Inspector General Michael Horowitz Testifies on Matters of High Interest – FISA, Comey, McCabe, SpyGate…

DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified before congress today on matters relating to the overall IG office.  However, with Democrat majority chairs refusing to call Horowitz for testimony on the recent Comey Report, republicans on the House Oversight Committee took advantage of the opportunity to ask questions about the FISA investigation and the prior IG reports on James Comey and Andrew McCabe.

The full hearing is below. However, to save time the key parts of the discussion are time sequenced and identified (each prompted, just hit play):

[@59:55] IG questioning by Rep. Hice begins to center on issues related to the IG report on FISA.  Mr. Horowitz discusses the current status of the FISA IG report as under rough draft review by AG Bill Barr, where decisions on classification are taking place.

[@01:11:55] Rep Steube asks Horowitz about the criminal referral for James Comey. The IG responds that both Comey and McCabe were referred for the same overarching issues relating to the leaking of FBI material to the media. One interesting aspect (amid many) in this segment is Horowitz noting there is more evidence toward the referral of McCabe than currently exists publicly.

Mr. Steube notes the stunning aspects about the DOJ Inspector General sending criminal referrals for both the Director of the FBI and Deputy Director of the FBI. Mr. Steube goes through the three prior IG reports (Clinton Investigation, Andrew McCabe and James Comey).

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[@01:16:26] Rep. Jim Jordan takes over from where Steube was and asks Horowitz if any Committee Chairman has asked him to testify. Horowitz confirms that neither Chairman Nadler nor Chairman Cummings has asked for IG testimony. Democrats are attempting to hide the investigative findings.

Additionally, Rep. Jordan outlines how the Comey report shows the former FBI Director acting in an investigative capacity to question President-elect Donald Trump.

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[@01:22:40] Ranking Member Mark Meadows takes-up where Jim Jordan left-off. Meadows outlines some of the specifics around James Comey’s leaks to the media; pointing out that Comey’s testimony to congress conflicts with some aspects of the IG report on James Comey. Mr. Meadows notes that he and Jim Jordan anticipate sending an investigative referral to the IG based on the contradictions.

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[@01:27:55] Rep. Grothman asks questions about the “small group” within the FBI being “shocked” and “stunned” to discover the FBI Director leaked FBI investigative material to the media.

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[@01:29:50] Rep Grothman yields the balance of his time to Jim Jordan. Rep Jordan then asks additional questions about exactly who was in the “small group” who had a debriefing immediately following the meeting between James Comey and President-elect Trump.

James Baker, Jim Rybicki, Andrew McCabe and likely Lisa Page and Peter Strzok were part of the team debriefed by James Comey at the conclusion of the meeting with President-elect Trump.

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301 Responses to Inspector General Michael Horowitz Testifies on Matters of High Interest – FISA, Comey, McCabe, SpyGate…

  1. fanbeav says:

    So this hearing was only on CSPAN and not the major news networks? If house oversight won’t call Horowitz, why can’t Senate call him and have public hearings? No way this FISA abuse can be covered up by democrats!

    Liked by 23 people

    • Phflipper says:

      Call, email or shout! But let your representative know you want Horowitz to testify. The Democrats berate the President and his people for covering up the truth while yet again, it is the Democrats trying desparately to hid the truth.

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    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      Democrats and the media can cover up the exposure of it to the American public to some extent but what they can’t hide is real life consequences like indictments..
      Also team Trump is since early ’17 working on informing the public slowly but surely and the seeds are already planted. I expect our R’s to make a lot of noise now..

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      • franz dorn says:

        Minority leader McCarthy has been lately. I know he has a,RINO establishment type of past. He seems to be more trustworthy than Graham over the last two years. What am I missing?

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    • ezpz2 says:

      I couldn’t even find it on C Span – at least not live.

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    • The media will refuse to report any of this to any extent until or unless someone gets indicted, at which time they will begin to – with a straight face – scream that it’s political retribution by Trump…..which is why House Dems needs to make believe they’re about to impeach the guy in the first place……. to give them an excuse.

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      • The Democrats, particularly on the Judiciary Committee, have not yet paused to consider that “there was and still is a top-level conspiracy to topple the Presidency” is becoming Public Truth, “… and you are the spear-head of it.”

        You can only say “conspiracy theory” for so long before the word, “theory,” melts away. If anyone ever wondered what the term “high crimes” means … well, this is it. It won’t take people too long to realize that Mr. Nadler is a co-conspirator.

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        • Zorro says:

          Yes, either wittingly or unwittingly.

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          • NevadaSmith says:

            I think “witlessly” is closer to the mark…

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          • Given the “mad intensity” with which these Committees have doggedly pursued this one goal, at the expense of every other possible topic of legislative business, I would say that it’s probably not “unwittingly.” They are all very firmly in the hands of these “Lawfare” attorneys, who are making a ton of money from them while dispensing terrible legal advice. (I’d love to find out who first hired them …)

            No, these people are “the spear-point.”

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            • Jimmney says:

              Lindsey Graham, has not done a damn thing. I hate even hearing his name. The news cycle spins so fast, we tend to forget most of anything.

              It’s a bitch fest for the daily topics. Guess the train keeps moving.

              Would love Sundance to show us what has passed with out answers.

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            • trialbytruth says:

              It is one dull.spear

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            • jebg46 says:

              Lawfare is widespread. In cahoots with Obama, Holder, George Soros they are using the courts to stop President Trump. That’s why Holder went to work in California and Soros funded many AG campaigns. For the past 3 years there have been lawsuit and nationwide injunctions for everything PDJT tries to do.

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              • BitchyPants says:

                Not sure if this is related, but my relative in S. Texas says that small census offices are popping up everywhere – especially in the lower income areas and they are working long hours – wasn’t Holder/Obama on a mission to re-district certain States they wanted to flip?
                Hope someone is watching this on a higher level…

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                • Judith says:

                  There is more than one approach to watch out for when it comes to gerrymandering districts.

                  Through their redoubled HUD REZONING efforts, where a MEGA development is built within a (formerly) red district, in the name of workforce, golden age, mixed-use and sustainable housing. Take your pick. All are buzzwords for UN’s Agenda 21 New World Order.

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    • stripmallgrackle says:

      Democrats will initiate events to create their own headlines, hoping to push any IG, AG, DOJ findings out of the news cycle, or at least to marginalize it. For now it appears that the “opposition” flack will present nothing more substantive than saying, “Lies. lies, lies”

      Cue the Thompson Twins.

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    • A2 says:

      I just finished watching it on a Fox News link

      Liked by 1 person

    • Ordinaryman says:

      Right! Senator Lindsey Graham will be right on this. (sarc)

      Liked by 3 people

    • lemontree says:

      I couldn’t find it on CSPAN on cable but did find it on FOX News YouTube feed. It’s where they hide all the sub-committee hearings.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Sundance has made it clear that all of the Senate is corrupt to include the SSCI.. So it follows, we can expect no help from the Senate now or in the future.

      More detail can be found in the referenced in Sundance’s article.

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    • BV Conservative says:

      As if the Senate has any interest in exposing FISA abuses. The GOP led Senate Intelligence Agency was part of the coup attempt.

      Liked by 11 people

    • snellvillebob says:

      Because Lindsey Graham is the Chair of the Senate Judicial Committee.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Lindsay Graham has said Horowitz will appear before his committee. When, I don’t know.

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    • RogerB says:

      Why didn’t Horowitz have a copy of his own report when answering questions?

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      • BitterC says:

        Horowitz didn’t bring a copy of the Comey report because that was not the reason/subject for the hearing. There were 2 other IGs there

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        • swimeasy says:

          Agreed BitterC and kudos to the Repubs on this committee for the planned workaround otherwise the most pressing threat to our Republic would be completely buried.

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      • mopar2016 says:

        I was thinking the same thing RogerB. I don’t think it was a coincidence that he didn’t have a copy.

        When Cory was on the hot seat yesterday, they found a copy of the Mueller report and gave it to him right away.

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      • The Boss says:

        By NOT bringing reports unrelated to the topic of the hearing, Horowitz avoided charges of “colluding” with the Republicans. He was still able to answer questions without having off-topic materials on the table. See how that works?

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    • Ray Runge says:

      Ms. Leslie is too busy organizing a war with Iran. Next question?

      Liked by 2 people

    • Dutchman says:

      fanbeav,
      Silly question. The Senate RepubliCONS want to cover up the truth JUST AS MUCH as Democrats.

      So why would THEY (R’s) call Horowitz?
      I am sorry, are you still harboring under the illusion we have a “two party” system in this country?

      Well, fb, theres no easy or gentle way to say this, so I’m just gonna have to rip the bandage off;
      We DO NOT HAVE A TWO PARTY SYSTEM.
      We have one Uniparty, with two faces for public consumption.

      The,Republicons are NOT “the party of Stupid”, nor are they cowardly, lazy, or greedy (well they ARE greedy, but thats not why they behave the way they do).

      They do it because they are COMPLICIT.
      They were complicit on Fast and Furious, the plan to vreate an international crises, in order to justify abrogating the 2nd Amendment.
      RepubliCON leadership were complicit;
      THATS why they covered it up.
      (Investigations that went no where, cause “nothing to see here, move on”.)

      Congressional RepubliCONS were complicit in Lerner/FBI/Tea party scandal. Hell, THEY were the beneficiaries, as it was Congressional leadership the Tea party threatened with primarying.
      The Republicons were complicit, and so covered it up.
      The Republicons were complicit in Benghazi, with gang of eight and SSIC fully aware Hillary was supplying weopons to ISIS in Syria and Lybia.
      They were complicit, and so covered it up, exonerating hilldebeast “What difference does it make?” Clinton.

      They were ‘in on’ the MOU between the CIA, which enabled the FBI to gain access to the NSA database, on U.S. citisens without a FISA warrant, stating in 2012. They were recipients of the research, and used it to blackmail, in order to effect policy.
      THEY WERE COMPLICIT

      They were complicit in the MidYear Exam, to exonerate Hilldebeast Clinton, for her bathroom server, and McConnell and Ryan were rooting for Hillary to win in 2016.

      And yes, the Congressional Republicon leadership were enthusiastic about the sloppy soft coup attempt to set up PDJT in an obstruction trap, so they could have an excuse to vote to impeach.

      They ARE Complicit. They ARE the enemy.

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      • Bubby says:

        Dutchman I agree! As Grandma once posted we have a “fake Congress and a fake (southern) wall”! I have finally realized to my great dismay and sadness we are no longer a Constitutional Republic but a completely corrupted hybrid where elections are held to fool/placate the electorate every two years but really have no consequence on the center of power! I remember what Sundance blogged that the Senate was more powerful than the DOJ or FBI. The Senate has certainly constrained President Trump. I pray that God is fed up with all this corruption and is using President Trump to not only expose it but end it! Godspeed President Trump and Sundance! Interesting days ahead!

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        • Zippy says:

          Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
          Princeton University – 2014

          http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

          Excerpts:

          A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.

          Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

          In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

          …the preferences of economic elites (as measured by our proxy, the preferences of “affluent” citizens) have far more independent impact upon policy change than the preferences of average citizens do. To be sure, this does not mean that ordinary citizens always lose out; they fairly often get the policies they favor, but only because those policies happen also to be preferred by the economically-elite citizens who wield the actual influence.

          ———-

          “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.” – Edward Bernays in his classic -1928- text “Propaganda”

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      • Dutch- that is a very damning indictment!

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        • Judith says:

          Yes it was a damning indictment. He forgot to add 9/11,where they used their Saudi pals to push through the so-called Patriot Act (what a crock!) then aided in their (accomplices) escape, while pointing a red laser dot to Iraq!

          This is a pretty crafty bunch, wouldn’t you say? Either that or ‘we the people’ are willfully ignorant.

          Either way, the UNconstitutional Patriot Act is what brings us to our current situation, where almost every single Congress critter has already been surveilled, as is the majority of the American population including, of course, our good President.

          Surveilled with the intent to thwart and *undermine* the Trump presidency, our nation AND the will of its people. Some peaceful transition of power we got there. /s.

          So who, pray tell, will step in to clean up this mess? Certainly *not* the players in CIA, SSCI, DOJ and FBI, who are all caught up and complicit in a TREASONOUS coup!

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        • Dutchman says:

          How appropriate, as I am sure many have said or thought DAMN that Senate!
          Actually, they are exposed and ‘damned’ by their actions.

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      • StanH says:

        It is imperative that we get this straight, there is no two party system. Always ask your self who spends millions of dollars to attain a job that pays $170k give or take, and why. They become part of a secret club where the rules do not apply. Families set up dynasties and latch onto the body-politic to achieve fantastic wealth and power. There is nothing new about corrupt politicians the words are synonymous, what’s new is the blatant disregard for their constituency, the voters. Washington DC is as corrupt as any Mafioso Crime Family, or drug cartel. In fact “if” Bill Barr pulls that thread, perhaps RICO would be a good mechanism to begin sweeping up all of the criminals and cleaning out these bloated bureaucracies, we’ll see.

        AG Barr knows that thinking America is watching and waiting, so I believe there will be indictments. But my fear is, it will be window dressing leaving the seething criminal swamp intact to simply wait out President Trump. Then they can get back to finishing off the USA, and perhaps get the Lolita Express running again.

        KAG!…by backing our great President Trump through thick and thin as he is fighting the Swamp Leviathan on a daily basis on our behalf.

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        • Judith says:

          When push comes to shove, a few minnows will be tossed up and given an ultimatum: to fall on their swords or face certain “suicide.” Their choice. And they are the lucky ones.

          The rest of these coup plotters, and any ancillary characters leading to them, will be picked off behind the scenes in a manner worthy of Goodfellas. The apex predators and sharks simply move to deeper waters.

          If there is ever a movie about it, they could run the score “Werewolves of London” during the tying of those loose ends.

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      • PBR says:

        Never before have we have such exposure of corruption and a complicit press. I thank DJ Trump for this as well as Sundance and others who work tirelessly for this exposure. But I have to say, Sundance, your commentary just now brings tears for me. To think we have sunk so low and our Dear Republic is such challenged while all the ants of the Republic fight amongst themselves for “their side”.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Yes, but its been going on for a LONG time, and our Republic just took the hits, and didn’t respond.

          Now, at last that which was going on much of it right in front of us, frankly (and we were not seeing cause we weren’t looking) as well as much that was truly going on behind closed doors, is being brought out into the light of day.

          And, once events force us out of denial, force us to truly SEE it, it can’t be unseen.
          Cheer up, there is plenty of reason to be hopeful. Our Republic is battered and bruised, but far from dead or doomed!

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      • Rhi says:

        Right on Dutchman! Can’t believe no one gave you multiple thumbs up.

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    • swimeasy says:

      Exactly fanbeav. Why can’t Lindsey Graham call him or is his uniparty slip showing.

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    • The Third Man says:

      Graham is chairman of Senate Judiciary. Many months ago he promised hearings. Waiting for reports is the cop out. This “guy” is too busy in front of cameras motor mouthing about wars and amnesty and gun control and…

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  2. James P. Ryan says:

    It is about time.

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  3. cheryl says:

    Oh man, I forgot this was on today and i’ve not heard a word from any other website. Thanks Sundance

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  4. Abdul Abulbul Amir says:

    I happened to watch the entire hearing today on a FOX feed. The volume was lower than normal, and the camera moved like it was held by hand. Regardless, we’re watching history unfold right before our eyes.

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  5. Perot Conservative says:

    Can / will Barr hide these dirty deeds?

    One track of justice, or a two-tiered Banana Republic?

    Liked by 3 people

    • Haven’t you been paying attention? Definitely Banana Republic.

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    • ezpz2 says:

      That seemed uncalled for — unless it was sarcasm, which I have been known to miss at times.

      Liked by 1 person

      • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

        Comment deleted by Admin…

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        • jx says:

          Perhaps if Barr produced results rather than declinations peoples’ doubts would be allayed.

          Liked by 9 people

          • farrier105 says:

            18 United States Code Section 1924–Violated by both Comey and Hillary Clinton. They fix themselves rigidly on one statute. No flexibility.

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          • Dutchman says:

            jx,
            Perhaps if Barr hadn’t had to get Senate confirmation, which means Mitchs approval, I would feel a little better.

            Cause maybe its just me, but if I actively participated in planning and green lighted a sloppy soft coup against the POTUS, and if I had the authority to dictate to the POTUS who he could and coukdn’t appoint,…..gee I think I would give him the name of a CLEANER, not a HOUSECLEANER, that could trace the whole thing right back to ME.

            But, hey thats me. I am sure the people existing in the Swamp are much less concerned with their individual survival; they are altruistic, and want the whole truth to get out.

            Don’t be distracted by all the actions they haven’t taken like Lindsey doing NOTHING, no HEARINGS, even tho he has time to work with Democrats on National Red Letter law legislation.

            Don’t notice how when Nunes went public with some of the documents he had seen, Ryan authorised opening an ethics investigation (bogus) in order to force him to step down, and chief Cleaner for RepubliCONS Gowdy stepped in.

            And yet with all the efforts and lack of efforts making it clear Republicon leadership was FULLY on board with tje sloppy soft coup, we’re supposed to believe they would confirm a housecleaner, rather than a cleaner?

            Sorry, I ain’t convinced,….

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        • KnowSERENoFear says:

          There is room to doubt the character of Barr. I have posted links for you but apparently you have neglected to refer to them. Barr was caught surveilling Americans without warrant in the early 90”s. Barr also was involved in the murder of Randy Weaver’s 14 yr old son and wife…although he claimed otherwise. Barr testified before congress in 2003 that in his opinion FISA/FISC didn’t go far enough….that he thought the 4th Amendment does not apply if there is a terror threat.

          There are three examples of why Barr may not be trusted. Perot Conservative has every reason to doubt the integrity of Barr.

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          • Zippy says:

            There is more than that. While he worked in the CIA’s legal office he sent out a memo recommending that document destruction resume against the order of the commission investigating COINTELPRO. As former CIA director GHW Bush’s AG, he agreed with the pardons of Iran-Contra (an illegal act I agree with considering its goal, but it was illegal) perps. He also, less than a year after GHW Bush took office, came up with the legal justification to invade Panama and arrest the former Iran-Contra participant Manuel Noriega.

            BTW, his involvement in the Randy Weaver thing was as defense for the FBI agents involved.

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        • Ray Runge says:

          SAM, Barr had to have some voice in Horewitz filing a separate IG report on Comey AND Barr declined to prosecute. When obvious criminal activity is not prosecuted, against the IG reports judgement, the questions arise.

          Barr could have permitted the Comey report to remain a part of the IG FISA Report and a slam dunk persecution of Comey would include more coherent criminal background information. BUT we still remain with ZERO indictments of the “small group” and Bagpipes Bill remains the AG.

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      • JoeMeek says:

        It was hate filled venom like what one would expect from a Oman or Talib.

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    • KnowSERENoFear says:

      Ad Rem…cleanup please.

      Please refer to posting guidelines:

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  6. Sofa King says:

    Something is building, people…
    Legal proceedings take time, like building a cage around a mountain lion.
    I know, I know, it’s easy to lose hope.
    But something IS coming.

    Liked by 15 people

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Sincerely hope so. Because if Barr is not interested in assessing significant league accountability in all of this, the Republic is over.

      Liked by 4 people

    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      No one who observed Trump daily is losing hope! How?

      Only the not so bright who love to buy into the daily drama.
      The people who never worked on anything real that takes more than a day to finish.
      The people who act like babies who didn’t get what they want. WAAAH WAAAH WAAAH

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    • I believe too…something BIGLY COMING…..very quietly…

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    • farrier105 says:

      Mueller–1.7 indictments every month. 34 individuals and 3 business entities. Lots of headlines and red meat for the Democrats and their followers. Takes a LONG time, doesn’t it?

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    • Ron Jaeger says:

      I was seriously doubtful until I heard G Beck talk about declassifications being ordered today on the way home So here I am and this does sound like things are starting to simmer .

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    • swimeasy says:

      I’m with you Sofa King. In the interchange today, what was brought out several times was the collaboration occurring between Horowitz and Barr and again between Horowitz and Durham so unless one thinks all three are corrupt, then we need to be patient. I’m as frustrated as many but today’s interchanges gave me more hope.

      Even today, as Rep Jordan stated there was new information that was clearly in conflict with Comey’s prior positions related to his private meeting with Trump which supported that Comey was investigating the POTUS elect while telling him he was not under investigation. As Meadows stated they were following up with another referral to the IG to assess the conflicting material.

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    • Zippy says:

      “Legal proceedings take time”

      NOT this amount of time. Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch slammed the Comey investigation for taking nearly a year instead of a few months considering it only interviewed 20 people.
      It has been 18 MONTHS since McCabe was fired to the recent end of that investigation.

      And the SCOPE of each investigation is being very limited (only PAGE in the FISA investigation) so that no conspiracy dots can be connected in a major way WITHIN ANY ONE INVESTIGATION.

      The ENTIRE soft coup attempt has been completely laid out on a platter by various books and this site and yet the fast path to a TARGETED series of KEY questions to just a FEW individuals whose truthful answers would justify huge headlines and quickly reveal in an obvious fashion the existence of the plot is NOT being taken.

      Example: Jon Solomon has recently revealed that Mifsud’s lawyer told him that Mifsud is willing to testify that he was working for WESTERN INTEL, one of many key testimonies that would obliterate the entire foundation of SpyGate. However, the fact that he said that indicates that he hasn’t been asked to do so!

      Nah, this is slow-walked CRAP to provide hopium doses to those who don’t WANT to realize from plenty of past examples and even that Princeton University study that this is a banana republic with a two-tiered justice system where, with the outlier exception of PDJT, voters only get what they want when it coincides with what those actually in control want as found in that Princeton study.

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  7. John55 says:

    >>” Horowitz confirms that neither Chairman Nadler nor Chairman Cummings has asked for IG testimony. Democrats are attempting to hide the investigative findings.”

    So what is preventing the Senate Republicans from calling Horowitz to testify? Looks like they are also attempting to hide his findings.

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      House rules.

      Now you understand why control of Committees is important 🙂

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      So what is preventing the Senate Republicans from calling Horowitz to testify? Looks like they are also attempting to hide his findings.

      I’m glad they aren’t.
      The Comey Leak thing is small potatoes and the public is sick of yet another hearing about french fries.

      Better to wait until the FISA Report.
      That actually affects EVERY AMERICAN.
      And is where the meat (if any) resides.
      It is very simple to understand.

      You can only put real stuff in a FISA app.
      You must VERIFY that the stuff is REAL
      You must DOUBLE-CHECK that the stuff is REAL
      Then you must sign under penalty of perjury and not lie to a judge about it.
      Then and only then CAN YOU SPY ON AMERICANS.

      And you can always serve the fries with the meat.

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      • swimeasy says:

        I agree Krashman. The FISA report is far more concrete for Americans to relate. I would prefer Senate to call Horowitz when that is finalized as well.

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      • farrier105 says:

        When office holders like Hillary and Comey handle classified documents about foreign relations and national security any damn way they please, that affects all Americans. There was no excuse for handling either case (Comey was put in charge of the decision to prosecute Hillary by Loretta Lynch while Barr’s Justice Department made the decision about Comey’s declination) the way they were handled.

        Everyone in the Justice Department knows how hard it is to prosecute civilians under the Espionage Act, particularly the “gross negligence” paragraph. However, there is no problem seeing Hillary as guilty of 18 United States Code, Section 1924. It carries a maximum of 5 years in prison and/or a fine. Being that Hillary constantly removed Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) from the Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) in her home, the punishment would reasonably be expected to be close to the maximum.

        Comey, although he leaked, was facilitated in his leaking by violating 18 USC 1924 by illegally retaining his “Comey Memos” without authorization and storing them in his home in a manner not approved by the FBI or DOJ.

        Using more complex statutes that are not as acceptable to a large number of federal judges, such as the Espionage Act, is a good way to appear to be investigating violators, but also letting them off the hook.

        Those constantly referencing Comey’s leaking of an unclassified document to justify the declination is correct only be limiting the analysis to one possible statute Comey might have violated. There is more than one statute covering the actions of both James Comey and Hillary Clinton. They both violated 18 USC 1924 and still walked away.

        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

        https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/why-intent-not-gross-negligence-is-the-standard-in-clinton-case/

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Agree with your as always thorough analysis (which I do appreciate)

          I’m simply saying don’t have a Comey LEAK hearing on it’s own.

          Almost as important as the justice we are seeking is the PR aspect of penetrating through a now 3 year lie.

          And doing yet another hearing ONLY about a top official leaking classified information will make peoples eye’s roll.
          And anyway…..
          This can easily be covered in a Horowitz
          FISA Abuse testimony
          In fact it enhances it.

          The strongest case here is the FISA one.
          Start with that.
          Comey’s case didn’t get Bleachbit,
          it got shelved….
          Statute of Limitations and all.

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  8. Max Tadpol says:

    I had read on Twitter – maybe in the Dirty Truth’s thread – that the IG stated another Gov’t Dept head was referred for prosecution? I was thinking Brennan.

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    • cboldt says:

      Each department has its own IG. There is an IG for the intelligence community, a different one for state department, and DOJ/OIG Horowitz for DOJ stuff.
      Recent story is that State IG was sitting on credible allegations of state department involvement in the coup.
      I have head ZERO about findings or allegations presented to the intelligence community IG.
      Not to say an IG is essential to indict. Obvious, IG can be a do nothing and an intrepid prosecutor can still gather evidence and present to a grand jury.

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  9. A2 says:

    As I just finished watching it, first impression is that a professional hearing, non-partisan and therefore informative. Of course I am comparing it to the clown show yesterday. In my minds eye, this is how I imagined our representatives and federal employees should operate throughout the government.

    Another example is the CECC on Hong Kong yesterday; bipartisan, bicameral therefore productive.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      I had to laugh at this:

      Horowitz knew more about his own report WITHOUT IT.

      Then

      Mueller knew about his own report WITH IT SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM
      and his very own manservant to point to it out to him.

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      • johnnyfandango says:

        Herr Mueller, ”GPS Fusion, who, what” you meant that new Fusion restaurant in Georgetown…never heard of it, never been there.

        Oh Lordy. Great questioning by Jordan. Comey is F@cked and far from home. I hope they nail his @$$. What a scumbag…that p#ssyhat wearing soy latte drinking, 7 foot frog on his hind legs is such a traitor. No conscience. He and his cabal would frame an innocent person and think nothing of it. What a tough guy.

        Get a good look at those Redwood trees Jimbo, you won’t be seeing them ever again in short order.

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      • Krash- excellent point!

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      • Amy2 says:

        Great observation!

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    • MaineCoon says:

      I had the same thoughts. Everyone was very respectful of each other. I did wonder why there were so very many empty seats. Where were the rest of the committee members?

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      • jebg46 says:

        Good question. It was pretty empty, does that mean it was just a few of our patriots were there? Or just they had to step out for votes, etc.

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  10. chojun says:

    The likelihood that Comey gets out of FISA/SpyGate scot free is rising higher and higher, in my opinion. From the looks of it McCabe was running the Seditious Conspiracy.

    The affiant of the original Carter Page FISA (an FBI SSA) is still unknown, likely redacted due to law enforcement purposes. I have a feeling that the FISA report will find that Comey was lied to by McCabe and the rest of the small group to get the FISA signed by him. I think that SSA was Peter Strzok.

    This is going to be an unpopular opinion but right now I have a feeling that Comey (and/or Rosenstein), for whatever reason, did what he did to force a Special Counsel so that McCabe could not run the investigation.

    The FBI at the time had a history and pattern of practice of up-classifying damaging information to protect its reputation and to keep bad actors out of legal jeopardy. Is it then far-fetched that McCabe would up-classify some of Comey’s memos for the same purpose? And then Comey therefore fell into a classification trap that the DOJ ultimately declined to prosecute him for? Think about it for a minute.

    Even though Comey was involved I’m very strongly suspicious that a lot of people (especially at the FBI) were victims of confirmation bias and I think Comey was one of them, due to unfounded and misplaced trust in Brennan at the CIA, who originated Crossfire Hurricane via the original EC. I think the only 2 people at the FBI who knew everything that was really going on were McCabe and Page; and on the DOJ side Bruce Ohr, and Fusion GPS outside of the DOJ.

    Anyway that’s where I’m at right now.

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    • A2 says:

      Re: your para 3. That has been my understanding from the beginning and I am not alone in that opinion. And, I don’t care if it is unpopular here. Taken the heat and staying in the kitchen. 🤣

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      • cboldt says:

        One problem with that is Rosenstein sure seemed happy to go for maximum collateral damage.
        What should have been an investigation into what the people did during Trump’s campaign was made into an investigation of what people on Trump’s campaign did – ever and wherever in their life.
        Rosenstein set the scope parameters, WAY beyond what session’s was recused from, and WAY outside of department regulations.
        If McCabe is a bad hombre, his boss, Rosenstein, can fire him, just like he fired Comey. He didn’t.
        If Operation Mueller was a honey trap, it didn’t need to run as long or wild as it did – and the collateral damage is real.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        I have a feeling that Comey (and/or Rosenstein), for whatever reason, did what he did to force a Special Counsel so that McCabe could not run the investigation.

        Comey forced the Special Counsel specifically in order to
        move the Investi-COUP he was LEFT RUNNING HIMSELF in the FBI
        (with cohorts at DOJ)
        to a safe space
        WHEN HE GOT FIRED and it had the highest risk of being exposed.
        McCabe was NEVER going to be nominated to replace Comey.
        And what if PDJT nominated an “Elliot Ness” to replace him?

        Most everybody that was part of it (eg: Strzok, Page and Weissman, Zainab and more) ALL moved with it.
        And it could now continue completely unimpeded under the auspices of the honorable itchy nosed, Robert Mueller.

        Comey was left running this operation because everyone else at highest levels at the other Departments that participated beforehand were gone (Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, Yates, etc.). The only possible problem they would have is the new AG.
        That was Jeff Sessions and that problem was “handled” on Day One.

        Clearly he didn’t want McCabe running it
        as McCabe was ALREADY THE SUBJECT OF AN IG investigation himself.
        So an IG was already sniffing around him.

        BTW it’s THAT investigation the revealed the Strzok/Page texts.
        Causing a whole different set of problems

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        • farrier105 says:

          Problems with your position:
          1. If Comey was that uncertain about McCabe, he had the authority to demote him, or otherwise remove him while he was still Director.
          2. Both Comey and McCabe have been, and probably will be again, receiving criminal referrals, if they have not already.
          3. Comey debriefed McCabe, Strzok, Page, Baker, et. al. about his clandestine SUBJECT INTERVIEW of the President. Subject interviews need to be done by two agents and the subject informed of his/her rights.
          4. Comey has many times expressed his hatred of Trump and wants him out of the White House.
          5. Comey let the DNC lose their emails to unknown subjects who breached network security. Allegedly two groups of Russian hackers, Comey let one group run barefoot in the network for a year and virtually ignored the second one until the emails were stolen. He has never adequately explained his actions. It is the Crowdstrike report about that incident and data loss by the DNC that is the foundation of Trump-Russia, and ultimately led to the incarceration of Julian Assange. This makes Comey a major cog in the Trump-Russia machine.
          6. All that saved Comey from indictment in his last criminal referral is someone in DOJ was so obsessed about the leaking, they didn’t look into violations by Comey retaining the documents and storing them in an unapproved manner in his home. He was clearly guilty of both.
          7. The Mueller Report was the creation of Comey’s actions in the leaking and the unlawful retention of classified documents about foreign relations and national security. The Mueller Report’s objective is IMPEACHMENT OF TRUMP, preferably through a charge of obstruction.
          8. It was Rosenstein who feared McCabe as Rosenstein wrote the letter providing the reasons to fire Comey. McCabe used the firing of Comey to start an obstruction investigation and told Rosenstein. Rosenstein could easily be charged as an accessory and is a fact witness to the “obstruction.” By getting a Special Counsel, Rosenstein eliminated McCabe as a threat to him and seized control of the investigation. Rosenstein could now clear himself of obstruction and get on with the Establishment’s work of sowing chaos and division in American society that continues to this day.

          Comey is not a white hat.

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            Dude…..
            That reply to me??
            If so….
            What you smokin?

            While interesting reading….

            How in the world did any of that contradict anything that I wrote and
            WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT I WAS CALLING COMEY A
            A WHITE HAT??

            And anyway
            HE WEARS A HALO NOT A HAT.
            C’mon
            LOL

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            • farrier105 says:

              Comey had no discernible problem with McCabe at any time prior to his firing. There is no evidence that he wanted McCabe uninvolved in the investigation up until a Special Counsel could be created, and McCabe claimed in his book that he wanted a Special Counsel and told Rosenstein it would benefit the investigation.

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              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                Comey had no discernible problem with McCabe at any time prior to his firing

                It’s PRECISELY COMEY’s FIRING that changed the entire ballgame.

                Comey & Co. didn’t need a SC—the Comey Leak Report describes that they were moving along with their investi-COUP just fine. Hell…Comey himself went to TT as a “secret agent” doing (as Horowitz called it) an “investigative meeting”.

                This all changed when Comey was fired.

                No one really thought this would happen.
                It was unexpected when it occurred and exceedingly rare.
                RR had only been on the job a couple weeks when it happened.

                McCabe claiming in his book that he wanted a Special Counsel and encouraged RR MAKES SENSE
                Comey (who had no discernible problem with McCabe) most likely ENCOURAGED MCCABE TO DO THIS.
                Comey was FIRED….gone…..no longer in any official position of authority to even TALK to RR himself to get a SC appointed.
                McCabe had to be the one to do it.

                Comey did his part:
                Leaking his memos “to get a SC appointed”
                and
                McCabe (and others) did theirs
                Pressured RR to do it.

                And all of this was done to get the COUP out of the FBI proper and shelter it under the auspices of a Special Counsel’s investigation.

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                • farrier105 says:

                  And McCabe probably came up with the idea of Mueller subject interviewing Trump in the White House.

                  And the Butowsky legal filing suggests McCabe was privately encouraging the Seth Rich theory through Seymour Hersh, and possibly others in the media, while publicly attributing the DNC hack solely to the Russians.

                  I think I have found a way to keep the Russians as being in the DNC network, but NOT stealing the emails. This scenario might get the GOP members of House like Nunes and Meadows interested. The original DNC and Crowdstrike testimony to Washington Post carefully described emails as “read/monitored,” not stolen by alleged Russian hackers.

                  It probably won’t work, but it’s worth a try. Nothing else has worked.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  And McCabe probably came up with the idea of Mueller subject interviewing Trump in the White House.

                  I’ve suspected that McCabe was manipulating RR in that period when Comey was fired.
                  That RR’s comments about wire/25th may have been weaponized by McCabe for leverage over him.
                  (And NO I don’t play the “hat” game)
                  RR wears a “ROD ROSENSTEIN-colored” hat.

                  And the Butowsky legal filing suggests
                  McCabe was privately encouraging the Seth Rich theory through Seymour Hersh

                  The “conspiracy theorists” kooks diversion I suppose.

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            • farrier105 says:

              The idea of Comey being a “white hat” was discussed in earlier posts, so I responded to that notion with that sentence, but not included in the numbered list of objections above it. Sorry for the confusion.

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              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                No sweat Farrier!

                Though I will confess I’m a proud owner of the
                Wandering Twitter Poet”s
                Beefcake Photos of the Month Calendar

                My favorite month is March;
                COMEY STANDING SEXY IN A ROAD

                Gotta admire the cut of his jib.

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                • farrier105 says:

                  I am working on something where I use a LAWFARE blog article to prove Comey stood down while the alleged Cozy Bear “Russian” Advanced Persistent Threat (APT 28) was prancing through the DNC network for nearly one year. When I found that article through Google about Comey’s use of “tens of thousands” of National Security Letters every year, well that made his inaction at the alleged “Russian hack” even more glaring.

                  It was LAWFARE.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  “tens of thousands” of NSLs????

                  egads.
                  The “Tag N Gag” self-approving warrants are used in those numbers per year???

                  How could he not know?
                  Makes it even more interesting that the FBI didn’t seek warrant on the DNC server(s).

                  Good luck on your article

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                • farrier105 says:

                  My main source is Donna Brazile, too. Her book HACKS gives the entire game away without her realizing what she was writing. I’ll get some of her quotes and put below here. I’m using a different laptop to write the draft.

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                • farrier105 says:

                  At any rate, FBI Director James Comey did almost nothing while alleged Russian intelligence hackers ran barefoot through the DNC network for nearly an entire year. Comey claimed that the DNC would not allow Comey to send people into the DNC headquarters to ferret out the hackers, so he just had the one agent make phone calls and hold a couple of meetings with DNC executives. Nothing much happened as a result while alleged Russian hackers pranced around through all of the servers and most of the workstations inside the DNC network.
                  This is odd behavior for Comey, who frequently utilized National Security Letters for far lesser reasons. I used to say that Comey would issue a National Security Letter when someone’s cat got stuck up a tree, but that is probably an exaggeration. National Security Letters have the power of search warrants, but do not require the signature of a federal judge or magistrate. How ofen did Comey issue National Security Letters in the past? Try this complaint by Comey published by the group LAWFARE on their blog dated January 9, 2014:
                  https://www.lawfareblog.com/jim-comey-and-crs-speak-national-security-letters
                  “What worries me about their suggestion that we impose a judicial procedure on N.S.L.’s is that it would actually make it harder for us to do national security investigations than bank fraud investigations,” Mr. Comey said. He added, “I just don’t know why you would make it harder to get an N.S.L. than a grand jury subpoena,” calling the letters “a very important tool that is essential to the work we do.”
                  Here LAWFARE describes the reasons for Comey lamenting about changes to the issuance of NSLs as follows:
                  Such letters have long been used in bank fraud and other cases, but their use exploded over the past decade as they were expanded to terrorism investigations, with the agency now issuing tens of thousands a year since Congress lowered the legal standard. The review panel urged Mr. Obama to require a judge to find “reasonable grounds” that the information sought “is relevant” to terrorism activities.
                  See? Mr. Comey issued “tens of thousands” of NSLs every year. At least he did until alleged Russian spies started lounging around in the Democratic Pary’s main computer system for an entire year. For some inexplicable, and probably bizarre, reason, Comey took a casual, laid-back response. It was like he could care less Russian spies were logging onto the Democratic Party’s main computer network on a daily basis. Maybe bank thieves are more important than Russian spies inside a computer system, accessed by Members of Congress and the Senate who belong to the Democratic Party, who also have access to highly classified information. Well, I’m just not the expert that Comey is, I guess. That is why I can’t see why Russian spies occupying the DNC network, like homeless guys camping out on a Los Angeles street, is just nothing about which to get excited. It must be that you have to be James Comey to understand all of this.
                  This won’t be the last time Comey appears in this story to do something inexplicable, but significant, in creating the world in which we live now. Comey played a major role in the emails being stolen by not intervening to stop the alleged Russian hack of the DNC.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  Imagine “the homeless” they found on Hillary’s Homebrew server.
                  Good work.

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          • Three parenthetical comments:

            (1) “To me, the entire ‘DNC Server’ story is a dead fish.” I am not persuaded that any of the alleged servers actually existed. It is utter nonsense for the FBI to accept a report, prepared by the alleged criminals themselves.

            (2) I still can’t explain what Rosenstein did after writing that memo that got Comey fired, because it was an extremely well-written memo, making a thoroughly well-presented case for “why the b*stard had to go.” (It’s in the public record … read it.)

            (3) Obviously, the “perps” didn’t count on JudicialWatch, but simply expected that most of their wrongdoing would remain “comfortably classified.” It didn’t.

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            • Oh, yeah … and if they actually did “upload them to a GMail account, it means that … “Google Has Them All.” A simple secret subpoena would get them, and probably already did. I’m 99% confident that the prosecutors are in possession of every single one of those “deleted” things. Electronic mail does have a way of sticking around . . . but the act of attempting to delete subpoenaed material, even if unsuccessful, is a textbook example (literally …) of “obstruction of justice.”

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            • farrier105 says:

              On Number 1–As long as both parties accept that Crowdstrike report, the Russians were trying to help Trump get elected. I keep working to find a way to refute it without relying on the Seth Rich story, which the Ed Butowsky legal filing suggests might have been planted by people on the left (Ratner family) and Andrew McCabe.

              I’ve said before that it is vulnerable, and it is only more so after facts uncovered just this week. So, I keep hammering at it along with guys like Stephen McIntyre and Adam Carter. What is left of Trump-Russia sits on that report and both parties accept it as true.

              2. The important thing about Rosenstein is that he should have recused himself since he is a fact witness in the firing of Comey.

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    • Per contra, I think that Comey’s chances of escaping prison are disappearing rapidly. Several of the already-known documents are now being declassified so that they can be made public in un-redacted form. The IG’s FISA report apparently contains a new set of criminal referrals, and McCabe’s position is worse than what is publicly known at this time. Barr may have elected not to act on Horowitz’s initial referrals knowing that more referrals were to come.

      Fundamentally, the IG reports establish a difference between what these men publicly did and said under oath, and what is now known (by the IG) to be true, “and these differences are crimes.” Both reports will, taken together, clearly establish the existence of conspiracy and abuse of power. Because the IG reports are exhaustive, compiled by hundreds of IG staff researchers, and gathered under oath, they are a powerful resource for prosecutors.

      The “just powers” granted to the FBI, the NSA, the CIA, and other three-letter orgs are not granted for illegal purposes, and I am entirely confident that these crimes will be pursued just as far as they go. “No one is above the Law.” Especially not those who have been entrusted with the very highest levels of the public’s trust. These people are going to prison … and they did all of it to themselves.

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      • evergreen says:

        Time will tell. In the interim, a prosecutor would have to proceed relatively competently, and a jury (presumptive here) would have to declare him guilty. There is the possibility of intentional, accidental (?), or otherwise opportunistic prosecutorial incompetence as well as liberal/Resistance jury member intransigence. Then sentencing would have to be material. I read the college admissions participant received approximately two weeks of jail time. Ditto George Papad. Not to diminish the fate, but I think Comey would breathe a sigh of relief if he knew he would only face 10 days out of commission.

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        • “We shall see.” I have no choice but to remain hopeful. Even so, I know how the system is rigged in favor of Washington, DC scum, just as it is rigged against Lieutenant Generals who led our troops valorously in combat but then got in their way. When the Inspector General says that both top officers of the FBI committed high crime, I don’t think we’ve yet seen “the Scottish bulldog” even begin to move.

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      • Mike- I sure as hell hope that you’re right!

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    • Linus in W.PA. says:

      I always respect your opinion, chojun, but if what you are saying is true, than Comey sure has a way of acting like a dirty squid while being a ‘white hat.’

      He’s done a lot of lying. Like when he said some IT geeks did some ‘amazing stuff’ to weed through Clinton’s emails from Weenie’s laptop, and others…..

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      • Debra says:

        I did not read that as equating Comey to a white hat. Rather, it is Comey conflicted amongst three ‘bosses’: his ‘then-current’ boss, Obama; his ‘soon-to-be’ boss, Trump; and his ‘lifetime service dedicated’ boss, Clinton.

        His hat is gray because he has the ‘highest loyalty’ to his own perceived intellectual (gray matter) superiority, which he certainly felt was above reproach.

        JMHO.

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        • chojun says:

          It’s all very very complicated. But what appears to be emerging in all this (at least to me) is that there is not one “team” operating against Trump but multiple factions in the SpyGate ordeal, who were participating for various reasons and with various *different* motives.

          And I’ll just say that the FBI and DOJ were NOT (necessarily) on the same team. Ohr, Weissmann, Zanib, etc were all part of the dossier chain-of-custody. THOSE people are the ones who knew that it was trash, especially after the DOJ questioned Steele and found credibility problems. On the FBI side, I believe McCabe and Page are the ones who KNEW the scheme and knew what purpose the dossier served.

          I believe the special Page/Strzok relationship was coming from Page -> Strzok to make an end-run around multiple levels of leadership at the FBI (Giacalone and Priestap), for the purpose of manipulating investigation into the Trump-Russia hoax, also for the purpose of obtaining the FISA warrant.

          Again, I stress that Brennan originated the ENTIRE thing with his Electronic Communication to Comey. It is therefore the reason why I believe Comey and Strzok were operating under not only anti-Trump/anti-MAGA bias but also a confirmation bias created by Brennan manipulation. Note also that Mifsud and Halper, (and later, Azra Turk, likely others) were all associated with not only the FBI but *also* the CIA. I believe a geyser of BS info was flooding into the FBI.

          Anyway, all of this is the basis for why I believe Comey *may* actually escape serious charges in the FISA/SpyGate ordeal. He was a horrible director lacking character and who clearly has an unprofessional bias against Trump (also, a personal animus toward him likely because he was fired). But one thing is possible to me – and that is Comey was manipulated in all of this. He found out, memorialized everything as a personal insurance policy, and McCabe classified some of it to keep it from coming out.

          That’s where I stand currently.

          I feel as though people have become so cynical and have (rightly) lost so much faith in the justice system that if they don’t see ‘treason’ charges against Comey and everyone else, that the Nation is going to become a tinderbox ready to ignite at any moment. I think only McCabe and Brennan are really obviously guilty of Seditious Conspiracy. Yates and others (redacted SSA) are guilty of defrauding the FISC.

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          • chojun says:

            Additionally, I did a quick search and it looks like Andrew Weissmann’s law license was due for re-registration in Mar of this year (2019).

            It may have lapsed. Would love to get thoughts by techno fog or ristvan on whether this is an incorrect interpretation.

            http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/attorney/AttorneyDetails?attorneyId=BLkBlmwP6KavBwYadx2bdw%3D%3D

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          • Debra says:

            I have always maintained that there have been at least two factions of actors perpetuating these actions in an attempt at a coup. And, I share the same thoughts you have as to Comey.

            My thought all along the Spygate trail has been that once Hillary ‘won’ the election, but prior to her inauguration, the Obama administration was going to say, ‘Whoops! Not so fast. We have uncovered some election interference from foreign countries. We cannot be confident of the integrity of the election; hence I (Obama) need to stay in place, as President, until this is investigated and we, uh, have a clearer picture of what was going on . . .’

            I think the previous administration’s loyal followers had the foreign interference angle in the works since at least Comey’s reading of Clinton’s behavior as ‘careless’ and had to scramble once Hillary’s nosedive became apparent in their internal polling to try to make sure the foreign influence vector encompassed both candidates; to that end, I think plants were made available that could ‘holler’ and point at either candidate with ‘some’ story, depending on the country’s vote.

            Thus, we have the Obama cronies all puffed up at their stature: ‘What? We saved the country from a Hillary presidency’, is their justification.

            Meanwhile, the Clinton clan want so much to reveal all this, but that would just open them up to further damage, and, especially ridicule, so, here we sit . . .

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          • BitterC says:

            I think Chojun is right about Page going after Strzok. I have half joked that McCabe pimped her out to Strzok. She was his eyes and ears into the details of the investigations. In a sense, she created a dotted line between Strzok and McCabe, circumventing the 2 layers between them.

            I also have had my doubts about Cardinal Comey knowing there was no collusion. I could see Brennan deceiving him and the parallel State Dept pipeline, as well as Steele/Fusion pipeline hoodwinking him. It’s also quite possible Comey is not a detail man.

            I just hope someone flips and we do get the real story.

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          • sdharms says:

            yes, not a conspiracy — but they all work the same agenda and “take care of their square” – thus get the outcome the group desires.

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        • Super Elite says:

          Comey’s hat isn’t gray. It’s dirty.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Wow.
      Respect your opinion but I gotta disagree.

      Stuebe got Horowitz to confirm HIS OWN FINDINGS that
      The Director of the FBI and the Deputy Director of the FBI
      were referred to the DOJ for CRIMES.
      Never before in history has this happened.

      Not only that he testified that Comey went to the Trump Tower meeting specifically as part of an “investigative meeting”

      In now 2 reports, Horowitz has laid out Comey’s state of mind IINTENT)
      and described today what he meant by Comey’s DAMAGE to the FBI by saying:

      “I’ve had instances of this in corruption cases previously….empowering FBI Directors….. with the authority to decide they are not going to follow established norms and procedures because in their view they’ve made a judgement that the individuals they are dealing with can’t be trusted”

      And this in a general oversight hearing and NOT a specific hearing related to his already published reports nor the upcoming FISA one.

      The FISA process is specifically designed and redundant so that excuses like “I didn’t know” are weeded out.
      Especially by Director’s who REPEATEDLY AND DELIBERATELY decide they are not going to follow the rules.
      And Comey signed his name to 3 of them.

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      • The information contained in Judge Collyer’s [redacted] rulings were based in part on objectively verifiable facts obtained from classified government data systems which … apparently unbeknownst to the “perps” … keep extremely detailed audit records. The information shared to her by Adm. Rogers – in his official capacity as head of the responsible department – was and is known truth that cannot be denied. We know e-x-a-c-t-l-y what those FBI contractors did, and when. (They were authorized users, doing unauthorized things that are no longer possible to do.)

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          That’s not a Horowitz thing….that’s a Durham thing.

          (or if we are really lucky…..a Sidney Powell thing)

          If they decide to even touch that THING at all.
          Which so far NO ONE has that I’ve seen, House or Senate.
          Not even Nunes.

          They may consider that one “handled” by Rogers and say no more about it.
          But maybe we’ll be surprised.

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          • “Exactly so.” Horowitz may or may not mention it in the context of the FISA applications, but – as he himself quipped during the hearing – he will not make “prosecutorial judgments.” He informs the prosecutors. He knows precisely what the enabling Act of Congress which created his Office does and does not say, and clearly will not deviate one iota from it. (“How refreshing,” actually …) 😇

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          • Redzone says:

            KVS- that FISA abuse, which completely betrays the public trust, is what all this is about. Everything is a result of Obama, Hillary, and crew, all of them, covering up the biggest untold secret in D C., which is the abuse of privacy for power, aka, FISA Abuse.

            The attempted takedown of PT was a side benefit of operation cover-up. The Small Group had to manufacture a predicate for the FISA abuse; therefore, Russia, Russia, Russia, and by the way, PT did it!

            Remember, they had all the info on everyone beforehand. They just had to write a story that fit with the info they had, and of course fill in the blanks as necessary with Page, Papadopoulos, etc.

            It’s all about hiding the FISA abuse. If the citizens became fully aware of the scope, FISA may be disbanded thereby negatively impacting national security (and their power). More importantly (to them), the citizens would become aware of the scope and vote them all out of office from McConnell and Pelosi on down.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              Agree.
              To add.
              No one in Congress has mentioned the Roger’s FISC report.
              And Horowitz’s report is limited to FISA abuse of
              “AN American citizen”

              We can only hope that this report is the opening salveo of the awareness of the American people about that FISA abuse and correcting this.

              But I’m not holding my breath on that at all.

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      • Blinduser says:

        I agree with this.

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    • Patience says:

      Comey did some funny stuff during GHWB’s time; while Mueller was the boss.

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      • Nah. I believe Mueller was a just a figurehead manipulated by Weissman, et al. And, there could have been the possibility that……………….ah never mind. GOOD NIGHT!

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        • Dutchman says:

          Yeah, me too. All the focus on the peons, not the people who green lighted the project. The people who so desperately needed PDJT to fire Mueller team, Sessions and,Rosie, so they could pearl clutch, scrram ‘Saturday night massacre, and say they have “no choice” but to vote to impeach.

          And it ain’t the Dems. Every day since the election they have been making excuses to their rabid base, for why hes not impeached already

          So, why are we focusing on the pee-ons, and ignoring those with obvious motive and authority; RepubliCon leadership in Congress?

          Good nite!

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    • Ray Runge says:

      Chojun, with all respect, your analysis has a whiff of one that has contracted a moderate case of the Stockholm Syndrome. Knowledge of a system permits one to justify jaundiced actions the system then generates.

      I am not concerned about the internal mind games that afflict the bureaucratic channels in the FBI. Up classifying or what ever standard FBI practice may be, does not excuse Comey going solo to the POTUS elect’s office and tittilating the conversation with a complete sack of salacious lies, the STEELE Dossier.

      What we know from IG Horowitz’s report is enough to indict and begin the prosecution of Cardinal Comey.

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  11. montanamel says:

    Why not have an “evening fireside chat” from the Oval Office, once it is released with all the supporting doc’s we have been waiting for….with the IG himself in attendance to answer questions put to him by WH staff/PDJT live on TV…. Tell the new’sy’s it about IRAN, tell them anything to get the live time started ON THE AIR….then into the IG and proceed with the nut cutting!!!!… eh?

    IF The networks balk, shove it up their #1 pie hole via “station Lic from the FCC” and/or IRS investigations into Cable businesses….

    Maybe have some of the Cabinet Sec’s there to engauge in one on one with the POTUS live with some further directions being given, ie: SCOTUS, AG, Senate Leadership re: further hearings, etc.

    AND….maybe 500k or so of us concerned citizens parked on the front lawn/mall/pool/streets, etc!! I am sure there are some JumboTron’s nearby for “outside live viewing….eh? Check-6

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    • MaineCoon says:

      I’ve always thought PDJT should have a fireside chat when it’s all said and done. He’s the only one people believe. Adding IG Horowitz to the presentation would be interesting, but he might think it would be viewed as a political gesture. He won’t want to jeopardize his independent status.

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      • margarite1 says:

        If it was pouring rain outside and President Donald Trump said “it’s raining outside” there are a ton of people who wouldn’t believe it. In my case all I have to do is listen to my son – or his stories about his friends which include an actual rocket scientist who goes on Trump diatribes. Or you can go on Twitter to see the insanity. These people have their minds made up based on their biases. I sort of suspect part of this is their way of gaining cred in their social circles.

        However, there must be a lot of people who’ve never heard our side of the argument so I do think your idea is overall a good one.

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  12. The Boss says:

    Committee chairman Elijah Cummings is sure making himself scarce these days. His lackey Connolly seemed to just want the hearing over with. Dems didn’t shout down the R’s or make stupid points of order or force roll call votes. Apparently the dems didn’t want to put on the record a debacle like Papa Toad Nadler did yesterday.

    Assuming this to be the case…Why would that be? Is there discord among Nancy’s committee chairs? I’m in Sofa King’s camp. Something is up.

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    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      Shifty Schiff out of the news too.. I miss his eyes /s

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    • Robert Smith says:

      If they are not Coup complicit they want to stay that way. The information is going to come out regardless. Why suffer in the line of fire for something that can’t be stopped?

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    • Zorro says:

      I’m thinking Nadler plays the role of useful idiot for those Dems really in the know. He enjoys being the short, fat king of the judicial committee and harassing Trump but Nancy has him wearing a choke collar if he gets too far out of control,

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      • jimboct says:

        The thing with Nadler is he has a long standing personal beef with VSGPDJT. He is dying to impeach him, Pelosi be damned. He’s like the paperboy in better off dead looking for his 2 dollars.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      The emptiness of that chamber was palpable…….both sides.

      I think I actually heard echoes.

      Almost as if there’s people that DO want to know…………
      and those that DON’T

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      • meow4me2 says:

        1). Plausible deniability

        2). No network or cable tv cameras to grandstand for

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          3) You can’t open a can of worms….
          if you don’t bring the can opener and you don’t have the can.

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          • Amy2 says:

            My takeaway was that violating FBI policy is not illegal, and the IG is not concerned with illegal, just policy.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              Amy2
              Violating FBI rules may or may not be a CRIMINAL violation.
              I sure haven’t read all their rules but it would seem that any violation of the LAW is at the least IMPLIED in the FBI rules if not specifically ENHANCED by a similar rule of their own.
              IOW: By some action an agent may be violating BOTH an FBI Rule AND FEDERAL LAW.

              The Comey Leak report is a good example of where this appears to have occurred.

              Horowitz testified that he is REQUIRED by law to report crimes….
              as soon as he identifies them.
              So by law he is concerned with the ILLEGAL.

              It’s interesting that he has to report them as soon as he finds them……and not wait until he is done with his investigation.

              That could cut both ways: good or bad.
              Depending on who he reports that too.

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              • Amy2 says:

                Yes, agree. My impression is if it falls under “implied” it’s considered a gray area and not necessarily able (willing) to prosecute. Your explanation however is spot on.

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    • beach lover says:

      Well, it was a subcommittee hearing so they probably thought the less controversy, the less media coverage there would be on it.

      I too noticed a distinctive difference in the “tone” of Connolly and the rest of the members, compared to the fiasco the day before. I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t try to downplay all of the IG findings. No hearings, nothing.

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  13. missycaulk says:

    I watched it online today, the chamber was basically empty.

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  14. Shyster says:

    The Comey Report isn’t even that voluminous, 70-80 pages maybe, yet at times Horowitz doesn’t seem as familiar with the facts contained therein as I would expect. Not a real confidence builder. He had to know he would probably be asked some questions about it. I give him a C+ at best. Rut-Roh!

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Why can’t you give an example?

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    • A2 says:

      If you listened he made it clear he could not discuss certain things and he was careful to be as accurate as he could remember. No missteps is prudent. He was forthcoming and not adversarial. All good.

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      • I agree. Remember that the report was compiled by hundreds of members of his staff. He is extremely sensitive to the law – including the Privacy Act – and to the role of his department vis á vis the AG. (In fact, he made an amusing quip about that.) He obviously wanted to be certain that everything he stated in the hearing was known by him to be correct, based on the evidence and nothing more, and legal to be disclosed in a public hearing. (For instance, when asked about Comey’s meeting with the President, he said, “this is what the memos say,” and went not one step beyond them.)

        He struck me as “a consummate professional,” exactly as I would want my Inspector General to be. His demeanor increased my confidence in his reports.

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    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      Comment deleted by Admin…

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      • Shyster says:

        Durham isn’t in charge of the Horowitz report about which he was questioned and which is a matter of public record. That said, he admittedly wasn’t sure who the other agents were who were on the team to meet with Comey after Comey’s meeting with Trump. Give me a break, the 2 or 3 others present is something anyone intimately familiar with the over a year plus investigation would know off the top of their head.

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        • But … did Horowitz k-n-o-w the answer, for certain, based on the sources available to him and nothing more? And, would he be stepping into Durham’s domain? Would he be in the territory of the Privacy Act(s)? Obviously these matters were foremost in his mind. I’d rather see him respond as he did respond, than to speculate even slightly. (His office can follow-up with the Representative tomorrow, if need be.)

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Listen to Horowitz again.

          As Mike said 100s of investigators working on 100s of investigations.
          And he manages them all.

          Horowitz was under oath and he’s not going to simply guess.
          especially…..
          WHEN HE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A COPY OF THE REPORT TO REFER TO.

          Also note,
          when talking about TT debrief
          he made an interesting comment to Jordan about Strzok’s level of involvement in certain things that he wasn’t going to discuss here.

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      • chipin8511 says:

        Just remember the IG report is where the truth goes to die per Douglas Gabriel former NSA member.website: americanintelligencemedia.com ..Deals are made coverups are the goal….

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Shyster….
      Watch Mueller testify to see a guy that doesn’t know his own report.

      Horowitz knew more about his own report—without having a copy
      than Mueller knew with a copy right in front of him.

      Understand while Mueller was working on one specific investigation….

      Horowitz runs an office of near 500 people doing ALL sorts of investigations and efficiency audits.
      You can go here to see the list of all the ongoing work he’s overseeing:
      https://oig.justice.gov/ongoing/all.htm

      I was pleasantly surprised to see how much he did know.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      I think his hesitation was due to having way more information that was included in the mere 70-80 pages and he didn’t want to mistakenly divulge information not made public. In fact, he was even referenced such in making a response as does Sundance in his above-posted tweet.

      If you don’t take the time to carefully listen to the testimony nor read all that Sundance posts, the allegation you make against Horowitz is false and offensive.

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  15. Shyster says:

    The Comey Report isn’t even that voluminous, 70-80 pages maybe, yet at times Horowitz doesn’t seem as familiar with the facts contained therein as I would expect. Not a real conf
    idence builder. He had to know he would probably be asked some questions about it. I give him a C+ at best. Rut-Roh!

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  16. Mass shooting in 3…2…1…

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    • littleanniefannie says:

      They do seem to happen every time the Dems are getting burned. We need to list the coincidencental releases and shootings and start posting frequently on social media!

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      • farrier105 says:

        Start with Orlando Pulse Nightclub shooting which happened the weekend two things happened:

        1. Crowdstrike prepared to give the DNC hack story to Washington Post on June 13, 2016.
        2. The hacking of Deray McKesson (of Black Lives Matter) emails, Twitter direct messages, and his cell phone on June 14, 2016, the day the Washington Post ran the DNC hack story. Some of the texts and emails referenced a plan to create a “Summer of Chaos” that would wreck the Presidential campaign and force martial law with Obama continuing in office under “Continuity of Government.”

        If you can find any of the interviews of wounded Pulse victims, compare how they act and appear versus what “Dummy Beto” said to describe the horrible wounds inflicted by an AR-15.

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      • Joemama says:

        There is definitely a correlation between bad news for demoncrats and mass shootings, bombings, people getting run over by cars/trucks, etc. The organization (likely one or more of our 3 letter agencies) behind these diversions doesn’t mind killing a bunch of people to change the MSM cultural marxist narrative.

        They have managed to keep gun control in the forefront of the narrative for many weeks now, since taking the pressure off Elijah Cummins and his rat/drug infested city.

        They are going for broke on the revocation of the 2nd amendment. That is not going to happen.

        To me this signifies that they are totally desperate and losing power.

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  17. Appalled says:

    “I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate that your reference to [Strzok as head of Crossfire Hurricane] what his role was at various times.”
    A bit confusing. A bit curious.

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  18. The Gipper Lives says:

    Wow–the rats have fled the sinking ship! That’s one way to empty out Congress.

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  19. California Joe says:

    Horrible Horowitz plays Wack-A-Mole with seditionists by looking at each crime and criminal with blinders on and tunnel vision then says there’s not enough evidence of criminal intent to prosecute!

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    • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

      WTH is going on with the comment section at CTH?
      It’s goind downhill,.. rapidly. Are these all shills or just people who don’t understand what’s going on?
      Reading here it’s sounds as if we lost WW2 to the germans.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Relax, bro. Durham is the one who is running the DOJs overall case. Barr never said he was limited or bound by the IG reports, just that he was waiting for them.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Dude….
      He LITERALLY said in this testimony that HE referred both
      The Deputy Director of the FBI
      and
      The Director of the FBI

      to the DoJ
      FOR CRIMES.

      And that he never heard of that ever happening before in US History.

      Maybe Horowitz’s Wack-A-Mole Wacker missed and hit you on the head.

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      • California Joe says:

        He referred them for “No Parking in a Loading Zone” violations. Who did you think was going to take those losers into a DC Court? It’s a guarantee that they’d be declined!

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Yeah….he really should have just referred them for “First Degree Murder” in his leak investigation.
          That prolly would have done it.

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  20. littleanniefannie says:

    Fancy that—E. Lie. Ja Cummings and Nerkle Nadler haven’t contacted Mr. Horowitz for testimony. What are they waiting for? Steve Cohen’s extra large KFC bucket of chicken ($hi7)? E. Lie’s moment of indignation about the rat-infested communities in his district?
    President Trump early on offered the DemocRATs an olive branch—work with him on the wall and the economy and he would drop the Hillary and IC investigations. Nerkle wanted a pound of flesh (like he needed another). His only hope will be for Beto to quickly confiscate all the guns so he can’t shoot himself in the foot (again)! They tried to stick it to the President, our beautiful FLOTUS, and their family. The burned those bridges and now they need to hold on to their a$$e$ because they’re about to be burned.
    I’m making my Christmas wish list. Brennan still “heads” my list. I also want Comey, Clapper, Holder, Lynch, McCabe, Rosen, Rybicki, Yates, Baker, Strzok, Page, and Cardin. Now please add Nerkle and Schitt. That would make my stocking yuuuugggge but make my heart yuuuggggger!

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  21. Brant says:

    Empty room means Horowitz is a white hat to me. He’s got interesting documents. I don’t care if Dims aren’t there as long as the minority is allowed to have hearings of this type. Now if DOJ doesn’t follow thru on recommendations…..that’s a different story.

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  22. Freepetta says:

    Maybe I’m going blind? Did anyone notice any reporters tripping over each other? Where are all the Dems? Did they all have more important things to do?
    Where is the audience? Where are the Democratic Lobbyists who receive 30 minutes of interview time? With NO REBUTTAL from the opposition?
    In my humble opinion, these criminal referrals don’t scratch the surface of the criminal liability by high ranking FBI and DOJ officials
    DECLASSIFY DECLASSIFY DECLASSIFY!!!

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    • rmramerica says:

      Hope you’re right. I’m doubtful. “Criminal Referrals” don’t automatically translate into an indictment. The entire case for referral needs to be considered as well as the case’s probability for a successful prosecution. That’s the rub, can these characters be successfully prosecuted. If an indictment of McCabe proceeds, and it’s really aggressive, both in scope and possible prison time, he could flip, and then the entire charade would be laid bare. The deception would explode…right back into the oval office.

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  23. ristvan says:

    Sundance, Thank you for parsing this important hearing today for your Treepers. I was otherwise busy emailing SA to figure out the Iran situation, plus managing significant others medical issues.

    Dems ‘suppressing’ Horowitz is no surprise. But will FAIL.

    IMO, Most important thing from this hearing was that Horowitz (after some hesitation) said he has been communicating with Durham. Likely concerning criminal referrals and related IG developed evidence pre FISA report release! IG cannot compel evidence from those no longer in DoJ (Comey, Yates), but Durham’s grand jury sure can. Horowitz hesitation was a tell concerning grand jury secrecy concerns. He made a good honest reply ‘hint’ decision, in my opinion. ‘Big Ugly is coming soon to an election near you’.

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    • Well, once again Horowitz’s nose is clean here: “this is what the IG Act says that we must do.” Obviously he did encounter “what could be interpreted as criminal,” and was therefore duty-bound to “promptly disclose all of it” to the AG and the DOJ – that, of course, means Durham. Also, I don’t believe that he ever “hinted.” (He didn’t have to.)

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      • franz dorn says:

        I’m not so sure that Durham shared anything to Horowitz about secret matters of the Grand Jury. Horowitz communicated classified matters to Durham.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Noticed that too.

      Confirmed he has had discussions with Durham.

      Even better he would not quantify nor qualify them.

      They didn’t just bump into each other at the water cooler folks.

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      • Kathy says:

        Greetings, KVS … My understanding is that DOJIG Horowitz may interview ONLY current DOJ/FBI employees, whereas Prosecutors Durham and Huber are authorized to interview former employees. Chances are, there were more than a few who were questioned both before AND after their final workdays.

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    • SharonKinDC says:

      I noted w/ interest Horowitz commented on not being able to pull in former employees for questioning and, iirc, that was one of the fixes he wanted to see happen with the IG rules.

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  24. 335blues says:

    I have to say, in the loudest of terms,
    the superior intelligence and IQ of Mr. Jordan and Mr. Meadows
    are amazing. They are what was envisioned that members of Congress
    would be when our Founders created the greatest country in the history of mankind.
    Thank GOD for Mr. Meadows and Mr. Jordan.

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    • jimboct says:

      I’m certain Reps Jordan and Meadows write their own questions. They aren’t spoon fed DNC or lawfare questions like the Dems. They can easily restate their questions and aren’t reading from a script.

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    • Amy2 says:

      I was thinking that as well, and Devin Nunes was in my thoughts as well. Jordan and Nunes with a JD behind them would only up the ante!!

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    • Joemama says:

      Mr. Jordan & Mr. Meadows are definitely extremely intelligent.

      Unfortunately, so are their adversaries.

      The main difference is in where their efforts are applied. The former fight hard for good. The latter fight hard for self financial enrichment and depravity.

      Thank you for supporting the people, Mr. Jordan & Mr. Meadows.

      Thank you lord, for supporting these two good men.
      Amen.

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  25. billybob says:

    “Why is patience so important?”
    “Because it makes us pay attention.”
    ― Paulo Coelho

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  26. California Joe says:

    Durham has no investigators of his own. Unlike most local District Attorney’s which have their own investigative staff with arrest authority the United States Attorney’s Offices have NONE with the exception of the SDNY which has a handful, Durham has two choices. He can use the FBI which is problematic to say the least or he can use Horowitz’s criminal investigators which is my very educated guess since they are already on the case! So, yes Horowitz would know everything Durham is doing!

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    • farrier105 says:

      Most DAs use local police to investigate crimes. NYPD works for the DA of NYC.

      United States Attorneys (USA) always use FBI agents when the FBI has jurisdiction over violations of particular statutes. The FBI covers hacking of federally insured banks, but the US Secret Service covers credit card fraud as a form of COUNTERFEITING. So, Secret Service agents also work with USAs and Assistant United States Attorneys (AUSA). ATF works firearms, alcohol, and tobacco tax matters, etc., etc.

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      • California Joe says:

        Most District Attorney’s Offices do have their own investigative staff just for problems like this. Of course, the police handle most of the crimes but the DA has an investigation staff of his own that he can use when things with the police or politicians gets hinky. Durham has no such staff and using the FBI would be a joke!

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        • farrier105 says:

          As I pointed out, Durham as recourse to other DOJ investigative agencies, including Secret Service, US Marshall Service, ATF, etc. if he chooses. He can also use FBI from his local Field Office if he decides it is appropriate.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Durham has no investigators of his own.

      And to support this assertion you give us what, Morning Joe?

      Now on to the real world

      “the Attorney General has directed that a team (Review TEAM) led by John Durham, the US Attorney for the District of Connecticut conduct the Review…..

      The Review is being conducted primarily in the Washington DC area by Mr Durham and a NUMBER OF US ATTORNEY’S OFFICE PERSONNEL AND OTHER DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES . The Department has made existing office space in Washington available for this work.”

      From AG Barr’s (c/o Stephen Boyd) letter responding to Chairman Nadler asking about the investigation of the investigators.

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      • California Joe says:

        Durham’s Review Team consists of lawyers, paralegals and secretarial support. Nobody on his team carries a badge and gun so what we have are a handful of office workers trying to investigate a coup against the President of the United States by the highest echelon of the FBI, DOJ, CIA, State Department and MI6. Okay, so where do you think this is headed?

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          HOW DO YOU KNOW?

          Please post your source for your claims.
          “other Department officials”
          DoJ includes US Marshals, ATF, and DEA investigative agencies in addition to the FBI
          There are badges and guns in those.

          We simply don’t know what Durham is using.

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        • The Boss says:

          This letter is very well crafted, and it was smart to write it so early in the game. Remember Durham was appointed in May, and this letter was delivered to Nadler The Toad in early June. Now it’s the back-half of September and what Durham is doing very likely differs in many ways from the vanilla language written over three months ago.

          For example, let’s just assume there is a plea deal or two in the works or completed and sealed. No need for a grand jury or gun-toting special agents to work out the details, just so-called “office workers”. And who knows exactly what work is being done “primarily in the Washington DC area” and what is being done outside of that area and by whom? Perhaps “primarily” is no longer an operative qualifier. Maybe even “Review” has changed into something more substantial.

          A lot can happen in three months-plus time that has not been broadcast (nor would it be given how our corporate media is complicit). I wouldn’t get too worried over this old letter.

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          • As I’ve pointed out here before, “Absolute Secrecy is legally required at this point in the ball game. Every one of the alleged perpetrators – probably including some we don’t even yet know about – is “cloaked in a glowing robe of Innocence.” As Innocent people they are entitled that no one should know – (heh, including themselves) – that a Grand Jury has even been convened; that they are formally suspected of any crime at all. Only if a Grand Jury hands down an indictment can felony charges be made, and even then only the text of the indictment itself. This legal protection is centuries old.

            Prosecutors, also, are strictly prohibited from discussing anything. (Blabbermouth extraordinaire James Comey never learned that one … heh.) So, they are stone-faced.

            (And, it works. If Epstein had had any notion that a Grand Jury had sworn out two felony indictments against him, he never would have landed his airplane in America. It’s only because he didn’t that … “we nailed the b*stard.”)

            Somewhere, in total secrecy, William Barr is de-classifying documents so that he can present them to a Grand Jury, somewhere, which is composed of ordinary citizens who don’t have security clearances. No one knows what he is showing them. Quite likely, we have never known that the materials exist. Their indictments therefore cannot be challenged – as they certainly will be when the trials commence.

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  27. As a man thinkth says:

    Very good job Sundance.

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  28. MaineCoon says:

    Linked is the Statement of Michael E. Horowitz, Chair, Council of Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, Inspector General, U.S. DoJ, before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Subcommittee on Government Operations concerning “Overseeing the Overseers: Council on Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency @ 10 Years”

    September 18, 2019

    https://oig.justice.gov/testimony/t190918.pdf

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  29. mark says:

    Almost afraid to comment here but somehow I got the impression after listening to the hearing that, there are so many moving parts and perpetrators in this coup, that the IG has a very weak understanding of the timeline of events and those involved on a particular day. Sundance puts the perpetrators texts other info and dates together all of the time so we can see the BIG picture. Sure the AG knew what Comey was doing all day long on the 6th of Nov. 2016 but has he juxaposed that with emails and texts from others involved in the coup on that day to see the big picture? I’ll watch it again but I think Sundance has a better handle on what happened and the timeline to prove it.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Mark
      Horowitz puts the timelines together for the investigations that he is authorized to conduct.

      He is strictly an inspector general for the Department of Justice so his “BIG PICTURE” is by it’s very nature only as big as the DOJ.(with few exceptions).

      And IMO he’s done an admirable job given the circumstances that he is now investigating the top COPS and LAWYERS that used the laws they know well as cover to conduct their false investigations, operations and a attempted coup.

      And the most he can do is make criminal referrals.

      It is “Special Counsel” Durham’s job to put the big picture together.and hopefully hold the perpetrators accountable.
      A picture that is very much aided by the IG’s dispassionate work.

      And of course, SD is bound by nothing at all.

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      • Ray Runge says:

        AND the boring and persistent follow up question remains, when will the initial small group indictment arrive?

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          AND the boring and persistent follow up question remains, when will the initial small group indictment arrive?

          November 16 at 3:19:37 (PM)

          It will be a slightly chilly day with high temp around 42 degrees Farenheit…..
          Overcast with winds blowing out of the Southwest at 13 MPH.
          OR
          it could be at 3:19: 38 (PM)

          but I don’t have the weather forecast for that instant yet.

          I’ll have to get back to ya.
          LOL

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  30. islandpalmtrees says:

    Tucker Carlson: These people are so stupid, it’s remarkable they can breve unaided much less run for a paying job. Colorful description of Democratic presidential candidates.

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  31. StvOh says:

    Thx CT ! Helps to get Cliff Notes version, so much ! Hopefully the whole sordid treasonous story will get major media airtime, as it deserves.

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  32. dallasdan says:

    SD:
    “Mr. Horowitz discusses the current status of the FISA IG report as under rough draft review by AG Bill Barr, where decisions on classification are taking place.”

    I sense there is much more to that sentence than words, and SD chose the last phrase carefully.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      They’re actually Horowitz’s words.

      He describes the process in his testimony

      And since POTUS gave Barr the authority….all decisions are Barr’s.
      And if POTUS doesn’t like them.
      They’re POTUS’s.

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  33. burnett044 says:

    a watched pot never boils….
    like it or not we all have to wait and see….it is what it is….

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  34. Bob Lynch says:

    Lest anyone forget, Inspector General Horowitz was appointed by President Obama.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      And after being blocked by Obama’s DOJ.from doing his job….
      .
      fought hard along with other IGs to get Congress to pass the
      Inspector General Empowerment Act of 2016
      “All Means ALL.”

      We should really stop with the WHO APPOINTED WHO meme
      because it’s really proven to be an unreliable metric

      Democrats didn’t make Richard Burr “head” of the SIC
      or Paul Ryan Speaker of the House.
      and of course, we’re told
      both Comey and Mueller are allegedly “Republicans”.too.

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    • California Joe says:

      I haven’t forgotten and no one else should either. He’s not going to do anything meaningful to hurt the Democrats! Unlike Republicans they stick together!

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  35. margarite1 says:

    Well…I’ve gotten all excited before thinking NOW the truth will come out and everyone will realize what actually happened. But at this point I’m on the border of cynical and hopeful. Hoping but not getting my hopes up.

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  36. bessie2003 says:

    Very thankful to find this hearing linked here today. It raises imaginative new ideas about whose chickens are soon coming home to roost; but equally important was how refreshing it was to see the business of this committee carried out in such an earnest manner.

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  37. Unreal! How did this hearing get by me??? Was it even announced?

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  38. GP says:

    Some very good points made here that indeed “The Big Ugly” may be imminent. I want to scream something different, but that feeling is not based on knowledge of how all this works…but is based on many, many, many cover-ups that were at least as serious as “Spygate”

    My gut still tells me no one is going to jail. I hope my gut is wrong.

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  39. So if Comey was extracting investigative information from Trump, then all of the Comey Memos are effectively FD-302’s. All Comey Memos are classified materials.

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  40. mtk says:

    It is very subtle, but listen closely to Rep Grothman questioning IG Horowitz.

    I believe it was the main theoretical reason for his yeilding his time back to Rep Jordan. To say in essence, with what IG Horowitz just stated in responce to my question, “I have heard enough.”

    Listen and follow very closely to the question put forth by Rep Grothman and the responce of IG Horowitz.

    Look I get it, IG Horowitz is making statements that requires a degree of threading the political needle.
    Yet, just early when responding Rep. Jordan direct question, “Was the President elect under investigation at the time of Jan 6th, 2017, this is after Rep Jordan using the word ‘pending’ many times when formulating his line of questioning in regard to any form of investigation characterizations.
    What was IG Horowitz responce, “I don’t know if I am in a position to say, one way or…”

    So it is a question IG Horowitz does not want to answer.

    It all revolves around line of many avenues of questioning that has been extensively cover by the CTH under the CYA memo of Sally Yates and the so called the outrage trap analysis. The license to lie is what I would call it, but I digress.

    Then Rep. Meadows plays the ‘friendly’ interviewer hand by contrasting a role reversal of puting the OIG in a hypothetical similar circumstance of leaking to advance an investigation that is before the OIG.
    Mr. Meadows then asks about comparing and contrasting what Congressional Oversight has been told and the OIG’s findings.
    It is all a song and a dance designed to couch the only response the IG is sure to make. “Yes we, the OIG gets these types of Oversight ‘inconsistences’ all the time.”

    Up next is Rep. Grothman, where I started to write.

    Rep. Grothman, does not beat around the bush and gets right to the point. Mr Flynn was under investigation, yet the FBI Director Comey leaked materials his staff and advisors found shocking that he would do such a thing.
    Remembering this investigation of Mr. Flynn was occuring well before the Trump adminstration took office. The leaks took place shortly after the incoming admistration took Office when it suited the needs of establishing the grander ‘collusion’ narrative the President would be shortly facing.

    So on one hand, the FBI Director’s staff and advisors found this shocking, since Mr. Flynn was under an active investigation long before adminstration took office.

    My question would be and the one question Rep. Jordan, Meadows and all others are not asking, “What did Mr. Comey have a second separate set of staff and advisors for the Jan 6th, 2017 Trump Tower Briefing.
    That did not find it shocking they where all actively planning and rehearsing this Jan 6th Briefing. Or are these staff and advisors the one and the same.

    Remember Rep. Jordan already asked questions of IG Horowitz about this meeting and whether the President was under investigation, to which the IG replied in the end, “I don’t know if I am a position…”

    Then how about, “Did Director Comey’s staff and advisors find it shocking, the President-elect was not under ‘their’ investigative purview, when they role played the Briefing with the inclusion of Brennan and Clapper. Let alone there is no word on, “What the staff and advisors thought when Director Comey leaked the essence of Jan 6th meeting to the media verse their exclaimed ‘shock’ over the Mr. Flynn leaks.

    How are we to reconcile this after all this time spent on Mr Mueller’s report finding, “No Collision, No Obstruction”.

    Two things are at work here, eviserating the CYA license to lie, and the predicate that the entire ‘Collision’ narrative was built on REVERFIED ‘bought and paid for’ DNC/HRC opposition research.

    Research, which from many sources and at many times their own internals prior to January 2017 where all saying the same thing, “This is political nonsense”.
    Nonsense used to get FISAs. Even the love birds chit chatted about an ‘Insurance plan in the event…’

    These people where all reacting to the stress of carring HRC across the finish line by keeping her viable during the election, In the words of the love birds, “There is no way she looses…”

    Well, she lost. And, the political animals that they are launched an investigation to railroad the incoming adminstration for no other reason than fear, that the Trump adminstration would launch an investigation over the steps the FBI/DoJ took to keep HRC viable through the election.

    What!!! Is there another conclusion that can be drawn or made.
    Uhmm… What about that many parts of the collision narratives that where set in place many months before the election. How can the small group plotters, then reconcile that they didn’t premeditate and pull the trigger on Jan 6th Briefing and head down a road of no return as the next logical step of the dossier coolaid they had been drinking.

    Because if the the launch of the ‘Collision’ witch hunt was not predicated by reactionary fears of the Trump adminstration reopening the email investigation, the alternatives are looking like CYA is going to be shot to hell.

    In my opinion that is what occured today.

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  41. meow4me2 says:

    Mueller would have hit the President with an obstruction charge. They were being baiting him. Sessions was too weak and would have allowed it.

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  42. Devil in the Blue Drapes says:

    The reason no one knew about this hearing….because it wasn’t aired live on CSPAN.
    Matter of fact it wasn’t even listed on CSPAN 2, 3 or Radio schedule.

    The only way I knew abt it, I’m on notifications for Breaking 911 and BNO News. I received tweet alert on Tuesday and so scrambled to find it on CSPAN…..nothing.

    I had to go to he website of the actual House Committee and watch it directly from their.

    As to anyone anticipating Horowitz to be called to testify….ain’t gonna happen on the House side for obvious reasons. The only hope is Senate…..Lindsey. And we’ve all seen how “interested he is to get to the bottom of this mess”.

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  43. mg says:

    Republican representatives and senators are far worse people than democrats. Years of lying to conservative voters by Mcconnell, miss Lindsey and many more have thrust them into the first place on the people most hated. Vote accordingly, as if it matters. The fix is in. Stock up on Water, Food , Seeds and Ammo, my friends.

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  44. Emuuuu says:

    So, I’m a cynic. I showed great interest in following the corruption trail of the Clintons back in the nineties. That was my first real impression of the two levels of prosecution/judgement of crime at the level of someone like the Clintons. I was around for the Watergate crimes (my late teens), but was more interested in chasing my girlfriend and similar teenage pursuits of that era. In the end, the Clintons skated away from Whitewater, Rose law firm records debacle (they just happened to appear, in a box on a chair two years later), missing and dead associates and confidants of the Clintons, etc. Fast forward to the uber-powerful Hillary. The pattern of corruption had been transferred to her since her husband’s tumultuous time as president, and I still see someone so deserving of full punishment of crimes once again just walk away as if nothing happened. Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, et. al., are also equally too damn powerful to get rung up here. (that’s my cynicism talking) Our Constitution no longer has relevance. God save us free peoples!

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  45. Rynn69 says:

    Does anyone else feel like the picture Sundance posts of the guy waiting for his ride at the side of the road?

    Cold anger has moved from the refrigerator into the freezer.

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  46. Conservative_302 says:

    I don’t care how bleak it may look. If God is for us, who can be against us. I have full faith in the Lord my God that whatever happens is God’s will. It is by the grace of God Trump got elected and is still our president. I think of Trump as Samson in the bible. I just hope he doesn’t change hair styles while in office. Keep the faith. God’s got this.

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  47. BigTalkers says:

    Here’s Rep Jim Jordan attempting to call Sen Lindsay Graham to request his Senate Judiciary Committee hold hearings on the IG’s findings…

    ‘Ring.. Ring.. Ring.. Ring.. Ring..
    Ring. Ring.. Ring….”

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  48. Midnite says:

    Many years ago a wise old bartender recited a parable to me about two young boys who were both late for school one morning. The first one walked out the door and immediately dropped to his knees and began praying “God, Please don’t let me be late for school”. The second young man bolted out the door and began running as fast as he could toward the school house, all the while praying “God, Please don’t let me be late for school”.
    She looked at me across the bar and asked “which one do you think God was listening to?”.
    Yes, God has this world in his hands and directs the fate of nations, but he’s also given us free will and self determination, we can accept or reject his divine wisdom. It’s up to each and every one of us to not just pray for a resolution, but to use every ounce of our strength to see that justice is done.

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  49. dawg says:

    End of Meadows questioning:

    “Can you rule out making criminal referrals from the FISA report? Can you rule that out?”

    Horowitz: “Im not going to make a comment on that one way or the other.”

    I started thinking about why Horowitz would refuse to answer that particular question. So what are the two possible answers?

    1. “Yes, we can rule that out.” He would be effectively saying that we have decided not to make criminal referrals.

    2. “No, we cant rule that out.” He would be basically saying that we have not yet decided whether or not to make criminal referrals.

    But Horowitz just finished explaining they had finished making their factual findings and sent those to DOJ. So the IG has compiled all the facts, wouldnt they know right then whether or not crimes had been committed and thus obligate them to make criminal referrals. Horowitz said bascially the only thing left is the DOJ then decides what to redact and they go back and forth on that and then produce something for the public.

    Wait a damn minute.

    Did Horowitz just reveal that they dont decide on whether or not they make criminal referrals until they find out what the DOJ is going to allow to be revealed to the public????

    Is my logic flawed?

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    • dawg says:

      Point being, I thought, why didnt he just say, “No, we cant rule that out.” Seems innocuous, right? Wrong. Because if he did, it would reveal that they dont decide on criminal referrals until after the DOJ decides what is going to be revealed to the public.

      So the DOJ covers up the their crimes, gives it back to the IG, then the IG can be justified in NOT making criminal referrals.

      Am I off base here?

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      • The job of the Inspector General begins and ends with conducting a thorough investigation, and part of this includes the timely furnishing anything that “could be interpreted as criminal” to the appropriate authorities. But, in this case he has already sent everything to the DOJ, which is now reviewing it – for classification purposes and otherwise. They have the entire draft. To the extent that it contains anything that “could be interpreted as criminal,” they now already know. It has already gone beyond that point.

        Horowitz was obviously being circumspect. But, he considers that to be his job – his role – his place. “Im not going to make a comment on that one way or the other.” Fair enough, I think.

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