The FISA Conundrum…

It is hard to believe this was written a year ago; time flies.  However, we are repeating a FISA-702 explanation thread below because as the year has evolved; and understanding FISA-702 process abuse is now the specific focus of Inspector General Michael Horowitz; there is an aspect to the FISA-gate story that must be expanded.

The United States intelligence community, writ large, will likely never allow the structural abuse of the FISA-702 system by the Obama administration to surface.  Consider it a third rail of unspoken agreement. A similar motive for the DIA to keep the Flynn file under wraps.  However, before going into the complexities of the FISA conundrum, which would also envelop any Horowitz report, it is important to revisit the basics.

We’ll break down the term: “ FISA-702(16)(17) ” into the elements that will help make sense of this story in the future.

  • FISA – Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
  • 702 – An American caught up in the process of Foreign Surveillance
  • (16) – A search query based on “TO” and/or “FROM”
  • (17) – A search query based on “ABOUT” (now removed)

Again, to repeat, there are differing FISA rules for use of the NSA or FBI database depending on the originating intelligence compartment.

If a search is conducted from an intelligence compartment within the U.S. government whose objective is to ensure “National Security” there are different FISA rules than a search from an intelligence compartment not engaged in “National Security”.

The DOJ has a “National Security Division”. Their compartment rules on FISA searches and reviews are different from the DOJ “Civil Rights Division”. There are 30 DOJ divisions.

The FBI (a department within the DOJ) has a Counterintelligence Division that focuses on terrorism threats etc. A FISA search from within the Counterintelligence Division has different rules than a FISA search from the Science and Technology Division.

So, We Begin: FISA searches can be conducted on any foreign person without issue. All non-U.S. citizens on the entire planet can be searched 24/7/365 no issues. FISA searches on foreign people have no restrictions at all.

However, when the FISA search returns data identifying a U.S. citizen, everything changes. Those changes are under the identifying term “702”. A “702” is an American person associated with the FISA process; and that person has 4th amendment rights.

All U.S. citizens are protected by the fourth amendment against unlawful search and seizure. All searches of U.S. people must have a valid reason. Title III says any search for a potential criminal investigation must have a judicial warrant. Additionally, any criminal search of the FISA database must also have a warrant (technically, ‘approval’).

Any FISA searches of foreign subjects, might need FISA Court approval if the returned data includes a U.S. subject (“702”).

However, When a FISA-702 search is conducted based on the need for “national security” no approval from the FISA court is needed. Search away. If the FISA search is because of a “vital national security interest” the resulting search data can be opened, and all ‘upstream’ connections explored, without seeking permission from the FISA court.

♦A “FISA-702(16)” Search Result – would be a search result of the FBI (counter terrorism) database or NSA database that returns an American person as a result of a “To” or “From” (16) type data search.

EXAMPLE: Querying phone data (phone number) TO: Operator BadGuy or FROM: Operator BadGuy – might return a list of phone numbers that also contains an American persons’ phone number. That American person is protected by the fourth amendment. To look at the “upstream” connections of the American Person to other people, likely more Americans, the search operator would need to ask permission of the FISA Court to review the upstream results.

This is the minimization process. The U.S. person must be minimally exposed, or protected, to avoid having any specific rights violated.

[NOTE: *Exception* – the search was vital to national security. If so, the upstream phone numbers could be reviewed without asking FISA permission.]

♦A “FISA-702(17)” Search Result – would be a search result of the FBI (counter terrorism) database or NSA database that returns an American person (702) as a result of an “ABOUT” (17) type data search.

EXAMPLE: Querying everything in email ABOUT: Mohammed BadGuy – might return communication of an American who wrote a letter about Mohammed BadGuy or maybe he told a friend in a text to check out a media story about Mohammed BadGuy. To look at the email or text of the American, the search operator would need to ask permission of the FISA Court to see the email/text content.

[NOTE: *Exception* – the search was vital to national security?. If So, the email and text could be looked at without asking permission]

The “about queries” are exceptionally problematic.  The user can input a phone number, an ip address, a name, an email account, or virtually anything related to the identity of a person or group and receive thousands of search results to sort and filter.

November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702(17) “About Queries”, returns from searches, were identified by NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers, being conducted by the intelligence community (FBI), by “contractors” and “individuals” for reasons that: •were unauthorized; •were directly related to U.S. persons; •and had nothing to do with National Security; •and were conducted by people who did not request FISA Court Approval.

Director Mike Rogers discovered FBI contractors doing FISA-702 “About Searches” that resulted in returns providing information on Americans. Those results were passed on to people outside government.

Pg 83. “FBI gave raw Section 702–acquired information to a private entity that was not a federal agency and whose personnel were not sufficiently supervised by a federal agency for compliance minimization procedures.”

(2017 FISA Court Opinion – 99 Page Brief)

Someone inside the FBI was giving FISA-702 search results on U.S. individuals to a private entity that had nothing to do with government. Those 702 (American Citizen) results were not “minimized” and exposed the private data of the American citizen(s).

In addition, NSA Director Mike Rogers, who is also in charge of Cyber Command, discovered people within the intelligence community were doing “searches” of the NSA and FBI database that were returning information (a non-compliant rate of 85%),  that had nothing to do with “Foreign Individuals”.

Rogers requested a full FISA-702 Compliance Review.

As an outcome of that review, the DOJ/FBI compliance officer noted FISA violations. Again, the FISA Court (page 84):

We do not know how exactly many FISA-702 violations took place prior to NSA Mike Rogers initiating the full FISA-702 review in April 2016. [There were thousands during the period reviewed by the compliance audit] Nor do we know who the insider FBI individuals were; or what results were passed on; or what was done with the results.

However, given the nature of what was taking place at the time (March, April, May, 2016) it appears likely this was part of the DOJ/FBI/Fusion-GPS collision to gather information on the candidacy of Donald Trump.

CTH received a tip that Fusion GPS [either ‘individuals’ (Nellie Ohr) or the company] were one of the “contractors” mentioned, additionally the “private entity” could also be inside the Fusion GPS network (think Daniel Richman).  Another “contractor” could possibly be CrowdStrike. From all appearances there were multiple people involved.

These ‘passed-along’ FISA-702 raw search results appear to be the seeds which were fertilized by Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacobs, Nellie Ohr; “unmasked” by Obama administration officials; and enhanced/laundered by Christopher Steele – to end with a “Steele Dossier” returned to the FBI via Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok, DOJ Deputy Bruce Ohr, and DOJ/FBI lawyer Lisa Page, for their “insurance policy”.

The DOJ and FBI then took the dossier, full circle, back to the FISA Court to gain 702 surveillance authority and approval (media says ‘warrant’), upon the Trump Campaign (October 2016), and President-Elect (after November 8th, 2016).

In October 2016, immediately after the DOJ lawyers formatted the FBI information (Steele Dossier etc.) for a valid FISC application, the head of the DOJ National Security Division, Asst. Attorney General John P Carlin, left his job. Carlin’s exit came as the DOJ-NSD and Admiral Rogers informed the FISC that frequent unauthorized FISA-702 searches had been conducted. Read Here.

All research indicates the intelligence information the DOJ and FBI collected via their FISA-702 queries, combined with the intelligence Fusion GPS created in their earlier use of contractor access to FISA-702(17) “about queries”, was the intelligence data manipulated by Nellie Ohr, and laundered by Christopher Steele for use in creating “The Russian Dossier”.

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385 Responses to The FISA Conundrum…

  1. God I love your work. National Treasure = Sundance

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    • The Phantom Stranger says:

      Sundance is entirely correct in this case. The US intel community will never allow full disclosure of what occurred under Obama. Ever. It would likely lead to catastrophic political consequences and disrupt the intel community’s current structure. They will do anything to preserve the Deep State’s hegemony behind the scenes. Exposure of actions taken under Obama would generate enormous pressure for Congress to do something about rogue intel agencies and operatives.

      As we’ve seen, the corporate media tow whatever line the intel agencies feed them, so they will look the other way. I’m sure we’ll get some sanitized version of the truth fed to the American public down the road, once Trump is long out of office and Democrats are safely back in the White House. That is how these things are usually handled.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        The Intelligence community blowing the whistle on FISA abuse is as likely as…..
        humans trying to rid the planet of air.

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      • Fake News says:

        So how come Mike Rogers has never acknowledged spygate if he is such a hero. Not a word . His former colleagues write books trashing POTUS and he’s never said a word. Why does he attend seminars and yuck it up with Brennan Comey clapper.

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      • Linda K. says:

        There is nothing to really stop this from happening again. I recall Maxine Waters bragging about the information network Obama had set up. I believe this was widespread and common knowledge among these elites. I’s like to know how Admiral Rogers got wind of wha was happening.

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      • budklatsch says:

        The IC has not dealt with the likes of PDJT. I still have hope and the resulting actions will be catastrophic to the evil doers.

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      • Mark L. says:

        I don’t think Congress would do a thing. They have long ago been compromised. Remember its a big club and you aren’t in it.

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      • doohmax says:

        I find it very sad this early Sunday morning to fully realize that the Obama Administration, I include Clinton in this, will get away with the use of the Intelligence community, with the compliance of the national media, to try to overthrow a duly elected President of the United States. I agree with you that to fully expose this conspiracy would buckle the foundations of our society and government because it would require the indictment, prosecution, and conviction of Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton, James Comey……the list is too long to continue. I also realize that we are so far down this terrible path that all President Trump has done is delay the inevitable for maybe 6 or 8 years. The Deep State will ultimately outlast Trump and the Deplorables. I don’t think we as citizens will notice much of a change in our lives in the future, just as we were slow to realize the drastic changes Obama was able to slowly weave into our culture, institutions, and government over the 2008-16 time-frame. We have all heard the analogy of slowly boiling the lobster, I’m sure. The national media is complicit in this conspiracy and will enable the State to infiltrate our lives seamlessly. I hope I am wrong. I hope President Trump has an ace in the hole. He needs to hurry up and play that card soon.

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        • Armchair Quarterback says:

          Then we really only have ourselves to blame for allowing our once strong and righteous country go down without so much as a whimper!

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        • dahimm says:

          The lesson in this is that evil must be defeated one conspiracy at a time. Sometimes the best we will accomplish is to dodge the bullet and fight another day. But fight we must. If we are really fortunate the evil doers will be held accountable in this world, rather than the next. Goodness and truth are strong allies and will not be defeated. True justice will come to each one in their time.

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      • cozette says:

        I disagree with the pessimism. President Trump is now POTUS. He and his allies are well aware of whats been going on for a long time. Obviously there is a huge power struggle within the IC which reflects the power struggle around the world between the forces of good and evil. Every party, religion, institution and country have been infected. Some more than others. Why should I be pessimistic about Team Trumps ultimate victory just because occasional hints surface that there is indeed a war? Frankly, such news increases my optimism. I’m glad to know there is a fight for once. Why should I assume our VSG will lose the fight? What positive purpose does such defeatism serve? Personally, I grinned when I heard Solomom rat out members of the IC for withholding exculpatory evidence that would clear Flynn. Team Trump, which includes members of MI, have been giving Solomon and Sara scoops for some time that are made public via appearances on Hannity. The Rats got exposed. Again. By Team Trump and the faction of the IC aligned with him. Why not celebrate this win? Why not rejoice over this proof that a war is being waged? Why not have hope that the good guys will prevail? Why not trust in God? He commanded us to “not let our hearts be troubled”? Why on earth would we reject His command? Rather than making ourselves sick with worry over things outside of our control, why not instead pray for those patriots who are fighting the forces of evil for us and have confidence that God will answer our prayers?

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      • E, ROBOT says:

        You guys need to understand it’s a new ballgame game now. Trump is not corrupt-able, that is not to say, he’s infallible, he will make mistakes and then correct them.

        Give him a chance. He’s done wonders in two years. Remember this started with Wilson over a hundred years ago.

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  2. erp says:

    If someone can explain this mess succinctly, it would be greatly appreciated. I started reading and while I recognized the words, I can’t make head or tale of the meaning. Thanks.

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    • joeknuckles says:

      I’ll take a crack at it. Federal officials can do whatever they want and get away with it, as long as they are not associated with Trump. If they are associated with Trump, they will be framed for the crimes committed by the ones that are not associated with Trump.

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      • nimrodman says:

        stellar, joeknuckles
        extra points for both brevity and clarity

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      • Mary Tucchi says:

        Exactly this.
        Revolution when?

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      • Kia1 says:

        Joeknuckles, Perfect analysis; good job!!!

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        They were running a coup against the President using information collected from illegal wire taps.

        Then they made. up a story ( Nellie Orh creation) called a dossier. Then they leaked this information to the press.

        Due to this leak they then went to a judge and stated we have a crime here, need to get the FISA documents for a surveillance , a surveillance that they already did without permission. Hence why the FiSA documents are important, due to recent discoveries, if they release the FISA docs…

        The dates will not match the dates they committed the surveillance.

        Hence proof of the Agencies committing crimes…..

        Please correct anything I missed or in error, hard to stop sometimes

        Did not mean to mis-lead if wrong

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        • CountryDoc says:

          After reading this article, I think the reason for finding something “Russian”, which turns out to be totally made up, is to have a “foreign threat to national security” which “legalizes” an unrestricted search, which is supposed to be minimized when a citizen becomes involved. They may have picked “Russia” because of known foreign dealings by Trump, and possibly(?) Melania. In many cases they were grasping a straws to create legal excuses for crimes they had already committed.

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        • Armchair Quarterback says:

          The only thing I would add it that this survelience and weaponozing of everyone has been going on way before trump came to the scene…..politically speaking.

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      • Joe- that is absolutely brilliant. One of your best yet. So easy to understand, now I get it.

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      • Apollo says:

        This is exactly right. And they will be allowed to harass and jail Deplorables as much as they want for process crimes and other administrivia, while no one would even dream of prosecuting them back for their more serious crimes.

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      • Diana Allocco says:

        That needs to be pinned somewhere, joeknuckles.

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      • TruthSavesUs says:

        100% correct Joe, but now that more and more ppl know this, tables about to turn, POTUS is there for a reason! Cheers to ALL 😊✨

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      • Al Brown says:

        jocknickles, what makes you think this is the first time this has been done? Why only Trump. They are doing it more and harder to Trump, but Republican Presidents and Administrations have always been plagued by leak, leakers and media using the leaks to ask set-up, “gotcha” questions, and opposition legislators to run endless investigations to criminalize policy they oppose.

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      • Cheesehead54016 says:

        Where is the Weiner laptop and when does it resurface???

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        • Linda K. says:

          And why isn’t Comey scared? He is being outed and has to semm a doofus to get out of answering questions about his time as FBI director.

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      • Curry Worsham says:

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      • WHBates says:

        All true except, by focusing on Trump, you minimize the real danger I think. This would apply to any outsider, the raw fact is that we apparently live in a Potemkin country.

        If this stuff is allowed to remain hidden and no one is held accountable, they won’t be so sloppy next time.

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        • why not focus on Trump? He’s the target.Thank God or your lucky stars he was elected.

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          • WHBates says:

            Because, while the pattern might have been different, they would have done the same with any perceived outsider, Cruz for example. We have an unaccountable, out of control, and unelected bureaucracy that has to be reigned in if the Republic is going to survive.

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    • Publius2016 says:

      its like a google search with super computers…each search requires advance approval on specific terms…however, Deep State has now contracted out the actual INTELLIGENCE WORK to private companies so now, there is widespread abuse!! Remember, Snowden was a “contractor” and not actual US employee.

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      • E, ROBOT says:

        I understand the big picture, but the details are too convoluted for a fast read. Thanks everybody. Why do you think Trump just didn’t ask for resignations from all Obama’s people?

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        • Zorro says:

          Simply there are not enough replacements. Patriots are greatly outnumbered.

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          • CountryDoc says:

            I disagree Zorro. We would be better off if the whole institutions were take down and rebuilt from scratch. I think the reason is that there is not enough visible Patriot support to assist Trump in the counter attack that is already well underway.

            To win, there has to be enough come to light that there is a critical voting mass or reactive mass (revolt on the street, possibly with guns i.e. the Battle of Athens) to overwhelm the Uniparty and NWO enemies.

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          • Will Hunt says:

            Trump could use a scalpel rather than a sledgehammer on the terminations. Also, completely unnecessary to fire the career employees – reassignment to “window watching” jobs (as the Japanese term it) would work as well.

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        • WSB says:

          Many were reclassified right before the inauguration as Career Employees, so they cannot just be fired. There would need to be Cause.

          And this just might be it.

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        • thetrain2016 says:

          …or they were closely watched to build the case against the key conspirators.

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        • lemmus1 says:

          …most of those positions are protected by law from political driven changes

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          • lemmus1 says:

            …in fact, in the months between 6 Nov and 20 Jan a huge number of Obama political appointees transferred into protected civil service positions that magically appeared

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            • CountryDoc says:

              that explains a lot. Much of what Obama and the Clintons (and I am coming to believe also the Bushes) was planned to a great detail.

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            • E, ROBOT says:

              That should be easy to trace. Ask for all their resignations, if they don’t comply, send in the Federal Marshals to escort them to jail.

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              • lemmus1 says:

                …the vast majority of civilian federal employees cannot be fired at will by the President; they can only be fired for cause …which is why so many Obama appointees transferred into civil service protected positions

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          • John says:

            The way Holder got rid of Career Federal Employees at DOJ was to simply change the rules and institute what they called a up or out program. If you didn’t make your next promotion you had to take early retirement. Guess who decided who got promoted and assigned to jobs that would allow them to get experience to check the boxes to meet the next requirements to be promoted again.
            They decimated the US Attorney Offices all across the country with this program. I had a friend that was a Assistant US Attorney that was let go because she didn’t have any experience working at DOJ headquarters and thusly wasn’t eligible to be promoted to the next step on her career ladder.

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        • Jesse T Mims says:

          @ E, ROBOT… Re “Why do you think Trump just didn’t ask for resignations from all Obama’s people?”

          Booting all Obama people would not get rid of all the bad guys; i.e., many bad guys were leftovers from previous administrations, both Democratic and Republicans! Plus, at the time Trump was sworn in, the identity of all the bad guys was not known. Some of them may never be identified. Best to allow as many as possible to expose and implicate themselves and others by their actions.

          Too, Trump’s top priority is not necessarily the same as ours. I think he’s more interested in changing things long term AND world wide to make America safer from both domestic and foreign enemies. If that’s not done, putting all current crooks in jail will not prevent others like them from continuing their trade unopposed once Trump is out of office.

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          • John says:

            I think a lot of that was Reince Priebus’s doing and I think President Trump was thinking about trying to mend fences and bring the party and country back together after a contentious election.

            Of course the establishment GOP and Democrats just saw it as weakness and took full advantage. The hand he reached out to the other side in friendship came back as a mangled stump.

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      • Dutchman says:

        This confirms what we’ve all known, as a result of a previous Sundance exclusuve.
        There were NO Russians involved at all and in any way, in the steels dossier.

        They would use the ‘about searches’, to nail down some verifiable fact, like that Michael Cohen was in Prague at a certain period if time.
        Then they would write a fantasy, weaving these verifiable facts into the fantasy. Like “while in Prague, he met with so and so.” He didn’t, but anyone looking at it, would be able to verify that he HAD been in Prague, so it COULD be true.

        And THIS was the key that allowed figuring out what they were doing, cause while A michael cohen had been in Prague, it wasn’t THE michael cohen DJT’s so called ‘fixer’, it was someone with the same name.

        Only way they could have got that, was with a 702 search, about Michael cohen.
        They screwed up. Obviously, if the fictional material had come from russians, they would have known which michael cohen was in Prague.

        Anyway, this is confirmation Sundance was right. No Russians at all, they used the “about searches” to get a scaffolding of truths, upon which to hang their web of lies.
        Proof they made the whole thing up.

        And then, of coarse fed it back to themselves, after laundering through the press, for additional authenticity (appearance), so they could justify the FISA warrants.

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        • Dutchman says:

          In addition, info from these 702 requests, was put into the Presidential daily briefs, which suddenly had a much wider distribution list, and were being shared with members of Congress, and after unmasking, leaked to the press.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          Of course, the State Dept also would have had info on all Michael Cohen’s passports but a 702 search makes more sense.

          Interesting, isn’t it, that Michael Cohen is trash talking PDJT non-stop but has nothing to say about that bogus reference to the trip (that he didn’t take) to Prague and the things that he (didn’t) do there and the people with whom he (didn’t) meet.

          Pull on that string.

          Michael Cohen certainly is acting like someone who might be in line for a piece of that $50MM slush fund. Having Lanny Davis as his attorney says volumes.

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          • Deplorable_Infidel says:

            “Michael Cohen is trash talking PDJT non-stop”

            Just confirming his true character. When the going gets tough, the wimps and cowards cry and sing like canaries.

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          • Jan says:

            When the Dossier came out way back when (about 1/10/17), Cohen denied he’d been to Prague and provided copies of his passbook to whoever would listen to show he’d never been there, plus evidence of where he was on those dates. But he wasn’t indicted or sentenced for lying about Prague, so it’s not in the talking points he’s been handed by either the Mueller crew or the SDNY–who for all intents and purposes appear to be the same.

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          • Ackman420 says:

            Can you imagine how that convo went?
            “Relax, Mike. Just do what I say and you’ll be ok. A few months in the clink and you’ll be a made man. You’re on Team Clinton now.”
            “Thank you, Lord Satan. Where do I sign?”

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    • Cheese says:

      It means that there is no such thing as a Justice System, only a legal system controlled by the swamp.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      “The United States intelligence community, writ large, will likely never allow the structural abuse of the FISA-702 system by the Obama administration to surface. Consider it a third rail of unspoken agreement. A similar motive for the DIA to keep the Flynn file under wraps…(and) envelop any Horowitz report…”

      That is what you need for now. The details you can figure out later.

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    • southernmom19 says:

      They were spying on of the communications of Trump and other people affiliated with him. They had no lawful reason to be doing that. They also allowed rope from outside of the FBI and DOJ to use the system to spy on people, People with no vetting or security clearances. People like Christopher Steele. Christopher Sterl runs Fusion GPS. He, and others, were using this system to gather information on Trump and his affiliates. They could do it by simply typing in someone’s name. From this information, he made the peepee dossier. This was all illegal. Then they went to the FISA court and got approval to spy on Trump and others by using the same dossier. The same dossier that was fabricated by them allowing unauthorized people to use the DOJ’s system for spying on people.

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    • snarkybeach says:

      Here’s a short clip from the Snowden movie that explains how they can target people:

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    • Uncompliant says:

      In a search box connected to the big database, type: type and run QUERY “to” or “from” “erp.”
      Result: erp posted a comment on CTH (and every other email, text, message, phone call that erp has sent or received in 10 years)
      That’s a FISA 702(16) search.

      Next: type: type and run QUERY “about” “erp”
      Result: erp had eggs for breakfast, bought gas at the corner BP station, has $1 million in the bank and is being discussed in real time on the CTH.
      That’s a FISA 702(17). The “702” is a reference to a statutory section of the I believe the Patriot Act.

      If erp is an American, the government needs authorization (media calls it a warrant) from the FISC to run the queries unless erp relates to “national security.”

      If erp is — say — a Brit, then no authorization/warrant needed. The US government can search everything about erp (and then, with the sharing agreement between the Five Eyes countries, five all that info to MI6; and that works in reverse too).
      Non-government folks are not supposed to run queries.

      In late 2015 through at least May 2016, two problems: non-government types (private citizens called “contractors”) were either running queries or were given the results of queries or both and (ii) government employees were running queries that were gathering info on Americans without a warrant/authorization.

      The conundrum is what to do about all this data that the government collects and the abuses that took place/ that might still be taking place?

      The Deep State likes its free and easy access. Exposing the abuse risks a tightening up of the procedures. But all this information in the hands of the Deep State is dangerous to We The People, both as individuals and collectively.

      And .. all of this has a lot to do with Trump and “muh Russia.”

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    • Nan says:

      The intelligence community has been abusing an intelligence tool to violate an untold number of US citizens’ constitutional rights against unlawful search.

      In the most egregious example we know of, the FBI used it to spy on President Trump and anyone connected to him. Most likely, they wanted to find something to keep him from becoming president.

      They are now attempting to hide what they did by claiming all evidence of their crimes must stay classified for “national security” reason.

      It is not hyperbole to call this a coup attempt.

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    • Sprawlie says:

      The NSA have a database of all electronic communications. Essentially you can think of it as if they have access to everyones cell phone (all apps, email, phone calls, texts). If you are a foreigner, you have no constitutional rights and your phone can be unlocked at anytime. If you’re a citizen, you do have constitutional rights and your phone can’t be unlocked unless the government show just cause (or the governement says it is vital to national security).

      A 702 is a citizen who has had their phone unlocked. A 16 – To/From – means viewing all communication coming from and to an unlocked phone. A 17 – About – means viewing all communications from all unlocked phones (foreigner phones and other 702 phones) that relate to or mention a 702.

      Under 0, the governement gave unlocked phone communication (17) search results collected on national security grounds. Meaning without approval from the FISA court. The database use audit found that the national secuitry reasons used were BS in 85% cases. Furthermore officials passed results along to their allies outside government so they could scavenge for dirt to eliminate their enemies.

      Everything that’s happened since is these rats doing anything and everything to create a hurricane of crossfire amongst a number of interested parties. Anything to minimize this repulsive abuse of power. Imagine the political, financial advantages of being able to view everyone’s communications.

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    • Tim says:

      The Obama government / corrupt officials used the power of multiple federal agencies to target political opponents.. then corrupt govt officials are involved in any investigation if the need arrises to have a “investigation”. This is the swamp.

      The Obama govt / corrupt officials used the IRS to target opponents eg tea party.
      The Obama govt / corrupt officials used the intelligence services to target / spy on Trump and the Trump campaign.

      The Obama govt / corrupt officials created an insurance policy to cover their asses on the Trump spying….The insurance policy is the Russian – Trump collusion story. Which the intelligence services created, then leaked parts to the media, then quoted the same media stories as confirmation when building the story they had created.

      the Russian – Trump collusion,, insurance policy / story. MEANS
      1 all the spying on Trump and the Trump campaign was LEGAL because its was a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY because RUSSIANS !!!
      2 They cant answer any questions about all the spying they did because it might affect the Muller special counsel investigation into Russian collusion.

      This is why The Obama government / corrupt officials made attempts to get 3 different Trump campaign people involved with Russian information. Think Carter Page, George Papadoupolous etc.

      This gives you a framework of where the pieces fit.

      Not all the Obama officials realise this is a hugely illegal use of intelligence 🙂

      Watch the video where former Obama administration official Evelyn Farkas (Deputy Asst. Secretary of Defense), explains how they ( the Obama govt ) have been spying on the Trump campaing
      “”Because I had a fear that ………, um, that the Trump folks – if they found out HOW we knew what we knew about their, the Trump staff, dealing with Russians “””

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/26/my-oh-my-latest-reports-of-fbi-doj-counterintelligence-operation-evelyn-farkas-statements-take-on-new-light/

      I tried to make it short in bit sized bits.

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      • doohmax says:

        Tim, brilliant compilation. I had, only minutes ago, asked my wife, “I wonder what ever happened to that idiot that spilled the beans about spreading all the info to everyone possible before Trump took office”. I had forgotten her name. Anyone know what she’s doing these days?

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    • amwick says:

      All communication is kept in a vat.. Info may be scooped up, if you have the right net. The net is supposed to be for national security, think safety net. BUT This info is valuable and has been sold, creating a huge profit.
      We are up a creek. That`s allI got.

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      • Dutchman says:

        And, this initial spying on Trump associates was not their first rodeo.

        How about spying on,..say Republican Congressman, elected as tea partiers.

        Judges from whom they wanted favorable decisions.

        “Here’s the stick; we have incriminating material on you, wife, kid. We can GUARANTEE that no charges are filed (cause we,OWN the FBI/DOJ AND funnel a boatload of money at you and your family, if you vote/rule the way we want.

        If not, no money, you’ll be bankrupted, family ruined, charges brought we guarantee (again, we owned FBI/DOJ).

        So, you want to join our club? Its called the UNI party, cause we are,all united in our corruption.”

        Its a big club. And YOU ain’t IN it.

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      • MustangBlues says:

        ”BUT This info is valuable and has been sold, creating a huge profit.”

        If the gov has the info on everyone, then no one will rebel, because they will be broken by the legal charges the gov will torment them with. That’s the problem: blackmail, destroy, intimidate to prevent any challenge to the reigning authoritarian despot in charge.

        Making money may be a perk of data collection, but controlling with unlimited data mining absolutely enserfs the masses and ensures nothing disturbs the luxury of rule by our betters.

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        • Who buys the FISA queries or Data Mining results? Where does the money earned from these queries go? Who is paying for these queries to be done?

          You would think their would be a money trail a mile wide. Does anyone believe that the queries have stopped when you consider the amount of money that must be involved?

          Yet, we hear or see nothing to this effect. Perhaps the question we should be asking is who and what would you need to continue such a criminal activity?

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        • dreamguardian007 says:

          “If the gov has the info on everyone, then no one will rebel”… Big Brother is here is much more powerful and terrifying than even Mr. Orwell could imagine.

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        • amwick says:

          That is an excellent point, but SD had a post not long ago, and he pointed out how much money is made by selling information… There are trillions at stake…

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      The data of Americans is a gold mine of information that government (and those who feed off it) have utilized both 1) legitimately for national security and 2) illegitimately as a marketable product.

      THEY don’t want you to know about 2)

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    • Mike Rogers is a hero.
      This is the reason Rogers went to see Trump.Rogers gave him the skinny.You’re being spied on. Trump moved out of Trump Tower and posted his famous tweet that the media went berserk over.
      Want to see the truth revealed? Enough people make enough of a stink we have a few heroes willing to go to bat for us;accepting the status quo is NOT an option!

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  3. Mike says:

    This is why there’s a 2nd Amendment

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  4. Publius2016 says:

    remember 21st century surveillance is digital and INFRARED, sonar, 3D, video, audio, all encompassing! The Insurance Plan was the planting of evidence on Trump Campaign…Deep State coup was exposed with Vault 7! there are teams of spooks in addition to the FISA surveillance!!

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  5. fleporeblog says:

    This truly is the whole bowl of wax! If what occurred here got out to the American public, they will have an uproar on their hands by the Right and Left. I truly believe that Representative Devin Nunez that day in early February 2017 got to see with his own eyes the extent of the abus that was taking place.

    Remember he went to the White House to speak with our President. I believe there are a bunch of politicians that have no clue about the abuses. The Gang of 8 would have the ability if they were willing to do what Devin did. Remember that Shitty was petrified to go and see it himself.

    I believe our President is fully aware but is struggling on what to do about it given how destructive it would be to our country. Our President is an absolute Patriot that loves his country with every ounce of blood in his body. He knows that if this gets out, our country will be on the verge of a revolution.

    Not sure he wants to see our country destroyed under his watch.

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Flep…..bingo. The rot is so deep and wide that exposure could truly damage the country.

      However….if not public trials and perp walks, surely the President can do SOMETHING to stop what appears to be still happening.

      And surely there is more than one Mike Rogers?

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      • fleporeblog says:

        To be honest, I don’t know.

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        • 🍺Gunny66 says:

          And if you truly understand that our President now has the so called “ability to expose all of this.

          But as Flep stated, this is probably the most important decision / task that any President in our history has had to make.

          Because if done the wrong way, our country would become non- functional.

          That is how deep this is. This is another reason everyone should be patient in calling for arrests etc.

          Because once it starts, if it ever starts, it will be self feeding and cannot be stopped.

          What do we do. Same answer. Dunno. Have patience and let our President handle this……

          Ya know, you can see their game coming apart…….and the President making these personal moves is curious.

          Getting ready for battle? Or, attempts at exposing themselves.

          Let Trump be Trump

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          • billygoat65 says:

            I do not think the President will unlease the documents until after Mueller is finished with his report.
            https://quodverum.com/2018/12/343/victory-is-near-spygate-is-timed-to-blow.html

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          • anniefannie says:

            PDJT should call Chuck and Nancy back for a White House meeting in the Oval. At this time, he can show them a few snippets of what he has. He can then inform them that they will be going to the WH Briefing Room and that they will have the opportunity to speak first. At that point, they can jointly announce that FULL FUNDING for the wall will be included in the budget resolution and they will both urge their members to provide their full support during the vote. If that scenario is not amenable then the alternative scenario is to share these snippets with the American people. TRANSPARENCY—take it or leave it!!

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            • Dutchman says:

              No, I don’t think he will trafe snippets of this info, for yhe wall. He can get wall funding, using politics.

              This is for if/when they try impeachment. If/when Mueller ‘issues’ his report, assuming he doesn’t self destruct, Rudy will issue VSG’s report on Mueller, getting new chapter titled “Flynn”, even as we speak.

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          • fleporeblog says:

            Post of the evening Gunny!

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          • Proud American from Texas says:

            At some point, it seems like a second Special Counsel needs to be named to shut down outrageous Dem investigations. Like IRS can’t submit tax returns due to SC investigation. Likewise, “I can’t answer that question due to SC investigation” should be the mantra.
            Goose/gander effect! Screw em!

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            Because if done the wrong way, our country would become non- functional.

            PDJT needs to pick a key domino to knock over and start the chain reaction because these bureaucrats/politicians are first and foremost—to quote a super smart and sophisticated fellow—“WEASELS” …..

            and weasels–particularly the 2 legged species–by nature aren’t pack animals they are completely self-centered.

            A weasel will “better deal” himself at the first chance.

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        • lemmus1 says:

          “To be honest, I don’t know.” flep
          …best post of the day

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      • Sharon says:

        “The rot is so deep and wide that exposure could truly damage the country…”

        More than continued concealment?

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      • Donzo says:

        So the idea is the doctor should not prescibe a treatment because he’s afraid that if he tells the patient she’s riddled with cancer and it would be too upsetting. Please. If you’re gonna die, at least go out fighting. This “we can’t tell the people” nonsense isn’t designed to.save the country from chaos. It’s designed to save the perps from justice. Let the chips fall were they may and may justice prevail.

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        • SalixVeridi says:

          Bingo. TY

          We must “tell the people.” Absolutely. We are grown ups, we can take it. Hiding and shielding criminals from their crimes is immoral. And if we care that this country survives and thrives, we must go forward, out the bad guys and let the good guys take over.

          It must be done.

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        • Armchair Quarterback says:

          👍👍👍👍

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      • jeans2nd says:

        There are two Mike Rogers. One is a Republican Representative from Michigan who retired from Congress a few years ago. Rep Rogers was involved in the Benghazi coverup – his wife was a contractor in Benghazi, iirc.

        The second is Admiral Mike Rogers, USN, recently retired, who was Director of NSA and Cyber Command.
        Admiral Rogers is the good guy.

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    • E, ROBOT says:

      By getting it out, we can heal, otherwise it will fester and our country as we know it will be no more.

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    • fleporeblog says:

      That is why I will never ever be able to forgive Jeff Sessions! He could have been the one. I can’t blame our President for his disdain towards Jeff Sessions.

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    • Rf121 says:

      Well, he has to make a decision soon. 2020 is on the line. Where is Dan Coates in all this?

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    • Uncompliant says:

      Really? If this all comes out, “.. our country will be on the verge of a revolution.” That is bull***t. Fear mongering of this sort enables those who want to keep this all secret. I know you are popular on this board, but seriously, stop spreading nonsense like this.

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      • fleporeblog says:

        I am entitled to my opinion! You are welcome to disagree. Just do so respectively.

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        • joeknuckles says:

          I’ll respectfully disagree. If we continue on the track we are on, this country will not survive in it’s current form. Unless we want our grandkids to live in a world ruled by global communism, something needs to be done about this crap. The first step is to admit we have a problem. The second step is to face it head on.
          Expose everything immediately, let the chips fall where they may.

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          • zorrorides says:

            Joe, the millennials understand it now. Ask them to describe politics with globalism working over the USA, they’ll tell you “The Hunger Games”.

            And the heroine archer, shooting those deadly arrows, is one DJT.

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          • Good grief, slow the roll. It IS coming out, a little at a time. Methodically… as if some Very Stable Genius knows what the blank he is doing with his Presidency.

            I swear, instant gratification is an infection, and yes… I suffer from it as well. But not where the future of our nation or what OUR President does is concerned. Not now, not ever.

            I am trusting Donald J. Trump. Period. I’m certain he’s smarter than ALL of us here!

            Oh, and plus… he’s actually President. 😀

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            • mimbler says:

              It is coming out so slowly no one is noticing.

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              • Bull. I know people that once mocked me over the bush crime family things I told them who have come 180 on that and “nwo” etc. I discussed with them who are now well aware of the same things those posting here are!

                So, I say Bull! in a friendly way. It truly is coming out, and some of the best sunlight being spread is by the insane leftists mocking President Trump over the things like “Obama tapped my wires.” plus his myriad tweets otherwise.

                Our President is his own national media network. Think back on the free coverage he got while running!

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            • Avi says:

              if he knew, why did he hire Sessions and Rodentstein? why did he let them appoint Muller? why didn’t he fire Müller as soon as we found out that the nazi was staffing it with Der apparatchiks? Trump is great but not omniscient.

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            • Bastiat says:

              One can read comments like this as passing the buck. Trump is a human, not a god. This is your country as well as his. Trump is not going to save it all by himself. I get that everyone loves the man, but this deification is quite ridiculous.

              I mean seriously, why would you think POTUS would want zero political pressure to release this stuff? Oh, don’t worry about it, Trump’s got this! These people are more damaging than the Eeyores, IMO.

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        • Uncompliant says:

          Sorry for the sharp tone.

          But there is no evidence that a revolution would start if it is “all exposed.” First, the left has heard it from POTUS early on in 2017. Essentially, POTUS twitted: “I was wiretapped.” The left said “Liar” and then moved on to “You deserved to be wiretapped.” No revolution will come from those folks over abuses of 702 search queries.

          Those on the right believed POTUS when he said “WIRETAPPED” and yet there is barely a whisper of discontent, let alone a “revolution.” More details is not going to change anything.

          Further, in today’s world, revolution is stoked by Fake News creating mass hysteria. The Fake News will not create mass hysteria over abuses of 702 queries. It does not fit the Narrative and the Fake News benefits from the abuses.

          Third, revolutions do not spring up over complicated far-away legally nuanced abuses of data base searches which allegedly violate protections written in an amendment to the the constitution about which most people are never taught and of which they have little knowledge or understanding. Joe Sixpack is not rioting over 702 query abuses because Joe Sixpack doesn’t know what those are. Joe Sixpack is not even going to riot over “wiretap abuses.” Revolutions start when you raise the tax on petrol.

          The idea that a revolution will start if “it all comes out” is nonsense. It is an idea meant to pacify the Trump supporters and those that love America and would not see her harmed.

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          • fleporeblog says:

            I appreciate your post and believe me you make valid points. I believe our President has things he wants to take care of that are more important to him. Getting a trade deal done with China 🇨🇳 that protects our intellectual property and creates a level playing field is his number one priority. Getting the EU to bend its knee and do a trade deal would be his second priority.

            The decision by the Judge last night on Obamacare is his third priority. The fact the SC announced they will hear the DACA case makes Immigration and everything that goes with it his fourth priority.

            Getting North Korea 🇰🇵 to denuclearize is his number one priority when it comes to foreign affairs. Getting Iran 🇮🇷 to be liberated by its people is his second priority. Getting a peace and working agreement between Israel 🇮🇱 and Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 plus the other GCC countries is his third priority.

            The issue with the DS would come after all of that. He understands that if the DS comes before anything I referenced above, none of those things could happen.

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            • Avi says:

              he can’t accomplish anything if he is impeached or if Herr Müller arrests Junior

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            • Deplorable_Infidel says:

              “I believe our President has things he wants to take care of that are more important to him. Getting a trade deal done with China 🇨🇳 that protects our intellectual property and creates a level playing field is his number one priority.”

              Our President realizes that it takes more time to REVERSE the bad deals done over the past few decades to benefit ALL Americans than it takes to start indicting and rounding up the traitors.

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            • mtk says:

              That is all provided trumped up charges don’t take the Presidency down.

              Sorry, flep. The Eeyore in me is pissed off tonight.

              Though I’ll put it to you this way.
              Start with an observation, I believe you can identify with.
              The DS, whether you call it wall street, globalistist, political elites, uniparty or the club we’re not in, have been in control for upteen decades.
              Agreed.
              At what point, does the question become, if you where them, how does fear of exposure become a tool to achieve the ‘stragetic patience’ goal. What must collapse, and more importantly, how to go about it.

              Maybe, that is the fear being expressed.

              Ever stop to think, this may all be a manufactured conspiracy. Uhmm…
              the very defination of counterintelligence in my book.

              Twenty plus trillion…
              At a minimum a 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Rath of God money anyway it is sliced or diced.
              Just begging for a solution, heck these DS folks have started wars over who gets to pick the peanuts out of poop over less justification.

              Just saying food for thought.

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              • fleporeblog says:

                They wouldn’t have waited this long because the damage is not going to get reversed. They keep pushing it and he will win in a landslide in 2020. They never envisioned how much he has done in such a short period of time.

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          • CNN_sucks says:

            Good point.

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          • ABN says:

            The main problems with exposing the rot would be collapse in confidence in US institutions worldwide. But all large nations have a similar problem because they all have similar databases. If PDJT exposes abuses in our database, he can and should frame it as a worldwide problem. Then he can expose enough of what happened here and punish enough of the perps here to satisfy enough people that the US is doing all it can while at the same time recognizing the situation is all but universal and very difficult to fix.

            In the end, a more robust anti-corruption framework for access to the database is all anyone can hope for. Following public exposure of the problem, PDJT can put that framework in place while being open about what is needed and why. This will have the good effect of making the public aware of the unavoidably dangerous reality of these databases while also recognizing that we have to have them because if we don’t others still will.

            To be very brief: Spy technology cannot be stopped but how we allow access to its databases can be better controlled. PDJT would do well to publicly recognize both the domestic and worldwide nature of this technological reality.

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        • 🍺Gunny66 says:

          Uncompliant.

          We are not saying nothing will be done. But like the old saying goes;

          “We don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water”

          It just must be done in a manner which quite frankly is above our pay levels.

          Because we do not possess the information the President has.

          However your post is rude and impolite.

          For you to say those kind of remarks actually invalidates your argument

          You should familiarize yourself with the posting guidelines.

          “Seek first to understand. Then seek to be understood.

          So your comment to Flep……is “irrelevant”

          So ……….Bless Your Heart…..

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          • Good job Gunny, appreciated by many I’m sure. I’m buying the next round. 😀

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          • Bastiat says:

            Almost every day, Trump tweets to try to get his base informed and angry at what is going on in the world. Then we have people here saying, “Don’t worry, Trump’s got this, he wants us to sit back and watch him take the deep state on by himself.”

            Why doesn’t anyone else seem to see the problem with that? If it weren’t for the cultish behavior of some of these people, I’d be convinced they were gaslighting us.

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            • E, ROBOT says:

              Trump isn’t doing it by himself. He has our support and needs to feel our support. That’s why he does rallies. Send him some positive energy to help. He does have the game under control.

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            • I urge people all the time to become more active, especially locally where they can do the most… I see a few others do the same once in a while as well. I guess you haven’t read through the entire thread here either, where I have already stated once “Don’t relax.”
              You can sort out the rest if you care to. It’s here and easily found.

              No one is culting or gaslighting here, but plenty are Eeyoring and Concerning to the MAX.

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          • Uncompliant says:

            Dear Gunny — sorry, but sometimes rudeness and impoliteness are necessary.

            Further, rudeness and impoliteness do NOT invalidate an argument. That suggestion is nonsense, like saying 1 + 2 doesn’t = 3 if you say it rudely. Further, what you are demanding is servile behavior and conformity to YOUR notion of how to speak. And frankly, it is plain from your post that you are being quite rude yourself. The words may read “Bless Your Heart” but the obvious sentiment is much uglier.

            So ……….Bless Your Heart…..

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            • Uncompliant says:

              Further, politeness has been weaponized by the libtards. It is deemed “rude and impolite” to mention, for example, that the founder of Islam married a six year old and then began raping her when she was nine. HOW RUDE to mention this, they say.

              Now, according to the logic of claiming the argument is “invalid” if the argument is “rude and impolite,” … well, I guess the discussion comes to an end.

              Plus, insisting on the invalidity of “rude and impolite” statements allows for some lovely censorship. Not only shall we ban “hate speech” but also “rude speech.” After all, as a good libtard will tell you, words are violence.

              Libtards are also insisting upon some false hierarchy of values where Kindness is Everything. This sort of sentiment leads to weakness.

              So, yeah. Bless your heart.

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        • Iamcat says:

          I know how you feel Fle, but it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Half the country knows, and we can’t live knowing this crime went unpunished, especially if keeping it secret causes President Trump to be impeached. We Americans have been thru worse, it may be hell in the streets for a while, but we will be better for it in the end.

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          • Remington..... says:

            Iam….I’m not terribly sure half the Country knows, or to what extent. I think that number is high. I suspect that half the Country does not want to know. Ignorance is bliss. People who DO Know wish they didn’t. – not sure what to do with the info. ‘ Not sure we have the same hard bark on ourselves as the unarmed
            citizens of France. A revolution would be to ….inconvenient….waay to many parties to be missed.

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      • lemmus1 says:

        …I understand flep’s point but on the other hand, we’re on the verge of a revolution right now, imnsho …the stats say I’m far from the only one buying a lot more ammo …it’s not because I’m a collector

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        • I disagree. Look how useless any amendment is if it isn’t USED.

          The 2nd, most of all. There have been evils foisted upon this nation for 150 years, and not once has “revolution” broken out. Most people don’t even understand or likely even care what it is the international banksters puppets in the swamp are doing, as long as the chains placed upon them are light enough to wear to the Stupor Bowl and they still have beans on the table and a boat in the driveway.

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          • lemmus1 says:

            …yes and no …the American revolution never had more than 3% of the population under arms at any time …and we threw out more loyalists than that after we won …”Most people” don’t make a revolution …”the few, the proud, the brave” are the ones that do …and I’m a flyboy, not a Marine, they just have better marketers 🙂

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            • Such different times lemmus1, so very very different. “Ordinary” farmers, etc. were the 3% then, with well to do men to lead them.

              I don’t think we need to figure it all out today though, because according to what I’ve seen President Trump does have a plan and has been busting backside what, 14-16 hours a day since he came down the escalator?

              How any of us whine about what ISN’T yet done at this point, is astounding to me!

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    • TexasDude says:

      It’s already out; most people do not care.

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      • Proud American from Texas says:

        The New Jersey rep. Cicciline, adamantly denied there was any FISA abuse on Fox News. The female show host called him on his claim. He was spitting and sputtering in his follow on denials. That is their story and they are sticking to it. They have to for their own survival.

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    • Flep, President Trump knows he HAS to destroy these evils, people are whining about nothing being done, but it is being done. Every day more people become slightly more aware… is twitter weaponry is amazing and the moronic leftists and enemedia are disseminating the information for him. Often, same with murdoch’s faux news chan.

      It’s GOING to happen. We all know there is no “waiting for deep state to kill deep state”.

      We here, all know he knows everything, much moar in fact than ANY of us do… it’s our job to help prepare people imo, and get busy assisting in any other way possible.

      The task is the greatest restoration ever attempted before, global in scope while rooted in our FAKE government, and the only thing that will ever stop these bastards. He didn’t run and take office to lose this war. Just imagine the spooks Trump has had from day one behind him. 😉

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    • Flep- how can anything our President Trump does about this mess be any worse than the criminal abuse that we the American People are being subjected to by the thugs with guns, badges and law degrees?

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    • Deusvulture says:

      I buy more into the leverage position. But if not enough comes out of that all bets could be off..

      The rule of law as in the constitution will stand no matter how much of the government fails. If FBI and DOJ fail local law enforcement will hold it up.
      SCOTUS could still rule. Worst case is the military has to step in as they have to uphold the constitution too. Balanced by militia and the 2A

      Of course markets will crash and people who don’t understand will blame Trump.

      Could it put the union into question? Hmmm…

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    • AModerateMan says:

      I remember watching video of Shiff walking at a turtles pace to go see the abuse. I thought… what a weakling.

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    • Will Hunt says:

      There will be pain for our country but thinking that the current path of least resistance is a free lunch is incorrect.

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    • Armchair Quarterback says:

      Unfortunately we need to accept that this surveillance state will not be ended without a revolution!

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  6. Vor Daj says:

    “The United States intelligence community, writ large, will likely never allow the structural abuse of the FISA-702 system by the Obama administration to surface. Consider it a third rail of unspoken agreement. A similar motive for the DIA to keep the Flynn file under wraps. “

    So we certainly now know who our rulers are as – Of, by and for the People – has become – Of, by and for the ‘Intelligence Community” and their Axis of Evil partners the FBI and DOJ. And with the DOD’s DIA now with them, the Axis of Evil now has a fourth member, the DOD.

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    • E, ROBOT says:

      You really believe the military want globalism and turning us into the Borg?

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      • Vor Daj says:

        If not then the DOD can get control of its anti-American, anti-American people, anti-Trump SOB DIA.

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        • lemmus1 says:

          …the DIA is far more in bed with the NSA and CIA than they are with the DoD

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          • Good point, and spot on.

            Our TROOPS are not down with globalism. I know far too many of the youngest to the middle-aged guys coming back from their final tours in the ME mineral and drug mines that are ready for action, here at home.

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          • Vor Daj says:

            “DIA is a national-level intelligence organization that does not belong to a single military element or within the traditional chain of command, instead answering to the Secretary of Defense directly through the USDI.”

            So it is under the command, and subject to the orders of, Secretary of Defense James “Mad Dog” Mattis, whom President Trump recently said he thought was more of a Democrat..

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      • Vor Daj says:

        Resistance is futile. All bow, both men and women, to our Borg Overlords, the High Court of Humpty Dumpties! They have declared a tail is a leg, so a dog must have 5 legs after all, despite what that old fool Abraham Lincoln said.

        Trump is too red, white and blue for their Borg Hive Collective. Once you see that, and it has become glaringly obvious, everything else falls into place.

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    • We can only hope says:

      And the alternative is that a small group of Progressive deep staters control the executive branch from this point forward. The Republic will not survive. Therefore, the only option is to expose it all and flush the system.

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    • Not really. “deep state” is owned, literally, by the international banksters that own the feral reserve, handed over willfully by woodrow wilson to even their own amazement. No one even mentions the “shadow government”.

      Our President knows this and has let that cat out of the bag long ago. Please, see the video above I posted.

      The Man Knows, and has American Steel Balls. He has already begun taking moves against them, with every tariff, with the death of nafta, etc. etc. etc.

      Don’t relax. Join Team Trump and do your part locally. 😀

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  7. L4grasshopper says:

    A likely reason why this never gets exposed is because it has been happening for a long time, and senior members of both parties knew and/or directed it.

    What the corrupt FBI and DOJ did related to Trump was not new. The only aspect that was different was that the target was a Presidential candidate, and then President. They got away with it after his election because, bluntly, many in tne GOP were, and are, part of the Resistance.

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  8. bgood says:

    Sure am missing Sundance’s Micky. love that little dude.

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  9. iwasthere says:

    This has the ring of truth and understanding under my admittedly dated knowledge of the way ‘it’ works. As you know, Sundance, you left out the YUGE, five eyes loop hole to the 4th Amendment, Brits can spy on US citizens – but can they use the database? – who knows, but probably.

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    • CountryDoc says:

      So If we have no restrictions spying on foreigners, do foreign countries have restrictions spying on us? What protects us from that? And is the five eyes loop hole such that we can have friends in Britain or Australia spy on U.S. citizens without restriction, perhaps based on a phony “national British or Australian threat”?

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      • TestName7 says:

        U mean surveillance or spying?

        They have been here (on soil) for a decade at least. Probably many decades.

        Think quid-pro-quo with no restrictions.
        It’s self evident. Wouldn’t you do the same?

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  10. Zorro says:

    It appears to me that numerous persons, even Donald J. Trump, have had their 4th Amendment rights violated. If only there was recourse under our judicial system.

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    • Vor Daj says:

      We seem to now be living under CIA/FBI/DOJ/DIA rule. When it comes to liberty and justice, we have gone, and rather quickly, from the Shinning City oh a Hill to something the Founding Fathers would not even recognize as being remotely American.

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      • This is life in the international bankster world of chaos. Only if any of the Alphabet (actual) companies employees go against the owners would there be ramifications.

        Leaving all these evil anti-American “Americans” to their own design. Destruction only aids the one world fascism of the banksters.

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  11. Mary Tucchi says:

    So who are we voting for in 2020? Obviously not Captain Twitter. His inaction is an insult to the people who voted for him.
    Rand?

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  12. Bernard Vanasse says:

    I hope the right people are reading your excellent work .I want to see Warner examined under oath .

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    • Stickboy says:

      “I hope the right people are reading your excellent work .I want to see Warner examined under oath”

      I don’t see what difference that would make, it doesn’t seem to matter how many of these bastards are exposed in their lies under oath. Nothing is done about it, just the never ending assurances that “Trump’s got this”, or “Just wait till after…whatever”

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    • Dutchman says:

      I WANT to see Warner waterboarded,…
      But wishes/horses thing, ya know?

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  13. Christine says:

    I note Sundance has retweeted Kim Dotcom’s tweet today with comment, confirming the Five Eyes spy on each other’s citizens, and share the Intel, with FISC being critical to this.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1074059733898878976

    I’m still waiting for Dotcom to reveal the evidence he says he has, proving it was Seth Rich who gave the DNC emails to Wikileaks! (The assertion is that his MegaUpload system was used for the huge data transfer).

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    • Bastiat says:

      Kim Dotcom is a con artist. Everything he says and does is to increase his own brand by elevating his importance.

      Most people don’t seem to get that you can be still be scammed with truths.

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  14. GB Bari says:

    The key information thgt Sundance presents here (and has previously poresented) is that the fabricated Dossier and the abuse of the FISA 702(17) searches are simply examples of the abuse of the system that were inadvertently exposed to sunlight due to the election of President Trump.

    As Sundance writes,
    We do not know how exactly many FISA-702 violations took place prior to NSA Mike Rogers initiating the full FISA-702 review in April 2016. [There were thousands during the period reviewed by the compliance audit] Nor do we know who the insider FBI individuals were; or what results were passed on; or what was done with the results.

    This is the realization that is the motive behind the Deep State’s extreme efforts to keep this information from ever reaching sunlight. Should any quantity of that historical information be exposed, along with the history of what would have potentialy been illegal actions taken by the DOJ in previous cases, the Deep State’s grip upon this nations governmental power would be compromised.

    While THAT would be a positive step in the eyes of most of us Deplorables, we could well be left temporarily without a functioning federal LEA or at the minimum, be thrown into some serious legal and dangerous chaos for a short period of time. I don’t know if our current President has developed a plan for the mass removal of a large number of LEA officers and high level personnel, and their immediate replacement.

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    • Sherri Young says:

      You can start here.

      https://www.dps.texas.gov/texasrangers/

      We are a heavily policed country. There are lots of people who have lots of skills and law enforcement backgrounds. It is not as if we would have to start from scratch.

      Besides that, it seems that the rot is concentrated in the National Security Division. The whole DOJ and FBI would not need to be blown up.

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      • GB Bari says:

        Yes, Sherri, we know that there are very capable men and women LEOs out there who could potentially assume many of these positions. However the case knowledge that will be lost even from corrupt officials who are terminated could substantially compromise unknown numbers of cases and unknown numbers of innocent people.

        That would not deter me from terminating them but, without careful and methodical planning – which is difficult to keep completely hidden from internal knowledge – it introduces significant risk of unintended consequences.

        We do NOT know at this time that the “rot” (corruption) is limited to DOJ-NSD. We absolutely DO know that there is some severe “rot” in the FBI, and that the institutional “rot” probaby began and remains in the CIA, but how many positions are affected is yet unknown. It is hopeful (and possible) that somone in those agencies has a Santa’s List showing who’s been naughty or nice.

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    • I find it incredibly hard to believe that Donald J. Trump, President, came into office and was caught off guard about the massive scope of evil the swamp is. The man has literally been inside the mechanism for most of his life, knowing damn near all the “players”.

      He’s ready, when WE ARE imo.

      Who’s been building and repairing the Southern border wall? Corps of Engineers?

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      • GB Bari says:

        THC, DJT never spent any time inside the federal government in the way you imply. Certainly not in the DOJ, FBI, nor the White House.

        He had to interface with local governments for his real estate deals and projects. But he never spent time inside the government, especially in any positions where he would interface with hundreds of government high officials, and see the vastness of corruption and the extent of chicanery and perfidy in which those people willingly engage every day to advance their careers or purposefuilly damage someone else’s.

        He was a billionaire, world-traveling real estate developer, the star of his own TV show, and manager of a beauty pageant. He was not an industry lobbyist who wrote bills for Congress. His reputation for making deals and managing big lavish development projects prompted some in Washington to call upon him to provide expert witness / opinion on certain aspects of laws that they were considering, but not much else.

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        • GB, he’s known all those people forever. You nor I were ever inside the fake government either, but haven’t you know how corrupt and evil it is at least since traitor ghw bush gave his infamous “new” world order speech from OUR oval office?

          I knew, or felt it, long before then since I was nothing but a lad. I’ve researched and read so much it makes my head hurt still… President Trump knows, knew, and came to do the job he told us he was coming to do, which was drain the swamp and end the false song of globalism for America.

          Those two things said it all. He knew the extent of all of it, only a rube wouldn’t have, and a rube would never have actually one in an electoral college slam!

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          • Jayne Gilmore says:

            No, President Trump even admitted it was a lot worse than we thought, but that he’s still got it, not to worry. He said this during the long period when the first OIG report kept getting postponed. We were all waiting with baited breath, only to be disappointed each time.

            In a recent interview he stated that it’s dirtier, uglier, nastier than anything he’s ever run up against. He’s surrounded by enemies from his own party, heck, the entire world is against him. At least the economic polices are taking hold that is proving his policies are working no matter what his enemies say. Praying for stealthiness to beat all deepstate evil and all globalist NWO enemies. Amen

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        • Sherri Young says:

          He had to be the one to appear before a congressional subcommittee to explain to them that the tax law they had passed that taxed revenue rather than income was destroying developers who were already locked into contracts.

          (Nitwits.)

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          • That is a hell of an example that proves my point Sherry, thank you for posting it!

            For decades, our VSG has been “inside”, and not at all liking what he was seeing.

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            • Dutchman says:

              DJT ‘s FATHER loaned his plane, to Barry Goldwater, so he could fly to (I think it was) Maine, in order to get his name on the ballot there.
              That was early in B.G.’s campaign.

              Later, when B.G. had his OWN campaign plane, it was bugged,….
              By the FBI.

              But he has,admitted the one thing that surprised him, was just how backstabbing, etc. it was in d.c.
              Made New York real estate market look like choir boys, playing on a,playground, by comparison.

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          • GB Bari says:

            Yes. I recently saw an old video of that. He was great, a private citizen lending them his financial expertise and experience with bad laws and regulations.

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    • WSB says:

      Sundance wrote this almost one year ago. It is an exceptional read. And may be why everyone in Washington wants to take Bin Salman out of the picture.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/29/imagine-you-are-not-a-politician-yet-you-are-running-for-the-presidency/

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      • GB Bari says:

        Yes I read that at the time. The “parallel” intel system…
        While that may be absolutely true and real, I don’t think DJT knew the name of every traitor in the DOJ, FBI, State Dept, other kep agencies, and certainly not all of the corrupt administrative people who infested the White House staff or who were sidling up to him and pretending to advise him for his benefit…

        He had to learn much of that on the job (“OJT”). But PDJT is a fast learner and has pretty good instincts. I believe he has learned “volumes” beyond what he knew two years ago.

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        • CountryDoc says:

          I agree. Do you think he told Admiral Rogers, “Thanks” and never spoke to him again? Where is Rogers now? What is he doing? Who helped Rogers find out? What are they doing. How many patriots are there still backtracking to uncover illegal searches and trace them to national events dating back to assassination of Kennedy, attempt on Regan? Takedown of NASA, and countless other suspicious events. How many searches occured after discussion with people connected to the FED, or clintons, etc.?

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        • I agree with that assessment, GB, and surely hope that isn’t what you took away from my previous comment. Hell, I bet half the traitors don’t even know the other half at this point.

          You see what I meant otherwise though, I hope…

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      • What a great reminder. I wonder just how much a key figure in the campaign that people liked to rail on about had to do with the intelligence orb aspect…

        You know, he was too liberal, too young… too… never mind.

        He sure made a lot of unannounced visits there.

        just sayn.

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  15. meow4me2 says:

    I would dearly love some medieval style Justice. Just execute them and put their heads on pikes all around D.C. as a warning to any other deep state swamp creatures. It would be gruesome, but it would send one hell of a needed message.

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  16. twingirls (@twingirls49) says:

    We know everyone on the 7th floor of FBI is corrupt. We know senior DOJ are corrupt. NSA, CIA all corrupt. Who initialed the coup?

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  17. Mo says:

    The 400 lb guy in his bedroom.

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  18. Litlbit2 says:

    Merry Christmas Sundance.

    Just love this.

    “Again, to repeat, there are differing FISA rules for use of the NSA or FBI database depending on the originating intelligence compartment.”

    Then there are the investigators, representatives, judges, departments etc that hourly decide to uphold or violate the rules. To date only violators all others AWOL.

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  19. spoogels says:

    FBI Releases Key Steele Dossier Document

    The document, first reported by Politico, asserts that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled the dossier, was working “on behalf of private clients” in his investigation of Trump’s possible ties to Russia. His dossier contained “highly politically sensitive information,” according to the summary.

    https://www.dailycaller.com/2018/12/15/fbi-steele-dossier-trump-comey/

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    • J says:

      If the FBI released it hold it up to the mirror and read that Steele was NOT working for private clients. And “his” dossier contains absolutely nothing politically sensitive. It’s totally MI6 duck feathers and candle wax and puppy peepee. MI6 signature on the explosive devise is the peepee.

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  20. Apollo says:

    I just hope something comes of this. Some real consequences and real change. It is ALL laid out beautifully, here and on some other select blogs, but unless there is action and legal consequences against the perpetrators, unfortunately, nothing will change.

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    • lemmus1 says:

      …I’m at the point where “legal consequences” is no longer a restraint …I’ll be perfectly happy with “consequences” as long as they are public and painful to the perp

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  21. Mike says:

    Enough already. We know who what where when why and motive.

    Spygate isn’t spygate, it’s end your four amendment because government has nothing better to do. Concerning Obama, he’s elevated Chicago politics onto a national scale using national security assets to accomplish supporting Hillary and the DNC.

    End the patriot act. No good has come of it.

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    • Vor Daj says:

      The so-called “Patriot Act” might as well have been named by Orwell himself and would make even Joseph Goebbels blush. Well, I guess it would be more like put a smile on his face, a great big smile. But then with so many people deemed guilty until never proven innocent, how could it not?

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      • CountryDoc says:

        I wonder what the details of the Patriot act are, and who brought it to Bush? Who designed it? How long was it being prepared? Was Bush aware of how it would be used?

        Was that kind of technology available before? I suspect it has been available for a long time. We just had to make the “permission” more visible, in order to go after Terrorists after 9/11. Or maybe 9/11 was allowed and set up in order to make spygate possible…

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Check out the movie: A Good American

          Documentary about Bill Binney and it’s interesting what he was able to determine in the 60’s by simply monitoring undecrypted radio traffic PATTERNS and other data points (i.e. metadata) to predict adversaries’ actions.

          With the technology that is now in place……
          Well Google and it’s brethren are as close to omniscient as God

          And that technology is right in your hand:
          That smart phone in your pocket wherever you go……….. IS YOU.

          The government didn’t have to force this on us…..we gladly and knowingly took it.

          We got Candy Crush and Facebook
          The government got US in return.

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  22. joeknuckles says:

    Since the whole reason we have this massive surveillance state is to watch all the suspected terrorists we keep allowing into the country, why don’t we just round them all up and send them to Gitmo? Then we can send all the deep staters there too, so they can keep an eye on them all up close and personal.
    We can then destroy the surveillance apparatus and scatter it in a million pieces.

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    • Joe- the terrorists won. Just look at what has happened to our Country as a result of all this never ending quest for “safety & security”. We have to take off our shoes and sometimes our clothes, plus get frisked to go on a damn airplane. Ever word we write, every phone call is being recorded somewhere. At any time even the most rich and powerful can be unlawfully searched, arrested and have all their assets seized without due process.

      Benjamin Franklin once said: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety..”

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      • The real terrorists have been in the swamp for many, many decades… all is not lost.

        With krooked killery, it would have been causing much blood being spilled to be the only way to even try.

        We aren’t there at this point, and I pray we never are. But, I’m ready on my end too.

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      • Michael Todaro says:

        Taking off shoes at airport is a largely overlooked invasion. Millennials are 100% ignorant of a time when you could board without being, scanned, scoped & groped by morbidly obese TSA “minorities”, who steal & get jollies. One inbred, genetic mutation (Google the shoe bomber) caused billions and billions of shoe removals. The religion of peace? Now they are in the USA congress. Where is Charles Martel when we really need him? MAGA/KAG !

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Great post Seneca!

        And it highlights the importance of all of this.

        Average Joe will most likely never be affected by having his digital footprint logged.

        Unless Average Joe runs afoul of the Surveillance State and people in power.

        The last 2 years are the first real “stress test” of the System of the Surveillance State as little by little the nefarious ways it’s been used has been exposed.

        (There is no better indicator of this than the State’s inability to give a simple straight answer as to what started the “Russia investigation” and when it started)

        Trump’s victory was the disruption that initiated the “test” but what was done TO Trump by the Surveillance State (pre and post election) WAS NOT UNIQUE and not limited to our borders.

        This test MUST break the System.

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        • Krash- what I find absolutely terrifying is that even the wealthiest and most powerful (like President Trump, Gen. Flynn, Manafort, et al) are having their most basic CIVIL RIGHTS trampled upon by scumbag Government Bureaucrats/ Deep Staters, Herr Mueller and his Stasi.

          It that can happen to them, imagine what can happen to us. The ordinary, non-aligned citizen doesn’t have a chance.

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  23. thegoosefish says:

    This used to be known as “The Big Ugly” until it became obvious that it would occupy the dustbin of history. Now it is know as “The Never Happened” also know variously as “What Never Happened.” Let it go people, there is no investigation, nothing is happening. You are wasting your time.

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  24. apfelcobbler says:

    So one question is, did any of Steele’s info come from American sources?

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    • Dutchman says:

      Wow,….REALLY?
      IMHO, its painfully obvious it ALL came from American sources; nellie and several others, that took verifiable facts, which they got from 702 queries.

      Using them as a scafgolding, of framework of truth, they then draped a web of lies on the framework.

      Like, FACT; DJT was in Moscow, for miss universe.
      Lies, while staying at X hotel, he hired hookers to pee on a bed Obama had slept in.
      When attempting to verify dossier, you CAN verify the fact, can’t verify the lie, but it COYLD have happened,,since DJT was there. The fact gives versimilatude to the lie.

      THERE WERE NO RUSSIANS INVOLVED IN PREPARING THE DOSSIER.

      sorry, but do you get it?

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        The Micheal Cohen in Prague story from the dossier has always been at the forefront here.

        Cohen said he never went to Prague on those dates (substantiated by his passport) and was in fact visiting colleges in San Diego with his son.

        Theory was that a 702 query was run on “Micheal Cohen” and they got a “hit” on the wrong Micheal Cohen–one who did visit Prague.

        Of course……..that was BEFORE Micheal Cohen saw the error of ways, found God (A,K.A the SDNY prosecutors) and now has set about “healing America” with his heroic sacrifice.

        I have a feeling he will soon tell a story about how he sneaked into the Czech Republic via California,
        ….followed by a Hollywood Blockbuster about the operation starring George Clooney as Cohen and of course Alec Baldwin as DJT.

        Stormy and Avenatti will star as themselves

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      • apfelcobbler says:

        Unfortunately “painfully obvious” isn’t good enough. But if there were even just one source that could be proved, that would be enough.

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  25. trapper says:

    Every time I read something here another nugget pops out. It’s like finding shells in the sand. So, the latest:

    On page 87 of the FISA Court opinion: “The improper access granted to the [–] contractors was apparently in place [——–] and seems to have been the result of deliberate decisionmaking. … [—] access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding entered into [—]. Despite the existence of an interagency understanding (presumably prepared or reviewed by FBI lawyers)…”

    The contractors were not FBI contractors. They were related to a different federal agency. The FBI had an “interagency memorandum of understanding” with that other federal agency, a written agreement between FBI and that other agency describing the process for that other agency’s contractors accessing FBI information.

    My questions are: what is that other agency? Let’s see that memorandum of understanding. Who signed it? When? Was a seemingly innocuous other federal agency used as a cutout to hide access? Is there a record of Fusion GPS or its people having any relationship with any other federal agencies? Crowdstrike? Hmmmmm. Whose wives work where? Oh, and while we are at it, let’s see the full unredacted Compliance Report the court cites to.

    I suspect this other agency is the missing link.

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  26. apfelcobbler says:

    Steele is being sued in NYC and Miami.

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  27. spoogels says:

    Former FBI Supervisory Special Agent Robyn Gritz has asked SaraACarter.com to post her letter to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan in support of her friend and colleague retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn,

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-15/former-fbi-ssa-exposes-mccabe-muellers-unethtical-target-destroy-coercion-tactics

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  28. Sherri Young says:

    From Reason Magazine in 2006:

    “REASON: How scrupulous is the general culture of the NSA about avoiding spying on Americans?

    Tice: As a signals intelligence officer, kids who go right out of college and work for the NSA, this is drilled into you, especially when you’re young: You will not do this. This is number one of the NSA’s Ten Commandments: You will not spy on Americans. Even after you’ve had all those introductory briefings when you’re a new employee, for the rest of your career, at least twice a year they call you in for a briefing, and this is always covered. “You will not do this,” they shake their fingers at you. “If you do this you can be thrown in jail.” And all of a sudden you find out the people who’ve been shaking their fingers are doing what they’re telling you is against the law and coming out with some cockeyed nonsense excuses for why everything’s OK. It’s sort of like having your parents drill it into you not to smoke cigarettes or do drugs or whatever, and then after you’re a good little boy coming home from school at 15 and finding your parents out on the balcony doing all that.

    Fear rules the day right now. For the most part, people know, NSA employees know, that this is wrong, that this is illegal. In many cases they feel betrayed by their own leadership, by [former NSA Director Gen. Michael] Hayden, [NSA Director Lt. Gen. Keith] Alexander, and by [Deputy Director] Bill Black.”

    https://reason.com/archives/2006/01/13/inside-the-puzzle-palace

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  29. redline says:

    “…DOJ/FBI/Fusion-GPS collision…”

    This was conspiracy to commit and conceal sedition, by the highest officials in 0bama’s administration, across many departments; by thousands of entrenched 0bama and Clinton executive-branch appointees; by scores or hundreds of justices, judges, and other Judicial branch bureaucrats; by dozens of elected democrat and uniparty senators and representatives and their unelected staffs; by the hrc campaign; and by the entire dnc.

    A crime of the highest perfidy ever witnessed in recorded history.

    And thanks to an aggressively supportive media working hand-in-glove, 24/7/365, with the uniparty/dnc, and a completely somnolent American public more interested in snapchatting their cats and instagramming their shoes than in getting off of their couches and voting our great President the Congress he so desperately needs and so plainly deserves, the crooks will likely get away with ALL of it.

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    • lemmus1 says:

      “A crime of the highest perfidy ever witnessed in recorded history.”
      …methinks Brutus might just disagree a wee bit, maybe …just sayin’
      …this has been done before …and by much better villains

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      • J says:

        Perfidy can be calculated by measuring the distance between the standard and the deed. The problem for the USA is that the standard is “exceptional”…..the highest. Other countries don’t aspire to the ideal.

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  30. pnj01 says:

    Trump is in charge of the entire Intelligence apparatus; so, he needs to punish those who tried to destroy him. When a rat jumps at your throat, you need to destroy the rat because he (or in Hillary, Sally and Samantha’s case: she) won’t stop until she rips your throat at, and also destroys your family and anyone associated with you..

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    • Vor Daj says:

      Trump must battle the fascist leftists boldly on all fronts and at all times and at this he must not flag nor fail. He must never succumb to the siren call of the fascist leftists propaganda ministers that will permeate the television waves, nor to the cowering fear of the GOPe to do battle. He must not bargain with the fascist leftists and their propaganda ministers and gutter rats. He can not reason with them as the fascist leftists and their gaggle of lying lackeys and deranged dingbats will grant no quarter to him and if they can, they will destroy him and his family and all of America without remorse.

      Trump must follow the fascist leftists to the inmost recesses of their minds and make them fear and dread the very sight and sound of him. with only an occasional drug or alcohol induced respite in between their waking nightmares as their day of final reckoning approaches. Trump must make them howl.

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    • lemmus1 says:

      …that’s the real reason the SC was appointed …anything Trump does can and will be construed as an obstruction of justice …it’s literally a “get out of jail free card”

      … the thing is, I think Trump knows a bit more about playing ‘Monopoly’ than the bureaucrats

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  31. Sherri Young says:

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  32. chojun says:

    I have a feeling that Strzok and possibly Page were placed on the Mueller team by McCabe as moles in the Mueller investigation.

    Rosenstein appointed Mueller; Rosenstein and McCabe are not on the best of terms (to say the least). McCabe is the nexus of SpyGate in the FBI.

    I think at some point Page flipped (not sure yet what triggered her to flip). I think her phone not turning up for a year after she left the Special Counsel is an indicator to me that her phone was secretly entered as evidence in an investigation into SpyGate before it was wiped and returned.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      I don’t think there is any evidence that Lisa Page did any more than attempt to keep her own ass out of jail for McCabe’s sin of GETTING CAUGHT leaking and then GETTING CAUGHT not being “candid” about it.

      The recent IG Report……..I think it was called:

      “Oops We Deleted the Text Messages of Page and Strzok….Oh Well”

      Put it all to bed nicely.
      End of story.

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  33. James Street says:

    “The United States intelligence community, writ large, will likely never allow the structural abuse of the FISA-702 system by the Obama administration to surface.”

    I believe President Trump will bring it to the light. It’s who he is.

    As a businessman he would rather spend more in lawyer fees fighting a frivolous lawsuit than settling for the offered amount. First of all because it just invites more frivolous lawsuits. But even more, he loves the fight.

    “My main purpose in life is to keep winning. And the reason for that is simple: If I don’t win, I don’t get to fight the next battle.”
    – Donald Trump, “TRUMP: Surviving At The Top” page 13, published in 1990

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  34. juniper55 says:

    Sundance, is there anyone from Congress who has been willing to meet with you or receive your work? Anyone in the press? I am losing hope anyone will ever see justice for all these crimes.

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    • Dutchman says:

      This site gets 100,000 views, I BELIEVE it was posted, daily?
      This may seem like a friendly little chatroom, but a LOT if people read what Sundance is posting, and YES, our comments.

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  35. juniper55 says:

    Or even Trump and his admin, for that matter. I am really losing hope.

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  36. Iamcat says:

    Sundance, can the supremes step in and end this thing?

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  37. dave casper says:

    Evil has won, for now.

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  38. TestName7 says:

    So now maybe you realize why no one even admirals speak up (even if they stopped things which I am still not convinced).

    What’s the point?

    For kicks and giggles, this actually supports a small part (though I utterly disagree that people can’t handle it – that is another ploy and fallacy – I would know) of the alphabet dead ender’s theme (broken clocks are easy to make)… so what now (rhetorical).

    It’s all about power anyway. Astonishment at a new way to shuffle cards is nothing That hasn’t been seen before.

    – I’ll restate:

    We all agree people are extremely comfortable and not concerned by the hour what their government does; meanwhile holds them all at <20% approval of duty.

    Who in their right mind thinks there will be a breakdown in society to learn that a large portion of them are extremely (generous) corrupt.

    The polls say otherwise.

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    • Dutchman says:

      “O.k., citisens of the United States, prepare for a real SHOCKER;
      Your Government is Corrupt.
      The Government can spy on citisens, and RUIN them.
      The Media is complicit.
      The DOJ and FBI are corrupt, crooked bastards, only interested in feathering their own nest.”

      “So, o.k., enough of the ‘background’, telling me what I already know, when do we get to the “SHOCKER” bit?
      Gotta say, your attempt at drama is a little ,…BORING!”

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  39. Dutchman says:

    Just saw a documentary, part of it covered the,….liberation of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from the USSR.

    It was called (I THINK they said) the ‘singing revolution’. They didn’t have yellow vests, and they didn’t smash windows or burn cars,..or ‘riot’.

    After over 50 years of cold anger, they simply joined hands, and sung their National anthem. 10’s of millions of people, across 3 republics of the USSR (formerly countries) stepped out of their doors, linked arms with those they encountered, and sang.

    Damndest thing, that. Footage looked like the migrant caravan, but it just went on, for mile after mile.

    The USSR withdrew, without firing a shot, apperently.

    WE aren’t near where those people were: just as this was an attempt at a “soft coup”, we are under a “soft” attempt at a socialist takeover.

    All is not lost. Not yet. And even if it were lost, it CAN be recovered.
    Just ask the Lithuanians, Estonians and Latvians.

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  40. TestName7 says:

    Someone downthread is bound to ask about “audits” and how “we must get those public”.

    We can’t even get records of FBI interviews public (these are pencil and paper – I know, I sh!t you not).

    So you can basically blow off any title VII junk. I would say ‘get real’ but it’s more of like ‘if you can’t spear a cow how are you going to rack a deer’.

    Plus: there is all the stuff about deleted “unauthorized” records, section whatever invomplience deletions, “auditing was never built in to the system” …. you know. Junk like that.

    And it worked because most have no clue what they are talking about.

    It’s probably surprising (yes surprising, I did not mean “not surprising) to know that they are not that smart (and no, not stupid, NOT stupid).

    I use “smart” sparingly/euphemistically cause the older I get the ratio met decreases with each handshake.

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    • TestName7 says:

      So many of these things are held under lock and key.

      In an ideal criminal case both sides have access to all evidence and there is discovery and it is who can present the best case to the jury and the judge.

      If it so happens the prosecutor comes across something that might benefit the defense or heaven forbid REDACTED REDACTED, he is obliged to present it to at least the court and/or defense.

      Why?

      Why is he obliged to?

      He is obliged to because the purpose of courts is to bring ORDER to society; to hopefully convict the guilty WHILE extending EVERY effort to not convict the innocent.

      That is what the citizens pay for is it not ?

      There are other words for things that knowingly convict when circumstance would do otherwise.

      Enter the State

      No discovery.
      Things don’t exist (unless they are incriminating then believe me they will find them somehow).
      Court minutes are submitted for ends; means be damned.
      The people have no recourse (FOIA can take how ever long they wish it to).

      I am not saying there are not things that should be kept close to the heart, but that is one of the reasons we have judges and place so much trust in them.

      Please mark this comment as spam for I am growing weary

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  41. Admiral Rogers must surely be one of PDJT’s trump cards should he need a viable witness in these shenanigans. My wish is that the admiral copied disk drives of info like Snowden did, but I’m sure he’s much too honest for that kind of carry-on.

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  42. Eastender says:

    As usual, a well laid out article in language easy to comprehend by those of us totally unfamiliar with the way things are supposed to work within our government. Thanks Sundance for your thoroughness and hard work.

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  43. WSB says:

    I hope no one minds me reposting two posts I have over at the Presidential thread. While this may or may not have to do with 702’s as Flynn’s case may be different, my thoughts are about the court system surrounding it.

    WSB says:
    December 16, 2018 at 4:04 am
    Does anyone else find it just too convenient that Comey suddenly appears on footage admitting that it was his idea to send the two agents over to interview Flynn? Judge Jeanine commented last night that the Mueller team does NOT want an appeal on the Flynn case.

    Is this a coordinated effort to ease out of this case? Is Sullivan a fixer for the Deep State’s bad cases?

    Something is not adding up.

    Nicole Wallace from MSNBC just happened to be interviewing Comey at such a timely venue for this tidbit to surface prior to Sullivan’s Tuesday response?

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey-admits-decision-to-send-fbi-agents-to-interview-mike-flynn-was-not-standard

    I have not researched anything yet, as this possibility just popped into my head, but does anyone remember on Sullivan’s other cases if there were any repercussions for the attorneys involved with the Stevens’ case?

    WSB says:
    December 16, 2018 at 4:51 am
    Something else is starting to connect dots for me. I could be wrong, but Contreras was pulled off Flynn’s case a year ago. No explanation. This comment from reporting at the time has always stuck out to me:

    “According to a court filing, U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, who presided over a Dec. 1 hearing where Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his contacts with Russia, will no longer handle the case. Court spokeswoman Lisa Klem did not say why Contreras was recused, and added that the case was randomly reassigned.”

    “…added that the case was randomly assigned.”

    There. Why would anyone go out of their way to make sure EVERYONE knows this is RANDOM?

    I do not think this case was randomly reassigned. I am starting to think that the heat was so great on Contreras, after finding the texts from Page and Strzok, that resulted in “Collyer, we have a problem.” So, either Collyer or Roberts moved the case.

    Because this was the FISC, Mueller thought he could wrap this up and no one would know the better for it. Throw away the key. But things were starting to come out and Flynn’s situation was starting to flip the table on his own case.

    How random would it be that Sullivan happens to be the lucky straw. Also, why move the case from a FISC? [This is still in the sentancing phase. Isn’t Sullivan on the Appeals Court?]

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/31/why-was-judge-recused-muellerflynn-case/

    So, now I am starting to believe that Sullivan is where the deep state goes to kill off cases that need to die. If that is the situation, and there is similar history on other cases Sullivan is so famous for, this is systemic and a lot of other fixers are part of this undergound injustice system.

    This isn’t just pulling one judge off a case for a conflict of interest, this [may be] redirecting the case to a particular judge to guarantee the necessary outcome.

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    • J says:

      Wow WSB! Really sharp deductive analysis. I always ask this question of unsolicited revelations (like “randomly reassigned”)………why are they telling me this? Always question.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      Actually, I remember Justice Sullivan as being a no-nonsense judge involved in several other cases the last 10 years where I feel justice was finally accomplished. He does not let the noise of attorneys distract him from the case in front of him. He rules according to the law. Of course, there are most likely a whole bunch of judges with that last name.
      PS: I hope he tosses Mueller in jail where no one likes him on Tuesday for twice ignoring direct orders to turn over evidence to the defendant and the court.

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      • WSB says:

        As has been posted on CTH, Sullivan has a lot of bluster many times just enough to let the news cycle rinse, and although some cases have been thrown out, my question is to see if there are patterns of specific cases being thrown to his bench.

        Do these other cases have a similar pattern of Friday deadlines over weekends with strategically placed publicized information used as signals for a ruling the next week, and then no blowback for the attorneys and prosecutors who bring these criminalized cases just to destroy people?

        I believe Ted Stevens’ case was one of those.

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    • railer says:

      Yes, Deep State can blatantly cause events to occur, including judicial assignations. You can tell Roberts doesn’t want Trump taking any notice of judicial actions, as he piped up recently, and Trump swatted him back down. I’d guess that both of these men know what’s taking place, and used that exchange as proxy for the real conflict here, which is these dirty courts falling under Roberts’ purview.

      This is another reason for Trump to slowroll any counterattack on Deep State. He can potentially appoint judges to replace existing judges who have been going along with these crimes, and it’s best he not stir the pot too much as long as that process is engaged.

      Like you, I’ve long been suspicious at these intermittent document releases that undermine the Swamp and Deep State, yet are undoubtedly released by the Swamp and Deep State. They have a purpose, and my guess is that they inform all conspirators and participants and drive next actions in the coverup. It has become publicly known that Wolfe, McCabe, Strzok and Page are compromised, and this ensures that the next 2-3 tiers up are going to hang together and cut the cord on these individuals, while protecting them as best they can, as they’ve successfully done with Wolfe.

      It’s probably all going as best as it can right now. They can’t remove Trump, which was their goal. With 20-25 R senators up for primary in 2020, there is a near zero probability that the Senate can get to 67 votes to remove him. However, the conspirators can and must continue the coverup, and that occupies them and keeps them away from other nefarious activities, which is a positive. Time is not on the conspirators’ side. If the economy continues to improve, and Trump’s approval rating continues to rise, he’ll be reelected easily. Meanwhile, the conspiracy will continue to unravel, in the slow, measured way that is the only way to confront these monsters.

      I’ve always felt that Muh Russia was as big a distraction and hindrance to Trump’s enemies as it was to Trump. Once the existential threat to Trump was removed, as it seemed to be many months ago, the burden began to fall more and more onto the conspirators. They’re struggling with this, despite overwhelming media support for their narrative, which doesn’t seem to be moving public opinion much at all.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      does anyone remember on Sullivan’s other cases if there were any repercussions for the attorneys involved with the Stevens’ case?

      Yes.
      The Democrat Demotion

      Andrew Weissmann was tongue lashed, then “demoted” to the DOJ’s Fraud Division then degraded further by being hired by Mueller’s Special Counsel’s Office.

      https://observer.com/2015/01/in-andrew-weissmann-the-doj-makes-a-stunningly-bad-choice-for-crucial-role/

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  44. RAC says:

    Thank you Sundance, that is the best explanation I have seen in all the time I’ve been reading here, have saved the whole page.

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  45. Pyrthroes says:

    Drawing Gangrenous/Clinton’s abstruse chicanery and legal-schmegal obfuscations into a Black Sheep’s three-bags full supplies a singularly valuable reference.

    Given officialdom’s sea otter-like entanglements, this succinct and focused overview might even prove of use to current floaters on DC’s rolling tides.

    We don’t pretend to parse all this in detail. It’s enough to know that SD’s on the case.

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  46. Dena says:

    All I know Is President Trump said in his speech that, they were taking this Country back for us. And that we would be protected by the great military. So I trust Trump! No other President has ever said anything like this and he said it in front of the World. Trump must have a plan and this girl is trusting Trump!

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  47. Tim Holden says:

    The attempted coup has not yet succeeded, but it continues. The President has demonstrated the moral strength to resist it, but he simply has not had the political strength to defeat it. MAGA’s objective surely includes dismantling the massive corruption evident in the American bureaucracy – it’s once-great departments of Justice, State, and enforcement of Law that the course of the attempted coup has proved to be riddled with cynicism and lawlessness. The upcoming year, 2019, is the only time in which such a task can be performed.
    Two years of office have been needed to expose the extent of the swamp. Should the swamp remain intact going into the election year – as it remained intact for the midterms – MAGA will not happen.
    Apparent majorities in House and Senate during the first two years of the presidency were an illusion. The President’s focus on ensuring a sanitized Senate majority tells of a determination to establish a firm foothold for the MAGA agenda, and Ryan’s inevitable feeble and duplicitous surrender of the superiority in the House demonstrates why the strategy was so targeted.
    There is only a year to do this. It must begin early in the year if it is to happen at all. If it’s going to happen it will be well-planned. The Night of the Long Knives is no more than a month away.

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  48. snellvillebob says:

    After a lifetime of observing human behavior, I suspect we evolved from the initial Patriot Act (Grrrr)
    to where we are today following normal human behavior.
    A month or two after the Patriot Act was passed, I read a couple of articles about training seminars for FBI personnel on how to describe a suspect as a threat to national security, thus a terrorist, thus giving a reason to bypass a FISA court and look directly into his metadata.
    They were caught so someone came up with the idea that we have our allies look at our criminals and we would look at theirs, reporting back to each other without going thru the FISA courts. This is called Five Eyes or FVEY with members Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
    This most like worked well for maybe a year until people on both sides began cheating, altering data or charging for it. Also increasing number of search requests could put upward pressure on budgets making it awkward to use. Additionally, the arrogant intelligence community could not pressure, threaten or isolate foreign government employees easily and without making such behavior known to politicians, creating entirely new complications.
    So they created Fusion centers and 15-20 small companies were created by friends of the intelligence community such as Fusion GPS, Boze Allen and Crowdstrike. These people could access the NSA and more files thru the 702 articles saying they were “navigators” and reduced the costs for the FBI, DOJ and others.
    Possibly one of the reasons they might have been cost effective is they were also selling access to wealthy individuals and organizations such as Hillary, Podesta and Soros. When you see Hillary pay $10 million to an 8 person operation such as Fusion GPS, one can imagine just how lucrative this market is.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Reminds me of this scene from the movie SE7EN (Seven)

      Somerset: For years, the FBl’s been hooked into the library system, keeping records.
      Mills: Assessing fines?
      Somerset: No, monitoring reading habits. Certain books are flagged. Books on, say, nuclear weapons… “Mein Kampf”. Anyone who checks out a flagged book has his library records fed to the FBl.
      Mills: Wait. How is this legal?
      Somerset: Legal. Illegal. These terms don’t apply.

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      • snellvillebob says:

        Funny that I deliberately never used my library card after the Patriot Act, which gave the FBI that information, was passed.
        Am I paranoid of checking out the wrong book?

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  49. frjas says:

    This is so discouraging and I admit to being crestfallen. We are living quietly (for the time being) in a rogue, lawless State! I would like to know, is there some reason why I shouldn’t just throw up my hands and say, “to hell with it?” Every day I’m becoming more and more convinced that there are only two options left: capitulation or bloodshed. Clearly, voting for independent, national minded candidates is not working. The corrupt is too deep and the populace too brainwashed or distracted. Somebody here, PLEASE give me some hope to grab onto or I’m eventually going to join a cloistered religious community and hunker down with my gun, breviary and Bible.

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  50. Bogeyfree says:

    To me the DIA document that Soloman spoke about is the easiest way into the whole 702 discovery and is a head scratcher for me as to why PT does not order the release of just this document?

    If true, it would exonerate Flynn but more importantly bring huge awareness to all the spying done and would lead to questions and hopefully looking back at earlier spying.

    In essence IMO it would be the first domino to fall that shows their true plan of corruption and spying to use as a weapon against American citizens

    For example go back and look at releases of the 702’s from just 2008 – 2013. Way before PT got into the race. My guess it would show a pattern of spying before there was any possible Russian Collusion. Then note who was spied on and I think you will find your answer why so many conservative voices changed their stripes virtually overnight.

    IMO once you show during those earlier years a pattern of obuse, it is an easy step to show and prove the spying done from 2014 – 2017 was labeled Russian Collusion just for cover.

    IMO no one would work this hard, involving so many people and agencies trying to hide things and protect leadership if the past was not deep, dark and dirty!

    PT has the opportunity to expose it all and wipe out this cancer and save the Republic. He mentioned something to the effect it could be too horrible for the people to take.

    Mr. President, the people can take it and want this exposed and frankly are counting on you to expose it all now! This IS your George Washington moment and your supporters will go to the wall for you and for this but they need you to yell charge first!

    Please Mr. President, expose the DIA document and let the first domino fall.

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