Mark Meadows: IG Horowitz Has Interviewed Kortan, Pientka and Three Others – Also Trump Has Never Read any Documents Related to Declassification…

Representative Mark Meadows and ¹Byron York had a podcast discussion yesterday that contains some interesting information. [Podcast Available Here]  Much like Byron York himself the hour long conversation targets the DC crustless triangle sandwich & white wine spritzer audience, where York is most comfortable.  That said, Meadows made some interesting comments that flew right over Yorks’ head.

♦ First, Representative Meadows discussed five witness interviews the House did not get to before they lost the majority.  Two of the five people were FBI Agent Joe Pientka, and former FBI Asst. Director for Public Relations Mike Kortan; the other three were unnamed.

Meadows stated Kortan and Pientka were interviewed by Inspector General Horowitz; which is slightly remarkable because: (1) Kortan quit the FBI February 8th, 2018; and (2) Kortan was unlikely to have been much use in the FISA angle of investigation…. Unless Horowitz is going deeper.  Regardless, let’s hope this interview with Kortan did take place.

FBI Asst. Director Kortan is important because he was in the middle of the conversations when media leaks were being strategically deployed to assist Strzok and Team.  Kortan was the guy responsible for leaking information to the media so the FBI could recapture those media reports as evidence in their investigation; ie. the circular investigative material.

Kortan was a close, very close, confidant of FBI Director James Comey.  Essentially Kortan was Comey’s personal PR man; and Comey spent a lot of time cultivating his image… so Kortan was a critical person for sanctimonious Comey and his personal brand image.

As noted:  “After Comey became director in September 2013, Kortan helped facilitate regular on-the-record briefings with beat reporters, a departure from previous directors.” (link)

The role and relationship between Comey and Kortan is what led to Kortan attacking HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes when congress became openly critical of James Comey and the evidence of corruption they were finding in early 2018.

You might remember this public statement from the FBI which was put out AFTER Devin Nunes wrote the January 2018 “Nunes memo” and requested assistance from the White House to declassify it.

This is from Kortan on Wednesday January 31st, 2018:

…”With regard to the House Intelligence Committee’s memorandum, the FBI was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it. As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.”…

[Link to Statement]

This official FBI statement was controversial at the time and was quoted extensively for weeks by Nunes’ detractors in the media and inside the DC beltway.  The statement was not approved by FBI Director Christopher Wray.

The statement showed how Mike Kortan had gone rogue against Nunes in defense of his close friend and fellow weasel James Comey.  Asst. Director Kortan was fired the following week.

♦ A second takeaway from the Meadows interview is how FBI Agent Joseph Pientka was never interviewed by the joint House judiciary and oversight committees (Goodlatte and Gowdy).   The reason was simple, Pientka was on Mueller’s special counsel team. Congress was not allowed to interfere in the Mueller probe.  In hindsight this again looks like Mueller & Rosenstein strategically using the investigation itself as a shield from sunlight.

According to Meadows, Inspector General Horowitz has interviewed Joe Pientka; which would make sense because much like Bruce Ohr, despite his obvious duplicitious character, Pientka is still working inside the FBI in some capacity.  Bottom line: if Pientka  wasn’t a corrupt part of the machinery he would never have participated.

♦ A third takeaway from the interview is the scale of documented contacts between DOJ official Bruce Ohr and Dossier launderer Christopher Steele.  According to Meadows there are “63 documented contacts” between Steele and Ohr after the election.

It is likely congressional investigators are including face-to-face, phone, email and texts in the “63 contact” tally.

♦ A fourth takeaway from the interview is a key point often debated and misunderstood by those following the scandal.  Representative Meadows went to specific lengths to tell Byron York that President Trump has never seen a single document that is currently on the list of documents being requested for declassification.

Many people who do not know how the executive branch works have falsely stated that President Trump knows what is in those declassification documents.  He doesn’t.  The Office of the Presidency is a system, not a person.  The system is designed to protect the occupant of the office.  It would be against the direct interests of the President to have full knowledge of the material inside the declassification requests.

The President is reliant upon the trust of advisers to inform him of the value – or lack thereof; along with the legal and political risks therein; without any specific conversation about the content.

In short, President Trump may declassify material as requested, but other than general briefings, he has no idea what material is inside or behind the redactions. Again, understanding this process helps to explain procedural delays, and frustration from those without familiarity with all the roles attached to the executive.

There are other issues discussed in the interview, but the remaining conversation surrounds material of a general nature and most CTH readers are already familiar with the story.  Listen to the INTERVIEW HERE.

[¹] it must be noted that Byron York (self-admittedly) has little to no knowledge of many important details.  York admits he doesn’t know the story of Papadopoulos; doesn’t know anything about the CIA involvement pre-Crossfire Hurricane; and has never immersed himself in the granular details of the issues now more than three years long.  This is a problem because if you listen to the podcast you discover York glosses over key and important aspects.
You might remember when the December 2017 Page/Strzok text messages were released a similar situation existed with Andrew McCarthy.  McCarthy wrote articles in defense of the DOJ and FBI for six months without ever reading the texts. Then, during the weekend, of Memorial Day 2018 McCarthy read the 600+ pages of texts for the first time.  Thereafter, his entire frame of reference flipped 180° and he began writing critically about ‘Spygate’.
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230 Responses to Mark Meadows: IG Horowitz Has Interviewed Kortan, Pientka and Three Others – Also Trump Has Never Read any Documents Related to Declassification…

  1. Sammy Hains says:

    Cross-posted from another discussion:

    President Trump now holds all the cards, and declassification is his trump card. He will play it at a time designed for maximum political impact during the 2020 campaign.

    The previous threats/attempts to declassify were likely a test of the system, to gauge how much institutional resistance he will face, what the obstacles would be, and how long it will take to break through them, because that must be taken into consideration when timing the process. Undoubtedly, entrenched Deep State elements will try to thwart declassification, or at least impede and slow walk it until after the election.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      I looked at President Trump’s declassification threat as taunting Mueller and his cabal of assassins. Realize if he had followed through, they would have gotten him on obstruction of an investigation and then the House would have had reason to impeach him. After two weeks of the investigation, Mueller realized there was no collision so he changed it to taunting President Trump into being impulsive and obstructing anything. They went after his family, friends, associates all to prompt him to do… anything.
      For the two weeks that President Trump threatened to declassify, The Mueller Mob must have had their hearts thumping in their throats, anticipating the taste of his blood. When he turned his cheek, they knew they just lost and began to look for an honorable way to end the investigation. One by one the rats deserted the sinking Mueller ship.

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      • Jake says:

        The President may not have “read” the documents but it’s highly unlikely that he hasn’t been briefed what specifically is in there and the implications of full disclosure. It’s the job of people who work for him to “know” what’s in those documents. It’s no different that intel coming in from all of his agencies and the military. He is briefed on important information regularly. He decides what to do with it, period…..

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        • mary-lou says:

          how objective, or in search of transparency and thruthfulness are his advisors? unfortunately we can safely assume there are many (hidden) agenda’s and other interests being pushed.

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          • Fringe Dweller says:

            Stephen Miller is the best example of a trustworthy advisor. You can bet he’s sitting in on any briefings and would know when another advisor is being duplicitous.

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      • Patsy says:

        Is it me or are 98% of FOX employees CLUELESS? Their incompetence is astounding. I happened to watch The 5 and listened to Jesse list FACTS on Spying and Dingbat Dana actually said “You really know a lot.” Judge Nap went to reeducation camp after he exposed the TRUTH of UK, AUS spying on Trump from overseas. He’s useless now. Add Kilmeade and now Ansley to the hand wringers. McCarthy was a Never Trumper and York has his head up his A$$. Maria is fearless and a great source for info.

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      • Ned Zeppelin says:

        “After two weeks of the investigation, Mueller realized there was no collision so he changed it to taunting President Trump into being impulsive and obstructing anything.”

        A commonly held belief which cannot possibly be true. Mueller’s trusted No. 1, Andy Weissman was in the DOJ in August 2016 when there is a record of him having been briefed on the phony “dossier.” There is no way Mueller was unaware of this – therefore Mueller knew the story was phony going in. Dig deeper into Mueller, he is a conspirator in the background, together with RR. They were and are intent on hiding something else. Mere partisan rancor does not explain the immense size and scope of Spygate.

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    • drocity says:

      Agreed. It also got a few other foreign “friends” to tip their hand a bit as well. So now he knows where some pressure points are regarding our “allies” too.

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    • Scott says:

      Does NOT Matter. Everyone thinks IG Horowitz report will clear the decks. Horowitz is Deep State, remember last report. NOTHING!!!!!!! Scum like Comey are laughing their arses off

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      • Curt says:

        You are so correct. These guys, Horowitz and Wray, will block any evidence of internal criminal activity. This, to protect their agencies and their jobs. Horowitz original report was full of half truths and obfuscation. A really weak piece of “investigation”. It would be nice if Barr would employ a cadre of investigators from outside of Washington DC.
        There are some great line level investigators in field offices throughout the country. The DC swamp can never be trusted.
        Just a little wishful thinking here…

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  2. k4jjj says:

    What the hell does the FBI need with a “Director of Public Relations?” The guy should be called “Director of Propaganda and Leaking.” This Kortan guy was the FBI’s “Baghdad Bob.”

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    • emet says:

      I believe he oversaw a department with 100-150 employees. Their job: Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative.

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      • livefreeordieguy says:

        The way the Senior FBI quislings have disgraced the agency and the country the past three years, it would take an army of ‘Baghdad Bob’ PR hacks to make a dent in reclaiming the once good name of the FBI… and the Intel Community in general.

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        • mopar2016 says:

          There’s no reclaiming the reputation of the once highly respected FBI.
          Those days are over forever. Even Efrem Zimbalist Jr. wouldn’t be able to convince anyone to trust them again. The FBI was one of my favorite TV shows, I watched it every week back in the 60s. Now they’re ruined.

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          • Zimbalistjunior says:

            Thanks for the name check.

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          • That’s probably why they launched the new FBI TV drama. It’s a good show but just hearing the word FBI and seeing it on the back of those jackets makes me want to swear.

            The only way to repair an image that tarnished is to shut up and do your job well and quietly for a long time.

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            • John-Y128 says:

              That is definitely Dir. Wray’s policy, we hear little from that placeholder.

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            • fractionalexponent says:

              That new FBI program is a propaganda outlet if you listen to their words. In one episode they mentioned needing info from one of their divisions called “Forfeiture”.

              Civil Asset Forfeiture is what police departments use to confiscate peoples’ property corruptly without due process.

              Jeff Sessions was in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

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            • Jederman says:

              “The only way to repair an image that tarnished is…” Is to come clean and openly punish the perps. Most red pilled people in this generation, unfortunately, will never view the FBI as legit until they do so. The standard they apply to us is the same they must live by.

              It’s unfortunate for the tax paying citizen that needs to believe that fed LE is about equal justice, and for the average joe fbi employee that wasn’t planning on working for a corrupt organization.

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      • sinnednosibor says:

        100 – 150 “Mary Poppins” law enforcement…. that image just boggles the mind

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        Knock, knock,

        “Good morning” “We’re with the FBI” “I realize it is 4 AM, but we are here to raid your home for no other reason but harassment and scare tactics”

        “Please excuse the CNN news crew, but they are part of our propaganda team”

        “Please step out into the street”
        “Can I get dressed?”
        “No”

        FBI Public Relations…….”Accentuate the Positive” “Eliminate the negative”

        Yeah……..right……

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        • RJ says:

          Director Wray gives me the “vibes” much like Paul Bremer did when he got off the plane in Baghdad…I noticed his “rep tie” and thought here is just another smart talking college boy who has many “contacts” yet in life a very limited vision.

          Put both of these clowns “on point” and see how long it takes before they shut up and learn how to “read signs” for survival. Frat parties have their place, yet when I see those smirks of superiority hidden behind a lawyer’s favorite set of words I know who it is I am watching.

          Wray has never impressed me, much like Bremer.

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        • fractionalexponent says:

          Well said, Gunny.

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        • Well, in your scenario the agents did say Please, so that could somehow be construed as positive, if you were a PR person, right?

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      • chiefillinicake says:

        And some still suggest that The Deep State isn’t real.

        Unreal!

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      • sucesfuloser says:

        1945 end of the war; The Pied Pipers. — Accentuate the Positive, eliminate the negative, and latch on to the affirmative, and don’t mess with mister in-between.

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    • Jan says:

      And don’t forget Christy Blassey Ford’s best friend, Monica McLean, an FBI lawyer, worked closely with Mike Kortan. McLean then went on to hire David Laufman to represent her during the Ford-Kavanaugh hearing.

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      • nimrodman says:

        “Friends. Beach friends …”

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      • RJ says:

        Just because the top echelon of the FBI appears to have been weaponized…oh gosh! And where did these people come from? Yea, the ranks of the FBI…meaning the rot may extend down into the roots of that once proud and “straight shooter” organization.

        Note how Kevin Costner and Harrelson play against the FBI in the recent movie on Bonnie & Clyde…”sissy in the plane” titled “The Highwaymen.”

        Only an ignorant fool would think the reputation of the Bureau is still intact!

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        • As a man thinkth says:

          These FBI ” HOME OFFICE agent/ lawyers” were recruited and groomed for business in the finest most respected “communist” Universities in the USA…This is why they do not know right from wrong…they join in the tribe process and just follow along like good little comrades…

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    • Dutchman says:

      All Dept’s have a PR Dept, to interact with the Press, as do any large companies.
      This guy was Comeys SPIN DR.; If you want to know what Comey was spinning, THIS would be the guy to talk to.

      And if ‘spinning’ is LIEING, this guy knows what Comey was LIEING about.
      The two of them may even have ‘spitballed’, discussing “How are,we gonna ‘spin’ this?”, discussing ALTERNATIVE NARRATIVES, so Kortan COULD be a gold mine.

      Even if he is loyal to his bud, Comey Kortan could be a valuable,…gieger counter or weather vane, pointing I.G. in the right direction.

      And, good to know SOMEBODY has interviewed Pientka, finally.

      Based on how McCabe was iïnterviewed, Pientka was Miranda’d, advised he could have a lawyer present, so his statements are admissable. He,was,TAPE RECORDED; no 302 crap here.

      I.G. Horowitz’s reports, with a different Principle (Barr) writing the,summaries and conclusions, and deciding WHAT gets put in the classified appendix, may read quite different.

      And, I.G. Horowitz was asked, by the POTUS, to review ALL these classified documents, requested by Congress, to be declassified and released.

      So, you have Legislature AND Chief Executive asking I.G. to review the material, and render an opinion as to releasing the info. Seems like the request from two of the three branches of Government, as well as the POTUS expressing urgency in his request, would give it SOME priority.

      I have been wondering; IF the I.G. detirmined there,was no threat to Natl. security posed by the release, rather than just SAYING that, the I.G. could release them, himself. Maybe make the ‘standard’redactions, legally required, privacy concerns, etc.

      The POTUS, could have ‘clean hands’ if that was the way it shook out.

      Just some thoughts.

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        When you are putting together a bed of lies, it’s almost impossible to keep the story straight when comparing two people’s testimonies.

        The truth never has this issue.

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      • RJ says:

        Don’t put too many eggs in your Horowitz basket.

        He was built up but when I saw his presentations I felt he soft-balled too many points…meaning he knows too many people who are in the cross-hairs of corruption/collusion regarding President Trump. As to Huber…well who has even seen him walking the halls? My hunch (from the get-go) is that everything will go directly to Mr. Smiley Face…Brennan!

        Barr may be our last shot at discovering the truths that still are hidden.

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        • Hutzpa says:

          Let’s not forget that Horowitz’s report was FIRST washed, rinsed and dried by then current rabble at the DOJ / FBI at that time. Sessions? Wray? Rosenstein et al
          Who will be in charge of that task now? BARR.

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    • Sherri Young says:

      J Edgar Hoover had a PR guy too. So did most of the Madoffs.

      “Image consultants” are not that uncommon.

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      • KeithBB says:

        But a staff/department of 100-150? Ridiculous. FBI and CIA are the worst threats to the American people on the planet.

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      • dwpender says:

        I wouldn’t mind any public figures hiring “image consultants,” “PR agents” or “communications professionals” at their OWN EXPENSE. The taxpayers should not be funding any such “assistance” for any government employees, whether politicians or bureaucrats.

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  3. Just like the Mueller Report, the President doesn’t need to read the documents which need to be declassified and he isn’t worried about any of it because he did nothing wrong.

    “You can’t cheat an honest man”

    W.C.Fields..,,

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    • jeff montanye says:

      innocence is no guarantee of non conviction. i’ve been before judges twice in my life, first guilty, then innocent. i was found innocent, then guilty. rough justice overall perhaps but hardly a confidence builder for the justice system.

      thankfully president trump is bringing more than legal lack of guilt to this street fight. and it isn’t what is usually understood as innocence.

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    • czecharthur says:

      Unfortunately I have seen many innocent people in jail in my lifetime, including a future president.

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    • ABN says:

      Wish that WC Fields quote would be retired. Innocent people are cheated all the time. Much of CTH is about innocent people. including the American public, being cheated.

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    • Will Hunt says:

      This is quite true and Giuliani said as much on Friday when asked about the “obstruction” investigation. Trump knew he was innocent. An innocent man is allowed to loudly, publicly and frequently proclaim his innocence. That’s NOT obstruction.

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  4. Fubu says:

    Sounds like it’s time to get started and test the waters.

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    • Byron York, Laura Ingraham’s buddy, is at the unreadable, “Never Trump” Washington Examiner. Breitbart, Newsmax and others are “Never Trump” as well. Interestingly enough, Trump is the center of the known universe. It’s all Trump, everywhere, all the time, 24/7, 365 days/year. So eat your hearts out Romney et al.

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      • KJinCton says:

        I’ve got to disagree about York being Never Trump. Lou Dobbs has him on from time to time and he seems to defend the President.

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        • gsonFIT says:

          I think Byron York is unbiased. He is reporting without personal opinion. Rare commodity these days. Take the time to listen to his interviews

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        • WSB says:

          Byron has been waking up. Someone should tweet the CTH link to him.

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        • COlibertybelle says:

          If he doesn’t bother to get up to speed on matters surrounding the Mueller Report (i.e. at least the texts that McCarthy finally got around to reading), then York shouldn’t be writing or reporting on the subject. “Seeming to” defend the President won’t cut it.

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        • faridrushdi says:

          I think I have to disagree with both York being Never Trump and York defending the President. He seems to – more than most – report what he sees. But I’ve seen him reel in wacky Never Trumpers with facts on TV far more often than he has tried to blame the President for something. He’s not a red meat kind of reporter.

          I tend to trust reporters who keep all the extra adjectives in their hip pocket. I get a little queasy when I watch Hannity and his friends on Fox over blow every story they report on. “Massive,” “bombshell,” “unbelievable,” “just breaking,” on and on they go. I think if you take out all of the overused adjectives Hannity throws out, add in the “trips down memory lane” and the “Opening Monologue,” there is probably 15 minutes of real news on his show. I love Tucker Carlson because he focuses on the news, not himself. Hannity is a narcissist. He spends the first 20 minutes of his show on his monologue, then invites guests on to tell him how great it was. I really think OAN or someone like them could in 2-3 years zip past Fox as the #1 conservative news site.

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        • Michael Todaro says:

          I didn’t say York is never Trump and don’t believe that to be so. I did say that Washington Examiner is never Trump.

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      • farrier105 says:

        York is suspicious about when the investigation began, particularly if the Mifsud contact with Papadopoulos is connected to Papadopoulos ( the “coffee boy”) being on the list of fake foreign policy advisors. I follow him on Twitter. I’ll give him a link to the Treehouse where Sundance describes the connection.

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    • Byron York, Laura Ingraham’s buddy, is at the unreadable, “Never Trump” Washington Examiner. Breitbart, Newsmax and others are “Never Trump” as well. Interestingly enough, Trump is the center of the known universe. It’s all Trump, everywhere, all the time, 24/7, 365 days/year. So eat your hearts out Romney et al.

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  5. treehouseron says:

    Perhaps Horowitz is doing more than we thought….

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    • Zorro says:

      We know from the prior IG report that Horowitz knew about how many agents were talking to outsiders and receiving gratuities. He knew about Strzok and Page talking to reporters. It would seem logical that he would be interviewing Kortan, supposedly, the point guy for PR.

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    • livefreeordieguy says:

      It may be so, treehouseron… He seems like an earnest and honest guy who wants to fulfill his remit as IG honorably. But it seems he has had to play with one hand tied behind his back in this process. His last report was clearly warped by others for political purposes. The executive summary was watered down and made milquetoast while the IG’s details were quite blunt and damaging. Horowitz may not have liked how the report was manipulated and may have learned a lesson.

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      • Amy2 says:

        Hope springs eternal!

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      • Dutchman says:

        How would YOU feel, if YOU were I.G. Horowitz, and you and your people put a LOT of work into a report, only to have that little snot Rosenstien turn it all around?

        I would be Royally P.O.’d!

        He MAY have been ‘stymied’ in his investigations, by the “can’t interfere with Mueller” b.s. but for sure he was stymied by Rosie.

        Rosie ‘watering down’ the I.G. report on agents violating policy by accepting bribes for leaks went no where.
        THAT may have been the assurance to the agents, or the pay off; I whitewash THIS report, and it goes no where. And you say/do nothing, as I whitewash THIS soft coup b.s.?

        Anyway, I know there,are those who are sceptical of Horowitz, but I see him as a hero.

        HOW many of SD’s posts, and our comments are about the “lovers texts”; page/stroxz?
        We wouldn’t know their NAMES, let alone the “insurance policy”, “theres no there, there”, “Obama wants to be kept up on what we,are doing”, and so much more, if I.G. Horowitz had simply taken “NO” for an answer, the first 3 times he asked about recovering their texts.

        TRY to remember that, BEFORE you post something negative about the I.G.

        We now know, the I.G.’s report will be another test/reflection of BARR, as the “Principle”.

        Sessions may not have known squat about I.G.’s, but Rosie sure did; he knew how to ‘hamstring’ the I.G.

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        • livefreeordieguy says:

          Huh? Are you responding to my post Dutchman? You took my post as saying “something negative about the IG”??? Really?

          What about this is negative?… “He seems like an earnest and honest guy who wants to fulfill his remit as IG honorably. But it seems he has had to play with one hand tied behind his back in this process. His last report was clearly warped by others for political purposes.”

          I am saying he is a good guy who is doing a good job and conducting serious, honest investigations, but the senior guys — Rosenstein in that case as you correctly point out — are crippling his efforts to do a good job.

          Nothing negative… No need for me to “TRY to remember” anything.

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      • SharonKinDC says:

        IIRC, that last exec summary by Horowitz was when McCabe was still around.

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      • mickjt says:

        If you will all dig back into the archives, Horowitz was stabbed in the back by Obummer…I have to think there’s a Pay Back Coming like a freight train!

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    • grlangworth says:

      The documents (and perhaps people) that Mr. Horowitz had access to was dramatically increased with the submission of the Mueller Rpt to the AG.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Perhaps, but Meadows reminded York in this interview that Horowitz cannot investigate people and/or actions outside of his area of responsibility so that excludes the CIA. and I think that came up because York and Meadows were discussing other agencies involvement in the setup and creation of the predicates for the spying / surveillance. Meadows then alluded to “other investigations” that might be covering what Horowitz could not.

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  6. jupitercomm says:

    “[¹] it must be noted that Byron York (self-admittedly) has little to no knowledge of many important details […] York glosses over key and important aspects.”

    I’d never heard of York’s Podcast – liked his reporting ok before that – until Matthew Dowd’s episode popped. Upside is, since he is a part of the DC ecosystem he gets guests who otherwise probably avoid publicity but feel comfortable opening up on his show since the audience is in the ballpark

    re McCarthy: I’ve always said, key is to “convert” the McCarrthy’s of the world b/c they know the system from inside that’s the only way the average person will ever hear someone explain how, say, the SDNY works or how Federal Prosecutors really view “cooperating witnesses” like Michael Cohen (McC admitted you always BS their moral side to the jury but deep down you know your witness is a rat lol)

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    • littleanniesfannie says:

      When I read that it sent a chill through my body. Thought York was an OK reporter but if he didn’t know the George Papa or Crossfire Hurricane stories, he’s either willfully ignorant or on the Deep State team. Would appear to be the latter. Should be a disappointment for Lou Dobbs. Lou is solidly MAGA.

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      • jupitercomm says:

        What I meant by “OK reporting” was: his articles were well-written & brief enough to absord some detail but not a ton, as SD pointed out. I NEVER said I thought he was Goddamn Upton Sinclair, lol. I meant he is good at what he does, not that he does brain surgery

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        • jupitercomm says:

          PS: Since you repeated it, it sunk in, viz “He didn’t know about George Papadopolous” & I reccently had some thoughts about him in line w/ our exchange

          I’ve been more interested in the ongoing coup story than any other in the Trump Admin or politics period since it started. But I was aware all along it would become far too complicated & detailed for a lot of ppl & thus things would simply fade

          PapaD was a story that faded, for sure. I have a strangely vivid memory of driving during a break at work & the CBS radio news alert, either that he was going to jail or was leaving aftrer only 2 weeks

          He recenlty said on Twitter – or, I may be wrong, it was Paul Sperry who reported: Mueller asked G PapaD to wear & wire but PapaD either refused or somehow it never happened. That would explain why there was no interest on the media or its “sources” part to make PapaD famous. He didn’t wear a wire! How can they do anything w/ a guy who won’t play ball for the cameras?

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          • Sherri Young says:

            PapaD has a book now. Should make for some interesting reading.

            He plans to run for Congress against Adam Schiff. Moved into that district specifically to take on that task. Good for PapaD.

            I follow him on Twitter to keep up with what he has to add. The bonus is to see a young guy who is so blatantly in love. He has been on fire on Twitter for a couple of days.

            For example:

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            • jupitercomm says:

              I’ve read it…. it raises Qs about the multiple origins of the “Russian Collusion COUP” (‘hoax’ is a terrible term, this was a COUP)….. like most things, it had quite a genealogy we may spend years hence tracing, discovering newer & newer “strains” of its DNA

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              • GB Bari says:

                All evil plots have a genesis in someone’s brain. Not two or more people simultaneously, but one single treacherous individual with malice aforethought. They can then bring more conspirators onboard providing those people are equally as biased against the target of the plot. And we know this to be true in this case.

                Was it Brennan? Was it Clinton? Or was it Obama? The anti-Trump hate was and remains strong in all three. And at least the first two are veterans of using smear tactics and character assassination as political weapons. I might add they’re both also veterans of using a darker kind of “elimination” to get rid of political enemies.

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                • westray hazzard says:

                  Collective “Group Think” by like minded idealist with a few people spit balling ideas could result in simultaneously birthing an idea.

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                • Sherri Young says:

                  Don’t leave out Andy McCabe. He is said to have a history of entrapping people. That might be one reason he was on an upward trajectory in the FBI under Mueller.

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                • Donzo says:

                  ClintonCo. created it, Brennan ran it and Ozero granted it.

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                • Lady Sid says:

                  Strobe Talbott could have had the idea — just cuz he’s the Russia guy and been with the Clintons forever, since the late 60s. He’s dabbled in spycraft and gotten called out on it, too. Read John McCain’s speeches in the US Senate violently against Talbott being nominated for Sec’y of State by President Clinton. Had a short poem about spying printed in the New Yorker mag back in 80s-early 90s (I used to subscribe and couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw it then. Sorry can’t remember date.) The other perps bought into the idea because if offered a plausible way to get Trump using his far-flung business contacts against him. Trouble is, none of these birds (Brennan, McCabe, Mueller) know anything about running an actual business. They’re a bunch of jacked-up bureaucrats, of which Washington is full of. John Kerrey. Greg Craig. Ivy Leaguers looking to marry rich women so they can then play the government game. It’s been going on for a very long time.

                  Even Comey, who was “corporate” atty at Boeing, was likely brought on to keep the company out of the crosshairs of federal regulators etc. Talbott’s smart enough to have planted the idea, but sneaky enough to avoid fallout. He does have a side door into the mess though with his former brother-in-law Cody Shearer running around with a second dossier.

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      • Dr.Jay says:

        No worries. So he is behind the curve, so what. That applies to many middle of the road reporters. More fun when they find out parts of the truth and have their own McCarthy moment ang W T F !!!

        What can be more dangerous than a woman scorned? Perhaps a reporter finding out he has been bullshitted…. 😉

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      • Will Hunt says:

        It strains credulity that York could be unaware of the George P/Hallpert/Mifsud issues.

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      • LULU says:

        Lou is solidly MAGA but the gaps in his “granular” knowledge are huge. He uses a teleprompter quite a lot – that’s where the rants are – and is not always up on what is really happening. His guests get shut off whenever they tread into territory where he is uninformed. It shows. We still watch him, but his lapses are noticeable.

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        • Donzo says:

          You have to spend several hours a day to be an expert on the details of Spygate in all its various aspects. These talking heads don’t have time to do that and be talking heads. They rely on their team to brief them. So their prepared statements are better then their back and forth with guests because those exchanges test the limits of their briefings.

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          • Donzo says:

            That is why Hannity, for example, repeats the same talking points. He and Dobbs ought to spend less time trying to portray themselves as sleuths and spend more time letting their guests talk. To their credit they have been persistent in getting this story out. That doesn’t make them experts and it is sad watching them portray themselves as such.

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    • Richard Whitney says:

      Wasn’t York’s father a talking head news guy in Birmingham? York always seemed to be a summer-stage guy who was in this political story, not someone who had an ideology he could articulate.

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    • j'accuse says:

      McCarthy knows a pile of hooey when he sees it and to his credit went against the grain of most of his shameful colleagues who stayed lockstep with the official narrative. One of most disgusting aspects of this story is the disgraceful commentary of the legal community who have backed the FBI to the hilt and been condescendingly dismissive of what actually happened. Many of them haven’t bothered to learn the facts but confidently opine anyway, some are shills who know the official narrative is BS but support it anyway for political reasons and some are lemmings and careerists who follow the pack. The academic legal community deserves special recognition as partisan hacks who have never hesitated to mislead the public if necessary to protect the anti-Trump, pro-Mueller storyline.
      McCarthy has my respect because he obviously cares about the damage rogue officials have done to the public’s respect for the criminal justice system.

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      • Donzo says:

        Some people chastise him for not being a member of Team Trump from the beginning and supporting the FBI’s integrity before he got religion. His conversion was that of a man whose faith in the institution was total and then utterly destroyed. You have to admire someone like that. Where are all the others? Next he has to expose the canard that the rot is only at the top.

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  7. Zorro says:

    I always maintained to the the “president has it all” people that he doesn’t have it all. How would he, who would give it to him? The corrupt DOJ/FBI controls access.

    While York has written some content that others in the MSM wouldn’t touch, you would think that as a full time journalist he would dig a little deeper.

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    • joebkonobi says:

      So, I wonder who in the WH staff has seen all the classified/unredacted info? WH counsel, National Security Advisor? Whoever they are they better have PDJT’s back or the AG better have his back. Still have my fingers crossed re: AG Barr.

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      • livefreeordieguy says:

        🤞🤞🤞 Yup. It’s all about Barr now, Joe… We KNOW if he does the right thing, this thing will blow sky high… If he does ‘just enough’ to give the appearance of cleaning up DoJ/FBI and other IC agencies while protecting his ‘fellow travelers’ and deep state brethren, we are screwed. If Barr simple does his job honorably, he will be the most consequential AG in the history of the United States of America.

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        • Glenna McCormack says:

          Let freedom reign and show us justice. Not good keeping America in limbo while we wait.

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          • Donzo says:

            If he covers it up then he took the job for that purpose. Why would he do that? Certainly not for his reputation which intact and untainted unlike his former associates. A payoff? Hard to believe he would do that. But then again never underestimate the capacity for the DC crowd to disappointment.

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        • Frankly Ben says:

          Our hopes have been crushed so often it’s hard to return to that well for another sip but Barr has, so far, said all the right things. But you raise a very intriguing point. Barr had already served as AG. His reputation has been well-established. What would motivate him to jump into this ultimate hornets’ nest?

          If his purpose is to minimize damage to the Justice Department/FBI he certainly has gotten off on the wrong foot. The dims are now furious with him for acknowledging spying against the administration.

          The more likely motivation that explains his decision to take on this coup attempt is outrage at the destructive maliciousness of the conspirators and a deep patriotism deeply offended.

          Mr. Barr is rather portly. I wonder about his physical health. The strain of this undertaking will be enormous. We can only hope he can hold up through what’s ahead for as angry as the dims are now it ain’t nothin’ compared to what’s ahead as indictments start flowing and heads start rolling.

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      • fractionalexponent says:

        Wasn’t it Cohen-Watnick that brought bloodhound Nunes to the White House SCIF to sniff out the corruption? Sessions brought Watnick to DOJ. Is he still there?

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        • Ganesh says:

          Ezra is still at DOJ. He was a compatriot of Flynn, and supported by Kushner. Pres. Trump intervened when McMaster tried to fire him originally and I believe PT got him the job at DOJ.

          Note whenever his name comes up. Usually linked to something interesting. And more importantly, when it does not come up. Perhaps he is talking to Kushner and thus to PT directly.

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    • LULU says:

      Zorro, what you said in that last paragraph is what I believe as well. York is a cut above the MSM. We should realize he reports on more than Trump, so unlike those of us who are totally focused on Trump, York has to deal in more general terms.

      The footnote on Andrew McCarthy was very interesting to me because I thought he was disgustingly ignorant for someone so highly touted and so obviously fond of himself. He did do a turnaround after his intensive reading session, but still tends to be more superciliously aloof than I care for. Still has one big foot at National Review.

      With so many “reporters” we have to do wheat and chaff. They are not pundits. We often know more on a particular subject than they do. They were headline people.

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  8. Sundance…….good that you refreshed the subject about PDT and what he has or has not read and the way the Executive Branch works. Good advisors are worth their weight in gold. They will make sure the President is not out of any critical loops.

    Everywhere I read in comment sections there are many who say PDT has seen and read it all. Really? For starters, without implicit, actual-factual inside knowledge or from other sources who actually know, there’s no way for anybody to know. Personally, I never assumed he read any of it. Good for MM to clear that up.

    And Byron York is in over his head. But good for the format anyway to give voice to the more informed in the room.

    Great weekend and best to all here in the Treehouse!

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    • jbowen82 says:

      Yeah, but . . . you can tell from what he treats time to time that he is reading websites like CTH. So while he may or may not have seen the primary sources, he seems to have a lot of familiarity with the outlines of what’s happening, and he’s using it to direct the chess pieces.

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      • Absolutely agreed.

        Any good pursuit of reliable info seeks out many sources. And I bet PDT has communication people scouring the best sites and keeping tabs on this one. I would not doubt that SD purposely writes things keeping this in mind. I sure would.

        Have to admit, some of his announcements are too timely per some of SD’s postings to be merely coincidental. But hey that works for us and our nation just fine.

        I’m a chess player, so love thinking about all this from beginning to middle game and end game. We’re passed the beginning game and are now in the deep of the middle game. End game is a ways off.

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  9. GB Bari says:

    I honestly tried to listen to the whole show but after about 17 minutes I could no longer bear to listen to Meadows struggling to answer York’s (IMHO) inexcusable level of ignorance, while simultaneously struggling to conceal details and specifics with which regular Treepers here at CTH are already quite familiar. It was like being in a Wayback Machine returning to about April of 2018.

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    • livefreeordieguy says:

      I’m with you, GB… York has been on the right side of things, but his lack of depth is really astonishing. You could randomly pick any ten posters on the CTH and be sure they would know substantially more detail about this whole saga than York appears to grasp.

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      • Dekester says:

        Ain’t that the truth. There are three of us up here in Canada, that know more than 99% of the “ elite media types”

        And we owe it all to Sundance and you intelligent contributors to TCTH.

        Cheers, and God bless PDJT

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        • Dekester:

          “There are three of us up here in Canada, that know more than 99% of the “elite media types.”

          Made me laugh, but so true. Heck, let me correct that figure just a little if you don’t mind. 99.99%

          There. I feel better now. Don’t you? 🤣

          Btw, despite JT, I love Canada. Have built a lot of real estate files for friends from NS to BC. The Vancouver and Victoria area is on my fav places on the planet. Gotta have big money for Vancouver as it is nearly on par with London and New York re pricing. Vancouver downtown lights up like a fireworks show at night.

          Peace and a great weekend up there!

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          • Correction…”one of my…”

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          • Cam Heck says:

            BC treeper here, Vancouver prices have collapsed, actually! Now’s your chance!

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            • I do mostly very high end stuff, mega-million dollar estates. Those haven’t collapsed as much, at least what I view on Sotheby’s, Bershire H, Christies and some other brokers. The people with money are going to buy no matter what unless there’s another global financial collapse.

              There were some pretty good deals during the housing bust after the 2008 collapse. Heck, the famous Evermay Estate in WDC dropped from 50M to 25M in a matter of a year during that collapse. That was one of the best periods to buy mega-estates ever.

              What is astounding is some of the properties in Vancouver with a minimal house, what they call a tear down, have typically gone for 5-10+M because of the location of the lot, especially in West Vancouver and up on the hillsides.

              It’s been a couple months since I’ve scoured the Vancouver market. Been more over in Montreal, Toronto and Quebec. Toronto is another mega-estate area, especially the neighborhood they call The Bridle Path. Awesome estates there.

              Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I’ll have to go and revisit that market and see what is happening there. I do love that area. There was a PH in downtown Vancouver about 6-7 years ago that came up for sale. 33rd floor. My goodness, the Vancouver night skyline from that vantage point was awesome. One of the other most beautiful views is looking down on Lion’s Gate Bridge at night from higher up on the hillside. Beautiful.

              Shalom and good luck with the whole Trudeau thing. I know you are all going through it up there to. We’re with you as you are with us.

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            • Maquis says:

              China Trade Reset already bearing fruit!

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        • livefreeordieguy says:

          I want to amend my comment, Dekester… You could randomly pick any ten CANADIAN posters on the CTH and they would know substantially more detail about this whole saga than York appears to grasp! God Bless Our Canadian Treepers!

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    • sundance says:

      Yep. That was exactly my takeaway, and I forced myself to stay with it all the way through… I find it frustrating to listen to an interviewer who has only a cursory understanding of the issues after such a long time.

      Your point about feeling like it was an interview in April of 2018 is succinct and excellent. That’s a great way to put it.

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    • Gotta love that Wayback Machine.

      The thought of being on a national platform of any kind and being a whole year’s news cycle behind is rather embarrassing.

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      • LULU says:

        Unless you were a regular at CTH who read the entire articles and followed the links, you might not realize that you were a whole year’s news cycle behind. Might not know what you don’t know.

        We are spoiled. While we sit here at our keyboards, Sundance has spoonfed us enormous amounts of very detailed information… If we consumed all of it, we are better educated than most who are dealing directly with this complex mess….

        /S/ A native Californian who couldn’t get along without CTH and Sundance

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        • Agreed.

          I’ve been deep into this long years, even decades before engaging TCTH.

          I go way back decades ago, long before my present involvement in the great conversation of TCTH…….of my past engaging the old Soviet Bloc nations, so being very aware of the socialistic, marxist thrust of it all. You might find my Christmas post here on CTH about some painful time spent in the Soviet Union in the 70’s quite intriguing. If you would like to read about that, go to CTH prayer request page 10 thread.

          I was having trouble with WordPress, but Ad Rem was so gracious and helpful to post that for me. Not to mention an awesome video of a National Christmas in St. Petersburg, Russia. Believe me, it will move you. It’s quite beautiful.

          Thank you so much for your input and comment.

          Gid speed and bless you and yours!

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  10. LBB says:

    In reading Baker’s testimony, Pientka would of done Ohr’s 302’s when he came back with his contacts with Steele. So does Pientka write exactly what Ohr says? Yes , if by the book. If part of cabal he would tweak as needed?

    Also want to hear more about Carl Ghattas who Baker indicates in attendance on some of the high FBI level talks regarding SC before and after Comey’s firing. Grassely tried to get a scheduled interview , but it was denied by DOJ. Comey promoted Ghattas , then he left abruptly a year after Comey was fired.

    Pundit story that McCabe & Ghattas are best friends, and roomed together @ Duke.

    “Ghtattas, a shrewd operator inside the FBI who managed to keep his name away from negative news stories, is best friends with fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. Both reportedly attended Duke University during undergrad and went on to law school. McCabe and Ghattas reportedly roomed together at Duke, where McCabe also met his wife, Dr. Jill McCabe.

    McCabe often sported a flashy Porsche, zipping in and out of the FBI parking garage under headquarters off Pennsylvania Ave in D.C. Then Ghattas also did the same, purchasing his own Porsche reportedly and driving it to work. Many agents fumed at the optics of the FBI’s top brass cruising around the beltway in Porches, but that didn’t seem to stop the duo and then-Director James Comey was oblivious to the optics — a pattern all now see during Comey’s tenure.”

    https://truepundit.com/fbis-national-security-branch-chief-abruptly-quits-assistant-director-ghattas-described-as-mccabes-right-hand-man/

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  11. bofh says:

    ” it must be noted that Byron York (self-admittedly) has little to no knowledge of many important details. York admits he doesn’t know the story of Papadopoulos; doesn’t know anything about the CIA involvement pre-Crossfire Hurricane; and has never immersed himself in the granular details of the issues now more than three years long.”

    It’s not like he’s just some guy who’s sort of interested in politics – it’s his job. If he doesn’t, by now, know these things (or apparently show any interest in learning these things) one must conclude that he willfully does not want to know these things. Which smells a lot like a swamp-toadie trying to preserve some sort of plausible deniability.

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    • Angel Martin says:

      I believe Byron York invented the “strange new respect” categories for alleged conservatives who “went Washington” and transitioned to full-fledged DC Swamp Men.

      I guess he has been in DC long enough that he can write those stories in the first person.

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    • Maquis says:

      In some sub-groups, ignorance equals street-cred.

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    • Sherri Young says:

      It also might be that Byron York intentionally appears vague on the facts and intricacies of the matters at hand as a method to draw information from his interviewees.

      When I took an interviewing class decades ago, we had to interview classmates. We used a stopwatch to determine what percentage of the time the interviewer was speaking. IIRC, one of the goals was for the interviewer to talk no more than 20% of the time. Interviewers are supposed to busy themselves learning from or about the interviewees.

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  12. MightyMustardSeed says:

    Zorro

    The Conservative Treehouse has a greater grasp of the players and plots than York.
    Sidney Powell and others find Sundance a valuable source.

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    • Donzo says:

      I don’t think SD has ever claimed to be a source. He’s more of a sleuth whose efforts at putting 2+2 together is at the advanced Calculus level. But I don’t doubt that he has some very excellent sources, probably inside.

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  13. California Joe says:

    You would think it’s Byron York’s business, as a political reporter, to know the granular details of the biggest political scandal of his lifetime and perhaps the biggest political scandal in American history. No?.

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  14. littleanniesfannie says:

    To show the indifference and ignorance of some in Congress, Congressman Lieu took part of a Candace Owens interview and tried to paint her as a white nationalist, when she said she was insulted at how some people thought blacks were too stupid to listen to the whole 2 hour interview when Nadler gaveled her down and chided her for being disrespectful by using derogatory descriptions for a congressman. Candace schooled the “allegedly” intelligent Nadler. Evidently English is not always Nadler’s primary language.
    Maybe York is equally adept at listening and investigating. Cross him off the list until he gets it together!

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    • BestBets says:

      Some people might not have noticed, but Nadler had an open copy of the Washington Post at his lectern (?) and was not really listening to Candace. He was reading the newspaper. He heard the word “stupid” and assumed she was name-calling. Clearly he had absolutely no interest in anything she had to say.

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    • jimboct says:

      Nadler heard what he wanted to hear. He wanted to throw Owens off her train of thought. Alas, Ms Owens is smarter than that. Lieu is an idiot. So is Nadler.

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    • livefreeordieguy says:

      Not to get too far afield, littleanniesfannie, but did you see when that disgraceful hack Nadler chided Candace for calling a representative ‘stupid’ and she (correctly) said that she didn’t say that, and clarified that she said that democrats think blacks are stupid, and went on to call out Nadler for not listening to a word she said and gaveling her down for something she didn’t do?… It was beautiful!… And what does Nadler do? He gives a weak, limp shrug of the shoulders as if to say: “yeah little girl, I didn’t hear a word you said and blasted you inappropriately for something you didn’t say… but whatever… I’m elite and you’re nothing.”…

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      • spoogels says:

        He reminds me of that Fred Flintstone guy
        Thick and a brick and wider too
        Theres something very wrong with a man who is a compulsive eater. I can understand women with emotional issues but a man????

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        • meow4me2 says:

          Psst, Spoogels, I would imagine men who overeat could have emotional issues, too. 😉

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          • LULU says:

            I thought the same about Nadler when I read the story on how he could not bring himself to diet and exercise his weight off and opted for a form of bariatric surgery. Surgical stomach shrinkage. Pathetic.

            He is only about 5’3 or so. And homely as a mud fence. Undoubtedly bullied and/or shunned in school (he’d never have a Melania), he is getting back at all those big guys…

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  15. Zimbalistjunior says:

    I don’t mind York’s ignorance as much as I minded mccarthys. He’s not an expert in the field; he’s just a journalist and I have actually been pleased with his work so far. It seems like He has some good sources. I also like that he doesn’t profess more knowledge than he has.

    Unfortunately, there are very few (if any) journalists with the insight and grasp of details of SD. Lee Smith is good. Kim Strassel. Etc.

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    • warrprin1 says:

      👍 Kim Strassel 👍

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    • Jan says:

      Actually, McCarthy isn’t a journalist. He’s a former U.S. Attorney, well thought of for his aggressive work on terrorism. He writes op-eds for the National Review. He is a never-Trumper but occasionally sides with the President because of what his DOJ has done to the rule of law.

      But make no mistake, McCarthy used the same tactics Mueller used/uses to get witnesses to flip on a suspect. They all do. It’s why you should never talk to the FBI, DOJ, DA, police or anyone in law enforcement without your attorney.

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    • livefreeordieguy says:

      I stand by McCarthy… I readily admit that he goes too far to give the benefit of the doubt to his fellow travelers and former colleagues… But if you listen between the lines — and sometimes you don’t have to listen too hard at all — he knows exactly what happened here and wants heads to roll. I agree with Sundance that he had an inflection point ‘moment of truth’ on this. Since then, he has been pretty hard on these hacks because he knows he is ‘one of them’ and doesn’t want to be accepting of any of the seditious acts he knows they have perpetrated on the president and the country.

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  16. coltlending says:

    As some one in York’s position, how did he not make it his business to be at least as informed on this matter as me, one who is probably close to last in his class at Sundance University?

    I suppose the answer is, he didn’t want to.

    That’s surprising because most the Journalism majors I knew at the university I attended (UofO Eugene,OR) fancied themselves in the know and had an opinion on everything, especially President Ronald Regan.

    I really wish Sundance would be interviewed along with some of these guys, using the proper cloaking like transforming his voice in to sounding like the great OZ and such to protect his identity, location, etc.

    What an interview that would be!

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    • jupitercomm says:

      “As some one in York’s position, how did he not make it his business to be at least as informed on this matter as me, one who is probably close to last in his class at Sundance University?”

      Good Q but I think the answers are not exciting. This stuff is just the air he breathes, he doesn’t notice it. which may mean he’s a “legacy elite”, born into a family that has held onto enough money & connections that he never thougth about not being part of this particular ecosystem. He could be a total frat boy type who just coasts IDK but like I said above, the goiod thing is his podcast gets ppl who will talk openly about DC. York’s just a windowpane in that case

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      • Dutchman says:

        Maybe his parents bought him a degree in Journalism he NEVER could have earned, on his own?
        I think I read somewhere, recently that that hapoens sometimes,…but I am not that well informed,…

        That is to say, maybe York just isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack, sharoest knife in the drawer,..you know what I mean?

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  17. boomerbeth says:

    Then & NOW – FLASHBACK 1999: An Eye For an Eye
    Begin @6:30 but the entire interview is Important.

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  18. Blue Wildflower says:

    Thank you, Sundance!

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  19. jbowen82 says:

    Just throwing this out there . . . Carlin, who hasn’t been heard from at all, is now plugging a book on cybercrime. He appeared at the Federalist Society, of all places. I know we consider him to be a black hat, but (not to go all Stealth Jeff on us, but) what if he resigned out of disgust and has been cooperating with the white hats the whole time? Maybe he had a hard time figuring out who he could actually trust? It just seems very odd that he has not been in the crosshairs of our side — almost as if they’re trying to keep him under wraps.

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  20. John Wayne says:

    Time to GET Elijah Cummings for the IRS Scandal – -He was at the TOP of this – -The democrats have accomplished ZERO, in regards to work on the matters for the people, all their time is spent in closed door meetings trying to find a way to crash this country’s Executive Branch, with not care for what all this means to the citizens. I didn’t pay thousands of dollars, in taxes, so that these House democrats could play stupid, un- required games. This constant BS is getting to where people are starting o think the US House of Representative is a soap box unending show. The voters of this country screwed up making all these democrats their representative when all they do is push party politics!
    Why hasn’t any Democrat been held liable for their misdeeds while in office. Starting right at the top and working your way down. Obama’s minions were all crooked and committed crimes against the US that should have been prosecuted and don’t forget Hillary. Not to mention the crooked FBI echelon Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe, Strok. No other president has had to put up with what this president has been subjected to. He puts the country first and the rest of them have tried to impeach him since the day he was elected. He will be reelected in 2020. The country needs his no nonsense approach to the problems facing us today. Our border needs to be protected, ICE and border patrol need the funds to do their work. BUILD THE WALL.

    While we are talking ‘Walls” – – -The walls are closing in on Barack Obama. NOTE: This is very, very IMPORTANT – – – President [Obama’s] own EO 13526 will bury both Hillary and Obama and quite a few members of the Obama administration . . .Then; The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act fits the Clinton Foundation’s illegal acts like a glove– better than RICO, and far less cumbersome.
    His cover up of the worst scandal in American political history just collapsed. Barack Obama’s world was turned upside down when these criminal allegations surfaced.The real scandal in Washington is “Russiagate” How the Obama administration and the FBI used fake news, manipulated intelligence, and made illegal leaks of classified information to try and frame Donald Trump for colluding with Russia.This was done during the Presidential election to try and swing the contest in Hillary Clinton’s favor.When that failed, the conspiracy continued as an attempt to stage a coup and overthrow President Trump. Now the American people may see these perpetrators held accountable.
    WE The Legal Voting American Citizens WANT ALL the Democrats HELD responsible for their criminal actions – –

    California Congressman Devin Nunes appeared on Maria Bartiromo’s “Sunday Futures” Fox News show and announced he was making eight criminal referrals to the Department of Justice. Nunes did not name the individuals he believes committed these crimes against Trump and the American people, but he did reveal the nature of their crimes—which allowed Americans to narrow down who in the Obama administration and FBI could end up facing the music. “We believe there is a conspiracy to lie to the FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] court, mislead the FISA court, by numerous individuals that all need to be investigated and looked at,” Nunes told Bartiromo.

    “The second conspiracy one is involving manipulation of intelligence,” Nunes added. “We’ve had a lot of concerns with the way intelligence was used.”The top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee also dropped hints that the illegal leaks were even more widespread than anyone thought and that he would seek to punish the leaker’s for their crimes.“There are about a dozen highly sensitive, classified information leaks that were given to only a few reporters over the last two and a half plus years,” Nunes declared. “We do believe that we’ve got pretty good information and a pretty good idea of who could be behind these leaks.”

    Once these bad actors are charged, the next step will be trying to determine what role Barack Obama played in the un-American conspiracy launched against Donald Trump. Hopefully, This could be a turning point in Donald Trump’s war with the Deep State. Up until now, President Donald J. Trump and his supporters fumed that the Department of Justice had jailed Trump associates for even the most minor of process crimes, meanwhile, criminal leaker’s who committed serious felonies and jeopardized national security went unpunished—which was because former Attorney General Jeff Sessions fell captive to the Deep State as they took advantage of his weakness.

    But now with new Attorney General William Barr in place, there is some hope among Trump supporters that the criminals in the Obama administration and FBI / DOJ will be brought to justice. Someone brought up the fact that Sessions didn’t know how to use the last IG report but Barr knows how to work with Horowitz & how to use the report so hopefully we will see better results this time. Not better results from Horowitz but better use of his findings. Horowitz seems like an earnest and honest guy who wants to fulfill his remit as IG honorably. But it seems he has had to play with one hand tied behind his back in this process. His last report was clearly warped by others for political purposes. The executive summary was watered down and made milquetoast while the IG’s details were quite blunt and damaging. Horowitz may not have liked how the report was manipulated and may have learned a lesson.

    In reading Baker’s testimony, Pientka would of done Ohr’s 302’s when he came back with his contacts with Steele. So does Pientka write exactly what Ohr says? Yes , if by the book. If part of cabal he would tweak as needed?

    Also want to hear more about Carl Ghattas who Baker indicates in attendance on some of the high FBI level talks regarding SC before and after Comey’s firing. Grassely tried to get a scheduled interview , but it was denied by DOJ. Comey promoted Ghattas , then he left abruptly a year after Comey was fired.

    Pundit story that McCabe & Ghattas are best friends, and roomed together @ Duke.

    “Ghtattas, a shrewd operator inside the FBI who managed to keep his name away from negative news stories, is best friends with fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. Both reportedly attended Duke University during undergrad and went on to law school. McCabe and Ghattas reportedly roomed together at Duke, where McCabe also met his wife, Dr. Jill McCabe.

    McCabe often sported a flashy Porsche, zipping in and out of the FBI parking garage under headquarters off Pennsylvania Ave in D.C. Then Ghattas also did the same, purchasing his own Porsche reportedly and driving it to work. Many agents fumed at the optics of the FBI’s top brass cruising around the beltway in Porches, but that didn’t seem to stop the duo and then-Director James Comey was oblivious to the optics — a pattern all now see during Comey’s tenure.”

    https://truepundit.com/fbis-national-security-branch-chief-abruptly-quits-assistant-director-ghattas-described-as-mccabes-right-hand-man/

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    • Dutchman says:

      John Wayne;
      Wow, wrote a book there, didn’t ya?
      On the Nunes referals, the minority staff had been working on them for 2 1/2 years, according to Nunes, and were waiting for an A.G.
      Seeing how NOTHING happened with the I.G. referal on McCabe, easy to see why he wasn’t gonna send these referals to Rosie.

      Now, my point is, a day or two BEFORE the referals went out, he was saying “12-24 individuals” were POTENTIALLY involved. And so yes, its 8 referals, 3 of one type, five of another.

      But they involve CONSPIRACY, and its impossible to conspire with yourself, therefore any referal on conspiracy involves MULTIPLE individuals, its inherent in the charge.

      Just conspiracy on FISA apps, could involve 2 dozen people. Hell, if Comey worked with Kortan, to get the story of the dossier in print, so they could USE the reporting in the FISA report, you have a PR guy, involved. Thats just as an example.

      Anyway, my point is one day, as they are dotting i’s and crossing t’s, Nunes says referals for 12 to as many as 24 individuals, days later sends sealed referals for 8 ‘counts’, but that doesn’t MEAN 8 individuals.

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      • Maquis says:

        Ooooh, I like that thought. 😈

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      • strateshooter says:

        true.If you think about the effort involved to stop President Trump it involved at a minimum 500 people and maybe even low thousands in the DNCClinton Foundation/CIA/FBI/DOJ/MSM/FISC judges + Obama Admin + computer support (Clinton crew, GOOG, Crowdstrike).
        THIS WAS A MASSIVE D-DAY TYPE EFFORT TO STOP TRUMP.

        And unfortunately this is why I do not believe Barr will go very far.
        He is swamp by history and once he starts unravelling the threads here the massive corruption at the heart of Americas ruling class will be exposed and he will tell himself that the Nation will not be able to handle it.

        so…for good of country …all this disgusting corruption will be buried.

        Only Trump has the personal courage to take the hit and drain the swamp but he is successfully hampered from doing so. He does not have enough support in DC …because the whole of DC relies on the swamp for its living.

        This is best described in a great mem I saw ( should be a2020 ad…Trump has a placard saying DRAIN THE SWAMP….Nancy has a placard saying SAVE THE WETLANDS. 🙂

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        • Sherri Young says:

          AG Barr does not have to worry about his career. He does not have to worry about his pension. He does not have to worry about his kids being bullied at school. He is a bright man and had to have known generally that there were big problems in the DOJ/FBI that were waiting for him to sort out and deal with.

          His and his wife’s social lives would be at risk. That, and maybe getting assassinated.

          I do not expect to be let down badly.

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  21. AnotherView says:

    So why has Trump mentioned several times he’s going declass docs, then backwalked. And now we find out he’s never even seen any of the docs up for declass. Quite disingenuous and disappointing.

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    • Maquis says:

      Are you even trying to keep up?

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    • The Boss says:

      Deep concern noted. (sarc)
      How appropriate given one of the discussion topics here is a reporter without a basic depth of understanding of the background of the story upon which he’s interviewing a guest and commenting.

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    • Dutchman says:

      A.V.
      Guessing your new here, to be asking why PDJT’s on again off again on declass.

      To you, and anyone who also wonders, on the,HOME PAGE, you can read the archives, or use the search tool.

      And, on every Sundance story or posting, at the end of his post, and before you get to the comments section, there will be several links to previous Sundance postings, directly related to the post, so you can do a ‘deep dive’, and learn more.

      Basically, if PDJT had ‘released the kraken’, as its known around here, they would have used that act as grounds for “obstruction” of the Mueller investigation, and grounds for impeachment.

      Now that the Mueller investigation is complete, PDJT has said he WILL release it, at a time closer to 2020.

      Again, there is more to it than that, and I encourage anyone who has such questions, to do a deep dive, or many.

      There is a lot to this story, complexity and detail, hard to keep it all straight.

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    • livefreeordieguy says:

      That is “President Trump” to you… thank you.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        Trump refers to “Trump” himself.

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        • GB Bari says:

          He’s the President. He can refer to himself in any way he chooses.

          The rest of us should, as a matter of decorum and respect for the highest office in the land, continue to use the title in front of the name when referring to him as a proper noun. When used as an adjective, it is ok to simply use his surname.

          Example: Globalists have opposed President Trump’s MAGA agenda. But middle class Americans are prospering in the Trump economy.

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          • meow4me2 says:

            Well stated, GB. I couldn’t agree more. But I have to admit I didn’t give the same consideration to BO. Couldn’t bring myself to do it.

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          • rlprior says:

            My respect for The President remains at the highest levels. His impact on the Globalist governments of the entire Developed world are is without precedent.

            This President is the hero of our times – right up there with Winston Churchill.

            Google “Thank you from DJT” – a personalized communication to his supporters within 4 hours of his election. This message encapsulates the character of President Trump.

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    • spoogels says:

      Not really Revenge is a porridge best eaten col. Esp during the 2020 elections
      You don’t shoot all your ammo at once in a tactical situation. You wait for the best opportunity to inflict maximum damage

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  22. Piggy says:

    Maybe, Meadows, Jordan, or Nunes could get interviewed by CTH?

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  23. Zorro says:

    Remember the good old days, a couple years ago, and it was thought that there might be some good guys at the FBI and Pientka might be one and cooperating behind the scenes?

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  24. Kent says:

    Republican leadership GAVE away the majority…..it WASN’T lost….

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  25. Chip Doctor says:

    Meadows is wrong. POTUS knows every single detail that is in the “declassify” folder. Word for word…….after all, he does come to the Treehouse.

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  26. nimrodman says:

    Well, it’s good to know that Kortan, Pientka and Three Others have been “interviewed”
    My question is: When do they get interrogated?

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  27. Patriot1783 says:

    Nunes should request interview of former FBI Asst Dir of Congressional Affairs Gregory Bower, guy on left/green tie in the “group shot” including Baker, Page, McCabe. He resigned shortly after Kortan in April 2018 after barely being in office for a year. He knows stuff and beat feet when fbi started getting fired. Everyone else, other than the security officers, in that photo have been fired or resigned.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/08/mike-is-out-michael-p-kortan-quits-fbi/

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/greg-brower-fbi-office-of-congressional-affairs/index.html?

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  28. Merkin Muffy says:

    From this information, it seems that Horowitz is sticking closely to the Andrew McCabe charge of leaking and is not interested in going any further than that.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Muffy, Horowitz is currently running the FISA abuse investigation. There may be others of which we do not yet know. Patience…

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  29. railer says:

    Yeah, Wray is completely out of his depth. That somewhat serves Trump’s purposes though. The Swamp, Deep State and McConnell all wanted one of their own in that FBI Director’s job, and I believe Mueller was their preferred choice, to cover up their illegal FBI espionage on the Trump campaign.

    Trump disrupted their Hobson’s Choice, and Wray doesn’t have the Swamp and Deep State chops to do what Mueller and his gang of thugs have been doing, and would have been doing at the FBI, even without prosecutorial powers. Comey had blazed the trail for them, when he “declined to prosecute” Hillary for the illegal server and breach of security resultant, even though the FBI director is not legally or constitutionally empowered to make such decisions. Between Mueller and Rosenstein, and embedded within the bureaucracy and administration, they would have buried this conspiracy and attacked Trump for years, and even now they’d be at work to destroy his presidency.

    Trump outfoxed them all.

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  30. TwoLaine says:

    Maria B is touting that Mark Meadows will break news on her show this AM, regarding Spygate.

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  31. Trump Train says:

    I am sicking of hearing not good for the country to go after these traitors………..its 100% backwards, these people need to be prosecuted and receive the harshest penalty under the law. It is the only way to save this country (which might not be possible anyway due the mass of ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADORS)

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  32. Lactantius says:

    Duplicity is an “inconsistency between what is thought in the mind and what is subsequently uttered in words. So, the first test of duplicity is whether the speaker uttering the words thought them to be factually true or not.

    Pride goeth before the fall. Believing that the ends justify the means (such as being duplicitous) is to believe that the self is capable of creating a necessary goodness. Pride is the opposite of humility and duplicity is the opposite of truth.

    Knowledge is translated by way of language and language is subject to the imperfections due to the words chosen and how those words are interpreted by listeners.

    The ability to utter knowledge accurately through speech is a gift. For a prideful speaker, the ability to utter duplicity through speech is also a gift.

    Justice and duplicity DO NOT go hand in hand. Political speech is largely duplicitous speech in which “word-smithing” is an art and a craft. Political justice is an oxymoron.

    This said, the entire Trump/Russia collusion event is duplicitous political-justice theater. (As is the cacophony arising over “immigration” and the border with Mexico.)

    James Comey never got near the honor of wearing the White Hat in his life. The White Hat stands for pious dedication to truth and justice. Anyone who bends the truth in the name of justice is just a common, prideful climber clinging to his ego and his self-manufactured self-esteem.

    A “true believer” in justice insists on truth and exerts perseverance in finding the truth.

    When politicians, corporations, the media and citizens in general rely on intentional duplicity as fundamental to their success, justice becomes an almost impossible concept.

    Generally speaking, lawyers have been trained and encouraged to practice the art of duplicity in order to achieve success in winning cases and becoming wealthy as a result.

    Luckily, there are Davids among the Goliaths. These are men and women who are dedicated to the concept of justice and the rule of law and are intelligent enough to understand how duplicity works and how to ferret it out.

    We would like to believe that 115,000 members of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are all Davids. But, clearly that is not the case. The DOJ and the FBI need a spring house cleaning, but not a total replacement. The first to go must be the professionally duplicitous, followed by those who go along with immorality.

    Both the DOJ and the FBI have institutionalized forms of duplicity within their operational culture. Because of “politics” we will never see a “pristine” DOJ or FBI. That is why there is an office of Inspector General.

    When this Trump-Russia Collusion sideshow has played its way out, I would like to see each act of duplicity by politicians, the media, the “intelligence community” and the employees of the DOJ and the FBI put out for public view. Of course, the favorite duplicity – “redaction” – will prevent that from occurring.

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  33. dan understahl says:

    With Barr as AJ, the whole dynamic of the Horowitz and other Dept of Justice reports flips, in my view from surface to deep investigation.

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  34. skifflegirl says:

    Lt Col Tony Schaeffer did an interview on Friday where he stressed the importance of the Obama WH waiving then-candidate Trump’s Defensive Briefing. Having worked with the FBI’s domestic-foreign counter intelligence division, he said that if any American citizen -especially a high profile American- was being targeted by suspected foreign intel, FBI is obligated to give them a DB. In order to bypass that policy and begin collecting on that American, only the NSC Advisor-Susan Rice- could have signed that waiver. To hear him describe it, bypassing that policy meant that the Obama admin considered candidate Trump a foreign agent himself from the get-go. Susan ‘by the book’ Rice, John Brennan and Obama are the only one’s with the authority who could have initiated the spygate. The origins can’t be scapegoated by blaming rogue lower level officals in DOJ/FBI like McCabe or Strzok.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      That interview was actually 16 Feb 2019. This is known as I listened to it a while back.
      This is a great interview and thank you for including it. LtCol Shaeffer knows exactly what is going on and says as much as he is able.

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  35. jeans2nd says:

    Re: Kortan – Kortan may have been interviewed by IG Horowitz during the IG leak investigation, including the McCabe part of the leaks. Rep Nunes told J Batchelor that there was the CIA-initiated non-predicated operation and its subsequest leaks, followed by the official FBI investigation which was also followed by leaks.

    “…leaking information to the media so the FBI could recapture those media reports as evidence in their investigation; ie. the circular investigative material.”
    That is exactly what Rep Nunes told J Batchelor, without mentioning any names or offices.

    “Kortan attacking HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes”
    “Mike Kortan had gone rogue against Nunes”
    and there you are

    Meadows mentioned IG Horowitz could not investigate the IC. But Horowitz could refer any investigation of the IC to the IC IG, especially with Horowitz being head IG. We’ve heard nothing of an IC IG investigation. Perhaps there is one. If not, why not?

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