Carter Page Discusses His CIA and FBI Role With Maria Bartiromo….

Carter Page appeared on Fox News today with Maria Bartiromo to discuss his work as an informant for the FBI in the Evgeny Buryakov case.  The case involved Buryakov in New York and two other SVR agents, Igor Sporyshev and Victor Podobnyy. [See Here]


It never made sense that U.S. Person Carter Page was an FBI witness from 2013 through to March/May 2016 and yet in October 2016, to achieve a FISA warrant, the FBI called him an agent of a foreign government.  [FISA APPLICATION]

It never made sense until we realized the FBI didn’t use Carter Page to gain a FISA warrant (that was an outcropping); the FBI used Carter Page to get the Steele Dossier into official investigative status.  What they needed was the Dossier, Page was irrelevant other than he checked all the boxes needed to fabricate the illusion of “an agent of a foreign power.”

On August 15th, 2016, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok have a meeting with Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.  At the conclusion of that meeting, Peter Strzok sends a text message to Ms. Page:

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office -that there’s no way he gets elected- but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.  It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

Here’s where Carter Page is about to come in…

Carter Page was not accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get a FISA warrant; that was a secondary -albeit necessary- outcome. Carter Page was accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get the Steele Dossier into the investigation.

The “small group” of corrupt DOJ and FBI officials; those same officials that became the “Mueller Team”; always had a plan to generate a special counsel investigation that they would carry out against the potential president-elect Trump.  This investigation was their insurance policy…. what would be ‘investigated’ would be the Fusion/Ohr/Steele dossier.

Without Carter Page, the Steele Dossier is just an assembly of political opposition research.  However, with Carter Page painted as an “agent of a foreign government” the Steele Dossier moves from opposition research into evidence that needs to be investigated.

The dossier is what the corrupt DOJ and FBI team needed.  Carter Page was a way to put that dossier into evidence that needed to be investigated.  That’s why the dossier is the primary evidence the FBI used to get the FISA Title-1 warrant.

Once they moved the dossier into official investigative status, it could then be passed off to Robert Mueller’s special counsel team for investigation.  That Mueller team was the same team who worked to exploit the original creation of the dossier.  It’s all the same people.

The DOJ (Bruce Ohr), Fusion GPS (Simpson and Nellie Ohr) and FBI (Pientka and Strzok) steered Christopher Steele to their allies in the State Dept.  This is a plausible deniability maneuver.  After the State Dept. also had the dossier, the FBI used the State Dept report of Steele’s information as the foundation for the claim that Carter Page was “an agent of a foreign power.”

All of this was done just to attach the dossier to a target.  The target just needed to fit a profile with enough Russian contacts so the dossier could stick.  That target was Carter Page.  The FBI and DOJ didn’t care about Carter Page, what they wanted was the dossier.

As soon as they got the Special Counsel appointed, the dossier became the material to start the investigation of Trump… and all the names in the dossier (Manafort, Flynn etc).

Because they always knew there was no material substance to the dossier, the goal of the investigation was to get President Trump to obstruct it/them.   All of the provocative action by the special counsel team was intended to provoke President Trump into taking action that could be defined as obstruction.

  1. Fusion GPS and Nellie Ohr gave underlying material to Chris Steele.
  2. Chris Steele created the dossier and laundered the Fusion material into the FBI through Bruce Ohr.
  3. The FBI team then used the dossier to identify a target, Carter Page.
  4. Carter Page was used to put the dossier into official investigative status, via the FISA application.
  5. As valid investigative evidence, the dossier was then passed to Robert Mueller.
  6. Robert Mueller then used the dossier investigation to target Trump people.
  7. The Trump people were targeted in such a hostile manner to bait President Trump into obstructing the investigation.
  8. The obstruction would then be used by political allies to remove President Trump.

This was the end goal of the “insurance policy”.

The insurance policy needed the Steele Dossier.

Carter Page was the means to an end; he was not the end itself.

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215 Responses to Carter Page Discusses His CIA and FBI Role With Maria Bartiromo….

  1. Hell isn’t hot enough for any of the people who tried to overthrow our elected government.

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    • MACAULAY says:

      Hell is not hot enough for the people who fail to prosecute the criminals responsible for this seditious outrage.

      And CNN just hired one of the most obvious crooks of all—Andrew McCabe—which indicates they DO NOT expect him to be indicted.


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      • Georgia says:

        If the USA DOJ does not prosecute this sedition against the Constitution the country is over….”Elites” can conspire to walk Hillary Clinton on multiple felonies and actually try to frame the President of the USA and nothing? The Lamestream Media being in on it shouldn’t matter….

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        • what the doj, fbi, and state dept. did is what government agencies do in communist countries. they work for the good of the party not the good of the people. it is the same thing the irs did earlier in the Obama administration. how do you like that fundamental transformation?

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          • rmnewt says:

            In communist countries, its not commonly known. They obviously fear the people will rebel. Here in the US, some accept and others watch as the show goes on and on. Selfish complacency perhaps. Lets hope (and demand) time reveals a better future.


      • Don’t expect McCabe to be on CNN Very much…this is a pay-off!!! McCabe has a “job”…he is an “advisor”..just like Carter Page was!!!


        • Greg1 says:

          Orrrrrrrr………………they end up giving him his own show. Figuring that it will strengthen his lawsuit if he ever gets held accountable for what he did by being prosecuted.

          They get the fireworks, drama, and clicks they want. And in their minds it would help take down President Trump.


          • Pedro Morales says:

            Funny in 3 years of pushing the russia collusion narrative, Preet Barara has never admitted that he wokred with Carter Page and knew him from the NY case. Hmmmmm

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            • MelH says:

              You would expect Preet Bharar to do anything but try hard to harm the President? That;’s his primary focus and has been since the day the President fired him. Hr badly WANTS to be the one who deals the final blow.


      • Everett Miller says:

        Sessions must be prosecuted in the 1st round of indictments, or ,
        Barr must also be on the list.

        This observer, for one, doesn’t trust AG Barr. There still have been NOT A SINGLE high level criminal taken to trial.

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        • RobInPA says:

          The DS has pictures of Barr playing his bagpipes wearing only a pink tu-tu, fishnet stockings and hooker-style high heels for an audience of misfits, reprobates and child rapist’s on Epstein Island.

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      • I am attempting to like your comment…


    • May the fleas of a thousand camels attack their intimate private body parts – – while they are sitting in prison.

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      • LafnH20 says:

        Sitting in prison…

        Next to the garbage can…
        Covered in honey!!

        fleas of a thousand camels…

        That’s like… alot!!!


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        • donna kovacevic says:

          There is a saying in Serbian “may all the snakes bite you” real snakes. May a tornado take you so that your existence never occurred. Yes some nasty curses and I wish those on all the evil ones involved in this and any evil doings. God Bless PDJT.

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      • Darrell Michael Richardson says:

        People who commit treason do not go to prison…..they go to the gallows. Seditious conspiracy carries 20 years (the plan) and treason (acting on the plan) carries the death penalty.

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      • And they wipe their A$$ with their left hand and eat with their right…No Utensils!!!!!!!


    • Jb in Jefferson says:

      I liked, but the process for liking your comment is beyond a reasonable amount of time to complete on my end

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      • I have the WordPress app because I write frequently and it’s a quick and easy thing. Thank you for liking through the difficulties!


        • MelH says:

          Having the WordPress ap is not a solution. I was happily using Word press here for 2 years when suddenly I had to figure out for uyself how to post a Comment or a Like. Even now if i BEGIN to post, the page suddenly scrolls for miles and i have to fritter around to find where I started a Reply. The REALLY troubling news was posted the other day, that Google hosts over half the Blogs on the internet, and WordPress hosts the most of what’s left. i thought of WordPress as a schlocky little operation that couldn’t get its’ act together, but it’s not little at all; it is the second most popular Blog host. Who is third, I wonder?

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    • YL Calif says:

      Carter page has completed his fellowship with the CFR. My guess is that he is part of the deep state . . . otherwise he wouldn’t be an asset of the corrupt players of the deep state or involved with CFR. How did he get on the Trump team? That’s right, via Cox of NY GOP . . . the never Trumper network.
      He claims he was doing a favor for Trump by recommending Carter Page to the Trump team. Oh, sure.

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      • CM-TX says:

        He was in on it. The tell was never actually being charged with anything. But I don’t think he was expecting his identity to be revealed.

        Whichever of the Gang of 8/Senate Intel that gave the ok to leak the report, were hoping to taint PDJT by association. They obviously felt it was worth exposing a “source.”

        Carter helping to provide the access to spy on the Campaign, doesn’t deserve much sympathy. He should’ve known he was expendable– based on the reputation of the agency he chose to work for.

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        • Bryan Alexander says:

          Page’s name was leaked only to give credence to the rumors. The plotters needed to generate publicity and prove the nefarious nature, so they leaked one of their co-conspiritor’s names to give it legs.

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      • dawg says:

        Interesting article.

        I dont know anything about Cox but it labels him an “unabashed Trump supporter”.

        “No mat­ter its mo­tives, the FBI be­came a tool of anti-Trump po­lit­i­cal ac­tors,” Cox tweeted Sunday. “This is un­ac­cept­able in a democ­racy and ought to alarm any­one who wants the FBI to be a non­par­ti­san en­forcer of the law.”

        Thats a good point.

        Also interesting it says Carter Page contacted Cox out of the blue, by email, saying he wanted to “volunteer” for the Trump campaign.

        Sounds to me like Cox simply thought Page was who he said he was, and not a FBI spy.

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    • Garrison Hall says:

      All the evidence points to the Deep State being more loyal to itself than it is to our constitution, our president, congress, the rule of law, or to the American people. The Deep State believes that it—and not us—is the nation The Deep State will protect it’s own. Nothing is going to happen.

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    • NYMinuteman says:

      This is a little bit tortured and lends a sophistication to what was a crude effort that it does not deserve. Obstruction was just a desperation heave – a Hail Mary when all else failed. Trump has for so long been reviled by elites that they assumed that Mueller would find plenty of dirt on Trump to start impeachment hearings on matters financial or Russia-related. When nothing boiled up, Trump’s firing of Comey became suddenly obstructive, no matter that he could fire 100 FBI directors in a row and it would not stop an investigation, but rather would accelerate it. When that was debunked, suddenly thoughts and angry orders became obstructive – again, no matter that firing 1000 DAG’s would not stop an investigation. There was no intent to use obstruction to remove Trump – the Keystone Kops merely fell back on it when all else failed. I mean, small-time machine pol and big-time trencherman Jerry Nadler as your standard bearer doesn’t exactly lend your operation a patina of legitimacy.

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  2. BocephusRex says:

    2words: Rat Bastards

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  3. Too much in the public domain now to sweep under the rug and survive as a Constitutional (vs. Banana) Republic.

    Just too much.

    We’re watching. . . . . Closely.

    Very closely.

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  4. Aintree says:

    “Here’s where Carter Page is about to come in…” The Coup leaders just treated him like a dispensable pawn after his service to his country.

    Carter seemed to be more relaxed and articulate in this interview than ever before. He had been subjected to a very tense and troubling time and hopefully he’s more relaxed and confident now that A/G Barr is head of the DOJ.

    The discussion about the loss of substantial stock earnings was cut off before any details could be stated but his career and other opportunities were obviously badly damaged by the actions of the corrupted. The plotters could have totally ruined his life like they have others just for political reasons. I hope Carter fully recovers from it all but the past few lost years can’t be replaced.

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    • BitterC says:

      He will never recover his reputation. The Unhinged Left believes he is a traitor and was working for the Russians. I doubt many will ever come to accept they were lied to.

      I been hoping all day Sundance would do a thread on this interview today.

      I think it’s YUGE what he said about the DOJ trying to suborn perjury out of him on the Russian spy ring. He mentions Holder, Preet & Carlin, tho Holder was gone by the time the case went to court. Doubt there is anything that Barr can do about this now & that’s too bad because I expect Holder to run for President some day & Preet will continue to be elected by the goof balls in Cali as their AG as long as he wants that job.

      Also think he was trying to say that he got death threats over the Russian spy case since he was so “minimally masked”.

      Just read the TGP article on Sater. He too, should be worried about his life for some of the people he helped put away.

      It’s amazing how many confidential human sources they ended up burning in their efforts to get the President.

      I have felt that both Page and Flynn have not been fully forthcoming about their work for the govt that screwed them. Assume they have been able to differentiate between Comey, McCabe, et al and our govt/country. I think Flynn was working for the govt when he went to that RT dinner & even perhaps the work with Turkey. He too will always be thought of as a traitor by a significant part of this country.


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    • tucker7518 says:

      Carter Page went to the Naval Academy, and served his country for 10 years.

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    • YL Calif says:

      Are you aware that Carter Page is connected to the Council of Foreign Relations?
      Are you aware that Ed Cox (NY-GOP) a heavy-weight NEVER TRUMPER connected (recommended) Carter Page to the Trump Team? That was right after Carter Page finished his stint as an undercover FBI asset.

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    • tucker7518 says:

      Carter Page was a “walking wiretap”.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Bryan Alexander says:

      Carter Page was in on this from the beginning. He is CIA. He was sent to Russia to gather intel for the US when he was “working” for Merril Lynch.

      Liked by 3 people

  5. Sentient says:

    It’s not particularly important whether Page knew that he was the means to get the dossier out, but it is interesting. I think he knew his role and his acting like a weirdo doofus was a put-on. He was a mole.

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    • Hmmm... says:

      A mole who kept telling anyone who would listen exactly what was happening? That makes no sense. He described the entire operation correctly in his letter to Congress before testimony in March 2017. No one took him seriously. He described the entire operation correctly in an email in Oct 2016 sent to a European election monitoring group including Hillary hiring Steele to create opposition research that a corrupt FBI was using to investigate him. Why would a mole keep exposing the deep dark secrets of the operation? If anything he was bait not a mole.

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      • BitterC says:

        Sorry I never read those Page writings. I tried to read his letter to Comey, but iirc, he writes like he speaks.

        That is very interesting if he knew Hillary pd for the dossier in Oct 2016. We didn’t learn this until late 2017 if I remember correctly. This would seem to mean it was common knowledge in journalist circles at the time. Wish I could remember what Comey said about when he knew she paid for it.

        The way I remember things, it was the dossier that inspired Crossfire Hurricane until it became public herself paid for it, that’s when they changed the story to Papa D and Mifsud/Downer.

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      • Page was/is a CIA mole. Have you not caught onto the pattern? When any of these people are about to be exposed, they jump in front of the camera with endless airtime spinning a Deep State approved story. Happens. Every. Single. Time.

        Quite often it is through the New York Times or Washington Post instead of through real time interviews (easier to craft a careful narrative without getting caught…most are not capable of spinning a yarn on camera without a tremendous amount of tells). The Deep State must think that Carter Page is good enough at playing the role of a dufus to actually allow him in front of the cameras. Page is not the dufus he appears to be.

        This is the same pattern that makes me think that Patrick Byrne is an operative that was about to get burned, possibly with one of the upcoming reports. Thus, he is everywhere in television getting out in front of the story before the actual story gets leaked. Same pattern. Every. Single. Time.

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    • Marc says:

      Exactly. Just watch the video with him and Maria B. She says he’s worked with the government for years and just look at his very visceral reaction at 1:21 to her words.


  6. jambo says:

    That’s why Nadler is scrambling

    “House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler on Thursday asked four House panels investigating President Donald Trump to share documents and other information to aid his committee’s investigation into whether to file articles of impeachment against the president.”

    The ‘obstruction’ impeachment plan failed because there was no obstruction (well played Mr. President) but the runaway train continues.

    Now it’s who has the closest thing to obstruction, the best thing we can get the media to run with.

    Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and manufactured Dem/media impeachments.

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  7. mr.piddles says:

    Saw this interview this morning. I thought it was very interesting that Page really called out Bahara and Holder. He said the indictment against the Russians was full of holes, and told the DOJ “I’m not going to lie and provide false testimony”. Funny. Seems to be a thing with the DOJ. On the bright side: he avoided solitary confinement. So that’s a plus.

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  8. WSB says:

    I saw this in the morning and was bowled over. This interview is packed with items to question.

    Page said, after being in Naval intelligence, he started his civilian informant career in 1998…I believe Felix Sater did as well and will post a link for a document dump about him from Friday.

    Page worked with Chris Stevens who was ‘on the Iran desk’ years ago…hmmm.

    The Russian group surveillance Page was informing about seems to have been the brainchild of Holder, Bharara, and Carlin…and he would “not lie about the case in court” because the charges were so flagrantly made up …so is there more history here than we know currently?

    Need more yellow stickies.

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    • WSB says:

      Is this all connected by the same small group…just different tentacles? Why was Sater working with Cohen, of all people?

      “Sater, an American citizen born in Russia, formally began cooperating with the U.S. government on Dec. 10, 1998, as part of an agreement that required him to plead guilty to racketeering and money laundering charges related to a $40 million stock scheme.”

      What was the stock scheme and who turned him?

      “Over the course of the next decade, Sater obtained intelligence regarding mafia activities in New York, Russian organized crime schemes in Cyprus, and al-Qaeda activities in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Sater was credited with obtaining Osama bin Laden’s satellite phone numbers and with providing information about an assassination attempt against President George W. Bush.”


      “Beginning in October 2015, Sater and Cohen worked together in hopes of building a Trump Tower in Moscow. The special counsel’s probe focused on the project as part of an investigation into the Trump campaign’s links to the Russian government, interviewing Sater multiple times in 2017 and 2018.”

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      • stephen fenlon says:

        The Bank of Cyprus was, allegedly, frequently used to launder money by Russian Oligarchs. Went belly up when Greece crashed in 2013. The IMF forced it to make customers “bail in” the bank – losing approx 40-60% of their deposits.

        IDK if this was a deliberate move to deliberately antagonise the Russians or not, but there was a suspicion at the time.

        Cyprus would also possibly link him to G. Papadopolous, as Cyprus and Israel had/have some joint commercial involvement in the Aphrodite Gas Field which lies between them both.

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      • BitterC says:

        Sater is a childhood friend of Cohen.

        More on Sater

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      • Truthfilter says:

        I read a lot of material on Sater a few months ago. As an informant for years, he helped people like Lynch and Weismann rise to the top of their careers via the SDNY.

        It IS very odd that he ended up working with Cohen in Trump Tower, NY around 2007-2009(?). Back then, his criminal records were sealed and if IIRC, he operated under a slightly different name. (These records -or most of them-were unsealed in July-

        Funny how Sater just magically worked himself into citizen Trump’s circle. It makes me wonder just how long the Deep State has been monitoring DJT. No doubt in my mind Sater was another plant.

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        • WSB says:

          Yes, Tf…at some point, the 1000 puzzle pieces just start to fill themselves in.

          We may be at a precipice. All too connected.

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            “Carter Page was accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get the Steele Dossier into the investigation.”

            And now……try though they might……..they can NOT get the Dossier OUT OF IT.

            Barr’s really got his work cut out for him if he’s going to find a way to “man-splain” this all away.

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        • YL Calif says:

          The FISA warrants were window dressing . . . make the public believe spying on Trump was done through legal channels. No mention of “The Hammer” super computer data where Obama + Brennan + Clapper were illegally spying on “Anyone of Interest”, including judges, Trump, Congress, anyone they wanted.

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          • iwasthere says:

            ^10,000^ That’s my theory too. All the FISA stuff is now the “limited hangout” and the IG report will discuss. The real spy game Obama was pulling, i.e., as disclosed in the 99 page FISA order, was “anyone of interest” – and it would be so damaging to the Patriot Act renewal prospects, there is a good chance we will never get the whole truth. We’ll get the limited hangout story of the FISA warrant abuse.

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        • James A Groome says:

          I’m pretty certain that Trump hires people whom he perceives to be “trouble makers” or whom have a set of contacts which could serve as alternative sources intel, (he keeps detractors around so he doesn’t get tunnel vision listening to yes men) his erectors of road blocks or with whom he sees his enemies in order to keep a watchful eye on them…

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        • WSB says:

          PS, Both Sater and Page were ‘hired’ in 1998…Bill Clinton was in office.


    • signfollies says:

      The list of innocent and honorable Americans “used” and crushed by the Deep State continues to grow and may soon equal the infamous Clinton body count: Carter Page, Gen. Flynn, Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, Seth Rich, Justice Kavanaugh, and now we learn Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was a friend of Carter Page. The lives of ordinary Americans are of no consequence to these monsters.

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  9. mr.piddles says:

    And do we know from the unredacted portions of the Page FISA Warrant that the DOJ used Buryakov, Sporyshev, Podobnyy as “additional evidence” of Page’s “relationship with Russians”? Something tells me: don’t be surprised. I’m gonna have to dig that up…

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    • BitterC says:

      Not sure if the FISA warrant did, but the media sure did. They wrote some terribly inaccurate stories about Page using that operation

      I remember lefties tweeting about “traitor” Page giving Russians inside info on the oil business


      • farrier105 says:

        The left is very schizoid about Russia and what some Americans can do to help Russia. During the Cold War, the early 70s, our State Department, Commerce Department, and Congress permitted the construction of the Kama River Truck Foundry in Russia. The factory was built entirely of US technology, was built by US firms, designed by US engineers, and US technicians trained the Russians in running the factory. The product of the Kama River plant was the standard Russian military truck, the ZIL series. Today the ZIL trucks are called “Kama Z,” since all are built in the Kama River foundry. Some of those trucks saw duty on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

        Mention this kind of thing to a leftist, and they shrug it off. “Business does that,” one told me on Twitter. Then, it was back to the horror of “Trump-Russia.” Maybe Trump tried to build a hotel in Moscow. We just HAVE to punish him for THAT.

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  10. OlderAndWiser says:

    Also seems like this was retribution for Carter Page since he didn’t support the corrupt allegations in court. Two for the price of one: get back at Carter Page and get the Steele misinformation “legitimized.”

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    • meow4me2 says:

      OandW, that’s exactly what I was thinking. Payback for not supporting their corrupt prosecution earlier. Page won’t play ball? Then make him a target.

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      • WSB says:

        That is Carter Page’s story. I do not quite buy all of this.

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        • MaineCoon says:

          He’s always hiding something, talking but saying nothing or saying something that has nothing to do with the question asked. The mystery man who proclaims his innocence in all this yet how can one carte blanche believe in his innocence when trying to get to the bottom of his storyline is like piercing the corporate veil.

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          • WSB says:

            Yes. Carter Page is the perfect spook. Says nothing.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              I think several people were waiting to see if the “coup” succeeded before saying too much.
              a recurring theme…

              You might want to soft pedal that “interrogation”…….she could be President.
              I wanted to wait until we had a real AG before coming forward…..

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            • “a perfect spook”

              …a-a-and, we’re back to the starting line. Now all anybody has to do is say “CIA” and we can all pass GO and collect $200 (note, Sundance put “CIA” in the very title of the post above; it’s been crickets ever since).

              Page is certainly wide-eyed (doesn’t anybody else see that?), but he’s not innocent, with respect to the attempted coup d’etat.

              I’ll let Ashton Gray lay it out:


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              • WSB says:

                “The criminal cult known as the CIA is just like a serial killer: It is incapable of changing its modus operandi (MO). It has used the civil courts repeatedly as a perfect partner in hiding its crimes, usually in sealed “settlements.” Just one example was the entirely fraudulent but of course highly publicized “fight” in civil court in the 1990s between the CIA scumbag (but I repeat myself) G. Gordon Liddy and the other CIA scumbag John Dean, the entire and sole purpose of which was never otherwise than to plant in the public a new ridiculous “reason” for the alleged Watergate “first break-in”—which never happened at all!”


                I also am interested in the ‘loads’ od money Carter Page was talking about…


    • lfhbrave says:

      In that case, All of the defendants were convicted. I don’t quite get what Cater Page was saying about “corrupt allegations”.


  11. Hmmm... says:

    It was a Carter Page operation not a Carter Page investigation. They knew from the beginning there was nothing to investigate.

    Very similar pattern to Felix Sater. Worked as a government informant (as was just confirmed) but was used as a part of the narrative connecting President Trump to Russians. The tactic of using “sources and methods” to ensure that exculpatory information can’t make it to the press.

    PS I urge extreme caution with Patrick Byrne. The more I look the more giant red flags keep popping up around him and his associates. Never trust a never-Trumper seems like it could apply in this case as well.

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  12. john70 says:

    I’ve said it and I will say it again: Carter Page was an FBI informant infiltrated in the Trump campaign and playing the role of a Russian agent in order for them to have justification to do surveillance on Trump. He is not the innocent lamb that appears on TV. After the Byrne interviews, role playing appears to the FBI MO.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      20 year informant for the FBI decides not to be an informant anymore, and joins the Trump campaign. So, what’s to be suspicious of. My question is – how many times has Carter Page done something similar to this?

      You know, Carter Page must be a great liar in order to get by lying to some of the people he has been dealing with over the last 20 years. But, I ‘m not concerned!

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      • BitterC says:

        I can’t decide what to think about Page, but on the other hand, he joined Team Trump in March 2016 just as the Russian spy ring trial was going on. If he had just had a fight with the DOJ over giving false testimony, he could have joined the campaign out of anger. Kinda hard to imagine he accepted another assignment if there was bad blood

        Who knows?

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        • islandpalmtrees says:

          I had thought as you did, that Carter Page may not be involved until I realized this . DOJ-NSD again. Who else do we know, with a connection to the DOJ-NSD. Nellie Ohr and Carter Page have something in common, John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security.

          I do not believe in coincidence. Does this mean that Carter Page, Nellie Ohr were all part of a counterintelligence operation, unknown.


        • dawg says:

          Ah hah!

          Page acted all self-righteous saying I would not commit perjury….(then under his breath) but I will try to infiltrate the Trump campaign so you can wiretap me.

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    • botchedcasuality says:

      Agreed, and Pappa D was a wanna be spook.

      Liked by 1 person

    • The FBI was working for the CIA in all of this; or more correctly, it was working for the CIA at the behest of Obama/Soetoro (a.k.a. Valerie Jarrett and the Muslim Brotherhood/Black Muslims). The CIA provided the fake intelligence, the political cover; the FBI laundered the intelligence, and was the pipeline and universal node for everybody else in on the coup.

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  13. Patience says:

    For starters:
    Everyone, everyone…. should be billed and required to reimburse the USA for any and ALL costs pertaining to the horrible scam of a coup. Any and ALL legal, and ALL related costs to any and ALL individual affected should also be repaid by those involved.

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  14. JoeMeek says:

    Could the FBI, DOJ and CIA be any more corrupt and criminal than they are? Maybe a warren (1 / 1,024) more, but that’s it.

    Liked by 2 people

  15. Blind no Longer says:

    I still don’t know what I think of Carter Page. I have gone back and forth that he was used and then back to he was a plant into the Trump campaign. The fact he worked for intelligence and with the State Dept, especially with Christopher Stevens, just makes me wonder what are the odds he would want to work with the Trump campaign.

    That being said, the FBI knew he was no foreign agent…because he was agent of the US government. May all these corrupt bastards rot in jail!!!

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    • Doppler says:

      Good point BnL. It’s possible Carter Page thought he was acting in good faith for the “government,” and agreed to help, joined the Trump campaign, but only later realized, “hey, this isn’t legitimate,” refused to perjury himself, maybe didn’t even know they were getting a FISA warrant on him, became another loose end the gang who couldn’t shoot straight left dangling as they, and we, slowly started to realize their target Trump and his team were not the hunted, but the hunter.


    • Linda K. says:

      If Carter Page can bring a case against the government for defamation, and if he can find a lawyer willing to take his case, he should bring it. Sometimes, lawyers will not want to touch a hot potato like this because of the anti Trump bias and politics but imagine the discovery and revelation of evidence.
      Otherwise, I would agree he seemed less goofy than before, today and was starting to elaborate on money lost by his involvement in this fiasco. Carter was part of Trump’s campaign and has been (in the past) an FBI asset? Does that make sense?


    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      It’s possible Carter Page thought he was acting in good faith for the “government,” and agreed to help, joined the Trump campaign, but only later realized, “hey, this isn’t legitimate,

      I could swear I heard a story very similar to this recently……

      I once also saw this old black and white movie where a guy kept saying:
      ‘I’m just a patsy”
      Unfortunately, he died while being transferred from one jail to another jail so we never got to find out what the hell he was talking about.


  16. CountryDoc says:

    Do we not have enough to quarrantine the lot of them so they can’t continue to cover up and can’t continue to destroy our government?

    More sunlight needed, more visibility. But there are not enough messengers, and not enough Americans listening to care.

    There is certainly enough to be outraged about, but our children, young adults, working class, and elderly have all been anesthetized so they do not feel the pain or the threat to everything beloved and secure that this country offers.

    This is a greater threat, and IN our homeland than WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea. The corruption is a fatal infection of the apparatus of security of our nation.

    I pray that our justice systems and executive branch are able to be rebuilt by exposing the corruption, and purging all duplicity from the ranks.

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    • meow4me2 says:

      I worry the same as you. On vacation, I got to hear from a lot of family members who only listen to the MSM. They actually trust ABC, CBS and NBC. Because they report “Orange man bad”, they believe it. Lots of Trump hatred out there, courtesy of the MSM. Very hard to get through to these people.

      My mother is a case in point. I don’t know if she truly doesn’t know about stuff like the moment of birth and post birth abortion laws passed in NY state, or if she’s old enough she hears it and she forgets. She was genuinely shocked when I brought it up though. Can’t tell if it’s not mentioned in the news she watches or if it’s a memory thing.

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      • Doppler says:

        The narrative engineers scrub every inconsistent item out of the “news.” Like climate alarmist superstar “hockeystick chart” Michael Mann losing his libel case against climate scientist Ted Bell in British Columbia for refusing to turn over his “secret” regression analysis as ordered by the court in discovery, now having to reimburse Ball’s major legal expenses and effectively concede that Ball’s statement that Mann belonged not at Penn State, but in the state pen for expending state funds on a fraud was true and therefore a complete defense. Did not see that mentioned in any news today other than Gatewat Pundit and a few others.

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      • GP says:

        Hi Meow-I agree. I recently talked to a 73-year old white male at my gym.
        This 2020 election may not be a landslide for Trump. I live in a NC Trump county, but I am surrounded by counties that voted for Hillary.


  17. Fools Gold says:

    Well I guess we’ll see the next play from IG this week? But the real question and answers are in Barr’s hands so to speak…


  18. nimrodman says:

    I think PresTrump and/or his advisers / attorneys had this bait-Trump-hard-til-he-obstructs operation sniffed out pretty well.

    Given PresTrump’s natural instinct to hit back quick and hit back hard, it had to have taken supreme self-control from him not to.

    I must think that that was only possible for him because he and advisers had many, many round-table discussions about the trap.

    A small point, but one that occurred to me

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    • Dutchman says:

      IMHO, you make a very common mistake, that ALL DJT’s detractors, and even many of his supporters make.

      His “natural instinct to hit back quick and hard” is an illusion, one he may have fostered, or may have formed independently.

      In any case, if you want to understand DJT, you have to look at the,FRED Trump story, that he told to a very young and impressionable Donald.

      Its about when Fred was being robbed at gunpoint. The point of the story, which I believe young Donald fully inculcated into his being, is that you
      It will get you KILLED, whether in Business, Politics, Courts or life.

      Yrs, DJT counterpunches. The idea of the counterpunch is that a boxer can not throw a punch, without leaving themselves vulnerable; they HAVE to drop their guard. So, you LET them punch first, THEN exploit the fact their guard is down, and their vulnerability.

      But, DJT is not literally in the ring. He can wait, a day, a week or a month to throw his counterpunch. He DOES NOT lash out in anger, instinct or from EMOTION.

      This whole scheme of theres depended on him reacting from emotion. THAT was the fatal flaw in their plan.

      “KNOW your enemy”. For ‘intelligence’operatives, these guys didn’t bother to REALLY research their ‘target’, or else they would have KNOWN this wouldn’t work.

      THAT, was their epic fail. And still, a great many, supporters and detractors don’t know the Fred Trump story, or appreciate the profound effect it had on Donalds formation.

      Tee hee,…

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      • Fools Gold says:

        I know his MIT uncle was brilliant and he was Trumps favorite uncle who was a very wise man…I think he played a very important role in the Donald’s success…

        Liked by 1 person

        • Dutchman says:

          Yeah, but Fred was ALSO a very smart guy. Contracting is a brutal business; by its nature, its rob peter to pay paul.

          You contract to build a building, you don’t get the $ ‘up front’; you get a first payment, which you HOPE will pay for the materials and labor, to meet the contract reqirements to get the SECOND payment, and so on.
          ANY delays, due to bad weather, permit issues, bad or delayed delivery of materials, labor strike, (things mostly beyond the contractors control) and you run out of $, BEFORE reaching the milestone needed, to get the next payment.
          Its why “contractors” reputations are only slightly above used car salesman.
          Fred Trump did very well in that business,…a very smart man.

          So yes, young Donald had good influences, good male role models,…and he drank in all that they offered.

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        • Linda K. says:

          Donald Trump is not perfect, but he is clean. Most strong males that I have known, have their own “man code”. Apparently, Donald Trump is not dishonest in business or politics.He is totally open and transparent in his dealings with the american people. What more can you expect?


      • Sugarhillhardrock says:

        Well explained, Dutch.


      • That is why I like your explanations Dutch…When PDJT hits these b@stards, it is going to be a knock-out punch…and is going to bring down the WHOLE SHOOTIN’ MATCH INCLUDING THE FED!!!

        PDJT has to get everything lined up and to that end…we must wait!!! But when PDJT unleashes that counter-punch, A WHOLE lot of Swamp Things are gone…

        The reason for the FED remarks: When PDJT says something about an entity, the remark FREEZES it at that time…HE is not warning the FED, he is just pointing out what they are doing is a fool’s errand.

        On that note…I don’t know if anyone fully realizes this but:


        The holdings have sped up under PDJT watch…NOW: Why do we need the FED?

        The stars are about to align…Take down the cabal and their access to money supply and get rid of the FED!!!


        • Dutchman says:

          If I’m reading Sundance correctly, on maganomics, while we are ‘in the space between wall street and main street economies’, the FED really won’t have much influence on the economy. And that influence will get less and less.
          Eventually, as main street economy becomes the main driver, with wall street in a secondary role, the Feds influence will return.
          In 2 short years, DJT as POTUS, has virtually eliminated the legacy of his 4 predesesors, Obama, Bush jr.,Clinton, Bush sr.
          One way to destroy your oppoment, is to make them irrelevant, and to permanently remove them from the halls of power.
          I wonder, as we have NEVER had free and fair reciprocal trade, with -0- tariffs, subsidies, etc.
          How much influence will central banks have, in such an environment? Will they even be necesary? Not just Fed, but ALL Central banks?
          “IMAGINE theres no Fed,. Its easy if you try,…no central banks over us, no tariffs or subsidies either,…
          No more wars at all,…
          Countries competing economically instead,…
          No conmunists or dictators,….
          Just free markets economies instead,…
          Modeled after J. Lennons “Imagine”, i’m not very good at that sorta thing, but you get the idea.
          The ultimate punishment for some of these people/entities, who crave POWER and Influence, and a LEGACY, may be consigning them to no legacy, distancing them and their offspring from the levers of power, forever.

          Look at the Bushes and Clintons, can you imagine one of either EVER getting near the WH, again?

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    • donna kovacevic says:

      It is strange the americans are the only ones that believe orange man bad, the rest of us normal folks around the globe with brain cells can’t figure out what is wrong with these crazy americans. No disrespect meant here. Believe me we still don’t get it, but we do get the government agencies are are corrupt there, why the hell is nothing being done. No one listens to MSM anymore.

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    • WSB says:

      Nim, Donald Trump,p has sat like a fat cat for years before revealing any of his moves, so I have had great faith that he again is the counter puncher…always waiting for the opponent to strike first.


  19. Burnt Toast says:

    The whole operation is like a bootstrap – ponzi scheme where the original small group keep reinvesting and building on the same frame up (the circular feedback loop graphic Sundance posts) with an occasional newbie (such as Nadler) opportunistically joining the conspiracy.

    Never passed the BS test from day one with Hillary (with her history) flinging poo about Trump being a Russian stooge (full blown projection – transference). Like a little kid with chocolate smears on face face volunteering that a sibling stole cookies before mom even asks. It has always been that transparent.

    At this point I think it more likely for full JFK files to drop showing that it was known to be a Deep State hit from day one (hypothetically) than any of the small group and their coconspirators to get get so much as a petty charge for misappropriation.

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  20. annieoakley says:

    I still cannot believe how they were able to destroy Paul Manafort and Lt. General Flynn. Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi are still in limbo I think. The absolute power this bunch of criminals have is truly frightening. It is a miracle the President is still in charge.

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    • Bill says:

      Manafort was/is a major tax fraud. Obama was pissed at Flynn. Stone collateral damage to help mueller team build indictment numbers….


  21. fuzzball010 says:

    Follow it all the way to the top; Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    Liked by 2 people

  22. J Gottfred says:

    When exactly is enough enough and it recognized that our government illegally spied on Trump’s (as well as maybe other republican) campaign(s)? It cannot be the democrat’s recognition of their illegal participation –That will never happen. Is it an indictment? Maybe a leak at the NY Times as to that occurring? I am so tired of this going on and on, more coming out and being disclosed, with no recognition of a crime actually happening…

    Liked by 1 person

    • GP says:

      @J-I tired of ‘Waiting on Godot’ about a 1 year ago No one is going to jail and nothing will be done by We the People (and the Swamp knows this) except for lip service and cold anger. Then the DOJ will announce reforms/training, so you know, it never happens again, costing millions of tax payer dollars. That’s how/why the Swamp operates.with impunity.

      I should think McCabe being hired by CNN as a commentator would have been the proverbial “writing on the wall” for most people.

      I am not the least bit surprised. I was a “civil servant” in the belly (DC) of the Swamp for 40 years. The handling of this is known as a “soft-landing” and nobody does it better (Carly Simon/The Spy Who Loved Me” anyone?) than the Swamp. There are legions of “consultants” on K street who get paid big bucks to pilot the soft-landing. The flight pattern has been established (and proven) for years. Much worse things have happened, really, but the beat goes on.


  23. Trog Luddite says:

    A thought occurred to me – and I’ll admit that it may just be wish-casting – that the perfect time to drop one or more truth-bombs is right before the next scheduled Democratic 3 ring circus (oops, make that debate). Suck all the air out of the news cycle for the debate and force them to start talking about whether or not they support spying on Americans to gain political opposition research information or to gain political advantage.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Republicanvet91 says:

      I disagree. Wait until they have chosen their patsy. That way their patsy is forced to discuss it.

      Unless it’s Biden. He won’t recall the subject.

      Liked by 3 people

      • tucker7518 says:

        Biden will ask, “What Russian investigation”?


      • Doppler says:

        Timing prosecutorial actions for political purposes is a no no. If Barr waits any longer, he’ll be accused of abusing prosecutorial power by playing politics. Sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander when blind justice is concerned. He needs to get Durham and Horowitz off their asses.

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        • Fools Gold says:



          • donna kovacevic says:

            Pardon me, but there is something off with Barr. I did not care for him the day I first laid eyes on him I felt something weird with this guy. He talked a good talk about “spying” but his mannerism says something else to me. Sorry can not describe, explain and pray I am wrong. God Bless PDJT and his family.


            • His “mannerism” is called “Good Ol’ Boy”. I’m 71, I know it well, even as a dispassionate scientist fundamentally uninterested in his kind. His countenance is soft, a “dough” face, indicating a love of the “good” (well-connected) life, and a habitual forgiveness of human failings, especially on the part of fellow political animals in positions of high authority and power. Sundance posted what should be an infamous picture of him laughing along with Rosenstein and Sessions, which gives the whole “show” away; there was also that item in the news, with pictures of him playing the bagpipes and having a gay old time (rather that working on “finding the truth” or indicting anybody for anything). He is not serious, that is the bottom line as for as his mannerism is concerned.


            • Chip Doctor says:

              Donna, I hold out hope that Barr will come through for the American people. One thing that is troubling is the letter that he wrote “out of the blue” several months before PT nominated him. This smacks of the same slimy preplanned “plausible deniability/justification” crap we have see from these corrupt people throughout this whole thing. These people cover their tracks six months in advance. Just seems odd that he would wake up one morning and say “I think I will write a major well thought out letter on my views of what is going on”.


              • If Barr was totally corrupt, the Weissmann Investigation (Obstruction Trap) would still be ongoing. It is possible that he was brought on to negotiate a cease fire. If a deal was made between team Trump and the Deep State, we may never get to the truth.

                So in my opinion, the worst case is that Barr was an arbitrator, and in the best case scenario, he is actually working to bring justice. I am leaning towards that a deal was made with the Deep State, but am still hoping and praying that some justice will be coming.


  24. Mongo Mere Pawn says:

    When you read the non-redacted portions of the original and renewed FISA applications, three things are clear. First, all four applications categorically swear, yes, swear, that Carter Page is an agent of the Russian Federation. No qualifications. No dissembling about possibilities. Categorically. A statement of fact under oath.
    Second, to give credibility to this categorical statement, the application references the fact that the SVR recruited Page as an agent. There is no mention that this was an unsuccessful attempt, or that the consequences of this attempt were that Page became an undercover employee of the FBI and facilitated critical electronic eavesdropping in the New York offices of the SVR that led to the expulsion of two SVR “diplomats” and the successful prosecution of Buryakov.
    Third, and finally, even though a thorough Roto Rooter of Page’s emails, phone calls, etc. would have disclosed his undercover employee status, none of the three renewals were amended to reflect his actual counterespianage status.
    You do not run a CI sting using electronic eavesdropping inside the New York consulate of the Russian Federation without the top brass signing off on it. In the Buryakov file there will be signatures showing the Mueller, Strock, Carlin, etc. Knew exactly who Page was and knew they were lying to the FISA court when they signed off on the applications.

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    • Blind no Longer says:

      Excellent post Mongo!! They knew exactly who Page was and that he worked for them!


    • ann says:

      Well said. Mongo.
      Orderly dissection even I (unschooled in LawyerWorld) can follow.

      Do we ever get to the part where the DoJ command is punished for intentionally blocking the constitutional requirement for transfer of power?

      👉🏼Esp using poisonous fruit from the toxic tree?
      That has troubled me from the beginning! .

      Does the DoJ have a waiver on using contaminated evidence to set people up?

      As we know they knew & still know, plus, they know we know,
      Manafort is still incarcerated,
      malicious legalistic prosecution and ruination by law of General Flynn, Dr. Corsi continues legal confidentiality (?) is nullified,
      and lying to the court fails to halt the intimidation & persecution campaign. .

      why are tainted cases still pursued?
      And why hasn’t the DoJ moved to overturn convictions?

      Is the Justice Dept proclaiming itself to be the ULTIMATE authority?

      This needs clarification, so we know what we face and can decide what to do about it. .

      Give a time limit or else!


  25. Nancy says:

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive! Now they all need their “just rewards!”


  26. islandpalmtrees says:

    DOJ-NSD again. Who else do we know, with a connection to the DOJ-NSD. Nellie Ohr. and Carter Page have something in common, they worked for John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security

    Sundance writes:
    “Carter Page was an FBI Under-Cover Employee in 2013, and remained the primary FBI witness through May of 2016 throughout the case.

    If Carter Page was working as a UCE (FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE- throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?

    Conclusion: He wasn’t. The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division, knew he wasn’t. The DOJ-NSD and FBI flat-out LIED.”

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  27. Raptors2020 says:

    Think Bigger:

    Carter Page is but one in a long line of Stooges, used in this epic hoax, because they had a Russian connection, of varying intensity.

    Halper seated Svetlana Lokhova next to General Flynn at a dinner in 2014, then Halper started the rumor they were having an affair. Lokhova was Halper’s unwitting Stooge because of her Russian surname. Lokhova is now suing Halper. His defence? He was a government worker, just following orders.

    Maria Butina thought she was sent here from Russia to spy on the NRA. Really? What a dopey assignment. Instead, the FBI asset Patrick Byrne was told to introduce her to Republicans Trump, Rubio and Cruz. Was someone inside the Russian Government supplying Stooges?

    Veselnitskaya thought she was here to lobby against the Magnitsky Act. Instead, they sent her to meet the Trump family, and they lied to get her in. Like any good Stooge, she screwed it up, and was tossed out quickly.

    PapaD just had to pass on Mifsud’s rumor about Hillary’s e-mails being in Russian hands. Stooges can’t even repeat gossip!

    Manafort had done business with many Russians and Ukrainians, and Ukrainian surnames sound Russian: certainly they do to Rachel Maddow.

    My wild guess: the $millions that passed from Russia to the Clinton Foundation during Uranium One couldn’t be hidden or explained, so how about they threw up a thick Russian-scented smokescreen around the Republicans? That would explain the Russian cooperation.

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  28. jus wundrin says:

    Face it, our two tiered just-us system will never go away.


  29. LafnH20 says:

    I have some extra “Highlighters”, WSB, if that’ll do in a pinch!

    Extra… at the moment, anyway!

    I appreciate all the research, you, and so many here at CTH take on. The different voices “Singing from these branches” is a never-ending source of information.
    Have read (3 times) the first 3 chapters, of “SPYFALL”. A RARE book recommendation from Sundance.
    And, Thanks to Sundance, much I am already familiar with. Yet, trying to wrap ones head around the actions and motivations of these Bastages, and then forge ahead to yet more troubling revelations (when ones head doesn’t naturally “Go There” in the 1st place) is … well… thus the “Re-Visit”.

    Q) How do you eat an Elephant?
    A) One bite at a time!!
    Disclaimer: Lotsa “chewin” involved.

    I totally get your sticky reference.

    Wouldn’t happen to know where one might find a highlighter with a 4″ tip…
    Would ya?

    Hope all is well!


    • LafnH20 says:

      Sposed to be ☝@ 11:08.

      Oh, well…

      Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?
      – Chuck Noland



  30. Troublemaker10 says:

    Here’s the transcript for the Carter Page interview:

    Seems to be there is a pattern developing of the FBI/DOJ pressuring assests or cooperating witnesses to lie for them .


  31. swamph8er says:

    He gave the FBI information on the Russians in 2013 as an informant. He doesn’t mention the fact that in 2014, the FBI got a FISA on him (their own informant) to “2 hop” spy on the Russians. Very similar to 2016.

    Page is CIA and this is his job…get within “2 hops” of a target and the FISA does the rest.

    How many times has the FBI twisted the law by getting FISAs on their own agents. How many other times has Page done it?

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  32. Deplore Able says:

    It would be interesting to list all of the provocative actions of the Special Counsel that were designed to entice President Trump to lose his cool and take actions that could be considered obstruction of the investigation. The coup believe President Trump was impetuous; that he could be provoked to take imprudent measures. They tried their best to trigger a reaction that could be used to support a claim of obstruction.

    This is not intended to be a full list.
    1. Seizing all emails of the transition team without warrant.
    2. Using Halper to set up General Flynn with false claim he was having affair with Russian honeypot.
    3. Setting up General Flynn to be interviewed by FBI (oh, you don’t need a lawyer…)
    4. Threatening General Flynn with possible criminal case against his son.
    5. Comey leaking and lying.
    6. Early morning raid at Manafort home.
    7. Treatment of Michael Cohen. Yes he is a creep, but oh how they tried to flip him.
    8. Papadopoulos attested at airport, tried to frame him with $10,000 from Israeli.
    9. Papadopoulos gets jail time because he didn’t remember a date.
    10. Attempt to set up Don Jr.
    11. FISA warrant against Carter Page.
    12. Early morning raid against Roger Stone, complete with live coverage from CNN.
    13. All of the leaks of Fake News to the press.
    14. Continuing investigation beyond 2016 election even though they new there was no collusion with Russia.

    You can probably add dozens of additional examples. They really believed the President Trump was impetuous; that he would lose his temper and fire Mueller, that he would flip out and invoke executive privilege, etc.

    To the dismay of the coupsters, the President gave complete access to all documents, allowed all executive staff to be interviewed (even the President’s own lawyer), and cooperated with the investigation. He even gave written answers to Mueller’s question.

    The President was calm, cautious and wise in the face of incredible provocation. Most everyone out there would have lost there cool, but President Trump did not. Oh, the Lion did roar a bit when his tail was pulled. The Lion mostly ignored the tail pullers, because he knew the time would soon come when their day or reckoning would arrive. We pray that day will come soon. AG Barr, are you listening?

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    • Raptors2020 says:

      We may have dodged a bullet, with the long list of people who refused to compose (lie) for Mueller. Manafort was effectively tortured, and wouldn’t break. With the millions of Democrats who believed the ludicrous fables of Blasey Ford, there was a ready audience in the country for any lie, the bigger the better.

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  33. Angel Martin says:

    “3. The FBI team then used the dossier to identify a target, Carter Page.
    4. Carter Page was used to put the dossier into official investigative status, via the FISA application.”

    SD, great summary, except, I suspect the following actually happened:

    3. Carter Page was written into the dossier using publicly available information and unverifiable accusations after his name became public, and was linked to the Trump campaign, and was known he had travelled to Russia.
    4. Carter Page was used to put the dossier into official investigative status, via the FISA application.

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  34. Mac says:

    I have to disagree here.
    The Steele Dossier could not be used to authorize a SC investigation. The information in the Steele dossier contained no evidence of aby criminal activity, only intelligence activity. It could be used to bolster the Trump-Russia Collusion narrative. But, it could not be used to launch a SC investigation. That can only be done, under federal law, for criminal investigations.

    Prior to the election of Donald Trump, the thrust of the Get Trump operations was to open a reliable electronic surveillance window into the Trump Campaign. Rogers had shut down the use of NSA 702’s to spy on the campaign in March 2016. The FBI had placed a mole in the campaign to provide interim information, while the FBI attempted to gain a Title I FISA warrant to gain access. Page may or may not have been that agent. When the FBI failed to gain the issuance of a FISA warrant, most likely on Flynn and Manafort, they turned to Page. After all, with a little editing, it could be made to look as though Page might have been an agent of Russia, due to his previous activities in the Buryakov case. That did not fly as hoped, so they introduced the Steele Dossier to bolster the contention that Collusion did in fact exist and that Page was most likely an agent for the Russians. The warrnt on Page was issued after page had left the campaign, but it still covered most of the important members of the campaign through the two hop rule. It is interesting that after Page left the campaign, he initiated contact with high ranking members of the campaign, some of whom he had had no previous contact with.

    As for the SC investigation, a criminal investigation was necessary to open one up. That ws the reason for the convoluted Comey firing, which allowed McCabe to open an obstruction of justice investigation the day after Comey was fired, on Rosenstein’s recommendation, and the appoint of Mueller as SC, also by Rosenstein. Rosenstein immediately moved both the obstruction of justice investigation and the Russian Collusion counter intelligence operation into the SC’s office. The Collusion claim was used to cover the obstruction investigation and is likely why the original authorization for the Mueller SC was not released.

    See, the Collusion narrative coulld be used to keep Trump from being elected and open a surveillance window into the campaign. But, as it was totally fallacious, and the conspiracy knew that, it could not be used to remove Trump from office or even to prevent his inauguration. For that, they needed a criminal charge and they settled on obstruction of justice..

    Except for making it possible to gain a Title I FISA warrant on Page, the Steel Dossier was of little use to the conspiracy. It is of great value in investigating that conspiracy, because it ties so many people into the conspiracy.


    • And the very strangest thing to me is that Rosenstein’s memo arguing for the firing of Comey was – in my judgment – very compelling and well-presented. I cannot explain what he did the next day to advance a criminal conspiracy against the President, and I never would have anticipated that he would have any reason to do so.

      James Comey had to go, and plenty of people throughout the FBI and the Justice community were glad to see him go. The man was, and still is, a liar who simply could not keep his mouth shut. He was “fired with abundant cause” by his superior, and that should have been that. The rest of it is … well … “just plain weird.”


    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      But, it could not be used to launch a SC investigation. That can only be done, under federal law, for criminal investigations.

      CFR is Code of Federal Regulations
      The Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is the codification of the general and permanent rules and regulations (sometimes called administrative law) published in the Federal Register by the executive departments and agencies of the federal government of the United States.


      And Rod Rosenstein’s appointment letter specifically says:

      “The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI
      Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
      Intelligence on March 20, 2017”

      That investigation, said Comey, was a Counterintelligence one not criminal.
      So in fact although it’s “against the rules” as stated in 28CFR600, they did it anyway.

      This is further highlighted by RR’s citation of 600.4 as well as stating
      IF the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
      authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters

      In other words… criminal acts had yet be identified.
      If there were
      Comey would have confirmed THAT in his testimony and RR in his appointment letter.

      I suspect this is why RR didn’t include THE ACTUAL QUOTE of what it was that Comey “CONFIRMED” in that testimony…..
      the true nature of that investigation….

      instead leaving it up to the go look it up.

      but hey…….maybe Rod was just trying to save some ink.


  35. pucecatt says:

    I love reading everyone’s perspectives , I for one don’t believe a word CP says although his demeanor was different today , less confused and not his quirky self . There seems to be a lot of people coming out lately . Law suits from the FBI goons makes me think they are trying to get ahead of the Horowitz report and which I suspect will be out when congress returns , I’m sure congress has been notified that it is ready for release and that congress asked that it not be released until they return from vaca ..also the reports that Strozk was at FBI office tells me he was reading the Horowitz report because he has a right to dispute anything about himself before release along with any others that are in the report . Mc Cabe being hired by cnn is to discredit the upcoming report .. timing timing timing ..

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  36. Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

    Preet is a pile of vile♨ sheet💩.And I hope he meets witjh deserved justice too.

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  37. Laurie Walker says:

    From the beginning … I can’t shake off the impression that he’s a deep state plant, but he can’t figure out how to come out with it and at the same time keep his lifestyle.


  38. warspite2 says:

    About 32 months into the Trump presidency … nothing. Talk, talk, talk. None of the folks who engaged in espionage vs Trump have really been punished. In fact, they are making far more money than when Trump took office. On the other hand Gen Flynn is broke, Roger Stone is in the process of going broke. This is a situation where if you are not winning, you are losing. And we are not winning.


    • MVW says:

      Trump is a man of action and he has let this dog run around the tree for 3 years. Meanwhile, trade restructure, taxes, regulation, wrapping up wars, re-outfitting the military, border, etc. he has been as busy as a cat with 10 tails. This can’t be accidental.

      I can only conclude he is letting the DemoRats and media chase the squirrel up and down the tree. And so far, Demo’s have nothing to show for it.

      I will point out again that this whole show could not run were it not for Jeff Sessions, who at every key point in time did the perfect thing to enable this insurance policy to move forward as planned. Sessions is not a duffer. I don’t know how he was controlled, but he was the the ‘right man for the job (the fix).’

      The point is that I look at what the person’s role based or actual results. No results, or ‘delay, delay, delay,’ lots of smoke, no fire, etc. then that is the role. DOJ can move fast or slow. We have seen it. So, I think Barr is just doing a better job of not cleaning up this Swamp (based on no results, but lots of accolades).

      My strong suspicion is that Trump made a deal with Podesta, No prosecution in exchange for no election results challenge (which could have really tied Trumps hands).

      Enjoy the real results, MAGA.


      • railer says:

        I suspect the deal was made with McConnell, the Deep State’s gatekeeper. Barr would be appointed, a Deep State operative, to “investigate” Muh Russia, but not prosecute, in order to protect Obama and Deep State prerogatives to spy on everybody and manipulate government. Trump went along with this deal because McConnell and Deep State agreed that Mueller would go away, and he was the only existential threat to Trump (“impeachment” is a joke and even the Beltway Swamp creatures know it).

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Don’t forget, Attorney John Durham was only appointed this May 14th. Not a lot of time.

      He reportedly started “weeks earlier”, and I recall references he was reportedly assembling a team of investigators.

      AG Bill Barr only confirmed on Feb 14th. A career CIA and DOJ man, Barr had to realize this was a clusterF–k.

      Ristivan? I found this interesting. “Mr. Durham, who was sworn in as U.S. attorney on Feb. 22,” … if he really started on this case Feb 22nd, THAT gives me hope.

      When an attorney goes from state to Federal work, do they need a new swearing in?


  39. railer says:

    We need a little more public awareness, a few more Horowitz investigations and targets released, and then Trump can fire Powell and replace him, much like he just did with Coats. The traitors will squeal, just as they did with Coats, but only because they know the walls are closing in.


  40. Cocoon says:

    Mueller Investigation lasted 2 years and cost $30 million.
    Mueller testified under oath he did not know GPS or Glenn Simpson!
    Are these people, “the best of the best”, this incompetent or was their a strategy to omit key players from the Investigation?
    It defies any persons common sense.


  41. Bogeyfree says:

    If this is all true as Sundance describes, is it not fraud and an attempt to frame and destroy a Presidential candidate and then a sitting President of the United States??

    Is it even possible that AG Barr could ignore all of this and move forward as if no crimes were committed but just policies broken??

    It is so frustrating and mind boggling to me that this blatant fraud, this blatant frame job has seen ZERO indictments to date.


  42. Bubby says:

    “All of the provocative action by the special counsel team was intended to provoke President Trump into taking action that could be defined as obstruction…The Trump people were targeted in such a hostile manner to bait President Trump into obstructing the investigation….The obstruction would then be used by political allies to remove President Trump” – Sundance

    What has impressed me most was President Trump’s patience in not taking the bait, not being “provoked” into obstruction. That was not something the coup conspirators had planned on. The deep state had no other “insurance plan”, no other contingency plan for President Trump’s complete cooperation! President Trump acted like the innocent man he was by giving them access to everything but a personal interview! President Trump had the literal patience of Job but he did object to their planned lynching! Godspeed President Trump and Sundance!


    • I refer to President Trump as “The Orange Fox.” The patient, inscrutable chess player. The man who was smarter than all of them, more experienced in these things than all of them put together. The man who out-foxed them all.

      As he said, “no one else could have survived this.”

      Now, the House of Representatives – still circling the candle flame like an insane moth – wants to convene as a Kangaroo Court and simply declare that the President “obstructed justice, anyway” when he very plainly didn’t. In spite of the fact that the chief Judicial officer of the US Government, acting in his official capacity and weighing the laws as they are actually written, ruled that there was no evidence that could lead to an indictment. Trump will never face Federal charges. But the House simply wants to use the “novel interpretations” advanced by a canny team of lawyers who are telling them what they want to hear while bilking them (and, us!) out of millions of dollars … a team whose “interpretations” were also formally dismissed by the Attorney General.

      Like it or not, the Democratic moths are going to collide with that candle flame, “pfffft!” because in the end they must obey the Orders given to them by the conspirators. To them, the US Government is an Organized Crime organization and must remain so. The only thing that could give them pause at this point is if some of those conspirators have been arrested and denied bail as a “flight risk.” We shall see.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Perot Conservative says:

      But we can see he has become more relaxed once the legal jackals failed.

      Liked by 1 person

  43. Everett Miller says:

    All so true, and all available evidence also suggests that Carter Page was not innocent, but a willing accomplice in the Sedition. This explains why he can never talk through a straight sentence with clear words or syntax, and, his goofy smile flashing at the odd times, and why he never seemed worried nor was prosecuted.


  44. Bogeyfree says:

    So what if Barr opts to not prosecute anyone??

    Do the people have any recourse if evidence of a possible crime is NOT looked at or investigated?

    Is there anything that holds our AG accountable or does the buck stop with him however he chooses?

    For example:

    1) If the FBI never confiscated or used their forensic team to evaluate the DNC Server?

    2) If the FBI never did a full and complete evaluation of the Wiener Laptop?

    3) If the DOJ knew and if Mifsud was a western agent all along and didn’t act on this evidence?

    4) If the DOJ never spoke with Assange on how Wikileaks got the DNC emails?

    5) If the DOJ never deposed Ed Butowsky and Ratner on what they may know about how Wikileaks got the DNC emails?

    6) If the DOJ never did a deeper dive to evaluate how extensive FISA abuse was from 2012-2016?

    7) If the DOJ never requested from the NSA the 33k HRC emails assuming they indeed capture them?

    8) If the DOJ never confiscated the HRC Server?

    9) If the FBI or DOJ never spoke with the U1 Whistleblower?

    10) If the DOJ never investigated the new Byrne accusations?

    11) If the DOJ never ran a trace on the serial numbers on the $10K given to PapaD?

    12) If the DOJ knew Page was not an agent of a foreign power all along?

    These are just 12 examples off the top of my head of potential evidence. I’m sure others could add another dozen or two on top of this.

    My question again to any legal experts out there……….

    What options if any do the people have to hold our DOJ accountable to ensure a full and thorough investigation of all evidence and leads are evaluated?

    In the end is it truly Barr’s decision and if he views it as departmental policy was crossed but not laws broken is that it, game over???

    So frustrating when one looks at just these 12 examples and wonder if any of them are being fully examined??


    • Maybe I will one day be proved to be a fool who wasn’t cynical when he was supposed to be, but when I look at Messrs. Horowitz, Barr, Durham, and Trump,” I do not see people who are going to let criminals “get away.” Quite the opposite.

      I believe that when Mr. Barr was asked to return as Attorney General (thus being only the second person in American history to do so), I think he had a job to do. Likewise, when President Trump said that exposing this corruption would be a hallmark of his Presidency, I think that he meant every word.

      What’s troubling to us right now is that we cannot see it. Yet. But, that’s how the legal process works: you are “presumed innocent,” and “cloaked in a glowing robe of Innocence” as you are, you’re entitled for no one to know that you might be suspected of guilt. Grand Juries conduct their deliberations in complete secrecy. (Idiot Comey didn’t care that) The FBI presents their findings only to Federal prosecutors and never talks about it. As the late Mr. Epstein (may he rest in Hell …) rudely discovered, you have no idea that a Grand Jury has sworn out an indictment against you until handcuffs are being snapped around your wrists.

      I remain confident that we will see criminal prosecution, because I trust that these people know their duty and will do it. But I also remain confident that we will only find out about what’s coming down when we read about arrests that had just been made in the middle of the night before. These people got away with high crime for a very long time … but, I submit, not forever.

      Liked by 2 people

      • 335blues says:

        Truly, we all hope for accountability, and justice.
        The alternative would mean we are no longer a Constitutional Republic.


    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Numbers 3 and 11 on your list would seem to be insurmountable for Barr to simply whitewash away if proven to be true.

      Mifsud CAN NOT be Western intel……PERIOD.
      The one absolute REQUIREMENT in a RUSSIAN COLLUSION investigation is….
      Mifsud is Comey and Mueller’s PREDICATE though they try like hell to tap dance around it…..
      PapaD repeating a story he heard from one Western intel agent to another Western intel agent is the counterintelligence equivalent of “water-cooler banter”.
      (And that’s giving the benefit of the doubt that Mifsud wasn’t INSTRUCTED to tell the story)

      Specifically $10K “marked” US currency being given to PapaD by Tawil right before his return to the US upon which he was arrested ON PROBABLE CAUSE (NO Warrant)…..simply no legitimate investigatory explanation for that if PapaD being investigated as part of a “Russian conspiracy” involving Hillary “dirt”.
      Garden variety entrapment.


  45. This is one of the many things that I hope that both Inspector Horowitz (in his mostly procedural role), and the Federal prosecutors / Barr, and Senator Graham (among many others in Congress) will formally investigate, report on, and reform:

    Without Carter Page, the Steele Dossier is just an assembly of political opposition research. However, with Carter Page painted as an “agent of a foreign government” the Steele Dossier moves from opposition research into evidence that needs to be investigated.

    This alone should not have been enough!! Even if a document is “in the hands of” someone who has falsely been described as “an agent of a foreign government,” that alone does not make it “evidence that needs to be investigated.” You need to know where it came from. You need to be truthful about where it came from.

    And, my point is: “you can much too easily lie” about where it came from. If your “corrupt intent” is to game the system, you can too-easily do so. All you need to do is lie with a straight face. There are no “checks and balances” anywhere. (There should be.) The “FISA Court” was intended to be such a “check,” but it is clearly insufficient.

    Likewise, the case of the idealistic young Russian woman who is languishing in an American prison. Was she in fact “an agent of a foreign government?” Very doubtful. But here she is in jail.

    And again, the Russian companies who are now suing in American court to clear their name. The judge in this case has specifically ordered the US Government to stop making this very claim.

    The entire underpinnings of both the “FISA Court” and “[foreign] surveillance” is, we now see, effortlessly gamed. We also should be extremely alarmed at how extensive it is … “what do you mean, you know where my car is? And, can you steer it?” Knowledge is power, and we now very plainly see how knowledge – gathered for whatever good(?) reason but now in the wrong hands – can be used as a weapon and an instrument of “high crime.” Or maybe, worse.

    There are many, many “lessons learned” that we must take from this awful national experience. For many, many, many, many reasons, “this must never be possible to happen again.”

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    • P.S.: Can you, today, kill someone in an awful car wreck with a click of the mouse? There are strong indications today that you can. (This statement is not hyperbole. “Be afraid … be very afraid … and then do something about it.”)


  46. 335blues says:

    The description of the set up of President Trump
    reads like the plot of a cheap dime store novel.
    Are there still cheap dime store novels?


  47. Zorro says:

    Dirty deeds done dirt cheap? Not so much. Besides the millions rung up by Mueller/Weissmann, all these government crooks spent countless hours on the taxpayers dime working on their schemes. Resources diverted away from real crimes. Fraud. Why your family can’t have nice things.


  48. Rusty says:

    the hard part is that these people know what they are doing……everything they did has plausible deniability. The only way to break this open is for one of them to talk.

    If not for the strozck/page text this would all look like a bad conspiracy theory.


    • Perot Conservative says:

      Wrong. Exculpatory information buried all over the place.

      – George Pap. exculpatory info
      – Kavelec (sp?) / State Dept exculpatory Steele review
      – UK / CYA email / Steele unreliable (right after election)
      – UK CYA memo sent to State Dept / others; Steele unreliable
      – Etc


  49. NYMinuteman says:

    This is a little bit tortured and lends a sophistication to what was a crude effort that it does not deserve. Obstruction was just a desperation heave – a Hail Mary when all else failed. Trump has for so long been reviled by elites that they assumed that Mueller would find plenty of dirt on Trump to start impeachment hearings on matters financial or Russia-related. When nothing boiled up, Trump’s firing of Comey became suddenly obstructive, no matter that he could fire 100 FBI directors in a row and it would not stop an investigation, but rather would accelerate it. When that was debunked, suddenly thoughts and angry orders became obstructive – again, no matter that firing 1000 DAG’s would not stop an investigation. There was no intent to use obstruction to remove Trump – the Keystone Kops merely fell back on it when all else failed. I mean, small-time machine pol and big-time trencherman Jerry Nadler as your standard bearer doesn’t exactly lend your operation a patina of legitimacy.

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  50. Perot Conservative says:

    Solomon reported Horowitz has completed his FISA OIG report, and it’s being passed over to Barr this week.

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