President Trump Remarks on E-Cigarettes and Oval Office Presser – Video and Transcript…

Earlier today President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump held a press availability in the Oval Office to outline concerns discovered with E-cigarettes and ‘vaping’.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and FDA Acting Commissioner Dr. Sharpless were in attendance for explanations.  Additionally, the President took questions from the press pool.  [Video and Transcript]

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[Transcript] – THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you very much. I just want to say that the First Lady and myself, we just came back from an incredible experience at the Pentagon. It was an incredible — really, a beautiful ceremony.

I was very honored, and I think I can definitely speak for the First Lady, to have partaken in a ceremony that was just so, so lovely, representing September 11th. Three thousand lives. And, if you think about it, that number really got, as you know, Alex, it got a lot higher than that, indirectly. Directly and indirectly, a lot of people. A lot of great people.

So, that was a tremendous job everybody did this morning, letting the world know that we’re ready for anything if we have to be. We’re ready for anything.

So, thank you. And I know a lot of you were there, and I appreciate you being there very much.

We have a problem in our country. It’s a new problem. It’s a problem nobody really thought about too much a few years ago, and it’s called “vaping” — especially vaping as it pertains to innocent children. And they’re coming home and they’re saying, “Mom, I want to vape.” And the parents don’t know too much about it. And nobody knows too much about it, but they do know it’s causing a lot of problems. And we’re going to have to do something about it.

One of the words and one of the reasons we’re meeting today is to let you know that it’s out there. And we want to have parents understand that we’re studying it very carefully. It’s, again, very new and potentially very bad. There have been deaths and there have been a lot of other problems. People think it’s an easy solution to cigarettes, but it’s turned out that it has its own difficulties.

So, I’m going to ask Secretary Azar to say a few words. And then, if I could, Acting Director of the FDA Sharpless. And you’ve been doing a fantastic job. I want to thank you.

And we want to discuss the situation because not only is it a problem overall but, really, specifically, with respect to children, we’re getting some stories that we don’t want to hear. And we may very well have to do something very, very strong about it.

So, if I could ask you, Mr. Secretary, to say a few words.

SECRETARY AZAR: Thank you, Mr. President. So we briefed the President and First Lady today on as yet undisclosed, new data that we have from the National Youth Tobacco survey.

This information shows a continued surging in adolescent usage of e-cigarettes. It also shows that the youth are drawn to flavored e-cigarettes, including mint and menthol.

Currently, about 8 million adults use e-cigarettes, but 5 million children are using e-cigarettes. This is exceptionally harmful to our children. An entire generation of children risk becoming addicted to nicotine because of the attractiveness, appeal-ability, and availability of these vaping products.

So, with the President’s support, the Food and Drug Administration intends to finalize a guidance document that would commence enforcement to require that all flavors, other than tobacco flavor, would be removed from the market.

This would include mint and menthol flavoring, as well as candy flavors, bubblegum flavor, fruit flavor, alcohol flavor. You get the drift.

So, once the FDA would finalize this guidance, we would begin enforcement actions to remove all such products from the marketplace.

We would allow tobacco flavoring to remain, subject to their filing — the manufacturers of the tobacco-flavored e-cigarette products — filing for pre-market tobacco approval with the Food and Drug Administration to assure that the availability of their product is consistent with the public health under the standards set by the Tobacco Control Act.

Any of the other products, which would be removed from the market, would be able to apply under the similar regulatory pathway for approval but have to meet that standard.

But I want to caution that with the President’s support, while we would allow the tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes to remain on the market to be available for adults who are seeking to stop the use of combustible tobacco, if we find that children are being attracted to tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes, if we find that manufacturers are marketing the tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes to children, or placing them in settings where they get them, we will take enforcement action there also.

Let me turn it over to Dr. Ned Sharpless, the Acting Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, for any additional details and comments that he would have.

ACTING COMMISSIONER SHARPLESS: Thank you, Secretary. The data gathered by the CDC and the FDA, as the Secretary described, it shows a very concerning, alarming trend of use by children of flavored e-cigarette products.

The President is directing the FDA to take decisive action against this problem and to finalize our plans that we have been working on. This would have the effect, as the Secretary mentioned, of severely curtailing access to flavored e-cigarette products, which we believe drive childhood use, and will help use get a handle on this alarming and concerning trend.

THE PRESIDENT: And I will say that Commissioner Sharpless has been working on this very hard. But he’s now going to double and triple up. We’re looking at very strong rules and regulations. We already have laws as we need them. But we want to get to the bottom of a very unusual situation. It’s so new, and it’s become so big, so fast. And it could be a potential very severe problem.

So, Commissioner, you know what to do.

ACTING COMMISSIONER SHARPLESS: Yes, sir.

THE PRESIDENT: You know what to do. And it’s something that, frankly, should have been looked into a few years ago in a much more advanced way. It wasn’t. And we have something that will be very interesting to see what turns up. But you’ll be able to report back in the fairly near future because you’ve done a lot of work on this. And we’ll see what happens. Okay?

ACTING COMMISSIONER SHARPLESS: Yes, sir. The FDA is on it.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much.

Any questions on this, please?

Q Mr. President, is the Taliban — excuse me. Is the Taliban talks completely dead still? Or is there still a possibility —

THE PRESIDENT: The talks with the Taliban are dead.

Jeff.

Q A follow-up on your decision yesterday with regard to Mr. Bolton. What led you to decide to part ways?

THE PRESIDENT: So, John is somebody that I actually got along with very well. He made some very big mistakes. When he talked about the Libyan model for Kim Jong Un, that was not a good statement to make. You just take a look at what happened with Qaddafi. That was not a good statement to make, and it set us back.

And, frankly, he wanted to do things — not necessarily tougher than me. You know, John is known as a tough guy. He’s so tough, he got us into Iraq. That’s tough. And — but he’s somebody that I actually had a very good relationship with, but he wasn’t getting along with people in the administration that I consider very important. And I hope we — we’ve left in good stead, but maybe we have and maybe we haven’t.

I have to run the country the way we’re running the country. We’re doing very well. We’re respected all over the world again; respected like we haven’t been respected in many, many years. You look at Iran and you look at so many of the things that are happening. Iran wants to talk. They all want to talk.

We’re doing very well with China. And you probably saw the numbers that have come out and come out — some of them coming out just today. But China is — their supply chain is breaking up. The supply chain of China, which was this unbreakable, powerful tool that they had, is breaking up like a toy because companies are moving out. And China wants to make a deal. We’ll see what happens. We have to make the right deal for this country. China has been taking out hundreds of billions of dollars a year out of our country.

And, you know, I read — I read papers like the Wall Street Journal. They don’t have a clue. They haven’t got a clue. They don’t make any excuses for the fact that China has been literally ripping off the United States in the worst manner for so many years. Five hundred billion dollars pouring out of the United States. And I hear people — I don’t even know. Do these people have any education on anything? It’s common sense maybe more than anything else.

But I look at some statements that are made from so many different people. And, you know, John wasn’t in line with what we were doing. And actually, in some cases, he thought it was too tough, what we were doing. Mr. Tough Guy. You know, you have to go into Iraq. Going into Iraq was something that he felt very strongly about. So we’re right now in for over $7 trillion into the Middle East. And I don’t say it was his decision. You had a President and you had other people also. But he was very out there, I can tell you, and wanting to have them do it.

And I disagreed with that decision from the beginning, even though I was a civilian, so nobody cared. But I was out there. I was outspoken about it. I thought it was a terrible mistake. Here we are, many, many years later — decades later — and we’re still there. And we’ve been acting as policemen.

And I’ll tell you one thing: We are hitting the Taliban right now harder than they’ve ever been hit. And what they did was horrible. When they killed a great American soldier, when they killed 12 people — innocent people — essentially, innocent people. Because, if you look, I mean, many of these people were civilians. You also had a NATO soldier, in addition to our great soldier.

But when they did what they did, in order to create what they thought was a better negotiating stance, I said, “That’s the end of them. Get them out. I don’t want anything to do with them.” And they’ve been hit very hard. And I know for a fact they said that was a big mistake that they made, and it was. But that was my decision. And what we’re doing now is my decision.

So we have a lot of great people that want that position. A lot of great people want a lot of positions. They want to be a part of this administration. We’ve done more in this administration, in less than three years, than I believe any President. You look at the accomplishments; even today what we’re doing. You look at what we’re doing today — these are big things. Nobody else would be doing this. They’re big things.

But we’ve done more than any administration probably in the history of the country. You just look at one point after another point, whether it’s regulation cuts, whether it’s tax cuts. You look at Right to Try, with these two gentlemen. So important. Right to Try — where people are able to use some of the incredible innovations that we’ve developed with the greatest labs and the greatest doctors in the world. And they can use them, instead of being forced to move to — and leave — to other countries that don’t have a clue, compared to us. And now they have Right to Try.

And, by the way, a lot of people are being saved. A lot of great things are happening with Right to Try.

But what we’ve done for the vets, what we’ve done for our great military — we’re spending 700 this year — $718 billion. And, by the way, that’s also jobs, secondarily. But it’s also jobs. Nobody has done what we’ve done. And we’re very honored to have done it. We’re in a very good footing. Our country is respected again.

Q Who are your top picks to replace Bolton?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I have five people that want it very much. I mean, a lot more than that would like to have it. But there are five people that I consider very highly qualified. Good people I’ve gotten to know over the last three years. And we’ll be announcing somebody next week, but we have some very highly qualified people.

But we were set back very badly when John Bolton talked about the Libyan model. And he made a mistake. And as soon as he mentioned that, the “Libyan model,” what a disaster. Take a look at what happened to Qaddafi, with the Libyan model. And he’s using that to make a deal with North Korea? And I don’t blame Kim Jong Un for what he said after that. And he wanted nothing to do with John Bolton. And that’s not a question of being tough; that’s a question of being not smart, to say something like that.

So I wish John the best. We actually got along very well. I’m sure he’ll, you know, do whatever he can do to, you know, spin it his way. John came to see me the night before. In fact, I think a lot of you people were out there waiting for me to get on the helicopter. I’m sure you have a shot somewhere along the line. And he sat right in that chair.

And I told him, “John, you have too many people, and you’re not getting along with people. And a lot of us, including me, disagree with some of your tactics and some of your ideas. And I wish you well, but I’d like you to submit your resignation.” And he did that. And I really — I know he’s going to do well. I hope he’s going to do well. And I wish him well.

Q Mr. President, what are you prepared to do on guns, on background checks? What are you prepared to announce?

THE PRESIDENT: So I just spoke with Senator Toomey and Senator Murphy and Joe Manchin, Senator Joe Manchin. Just had a long talk with them, just before this meeting. Just hung up. And we are working very, very hard together, all of us, and we’re seeing if we can come up with something that’s acceptable to everybody. It’s a subject that’s been going on for decades. Decades they’ve been talking about it.

So we’re looking at background checks, and we’re looking at putting everything together in a unified way so that we can have something that’s meaningful. At the same time, all of us want to protect our great Second Amendment. It’s very important to all of us.

So we are now in meetings. The meetings are going to go on tonight. I’m going to speak with them again tomorrow. And I think progress is being made. I hope so.

Q Are you willing to put background checks on all private gun sales?

THE PRESIDENT: We’re going to take a look at a lot of different things. And we’ll be reporting back in a fairly short period of time. There are a lot of things under discussion. Some things will never happen, and some things can, really, very much — some very meaningful things can happen.

It’s really “gun sense,” if you think about it. What we’re looking at is — and maybe that’s what we should call it, “The Gun Sense Bill.” But we will have some — we’re having great dialogue. We’ll see what happens.

Q And did you tell your Chief of Staff to have NOAA disavow those forecasters who said that Alabama was not in the path of the storm?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I never did that. I never did that. That’s a whole hoax by the fake-news media, when they talk about the hurricane and when they talk about Florida, and they talk about Alabama. That’s just fake news. It was, right from the beginning, it was a fake story.

And while we’re here and while we’re talking about that, I want to congratulate Dan Bishop last night on an incredible win. He was — Dan was 17 points behind, three weeks ago. The media thought he was going to lose. They were all set to have a big celebration with their partners from the Democrat Party.

And Dan Bishop worked really hard. And I worked very hard with him. And he made up a 17-point lead in a few weeks. And he won a great election last night. And also, Greg Murphy — which nobody is even reporting — but Greg Murphy won a great congressional election in North Carolina last night.

And I want to congratulate, between Dan and Greg, what a job they did. We picked up two seats, and Greg was, you know, anticipated to win by two or three points, maybe less, but two or three points. And he won by many, many points. I don’t know what the final tab is, but he won by a lot. And he campaigned brilliantly, and Dan campaigned brilliantly. And so we’re very happy about that. That’s a tremendous win for the Republican Party. Okay?

Yeah, go ahead.

Q Now that John Bolton is gone, is your policy on Venezuela going to change? Are you open to meeting with Maduro?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we have a policy on Venezuela that’s a firm policy. But Venezuela is really hurting. And we’re trying to help people in a humanitarian way. That’s probably not good in terms of crushing a terrible regime. But you have people dying. This is a country that, 15 years ago, was one of the wealthiest countries, and now it’s dying. They don’t have water, they don’t have food, they don’t have medical. They have nothing. So we’re trying to help as much as we can.

We’re also working with Colombia, and he’s — their leader of Colombia is a friend of mine and he’s doing a really good job, I can tell you that. We’re working with Colombia. We’re working with Brazil. We’re working with other countries on a humanitarian basis. Venezuela is in very sad shape. That shows you about socialism. I mean, that shows you what happens. You take a country that was so wealthy 15 years ago, and today they don’t have water, and they don’t have basic food.

So, we’ll see what happens. No, I disagreed with John Bolton on his attitudes on Venezuela. I thought he was way out of line. And I think I’ve proven to be right. But we are always watching Venezuela very, very closely.

Q And would you be open to meeting with Maduro?

THE PRESIDENT: I don’t want to comment. I don’t want to talk about that.

Q Mr. President, about your announcement today, are you concerned that the companies that were making these products will be treated unfairly by taking more of these products off the market?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, they’ve become very rich companies very fast. And the whole thing with vaping is a — it’s been very profitable. And I want companies; look, you know that. I fight for our companies very hard. I fight — that’s why I’m fighting with China. That’s why I’m fighting other countries. If you look at European Union, and if you look at Japan, and if you look at so many others, including South Korea and many others, we’re constantly dealing with them to make it good for our companies because I view it as jobs. I view it as income for our country and jobs.

Vaping has become a very big business, as I understand it. Like a giant business in a very short period of time. But we can’t allow people to get sick, and we can’t have our youth be so affected. And I’m hearing it. And that’s how the First Lady got involved. I mean, she’s got a son — together — that is a beautiful, young man, and she feels very, very strongly about it. She’s seen it. We’re both reading it. A lot of people are reading it. But people are dying with vaping.

So we’re looking at it very closely. And, you know, if nothing else, this is a conference that’s going to let people know about it, because people are going to watch what we’re saying. And parents are going to be a lot tougher with respect to their children.

A lot of people think vaping is wonderful, it’s great. It’s really not wonderful. That’s one thing, I think, we can say definitely, Commissioner. It’s not a wonderful thing. It’s got big problems. We have to find out the extent of the problem. It’s so new. It’s so new. But we’re going to find out.

And I hope that parents that — you know, they have children, and the children are a certain age — I hope they’re going to be able to make wise decisions, maybe based on what we’re saying today. But the Commissioner and Alex Azar, they’re going to be coming back over the next pretty short period of time, couple of weeks, with some very strong recommendations.

Q Can you tell us what the timeline is for taking those flavors off the market?

THE PRESIDENT: Alex?

SECRETARY AZAR: Yeah. So, it’ll take several weeks for us to put out the final guidance that would announce all the parameters around the enforcement policy. And then there will likely be about a 30-day delayed effective date, as is customary with FDA’s good guidance practices. And, at that point, all flavored e-cigarettes, other than tobacco flavor, would have to be removed from the market. Tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes — their manufacturers would, by May 2020, have to file for approval for FDA of their products. The other flavored product manufacturers can, at any time, also file, but they would be off the market until approved by FDA.

The Obama administration had allowed these products to go onto the market in an unregulated way by delaying any enforcement in the hopes that people who are using combustible tobacco would transition to a less harmful form of nicotine delivery through e-cigarettes.

But what we’ve seen is the data just shows the kids are getting access to these products in spite of our best efforts at enforcement, at retail enforcement, at controlling locations, at over 8,000 warning letters to retailers and others, in spite of moving products off shelves. They’ve been going at it, so we simply have to remove these attractive flavored products from the marketplace until they secure FDA approval, if they can.

Q Mr. President, are you looking at arranging a meeting with Iranian President Rouhani at UNGA?

THE PRESIDENT: I’m not looking at anything. Iran is a different country than it was two and a half years ago. Two and half years ago, they were given a lot of money by President Obama. Previous to that, $150 billion; $1.8 billion in cash — in actual cash. It’s very impressive.

But they are a much different country right now than they were two and a half years ago when I came into office. And I do believe they’d like to make a deal. If they do, that’s great. And if they don’t, that’s great too. But they have tremendous financial difficulty, and the sanctions are getting tougher and tougher.

We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon, and they never will have a nuclear weapon. And if they’re thinking about enrichment, they can forget about it, because it’s going to be very — it’s going to be very dangerous for them to enrich. Very, very dangerous, okay?

So you can — you can —

Q So do you want to meet with him, or no?

THE PRESIDENT: — you can spread the word to Iran.

Q Would you consider easing sanctions to let them — to make a meeting happen?

THE PRESIDENT: We’ll see what happens. We’ll see what happens. I think Iran has potential, and I think North Korea. Those are two countries we’re dealing with right now at a very high level. And I think Iran has a tremendous, tremendous potential. They’re incredible people. They have — we’re not looking for regime change. We hope that we can make a deal, and if we can’t make a deal, that’s fine too, okay? That’s fine too. But I think they have to make a deal. They’ve never been in this condition.

By the way, China is having the worst year they’ve had now in 57 years, okay? Fifty-seven. It was 27. It was 22 and then 27. It’s 57 years. This is the worst year they’ve had. And it’s only going to get worse. So I think they want to make a deal too. We’re dealing with them, but I think they want to make a deal.

As you know, they’re coming in sometime in early October. And we’re speaking to them constantly. And they also — they made a couple of moves last night that were pretty good. You saw that, right? They were pretty good.

Q Which moves do you mean, sir?

THE PRESIDENT: They were pretty respectful to our people. You’re going to see it, because you were one of the people that reported it. You — your group.

But China is — China is — about to having to do with tariffs, Jeff. Having to do — you saw what they did.

Q With purchases?

THE PRESIDENT: They took tariffs off certain things. A lot of things.

Q And you’re happy about that?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think they did the right thing. I think it was good for them. But they took them off. Yeah, I think it was a gesture, okay? But it was a big move. People were shocked. I wasn’t shocked. But I deal with them, and I know them and I like them. And I hope we can do something.

And with respect to Iran, I think they have to do something, because they have the potential to have an unbelievably great country. But the way it’s going right now, it’s disintegrating, and I don’t think — I don’t think they should allow that to happen.

North Korea has tremendous potential. North Korea is in between Russia, China, and South Korea. It’s an incredible — incredible people. I think that they really will — they have this truly unbelievable potential, and I think they want to get to it. We’ll see what happens. I mean, maybe they do and maybe they don’t — won’t. I mean, you’re just going to just see. But I really believe that North Korea would like to see something tremendous happen.

This could be one of the most unbelievable — if you look at a country, in terms of upside, this could be one of the most unbelievable experiments ever: North Korea.

And I also say the same with Iran. Iran can get back to business. They can do unbelievably well with all of the natural things that they have.

So on vaping, just to finish, this is all about vaping. This is a meeting that gets off a little track because you ask us questions about other things. And I think we’re better off answering them than not.

But we are looking at vaping very strongly. It’s very dangerous. Children have died. People have died. And the Acting Commissioner is somebody that’s a true expert on it, as much as you can be an expert on a brand-new subject.

And we’re going to have some very strong rules, regulations. And more importantly, I think we’re going to have some very important information come out very shortly, okay? And we’ll be reporting that over the next couple of weeks.

And I want to thank you. And, Commissioner, I want to thank you very much. Okay? Thank you very much.

ACTING COMMISSIONER SHARPLESS: Thank you, sir.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, everybody. Thank you.

Q Mr. President, your reaction to Netanyahu’s promise to annex more of the West Bank?

THE PRESIDENT: What?

Q The West Bank — Netanyahu and the West Bank. Do you have any reaction to what —

THE PRESIDENT: No. No reaction.

END 12:58 P.M. EDT

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310 Responses to President Trump Remarks on E-Cigarettes and Oval Office Presser – Video and Transcript…

  1. See my remarks on this on the daily thread. I, as well as MANY others in the vaping community, mostly conservatives, are LIVID over this proposition. If they ban flavored vape juice or try to ban standard vaping, he is going to lose votes. This is a very bad thing to be doing. People are dying from vaping. People are dying because they are vaping bootleg THC cartridges bought on the street, which are filled with Vitamin E oils and butane and who knows what else. This is short sighted and I am very suspicious of the “experts.” Melania wants this, I get that. But it is just as shortsighted as banning guns because people misuse them. Vaping saved my life. If they take it away, I will feel as though I am officially unpersoned.

    I love Trump and have always supported him 100% but this is war, and as always, follow the money. I’ll tell you who is celebrating this. Big Tobacco (no new smokers) Big Pharma (no one buying patches pills and gums that don’t work) and Big Government – who wants to get their sticky fingers on the revenue. This is NOT about “the children.” They are taking advantage of a horribly sad situation to finally grab the vaping industry by the throat and pound them into submission.

    And do NOT tell me my “concern is noted.” I am 100% pro Trump and always have been. Hopefully, I am wrong about what will transpire, but I am dead serious that this is a BIG DEAL to me and millions of others.

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    • Hayden M says:

      I agree completely. Making America Great Again entails Making us Free again to make our own choices. I don’t vape, but that is besides the point. I don’t need the government telling me what flavor anything I can and can’t try.

      As somebody on twitter put it: if I wanted red flag laws and vape bans – I would have voted for a Democrat!

      Love the economic and cultural agenda from POTUS, but things like this really do piss off a lot of otherwise ardent supporters going in to 2020.

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      • CM-TX says:

        How ObamaEsque of PDJT’s Administration 🤨. Remember when Obama outlawed flavored tobacco? The one exception was Menthol. Convenient too, since Barry liked his Newports.

        It’s a shame they’ll be tanking a lot of newer small businesses– reliant upon for product, & the various associated jobs.

        It sounds like he’s (still) getting fed bad info & research, & from those having hidden agenda$. It’s almost like he has lobbyist for advisors.

        Policy that proves RESTRICTIVE where unnecessary, is NEVER a good thing.

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        • lemontree says:

          Menthol cigarettes were horrible for people with bronchial problems, worse than regular cigarettes. I’m not surprised that menthol vaping would be bad. I can understand the vaping as a safer alternative to smoking. But kids were rejecting cigarettes or regular e-cigs until the flavored vaping started. It was obviously targeting kids.

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          • JL says:

            It’s not directly due to the menthol. Vicks vaporub and many other products contain menthol. It’s due to the fact that when you smoke a menthol cigarette you are actually inhaling menthol smoke. In other words, menthol combusted in the cigarette and you inhale the combustion byproducts.

            When the menthol is inhaled from a vaping device, you are in fact inhaling menthol, not menthol smoke. It’s the same as inhaling vaporub fumes when you’re sick. If it’s safe enough for your kid to inhale it when they’re sick, we shouldnt be banning it for vaping.

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    • WVNed says:

      Punishing lawful people again. That is all this country does anymore.
      They give out free syringes for drug users. They throw them in the street.

      I am getting emails telling me to use snuff. LOL

      I dont think it matters who we vote for. They are all alike.

      0 crooks locked up. Full employment with no law or freedom is just a well run plantation

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    • GenEarly says:

      Feral Government ruling and ruining people’s lives. Heroin was a cure for Morphine, how did that work out? Prohibition was a cure for Alcoholism, how did that work out?
      Vaping was a cure for tobacco, and now marijuana is getting legalized, but is much worse when smoked than tobacco!
      People are going to Do what they want to do. Free People have a right to pursue bad health habits. Feral Gov is the Biggest, most Intrusive, Tyrannical scourge in this country.

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      • SwampRatTerrier says:

        And all of those Government actions were courtesy of the Progressive Leftist Dems…..

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      • TPW says:

        I am a person with chronic pain. Reduced to a walker relying on doctors which is heartbreaking in itself. Very few qualified to deal with my spine issue so its put off for epidural band aides. In the meantime of a years with several doctor visits and I continue to go down physically. Have to go through the wringer for pain meds which I take a minimum amount to just be able to walk… forget work. Meloxicam for arthritis is thought to now cause my ringing in ears……for get me getting anxiety meds for ringing…..I also quite menthol cigarettes thanks to vaping…….how do you think I feel. I feel like they are dooming me to living in misery. This has got to end. Am sure I will end back on cigs….what else do I have for enjoyment ….0…….believe me I am not unique and sit in doctors offices every month with similiar people….sad I know. I don’t want any sympathy but just for people to leave me the hell alone to cope the best way I know how.

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        • Jan says:

          How in the Hell are children/teenagers able to get these things??? That’s the real problem. None of this–vaping, cigarettes, cigars, marijuana, magic mushrooms, alcohol, etc. should be be available to our children and teenagers under 18.

          OTH, adults can make whatever mistakes they wish and if any of these items help you fight pain or other physical powers, so be it.

          But don’t condemn the President for looking out for our kids and trying to make it harder for them to become addicts. That’s what the Left is trying to do–make people addicts so they can be controlled. And gee, if adults are dying from vaping, aren’t you just the littlest bit curious as to why and what the long-term effect of vaping is?

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    • tdaly14 says:

      Please write to President Trump, about what you just posted. Ty. Whitehouse.gov

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    • Rhi says:

      So proud of all you treepers – NAILED IT!
      What a great community y’all are.
      I’m not too worried about what the President will do, he often throws out thoughts to get a reading on public opinion, more to be concerned with are state legislators who deem themselves overlords- spit!

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      • Well, hopefully there will be lots of feedback on this. He hasn’t lost me….yet….

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        • NC Patriot says:

          If he would lose you on one issue——-I question the depth of your support—or your wisdom. Can you think of ANY Dem. candidate you would vote for instead?

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          • GenEarly says:

            It’s not this single “issue”, but the Principle that underlies it that is abhorrent to free people because the principle leads to more and more Tyranny.

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          • Then you don’t understand, nor care to understand how important this single issue is for some. I get it. You don’t smoke, or did and quit without issue or whatever. But I am telling you that vaping was the ONLY thing that saved my life. It is the most personal and vital issue in my every day life. They are going to take that away from me because these jerks from Wisconsin, and others, have hijacked the industry and make counterfeit THC carts that are killing people. Or over concerns for children’s safety. Boy that argument sounds familiar. What will be next? Maybe something you hold near and dear? What do you really enjoy and care about that you would be willing to sacrifice to MAGA? Trump is our last hope against the tyranny of socialism and THIS right here, is just one example. What will be next? Guns? Alcohol again? Straws? Cars? Planes? Remember pot is now legal, but vaping is a crime. Yeah. I give up if this goes through. I will either go back to smoking or into the deep depression I had the last time I tried to quit when I ended up in a mental hospital. Or back to the chronic misery of being a smoker. But I am an unperson now and apparently that is fine with you.

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    • Somebody says:

      I hear you and agree Trump Babe. My husband is the biggest Trump supporter I know, all in from the get go. Not only donations but personally brought in hundreds of votes in Florida. He was some kind of gung ho, oh and he vapes. Boy is he 😡. He didn’t believe me, until he saw the news for himself. Now he fears a gun ban is next, he’s very disappointed.

      What I don’t understand is why make such a rash move? The facts are not in. I could see allocating $$ to jump on this and ascertain the cause of the illnesses, which I understand are due to street vape of THC, but look into it determine the cause. Launch a campaign to target kids and dissuade them. Get tighter with selling to underage. There are a lot of steps before full out prohibition.

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      • P says:

        “The facts are not in.”

        So how many more people need to die before we have enough facts?

        IMO, isn’t it time to give up all forms of ‘oral pacifiers’ now that we’re supposedly ‘adults’? And yes, IT CAN BE DONE! People just have to discipline themselves to stop all of these what are essentially just different types of ‘safe spaces’. The left and the snowflakes use safe spaces and how often are they mocked by people who continue to take care of their ‘anxiety’ and ‘I-can’t-handle-life issues’ by running to their ‘safe spaces’ of overdrinking, vaping, smoking, chewing, overeating, drugs, etc., etc.?

        And, yes, I used to smoke and stopped cold turkey nearly 34 years ago — IT CAN BE DONE. My daughter just stopped by, again, doing it COLD TURKEY because every other way failed. Yes, it is very hard the first 3 months or so but IT CAN BE DONE!! Smoking, vaping, drinking, et al are a ‘crutch’ used to alleviate anxiety. People don’t smoke just for enjoyment — oh, they can claim they do just that; but in reality, they smoke or whatever because they can’t handle whatever triggers their anxiety.

        And I don’t think our President needs bombarded with emails and tweets when he is trying to do what is best and right for the YOUNG PEOPLE of our nation. Stop and think what kind of example most adults set for children nowadays — the examples they see are appallingly and include smokers, alcoholics, drug-addicted parents and/or relatives, vaping ‘adults’, as well as any and all types of addictions not mentioned here.

        Our nation is at the very edge of facing its end socially. Please, do what’s right regarding the CHILDREN who if they make it through all this craziness by the ADULTS are going to have to end up taking care of all those ‘adults’ who wouldn’t bother to self-discipline and stop doing things detrimental to good health.

        I’m ashamed of the fact that I smoked as long as I did and how I set that poor example for my daughters. I have much to answer for when I stand before the Lord that is for sure!

        I apologize if this offends people but I hope everyone will truly consider what President Trump is trying to do for the YOUNG PEOPLE OF THIS NATION and support him in doing what is right for the sake of the children rather than thinking about their own personal need for a ‘safe space/crutch’ to get them through another day. You don’t see President Trump setting a bad example regarding vaping, smoking, drinking, drugging, etc. because he chooses to exert self-discipline!! We can all follow his example.

        I also don’t think the Lord ever used any ‘safe-space, anxiety-easing’ crutches. He disciplined Himself. He was tempted in all ways just as we are but without sin. And no, I’m not saying those things are ‘sin.’ He didn’t need to rely on any form of ‘safe space/crutch’ to get Him through life. If we profess to be Christians, we shouldn’t need to rely on anything other than Him and His example of how to live our lives.

        I submit this in love

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        • cheryl says:

          So happy for you that you quit cold turkey. Millions of us have tried and failed until vapes came along. Stop painting the world with a broad brush.

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        • mamajen says:

          “Oral pacifiers.” Yes! I remember walking into a store and coming out were two older parents and their adult son. As soon as they were clear of the entrance, they popped their clunky, stupid looking e-cigs into their mouths. All three of them. It was like they couldn’t wait. All I could think of were sippy cups. I was embarrassed for them.

          My grandfather died at age 65 from emphysema. I thought he was very old at the time…now I realize how young he really was. He had smoked for many many years. He did successfully give it up and lived a few years without smoking, but the damage was done.

          There is NO evidence that vaping is safer than cigarette smoking. But disseminating that lie, or anecdotal evidence about “feeling better” with vaping IS encouraging young people to try it and become addicts.

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          • Jan says:

            I was so sick growing up because everyone in my family smoked. I went back and forth from asthma to bronchitis all year long until I moved away from my family in 1973.

            Since they passed laws not allowing people to smoke on planes, restaurants, etc., I am relatively asthma and bronchitis free. Tobacco, nicotine and marijuana will destroy your lungs and body no matter what form it’s in.

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            • JL says:

              Nicotine will not destroy your lungs and body.

              It is similar to caffeine in many respects, and as long as you don’t burn plant matter in order to deliver it, all of those harmful affects are avoided.

              Please stop perpetuating a myth.

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        • This is a revealing post. So “love” is what is meant to dictate policy? I have seen “love” being pushed by the left to support the following issues the past several years:
          Open Borders
          Sanctuary Cities, Counties, States
          Abortion – even up to the moment prior to birth
          Infanticide
          Assisted Suicide
          Gun Control
          Gay marriage
          Trans rights including forcing women to be OK with men in their locker rooms, allowing children to be treated with hormones which will have God only knows what effects and allowing men identifying as women to take over the female sports world
          I could go on and on, but “love” is not a policy.

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        • P says:

          Teen who was put on life-support for vaping says ‘I didn’t think of myself as a smoker’

          https://www.yahoo.com/gma/teen-put-life-support-vaping-says-didn-t-143700085–abc-news-topstories.html

          It’s the young people that we need to think about IMO.

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        • TPW says:

          Just like there are people who are wired to have an addictive bent towards mind altering drugs and some people can stop whenever they want. But you can’t keep limiting others rights to seek relaxing enjoyment the way the perceive relaxation. Your are Judgemental my friend and that is a BIG SIN. Kids will do stupid stuff regardless of what it is …..sniff inhalants, eat tide pods, blackout games, light farts, sneak cigs, alcohol, risky driving…..it goes on and on. At what point do you say we can’t control them by limiting everyone else. They even listed menthol to take off the list…..Lots of menthol smokers quit to vape…..So how many kids were directed away from cigs who would have smoked them and how many lives will be saved because of vaping ……Your logic is not thought through and neither is the Presidents. Is the tobacco lobby greasing the pockets of the Presidents advisers. I heard them on TV lying about vaping doesn’t help smokers….Now where would they even get their stats to put this out….lies lies and more lies. Really sorry my answer to quitting smokes offends your sensibilities….that somehow I am a weak person. You may consider that I may excel far ahead of you when it come to things that are considered personal vices that are mostly hidden from public view. I have seen personally how judgemental and petty people can be when they realize you take pain meds. This includes druggist nurses professional people who should know better. All because people have been lumped into a group who are hard wired to be addicts. My Doctor has had to pay several thousands to attend classes for opium made drugs and anti anxiety drugs. Had to go before the state medical board to justify his prescription choices for only the very few patients he treats for pain because no one else will treat them even though justified. Thats how dedicated. Short story I was sent to pain management The guy was a sleaze (sadistic) was giving me 2 pills a day after a year of getting worse up it another 15 a month. Got them for 2 months and without explanation took them away and wanted me back every 28 days. Go to my regular Doc. Told him the guy wasn’t considering my special case and what he did was he referenced me to another doc. Took 2 weeks and filing out 5 pages of trick questions even though i tested clean 5 times and clean record at pharmacy data banks. When I went and he found out I still was a current patient with DOC X ….who I was not going to quit till I had decided on new Doc….he would not even come in to talk to me….so knowing better went straight from there to my regular doc and told him what happened and that i was going to my scheduled visit to the sleaze the next 2 weeks. Well when I got to that visit Sleaze was acting all cocky and asked if I had sought the services of another doc > I told him on my regular Doc advice I went to visit the other Doc. But he would not see me because of his hang up on still having a future appointment that I would have canceled if I chose him. This is where he preceded to tell me that my pharmacy account had a red flag???????I looked straight at him and said why are you sitting there and lying to me to my face He just smiled and wrote a dismissal paper letting me go without cause ……..Pharmacist said he was doing same thing to most of his patients. Thank God my regular doc has ethical standards and still cares for people, sorry so long but people must know what others go through…this will affect everyone at some point.

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    • bleep21k says:

      I have to agree – this vape thing is a BIG DEAL.

      I raised my children all to the best of my ability, and I try real hard to make choices that are pragmatic to me and my families well being. If I smoke, or vape, and I am aware of the health risk – THIS is my responsibility!

      MY responsibility – I don’t need or trust “laws” that protect me from myself (or for “national security” to be honest).

      I don’t ever feel sorry for idiots – you wanna drink scalding coffee or stick your hand in a moving lawnmower blade – go for it, more power to ya.

      For political reason President Trump has jumped into this fray, but I suspect it will “blow over”, just like background checks.

      We’ll see what happens. lol

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    • Liz says:

      He wants to ban the flavors only. I prefer no ban for obvious reasons, but the usual hysterical suspects want something done and this is not a full ban.

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      • Ban the flavors it will collapse the industry. Period.

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        • Debra says:

          Well then the industry is not about providing a ‘safer’ alternative to smoking, then. If someone is vaping a flavor that they cannot live without, just what we’re they doing for that fix, before vaping? Sucking on a mint? Chewing bubble gum? Eating a chocolate covered banana? Did those flavors make vaping far more pleasurable than smoking AND sucking, chewing, eating. I don’t know . . . I am seriously asking.

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          • booger71 says:

            They were smoking cigarettes. They make flavored cigarettes too. The “tobacco flavored” e-cig tastes nothing like a cigarette, that is why many people who wanted off cigarettes but still wanted the nicotine, turned to vaping.

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            • Debra says:

              So you are not smoking for the ‘taste’ of nicotine, you are smoking for the ‘effect of nicotine, and that ‘effect’ comes through the vaping mechanism whether or not the ‘taste‘ of nicotine is present? And that is the same as with some sort of flavored cigarettes?

              My question, again, seriously, was there any makers of bubblegum flavored nicotine sticks or chocolate covered banana cigarettes?

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              • emroled says:

                Yes and yes. I hear a lot of people talk about the “hit” of the vape going down, or the vapor being expelled – that’s what substitutes for the smoke. Ultimately, it’s a nicotine delivery system. So, it satisfies the addiction craving and the smoking habit. As for flavored cigarettes, yes there were (and I hear that there still are some that can be found), but at least the major manufacturers were banned from selling them. “For the kids” and all. Curiously, wine coolers, schnapps, marijuana edibles, etc. are still legal.

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          • The Demon Slick says:

            Smoking cigarettes. Before I was vaping flavors I was smoking cigarettes.

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        • JL says:

          I doubt it. It will be an inconvenience. But there’s a simple work around.

          Sellers will just sell unflavored e-liquid that comes with free flavor drops of your choice that you can add at home.

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      • foo says:

        Banning flavors on vape is like banning chocolate from cakes.
        It’s my choice as an adult what I put in my body.
        Everyone I know vapes and loves these flavors, they’re all adult.

        Why the heck should vaping be stuck with bitter tobacco flavors?

        Is the United States a free country or a prison?

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        • TPW says:

          Seems to me that alcohol comes in many flavors…….government deciding which industry is successful and pays the most in taxes defies logic behind banning e cigarettes No?

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    • MaineCoon says:

      I know nothing about vaping, but didn’t the FDA guy say nicotine flavored vaping isn’t being pulled, just flavored – i.e.mint, bubble gum, etc.– product? And, the nicotine product companies have 6 months to submit data to FDA for approval? Did I miss something?

      Why would we make the same mistake of allowing a health related product by-pass the FDA standards and result in consequences up to death and repeat the same tobacco-cigarette-industry cycle? Just rinse & repeat? This seemed geared towards children using flavored products. My impression is that the ultimate nicotine vaping products would have an age limitation to purchase, just like regular cigarettes. A little early to jump to the conclusion that all product is going to be banned. Cigarettes weren’t.

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      • booger71 says:

        Sorry, but Azar did say it:
        “So, with the President’s support, the Food and Drug Administration intends to finalize a guidance document that would commence enforcement to require that all flavors, other than tobacco flavor, would be removed from the market.

        This would include mint and menthol flavoring, as well as candy flavors, bubblegum flavor, fruit flavor, alcohol flavor. You get the drift.”

        What Azar is trying to infer is the “candy flavors” were developed for children….which is totally not the case. I tried the “tobacco” flavored e-cigs and they tasted nothing like a real cigarette. The flavors were developed for adults . He needs some new research.

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        • SteveT says:

          “SECRETARY AZAR: Thank you, Mr. President. So we briefed the President and First Lady today on as yet undisclosed, new data that we have from the National Youth Tobacco survey.”

          He obviously has some new research – the “as yet undisclosed, new data” referred to above. We’ll have to wait to see what is new.

          What I would support would be a ban on smoking/vaping within ten yards of the entrance to any restaurant etc. by people just popping out for a fag. I sympathise with those addicted, but as an asthmatic with complications, I don’t feel I should have to run the gauntlet of a cloud of smoke etc. to get in or out. Most people who smoke don’t realise how awful they smell of smoke and for how long it lasts, even when just passing through briefly. Would it be a real hardship for groups of smokers to move away from the entrance/exit? It’s not just the smell, it often leaves me wheezing for the next 15 – 30 minutes.

          SteveT

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        • JL says:

          What many people don’t realize is that to get tobacco flavored vaping liquid, you have to ADD the tobacco flavor.

          Unflavored vaping liquid tastes like nicotine (which tastes like caffeine, if you’ve had caffeine free soda or decaf coffee, you probably know what flavor is missing), and without nicotine it tastes like nothing.

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    • CE R says:

      This is indeed a huge deal for me as well. I managed to kick the smoking habit 2-1/2 years ago after a 30-year horrible habit, not to mention the atrocious smell associated with cigarettes, only with vaping. Prior to that had tried cold turkey (gained 15 pounds), Chantix (horrible nightmares), patches, and gum (which made me vomit). My 30-year-old son urged me to try vaping. I started with the 12 mg juice, then 6, and now down to 3 mg. I am now starting to mix the 3 mg with the 0 mg e-juice. The ultimate goal is to stop entirely, but I don’t want the government sticking its nose in my business regarding what type of flavors I use (mainly the fruit variety).

      Of course, that being said, I will not vote Democrat under any circumstance, but I will be contacting whitehouse.gov regarding this issue immediately. Let us stick together and make sure the President hears our collective voice.

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      • ezpz2 says:

        Congratulations! I also quit – for good – some 15-ish years ago. (not long enough ago, imo).

        Had tried many times before via different “techniques” but the last and most LASTING one was a type of Zen approach, and I didn’t gain weight, and it was relatively easy. My daughters had been after me for some time to quit, and they pointed me to some good websites.

        The saying “what we resist persists” is powerful.

        I stopped resisting the cravings, didn’t go for the gum, candy, carrots, or other substitutes and distractions, etc…. Instead, I just observed, even embraced the cravings, and in what seemed like no time at all, the cravings lost their grip over me.

        Also, a Twelve Step type of approach — admitting that I was powerless (no “will power”) somehow was empowering. Asking for help was even more empowering.

        Still, I wish I had quit sooner….
        Better yet, wish I had never started, but I file that under ‘the things I cannot change.”

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    • California Joe says:

      Anything made in China that you put in your body is poison especially this vapping crap. Why not just drink bleach or ammonia and get it done with quickly?

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      • ezpz2 says:

        Seriously? The vape stuff is made in China??

        I won’t knowingly eat anything that is made in China, mostly because I heard something years ago on the radio while driving. It totally grossed me out.

        Without getting too graphic, it’s what they use (used? past tense?) as fertilizer.

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        • Little Berkeley Conservative says:

          They have to get the vamping liquid and cartridge that holds the vaping liquid from somewhere, and Chyna is/was cheapest. It’s not just the chemical makeup of the liquid, but what materials are used in the heater? There are lots of nasty metals that heat up to vaporize the liquid.

          For marijuana use, the high end machines have quartz or ceramic between the heat and the liquid or use platinum. Cheap ones use chromed pot metal (no pun intended) and can release bad stuff.

          I was pretty amazed to hear them say that vapes were not regulated by the Obama cluster fudge of an administration.

          I have no problem with regulations on the food and drink I consume. The regulation of the chemicals used in the vaping liquids and the materials in the delivery system is no different.

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          • ezpz2 says:

            Interesting. …
            The more I learn about this, the happier I am that I never took it up.

            That said, it seems to help many to quit cigarettes, so I guess we’re talking lesser evils.

            I also agree that we need standards and regulations when it comes to things we consume or ingest, but flavors???

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      • cheryl says:

        My vape stuff is made in the US

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    • Pale rider says:

      Vape base ingredients: propylene glycol, a solvent, also an anti freeze fo foods. Used in several applications for ingesting. vegetable glycerin a fat split from vegetable oil one process uses lye.
      The glycerin is the large cloud the glycol cuts the glycerin so it will flow.
      When a solvent is in a lung it will burn it causing it to create mucus, kinda like pneumonia, I’ve had both the solvent is worse and it scars. If by chance you are allergic to either of course it’s much worse.
      The fats have been causing fat pockets in young lungs, just now these are becoming issues. One reason given is the introduction of THC oils into the vape juice.
      https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-mysterious-vaping-illness-characterized-fat-laden.html

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    • KnowSERENoFear says:

      As mentioned on another thread…the federal government has ZERO authority to regulate vape or tobacco. NONE!!!!

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    • OmegaManBlue says:

      THC isn’t legal in all states is it? Why are we allowing it’s sale across state lines be it good THC or junk. How are kids getting it? The vape community should direct their anger at those selling this stuff online and selling vape stuff to kids.

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    • ristvan says:

      Lurking Lawyer here
      I have a very different response, having been CEO of a small FDA regulated company for over a decade now Nd having lived this stuff up close and personal.
      There are hundred of people with reported severe vape lung damage, and at least 5 have died, from vaping E cig flavored nicotine (and maybe THC also, dunno). Now that is less than the millions who died over decades from cigarette induced lung cancer—but this is acute in just a couple of years, so would ordinarily trigger a device ban/recall.

      The FDCA of 1906 as amended is very clear. ECigs are drug delivery devices (nicotine or THC) and as such MUST be proven safe (even before effective) before allowed to be marketed. Let alone the various ‘flavored’ nicotine drugs being delivered by them.

      The epidemiological data now says they are not (sufficiently) safe. So the actual consumer safety law in existence for more than 100 years says to Juul and others, provide us the experimental data that says you are safe and effective. Then we will approve. Vapes have done neither. Another rapid PDJT CEO details move.

      And note the PDJT subtle legally expeditious carveout—‘non tobacco flavored’ vapes, which neatly sidesteps the whole horrendously historically complicated related tobacco cigarette as a nicotine drug dispenser legal historical mess at FDA under FDCA06.

      Man, he is a smart Sun Tsu fighter for MAGA.

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      • KnowSERENoFear says:

        The Constitution does NOT enumerate any authority to the federal government to regulate vape or tobacco. Therefore, per the 10th Amendment, that authority it reserved to the State and the People. Thus if my State regulates tobacco and/or vape substances, I am free to move to a another State that doesn’t.

        The argument that the federal government exists to protect us against ourselves is foolish and folly. Cars kill thousands more people than vape…should the fed outlaw cars? Electricity kills thousands more people than vape…should energy be outlawed? Vape doesn’t kill…it’s the use of it that kills…and if folks chose to use it, then they suffer the consequences for their choices.

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        • ristvan says:

          Well, you are just again wrong. Try A1§8.3, aka the interstate commerce clause. Please.

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          • JL says:

            I agree that in practice that is true.

            But the ICC has been abused for decades and used as an umbrella to regulate anything.

            If something is sold across state lines, the gov has authority to regulate. If something is produced and sold, intrastate only, the gov has authority to regulate it because it “affects interstate commerce”. If something is not sold at all, and is produced and consumed intrastate only, the Feds have the authority to regulate it, because it “has an effect on national markets”

            In our current interpretation of the ICC, the ICC has been used by the Federal Gov and the courts to regulate everything it not been granted the power to regulate by the rest of the Constitution.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        There are hundred of people with reported severe vape lung damage, and at least 5 have died, from vaping E cig flavored nicotine (and maybe THC also, dunno).

        It’s reported VAPE lung damage not confirmed VAPE lung damage.

        Ecigs have been on the market for 10 years with NO reported instances and suddenly
        (just as FDA is considering final rules coincidentally)
        “lung issues possibly linked to vaping”
        This is not acute….it is opportunistic.

        The tobacco lobby (cigarettes)
        and pharmaceutical lobby(chantix, nicoderm, nicorette)
        are behind this having lost literally BILLIONS of dollars
        Not to mention the billions lost in tobacco taxes as ecigs are not taxed as cigarettes.

        FOX had a VAPING CRISIS story on this weekend with a couple who’s son is having a double lung transplant……..blaming the condition on their son’s 4 pod a week vaping.
        While I sympathize with their situation what they said was instructive as caution

        The father stated his his son was just a regular kid, played sports worked out….
        an OTHERWISE healthy 19 year old boy.

        When asked how to describe the events leading up to his hospitalization, the mother said.
        My son had been feeling sick the night before and went to bed early, he came down the next morning and his color was off and he still wasn’t feeling well…..

        AS PART OF HIS BEING AS ASTHMATIC WE WERE USED TO HIS COUGHING FITS but this was different.

        I’m sorry but he’s “an otherwise healthy boy”???
        OTHER than the fact he had a pre-existing congenital lung condition.
        Probably shouldn’t be putting anything in his lungs except his inhaler meds.

        Possible lung ailments could be vaping…….or the cold you have.
        Just like that hurricane may be man made climate change……or Atlantic warm water.

        I appreciate you acknowledging that the scale of potential vaping illness pales in comparison to the known effects of smoking.
        And I’m all for continued research in this area.

        But given there is so LITTLE DETAILS about these alleged vape related illnesses
        (what were they actually putting in them being one of the big ones)
        the amount of money involved and the coincidental timing of this makes me highly suspicious.

        And of course no news agencies would ever make up a “crisis”
        (Except CNN who had a 7 hour town hall on one)

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    • The Demon Slick says:

      The real crime of the vaping industry is that yes, kids are vaping but about the same amount of kids are NOT SMOKING. That’s cutting into the government’s money on every level. I admit I didn’t expect this, I figured it would go the traditional route… bad publicity campaign followed by massive taxes on vaping products. “For the children!”. I hope President Trump takes a look at the data and rethinks it. The prohibition of flavors and the proliferation of tobacco flavors seems to just groom kids to smoke cigarettes. It’s not going to stop teen vaping. #PLEASEDONTTAKEMYAPPLEJACKS!
      (Heads to the vape site to load up)

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      The VAPING CRISIS.

      Sound familiar?

      E cigs helped me quit a 35+ year pack a day smoking habit in 2 weeks.
      7 years ago
      I can breathe again
      I can smell again
      I can taste again
      I can run again
      Reduced nicotine and NO TAR or chemicals due to combustion

      I researched this alot along the way.
      UK is WAY ahead of US in research
      10 years of ecigs and ZERO reported health effects and suddenly
      “lung ailments POSSIBLY linked to vaping” right before FDA rulings

      This CRISIS is all about

      The Tobacco Industry losing BILLIONS
      The Pharmaceutical Companies losing BILLIONS on Chantix, Nicorette, Nicoderm (which have an efficacy around 10%)
      And of course
      The Government losing BILLIONS in tobacco taxes (a bottle of vape juice is less than a 12 pack of beer and lasts a month)

      Your cough may be due to vaping…….or that cold you have.
      That hurricane may be climate change……or that warm Atlantic water.

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    • Bill says:

      I also agree. While it is nice for everyone to be healthy, wealthy, and wise, it is not government’s job to force everyone to comply with that. It is very problematic that government thinks that it exists to “fix” every aspect of everyone’s life. President Trump should not be trying to imitate Bloomberg and his New York style opinion that poor, innocent, childish and helpless American citizens should be protected from falling into any temptation to buy large soft drinks.

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    • margarite1 says:

      Vaping community? I didn’t know there was such a thing. In fact I have no idea why anyone does any of this $hit. How in the heck did vaping save your life?

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      • We are unpersons to you. It doesn’t matter because you are far better and smarter and above those of us who vape. Gee I wish we were all you. But let me ask you this. What do you enjoy the most? What if it was decided that we would take it away from you. Should we ban peanuts because children are dying from allergies to them? Should we ban flavored vodka because kids find it tasty? Should we ban guns because children are being killed by them?

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Margarite I’ll explain.

        Cigarettes are a combustible product (fire) the burning creates TAR (emphysema) and 1000s of other cancer causing off chemicals.
        Vaping is “steam” and the makeup of the liquid is simple.
        Just the fact that there is NO COMBUSTION makes vaping a SAFE-ER (not safe) alternative to nicotine delivered by a cigarette.

        The cigarette industry was aware of this technology years ago….and did nothing
        AND of course governments didn’t BAN cigarettes but instead EXTORTED them for the purposes of revenue (Settlement and TAXES)

        In 2009 the FDA confiscated and filed lawsuit against Sottera (NJoy) who had developed an electronic cigarette and was shipping to the US.
        The FDA LOST the lawsuit.

        As a result, the e cig industry found itself in a unique position:
        there were literally NO REGULATIONS governing it.
        NO RED TAPE

        It was SMOKER’S trying to quit cigarettes THAT DROVE THE INNOVATION with the EXPRESS PURPOSE
        of developing a product that was AS SAFE AS IT COULD BE

        THAT IS “THE VAPING COMMUNITY”

        Because of the lack of RED TAPE and Government looking over their shoulders that innovation happened at light speed.

        The Community POLICING ITSELF identified SAFETY issues and ADDRESSED THEM ON THEIR OWN
        -added safety circuitry to control power to the heating element
        -added safety circuitry to ensure battery safety
        -added shutoff circuitry to address short circuits or low resistence
        -developed temperature control circuitry to limit the temperatures of the vaporization point
        -identified and ELIMINATED flavorings that COULD be harmful
        -and of course features that would make it easier for smokers to transition to them
        -finally the amount of nicotine is user controlled and in fact OPTIONAL (i.e NONE)

        NO ONE TOLD THEM TO DO THIS.
        THE COMMUNITY DID IT THEMSELVES.

        Until just recently (last week) there have been NO DOCUMENTED cases of ill health effects from vaping—which is now 10 YEARS old and the products are better.
        And every issue that has occurred (mainly battery related fires) are because of MISUSE or ALTERATION of the product BY THAT INDIVIDUAL.

        Here’s the “problem”:
        The Tobacco industry has lost BILLIONS
        The Pharmaceutical Industry has lost BILLIONS (Sales of Chantix, Nicoderm, Nicorette, which have an efficacy of about 10% have plummeted
        And of course….
        Governments have lost BILLIONS in TAXES because e-cigs ARE NOT TOBACCO TAXED
        Do the math.

        The current VAPING CRISIS and health related issues are due to BLACK MARKET adulterated products in THC vape pens.

        No one wants these in the hands of kids no more than we want a bottle of Jack Daniels

        The CDC is saying that teens are vaping because of the FLAVORS while claiming that ecigs are a gateway “drug’ to cigarettes.
        So we should ban flavors.
        How in the HELL does that make sense?

        Why would a teen move to a cigarette that
        a) doesn’t have the FLAVOR
        b) STINKS to high heaven
        c) and is more dangerous

        When the FLAVORED ECIG option is there.
        Oh I know why
        THEY BAN THE FLAVORS but NOT THE CIGARETTES.

        Teens DO STUPID THINGS……..
        well all of them I guess EXCEPT YOU
        Cigarette use among teens has dropped dramatically because ecigs is replacing them
        AS THAT STUPID THING.
        Might as well be a SAFER stupid thing…..
        While they drink their GRAPE MONSTER RED BULL equivalent to 20 cups of coffee.

        As you said:
        In fact I have no idea why anyone does any of this $hit.

        Well I’ll let that pass…..because clearly YOU HAVE NO VICES OF YOUR OWN and never had any of your perfect family or friends die of a cigarette related illness

        I used ecigs to quit a 35+year smoking habit 7 years ago and I feel great.
        So YES they saved my life.

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    • margarite1 says:

      I don’t get it…have no idea why anyone would want to do this and certainly wouldn’t want my kids trying it.

      Guess my other comment ended up in the dumpster.

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    • GP says:

      Hi Trump Babe-I am in total agreement that big tobacco is behind this, my only surprise is that it took this long
      A few years ago my daughter wanted me to help her ($$$$$$$$$$) open a “Vape Shop”. I did consider it but told her there’s no way big tobacco will allow this competition to survive.

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    • JL says:

      Yes.

      This proposal is just an all around bad idea.

      Vaping is not tobacco. It does not come from tobacco. It is not made from tobacco. It does not burn tobacco. It is not smoking. It is not a cigarette, electronic or otherwise.

      The 6 recent deaths, in a country of 330 million people, are not due to vaping. If they are related to vaping, which has not been shown, it is because the liquid contained a contaminant. My guess, is the liquid came from China.

      Let’s not ban or restrict a far less harmful alternative to actual tobacco. Nicotine itself is not a carcinogen. It’s the smoking part and all the other crap contained in tobacco that causes cancer and the damaging cardio/pulmonary effects of smoking.

      Democrats ban things they dont think you should have. Let’s not be Democrats.

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  2. Susan Bolle says:

    If there is such a concern about children vaping, how many are now in homes with state legalized marijuana users? Marijuana is highly damaging to the brain of the unborn and children (others, as well, but children were the concern at the meeting) and its legalization was not recommended by the American Heart and Lung Associations. How many young kids who see parents using, know where it’s kept and begin at an early age to get high? These children are not meeting normal learning milestones and are subject to mental health issues. Many universities have done lengthy studies and also concur with the AHA and have dire warnings on its effects in children.. THC is responsible for many hospital admissions because it was used while vaping where an extremely high dose was metabolized and a reaction took place. Just like most things today, there are people who use to abuse anything.

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    • Guyski says:

      It seems marijuana gets a ‘pass’ on everything. Vaping leads to smoking, oh no. 😮 Mention marijuana could lead to use of other drugs, oh boy. 🤐

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      • Probably because the “gateway drug” theory has been disproven. Saying marijuana “definitely” leads to other drugs is like saying drivers licenses lead to homicide. After all, more than nine out of ten murderers HAVE DRIVERS LICENSES!

        I will say that in terms of potential health impacts, it doesn’t matter how you ingest nicotine. There’s no such thing as a “safe” way to ingest a carcinogen. Vapers of nicotine juice (flavored or not) aren’t really avoiding the dangers, only delaying them. They are just on the e-cig version of a methadone program. Addiction is addiction, until you stop using completely. And nicotine is as addictive a substance as any that has ever been studied. My genuine sympathies to the Trump Babe, but it’s her addiction doing the talking.

        Vaping isn’t safe merely because it is “safer” compared to smoking. Lungs aren’t made to ingest ANYTHING except clean air. We aren’t built for breathing water vapor as a habit.

        People who are already prone to addiction (by genetics or personality type) do graduate to the use of harder substances from “softer” ones. People with addictive personalities can also become addicted to food, unsafe sex, gambling and have multiple addictions. But most people do not fit into those categories. The vast majority try some drugs experimentally, and get drunk a few times (usually in their teens and twenties), and then stop over-indulging in anything. They grow up and graduate to more sophisticated “highs”, like making and spending money, or raising a family.

        It’s like alcoholism. Moderate alcohol use does not lead to addiction for most people – except for those who are alcoholics. For an alcoholic, it’s truly terrible and life-threatening in every way imaginable. They can’t tolerate the substance, and the only way out is to never, ever drink. There are those for whom marijuana use is the same way.

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        • booger71 says:

          I would disagree that nicotine is a carcinogen. The tar and other substances found in cigarettes contain the carcinogens. Nicotine is a stimulant

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          • I think you’re a bit behind on that. The studies in the last five years are indicating that nicotine alone IS a carcinogen. (I didn’t think this was a good forum to get into the mutagen vs. carcinogen explanation. Pretty complex for lay readers.)
            https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2014/06/061214-vbi-nicotine.html

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            • ristvan says:

              IM, yup. And addictive. And now taking in strong quantities, adulterated by god knows what vape flavorants.
              In what ‘free’ world do we allow high tech deliver of addictive carcinogens? Maybe some Libertarian Utopia, but not mine.
              One theoretical exception:
              People who vape or smoke cigs NOT eligible for any Medicare or Medicaid. They pay for their folly themselves. That should work for pure Libertarians.

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              • Raquel says:

                ristvan, I like your comment because it brings a good point into the discussion. We all pay for others’ bad habits when we purchase insurance. I am sure that I am not perfect in the diet and exercise department; but when people knowingly do harmful things to their bodies, especially if in excess, it is hard thing for me to accept the fact that I need to help pay for the results of it. It takes a lot of compassion on my part.

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                • ristvan says:

                  R, exactly. Simple solutions. As Darwin suggested, and Nature has always employed.

                  More personally, I was offended by the ACA ‘community rate standards’ that disallowed insurance rate changes for all ‘community’ conditions except smoking; meaning by omission obesity and diabetes. By 2020, diabetes will cost per CDC almost twice the cost of all cancer. It was already more in 2009 when I last checked the CDC facts. Diabetic neuropathy, hypertension, cardiovascular disease—all type 2 diabetic indications. Not to mention the drugs and insulin we, not they, mostly pay for.

                  I am fairly old (69) and still fairly fit (8 minute miles (slowing down from 5.5), Heavy lifts, still 30 minute max cal burns on elliptic trainers in gym. Why should I pay for the younger diabetic fatties around me?

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          • ezpz2 says:

            That tar is generated by the BURNING or incomplete combustion of the cigarettes.

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        • Guyski says:

          What is the difference between someone vaping and buying stuff off the street to put in their vapor and someone smoking a joint and lacing it with something they got from someone?

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    • Liz says:

      My daughter-in-law uses medical marijuana because it is the only thing that controls her epilepsy. She is a legal user and has chosen with my son to adopt and not have biological children. Vaping marijuana when the right kind of cartridge is used is extremely safe. Ingested marijuana through edibles is more psychoactive than inhaled and vaping is gentler than smoking.
      These issues are more complex than many make them out to be

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      • My niece’s nine year old son has severe intractable epilepsy called Dravet’s Syndrome. Little Liam has suffered seizures since he was 1. After all the failed seizure medication he has been on, his parents have been treating him with medical marijuana oil (major ingredient is CBD and tiny amount of THC). Marijuana oil was the only method that worked to reduce the 100s of seizures he could have in a day. Liam is not cured and never will be and is still subject from seizures. But at least for periods of time, he is almost seizure free and can go to school like any other little boy. His parent set up a Facebook page called “Liam’s Army” to document his journey.

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      • ristvan says:

        Liz, with you. I have a close business colleague whose severely epileptic daughter was only controlled by THC. He broke laws for years to help his daughter, but was also instrumental in getting the medical marijuana law finally passed in Illinois.

        My significant other has Anxiety Disorder, subclass PSTD, triggered by a near fatal anaphylactic shock episode where she literally could not breathe and said goodby as I was racing her down our Georgia resort mountain to a doc clinic for an epipen injection. Her classic PSTD flashbacks are ‘I cannot breathe.’ Her psychiatrist prescribed as one of three drugs clonazapam (a mildly addictive benzodiazapam Valium analog tranquilizer) that takes too long to take effect, altho an hours long solution thereafter. So THC vape hit is all I have left for alleviating her acute onset symptoms. Works so far. Tried Colorado THC gummies—no better than prescription clonazapam. Simply not fast acting enough for acute onset symptoms.

        I am very worried about the vaping lung disease. But hopefully is more related to flavored nicotine than THC. We, residences, and family are all now in medical marijuana states (FL, GA, CO, IL), so is a medical rather than legal issue except for possible FDA vape approvals.

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  3. graphiclucidity says:

    Wow.
    The level of disinformation about this vaping issue is staggering.

    The people getting sick from vaping are not using flavored nicotine infused vaping juice available at Vape Shops or in E-cigarettes.
    They are getting sick from using THC-infused (cannabis) vaping juice containing Vitamin E oil and/or Butane, from producers who couldn’t care less about quality or safety, which gums up the lungs over time and eventually causes pneumonia.

    This isn’t the first time we’ve been hearing blatant misinformation from this FDA commissioner.
    He is still on a crusade against Kratom, which helps people with pain management, anxiety, and opioid addicts to kick their habits. Dr. Sharpless has claimed over and over again that Kratom is an opioid synthetic that is as dangerous as heroin.
    In fact, Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) is an organic botanical substance that is from a plant in the coffee family, not the poppy family, is much less addictive, and also doesn’t cause severe withdrawal when use is stopped.

    I truly hate seeing President Trump make a decision this far-reaching, due to blatant misinformation and hysteria.

    Keep vaping out of the hands of children, sure, just like tobacco products.
    But keeping safe, flavored, products from adults is asking for backlash from millions who support him.

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    • Kaco says:

      I thought the danger in vaping was caused by some flavors that cause the “popcorn lung”, particularly custard or butter type flavors.

      I don’t think this ban will set well with some voters either. Sure, let’s try to keep them out of children’s hands, but I am more concerned by the rampant marijuana use after legalization. Burnouts, people living in the streets, Colorado has turned to crap, I hear and read.

      I’m not too keen on what kind of gun control options they are offering either, especially Red Flag laws. It was pointed out on the_donald, that CNN decided today of all days talk about how “right wingers are biggest terrorist threat”. Well, isn’t that special.

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      • Popcorn lung, while continuously retweeted and reposted ad nauseum was debunked years ago. False study on a cluster of people who got sick in a popcorn factory. Apparently, they thought it might be an ingredient that was in the popcorn that was also found in very early Chinese products that hasn’t been used in years. Even the ingredient wasn’t the same and they never even proved whether it was that. No one has developed “popcorn lung” since.

        86% of recent illnesses are connected with bootleg THC cartridges laces with Vitamin E oil and butane sold on the street illegally. The other 14%, I suspect, are lying.

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    • Liz says:

      You are right. Water extracted vapor cartridges from dispensaries are widely used and safe. They are economical for medical users. Other types are not safe. Thanks for a more informed response

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  4. CuriousInAz says:

    I’m no fan of vaping but this is a foolish position to take leading up to the 2020 election…but then again so is gun control.

    If I could make one statement to POTUS it would be that:

    “upsetting those that support you in an effort to appease those that never will, is a fool’s bargain”

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  5. booger71 says:

    “This would include mint and menthol flavoring, as well as candy flavors, bubblegum flavor, fruit flavor, alcohol flavor. You get the drift.”

    No I don’t Director because the people (adults) I know who vape or use e-cigs like the flavors more than the “tobacco” flavor. I am just a run of the mill cigarette smoker myself, but I did try e-cigs a few years back, but it never seemed like a got enough nicotine to satisfy me.

    By the way, outlawing cigarettes to people under 18 or 21 has not stopped it. It just raised the cost.

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    • Guyski says:

      Hmmm 🤔

      Flavored vodkas—flavors include lemon, lime, lemon-lime, orange, tangerine, grapefruit, raspberry, strawberry, blueberry, teaberry, vanilla, black currant, chili pepper, cherry, apple, green apple, cinnamon, coffee, chocolate, cranberry, peach, pear, passion fruit, pomegranate, plum, mango, white grape, banana, pineapple, coconut, mint, melon, rose, herbs, bacon, honey, cinnamon, kiwifruit, whipped cream, tea, root beer, caramel, marshmallow, and many more.

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  6. Gort says:

    Trump should have pulled out his Sharpie and doodled something on a piece of paper, just to make all the loons at CNN and MSNBC go nuts.

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  7. Shamus says:

    Huge Trump supporter but this is wrong. I quit cigarettes 6months ago and use the Juul vape. I see this as a slow mission creep of misinformation. Banning flavors then moving onto other the vape itself. Big tobacco is thrilled.

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    • sickconservative says:

      I quit 9 years ago and have reduce my nicotine percent by a third, they are just looking at these millennial’s that really take in more vape in one puff than I do in hours.

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      • sickconservative says:

        should have said two thirds.

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      • ezpz2 says:

        Congrats! I quit many years ago, too. Lost count…maybe 15 years or so.
        I didn’t substitute cigs with any other nicotine product.

        Well, actually, I did get and fill an Rx for Nicotrol inhaler. It cost over $100 back then, but I thought it would be cost effective, given the money I would no longer spend on cigarettes.

        Funny thing, though, is that I rarely used the Nicotrol. I just carried it with me for “emergency” purposes, and over the years, only used it a handful of times. In fact, I still have them, but they are VERY expired.

        I agree with most here, that govt should not impose these kinds of bans or restrictions.
        Freedom is one of the main things that makes this country great, and when they start taking it away, bit by bit, well….that can become a slippery slope.

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    • ezpz2 says:

      Congratulations!

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  8. Colorado Conservative says:

    Deplorables you need to be emailing President Trump at the White House website to tell him this is a big mistake. Millions of former cigarette smokers have been helped by vaping. Meanwhile kids in states that have legalized recreational marijuana are using weed products since their parents and older friends are buying it.

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  9. emroled says:

    Very good arguments made here. Go to https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ and tell them directly to the President.

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  10. Miller says:

    I’m 62 and have smoked since I was 15 and still do. I’ve tried everything to quit except vaping because I know it won’t work, just replacing one bad habit with another one. The only way to stop is to do like my dad,grandfather, 3 uncles and 2 brothers. Put them down and stop smoking. Can’t blame anyone for our own decision to start and then can’t quit on our own. I don’t want to see any kid get started smoking real cigarettes or vaping because I was a kid when I started.

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  11. bullnuke says:

    A stupid move that surprises me. The facts are not even known. Vaping has been around for a long time and now a sudden spike in health problems? As said earlier, I blame the bootleg THC cartridges. Who knows what is in those. Synthetic crap? Probably the first decision by this White House I think is stupid and uncalled for.

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    • Trump Train says:

      First “vaping” is f** stupid shit, just another for of addict. But that said i don’t get this at all. It makes no sense. This is democrat 101

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  12. burnett044 says:

    as i type this i am vaping ..have been for many years….it got me off cigs/tobacco…
    I feel it will be a major mistake for PT to do what he is planning….
    Kids are using vaping of all kinds of crazy stuff…sort of like eating Tide pods….
    and lots of folks market the kids with candy type stuff….but to remove all but tobacco flavor is wrong and will lead to kids and adult turning back to tobacco….something stinks in all the so called experts here…once again follow the money and look at the need to control us.

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  13. Rejoicing this decision:
    Big Tobacco
    Big Pharma
    Big Government

    Follow the Money.

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  14. I am happy that there are many here who feel as I do. They are seizing on a tragic situation to grab the vaping industry by the jugular. Sound familiar? If they can do this “for the children” they can easily take your guns “for the children.”

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    • trapper says:

      I am not going to argue with you on your single issue, but simply make a suggestion. If I felt as strongly as you do about it, I would immediately go out and buy a two year’s supply of my favorite vaping products so I could weather any temporary moratorium on sale of those products that may be imposed. Don’t get mad, get stocked up, just like we all did with ammo for 8 years.

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    • sickconservative says:

      What do you like that might have helped you are you willing to give up?

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    • Exfiltration of Wealth says:

      I am completely empathetic with your situation, Trump babe and thank you for so accurately and articulately stating the issue.
      It is vital that those of us who do vape, educate the population that doesn’t as to what is really going on here.
      Look to see a lot more people following you on Twitter!

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    • Exfiltration of Wealth says:

      I am completely empathetic with your situation, Trump babe and thank you for so accurately and articulately stating the issue.
      It is vital that those of us who do vape, educate the population that doesn’t as to what is really going on here.
      Look to see a lot more people following you on Twitter!

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  15. This makes me so angry!! I smoked for 40 years! Couldn’t stop for nothing, not for lack of trying. I Just couldn’t stick with it. I took a chance one day and tried to vape. I never smoked another cigarette and have no desire to try one. it’s been two and a half years and I have never felt better. This is just not fair!! People will go back to smoking cigarettes and will die. There is no comparison between vaping and smoking cigarettes for me except for nicotine.I

    I’m sending an email to the White House right now!😢

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  16. Ben says:

    Still no punishment of the sanctuary mayors and governors. But, by golly, I can no longer buy a bump stock or, soon enough, flavored e-juice. And there’s over 6 million visa overstays that aren’t being corrected, not to mention all aliens hiding out in the aforementioned sanctuaries. Way to get your priorities in order there, Mr. Trump!

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  17. Canada Needs Trump says:

    Leaving Trump over a flavor ban until more proofs can be done is foolish and is about a low informed voter which is the main issues why democrats even win some elections. Thats the real problem. Vote against Trump for this reason and put Bernie or Elizabeth Warren in and see what real important freedoms you lose. This issue should be very low even on Vapers scales. Key word “Should”.

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    • mamajen says:

      Low information addict voters. Pathetic.

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    • Debra says:

      Thanks, Canada. What has been glommed over is that when the vaping technology came about, FDA testing/regulation/guidelines were verily ABSENT. (Obama Admin).

      Would the people here needing this type of fix not be in favor of maintaining their ‘legal’ vape while the FDA cracks down on the illicit, and until the technology advances to the point of disabling the device should an illegal juice mixture be attempted to be used by a vaper?

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    • foo says:

      This is a nanny-state move straight from the San Francisco playbook.

      The state is not my daddy.

      I don’t care if it’s just flavors.
      A decade ago it was just “unsafe” light bulbs and since then I can’t find the lumens required to stave off depression.

      If Trump can’t do something basic like keep government paws off my personal life I see zero difference between him and one of the other nanny-state nutjobs in the DNC clown-car.

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  18. WIVoter says:

    President Trump is listening to Melania and Ivanka and they are typical women who are driven by emotion . Being a woman myself, I know women are very vulnerable to emotional appeals and fall for government to be their savior. God made women the way we are but I truly believe God wants men to be in charge because, in general, men aren’t swayed by some emotional story to sucker us to fall for socialism or worse. Men who are socialists or communists aren’t, in general, swayed by emotion but are leftists who know exactly what they want to accomplish regarding the laws of the United States. President Trump is turning into a gun grabbing big government president and I will not support his reelection because President Trump believes in the red flag laws that take away our 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th amendment rights laid out in the Bill of Rights.

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    • Yy4u says:

      Calm down everyone. Worst case scenario with Trump is vaping gets outlawed. Worse case with Democtats is vaping and everything else gets outlawed. I dont smoke and I dont vape but like the war on drugs and prohibition it simply goes underground. Write the president. He .listens to us.

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    • foo says:

      This over-reaction makes sense in context.

      Trump’s campaign sells straws as a dig on lefty over-reach and hysteria.

      Trump’s unapologetic stances have resulted in relentless ridicule, un-personing, and gas-lighting of his voters.

      This is why the vaping issue is hitting harder emotionally than the prospect of red flag laws:

      On this announcement he publicly about-faced and behaved like the people who treat his own voters like sub-humans.

      Hopefully he gets the message. He doesn’t seem to realize how badly he’s stepping in it here.

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    • ms doodlebug says:

      “Being a woman myself, I know women are very vulnerable to emotional appeals and fall for government to be their savior.”

      As a woman, I know we use emotional appeals to get what we want from men. A little frown, a cold shoulder, a well-timed tear…

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  19. ParteaGirl says:

    “So we’re looking at it very closely. And, you know, if nothing else, this is a conference that’s going to let people KNOW about it, because people are going to WATCH what we’re saying. And PARENTS are going to be a lot tougher with respect to their children…

    And I hope that parents that — you know, they have children, and the children are a certain age — I hope they’re going to be able to make WISE DECISIONS, maybe based on what we’re saying today.”
    (emphasis mine)

    My take is that the President and Melania have become alarmed by what they’ve heard, (most likely from Barron and his school,) and what they’ve read about vaping. BUT, based on the statements above, this appears to be a “head’s up” for parents about vaping and a much needed conversation starter for parents and their kids. If he was seriously planning some kind of ban, which is so out-of-character for him, I mean, he just UN-banned incandescent light bulbs, then why did he say that he wants parents to make wise decisions?

    Just my 2 cents.

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    • Somebody says:

      I guess you missed what Azar had to say, he said a ban would go into effect in a week or two and there would be a 30 day grace period. Tobacco flavor would be available until May 2020. If any company can get FDA approval then they can return to market, well what do you think the odds are of FDA approval?

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  20. Larry says:

    I’m all in favor of this, but I think he’s doing it for about 3-4 other reasons in addition to protecting youth. One of those reasons could be using this as a way to find who needs to be drained from the FDA swamp. See who is on the take when the regs are put in.

    Another reason he may have had this “new news” is to distract the media from a bigger thing. I noticed he mentioned “The Libya Model” several times in relation to Bolton leaving. No one in the media asked what that was. The Libya Model is a phrase that makes everyone think of Kaddafi, Benghazi, Clinton and Obama, so he might be paving the way for some near term disclosure on that. Remember, he said this on 9/11!

    I don’t think the vape regs are a big deal or a vote loser. He’ll probably wind up with some tightening of the supply and some regs about the children, but those who want to vape will have no problem continuing their deadly habit if they wish. Probably pick off some Democrat “help the children” votes in the process.
    So have faith y’all, not all is what it seems with your favorite president, as you know. He will not let us down. Big picture.

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    • Glad to hear you aren’t too concerned about it. /s

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      • lolli says:

        Trump babe,
        It’s always the same, some who are not affected just shrug their shoulders.
        This is about liberty and personal choice.

        So ironic, I can choose to kill my baby, but I can’t choose to vape mint?
        So glad our govt cares so much about us, right?? Ya, that govt.

        If the vaping is deadly, why just ban the flavored? Why not all? They will. This is tobacco lobbying the FDA I imagine.
        And they get a twofer, piss off PT supporters. (It’s not the vaping ban, it’s more govt encroachment.
        And as others have mentioned, there are sure a lot of alcohol flavors. Hmm, DUI’s, traffic deaths, family abuse, homicide, suicide. Oh well…I agree, personal choice.

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    • WVNed says:

      My deadly habit has allowed my lungs to heal. I smoked for 30 years and vaped for 10.
      Haven’t died once.
      Obama killed an industry and now Trump has.

      I dont see a difference.

      Liked by 4 people

      • LafnH20 says:

        From what I can tell….

        There is NO DIfference to find!
        NOTHING has happened YET?!

        It is being looked onto…

        NOTHING has been Decided!
        NOTHING has been Banned!
        NOTHING has Changed!

        N O T H I N G

        If and when it does….

        Argue the Facts…..

        JMO

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        • ezpz2 says:

          But why stress people out with the prospect of taking something from them that they have come to rely on and even enjoy? Especially today on 9/11.

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          • LafnH20 says:

            ezpz2, Please, see, susandyer2962 post below.

            Seems to give us some background.

            Considering, The Whitehouse has info we don’t, and has it before we do…

            Explains much, imho.

            Let’s see what happens.

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    • foo says:

      “I don’t think the vape regs are a big deal or a vote loser.”

      They’re utter hypocrisy coming from a campaign the sells straws over a similarly hysterical and invasive ban.

      The red flag laws are a much bigger issue, but this feels like open gas-lighting and has me fuming even though I don’t even vape.

      I’m not the only one seeing it this way. Huge swaths of MAGA twitter and 4chan are exploding over this in a way that dwarfs red flag laws.

      Trump is acting exactly like the paternalistic urban elitists he spent the past 3 years deriding.

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  21. thedustmaker says:

    Vaper here too. 59 now & breathe so much better than when I traded my cigs for this almost 8 years ago, my wife as well. Was in the business as well until the prancing BO & his FDA put us out of business with regulations.

    I’ve watched this newest con game going on right now against nicotine vaping (we went through many in the biz) and it seems to have nothing to do with the nicotine vaping.

    Nonetheless, Trump 2020, best President ever, we cannot do without him in charge! And yup, he’ll hear from both of us.

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  22. Mike in a Truck says:

    Oh noooooos, PDJT will lose reelection because people cant get flavored vape juice. Hey, awhile back some kid built a nuclear reactor in his basement. How hard is it to conjure up flavored vape juice?

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  23. Brian L says:

    Just make it so that you need to be 18 to buy vape paraphernalia? How is that so hard?

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  24. Sherri Young says:

    Vaping is the absolutely least interesting part of this presser for me. PDJT opened up about John Bolton. Quite interesting. Was not expecting any of that.

    Liked by 2 people

    • LafnH20 says:

      FTA…

      (There is a redirect in the link above)

      ‘Courageous’ parents are credited with leading to a drug bust police believe is the biggest to date involving counterfeit vaping cartridges
      RAQUEL RUTLEDGE, MARY SPICUZZA | MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL
      Updated 1 hour ago

      The probe reportedly led back to two Kenosha County brothers — Tyler and Jacob Huffhines — and a major drug operation running out of a condominium in an upscale neighborhood that officials said was rented under a fake name. 

      “These parents were very courageous for what they did,” Waukesha Police Capt. Dan Baumann said Wednesday. “If it wasn’t for these parents coming through and holding their son accountable, I don’t think we’d be here today giving you the information and the gravity of this vaping epidemic that’s going on in the nation right now. … I’m grateful for these parents.”

      Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said the operation allegedly run by the Huffhines brothers may be one of the largest of its kind in the nation to date.

      The operation included as many as 10 employees who were paid $20 per hour to fill the empty cartridges with THC oil that authorities say came from California – cranking out 3,000 to 5,000 cartridges per day. Workers then placed the cartridges in counterfeit packaging with labeling that included candy-like names and wording suggesting the THC content was minimal.

      Instead, the cartridges contained as much as 1,000 mg of THC – more than 150 times what the label indicated, authorities said.

      Jars of THC oil were seized in raid in Kenosha County. Each jar is reportedly worth $6,000.  
      KENOSHA COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT
      “It’s not candy; it’s highly potent drugs,” Beth said.

      Officials could not say what other ingredients may have been included in the cartridges.

      The cartridges were sent to a lab for testing and authorities were working with federal agents to determine whether the cartridges were tied to any of the deaths or illnesses across the country that doctors have suspected were tied to vaping.

      The counterfeit and high-potency THC cartridges were ending up throughout Waukesha-area high schools and elsewhere, authorities said.

      https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2019/09/11/vaping-courageous-parents-lead-massive-vaping-cartridge-bust/2290224001/

      (No redirect/ No giggle)

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    • LafnH20 says:

      TY, susandyer1962!!!
      🎩

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  25. Pammipoo says:

    I believe this will just create an underground black market or vape juice, just as Prohibition created a black market or alcohol. Only there will be no restrictions on content or quality control. People will be poisoned by black market vape juice or expired, rancid juice. This is misguided bureaucratic rulemaking again, just like the Obama and earlier administrations did to regulate us to death and bypass lawmakers in Congress.

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    • OmegaManBlue says:

      Or people will make their own. Easy way to get around this is set up a shop and sell everything needed to make juice but customers will have to mix it on their own.

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  26. gda53 says:

    Relax. This is going nowhere.

    Who are the people really screaming blue murder over this? Parents. Because they are (legitimately or not) scared for their kids.

    Who comprises the majority of parents? Suburban mums and dads.

    What demographic is PDJT worried about? Suburban women.

    So bringing this up shows the President cares deeply about suburban women.

    And there you have it!

    Relax. This is a political virtue signal. Nothing will actually be done.

    Alls fair in love and war. This is war.

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      Azar sounds both sincere and specific about what he is going to do

      It must have been sometime when I wasn’t paying attention that the FDA acquired the unilateral power to outlaw products and services without an act of Congress. Too bad this system wasn’t around back in the day, they could have avoided all the trouble of passing the 18th amendment and just had the FDA issue an edict instead.

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  27. ezpz2 says:

    I know people have always gotten around the age restrictions issue, but can’t they just label the products that you must be 18 or older to use?

    Or do they already do that? (I never vaped, so I really have no idea.)

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    • In Texas it is treated the same as cigarettes and has been since I started 7 years ago. Best decision I ever made to switch from cigarettes. If they ban the flavors it will not be temporary. I mix my own now to save money but I am sure that will even become hard eventually as they will go after people selling flavors advertised for vaping. Then people will start mixing random food flavorings not knowing what is in it and causing serious health issues. This is bad bad bad. Nothing good about this. I only like fruit flavors so I am SOL. This is total crap.

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    • OmegaManBlue says:

      Speaking of labeling and sell if I wanted to sell hot sauce I made I would probably have more hoops to jump through than if I wanted to sell vape juice. And who is inspecting vape juice makers?

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  28. ms doodlebug says:

    I have read all of these comments and have one question for all those so upset about ‘flavors’ being taken off the market. In view of the fact that vaping has been identified as the cause of death of children, how many children’s lives are you willing to risk so you can vape your favorite flavor?

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    • Ben says:

      Comment deleted by Admin…

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        • Somebody says:

          Yes we need to ban tide pods for the children. While we’re at it, social media has killed more children than vaping, so let’s ban social media. Alcohol has got to go, poor little kids have no self control. Bikes, OMG bikes must go and cars! Guns must go too, we have to protect the children, it’s for the greater good. The almighty state will protect the children, unless they’re in the womb.

          It’s for the children, stop whining and walk everywhere. You don’t need social media, I mean if it saves one life. A gun? Surely you jest, gotta protect the wee ones. A dry life for all, but the children will be safe!

          How about parents do their job? Punishing law abiding citizens is not the answer. How is it that decades ago parents took responsibility for their kids choices and now they want the state to ban things so they don’t have to do their jobs?

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      • Ad rem says:

        If you want your comment to be accepted, try not employing name-calling in your reply.

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    • Apply your logic to guns. You are not thinking this through very well.

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      • ms doodlebug says:

        What is it that I am not thinking through? Kids have died with their deaths attributed to vaping. What is vaping? Sucking substances and particles into the lungs that don’t belong in the lungs? And we’re surprised that it causes health problems, even death? Have we learned nothing from the dangers of cigarette smoking, inhaling coal dust and asbestos?

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    • Apply your logic to guns. You are not thinking this through very well.

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      • I was responding to doodlebug. This is just not sound logic as another poster showed above. People are using your exact argument on twitter for why guns need to be banned. Stop taking things from people and thinking it is ok because it doesn’t affect you. I hate football, every commercial 9 months of the year is related to football. It invades all and annoys me to no end. I will never spend a second watching it again as long as I live and I will tell others why. But if someone wanted to ban it I would stand up against that as it is a bad idea and wrong. FYI, more individuals have had CTE and other live altering and shortening injuries from football than have had vaping disease. Most of those affected are under 21. Do you suggest we should ban football? Could you imagine the response from football lovers?

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    • GotTaGo says:

      You know nothing. The “dead kids” and the sick ones are not because of flavors, it’s because they’re using illegal THC cartridges bought on the street. Those THC vapes contain a vitamin E oil as a carrier which is deadly on the lungs.

      This flavor ban does nothing to address the current “crisis”.

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      • ms doodlebug says:

        I know nothing – but you know where these kids are getting their vapes? I doubt it. How many people died from smoking cigarettes, breathing coal dust, or asbestos, before it was proven to be harmful? Let’s just let the kids die to prove that sucking anything other than air into our lungs is harmful. We certainly don’t want to interfere with the pleasure of adults…sucking.

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  29. Derek Hagen says:

    Bunch of crazy nicotine addicts going crazy here today, eh what?

    Liked by 1 person

  30. burnett044 says:

    freedom to choose…seems someone is always after that right..and pushing anything under ground is not a good thing…
    if ya vape and want the freedom to choose to do so ..well you will soon be called a troll if you voice your.. opinion….
    mercy how the self righteous love to control.

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  31. LafnH20 says:

    FTA…

    ‘Courageous’ parents are credited with leading to a drug bust police believe is the biggest to date involving counterfeit vaping cartridges
    RAQUEL RUTLEDGE, MARY SPICUZZA | MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL
    Updated 1 hour ago

    The probe reportedly led back to two Kenosha County brothers — Tyler and Jacob Huffhines — and a major drug operation running out of a condominium in an upscale neighborhood that officials said was rented under a fake name.

    “These parents were very courageous for what they did,” Waukesha Police Capt. Dan Baumann said Wednesday. “If it wasn’t for these parents coming through and holding their son accountable, I don’t think we’d be here today giving you the information and the gravity of this vaping epidemic that’s going on in the nation right now. … I’m grateful for these parents.”

    Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said the operation allegedly run by the Huffhines brothers may be one of the largest of its kind in the nation to date.

    The operation included as many as 10 employees who were paid $20 per hour to fill the empty cartridges with THC oil that authorities say came from California – cranking out 3,000 to 5,000 cartridges per day. Workers then placed the cartridges in counterfeit packaging with labeling that included candy-like names and wording suggesting the THC content was minimal.

    Instead, the cartridges contained as much as 1,000 mg of THC – more than 150 times what the label indicated, authorities said.

    Jars of THC oil were seized in raid in Kenosha County. Each jar is reportedly worth $6,000.
    KENOSHA COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT
    “It’s not candy; it’s highly potent drugs,” Beth said.

    Officials could not say what other ingredients may have been included in the cartridges.

    The cartridges were sent to a lab for testing and authorities were working with federal agents to determine whether the cartridges were tied to any of the deaths or illnesses across the country that doctors have suspected were tied to vaping.

    The counterfeit and high-potency THC cartridges were ending up throughout Waukesha-area high schools and elsewhere, authorities said.

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2019/09/11/vaping-courageous-parents-lead-massive-vaping-cartridge-bust/2290224001/

    🎩 susandyer1962 on September 11, 2019 at 8:00 pm

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  32. I smoked for 15 years and quit cold turkey. It took me three cold turkies…first time quit for a year, then when I went back I used these really low nicotine things and smoked for 6 months, then quit again, then started again, then quit for good. Took a couple of years. It got easier to quite because of the low nicotine cigs.

    I don’t understand why vaping is any different than smoking. You are still taking smoke into your lungs and nicotine into your blood stream. The smoke in and of itself is really damaging to your gus and lungs. I don’t understand the benefits. Could someone explain…this is serious question. Thanks.

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  33. burnett044 says:

    San Fran…leading the way..

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  34. desperatelyseekingmelania says:

    I’m confused

    The FDA can’t (or doesn’t want to, I’m not sure which) outlaw tobacco cigarettes, but it both can and wants to outlaw flavored vaping products.

    When did it acquire this power to unilaterally act this way? I must be some ignorant rube not to have known that they could.

    And if so, why haven’t they banned cigarettes already?

    I believe the answer to that question tells you who is really driving this bus.

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    • MNcarrypermitholder says:

      Prohibition required a constitutional amendment. I’ve asked a lot of lawyers, and so far none of them have been able to direct me towards the amendment that enabled the prohibition of the other 872,321 substances that we’ve banned since then.

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    • Debra says:

      I answered you above, likening this to the store shelves being stripped of Tylenol for testing, etc. Another example would be the tampon brand that was put out of business.

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      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        Not comparable. They didn’t unilaterally outlaw Tylenol. Or all tampons. Just the one offending brand.

        In this case, rather than trying to address the particular problem, they are moving to ban an entire category of products.

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        • Debra says:

          That is because NONE of the brands (such that just one can be singled out) have gone through a standardized quality control, because there are no standards! Further, the government is NOT taking away anyone’s nicotine administering device.

          I don’t quite understand the argument that people are claiming that it is ‘just’ the bootleg cartridges that are causing issues, when NONE of these manufacturers are operating under any guidelines that have been given a seal of approval, other than than the endorsement of Sean Hannity . . .

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  35. burnett044 says:

    from 2016…Congressman Hunter….lol

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  36. TeaForAll says:

    There have been 215 cases of severe Lung Disease from vaping e cigarettes and the CDC is investigating.
    https://www.vice.com/en_asia/article/j5y5xd/experts-are-struggling-to-figure-out-why-there-are-so-many-vape-related-illnesses

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  37. WVNed says:

    And the people that are dying using the street stuff will continue to do so.
    So I doubt that has anything to do with it.

    Liked by 2 people

  38. burnett044 says:

    many of those dying have been using a vape product with vitamin E…and other carriers most used to vape THC…
    black market stuff will harm ya know your juice….
    to stop drunk driving we do not ban all driving…..makes no sense to ban all vaping

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  39. cheryl says:

    I vape menthol flavored and I’d appreciate it if people would leave it alone. Just because parents can’t control their kids, I have to suffer?

    Liked by 6 people

    • foo says:

      Contact the whitehouse.
      Heck.. CALL their switchboard tomorrow and speak to them.
      It will have more impact than an email that can be binned with a click.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Debra says:

      If there is such a product as menthol cigarettes, then, yes, I agree with you. It is the flavoring that is enticing to children which is the issue. Are you a parent? Did your young kids clamor for menthol candy when you had them in the store?

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    • yy4u says:

      I said the following many years ago: Everyone is responsible for everyone else so no one is responsible for himself.

      That in a nutshell is why parents expect schools to feed their children three meals a day (some even send the kids home with food for the weekend), the government to take care of our health care, the FDA to be sure we don’t put anything in our bodies we shouldn’t, in short — taking care of us so we don’t have to grow up and take care of ourselves.

      A first step would be to stop the lawyers from being able to sue for millions if someone does something stupid (like put hot coffee in her lap) and gets injured.

      I don’t vape and I don’t smoke and think both are pretty silly, but if we are willing to suffer the consequences of our actions, it isn’t up to Big Brother to tell us we can’t.

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      • Debra says:

        Except for when the taxpayers are on the hook because the government is found liable for allowing an attractive nuisance to exist which may be killing people . . .

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  40. timbernc says:

    I don’t know where to start. I’ve read this website daily for several years and never felt the need to express my opinion before. I can’t believe some of the comments here actually support this potential (for now) new government overreach. Anyone still in favor of small government around here?
    The government that bans silly “flavors” for the children will soon be taking our straws, meats, private vehicles, guns, sodas, plastic bottles, pets, and anything else somebody thinks is mildly scary. Don’t expect help with your little issue if you aren’t willing to stand up for everyone else.
    We need less nanny state, unless it’s not my thing getting ruined this time, right?

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  41. MNcarrypermitholder says:

    For people looking to stock up, I have not found a method of storing blended fluids, but I have had good results storing components by minimizing the three killers: oxygen, light, temperature.

    I buy bulk nicotine and re-bottle it into brown or cobalt glass bottles and caps with cone-shaped seals. I fill to the neck and place the cap on loosely, then I set it in a large-mouth canning jar and use a vacuum sealing cap to evacuate the air. If I got it just right, it’ll seal using the same principle that the canning jar vacuum sealing uses. Basically, as you draw a vacuum above it, the cap has room to float up allowing air to burp out, but when outside pressure is restored, it will seal the contained vacuum. Carefully lift the bottle out of the jar and tighten the cap. If it turns too easily, the vacuum probably didn’t hold and you should try again.

    This minimizes the oxygen available for mischief in the bottle. The darkly colored glass reduces light. The last step is putting the bottles back in the cardboard box and the box into the deepest darkest part of your freezer.

    Using this method, I’ve stored liquid for 2 years and counting and it looks and smells brand new. Before I perfected this technique, I had liquid go bad in ~6 months.

    I use the same technique to store the concentrated flavors I use, but in much smaller bottles. Everything else, which I call my “pre-mixed base” is mixed in bulk (in meticulously cleaned laboratory glassware using a magnetic auto-stirrer), then stored using the same method. I keep one bottle of nicotine, one bottle of flavor, and one bottle of my base in the fridge. I blend the three into my carry bottle as needed. What I carry in my pocket is enough for a week to 10 days, and by the end of the bottle, the yellowing is apparent and the flavor is off.

    This method will probably extend the life of commercial fluids somewhat, but I don’t think it is a viable long-term solution. I suspect that there is some loosely-bound oxygen available in most flavorings. Good luck.

    I’m pretty much detached from the market, so these new regulations probably won’t do anything to me, but just to be safe, I’m going to buy a decade’s worth of nicotine in the very near future. And then I’m going to write physical letter to the White House, and to my representatives in Congress (who are commies, but I’m going to write to them anyway).

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    • LafnH20 says:

      Excellent advise and info, MNcarrypermitholder!

      Other resources for info…

      https://vaping360.com/best-e-liquids/vg-vs-pg/

      https://vaping360.com/best-e-liquids/how-to-make-diy-vape-juice

      🤔 (who are commies, but I’m going to write to them anyway).

      HA!!😂

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      I just went out this afternoon and bought a solid year’s worth of vape juice. Maybe more than a year’s worth. You telling me whatever I don’t use in 6 months will be bad?

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      • LafnH20 says:

        desperatelyseekingmelania,

        What Is The Shelf Life Of Vape Juice?

        Another question we get a lot is what is the shelf life of vape juice. The shelf life of vape juice is determined by the shelf life of the ingredients. While vegetable glycerin has a shelf life of for up to six years, propylene glycol has a shelf life of two years. Flavorings have a shelf life of a year but the preservative aspect of VG and PG extend that significantly.

        PG has a shelf life of two years
        VG has a shelf life of four to six year
        The shelf life of vape juice will be determined by the shelf life of PG

        Conclusion: Vape juice has a shelf life of two years

        https://www.freemanvapejuice.com/blogs/vape-news-and-reviews/how-long-does-vape-juice-last

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      • cheryl says:

        I’ve buy mine online and when they send me a coupon code, I stock up. It does change to a darker color but I have not been able to tell the difference in flavor even though I have had it on a dark shelf for months.

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    • This is great..American ingenuity. I don’t vape or smoke (quite many years ago) but I am absolutely against what POTUS is doing. Every time he listens to his wife or his daughter he makes bad decisions and alienates his base. But, last night on this thread people were pretty upset and I was wondering if you could make your own or stock up so it is good to have you offering this experience and advice.

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  42. cathie says:

    I started smoking menthol Kool Filter Kings when I was 18. I had a two pack a day habit for almost 40 years. I tried many times to quit and used various methods from cold turkey to the patch. Nothing worked. In 2013, I was inadvertently exposed to black mold in an apartment building and got pretty sick. My doctor said I was “this close” to having COPD and told me that I had to quit smoking. He prescribed Chantix. I didn’t have an epiphany and was still smoking about 3 weeks after starting the Chantix. A friend of mine handed me a menthol vape pen and said that it might help me to kick the cigs for good. It worked. I have been cigarette free since 2013. My doctor is thrilled since my lungs are now clear, no more coughing and wheezing. Menthol vaping has saved my life so the POTUS announcement today was a shocker. I never, ever expected him to take such an action on my liberty. One of the many reasons I voted for him was because I knew he wouldn’t do things like this…until he did.

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  43. Todd W says:

    Many years ago, the FDA tried to regulate vaping as a drug delivery device and failed in court. When that didn’t work, they simply declared it a tobacco product with their deeming rule.

    The people that really want to see vaping abolished are the cancer industry, tobacco industry, and pharmaceutical industry. Vaping threatens their interests.

    Truth is, it works to get people off of cigarettes. It’s 95 percent safER that combustible tobacco. They DO have a good idea about the long-term effects and have been inundated with testimonies of former smokers which have been ignored.

    Banning flavors will not prevent deaths from inhalation of oil particulates. Normal e-liquid has no oil in it. The “-ol” on the end of the dilutants mean they are alcohol-based and water soluble.

    CASAA has a decent timeline of events:
    http://www.casaa.org/historical-timeline-of-electronic-cigarettes/

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  44. dammit_janet says:

    I vape. I switched from combustion 3 years ago. I’ve smoked for decades and found vaping is a lot easier on me than combustion. I vape the original tobacco flavor rather than the trendy flavors. I’ve learned that most of those flavored vape juices contain diacetyl which causes popcorn lung.

    Seems to me that if there is a chemical that causes traumatic respiratory harm as diacetyl and products containing this chemical are known to be trending among minors, then the FDA needs to do its job and take it off the market until it can assure its safe for consumption. The FDA has delayed requiring vape manufacturers to submit their products & ingredients for review until 2020. The American Lung Association has even sued them in court over it.

    I say kudos to the President and his team of advisors for demanding the FDA do its job.

    I can’t believe there are some people saying Trump will lost votes over this. Really? Flavored e-juice is actually someone’s red line?

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  45. Vito Romano says:

    Subject: Freedomism
    Re: 9 million American E-Cigarette / Vape users (CDC 2015)

    Most Americans have gotten so comfortable with the BOOT , they now argue over which BOOT will be the best for their throat !

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  46. Peoria Jones says:

    In Illinois, there’s been a huge marijuana push, while E-cigs, vaping, and regular cigarettes have been vilified. Go figure.

    Next January, you can smoke dope legally – not just from the gazillion “regulated” medical outlets, but from who knows where. Nothing has been done to address intoxicated driving, or addiction, or health risks, but…whatever.

    With the new taxes on cig’s, it’s probably more economical to smoke dope. Certainly to grow and sell it. It’s all about the money, after all.

    Everything is upside-freaking-down. If it’s really about “the children,” then why aren’t their parents/custodians held accountable? So sick of my gov’t playing nanny to us adults, while the children who really need attention go unsupervised by those who should be responsible for them – and instead, indoctrinated by The State.

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  47. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    The CDC says that until their investigation into what is causing the 5 deaths and hospitalizations they can’t comment. Everyday, hospitals and morgues determine what drugs were found in a person’s body. Police or hospital determine in many cases what paraphernalia/chemicals/drugs person used in order to treat him by interviewing him or friends. This is more busy-body bureaucrat nonsense from the CDC against vaping in general and JUUL in particular. Dollars to donuts, they know the chemicals or drugs these numbnuts kids are filling their empty Chinese cartridges with. Remember the Pam Spray epidemic. Stupid kids gonna do stupid. I’d rather that than they vote.

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  48. burnett044 says:

    I am against what President Trump wants to do to vaping…I am not against President Trump..
    I will voice my opinion every where I can to fight for my rights….but I will not make a fool of myself like the worker here in a vape shop..warning salty language and DTS .

    we humans are an odd lot fer sure

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  49. David P Forsyth says:

    #iVAPEiVOTE may convince President Trump to reconsider his position or at least listen to reason. The UK is opening vape shops inside hospitals after determining that vaping is 95% safer than smoking with no second-hand risks. Why the difference? Public Health England is responsible for health care costs and sincerely want to reduce them. Compare that American political influences such as Big Pharma and Big Tobacco. Note that Altria, parent of Marlboro, invested billions in Juul which has captured 70% of the US vape market (90% of teen vaping) and is the only vape manufacturer who supports a flavor ban. Why? Because it would kill the rest of their competition and give them a virtual monopoly (along with Blu which is owned by Big Tobacco). Note that Juul is illegal in Europe and the UK because the nicotine strength is more than twice their legal limit. The US has no limit on nicotine strength. Most traditional e-liquids are between 3 mg and 18 mg per ml. Juul has more than 55 mg per ml. And that has much more to do with teen vaping than flavors do. They vape for the head rush buzz, not the flavor. By the time they no longer get a buzz they have become addicted. Europe limits nicotine to 20 mg per ml and has very little problems with teen vaping. The traditional US vape industry is in agreement that the solution to teen vaping is to limit nicotine strength, not ban flavors. But that is the last thing Alria/Juul wants you to know.

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