Son to distract/deflect from the Deep State Ukraine malefactions against candidate Trump.
          I think it’s pretty clear to the powers that be in the Democrat Party that old Joe ain’t up to it. He’d be Mondale ’84 with dementia. But he is the only one stopping the dam from breaking on blacks and Hispanics.
          In my view the POTUS is on track to win reelection in a landslide. If Affirmative Action Grifter Pocahontas is the Democrat nominee, mark my words, the POTUS will win over 20% of the black vote and perhaps more than 50% of the Hispanic vote.
          Old Joe is essential as a placeholder for the black and Hispanic vote at least until Spring of 2020.

          • Garavaglia says:

            One thing to keep in mind: As long as Joe Biden is in the public spotlight, often live, he is one demented statement from sinking his/their ship. he is a ticking/demented timebomb. Is that a risk they are willing to continue to make. Imagine him one on one with trump and this subject come up? Trump will destroy him and his son, and rightfully so.

            • MLK says:

              Sure. I doubt there is a single Democrat behind the curtain that thinks Joe is up to it. But, again, they are in great peril of losing a catastrophic percentage of the black and Hispanic vote. That is exactly what will happen if they nominate Warren. Which they may well do because she’s popular in the suburbs with Democrat ladies.
              My view for many months is that the Democrats will eventually have to decide whether they want a replay of McGovern ’72 or Mondale ’84. Joe’s recent travails add the perception of dementia to the latter choice.
              Obviously, all else being equal the Democrats want to pin a landslide loss on the Left/Progressives. But I think the party establishment realizes they will be displaced going forward. Besides, politics is big business. And no bigger than presidential politics. In other words, there’s too much money to be made for these establishment factions to give way.

        • Sherri Young says:

          Big Mike Obama has been kept politically clean and able to swoop in and try to save the Dimms at the convention next year.
          Their savior…married to their messiah…what a deal!

          • Rynn69 says:

            Sherri – Nope. Take it to the bank. Michelle Obama will NEVER run. EVER. Take it to the bank. Same with The Oprah.

    • Aeyrie says:

      Biden is what will be euphemistically called “collateral damage”. Won’t help them much in the end though. Only delaying the inevitable.

  86. Trump Train says:

    Any why not. There has been not one single consequence for the sedators and traitors for the last one other than some lost their jobs and have collected their bribe money.

  87. So, you have to ask….where were all the ‘whistle blowers’ when the so-called ‘soft coup’ was going down? Any white hats? Where’s the rank and file in all this? How could any of this be allowed to go this far, and still going on for that matter.

    • Rynn69 says:

      Yep. The only “white hats” are the Freedom Caucus in the House. Any attempts at placing a “white hat” into Congress, the Fed, or top levels of the executive agencies have been met with Swamp derail tactics. In the Senate, Lee is now corrupted. Cruz is ? That’s it. This is what American voters must fix. Out of 535 members of Congress – only some 30 are true representatives of the people.

  88. litlbit2 says:

    Great job again by the best, Sundance!

  89. Bogeyfree says:

    This is the second fraud and coup attack on PT and is exacting why HE MUST push harder to declassify and unredact everything.
    IMO he should also say that the American also deserve the truth on Uranium One and also Benghazi and he is also opening up new investigations of these and is going to declass everything on these two additional frauds on America and the American people.

  90. CTH Fan says:

    Schiff and rhe IG should be the people under investigation here.
    How did Schiff know about the whistle blower in the first place?
    Did the corrupt IG pass the information to him?
    This is not the first time Schiff has put this country in danger by hamstringing a POTUS from doing his constitutional duty with foreign leaders. Confidentiality is imperative for world leaders. How can we, as a nation form national alliances to keep our enemies in check when we have people in power that do not have our interest at heart.
    If we had an FBI that was not corrupt and a Justice Department that cared about our laws and security, Schiff and the IG involved would be under investigation. Schiff’s transgressions are a mountain high. This looks very preplanned to me.
    God Speed Mr. President

    • This had to come from the Executive Branch, not Barr or some “corrupt IG.” And ordinarily this would be seen as “a spy” and “a traitor” in the classical sense … the sort of spy who faces a firing squad or a hangman’s noose at dawn. History ordinarily shows no mercy here.

      • CTH Fan says:

        Thank you Mike. While, on reflection, I agree with your sentiment overall, I have to question IMO the motives of the IG in pushing this complaint forward as urgent knowing that it was hearsay. How can someone in that position with all their years of experience not know that this person would not be considered a whistle blower. I still want to know how Schiff was informed.

      • Sherri Young says:

        Mike, please check the video I posted a bit upthread. We have FBI embedded in Ukraine in what is supposed to be an anticorruption bureau.
        FBI and a McCain surrogate as our State Department’s Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations are sitting in Kiev in official capacities.

  91. eiouoeiuj says:

    The Onion? Schiff demands Special Counsel for this hoax as well.

  92. Remington says:

    This is misery on a daily bases. All caused by these demons. I see the resolution as a two step process. First get PT re-elected in 2020. Second, after he is sworn in, remove every one on these stinkin’ traders. Physically remove them, lock them up. It’s time to take care of…..family business….once and for all. Unpleasant as this may seem to some, it has to happen. They will not go away of their own accord. No way our Country can survive this kind of idiocy for the next four years.

  93. 0390ufiu says:

    The Onion? Ukraine and Russia hoaxes clearly demonstrate anti-white, anti Slavic bias on part of Dems. When making up hoax, why no consideration for its genesis being in Africa or involve Muslims?? RACISTS!

  94. Someone seriously needs to take the gavel out of these people’s hands, because in their mad zeal to “Get Trump” they now think nothing of doing irreparable harm to our nation’s diplomatic relationship to other sovereign states. “We’ll demand to turn your private conversation into our headlines, freely supplemented with false hearsay. We’ll put your nation squarely in the cross-hairs of our loathing of the man who wasn’t supposed to win. And, anytime you call our President or he calls you, the selfsame thing might now happen to YOU!”

  95. Bogeyfree says:

    I sure hope that Bongino, Sundance, Rush, Hannity, Tucker, Sara Carter, John Soloman all stay very focused on getting the truth about Ukraine out to the public.
    And I hope the RNC considers using the tape in ads to show and ensure Americans see and hear what really went down and what was said.
    Someone will eventually IMO post the transactions and amounts and once those are seen side by side with the bragging statement, level headed Americans can and will put 2 and 2 together and decide for themselves IMO.

  96. John Rawls says:

    This is simply more flack to confuse the lib base.
    There’s a “dossier” of evidence out there regarding the Bidens corrupt business practices in Ukraine.
    This is all about getting in front of that by miseducating the public about its origins, and making it seem like Trump admin initiated these inquiries, which is false.

  97. 6x47 says:

    Lawfare et al have such a clever plan, but remember the old axiom:
    “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
    It’s about time for the plotters to receive that punch in the face. Anytime you’re ready, AG Barr and US Attorney Durham.
    “Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?”

  98. Blue Wildflower says:

    My personal take on this is: every hard working American voter can easily understand what Joe Biden’s family has done to get rich. It is exactly what we think almost every politician has done. We are ready for this to be exposed! We are ready for our taxpayer day in court.

    • 6x47 says:

      It’s a fair point: Biden’s racket is so easy to understand, no complicated explanation required.
      Just like the House Post Office scandal back in the early 1990’s. Members of the House were using the House Post Office as a piggy bank, kiting checks and all sorts of shenanigans. An old guy I knew, a union man and staunch Democrat from FDR’s time, was so offended by the criminality of it he quit voting Democrat.

  99. Nessie509 says:

    I suggest tuning into MSNBC. They know the Trump/Ukraine scandal is Fake News.
    Discussions are focused on how people aren’t excited about the Trump/Ukraine Scandal because Trump/Russia was a dud.
    The Media knows. If Pelosi pulls the Impeachment trigger, Trump wins in a landslide and moderate Democrats in the House and Senate lose their seats in Congress.
    Rats!! Trump’s got them surrounded, again!

    • Jenevive says:

      Interesting I read that Joe Cunningham Dem of SC
      is currently running BEHIND the republicans whom
      I have no idea who they are.. But SC went heavily
      for POTUS and most of the rest of the state went Repu except
      around hilton head area which put in Cunningham..But now
      well….

    • Ma McGriz says:

      That so-called impeachment trigger is on a gun carved out of soap, and pelosi knows it.
      And she knows the President knows it, too.

  100. Blind no longer says:

    Pencil Neck threatening to withhold funding from Intelligence Community….. Go ahead Schitt for brains ” make our day”!!!!!

    • Beau Geste says:

      Please congressman schiff, don’t throw us in that awful briar patch where the “deep state intelligence community” loses funding.

  101. Bogeyfree says:

    IMO this is ALL about opening the door so HRC can get back in the game.

  102. albertus magnus says:

    Just more fodder for the tick-tockers. The Russia conspiracy was a product of the Clinton campaign/Obama Admin/DeepState. Nothing was done, is being done nor will be done.
    This Ukrainian conspiracy is a product of Ukrainian Government (legitimately?)/DeepState/Dems/MSM. Nothing was done, is being done, nor will be done.
    However, Hannity will have plenty of material for her monologues and Jarrett and others will be able to write and sell books. WHEEEEE!
    And justice in our country will continue NOT to be served.
    Trust the plan!

  103. Zippy says:

    Dan Bongino on Life, Liberty and Levin last night didn’t tell me a single thing I didn’t already know in greater detail than discussed, but Levin said he learned things. If that stuff is news to major conservative pundits imagine what 99.9% of the public knows.

    • GenEarly says:

      ” If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
      ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
      Communicate in the Real World to Real People, imo.

      • Until Barr starts indicting the coup plotters, the narrative will never change and the Democrat playbook continues. As I’ve said before, there are still no indictments, convictions or jail for anyone involved in the Russia collusion con. Referrals mean nothing!

        • Betty says:

          Until Barr learns that if he doesn’t start inditing the coup plotters we will do it ourselves the narrative will never change.
          A lawful action can be taken by citizen to seize the power to challenge corruption in our government via a Citizens Grand Jury.
          In Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota and Oklahoma, citizens can become engaged with via petitions to lawfully challenge corruption at the core of their government institutions to the highest level.

        • margarite1 says:

          Exactly. The left is not obstructed by the law and they’re relentless. The right sits on their hands…what can one conclude other than the GOP agrees with the left but just wants to keep up the facade of disagreement?
          Hard to discount that we’re being played ….by everyone except POTUS himself and some of his administration and a few honest patriotic people in the media.

          • Right to reply says:

            They are merely the same pig in a different mask. They attempt to thrash out new laws to prevent us from acting on the truth. I wonder if Orwell is watching…

        • Zippy says:

          “Until Barr starts indicting the coup plotters”
          MUCH MORE than just indicting the plotters is required. What IS required is actually CONNECTING THE DOTS officially instead of individually indicting (and prosecuting/convicting? – sorry, doubt it) a few players, treating each as -ISOLATED- transgressions or even just the targeted questioning of a FEW of the very MANY key players (where’s the complete Russia collusion premise -OBLITERATING- testimony Mifsud has claimed through his lawyer he’s willing to make that he was working for WESTERN intel?) in a timely fashion easily guided the clear road-maps already laid out here and in books?
          Sorry, it looks to me that in addition to the INCREDIBLE amount of foot dragging, connecting the dots is actually being religiously AVOIDED. Saving the credibility of a corrupt system “for the good of the nation” is what I suspect is the goal and since the VAST majority of the public has no idea whatsoever of the severity of this scandal, they know there will be no significant public backlash.

      • Zippy says:

        “Prosperity breeds idiots.” – Alexander Solzhenitsyn

    • John B says:

      Zippy, The show was not designed for those who hear/read these things everyday. It was designed to those who don’t have a clear understanding. The more people’s eyes are opened to the truth the better it is for the MAGA movement. How many people do you think were red-pilled last night? I listen to Bongino’s Podcast everyday and heard nothing new, but I was excited about his simplistic explanation to some who may not have been keeping up.

      • Zippy says:

        Levin had 2 million viewers back in Sep 2018, the figure I can find. There were 153 million registered voters in the US in 2018.
        So, 2/153 * 100 = 1.3% of voters got the story from Bongino on Levin, assuming 100% of Levin viewers are registered voters.

        • John B says:

          Zippy, You sure have a negative way of looking at things. What if 1/2 of those viewers are registered Democrats still on the fence about POTUS? Every single vote counts my friend.

          • Zippy says:

            “You sure have a negative way of looking at things.”
            A detailed knowledge of history breeds skepticism. From that and due to obvious current trends, I have ZERO faith that the system will self-reform by adequately revealing -OFFICIALLY- in adequate detail the SpyGate conspiracy and then adequately punishing the perps involved, the ONLY real deterrent to prevent future SpyGates, and ZERO faith in our voting public to provide the public pressure to demand that reform since it’s hard to demand reform WHEN YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA ABOUT THE SEVERITY OF THE SCANDAL.
            To repeat, from someone who’d know:
            “Prosperity breeds idiots.” – Alexander Solzhenitsyn

            • Zippy says:

              Here’s an example from history: the 15 YEAR LONG operation called COINTELRPO was only discovered ACCIDENTALLY through an FBI field office break-in that wasn’t even looking for it. While I agree with the program’s goals – countering communist influence in the US – the methods used were hugely illegal and egregiously violated the Bill of Rights. Yet, no one of any significance that I can find went to jail over it.
              And some people believe the government has become less CYA cover-up prone and ADEPT since then?

    • mark says:

      Zippy, your post sums it up pretty well. I encountered TDS yesterday in my golf outing. You know, I know and the rest of the Treepers know but 99.9% of the rest of the country DOESN’T know the facts.
      It’s pretty bad out there. People just say President Trump is a crook and belongs in jail. Why? They can’t tell you WHY but they just know he’s guilty of something cuase they saw it on the MSM. You can say names like Mifsud, Downer, Poppa D. heck even LT. GEN. Mike Flynn and they might have heard of one name but they have no grasp of the facts or timeline.
      That’s it for me! There needs to be some perp walks at 5am with guns drawn. They are controlling the narrative we have to change that to start getting the info out in the main steam. The TDS people may not understand the arrests but they will have to get knowledgable to be able to talk rationally.
      Hey if the IG over at the ODNI, Mike Atkinson, has done anything wrong well, he is still a Government employee. Come on Bagpipes here is your battle cry. Or maybe since the whistle blower isn’t covered by whistle blower protection, come on Bagpipes, 5am raid.
      That’s it for me.

      • Zippy says:

        “It’s pretty bad out there. People just say President Trump is a crook and belongs in jail. Why? They can’t tell you WHY but they just know he’s guilty of something cuase they saw it on the MSM.”
        A study has shown that 6 out of 10 Americans ONLY read typically click bait HEADLINES that are often not even accurate representations of the article content which is NOT read and then share them as fact with friends.
        Retractions/corrections are never headlines.
        You couldn’t design a better system to manipulate/propagandize an inattentive public.

      • The control of information is something the elite always does, particularly in a despotic form of government. Information, knowledge, is power. If you can control information, you can control people.
        Tom Clancy

      • Tom says:

        I think you are failing to grasp one simple fact. Democrats don’t care what it takes to impeach Trump, and that includes man on the street Democrats. The ends justify the means to them because they want to believe what they have been told. It’s the Mamet principle and cognitive dissonance all rolled into one. So, all the dot’s can be connected and a presentation can be given to each and every one individually in power point form. They would walk away in the end saying, but, but, but. Russia, but Ukraine…………………..
        Once they have bought into Orange man Bad, their is no amount of facts that will turn them from what they see as the truth. What’s the quote? It’s easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

        • mark says:

          How about Lawfare? FOIA violations, LTG Flynn? Upwards of 425 and probably all 90 or so of the other 100 involved in FOIA violations. I have no proof mind you but how do you become a millionare. Start with the Podesta brothers. Didn’t they refile after the fact? Same with Flynn but no Flynn intentionally entered wrong info, REALLY? What the HELL was KERRY doing in Iran?
          Where is our side of LAWFARE??? Come on it doesn’t take much to get someone to turn if stiff sentances are applied. This coup attempt is so massive and just the tip of the iceberg, 1 thread pull will unravel most of the garment but it better happen SOON cause most of the Nation is already gone.
          If they ever repeal 2A that’s it folks game over or Civil War. Think it can’t happen here in the good ol USA, It’s 2019 and Venesuala, Hong Kong, Yellow Vests in France, Brexit, slaughtering Christians and babies everywhere and here in the USA we have no idea what the CIA is doing or even what their budget is.
          Sorry rant over but I think I just lost a lot of hope that JUSTICE will prevail.

          • GenEarly says:

            I realize my posts are getting to be a broken record, But We must be Pre-pared for surprises from the Proggie Deep Staters. Who knew the Feral Gov BATF and later FIB were going to sponsor a massacre in Waco?
            I hope and pray We do not sit idly by if they pull another one. We should expect more mass shootings as they attempt to implement our eventual disarmament. It’s just history repeating itself, Tyrannies always disarm the populace beforehand.

    • ruckustom says:

      Watch those man on the street interviews the late night shows do sometimes where they ask the man (or woman) on the street to name a Supreme Court justice, or who won the Civil War, or who the vice president is, or … 99.9% might be low when it comes to Russia! Russia! Russia or, now, Ukraine! Ukraine! Ukraine!

      • Tl Howard says:

        How about this one: “From what country did we win our independence in the Revolutionary War?”

        • vladdy says:

          Saw that one. Kid didn’t know. Parents didn’t know. Grand-dad knew.
          Then I saw one where the outlines of continents were, and college students were asked to pick out the US. Most could not.

    • Alan Reasin says:

      I wondered too. But even FNC is lax on details and dot connecting. So if FNC is remiss, what about the MSM. My wife has met three well educated, intelligent women recently that are so progressive that they don’t even acknowledge that the Mueller report cleared Trump. As Dan says, progressives will not change, you are trying to educate the listeners to the discussion.
      A friend who is a progressive believes everything that CNN and MSNBC reports on Trump. Then he found out I was a climate denier, he went off on me and would not listen to my points based on my research on scientific information on the sun’s impact. So I’m a double evil person now, it seems. We have a group dinner this week and I expect the whistle blower info to cause a friendly attack on Trump and me. Such is life, but I am thick skinned and he alienates more people than he realizes.

    • Justin Green says:

      Levin is too busy selling books to pay attention to what’s going on.

    • Peppurr says:

      Yes, I was surprised by his remark.and agree with you.

  104. Bogeyfree says:

    Has McConnell even said a word on this whole Ukraine BS??
    I wonder why we have heard NOTHING from the Republican leader in the Senate.

  105. doohmax says:

    Everything that is done by the Democrats and the Media is to remove Trump from office before 2020 or place him under some type of legal indictment so that they could argue he is not eligible to run again. Remember that. There is no other agenda that the removal of President Trump. The Progressive Movement/Globalists cannot allow Trump to serve 4 more years with the possibility of a Republican Congress majority. This is their Armageddon.

    • cattastrophe says:

      I see no Armageddon for the left if we don’t stay totally involved socially and politically from now until forever.

  106. Bogeyfree says:

    FOLLOW THE MONEY!
    I wish they could audit the bank accounts of many involved in U1, Benghazi, Iran, Ukraine and Russia Collusion to see if any significant sums of money flowed into people’s pockets.
    If they did, I wonder just how many people this would expose and does it touch all branches of government? Would it be a few dozen, a few hundred?
    My bet is thousands over the years which is why no one comes forward and why there appears to be zero true patriots in government anymore.

    • Old Dawg says:

      You’ve nailed it! I’ve thought the same for a long, long, time. The corruption thread runs unbroken throughout the entire fabric of government, government bureaucracies, and bureaucrats. Pulling it will “touch” thousands of “honest public servants”. LOL The term “swamp” is a misnomer, as a swamp is a viable ecosystem, i.e., it is a place of life. In truth, DC is a cesspool and cesspools are anaerobic places of death and decay. It doesn’t need draining, it needs to be completely excavated and refilled with living integrity. I fear the aforementioned can only occur by revolution.

      • Ray Runge says:

        You are entering the hobgoblin world of political finance. Disguising the transfer of money is almost as old as corruption and bribery.
        Foundations, charities, Various LLC’s, and even business interests some steps removed are common devices employed to confuse the person following the scent of the money.

        • TheLastDemocrat says:

          Yes. And think of how this would look if you took one of these cases to court.
          There is always just enough legitimacy to any of these quid pro quo deals to make it arguably legit. The scam becomes apparent when you look at the overall picture. But in a court, this requires asking a jury to consider a complex nefarious scheme, and then consider whether the pattern of otherwise legitimate financial transactions fits the overall complex nefarious scheme.
          The prosecutor has to rely on maligning the intentions of everyone involved, and all being willing participants, or at least willfully ignorant.
          Defense: just shrug and act dumb. “We hired these contractors to do “navigation” for Obamacare sign-up because they had a decent-looking contract submission.” “We hired these people to design Obamacare website because they had a good bid.” Shrug.
          The prosecutor will sound about as reasonable as when we look at clouds and describe what we see in the clouds. Tilting at windmills. Seeing conspiracies everywhere.

        • Sherri Young says:

          …cool big-sounding do-nothing jobs for close relatives of implicated person…

    • Julian says:

      They could.
      Just need an AG using subpoenaes for this type of thing.

  107. Zippy says:

    The Biden thing will go nowhere just like the zero-dot-connecting SpyGate “investigation.” Graham is only NOW calling for an investigation of something that has been KNOWN for how long now? Pffft!

    • Julian says:

      I knew about it in 2014 wrt to Biden & Burisma and Obama, Nuland & Biden & Pyatt et al carrying out an illegal coup to depose the elected President of Ukraine, but then again I’m a regular Joe.
      Miss Lindsey is a very busy woman in Congress.

    • Ray Runge says:

      Joe has already cooperated by making the campaign commercial. A braggodocio statement of the enforced bribe to depose the pesky state prosecutor is pure gold.

  108. Joemama says:

    I was too young to follow the details during the Nixon / Watergate episode & was to busy going to college to pay attention to the MSM abuse of Ronald Reagan. CTH’ers have suggested that Watergate was a construct very similar to FISAgate – phony accusations and then impeachment for “obstructing” a phony investigation.
    Two questions:
    1. Was Watergate similar to FISAgate and now the new Ukraingate impeachment scam?
    3. How did President Reagan avoid getting entrapped by an impeachment scam?

    • Niagara Frontier says:

      I’ll take a stab at the second part. Just take a look at the electoral maps from 1980 and 1984. Regan had too much popular support.
      1980: Ronald Reagan (489), Jimmy Carter (49)
      1984: Ronald Regan (525), Walter Mondale (13)
      Deep state was most likely afraid of the backlash. It doesn’t mean they didn’t give it the good old college try with Iran-Contra.

      • GenEarly says:

        Reagan narrowly escaped death in his first term. Bush the Elder was poised to conveniently become POTUS. The Elder was also conveniently involved in the death of JFK earlier.
        Bushie-Clintoon Cartel has ruled ever since Reagan until Trump.
        This is a CW, Patriots against the NWO Deep State to the end, no quarter given or asked.
        Think ahead, outside the normal political box, a plan B would be prudent, if We intend to survive longer term.
        ProgreSSive Tyrants never, ever stop of their own accord, that is a historical fact, cya.

        • Niagara Frontier says:

          I was going to include in my reply “somebody named Hinkley did something” but deliberately left that out. Just thinking about that even this many years later still gives me the shakes over what might have happened.

        • ann says:

          Power, once attained, is not given up voluntarily.
          To place our destiny in a legal process that has been broken for thirty + years is unrealistic.

        • Deb says:

          God saved both Reagan and Pope John Paul II from assassins bullets so they could take down communism in Europe.
          And now we let it in the back door of our universities.
          Shame on us.

      • amjean says:

        I suspect the answer lies with the media bias; it wasn’t 100% against Reagan at that time.

        • GenEarly says:

          80% against Reagan, yet he won 49 states for re-election. It took Pappy Bush to destroy the Reagan Revolution from Inside the RinoeRepub Party.
          Bushie-Clintoon ProgreSSive Cartels were United to usher in the Criminal NWO under Chicoms Domination.
          If Equal Justice is not restored then there will be a CW. Think Ahead based on past Communist history, here and worldwide. Pre-pare, it is called PRE for a reason!!!
          We must fully implement the 2nd Amendment Now. Buy/Own a Rifle and 1500 minimum rounds of ammo.

    • Julian says:

      How about getting shot by someone closely connected to the former head of the CIA – and Reagan’s VP – George Bush.

    • bessie2003 says:

      “3. How did President Reagan avoid getting entrapped by an impeachment scam?”
      I would say a major reason was due to the testimony of Col. Oliver North that was held on national television during the Iran-Contra construct.
      It has been said that those sitting in the congressional hearing room, especially the nightly news anchors, knew, knew, knew without a shadow of a doubt that all their accused, whether North, his secretary, or Reagan, were guilty of something yet –
      and this is the beauty of hindsight – the American viewing public saw forthrightness, honesty, integrity in every answer Col. North gave.
      I remember one news anchor openly opining, whether he knew he was on air at the time or not I can’t remember, but he couldn’t understand for the life of him why the American people were so smitten with Col. North’s testimony, couldn’t the people see his guilt, he went on to say something about how everyone in the room could see the Col. oozing with guilt or something like that. The reaction by the American citizens. running counter to the narrative, made the politicians choice very clear – they could push their narrative and build up toward impeachment, or lose their next election.

  109. Concernedcitizen says:

    And the identity of the “whistleblower” is…Michael Atkinson.

    • Bluto says:

      or Sue Gordon.

      • Concernedcitizen says:

        Could be. More than likely, the “whistleblower” was a cabal of Deep State operatives who were sanctioned by Atkinson. In other words, Atkinson was the “whistleblower-in-chief”.

        • jnr2d2 says:

          According to LJ Keith at CDN the whistleblower is in the staff of the National Security Council, and is on loan from DNI! He writes rarely, but has been spot on.

          • cboldt says:

            Thanks for that. It makes lots of sense. In the loop at the WH, chose a path to get the accusation out there, assist from Atkinson.

  110. olddog35 says:

    From the report on the results of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine July-December 2018;
    “MAIN CAUSES OF CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE IN THE CITIZENS’ OPINION”
    The lack of adequate punishment for corruption was overwhelmingly listed, (by 80%), as the main contributor.
    I 100% agree with this.
    C’mon Mr. Barr- What you are tolerating, you are promoting!
    https://nabu.gov.ua/sites/default/files/reports/report_eng_1.pdf

  111. Jonathan Galt says:

    What foreign official will have an open and frank discussion with Trump if they know the transcripts
    Will be leaked?
    This takes out Trump’s ability to negotiate. It also could be political suicide in the Foreign leader’s home country. Lawfare can take out both leaders with one stone. It’s insidious.

    • bessie2003 says:

      Quote from then citizen Donald J. Trump:
      “When people wrong you, go after those people because it is a good feeling and because other people see you doing it. Go for the jugular so that people watching will not want to mess with you. Think Big.”
      I think the American people, and the world, are going to see this demonstrated in a very Big way. Have no idea how it’s going to come about – but come about it will. I have no doubt. Think the phrase Big Ugly will get its chance to shine.

      • StanH says:

        Bingo Bessie! Our great President Trump is not an aww…shucks type of guy. I’m sure he devotes a certain amount of time, in his 20 hour workday to figure out how to get even with these swamp creatures.
        KAG! ….by keeping the faith.

    • jnr2d2 says:

      One simple solution is do everything in private one on on, no transcripts! Only potential leak is then the translator – unless the foreign leader speaks English!

  112. Sherri Young says:

    It is possible that the leak may have originated in Ukraine. We have someone with the pedigree of a McCain swamp monster on the ground over there and in a sensitive position.
    https://www.state.gov/biographies/kurt-volker/
    This phone call may have been one of those that was conducted with other persons in the room on the Ukranian side of the conversation.
    I wrote a big, too long comment on the garden rake thread and unwittingly posted it after this thread was started. Here’s the link in case anyone wants to go down that rabbit hole. Weapon sales are at stake in Ukraine and Ukraine was a topic in the Carter Page FISA.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/21/despite-warnings-media-steps-on-a-rake-with-whistleblower-story-ukraine-government-initiated-contact-giuliani-engagement-was-requested-by-state-dept-officials/comment-page-4/#comment-7382841

    • Elle says:

      I’ve been thinking about the Ukraine being a topic in the FISA and it seems very interesting. It makes me wonder if we aren’t nearing end-game. One thing about the Clintons is their public modus operandi when caught has always been, “I know you are but what am I”. Bill was the “Education President” etc. Just say the opposite and have the media make it so.
      So that the globalist coup plotters came up with “Trump is Putin’s stooge” may show what they were ultimately most afraid of was the Ukraine. They knew the weapon’s sales and other corruption would come out. It is VERY damaging.. That the the Obama/Clinton team chose the “Trump is Putin’s stooge” way back when may have been as much about the being able to deal with the fallout of the Ukraine as it was with the spying.
      I say I wonder if we are nearing endgame because we are just hearing the Ukraine now. The Trump side would have known about this early on. And yet they are just letting us know about it now, when the “Trump is Putin’s Stooge” has lost it’s power after 2.5 years of exposing the corruption, the players and the media. Back in 2017, Putin’s stooge would have been effective. Today, it just calls attention to the failed Mueller report.

  113. Beau Geste says:

    Here is an alternative hypothesis. hillary/DNC foreign activity in the ukraine to attack Trump in the 2016 election is going to come out. The foreign collusion, funding, graft of the DNC/hillary 2016 criminality is much worse than that even alleged against DJT in the russia! Russia! coup scam.
    So this is an effort to argue that President Trump is conspiring with the ukranians, justlike hillary/DNC, so no big deal… certainly no criminal big deal as proved by PDJT defending himself.

    • Judith says:

      That had crossed my mind as well. They set up PDJT with this phone call, to make it appear he did whatever the UNiparty is later accused of.
      But there is something *else* about the Ukraine that came to a head, on or about the time that Edward Snowden sought exile in Russia. I believe this led to the Russia *accusations* they saddled President Trump with, making it all but impossible to continue his presidency had he ventured into that “no go zone.”
      Ukraine is obviously deep swamp territory. My take is they will try to get PDJT to make a misstatement, and then they’ll release part of the recorded conversation to entrap him.

  114. barnabusduke says:

    I’ll be so happy when we get to see all of this bite Schiff (and the rest) in the butt!

  115. Elle says:

    “Yes, that means Michael Atkinson [the guy who accepted the ridiculous premise of a hearsay ‘whistle-blower‘ complaint] was Senior Counsel for the DOJ-NSD, at the very epicenter of the political weaponization and FISA abuse.”
    Wow, if I was in on the coup, this fact would give me cold sweats at night. Why? Because this sounds to me like they are letting all of these people continue to operate so that they can get convictions. The coup participants current desperate measures are showing the American people, in real time, how they do it and while we were shocked the first time at the depth of their arrogance and depravity, this time the American people are annoyed. Even if this is not like a mob infiltration RICCO thing, the coup plotters should still get cold sweats at night because the American people are now angry that these psychos are wasting time and money playing games when we all want to move on. Doing a round two is exposing them all to us, especially the media.
    And that’s bad for the coup plotters. It’s like watching Betty Broderick saying it was all her husband’s fault that she murdered him in cold blood. The first time, if the media had enough control, they might have be able to convince us her husband drove her to it. Were she to murder a second husband, there is just no way to spin it that will convince anyone but a few wanna-believers.
    No amount of media control can put this genie back in the bottle. They are in quicksand, the more they fight, the faster they sink.

    • California Joe says:

      So, let me get this right. The highest echelon officials of the DOJ, FBI, CIA, State Department, and members of Congress with the help of embassy staff overseas and foreign intelligence services from Italy, Australia and MI6 in the UK attempted a coup against the President of the United States and members of his family by framing him for a crime that not only he didn’t commit but a crime that never even happened. The response for the most egregious sedition in the 250 year history of the United States initiated by the Republican Attorney General appointed by President Trump is to have a federal prosecutor based in Connecticut assemble a “review team” of several lawyers, paralegals and secretarial support staff in Washington DC to assess what happened! Am I on Mars????

      • Elle says:

        I’m not sure I understand your comment. To clarify my point, I don’t think a review team is all that is going on. The reason Atkinson would give me cold sweats if I was Carlin or McCord is because it just seems too easy.
        Hey look! Here’s a rope hanging from the rafters. Can you come over here….stand on this chair, …..can you show me exactly how it happened?

  116. tozerbgood8315 says:

    Haven’t read all the comments yet, and don’t know if someone already postulated this possibility.
    Whistle Blower based on hearsay, and the Ukrainian gov’t says there was no pressure from Trump – backing Trump’s version..
    Hmmm… could this possibly be a set up for the dems & the media, so we could sit back and watch them make fools of themselves, while at the same time exposing Joe Biden?
    What if the WH knew about the anti-Trump sentiments of this person (that is currently known as the “Whistle Blower”), and had someone tell this person about Trump’s phone call… and then speculate with that person about the possibility of Trump making “promises”.
    And the left fell right into the trap.
    Pure diabolical speculation on my part of course – LOL.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/52105/trump-here-are-some-big-updates-my-latest-fake-james-barrett

    • I’ve suspected that this is mole-trap. Just like the Page-FISA-date-change sent to SSCI.
      That revealed that SSCI staffer James Wolfe was sending un-redacted classified information to his mistress at the NYT, Ali Watkins. Both got a pass because it ALSO implicated Sen. Mark Warner.
      I suspect (hopefully, blissfully?) that Trump’s new DNI is playing wicked mindgames with DNI staff, ICIG staff, and Schiff & Co., by SUGGESTING that Confidential & Top-Secret (whistleblower complaint & Presidential call transcript) were marked to trace leaks.
      Of course, this raises the possibility that SOMEBODY in the DNI’s office will have the sense of poetic justice to release a tagged-transcript, something to help the mole-hunt.
      I would suggest just going full-throttle and making liberal minds meltdown.
      –Trump- Hey, Zelensky, did you know, we have recordings of Rep. Adam S█████ co████████ing with Russians? I’ll send them to you. —

    • If anyone told anyone else about that phone call that the President did not disclose himself, that person committed a felonious diplomatic offense of the highest order, and “whistleblower” statutes don’t apply. Of course they are now trying to doublespeak it all away, but the damage is already done. Who’s now going to take a phone call from us, or make one, if If might show up tomorrow in the papers? A sacred trust that is key to international diplomacy has just been savaged. In other places and times, the responsible parties would have been shot at dawn.

  117. Patience says:

    Vice-President Biden –admittedly, on film– threatened to withhold giving US Government money
    to a foreign country
    in exchange
    that his son could continue to make money from that foreign country
    >is okay???
    That seems to be a lot more than “quid-pro-quo” and “abuse of power”.

  118. drjorey says:

    Fox reported last night that Schiff would “de-fund” the intelligence community….for whatever reason this is an excellent start to shutting down this corrupt criminal enterprise known as the US Congress

  119. drjorey says:

    Last night Fox reported that Schiff would “de-fund” the intelligence community….for whatever reason this is an excellent start to shutting down the corrupt criminal enterprise operating within the US Congress

  120. Beau Geste says:

    Because the “deep swamp intelligence community” spies on all politicians and other leaders, if he lasts long enough PDJT may ultimately have access to congressional corruption evidence which permits their enrichment on congressional salaries. Many relatives and “foundations” and “investments” are easy ways for china, russia, the (former) ukraine, israel, saudi arabia, even iran ($4.5 billion in unmarked cash to spread around) to make “investments” in our congresscritters and government officials.
    The NSA/CIA/FBI have it all. Harry Reid, Dianne Feinstein, Biden family wealth out of nowhere. Chelsea clinton’s $600,000 per year salary + “Board” memberships… What happened to quadaffy when he refused to make donations to the “clinton foundation”, like other mideastern countries…The hundreds of millions of crooked payments to the “clinton foundation”. Chinese “partnerships” for congresscritter family members.
    Do Joe Biden’s son, Chelsea, Harry Reid’s sons, Dianne Feinstein’s family business have such extreme talent to generate enormous wealth, independent of political quid-pro-quo?
    Congress is corrupt, and trying to protect itself from potential exposure by anyone “not in the crooked club”.

    • Elle says:

      The fact that what you write is common knowledge means they have already been exposed. What they are trying to do now is regain power by “other means”.

      • Beau Geste says:

        Elle, it is not “common-enough” knowledge.
        And the full, likely gigantic extent of congresscritter/government corruption known and documented by our spy agencies is not (yet) known. Remember the j. edgar hoover secret files he and his buddy clyde used to control congress? These files must be much more massive now that DChas become very wealth from enormous “lobbyist” spending and concentration (something like 6 out of the 10 most wealthy zip codes are suddenly now in the DC beltway-bribeway) and congress has become an attraction for amoral sociopaths.
        The corruptocrats are terrified of someone being President who is not in their uniparty crooked club. The Ukraine foreign corruption is a small start – IMF fraud, money laundering, DNC/hillary foreign collusion, biden-obama threat to withhold loan guarantees unless biden’s son (and kerry’s son?) are not investigated…
        Who can they turn to in congress? Are nadler, cummings, schiff, pelosi fearful for exposure of their “behind the scenes” political favors and financial enhancements being exposed? yep !!

    • LIG says:

      Don’t forget book deals and Netflix And fox boards for Obama and Ryan. Those look cleaner and Biden and Kerry were reckless.

  121. islandpalmtrees says:

    I can only wonder why “Obstruction 2.0 narrative” is not being addressed directly since the SSCI represents the single organization capable of executing this plan?
    I expect President Trump, will at some point shut down the SSCI or pull all of the teeth out of SSCI.

  122. mark says:

    Apparently John Sinnunu reads CTH. He was just on FOX at 11am and he could have been Sundance explaining his new white board. Almost word for word from Spygate 1.0 to Ukraingate 2.0.

  123. islandpalmtrees says:

    Can President Trump order the reorganization of SSCI?

  124. islandpalmtrees says:

    Listen: you can almost hear the conversation now. Trump, if you go after the SSCI then I will go along with Pelosi and call for your Impeachment. Guess who: Mitch McConnell.
    What would you do?

  125. MR52 says:

    To make sure that this get closer to the top I am re- posting JAS link to John Solomon’s article:
    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/462422-missing-piece-to-the-ukraine-puzzle-state-departments-overture-to-rudy?amp
    Good read, this caught my attention:
    “Then the Ukrainians hired a former U.S. attorney – not Giuliani – to hand-deliver the evidence of wrongdoing to the U.S. attorney’s office in New York, but the federal prosecutors never responded.”
    NEW YORK!!!!!!! Preet Bharara? Schumber? Chucky? Kavaugh Plotters, Clinton epicenter.
    Also, Bharara lives in Westchester. Isn’t that where Clinton lives?
    The New Yorker profile on Preet said that Dalya is a nonpracticing lawyer and the two live in Westchester
    Question, according to heavy, Preet has a net worth of 1.5 M. That is not very much for Westchester. Any chance he is bankrolled by someone else?.
    I tell ya, just have IG look at SDNY and you found the nest of hornets.

    • Elle says:

      Here’s the problem. The American people get that the Democrats are insanely corrupt, as are many republicans as well. So while this article is going to feed the left’s faithful base and maybe even win a few converts, everyone else’s eyes will be opened wide by this story.
      I pity the left right now. They been made to grovel and sell their souls and dignity over Kavanaugh and #metoo, they were made fools by the Mueller report, they have been forced to defend men taking over women’s sports, excusing gang rape, genital mutilation and Islam’s treatment of women, post birth “abortion” and it just goes on and on… and now…
      Now you want them to swallow Joe Biden’s son ginning up war and selling weapons for cold hard cash and dismiss it away? Good luck. Biden, sniffer of little girls is not a popular guy. If I were the left, I’d throw Biden under the bus and look away as fast as possible.

  126. islandpalmtrees says:

    Is Michael K. Atkinson related to Rush Atkinson?
    Rush Atkinson is the attorney on the Mueller team.
    Apparently, he worked at the Criminal Division’s Fraud Section at the Department of Justice. Prior to being appointed to the Muller team.

  127. LULU says:

    An excellent piece on something I knew little about:
    The Real Foreign Collusion Occurred Between Pro-Clinton Ukrainians And The DNC
    At a 2017 briefing, White House deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said:
    If you’re looking for an example of a campaign coordinating with a foreign country or a foreign source, look no further than the DNC, who actually coordinated opposition research with the Ukrainian Embassy.
    Very few people believed her.

    More here, where Elizabeth Vaugh lays out a convoluted story of the efforts to bring down Donald J. Trump… Hillary, the DNC (Debbie Wasserman Schultz), an operative named Alexandra Chalupa (who hated Paul Manafort) with aid, material assistance and comfort from the Ukrainian embassy.
    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/09/22/real-foreign-collusion-occurred-pro-clinton-ukrainians-dnc/
    Quite a read.

    • LULU says:

      Charles Grassley appears to have been the only one in Congress who questioned and expressed dismay over Chalupa’s failure to register as a representative of a foreign government (FARA) yet Michael Flynn’s charges included this.

  128. WSB says:

    I wonder if the secretary who answers the phone would like to make a statement about Atkinson continuing the plot against President Trump?
    The Honorable Michael K. Atkinson, Inspector General
    (571) 204-8149
    Reston 3 room E220, Washington DC, 20511
    Hotline Number: (855) 731-3260
    URL: http://www.dni.gov/index.php

  129. Bob Parker says:

    This constant, continued effort by Lawfare/Deep State should make it abundantly clear to President Trump & AG Candy Barr:
    PUT THE DAMN PEDAL TO THE METAL & START MOVING FORWARD AGRESSIVELY WITH YOUR COUNTER-STRIKE AGAINST THESE BASTARDS IMMEDIATELY!!!
    Little Adam Sch*tt, the Horndog Cummings, San Francisco’s own living walking, talking piece of human Feces Nancy Pelosi, EVERY DAMN 1 OF THEM need to be on DEFENSE & it Damn well better be sooner than later, gang.

  130. emeraldcoaster says:

    Wish we could fast-forward to the HPSCI’s Nunes and Ratcliffe questioning IG Atkinson.

  131. Lulu says:

    I am to the point where I think the only way to save the country would involve the public trial and execution of possibly hundreds of bureaucrats, politicians, and “reporters.” They have all conspired to remove a sitting president in service to international interests – how is that not treason?

  132. magatrump says:

    As long as Barr does not indict these traitors they will continue to feel embolden to torture our President. Please dear God let their be justice.

  133. Battleship Wisconsin says:

    Suppose you are the Democrats and you realize Donald Trump will certainly be reelected in 2020 unless you do something drastic.
    For example, the Democrats might impeach the president as a means of mobilizing their own voter base in a lawfare call to arms, while using the impeachment media circus as a means of psychologically suppressing the vote of Trump’s political base..
    Such a risky strategy on the part of the Democrats might be characterized as trusting in the fog of lawfare war to achieve a decisive political victory. It’s what you do if you are truly desperate.
    Suppose the Democrats do decide to go through with voting articles of impeachment. When is the best time for them to do it? The spring of 2020? The summer of 2020? The fall of 2020? In the weeks just before the 2020 election?
    If the House Democrats do vote to impeach Donald Trump at some point in 2020 before the election, how will their 2020 nominee be using the issue of impeachment in the fall campaign?
    For example, if a Senate trial hasn’t yet been held prior to the fall televised debates, will the Democrat’s 2020 nominee, in an alliance with the MSM’s debate moderators, accuse Donald Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors directly to his face in the middle of a debate?

    • It’s quite obvious now that the Deep State wants to finish their coup d’etat and they really don’t care if it’s a soft or a real one. The US Government is run from the inside-out to secure multi-billion dollar secret business deals for us, and if you discuss anything, even in a secret conversation with another head of state, now we’ll simply threaten to kill you over crimes that don’t exist.
      This is very quickly spiraling out of hand.

  134. Tazio Nuvolari says:

    They are now talking about executing President trump.
    Bill Weld suggests Trump could face execution over Ukraine phone call
    Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who is challenging President Trump in the Republican primaries, proclaimed Monday that the president committed treason through his controversial phone call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — adding that the punishment for treason is death.
    The statement drew a swift rebuke from the Trump campaign.
    “The media’s affliction with Trump Derangement Syndrome has driven them into an actual discussion of the proposed execution of the President of the United States,” communications director Tim Murtaugh told Fox News. “In severe cases of TDS such as this, immediate consultation with a physician is recommended.”
    Weld was responding to claims that Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate Hunter Biden — the son of former vice president and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden — and threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine as leverage. Trump has denied wrongdoing.
    “Talk about pressuring a foreign country to interfere with and control a U.S. election, it couldn’t be clearer. And that’s not just undermining democratic institutions, that is treason,” Weld said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “It’s treason pure and simple. And the penalty for treason under the U.S. Code is death. That’s the only penalty.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-weld-trump-ukraine-phone-call

  135. Alan Reasin says:

    As we have seen in the past, the government has ignored the rules about full disclosure to the defense and little happens. Gen. Flynn, Enron executives, Senator Stevens and others have been illegally screwed by government prosecutors, yet it continues. Cities and states defy federal laws, where you and I would go to jail, yet no federal indictments. Because most of the soft coup characters will be tried in DC, expect few convictions. Short of a mini-revolution or something similar to the NYC Civil War violent reactions to the government’s unfair drafting of immigrants over freed slaves or citizens who could buy themselves out of the draft, it is not clear what can be done.

  136. Deb says:

    I’m starting to agree with others who have said that Biden is only running to cover his crimes. Now an investigation of his corruption can be spun as a “political attack.” With the media in your pocket, you can afford to be brazen.

    • Beau Geste says:

      Deb, apologies if this has already been posted. Would the FISC issue a FISA Warrant on the bidens, knowing they are democrats, and not connected to President Trump?
      But Rudy Guliani thankfully IS on the case:
      Some outline of the biden’s financial acumen and business arrangements from zerohedge :
      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/giuliani-hits-bidens-new-3-million-ukraine-latvia-cyprus-money-laundering-accusation
      Rudy Giuliani claims that $3 million was laundered to former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, via a “Ukraine-Latvia-Cyprus-US” route.
      Also listed are alleged biden china “deals”. Note allegations about Kerry’s and Bulger relatives:
      • Hunter Biden and his partners created several LLCs involved in multibillion-dollar private equity deals with Chinese government-owned entities including Rosemont Seneca Partners – an investment firm founded in 2009 and controlled by Hunter Biden, John Kerry’s stepson Chris Heinz, and Heniz’s longtime associate Devon Archer. The trio began making deals “through a series of overlapping entities” under Rosemont.
      • In less than a year, Hunter Biden and Archer met with top Chinese officials in China, and partnered with the Thornton Group – a Massachusetts-based consultancy headed by James Bulger – nephew of famed mob hitman James “Whitey” Bulger (h/t @Guerrilla_Magoo for the correction).
      • ….
      • just twelve days after Hunter and Joe Biden flew on Air Force Two to Beijing, Hunter’s company signed a “historic deal with the Bank of China,” described by Schweizer as “the state-owned financial behemoth often used as a tool of the Chinese government.” …. Also in December 2014, a Chinese state-backed conglomerate called Gemini Investments Limited was negotiating and sealing deals with Hunter Biden’s Rosemont on several fronts. That month, it made a $34 million investment into a fund managed by Rosemont.
      The following August, Rosemont Realty, another sister company of Rosemont Seneca, announced that Gemini Investments was buying a 75 percent stake in the company. The terms of the deal included a $3 billion commitment from the Chinese, who were eager to purchase new US properties. Shortly after the sale, Rosemont Realty was rechristened Gemini Rosemont.
      Chinese executives lauded the deal. -New York Post

    • Ma McGriz says:

      But here’s the potential stick in their spokes:
      If the Ukrainians decide to prosecute, it’s game over for everybody but President Trump.
      It’s then out of US hands.
      And it looks as though the President has explicitly expressed his willingness to stay out of the way of any such investigation.
      It would flip their bike in a red hot hurry.

  137. Bogeyfree says:

    So hypothetically, let’s suppose you have a key or critical role in getting to the truth on everything and helping to uphold the rule of law for all in this country but you opt to pause to do nothing of substance.
    So by your inaction…….
    It could then contribute to PT possibly not getting re-elected in 2020.
    Which could then lead to socialism for this country.
    Which could then lead to an economic collapse in the US and the world
    Which could then lead to total anarchy in the US and the rule of law.
    How could anyone who is intelligent and in a position to expose the truth and help to uphold the rule of law choose inaction and not see what their inaction could lead to and not just for the country but what they could be leaving for their children and grandchildren for decades to come?
    How could anyone be that blind and selfish and not see what their inaction could cause?
    I just don’t get it!

  138. Right to reply says:

    All Trump has to do is declassify. Why won’t he?

    • Beau Geste says:

      Every time it looks like IG Horowitz coup-corruption report has massaged DOJ/FBI wrongdoing enough to cover for them (like before, there is “no evidence of bias…), some new dirt on hillary/obama/biden turns up. Now, allegations of scheming with Ukranian foreign government to hurt DJT’s election in 2016, diversion of IMF funds to hillary, hiding evidence of wrongdoing the new Ukranian government sent to the US State Department, and DOJ prosecuters in NY…..
      This means that the IG Report has to find some new phrases to excuse this newly-disclosed behavior, in addition to “lacked candor under oath…”
      It is really hard for the DOJ to come up with excuses. Maybe somethings like “checking account bank mistake in hillary/biden’s favor” or “ethical wardrobe malfunction”?
      So, every time something is declassified or “leaked”, it slows down the AG excuse machine…
      Maybe PDJT wants the AG and IG to “do something, anything rather than stall, so we know whether they are part of the swamp coverup, or part of the solution”?

      • Beau Geste says:

        Oops, I forgot inventing “extremely careless” to describe wiping out 30,000 subpoenaed emails on a non-secure server the FVI agreed not to take into custody, instead of the description criminal “gross negligence” that would be used by DOJ/FBI for ordinary citizens or anyone associated with PDJT.

    • John B says:

      Declassify what? His conversations? World leaders would never trust him again.

  139. Sherri Young says:

    Don’t know if this is correct or not. Throwing it out here for people to look over.
    https://twitter.com/MSH3RIDAN/status/1176134289878114306

  140. Fools Gold says:

    Yup! Same old schiff 2.0. Watch as Graham and the other cuck R’s stay quite 2.0. The only question in my mind is will we hear bag pipes 2.0 or “oh when the saints come marching in”…

  141. Benedict Comey says:

    Now that Ed Buck has been arrested, it’s only a matter of time before he rolls on Schiffylube…

  142. mostlyogauge says:

    How really great would it be if, when all of these conspiracy and soft coup investigations have completed, all the perps have been dealt with, President Trump is into his 2nd term (oops, almost typed 3rd, but I digress….), and he schedules a prime time speech to address all of the issues; he steps up to the microphone and says “Beep beep”!!! Whatever I’d be drinking would come out of my nose! Here’s hoping and praying for an outcome from all of this that is the best for our country.

  143. Another Scott says:

    I guess Joe Biden is just collateral damage in all this…maybe they are killing two birds with one stone….

  144. Jack Rail says:

    Well, we’ve gone from collusion with Russia to shady deals with Ukraine. Next will probably come something about Belorussia and after that Bulgaria or Albania or Moldavia or the Czech Republic or Slovenia or Slovakia or Croatia. There’s just so many of them European slavs to accuse Trump of saying hello to, or waving at, or smiling in the direction of, or nodding toward, or opening a door for, or tossing a quarter to,or breathing as he walked past.

  145. Jack Rail says:

    It’s all about distraction, keeping attention off Comey and Strzok and those guys so that suspicions can’t get too close to Brennan, who would cut bait and sell out Obama in a heartbeat. They want to keep this up until, they hope, they win in 2020 and Barama will be safe once and for all.

  146. islandpalmtrees says:

    Are they trying to protect Joe Biden because Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was also in on the threat?
    Joe Biden made the remarks during a meeting of foreign policy specialists. Biden said he, “Threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.” Biden suggested during his talk that Barack Obama was also in on the threat.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/bidens-made-big-money-selling-public-office-did-obama-know-rudy-giuliani-destroys-biden-crime-family-in-series-of-monday-tweets/

  147. islandpalmtrees says:

    Rudy seems to confirm that Obama was involved. Reason to call for Trump Impeachment in order to distract from Biden and Obama corruption?
    Rudy Giuliani: NEW FACT: One $3million payment to Biden’s son from Ukraine to Latvia to Cyprus to US. When Prosecutor asked Cyprus for amount going to son, he was told US embassy (Obama’s) instructed them not to provide the amount. Prosecutor getting too close to son and Biden had him fired.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/bidens-made-big-money-selling-public-office-did-obama-know-rudy-giuliani-destroys-biden-crime-family-in-series-of-monday-tweets/

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