U.S. Intelligence Positions Hong Kong as Proxy Conflict With China – Thankfully President Trump Sees Trap…

The situation in Hong Kong is a geopolitical dynamic that will likely become much more volatile in the next few weeks, months and/or years.  One constant in an ever-changing universe is how the UniParty in DC will attempt to drag the U.S. into the issues.

First, Hong Kong is China.  Whether a generation of people look back with regret to the time when Great Britain ceded the territory to Beijing is irrelevant.  China has, and will have, full control over Hong Kong; and that’s the way it is.  This will not be reversed.

Any effort for the people within Hong Kong to reverse the situation and escape the clutches of oppressive communism while retaining their liberty will only lead to massive bloodshed.

Unfortunately for Hong Kong, as President Trump decouples the U.S. economy from the duplicitous communist Chinese enterprise, Beijing will grasp more control over the heavily Western-influenced economic strata in/around Hong Kong.

Stand back and look at the bigger picture.  President Trump has neutralized, essentially made irrelevant, Beijing’s use of their proxy province, North Korea.  President Trump has embraced Kim Jong-un, not as much out of a position of warmth – but rather as a tactic to block China from weaponizing the DPRK as leverage during the U.S-China trade confrontation.

Beijing still uses their influence to shoot rockets, test missiles etc and president Trump ignores it now.  Why?  Because North Korea already has nuclear missiles; they’re the same nuclear missiles China has… and it is silly now to think China will remove their nuclear missiles to gain an economic benefit.

If U.S. policy isn’t trying to remove nuclear weapons from China, then why would U.S. policy try to remove nuclear weapons from the DPRK.?  They’re the same nukes.

Losing their DPRK leverage, and understanding Beijing has no direct tools to defeat the U.S. in an direct economic confrontation, means China will look elsewhere. That’s where Hong Kong comes into play.

[Always remember, despite the U.S. tariffs on China, there are no tariffs on Hong Kong]

Do we feel sympathy watching a once free society slip into the grips of an oppressive and totalitarian system now ruled by a communist dictator for life in Chairman Xi Jinping?  Sure we do.  But they made these choices decades ago… now they have the consequences.

If Hong Kong tries to resist Beijing, they will be crushed.  Hundreds more will be arrested and disappeared.  Thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, will be killed.  There is already a ongoing flight of wealth out of Hong Kong as the smart and wealthy position their assets overseas to survive the arrival of Beijing’s storm troopers.

The future for Hong Kong is dark.  It is not going to end in anything resembling what exists today.  Hong Kong will be Beijing 2.0, and will be entirely dominated by Chinese authoritarian rule.  The difference in 2019 is the speed at which it is happening.

Things are speeding up now in direct proportion to the severity of the U.S. decoupling our economy from China.   As the Chinese economy weakens, Beijing will get more desperate.

Many voices around President Trump will cry out for intervention.  The UniParty will demand intervention and decry President Trump’s instinct to stay away from the self-made crisis.

It is not our issue; and engaging in Hong Kong only opens up another pathway for China to play the duplicitous leverage game…. Beijing will play the “we’ll spare, delay, or dilute the Hong Kong absorption, if you agree to our trade terms” game. [lies, lies, lies]

President Trump needs to engage with China and Hong Kong as one nation, under one rule, with one motive and intent.   Trying to win a Chinese trade conflict while parsing the economy of China from the economy of Hong Kong, is like trying to parse the nukes in China from the nukes in North Korea.

Hong Kong is lost.  Hong Kong belongs to China.  Thousands of Hong Kongers will be killed or disappeared into camps as Beijing absorbs the region.  The U.S. cannot continue to engage globally in an effort to protect nations from the consequences of their own decisions.

If Great Britain wants to send an armada of battle ships to warn Beijing against aggression with Hong Kong, then we should support.  Wait… wha?  Oh, Great Britain no longer has a Navy because the high-minded EU collective wanted to hold hands and sing ‘we-are-the-world’ instead of planning to defend its interests for the past twenty years….  I digress.

Hong Kong is not our issue.

The CIA will try to make it our issue.  The State Department will try to make it our issue.  The UniParty in DC will try to make it our issue.  John Bolton will try to make it our issue. Activists in Hong Kong will try to make it our issue.  All of the far-left globalists will try to make it our issue….  Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney will try to make it our issue; but it’s not our issue.

We pray for peace and send our prayers, but we cannot succeed in the larger economic confrontation with cunning China if we attempt to ignore the direct connective tissue between Beijing and Hong Kong.

Instead, start applying the Chinese tariffs on Hong Kong as soon as Beijing tanks arrive.

Tough love.

 

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416 Responses to U.S. Intelligence Positions Hong Kong as Proxy Conflict With China – Thankfully President Trump Sees Trap…

  1. sundance says:

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    • Wanna have HK YOUR way, China?
      … Bring on the TARIFFS!

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      • bertdilbert says:

        The only problem is that if HK is unopposed then China will likely take that as greenlighting that it is OK to invade Taiwan. Taiwan buys considerable US military equipment. We lose Taiwan, we lose a customer. The next spike in bitcoin may be Taiwan.

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        • Pale rider says:

          Yes I don’t see this nearly as benign as purposed here. China is dangerous the fact they are willing to do exactly what they are doing is going to lead to a war. Communists always always resort to killing.
          It’s like playing chess with a mob hit man, you may win the chess game and lose your life, he is more than willing as is china. Without the threat of death what else they got?

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        • Deb says:

          Except the US has officially recognized the treaty that gives China control over China.

          The situation with Taiwan is completely different.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          Double-edged sword. If the US does interfere then China can forcibly react by saying the US is getting involved in internal Chinese matters, giving it the impetus it needs to jump feet first into Taiwan, the Spratlys, the islands contested between China, Japan and Russia – a bunch of stuff.

          Hong Kong wasn’t like Taiwan, it wasn’t patriots streaming to safety from advancing Communist hordes. It was ceded to Britain, along with a bunch of other sovereign Chinese land, after Britain won a war fought over the ‘right’ of Britain to flood China with opium. The British theft of Hong Kong has been a national embarrassment to China over a number of governments for just short of 160 years. It was returned back to the PRC with an understanding that they would find a way to merge but it’s been almost 20 years and the two still can’t crawl into bed.

          There’s never been a time when any international agency recognized Hong Kong as an independent nation, it’s always been seen as a British possession or ‘protectorate), a distinction without a difference. If PRC does send its military in, a likely scenario, the UN and many nations will fluff their feathers but will accede, ultimately, to China’s doing so under the rubric of suppressing internal criminal actions, a lane the PRC’s already driving in. These nations seeing this also have to agree to agree as to disagree would put a crimp in their suppressing internal ‘criminal’ actions too.

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        • Taiwan’s about to enter an existential Cage Match … against Godzilla.

          Sad.

          Wondering why Japanese auto manufacturers are racing to Make-in-USA?

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    • The Demon Slick says:

      Excellent take. Feelings are great but we can’t be ruled by them.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Dutchman says:

        More than anything else, both his detractors and some of his supporters fail to understand this about DJT.

        He learned this lesson at his fathers knee, and totally embraced it at,an early age.

        When faced with a situation, with an uncertain outcome, DO NOT allow your emotions to dictate your actions;
        It WILL get you KILLED. Your emotions will invariably guarantee a negative outcome.

        Or, as you say “Feelings are great, but we CAN’T be ruled by them”.

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    • sundance says:

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      • SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

        Of course he wont take the bait…
        Why are you acting like President Trump is a dummy?
        It’s like you think you know more than him..

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        • Daniel says:

          Sundance isn’t really messaging the president. It’s more rhetorical. Sundance observes president Trump is more than aware and will handle this properly. Sundance’s message is to any and all of his followers (like us) about what we should expect.

          The memory of Tienanmen is still fresh in my mind. I really, truly, do not want to see that happen. Riot police are already doing what they do over there, however.

          I just read a refresher on how Hong Kong was returned to China here:

          https://www.newsweek.com/did-britain-abandon-hong-kong-chinese-632132

          I was younger when this happened. I didn’t have nearly the interest in global politics that I have today. (Sundance! This is YOUR fault! You made it interesting!!!!) But I recall the news reporting on it. Never understood why but also heard China was shifting over to a more free market, blah blah… lies apparently.

          Here’s the REAL lie, in my view. There IS no “communism” in the world. Communism is the ideology of the working man. The people running things are just dictators saying things to people while taking their lives from them. We need a better term than communism.

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          • John Bosley says:

            ” We need a better term than communism. ”

            How bout Feudalism.
            Where the Kings, Queens and associated Nobles rule over us sorry a$$ed SERFS.

            Liked by 2 people

            • Deb says:

              The serfs under European feudalism had many more rights and a higher quality of life than Chinese peasants.

              The Russian model of feudalism was the harshest, it made the serfs into slaves. It’s no coincidence that is was replaced by communism. They simply replaced the Tsar with the Party. They gave the Serfs more creature comforts, like electricity, but even fewer rights then under the Tsar.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            There is no way Trump can get caught in this international honey trap. Hong Kong is PRC territory just as Beijing is, the Brits owned it as one of their last colonies. If Trump moves in and interferes with the PRC enforcing agreements with a sovereign Chinese entity made 20 years ago why shouldn’t Beijing not directly interfere with, let’s say, Hawaiian affairs?

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          • Dutchman says:

            “Communism is the ideology of the working man”
            I beg to disagree. I call it “CONmunism; it is a CON, liked the dropped wallet, 3 card monte, or Nigerian email.
            It PURPORTS to be an ideology, it ISN’T.

            It PURPORTS to be the ideology of the worker, it ISN’T. It is well documentrd, by the very people advocating it, and describing how to implement it.

            How to generate class envy, or in its latest iteration, (while it STILL uses class envy “Tax the RICH guys and Corporations) they have added race envy, with this whole white priveledge, and even gender envy.

            Its all a stew if B.S., that depends on stirring up strong emotional responce, to shut down critical thinking, creating “useful idiot” followers.
            So, NOT an ideology, a CON.
            NOT representing workers, but targeting workers to exploit as an army of useful idiots, that will elevate a smaal group of elitists into power over all.

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            • Reloader says:

              It IS CONmunism. A CON where Criminals are in Charge. NOT an ideology. NOT an economic system. Simply a CON run by a MOB. Liars, Thieves and Murderers. On a Global Basis … OBVIOUSLY people doing the bidding of the Father of Lies, and the Father of Murder.

              So far from the righteous foundations of America that conmunist countries should not even be mentioned in the same context. The Bible says that the descendants of Abraham will number as the sand of the sea, that the nations of Abraham’s descendants will hold the gates of their enemies (ocean routes) and that the whole world will benefit from the blessings of the land of the descendants of Abraham.

              Do you really think this is referring to the tiny country of Israel?

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              • Dutchman says:

                No, I don’t. And I agree the Father of lies is ultimately behind all lies, evil and the evil, lieing ideology of Conmunism and Islamism.

                Many have posted here, how you can see the evil in their faces.
                Enraged, (demon possesed?) They scream with heads raised to the heavens. They are deluded, decieved and trying to tell them the truth only enrages them more.

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        • albertus magnus says:

          If you really feel that way, why hang out on Sundance’s website? Feel free to go visit Romney.com or RyantheRat.com or wherever you will find a comfortable place for your views.

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      • The Demon Slick says:

        I think that’s exactly right. If China can’t backdoor us through Hong Kong maybe they’ll lay off. Eventually though Hong Kong is screwed no matter what.

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        • Daniel says:

          If China is erasing any distinction between China and Hong Kong, then there isn’t really even a policy change. If Hong Kong as an entity is erased, then only the policy regarding China remains.

          Next up? Taiwan.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            Hong Kong as an entity outside of China proper never really existed. Britain ‘leased’ it and in 1898 promised to return it to China in 1997. The Brits negotiating that most likely never thought England would decline as a world powerhouse and that China would awaken and return to its position as position as world commerce giant. The Brits blew the guess there.

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        • Sharpshorts says:

          “maybe they’ll lay off” is a pipe dream. Hong Kong is another Afghanistan and Vietnam rolled up into a gigantic quagmire

          .Consider the Nixon/Kissinger approach, beginning in the 1960s, IE; “opening up China to the west”.. Relative to today we knew little about China. With the benefit of hindsight, we now know much more.
          Compare the China of that time to the China of today and ask yourself some questions —
          ** Has China become more or less reasonable due to western
          influences or policies that have been introduced since Nixon?
          **Is the world better off because China is no longer completely self isolated?
          **Are their subjects/citizens better off?

          IMO, just because we welcomed them into our home (and they accepted) does not mean they can take our furniture. The tariffs are an initial hint that they have overstayed their visit and are a “polite” way to ask them to leave our house.

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      • bessie2003 says:

        Truly hope he sticks with relying on his instincts and doesn’t take the bait.

        Agree, HK is part of China and there is no going back. What the world will see however, is that by not keeping to their initial agreement with the UK the world will know in no uncertain terms that forever into the future the words of any Chinese government isn’t going to be worth the paper they are written on.

        I have a friend who has worked in mainland China for a few years now, as a teacher. She’s back in the States now, on vacation, and so sent her this article hoping that she has finally decided to find work back home in the U.S, this time.

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-education/class-dismissed-surge-in-arrests-of-foreign-teachers-in-china-idUSKCN1V2233?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter&fbclid=IwAR31JqjFI_NWEv9ojDH4Cg1oL3Iuvs_P3MNGmwNh-5xAuEPecJYV1u-1Z5c

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    • Bob says:

      As usual, China breaks every contract they sign….even before the ink dries.

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  2. McCarthy says:

    Hong Kong is our issue. China is our issue we created when we abandoned the Republic of China in the late 40’s.

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    • The Boss says:

      Disagree. Big time.

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      Uh, No.
      We have no treaty commitment with Hong Kong, thank you God.
      If the PLA does its violence, apply the tarrifs.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        They’ve already stacked enough military equipment on the shore opposite Taiwan and in the waters around it to sink it through sheer mass. All it’s going to take is the right spark to rain down hell on the island. The Chinese have teams dedicated to creating contingency plans for an attack on the island and every so often have huge joint force exercises to test them and get their forces comfortable and familiar with the action when it takes place.

        If China moves the US is going to be in a spot as the distances involved mean we must have basing in Japan and South Korea to act and right now the US, South Korea and Japanese defense relations are a bit rocky. Question is how ready are our ‘allies’ to back us especially as Korea and Japan are throwing rocks at each other while China and Russia are making military moves to seize islands the Japanese claim.

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Hong Kong and Taiwan are NOT the same. Taiwan’;s been recognized as a country, before the world sorta stabbed it in the back by giving it back to China, but Hong Kong’s always been recognized as a Chinese territory forcibly leased to England who promised to return it.

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  3. DJT2020 says:

    THIS.THIS.THIS.

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  4. WeMakeOurStandHere says:

    You can bet that China will ramp up their rhetoric against Taiwan in the very near future as well.

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    • Sentient says:

      Also not our fight.

      Liked by 4 people

      • KPomeroy says:

        Alas, it is our fight.

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        • Deb says:

          No, it isn’t. We will intervene if our direct interests are at stake.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            True dat – and why risk even a regional war with hundreds if not thousands of casualties? Are we going to risk a possible nuclear war with China and/or Russia over the real possibility of a mistake? Hong Kong flat out, by international treaty, BELONGS to Beijing.

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      • GB Bari says:

        President Trump has already voiced publicly strong U.S. support for Taiwan including militarily. If he backed down on that it would be his “read my lips” moment. I fully expect the CCP to test our President on his loyalty to Taiwan before the 2020 election as the commies become more desperate for leverage with which to threaten PDJT on the trade issue. I have no doubts POTUS has long had that possibility factored into his strategies and plans.

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        • Reloader says:

          And a kinetic fight will be the end of the Conmunist Party of China.

          The PLA will lose all engagements with the militaries of the U.S. and Taiwan. The Chinese people will revolt due to the collapse of the Chinese economy. All trade with China will cease. All manufacturing in China will have no purpose. China has no means of feeding its people. The middle class of China will murder the 2,700 CONmunists still running the country as a Criminal Mob.

          Do it, China CCP. Do it. … and Buh bye.

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    • BoreMole says:

      That seems different as the world has declared that Taiwan is sovereign.

      I appreciate and agree with the isolationist stance toward HK, but that doesn’t mean we cannot implement rather extreme additional economic measures should they do so. I don’t know anyone rational who wants to go to war with China. But cracking down on a free people is a grievous injustice, no matter whose “territory” it is.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        Taiwan is sovereign with a small ‘s’. It’s out of the UN and most major countries have a ‘One China’ policy, US included. Trump is pushing the limits on the Policy and China’s treating this as a civil war to bring a secessionist province back into the fold. If we interfere what’s to stop China from actively intervening if California wants to secede and form its own country?

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  5. [Repost from 8/11]
    HK Protesters will DISAPPEAR-to-DIE
    … perhaps in large numbers.

    HK Citizens will execute a WORK STOPPAGE
    … possibly FREEZING the HK ECONOMY.

    HK Wealth will FLEE to SAFETY
    … beyond the reach of the PRC.
    … as China SNATCHES HK WEALTH before it can “Exfiltrate to Safety”.

    China will then LOSE HK as the FINANCIAL HUB of ASIA
    … as Foreign Investors, Manufacturers and Businesses FLEE to SAFETY
    … and Chinese Banks & Businesses FLOUNDER into BANKRUPTCY

    All of which is, of course, PURE SPECULATION.😉

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    • Dekester says:

      As many CTH posters will already know, the smart money fled H.K. Years ago.

      We have hundreds of thousands,yes hundreds of thousands. Mainland Chinese and H.K. Chinese in the Greater Vancouver and Greater Toronto area.

      Ships pilots guiding Chinese registered ships into Vancouver harbour can tell you stories of the massive wealth that has already fled to safety.

      A Chinese national now Canadian citizen I talk with almost daily, told me just a couple of months ago about property he recently sold on some Chinese owned resort island.

      He is from Shanghai, his 99 year old mother is the only immediate family he has left in China.

      Cheers, and God bless PDJT

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      • louche9 says:

        “We have hundreds of thousands,yes hundreds of thousands. Mainland Chinese and H.K. Chinese in the Greater Vancouver and Greater Toronto area.”

        And how many of those hundreds of thousands will give up their cushy Canadian lives to go fight for Hong Kong? It’s very easy for the rest of the world to rally for the U.S. to “do something”, followed immediately by cries of “Imperialist Pigs” when we actually follow through.

        I feel for and am sorry for the HK victims in that mess, but I’m also aware of the extreme likelihood that the blame emphasis will not be on the brutality of Mainland China, but on the cruelty of the U.S. for not jumping in to save the day.

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        • Dekester says:

          louche9,

          I doubt any of the ones I’ve met, worked or have done business with would.

          That said. The money, influence and control they have is difficult to comprehend.

          Take a look at the sale of the “ expo land” sale that occurred shortly after 1986. A vast area of downtown Vancouver was sold to a Hong Kong billionaire.

          Our Premier at the time, and the Cities Mayor cemented the deal. Hmmm.

          I don’t think it is an exaggeration to state that countless billions of Chinese/ H.K. cash has been laundered through Canadian Real Estate.

          Who was the Chinese guy that said something like “ May you live in interesting times.” Or something like that.

          God bless PDJT

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          • czarowniczy says:

            “:…interesting times” is an apocryphal Chinese saying but a noted Chinese guy did say that “power grows out of the barrel of a gun”. The new Chinese guys still hold to that.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        And HK businesses have already started leaving or have contingency plans. China will swallow Hong Kong but it’s going to be very difficult to digest. Partially due to the uncertainties of a PRC takeover the HK housing market is in turmoil, there is a backlog of construction and it’s being stalled by a lack of new land having been made to build new housing on. And that’s just the beginning.

        The mainland’s big problem is going to be trying to limit the damage to PRC subjects with 7 million non-Communists coming on board. China’s going to need a lot of Pepto.

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    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      Xi can be called many things, most of them both nasty and well-deserved, but one thing he is not is a fool. He and his Chicom comrades must be fearful of something more detrimental to their brutal regime than losing the Goose that lays the golden eggs (aka: Hong Kong – the financial hub of Asia).

      The Chicoms must realize that by sending the PLA to execute Operation: Tiananmen Square II, they may confiscate a fair amount of booty, but like Daffy Duck said after blowing himself up to beat Bugs Bunny at a magic show contest, “Yeah, yeah I know……but I can only do it one time!” The ONLY reason Hong Kong was so wealthy and successful in the first place, was because the Chicoms did not interfere in Hong Kong’s financial business operations.

      So, there must be another reason – in my humble opinion, the tariffs imposed by President Trump must be hurting the PLA much worse than the Chicoms are admitting, and they are fearful of the great unwashed masses rising up in revolt across the mainland. If that is indeed the case, expect the Chicoms, and their allies in our very own U.S. Congress (yes, I said that), to use Hong Kong as an emotional battering ram (it’s all Trump’s fault…..oh, the horror!) against President Trump’s trade policies.

      By the way, for those who don’t know, while PLA is the abbreviation for People’s Liberation Army, the PLA in fact also encompasses numerous Chicom financial, trade, industrial, and research interests. Remember Bubba’s good buddy Charlie Trie (c.199

      McConnell, Finestine, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, et al. need to be watched very closely; I wish somebody would publicly “out” ALL of our “elected leaders” who have benefited greatly financially from Chicom lobbyists (and others) purchasing their votes.

      That would be an interesting story as well.

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      • Daniel says:

        Socialist/communists do not understand “wealth creation.” What they understand, just like Bernie Sanders, is “you have an lot and I want it!”

        China has a “long term” plan against the Trump administration and its policies. It plans to wait it out but it must also survive long enough to wait it out. It’s my guess they see Hong Kong as a great piggy bank and must now rob it to sustain their plans.

        Ain’t gonna work, but that’s my interpretation.

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      • Greg1 says:

        Solid post.

        Its beautiful how Xi and company underestimated President Trump. And I think that is what President Trump wanted allllllllll along. They don’t underestimate him now……

        Only liberals underestimate him now.

        Hopefully they will realize their mistake after a monumental election loss in 2020. And be powerless to stop him from making America even GREATER, with the help of The Lord above.

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        • De Oppresso Liber says:

          I sure hope you’re right about 2020….I put nothing past these vile, repugnant, America hating extremists that call themselves democrats. I have no doubt they are planning on the most flagrant, aggressive, massive voter fraud we’ve ever seen for the upcoming elections.

          FYI – did you catch the news from N. Dakota today? The 8th U.S. Appellate Court upheld N. Dakota’s Voter ID Law. Can you believe that? So, unless SCOTUS knocks it down, which I doubt, then every state can now also enact similar legislation……I believe. If so, what a yuuuge victory!

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      • Dutchman says:

        D O L,
        Excellant analyses, agree exposing 90% of CONgress as colluders and CCP manchurian candidates.
        I think there is,a more fundamental reason why China MUST ‘crack down’ on protesters.
        “Tyranny’s got to tyranny, Dictators got to dictate.”; in the end, brute force is all they have, and if they don’t apply it, when challenged, they lose the inly credibility they have.

        Any dictatorship that hesitates or displays weakness, is doomed. Ultimately it is the internal security force that holds China together, or more accurately the WILL to use it.

        If the populace detects an unwillingness to use it, or even hesitation, its over. The regime is a dead regime walking.

        If they are percieved as unable or unwilling to brutally supress, thats it.

        All this thought about agreemants, international ramifications is irrelevant.
        Cause Dictators gotta Dictate, ya know?

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        • De Oppresso Liber says:

          I remember when the Brits ceded governance of Hong Kong to the Chicoms, with all the expert, State Dept-type diplomats talking about the agreement. Many made comments to the effect of China is an honorable nation, and if they make this public agreement they are bound to it by honor, and other such drivel.

          The Chicoms are honorable? I laughed my ass off marveling at what fools they were. I wish somebody would make a collage of the idiots making those claims back then!

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          • Dutchman says:

            How about the deal with Ukraine? Stupid deal, and the best argument against nonproliferstion of nukes until Quddafi.
            The State Dept is the essence of the ‘elite’ and the list of times they have been right about anything is SMALL.

            Close down FBI/DOJ and CIA? Sure, but perhaps we start with the,State Dept.?

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      China will gain a territory, and lose economic assets and leverage in the process.
      They are exposing their dragon soul for all to see.
      One belt, one road…… one straight jacket.

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  6. [Repost from 8/13 Presidential thread]
    POTUS WINS on China Trade:

    • Goldman Sachs just announced NO possibility of a Trade Deal
    … triggering their investors to EXIT STOCKS
    … and BUY BONDS

    • POTUS announces SELECTIVE Tariff exclusions & delays
    … NO SPIKES Christmas Prices for Imports from China [Merry Christmas, Mainstreet]
    … NO Q3-Q4 INFLATION

    • Stocks SURGE & Bonds DROP
    … Screwing Goldman Client-Customers
    … Undermining the Voice-of-Globalists who argue “No Trade Deal Possible”
    … Driving the Manufacturing Exodus from China to CONTINUE
    … POTUS Transferred OWNERSHIP of the Exodus to the Globalist-CCP Cabal.

    • Chinese Communist Party’s “Strategic Off-site” thrown into TURMOIL
    … CCP Hardliners CANNOT CRACK DOWN on Hong Kong without triggering BIGGER Tariffs
    … POTUS Transferred OWNERSHIP of Trade-Deal Outcomes to the CCP
    … China must now MAKE CONCESSIONS that POTUS gave NOTHING to get

    POTUS is now the DOMINANT Global Force-for-Good.

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  7. DJT2020 says:

    So many decades our country has been the cops of the world. Being led to and fro like fools. Blood lost and treasure in the trillions and for what? Nothing we do is going to change the envy other nations have for us. In fact one can imagine them laughing at us as we fight their battles for them. This HK mess is 100% on the UK and the Chicomms. MacArthur was right.

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  8. Sharon says:

    “Hong Kong is lost. Hong Kong belongs to China. Thousands of Hong Kongers will be killed or disappeared into camps as Beijing absorbs the region. The U.S. cannot continue to engage globally in an effort to protect nations from the consequences of their own decisions.”

    Yes. Thank you, Sundance, for stating what is so.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-anniversary-china-idUSKBN19L1J1

    These protesters were either not born or were 4-5 years old when China was given into the gentle embrace of Beijing, by Great Britain. Don’t they know that? Are they simply pretending it is not so?

    Do they think that the Chinese won’t demand what was agreed to?

    The only complaint they might have is that the China Communists, (turns out) were apparently not willing to wait the agreed upon 50 years to do what the Chinese Communists do.

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    • Morgul Lord says:

      What was agreed to was “one country, two systems”. The Chinese are reneging on that agreement, big time. We may allow China to swallow Hong Kong, but its communization was nt “what was agreed to”.

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      • Sentient says:

        So?

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      • @ChicagoBri says:

        That agreement was with the U.K., not the USA.

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      • Sharon says:

        “One country, two systems” for fifty years is what was agreed on. The protesters could argue that point, then: “You promised to give us 50 years!!!!”

        They apparently somehow convinced themselves that they can undo what was agreed to. As far as I have observed, they are not protesting the timing of Beijing’s move on Hong Kong. They are demanding reversal of the substance of the agreement.

        Such a demand is futile. Do they know that?

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        • John says:

          They see demonstrations in the West. They see statues removed and politicians backpedal. They falsely assume what they witness on social media they too can force to happen in their homeland. Massively naive and ignorant on their part. These kids will get crushed underfoot. They may want to believe they have American-style democratic rights but they are about to find out the hard way how egregious their thinking is. Sadly, many will pay for this mistake with their lives… either literally snuffed-out or spent in a miserable prison cell for decades. Bad situation. Too bad they don’t have 2nd Amendment rights. Too late. They should escape ASAP even if it means fleeing with nothing. I’ll gladly trade 100 HK refugees for every 1 South American illegal who has crossed our border. Talk about trust grateful and productive new citizens.

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          • John says:

            *trust was supposed to be “truly” grateful

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          • Deb says:

            They are not as naive as you may think. Targeting the airport shows tactical thinking. Hong Kong is only useful to China as a hub for International business and finance.

            As for being jailed or killed, many people would gladly risk their lives for freedom. It’s a sacrifice people make in our armed forces everyday. As someone who comes from a military family full of veterans, I find your belittling of the sacrifice of one’s life for freedom to be a but insulting.

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      • De Oppresso Liber says:

        That agreement was purely a PR stunt, designed for the Brits to save face, while surrendering Hong Kong without bloodshed. The Chicoms took Hong Kong with absolutely no intention of honoring any silly agreement made with a declining “empire” no longer powerful enough to tell anybody to do a damn thing.

        There were very likely some well-intentioned diplomats who sincerely hoped it would all work out though. Maybe since then they have matured enough to realize how the real world works…..maybe. 😉

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        • Deb says:

          I remember being told over and over at the time by the talking heads that China was becoming a free market, that modernization and globalization would open it up even more.

          It’s possible the people in Hong Kong believed that in 50 years China would be thoroughly modernized and see the wisdom of their capitalistic system.

          Either way, our elites over the last 30 years have simply refused to acknowledge the brutal, violent and totalitarian nature that communism must always resort too. Their wishful thinking will now lead us to bloodshed.

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          • De Oppresso Liber says:

            I hope it doesn’t lead US to bloodshed. Sundance has never been more correct than on this subject – the people of Hong Kong voted for this themselves; WE had nothing to do with their choices or decisions.

            I am not being glib when I say that I hate it for the people; I truly feel sorry for them, but they should be mad at their countrymen who voted for this insanity.

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  9. scrap1ron says:

    We have no need nor is it in our best interests to to trade with China at all.

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    • bluebongo says:

      To an extent, however, to crush them economically is not in our interests either. The migrant flow a collapsed China would create would forever alter worldwide demographics.

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      • John says:

        Excellent point! But we could use a few more Chinese restaurants and a few less taco stands. : )

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      • Daniel says:

        I don’t see a problem with that. There is a term used for it and I don’t quite remember what it was. Oh yes, “The Model Minority.” For as long as I can remember, the drum beat of the Democrats has been about “minority oppression” and “poverty causes crime” and all of that. Turns out there is a “model minority” who manage to make great use of government services in order to become independent and eventually ever quite wealthy from the hand up granted through government programs.

        East Asian people are that “anomaly” minority who, regardless of how bad it was where they came from, invariably rise to the top of whatever situation is presented to them. If we had Chinese refugees flooding our borders, I wouldn’t be nearly so concerned. I could be wrong in that in many cases, what we see are only the most driven and ambitious of people are the first arrivals and so they set higher expectations. Communism kills the soul of a people. But my expectations of a migrant flow of Chinese people would likely be a net benefit to the US as a country.

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        • louche9 says:

          Chinese nationals have no more connection to American history than Latin Americans; in fact, far less. When they massed in enough numbers and inevitably rose to take control of the government, the education system, etc. , do you think the first and second amendment—the Constitution itself, would be preserved? What do they care about George Washington? School children would be taught about Chinese dynasties. There’s more to being a “model citizen” than having a job and keeping a nice garden.

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      • scrap1ron says:

        After what the Chicoms have done to us economically, and their neighbors like Vietnam and North Korea. I’d see the commie bastards crushed like a grape. They don’t deserve to be a part of the 21st century human race.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Any time people face a SUDDEN loss of liberty, they will fight it. Thats why most instances of loss of liberty by the populace, were GRADUAL.

      There is also the group dynamic, which can be unpredictable. A populace can take restrictions in their liberty ‘quietly’ for years, (developing cold anger?) and then ONE instance, which objectively is no more significant, or even LESS significant, can set them off.

      They reach, collectively what my Dad called the “there is SOME SH*T up with which I will not put!” moment, or if you prefer, the “I’m MAD as HELL, and I’m NOT going to take it, ANYMORE!”

      Its not about LOGIC, and so asking “what do HK protesters hope to achieve?” misses the point.

      Detail about whether the CCP or the protesters are the ones renegging, eaqually pointless. They are having their liberty stripped from them, recognise it, and have decided they will not go quietly into that good night.

      Like the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and all those they represented they are saying “give me liberty, or give me death.

      However, I agree ‘we’ can feel sympathy, and express solidarity, but as our nations leader PDJT must and will keep his eyes on the whole board.

      Continue tariffs, raise NOT as some punishment for ‘human rights violations’ or ‘brutality’, but simply as part of ongoing trade ‘negotiations’.

      And sure, if China eliminates two systems one country, then apply any tariffs on China to HK. Long term, best thing for people of,H.K., Taiwan, N.K., China and the world is to bust the CCP.

      Anything that detracts from that, must be ignored.

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  10. Sharon says:

    Remember that the things that are happening now are NOT evidence of what is happening now: they are evidence of what has already happened.

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  11. Bill says:

    Nailed it, Sundance. This isn’t our issue, and it’s not one we can stop. China was going to get around to it eventually. Let the Uniparty piss an moan all they want. Trump will stay out of it.

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  12. Sharon says:

    The things that are happening now are NOT evidence of what is happening now: they are evidence of what has already happened.

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  13. FofBW says:

    Hong Kong is being assimilated into the Borg.

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  14. grlangworth says:

    I agree, Sundance. The U.S. has no business defending this former British asset. HK’s economy will tank severely as Beijing asserts itself. HK’s asset value to China will evaporate. China is foolish to destroy the independent enterprise that HK is.

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    • tb032004 says:

      GRL, like every communist/socialist countries they are just about to eat the goose that has been laying golden eggs for them. They will only realize this after it is over.

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    • Daniel says:

      I used to have a similar view about Israel. Since spending time here, I have come around to supporting Israel as I value preserving a free people.

      I agree without going to war with China, we cannot effectively change what China intends to do. But to write off a free society because we think it cannot be done? I’m accepting but not 100% down with it.

      I stand with Israel as a matter of principle. Likewise, I stand with other free people and really hate seeing it happen. I can’t simply write off all of those people who are bravely facing the loss of everything they value.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      From the Chinese view point they may not see it as killing a golden goose so much as a survival strategy. Now that the tariffs are beginning to seriously bite the normal Chinese subject is seeing their life style deteriorate while at the same time they see – first hand in many cases – how the people of Hong Kong live. Chinese dynasties have been overturned by popular uprisings before.

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      • grlangworth says:

        There are hundreds of billions of USD that escape China via Hong Kong. The money owned by the top 5% of the population of China will lose access to capital flight. The average Chinese will just lose his/her job, and be repopulated from the city back to their farm to work on their survival.

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  15. thedoc00 says:

    Great article SD. One aspect of Hong Kong is that the HK Stock Market is listed as independent from China Inc.’s Shang-Hi Market. It is the prime gateway for Western banks into China Inc. for the time being. So, China Inc. crashing that situation would cause much distress for allot of Western Banks but would be a major self inflicted economic wound as it would cut a major source of funding for China Inc.’s industries.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      But as China devalues their currency, loans made to China become expensive. China probably needs to take over those banks to resolve the currency issue. Money in HK banks become a very risky proposition.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        ANY investment in Hong Kong has become a very risky proposition since the Chinese backed out of the deal they negotiated last year.

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  16. tb032004 says:

    Watch closely everyone ….. this is what will happen when you openly disagree with your socialist master. I believe that what we are witnessing (sadly) is going to be Tianamen Sq. 2.0.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      This isn’t the first time something like this happened. I’m old enough to remember – and weep over – the Hungarian revolt and how it was so brutally put down by the USSR. No one lifted a hand then either. For the same good reasons why we shouldn’t lift a hand now.

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    • jebg46 says:

      You would think the demo-socialist.’s useful idiots would begin to realize that socialism is communism just like China. This is what happens in the end, death or re-education camps, complete loss of your freedoms.

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  17. sunnydaze says:

    I agree the U.S. has no business interfering with H.K.

    This matter was decided between the U.K., PRC and Hong Kong. The agreement was for H.K to remain quasi independent from PRC for 50 years (til 2046 or thereabouts?).

    But anyone with half a brain knew the PRC probably wouldn’t live up to their end of that bargain. Frankly, I’m surprised they haven’t had MASSIVE interference in H.K. for this long.

    PRC is doubling down on stupid here. Their economy is weakening, so what do they do? Drive the whole world and every smart and able native Hong Konger OUT of H.K. The last vestiges of what *could* have been an economic saving grace for them- a “freer” Hong Kong- and the Chinese decide to head right in there and destroy it wholesale.

    Doubling Down on Stupid: The Left in every country can’t seem to help themselves in that regard right now- exhibit A our own Dem Party).

    I’m gonna pray that the good people of Hong Kong WIN here. Eternal Optimist that I am, I have a lot of faith. Go. Hong Kong. Jiayou!!!!!

    These people are Really.Brave. Here’s some tactics:

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  18. Right to reply says:

    USA Security Services need their political power removed!

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  19. Keating Willcox says:

    agree 100%

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  20. CopperTop says:

    Always good to repeat my favorite Trump decision. One of earliest acts of President Trump was to nix the deal of China purchasing the Chicago Stock Exchange.

    Not a quibble.

    A flat No.

    That’s the assurance P 45 was ready for ALL that would happen in the news regarding ALL territories that are owned by China and their desire to use markets amid distractions with rockets.

    Best economic POTUS ever.

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  21. pyromancer76 says:

    Thanks, Sundance, for clear-headed reasonableness regarding the tragedy happening in Hong Kong. Terribly sad and moving for the people. Not our business except to compete on a level playing field (with some extra cautions) making this murderous Chinese behavior more costly for them. They kill/disappear/maim their brightest and best.

    But just read China’s history. Just with the communists — millions murdered and worse. That is the ending for all communists. Americans need to get every bit of Chinese communist influence that has hovered everywhere in our culture out. Out, damned spot.

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  22. thomas says:

    what your saying is generations of American leaders have allowed China to almost catch up to us technologically and militarily to the point where they can spread communism..That’s not good and idk the answer but Maybe it should be our issue, idk..? Do you think we will eventually go to war with China.? If it’s inevitable then maybe this is the time to take a stand, once again idk..

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    • Rhoda R says:

      I don’t think a hot war with China is in the books but there has definitely been an asymmetric war going on since Nixon and only now does America realize that we ARE at war. Chinese troops are already on our soil in the form of bought politicians, bought academics, bought companies, bought COC, bought infrastructure….

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  23. Paul B. says:

    Bravo. I don’t see how this works out any other way. HK ought to take its assets and as many of its people as possible and relocate – very soon.

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  24. An says:

    Ahh! I wondered why they were so eager to show HK protesters with Pepes and American flags. This, sadly, makes a lot of sense.

    I do wish there was something to do for them, but I have no idea what could be done at this point.

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    • sunnydaze says:

      Pray that they 1) overcome and the PRC gets destroyed. Seriously, that may sound silly, but I know that the Mainland right now has a LOT of discontent fomenting towards their Gov. And you ain’t seen nothin’ like the Chinese “peasants” when they decide they’ve finally had enough. Word on this revolt in H.K. will get around Mainland China. No way they’ll stop the word getting out, tho they will try like h*ll, of course.

      Or 2) If Hong Kongers can’t take HK back, pray they get the h*ll out of there to safer countries.

      I for one would be MORE than happy to have boatloads of these people immigrating to the U.S.

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  25. Great insight Sundance. This is where I come for news and analysis.

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  26. The UK made a grave mistake with regards to Hong Kong … but … they made it.

    Nevertheless, “I still remember T-Square.” I remember what I saw then, even though the Communist government moved quickly to quell it. I’m reminded that “Communism” in China is just a blip in the ancient history of that land, and that Communism completely lost control of the Soviet Union. How long are they going to be able to maintain control of China?

    “Communism” might be a cheap source of labor because it can completely control a large population, but there are deep flaws in that system. It failed the Soviets. It was abandoned.

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    • ristvan says:

      They made it with the Qing dynasty in 1897. At the end of the opium wars, Hong Kong Island and Kowloon were ceded to the UK in perpetuity, but the New Territories (90% of Hong Kong) was leased for 99 years. When the lease was up, China just took it back.

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      • … and UK did nothing to re-negotiate nor to stop them. That was the “grave mistake.”

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      • sunnydaze says:

        Respectfully, Ristvan, I’m pretty sure that it was the UK that decided to “hand it all over to PRC”. Even tho they didn’t have to.

        Reminds me a *lot* of the last 40 years of our trade policy with PRC. All China needs to do is “ask”, and the West handed them whatever they wanted, no questions.

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    • sarasotosfan says:

      The USSR was able to survive longer than it should have by absorbing satellite countries. They then ran out of expansion as those countries became welfare states. And then they entered into an arms race they could not win.

      We have extended the useful life of China’s communist system with our trade deficits. We are now addressing that. Meanwhile, China has embarked on their global “One Belt, One Road” initiative and that has been their expansion effort. Stay tuned to see whether it works or not.

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      • Judith says:

        I wonder who is leading EU’s “One World” New World Order initiative? It does have a familiar ring to it.

        John Lennon imagined the world as one big, happy family. That is, until this “peacenik” was murdered by some nut with other plans. Ain’t that always the way?

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  27. You can substitute Taiwan for Hong Kong as it will end the same way.

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  28. KPomeroy says:

    Am I right, Sundance, that this article is meant to inspire debate? I hope so, because I don’t get the logic of some of your points. You say, “President Trump has embraced Kim Jong-un … as a tactic to block China from weaponizing the DPRK as leverage during the U.S-China trade confrontation.” This seems too cynical, and cheapens Trump’s motives. Trump is neutralizing international conflicts all over the world simultaneously. It’s a holistic, synergistic process. The removal of each conflict makes subduing the next one easier. I think Trump has dealt respectfully with Kim Jong-Un mainly to reduce the North Korean nuclear threat. You ask why stop N. Korea’s nukes if not China’s? Answer: To keep the number of nuclear nations from growing.

    What bothers me is that so many are blaming Trump for Hong Kong, claiming the one alleged CIA diplomate at the Hong Kong consulate is proof of US instigation. How far fetched is this? Can one lady stir up this much trouble? What thinkst ye folks?

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    • Bill says:

      You must have missed all his posts about what’s really going on with Kim Jung Un and China. He’s their prisoner. He’s not in charge of NK.

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    • GB Bari says:

      What Bill said (wrote).

      Go to the CTH Search block near the image of the flickering candle (upper right side of the webpage) and search on “DPRK China”. Be prepared to do some reading as you should get a lot of articles in your results: Sundance has significantly and frequently covered this topic and the relationship of Kim Jong-un to China over the past few years.

      You might start with this one (make sure to click on any & all hyperlinks within the article because they link you to pertinent earlier CTH articles for more comprehensive background info):

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/24/second-time-president-trump-removes-dprk-panda-mask-to-expose-red-dragon-influence/

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    • Judith says:

      “Can one (alleged CIA diplomat) at the Hong Kong consulate stir up this much trouble?” Is there tea in China?

      Doesn’t mean anybody has to fall for it. Like they did, say, that fake Steele dossier and FISA application to justify their TREASONOUS coup!

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  29. Sentient says:

    The most deeply immoral thing that Americans can do – and have done – is to encourage dissidents in other countries with an implicit – though untrue – assurance that we will “have their back”. It’s like projecting a holographic safety net underneath somebody swinging on a trapeze. We did it with the Shia Marsh Arabs in Iraq – encouraging them to rise up against Saddam then standing by while he slaughtered them. We did it, in a way, with the Budapest Memorandum – a non-treaty that Ukraine mistakenly thinks is a defense pact with the United States.

    Thank you, Sundance, for calling out the CIA, Bolton and the R2P (responsibility to protect) crowd. They only thing they can do is make things worse. Thank God the president calls it as it is.

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  30. Risasi says:

    So basically it’s this kind of situation?

    Cleavon Little starring as Beijing and Hong Kong.

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  31. snellvillebob says:

    When the Chinese Army goes berzerk in Hong Kong, maybe those leaders in Europe will realize that installing Huawei’s equipment for 5G and communications is a very bad idea.

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    • Daniel says:

      They will not. Europe’s leadership is completely locked into their globalist communist agenda. I have become convinced of that as their daughters are raped and murdered by their Islamic guests, what cemented that home for me was a new story of exactly that: An EU legislator’s daughter was raped and then murdered. The ID’d the suspect and he was apparently unmoved by the event.

      I mourn the loss of Europe, but I consider it lost already.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Don’t count on it. There is some really deeply-ingrained ignorance and willful blindness underlying much of the hubris coming out of European leadership.

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  32. Mike in a Truck says:

    The Neocons/ Neoliberals (Bolshiviks) did not die with the election of PDJT. They are alive and well and will never cease attempting to embroil America in a never ending series of lost causes.Conquest,treasure,land, is secondary to the main event of killing,maiming,crippling the best of our breeding stock from each successive generation. Korea, Veet-Nam,Gulf Wars, on and on. Its a game to them. Deadly but still a game.Ive played it- We dont want to play anymore. Remember this when these politicians wrap themselves in the flag and want to send our kids to far away lands to die-for nothing.

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  33. UncleGrumpy says:

    Now the world will see what communist China really is. There will be no defending the position that China is a partner. The panda mask is gone, behold the bloody dragon.

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  34. Mikgen says:

    I agree with Sundances analysis; the mistakes were made (mainly by the UK FO) decades ago and it is neither the fault of nor the responsibility of the US. However, once President Trump has negated the instincts by the State Dpt, Congress and the intelligence community to get involved in the China/HK-conflict I see this event as another opportunity to add to the MAGA-policy. A Tienamen square (squared) event could lead to some kind of economic boycott of China (driven by Democrats in the US and other progs in the EU). This will of course play into the hands of those who are interested in re-industrialization of the US.

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  35. William Eaton says:

    I agree there is little we can do directly in relation to Hong Kong. However, If the CCP does do what I think they will do can we end the nonsense that any trade deal (no matter how good it looks on paper for us) is worth it with the CCP. In the 1930s it was not in our national interest to trade with Germany and Japan. In the Cold War it was not in our national interest to trade with the USSR. It is not wise to do serious trade deals with a potential military enemy and make this clear the CCP is a serious enemy. They will take inaction on their behavior in Hong Kong as a pass for more aggressive moves – perhaps Taiwan. The CCP will fund, if not already, leftist and globalist groups in America to bring this country low. Russian influence in our elections was a joke, but the CCP influence is not. It is real, very real. Trump has a perfect chance with the Hong Kong situation to make the case to the American people that hard tariffs are worth it, that the temporary freak out by wall street is better than letting the CCP turn us into a tributary state. Those who support the ending of tariffs are nothing more than slaves of the CCP. Now is the time to make that case politically.

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  36. desperatelyseekingmelania says:

    It’s hard to believe the MSM or the Uniparty would be taken seriously, or even be able to keep a straight face, while advocating for US intervention in mainland China.

    But they can’t advocate for putting economic pressure on China without agreeing with President Trump. Which in their world nowadays is akin to akin to an alliance with Mordor

    Which leaves the option I believe they will pursue: They will blame President Trump for causing instability in China, and therefore causing global instability, by pursuing his trade war. And there are enough Americans clueless about China, communism, and the world in general that some folks, at least on the left, will have no problem with seeing President Trump as the bad guy in the situation.

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    • Bill says:

      They will see him as the bad guy any way you slice it. So Trump doing the right thing by not intervening is the best possible path for all Americans. He knows this and will stand firm.

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      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        Sure the left will. It’s the swing voters in the Midwest and elsewhere who this will be geared for. China is going to do with HK what China wants to do with HK, that’s nothing to do with us. The only question is how it will be politicized on this side of the pond.

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  37. Vince says:

    The Chinese will absorb Hong Kong, but there is a price. The price will be all foreign investment in China. American businesses and others will rush back to the US now, because it could not be more clear foreign interests have no absolute rights.

    The higher costs here are the price of stability and property rights, but they will be willing to pay now.

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  38. JoeMeek says:

    The “Intelligence Community”/CIA has no more credibility than Joseph Goebbels, Tokyo Rose, Baghdad Bob or Joe Isuzu. Their record of seeing what is not there and missing what is right in front of their eyes is legend. Truman and Kennedy were both right when they, each in his own way, said the CIA was the enemy of the Republic.

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    • Baby El says:

      I take issue with your analysis, Joe… Joe Isuzu was head and shoulders above the IC/CIA and the rest.
      .. and FYI, David Liesure is still with us 🙂

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  39. Akindole says:

    “Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney will try to make it our issue..”
    LMAOwSNORT

    It has become that cliche’ (Zombie McCainesque), hasn’t it?

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  40. joan p calhoun says:

    wow

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  41. wwwrobotC says:

    Bravo. After Tiananmen massacre, US made a big mistake let Communist China join the WTO.

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  42. H.R. says:

    Sundance wrote:

    The CIA will try to make it our issue. The State Department will try to make it our issue. The UniParty in DC will try to make it our issue. John Bolton will try to make it our issue. Activists in Hong Kong will try to make it our issue. All of the far-left globalists will try to make it our issue…. Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney will try to make it our issue; but it’s not our issue.

    To those who sell war materials or lend money to finance wars or whose power and importance are increased by war, war is a profitable business. It helps if you aren’t bothered by the fact that many young soldiers with promising lives and many innocent civilians die in the process.

    For years, the war profiteers have played, “Let’s you and him fight.” Then they call up the U.S. World Cops to come in and break it up, throwing up roadblocks all the while to keep the fight going.

    As long as we have President Trump, the U.S. isn’t playing that game anymore.

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    • Judith says:

      I was in Arlington recently. There is nothing more heartbreaking than to witness the funeral procession of a young soldier killed in action.

      Warmongers like the Bushes and McCains must never, ever rear their ugly heads again. I think at least 70% of this country can agree on that.

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  43. Skidroe says:

    After China finish’s off HC and has to deal with Taiwan they will be so much weaker financially and militarily. When this happens no one in the world will deal with China.

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  44. Smack says:

    One of the problems all these analyses suffer from is that they forget that Hong Kong is not Tienanmen (Beijing) where the latter is/was dominated (especially in 1989) by ethnic Chinese loyal to China. It won’t be so easy for foreign governments to ignore a PRC crackdown in Hong Kong because today’s Hong Kong is home to hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals and is by and large dominated by a population loyal to Hong Kong first, China second. If China approaches this situation as a zero-sum game, it will be a bloodbath that, in the end, will devastate China’s export based (read heavily susceptible to sanctions) economy. It will also force Macau and Taiwan to consider their options in dealing with Beijing, along with other near East & Southeast Asian countries like South Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan, Cambodia, Indiana, Thailand, and Laos. All of which would likely begin treating China as a belligerent and, without the US Navy’s protection of shipping lanes, could impose a de facto trade embargo on Chinese exports.

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  45. Bigbadmike says:

    Agree. Does the same hold true for Taiwan?Just asking.

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  46. Nigella says:

    Was listening to the radio in the car and a fill in for Little Bennie Shapiro was lamenting how Trump is “blind” to the important things because he’s not blasting the Chinese… Yeah… a real winner that would be.

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  47. JoeMeek says:

    Fully agree with Sundance on substance, but would make a one word substitution.

    “The CIA will try to make it our issue fight. The State Department will try to make it our issue fight. The UniParty in DC will try to make it our issue fight. John Bolton will try to make it our issue fight. Activists in Hong Kong will try to make it our issue fight. All of the far-left globalists will try to make it our issue fight…. Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney will try to make it our issue fight; but it’s not our issue fight.”

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  48. Thankful for Americans Outside of DPRK says:

    Has anyone heard from A2. I appreciated his posts to give us ground level view of events in China/HK.

    Last post of his I recall him saying claims of PRC soldiers in HK were exaggerated.

    Just want to make sure he’s ok.

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  49. not2worryluv says:

    Hong Kong is not our problem.

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  50. not2worryluv says:

    Hong Kong is not our problem.

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