Understanding FISA-702(16)(17) And How It Was Used in 2016….

Consider this an addendum “break out” thread, a reference of sorts, to help prepare people for the upcoming week and discussions about FISA-702.

We’ll break down the term: “ FISA-702(16)(17) ” into the elements that will help you make sense of this story in the future.

  • FISA – Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
  • 702 – An American caught up in the process of Foreign Surveillance
  • (16) – A search query based on “TO” and/or “FROM”
  • (17) – A search query based on “ABOUT”

Again, to repeat, there are differing FISA rules for use of the NSA or FBI database depending on the originating intelligence compartment.

If a search is conducted from an intelligence compartment within the U.S. government whose objective is to ensure “National Security” there are different FISA rules than a search from an intelligence compartment not engaged in “National Security”.

The DOJ has a “National Security Division”.  Their compartment rules on FISA searches and reviews are different from the DOJ “Civil Rights Division”.  There are 30 DOJ divisions.

The FBI (a department within the DOJ) has a Counterintelligence Division that focuses on terrorism threats etc.  A FISA search from within the Counterintelligence Division has different rules than a FISA search from the Science and Technology Division.

So, We Begin: FISA searches can be conducted on any foreign person without issue.  All non-U.S. citizens on the entire planet can be searched 24/7/365 no issues.  FISA searches on foreign people have no restrictions at all.

However, when the FISA search returns data identifying a U.S. citizen, everything changes. Those changes are under the identifying term “702”.  A “702” is an American person.

All U.S. citizens are protected by the fourth amendment against unlawful search and seizure. All searches of U.S. people must have a valid reason.  Title III says any search for a potential criminal investigation must have a judicial warrant.  Additionally, any criminal search of the FISA database must also have a warrant (technically, ‘approval’).

Any FISA searches of foreign subjects, might need FISA Court approval if the returned data includes a U.S. subject (“702”).

However, When a FISA-702 search is conducted based on the need for “national security” no approval from the FISA court is needed.  Search away.  If the FISA search is because of a “vital national security interest” the resulting search data can be opened, and all ‘upstream’ connections explored, without seeking permission from the FISA court.

♦A “FISA-702(16)” Search Result – would be a search result of the FBI (counter terrorism) database or NSA database that returns an American person as a result of a “To” or “From” (16) type data search.

EXAMPLE: Querying phone data (phone number)  TO: Operator BadGuy or FROM: Operator BadGuy  – might return a list of phone numbers that also contains an American persons’ phone number.  That American person is protected by the fourth amendment.  To look at the “upstream” connections of the American Person to other people, likely more Americans, the search operator would need to ask permission of the FISA Court to review the upstream results.

[NOTE: *Exception* – the search was vital to national security. If so, the upstream phone numbers could be reviewed without asking FISA permission.]

♦A “FISA-702(17)” Search Result – would be a search result of the FBI (counter terrorism) database or NSA database that returns an American person (702) as a result of an “ABOUT” (17) type data search.

EXAMPLE: Querying everything in email ABOUT: Mohammed BadGuy – might return communication of an American who wrote a letter about Mohammed BadGuy or maybe he told a friend in a text to check out a media story about Mohammed BadGuy.  To look at the email or text of the American, the search operator would need to ask permission of the FISA Court to see the email/text content.

[NOTE:  *Exception* – the search was vital to national security?. If So, the email and text could be looked at without asking permission]

November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702(17) “About Queries”, returns from searches, were identified by NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers, being conducted by the intelligence community (FBI), by “contractors” and “individuals” for reasons that: •were unauthorized; •were directly related to U.S. persons; •and had nothing to do with National Security; •and were conducted by people who did not request FISA Court Approval.

Director Mike Rogers discovered FBI contractors doing FISA-702 “About Searches” that resulted in returns providing information on Americans.  Those results were passed on to people outside government.

Pg 83. “FBI gave raw Section 702–acquired information to a private entity that was not a federal agency and whose personnel were not sufficiently supervised by a federal agency for compliance minimization procedures.”

(2017 FISA Court Opinion – 99 Page Brief)

Someone inside the FBI was giving FISA-702 search results on U.S. individuals to a private entity that had nothing to do with government.   Those 702 (American Citizen) results were not “minimized” and exposed the private data of the American citizen(s).

In addition, NSA Director Mike Rogers, who is also in charge of Cyber Command, discovered people within the intelligence community were doing “searches” of the NSA and FBI database that were returning information that had nothing to do with “Foreign Individuals”.

Rogers requested a full FISA-702 Compliance Review.

As an outcome of that review, the DOJ/FBI compliance officer noted FISA violations. Again, the FISA Court (page 84):

We do not know how many FISA-702 violations took place prior to NSA Mike Rogers initiating the full FISA-702 review in April 2016.  Nor do we know who the insider FBI individuals were; or what results were passed on; or what was done with the results.

However, given the nature of what was taking place at the time (March, April, May, 2016) it appears likely this was part of the DOJ/FBI/Fusion-GPS collision to gather information on the candidacy of Donald Trump.

CTH received a tip that Fusion GPS (either ‘individuals’ or the company) were one of the “contractors” mentioned, additionally the “private entity” could also be inside the Fusion GPS network.  Another “contractor” could possibly be CrowdStrike.  From all appearances there were multiple people involved.

These ‘passed-along’ FISA-702 raw search results appear to be the seeds which were fertilized by Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacobs, Nellie Ohr; “unmasked” by Obama administration officials; and enhanced/laundered by Christopher Steele – to end with a “Steele Dossier” returned to the FBI via Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok, DOJ Deputy Bruce Ohr, and DOJ/FBI lawyer Lisa Page, for their “insurance policy”.

The DOJ and FBI then took the dossier, full circle, back to the FISA Court to gain 702 surveillance authority and approval (media says ‘warrant’), upon the Trump Campaign (October 2016), and President-Elect (after November 8th, 2016).

In October 2016, immediately after the DOJ lawyers formatted the FBI information (Steele Dossier etc.) for a valid FISC application, the head of the DOJ National Security Division,  Asst. Attorney General John P Carlin, left his job.  Carlin’s exit came as the DOJ-NSD and Admiral Rogers informed the FISC that frequent unauthorized FISA-702 searches had been conducted. Read Here.

All research indicates the intelligence information the DOJ and FBI collected via their FISA-702 queries, combined with the intelligence Fusion GPS created in their earlier use of contractor access to FISA-702(17) “about queries”, was the intelligence data manipulated by Nellie Ohr, and laundered by Christopher Steele for use in creating “The Russian Dossier”.

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114 Responses to Understanding FISA-702(16)(17) And How It Was Used in 2016….

  1. kinthenorthwest says:

    TY Sundance—so much information. But I will say that I ma starting to understand the web that Obama and his people wove by stuffing and/or getting our governmental agencies to work and cover Obama and his people.
    Don’t think I will ever fully understand but due to you I at least see how America has been duped for so many years.

    Liked by 16 people

    • lizzieintexas says:

      Very well said kin. I am in the same boat. I just keep reading and little by little I absorb a bit more each time. I am going to come back to this post tomorrow a.m. and reread with a rested mind. It has already made things clearer though.

      Liked by 8 people

    • Guy Bee says:

      All these meetings at the WH? No mention of Varjar? Something is haywire here. Anyone looked into how Varyjar’s connection is to any of the combatants? I bet there is a deep connection with one or two of the primary suspects. They did NOT come up with this on their own, independent of the WH. Impossible


    • Tony says:

      He is on the wrong path when it comes to “Outside Contractors” It IS NOT Fusion GPS or Crowded Strike
      There are 5 nations with access to the NSA data base
      Remember this :Judge Napolitano Suspended from Fox news.


      Lets ask a few questions.
      WHAT is that data base’s main purpose ?
      ANS: Seek Terror and external foreign threats

      Who could we make an argument for that would allow giving access to this meta data ?
      ANS: A foreign Intel service with a history and a strong relationship ( We know 5 for sure)

      If my analysis is correct and i bet it is . A lowly Company like GPS and Crowded strike would never in a zillion years be given access. Additionally the Gang of 8 would also have to be a party with knowledge if these 2 companies did have access. ( No leaks yet )

      I MAY BE WRONG: But from following this Reporter ( Sundance) U rock !! It is very unlikely Fusion had permissions. BUT I will allow for this, Samantha Power had 205 “About Queries” done with her credentials and she has testified she only made 5 of them. There is room for them inside that mess.

      My guess is Fusion and Strike and others are the 3rd parties who got access to the data.

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  2. simicharmed says:

    “”November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702(17) “About Queries”, returns from searches, were identified by NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers, being conducted by the intelligence community (FBI), by “contractors” and “individuals” for reasons that: •were unauthorized; •were directly related to U.S. persons; •and had nothing to do with National Security; •and were conducted by people who did not request FISA Court Approval.””

    ANYBODY who did this should be immediately arrested and charged! PERIOD! That is the way the Justice System is supposed to operate! You violate the law, you get arrested, jailed and then “phone calls” and “bail” is next in play! If you believe you are innocent then you can opt for a trial, etc..

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  3. NYCTH says:

    so, when do the top lines get turned red?

    Liked by 3 people

  4. Bob says:

    When are they going to stop all the drama and Kabuki theather. There is enough evidence in the public domain to convict the whole lot of them from Obama….down to Bill Ayers and all in between.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Newt Love says:

      Bill Ayers did not have a clearance sufficient to part of this band of thugs. You might want to limit the scope of your accusations.

      The rest of Obama’s sycophants who did his bidding to out do Richard Nixon at domestic political espionage will go down, even the UN Ambassador Samantha Power who averaged more than 1 unmasking [702(17)] per day. No wonder that she said it wasn’t her that requested all of those unmaskings! So, who did Samantha Powers give her TS network username and password to? That is a felony in itself!

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  5. freq says:

    702 invocation had clear constraints… until they were ignored… this has been going on for years… deep state makes me sleep warm and happy… how about you?…

    Liked by 4 people

  6. Seems to me that in the Demwit brain, stopping Trump from being elected was “vital to national security” and therefore all surveillance of Trump was, in their fevered minds, perfectly legal.

    Liked by 6 people

    • lastinillinois says:

      These people don’t know “legal” or “illegal”, they only know ‘get power and maintain power by whatever means necessary’.

      Liked by 5 people

      • Guy Bee says:

        The DemocRAT mind is simple. They have the sovereign right to rule. No one else has it. Therefore, whatever has to be done to hold on to power is acceptable and defensible. The DemocRAT rule book is Alinksy’s Rules for Radicals. Lie, obfuscate, misdirect and most of ridicule. You see it in everything they do. This is but one more war in the skirmish. When these RATS are dispatched, another 10 will take their place. The swamp is a breeding ground for radicals who can justify treason, espionage, law breaking, coverups, and any other illegal activity, with impunity, because they are the sovereign power. They are the ordained leaders of the global economy which has no borders or boundaries.


      • marywilbur says:

        Exactly. You got it right.


    • MVW says:

      That mindset fails if it was used on Romney too… Which I suspect it was.

      Liked by 5 people

    • Michael says:

      God save us from committed self appointed do-gooders.

      Liked by 7 people

    • zimbalistjunior says:

      i agree. i think thatll be their final stand– that it is a question of interpretation: while Rogers may interpret the searches as non-vital to national security, we interpreted it differently… i mean, hey what can be more vital to national security than vetting the guy who will be holding the nuclear button
      of course, that doesnt explain why these same people intentionally botched the email server investigation..they could have indicted hrc and still had time for someone else (ie bernie) to run against trump…to that, of course, theyd reply that they couldnt trust bernie to beat trump–that the us would have never elected a pinko–so we had no choice but to exonerate hrc and have her run against trump

      and then they’ll say—look at trump’s year in office. we were right to fear his election! look at his nuclear button tweet, his charlottsville comments about ‘two sides’ etc…he is a menace! we knew he would be, so we tried to thwart his election–we are heroes!!

      and if they went with the above line of bullshit, 30-40 percent of the country would buy it, and even march and protest on their behalf…


  7. MAGA Combover says:

    There were more than a dozen candidates still vying for the GOP nomination between November 2015 and April 2016. I’m betting more people than just Trump campaign officials were caught up in these 702 “About Queries”. I wonder if that is why Rand Paul is threatening to filibuster the re-authorization of 702.

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  8. EggsX1 says:

    if a “national security” or “vital national security” issue allows you 702 access as well as upstream access without need of a warrant – isn’t it predictable that the Deep State would, in the end, offer this as the justification and legality for their queries? (e.g. there was a “vital national security” reason for the queries – Russian collusion in an American presidential election – what isn’t more “vital”!)

    I don’t think the white hats would be able to easily address this defense without having to get into the weeds and thus lose the media war.

    So who defines what is a “national security” or “vital national security” justification for 702 searches? Has this warrantless spying on Americans “loophole” also been addressed in the latest FISA re-authorization?

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    • fleporeblog says:

      You are forgetting that Devin Nunes last March said what he saw that was unmasked had absolutely nothing to do with Russia! If he decided to put Barron Trump in an About or To and/of From query, what the hell does that have to do with National Security. Don’t for one minute think they didn’t investigate Barron as well.

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      • NJF says:

        For all their scheming, that didn’t count on Trump winning.

        My guess: the only reason the didn’t retroactively scrub everything is because Adm Rodgers already knew it all, so plan B was to damage Trump enough via media attacks.

        The problem with plan B is that Trump is smarter than they are.

        I can’t wait for Trump’s post presidency book

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      • EggsX1 says:

        Russia is just one example to justify the searches – Money Laundering, Bribery, Corruption, Tax evasion investigations – these are all possible excuses that could qualify as “vital national security” reasons to do a 702 search especially when it comes to any person running for or in political office.

        Who decides what is “vital national security”? How is/are the decider(s) held accountable to what they classify as such? Can a politicized classification lead to any criminal consequences? How can you determine if it was a politicized decision anyway?

        Here is the Deep State hypothetical defense – We did 702 queries on Trump because of Russian collusion (the media has convinced half the population already). 702 queries on Rand Paul because we thought he was being bribed. 702 on Romney because of tax evasion. 702 on Ted Cruz because of money laundering/corruption. etc. Now each searched 702 subject has to defend against the search accusation and the 702 searches are “justified”. The Deep State can sully their political opponents and justify their illegal spying at the same time. The media will carry their water.

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        • zimbalistjunior says:

          exactly…sadly, this is no slam dunk as of yet


        • fleporeblog says:

          Won’t work! The media can carry whatever they want but a court of law will be the one that determines their fate.


        • Kent says:

          movie…2001…behind enemy lines….based on true?

          An Admiral….a Task Force Commander…was dismissed due to unapproved access of intelligence assets?


        • JoAnn Leichliter says:

          I do not think it is legal to use these data bases for criminal investigation. That would rule out using fraud, money laundering, tax evasion, etc.


          • Eggs says:

            Just add “with a foreign (Russian/Chinese/Israeli) agent” to any of these accusations and now you have a double whammy – the accused are criminals and traitors – and it makes the spying legal as long as it was considered “national security”.

            Wouldn’t money laundering and tax evasion with Russia/Ukraine be a national security issue (Manafort)? Manafort was “directing” a presidential campaign. For liberals, it seems easy enough to justify spying on the Trump campaign. Throw in Papadopoulos and the myriad of other campaign people that talk with foreigners (which is everyone in every campaign) and anything can be justified.

            Do you really think the media will report the spying angle when the accusation is so much juicier. Media — “The [spying] FBI/DoJ was ‘investigating’ Romney (or some other GOP politico) for tax evasion (or some other salacious criminal accusation) with a Chinese (or some other country liberals want to go to war with) agent!!! The [spying] FBI/DoJ thought he was hiding his wealth off shore with foreign agents!! How dare they arrest these [spying] FBI/DoJ agents; that is obstructing justice because we really need to look into these allegations against Romney!!!”

            No spying will be mentioned; the accusation will suck up all the air time. Rinse and repeat with every 702 search subject.

            This is why an unaccountable FISA/NSA is so dangerous – who is watching the watchers? As Lynch showed, a political AG can quash any prosecution of black hats. People can be spied on, accusations thrown at them to cover the investigators illegal activity, and it’s the spied on who get their reputations ruined because they were ‘under investigation’.

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    • Thecleaner says:

      You would have to show a Court that your National Security threat defence was justified.
      This is where Steele comes in. They knew they were busted by Rogers, so they needed to show a justification for the queries.
      Once the dossier was given to Steele, he then gave it back and took credit for it. This allowed the fbi plausible deniability. They can now say that they were being tipped off to an imminent threat. The fbi needs no fisa authority to do 702 searches in those circumstances. They then claim that the dossier confirmed the tips they had previously been given, and use the dossier to get fisa to authorize the continued and future surveillance.
      It is my understanding that the fbi can use 702 for national security without first getting authority, but do require authority at some point…meaning they dont have to wait to get the authority before beginning, but still must bring it before the fisa court at their earliest convenience and advise that the surveillance is taking place and why, and provide their evidence for doing so….in this case, the dossier provided that “retroactive” evidence that they needed after being busted by Rogers.
      Everything became “legal” was fisa authorized the surveillance based on the false affidavit given in support of the dossier by the DOJ/FBI and how it came into their possession.

      Liked by 1 person

    • CaptainNonno says:

      Also, shouldn’t there be a record requirement when this I’d done? Otherwise everything can be shrouded in ‘National Security’ rational.


  9. Minnie says:

    Thank you, Sundance.

    Liked by 3 people

  10. covfefe999 says:

    Sundance, this is extremely helpful. Everything you have written has been. It’s so great to read or watch the news and have a fairly good depth of understanding of this incredibly complex and smarmy scandal! I feel very well educated, have more to learn but thank you so much for all that I have learned here thus far. There are few other places where I could have learned it, and I don’t think anyone else would have summed it all up as succinctly as you have.

    I would love to go out on the street and interview Trump haters. I would ask them if they recognize the names Clapper, McCabe, or many others. I would ask them if they know what FISA stands for. I would also ask them questions about DACA and ask them who decided that Jerusalem should be declared the capital of Israel. 🙂

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  11. MVW says:

    I don’t like Romney, but I see nothing that would say that Obama did not use the same illegal spying on the Romney presidential bid using government agencies. I think Romney was mugged, maybe even blackmailed to throw the election.

    Evidence of this would really blow the DhimmiRats to pieces. Two presidential races??? Try justifying that!

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  12. fleporeblog says:

    This gentleman who is a former advisor of our President’s campaign says there were hundreds if not a thousand people associated with our President that were illegally picked up using the 702 (16) and (17). There is no way in hell HRC or any other POS can use that BS narrative that they were concerned about our country and didn’t have any other reason to be involved! They will all hang and Hillary will be proven right when she said they would had our President won!

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    • Trust Michael Caputo; I know him.
      Worked with him on Carl Paladino’s NY Gov campaign.
      He’s been around and is reputable.

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    • PJ Ranger says:

      They probably queried Michael Cohen’s name and up came some of that raw intelligence that a Michael Cohen was meeting with some Russians in Prague. Then they gave that information to Steele to put in his dossier. Only problem was it was the wrong Michael Cohen.

      Liked by 5 people

    • jello333 says:

      And why would they stop with just the people directly working inside the campaign? Why not also spy on those who were working hard to assist the campaign from the outside… maybe through the use of research at a website, maybe through crowd-sourcing lead by a brilliant leader.

      Yeah, what I’m saying is: Might not some of us HERE at CTH been spied on? I won’t flatter myself to think that I, personally, would be one (I didn’t do enough to earn it)… but there are quite a few others who would, especially of course Sundance himself.

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  13. John says:

    Sundance – the court order has some requirements for the FBI to report back to the FISA court with more information about the violations within a certain time period. Do you know if the FBI responded to the court outside of asking for more time to comply.

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  14. Randy Seaver says:

    Do we know what Rod Rosenstein was doing while all of this is going on? Was he in DOJ? In which division or office?


  15. Moose Otto says:

    Sundance when you republish an article for the second time , good ethics dictates that you indicate such and if there is an update label the update


    • covfefe999 says:

      Seriously? You’re really going to focus on this?

      Liked by 5 people

    • Kent says:

      Repetition is how we learn…if it’s only published once it’s forgotten by the next football game by most of Americans.

      I care about this situation a whole lot but I cannot remember everything on one reading…or two…or even three….keep’em coming SD.


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    • sundance says:

      “good ethics”?


      Crawl back into your shithole! .

      Liked by 15 people

      • Fe -- y Esperanza says:

        Condor, to Fay Dunaway, when he sees it: “Maybe there’s another CIA … inside the CIA.”

        Mike Rogers acted for God and country — and we certainly can assume he knew he was risking his life, the lives of his children — when he attacked this entity. Hero!

        These people will kill and cornered animals are the most dangerous. Everyone be careful.


        • Fishelsea says:

          Deep state is in a panic. Will not stop at anything to save their treacherous lives. Hawaii was feigning nuclear war. Will not stop. Be careful.


    • ZurichMike says:

      Many of us (including me) enjoy the republished articles because the repetition of basic facts is good practice, and often the presentation and writing is polished with new facts.

      It’s like a beautiful Christmas tree and each time it’s taken out, a few more glorious ornaments are added.

      Feel free to set up your own online site and run it the way you like.

      Liked by 5 people

    • davideisenstadt says:

      Why, exactly is this an ethical issue?
      Do you yearn for the minutes you wasted?
      gimme a break.

      Liked by 1 person

  16. NC Nana says:

    Thank you for putting the information and definitions in a single location. It will be a good resource in the days ahead.

    Liked by 5 people

    • bayoukiki says:

      In this article Sundance sys “The DOJ and FBI then took the dossier, full circle, back to the FISA Court to gain 702 surveillance authority and approval (media says ‘warrant’), upon the Trump Campaign (October 2016), and President-Elect (after November 8th, 2016).”.

      I think it would be helpful to be very clear every time you discuss it that what they got was surveillance authority and approval and that “FISA warrant” is a misnomer and link this for explanation. CTH itselfhas used “FISA warrant” repeatedly and it becomes very confusing.

      But I join everyone else in thanking Sundance for this fine work. I’ve started my own spreadsheet to keep this all sorted and for my own easy reference with tabs for the players and alphabet agencies. I could never have reached this level of understanding without CTH


  17. InquisitorLost says:

    ‘The DOJ and FBI then took the dossier, full circle, back to the FISA Court to gain 702 surveillance authority and approval (media says ‘warrant’), upon the Trump Campaign (October 2016), and President-Elect (after November 8th, 2016).’

    How do we know contractors weren’t also involved in this utilizing Samantha Powers’ ID since she claims it wasn’t her doing queries associated w her name?

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    • Kent says:

      That one has been eating me alive, Inquisitor…it’s like she said it…

      “They might have been in my name but it wasn’t me…”

      And then silence descended upon the land…really weird…I googled it…I dogpiled it…you name it…I searched it.

      Nothing repeat nothing that I have found since October 2017 references that statement by Samantha….

      Have we found our canary?

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  18. Jim in TN says:

    Thanks Sundance for reviewing this and putting it in context. Any idea how long Obama was spying on Americans? This mentions 2015.

    Liked by 3 people

  19. yakmaster2 says:

    One the biggest indicators these actors knew they were shady (and illegal) is the FBI kept their Trump “investigation” secret from Repubs on the Commitees that have FBI Oversight. Neither Hell nor high water was going to stop their nefarious spying under the guise of “national security.”

    However, I have no doubt the Congressional Dems knew all about it, along with Never Trumpers like turncoat McCaine. Not a shred of patriotism in a single one of their souls! Blood sucking parasites feeding off what is supposed to be OUR government.

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  20. FWConservative says:

    Sundance. Am I wrong or had you posted a video 6 or 8 months ago by Sheila Jackson Lee or one of the other Congressional black caucus members saying that Obama had created a database that he could use after he was out of office with information on his opponents. Couldn’t these 702 searches could be used to build that database?

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  21. Sylvia Avery says:

    Great reference tool, thanks Sundance.

    I don’t know WHY it is so difficult for me to retain some of this stuff, but it is. It will be nice to have a cheat sheet for quick reference until I end up quoting this chapter and verse….which at the rate we are going may well end up happening.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      It’s so complex! There are so many players, so many intertwined activities. We need a 9/11 report for this scandal. Will be thousands of pages when all of the unknowns are filled in.

      Liked by 1 person

    • litenmaus says:

      :0) I have chalked my inability to retain information up to the fact that either a) it’s because I am truly blonde or b) there is just too much sh!t flying at us 24/7. Either way, I’m in the same boat Sylvia.

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  22. Joshua says:

    Mr. Sundance,

    Could u please break down the term “minimization” for us?

    This is a great synopsis. My mind stopped there as that termn is not coloquialized.

    This means .. suitably redacted? What exactly does it mean?

    Thanks in advance.


  23. KBR says:

    If you have read the entire document (on scribed, above) you will find that, of the three branches of our government, only the judicial and legislative “mandates” given may allow the NSA, CIA, NCTC, to “deviate from restrictions in minimization procedures.”

    Specifically it states, within the decision, “and not to Executive Branch orders and Directives.”

    Thereby, this Judicial Branch order seems to unbalance the three branches such that the entire Executive Branch is not equal in this minimization-restriction-deviation matter to the Judicial Branch (nor to the Legislative.)

    This FISC ruling has been given ONLY since President Donald Trump is in office. It was not in effect when his predessor Presidents were in office.

    On its face this seems to be an unconstitutional and deliberate imbalance of the three branches.

    Furthermore it was done by one of the Branches which will have this privilege in future, and which Judicial branch has apparently (IMO) been directly involved in allowing the illegal espionage (upon a US private person and then Presidential Candidate, then Presidential Nominee) …

    to be done and accessed by the former Presidents and shared with his direct competitor Hillary Clinton,

    … and also to continue past Jan 20, 2016 (upon a sitting POTUS) with apparent intent to suborn his executive powers, and in association with a conspiracy to undermine the election process and US citizen’s voting power.

    This particular item seems to be a measure that not only denies the Executive Branch any authority in this matter, but serves to CYA the possible former misuses by both Judicial and Legislative and former Executive Branches.

    Others here who can and have read this document, and who may have better comprehension of these “matters” please explain if I am misconstruing the order.


  24. thedoc00 says:

    This totally debunks the patriot defense being spread by the media. Plus, this is how Clintons organization received a heads up that her illegal e-mail activities and servers had been discovered, before the 2016 campaign even started. It also helped guide their inter interaction with the DoJ and FBI to cover Hillary.


  25. mitrom says:

    Thank you Sundance for the great info. Everybody, keep spreading the info. The more Americans that know what’s going on, the better.


  26. Dimitri Kissov says:

    Everyone remember this very very important fact, Nunes can see the whole FISC doc un-redacted. Many others can too. They know how many different users and the number of queries. They can read the report from the NSA on this and they have an ally at the top. The desperation will become palpable and expect wild accusations against Trump, his family and anyone who is working to expose this. It wouldn’t be surprising if someone comes out and says Trump killed their mother 20 years ago after raping her. Be ready and focus on the facts.


  27. daughnworks247 says:

    I’m sharing the primer across all our platforms.
    People will not be prepared for this news.


  28. jeans2nd says:

    The topic everyone is studiously avoiding is any discussion of Article 2 of the Constitution, and how Article 2 applies re: FISA/FISC.

    Richard Nixon was only one of a long line of wiretap abuses done by the CIA, FBI, NSA, and IRS. Nixon was just doing what everyone else had been doing for decades – see Church Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

    AG John Mitchell defended Richard Nixon during Watergate using Article 2. The Supreme Court ruled against Nixon based on Title III of The Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (Wiretap Act)

    The result of the Church Committee was the creation of The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) https://it.ojp.gov/PrivacyLiberty/authorities/statutes/1286

    FISA has been amended several times as detailed in the preceding DOJ link. The relevance of Article 4 is well-established. Rand Paul’s threatened filibuster is based on Article 4.

    Yet at no time has anyone ever challenged or cared to challenge the relevance of Article 2. No one cares to challenge Article 2 now, nor during Obama’s nor Bush’s terms. And that is ultimately what Obama will use if ever challenged on the surveillance and unmasking. Obama will claim Article 2 National Security concerns, and skate.

    Based on what we know on how FISC operates, the original FISA application, after originally being reviewed (ex parte or something) by a FISC legal advisor, was prob requested based on a law enforcement reason, as those type FISA orders run for a year – they wanted to destroy DJT, not just harm. That application was rejected. The national security angle only lasts for three months, and was prob the FISA order that was finally aproved – Nov-Dec 2016 thru Jan 2017. Unlike Title III warrants, no FISC judge oversees the FBI or others during the term of the FISA order.

    Devin Nunes said in Mar 2017 that the concern at that time was why a certain country (countries?) was (were?) included in the reports that Nunes had seen, plus the unmasking and leaking.
    AG Jeff, DNI Coates, and DAG Rosenstein announced a leak task force Aug 2017, and embarked on Black Hat hunting.

    Where are those investigation? Why has no one mentioned them again? Why has Congress not held hearings on leaks and unmaskings? The leaks are illegal; odds are the unmaskings are as well. Yet no one seems to care. The leakings seem to be guaranteed convictions; the unmaskings would at least result in half the country being aware of the behavior.

    Feds and media are trying to protect Clinton and Obama – two masters. For us, we choose between God and mammon. Based on who it is that the Feds and media consider a god and which is mammon, the outcomes seem fairly clear.

    Sad. Pres Trump is left with this unholy mess to clean up, while trying to restore American’s faith in gubmint.
    We’re up to it.
    Take ’em all out.

    Oh yes – the Azerbaijan link seems to be Al Qaeda, not Muslim Bros. Still say that is the nat’l sec link as well as the Russia link, hence the inclusion in the dossier, the Don Jr mtg, and the FISA order – Article 2, you see. Although the country that Nunes saw in those reports detailed by Nunes Mar 2017 may not be Israel, but Great Britain (or both?). Dunno.


    • jeans2nd says:

      12 Jan 2018 “The California Republican (Devin Nunes) made his comments in private meetings with GOP colleagues as he tried to round up votes in favor of renewing a key section of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, known as Section 702”

      “Before the vote, Nunes told GOP lawmakers they could trust him that he has not seen abuse of that section of the law dealing with foreigners, but that other sections of the law have in fact been misused by government officials to conduct surveillance of Americans”
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/12/nunes-charges-abuse- government-surveillance-by-fbi-and-justice-officials.html

      10 Jan 2018 “…right now, it appears the information has not leaked…”
      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-yes-congress-has-seen- trump-russia-secret-court-surveillance-documents-now- what/article/2645498

      Part of FISA was used, but not the foreigner part of 702. What part of FISA was used? The Mar 2017 vid clip clearly shows Nunes saying a country was included in the reports Nunes had seen, Nunes saw no reason for that info to be included in the reports, and mentions the unmasking. What part of FISA does not include the foreigner part of 702, yet includes another country that is not Russia nor involve Russia? With what authority? Still searching.
      hate being told to shutup


    • jeans2nd says:

      12:32 “We went through this about a year and a half ago, as it related to members of Congress. If, you may remember there was a report, I think it was in the Wall Street Journal, but then we had to have a whole series of hearings, and then we had to have changes made to how Congress is informed, of if members of Congress are picked up in surveillance. And this looks like, it’s very similar to that. It reminds me what happened about a year and a half ago.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kUcoNTR-0g

      Original story 29 Dec 2015 – paywall
      U.S. Spy Net On Israel Snares Congress
      “…the White House decided to keep certain allies under close watch, current and former U.S. officials said. Topping the list was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.”

      “the NSA’s spy operation picked up private communications between Israeli officials, members of Congress, and U.S. Jewish community leaders. The information reportedly centered on Israeli efforts to halt the nuclear negotiations. The White House reportedly did not take steps to ensure that these political conversations were omitted.”

      “Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, called Michael Flynn in December 2016 and told him to call members of the UN Security Council in an effort to stop a vote on a resolution critical of Israeli settlement policy”

      “Flynn then called Russia’s then-ambassador to the United States to seek his assistance, and later lied to the FBI about having done so, according to documents filed in federal court Friday by special counsel Robert Mueller that explained Flynn’s guilty plea of lying to federal agents.”

      “Flynn took the call at the Trump transition team’s offices in the General Services Administration headquarters in northwest Washington. After hanging up, Flynn told the entire room that they’d have to start pushing to lobby against the UN vote, saying “the president wants this done ASAP.””

      Scoop: Mueller obtains “tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails
      “The sources say Mueller obtained the emails from the General Services Administration”

      Unmasking. Leaks. Foreign surveillance, but no Russia.
      Mueller ignored the leaks. AG Jeff did not.

      Do you all know how hard it is to research proof of what is in the mind of a certified crazy person? Time to give up. At an appropriate time, not now, pls expose O.

      Russia is the MacGuffin. There were two Get Trump efforts, not one. O allowed Crooked to play spy until O realized what PE Trump was doing. Both efforts are evil. Only one will be exposed.
      O’s motives are not the same as Crooked’s. You all know that.
      Every part of 702 and amendments refer to the 4th Amendment. Every judicial verdict refers to the 4th Amendment.
      O has the option of falling back on Article 2, where no man has gone before, and no man cares to. That is why they keep pushing Russia. We are out – rightly – chasing Clinton, while O skates. Pls expose O at the proper time.

      What is the Holy Grail? Israel-Palestinian peace. O failed. O wants Iran dominant.
      Pres Trump promises to end all of O’s ambitions. Every.last.one.
      kinda glorious, huh?

      The Big Ugly is the Bigglyest Ugly. imo
      Or not.
      Rev 1:19
      1 Cor 2:5


  29. jeans2nd says:

    My last comment has disappeared into the ether. Guess this is the time to shutup.


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