California Governor Jerry Brown Quietly Admits Donald Trump is Right – Proposed Easing Logging Regulations…

A guilt ridden departing governor Jerry Brown concedes that President Donald Trump is absolutely correct in the California mismanagement of the forestry.  With the death of untold numbers of people –yet to be discovered– Jerry Brown knew immediate changes were needed to logging regulations to thin the California forests.  Trump was right!

CALIFORNIA August 2018 – Gov. Jerry Brown is proposing broad new changes to California’s logging rules that would allow landowners to cut larger trees and build temporary roads without obtaining a permit as a way to thin more forests across the state.

The proposal — which has the support of the timber industry but is being opposed by more than a dozen environmental groups — would represent one of the largest changes to the state’s timber harvesting rules in the past 45 years.

The legislative session ends for the year next Friday. On Thursday, the details were still being negotiated by legislative leaders and the governor’s office behind the scenes and had not yet been formally introduced in a bill or put up for a vote.

“They are trying to get to some kind of a deal,” said Rich Gordon, the president of the California Forestry Association, a timber industry group. “They are looking at what can get done politically.”

Under Brown’s proposal, private landowners would be able to cut trees up to 36 inches in diameter — up from the current 26 inches — on property 300 acres or less without getting a timber harvest permit from the state, as long as their purpose was to thin forests to reduce fire risk. They also would be able to build roads of up to 600 feet long without getting a permit, as long as they repaired and replanted them.

Timber industry officials say the changes are needed to cut red tape and increase incentives for landowners, particularly in the Sierra Nevada, to thin pine and fir forests that have become dangerously overgrown after 100 years of fire fighting. (Read more)

Qualifying the REAL situation here: there is little doubt in my mind we simply have no idea just how many people have been killed in/around Paradise, California.  U.S. media are willfully blind to follow-up on the severity of the devastation in Butte County alone.  There are 989 people still missing [SEE LIST HERE] and the current death toll lingers around 80.

It is unspoken, but having participated in large-scale exercises for natural disasters, I would suggest part of the reasoning for keeping residents outside of the impact zone is to allow for search crews to locate the bodies first.  If officials allowed residents to evaluate their neighborhoods there would likely be a flood of bodies discovered.  That outcome is not in the best interests of officials (some good motives, some not good).   All information is being filtered.

Notice how after ten days these officials realize they’re going to have to deploy more search crews to locate the remains.  This is foreboding.  This is trying to retain control of a situation that is unfathomable in scale and horror.

Read this carefully:

November 18th – Multiple California Urban Search & Rescue (US&R) Task Forces and US&R Human Remains Detection Canine Search Teams have been deployed to assist Butte Sheriff with the search for, and recovery of, victims missing in the areas devastated by the CampFire.


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294 Responses to California Governor Jerry Brown Quietly Admits Donald Trump is Right – Proposed Easing Logging Regulations…

  1. Archie says:

    Here is the breakdown of forest ownership in CA. While it is fun to blame CA the US owns most of the forest and they should be blamed for poor management, not Brown.
    33 million acres of forest(ed) lands in California
    Federal ownership is 19 million acres = 57%
    State and local agencies (including land trusts) own 3%
    Privately owned forest lands are 13.3 million acres = 40%

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    • Linus in W.PA. says:

      I read something interesting in the article.

      CA tells people what they can do on their privately owned land.

      I wonder if they try to mandate what can be done on the federally owned land?

      Finally, how much of the wild fires are occurring on CA-controlled land?

      Liked by 3 people

      • MAJA says:

        Yeah, like sanctuary cities. A law unto themselves, across the board.


        • Bendix says:

          Hence, President Trump talking to his federal people, and getting involved.
          I don’t know why anyone would think that Brown had access to better ‘experts’, when half the state was on fire.
          Yes, we’ve all seen Governor Moonbeam acting as if he is the president of California.


      • southernsue says:

        what gets me as i look at these pictures is how can any of the trees still be standing and the homes and cars are burnt to a crisp?
        if a fire can melt a car and burn a house down to the foundations,how can the trees not all be burned down?

        i have been in a fire that burned down a neighborhood and nothing was left,especially the trees

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        • Kristin says:

          Elmo says:
          November 20, 2018 at 6:56 am
          Most healthy green trees are still standing after a catastrophic wildfire.
          I’m a retired logger who has salvage logged many burns and lost my own home in a wildfire in the Sierra foothills. My pickup had it’s alloy wheels melted into puddles of aluminum not 30′ away from an oak that is still alive and standing 24 years later.


          • Dennis says:

            I also posted this comment on the American Digest site:

            I fought fires for over thirty years as an employee of the U.S. Forest Service, rising to the level of Division/Group Supervisor on large wildfires. Reading Gerald’s ( description of forest conditions around Paradise prior to the fire is an eerie account of a catastrophe about to happen. Eerie because it has happened over and over throughout the west over the past 30 years. This has nothing to do with global warming; it has to do with people unwilling to learn the lessons of the past. These are fire adapted ecosystems and, left to natural processes, will burn regularly. Everything organic on these sites is potential fuel, including human habitations, and if not maintained properly with fire in mind they will eventually burn.
            I urge you to read the linked article describing the destruction in Los Alamos, N.M. during the Cerro Grande fire in 2000. The pictures and descriptions, as I said, are eerily reminiscent of the current conditions in Paradise.

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          • Bendix says:

            I am no logger, I’m a city person, but I remember one time having some firewood that would not catch fire, no matter what I did. I joked that I would build a flame-retardant house out of it.


        • Dennis says:


          I fought fires for over thirty years as an employee of the U.S. Forest Service, rising to the level of Division/Group Supervisor on large wildfires. Reading Gerald’s description of forest conditions around Paradise ( prior to the fire is an eerie account of a catastrophe about to happen. Eerie because it has happened over and over throughout the west over the past 30 years. This has nothing to do with global warming; it has to do with people unwilling to learn the lessons of the past. These are fire adapted ecosystems and, left to natural processes, will burn regularly. Everything organic on these sites is potential fuel, including human habitations, and if not maintained properly with fire in mind they will eventually burn.
          I urge you to read the linked article describing the destruction in Los Alamos, N.M. during the Cerro Grande fire in 2000. The pictures and descriptions, as I said, are eerily reminiscent of the current conditions in Paradise.

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          • Bendix says:

            I think it can’t be said enough, in enough places, Dennis.
            Perhaps some of Brown’s people saw it and woke him out of his delusional stupor.
            We in the capital area don’t have much of the kind of terrain they do in California, but one place we do is in a pine barrens in the Albany-Schenectady area.
            The environmentalists trying to save the area burn it on a regular basis. The burning is beneficial to the pines, they say.


        • completelytrue says:

          Is that you, Rosie?


    • soozword says:

      Until a couple years ago I lived up in the Sierra Mtns in CA, very close to federal and private corporate land (once logged, now neglected). Tons of dead “bug trees” there for as far as the eye can see. When I went to a Rep. Tom McClintock open houses he talked about this issue for years but I doubt anything was actually accomplished at the federal level. Nearby residents to these forests had dead trees on their property and pleaded for help from the feds to help remove them. Many were retirees on limited incomes and several professionally-removed trees could easily cost as much as their entire month’s income.

      This summer I took a trip up to the highest ski resort in Utah at over 10,000 elevation which is surrounded by federal land. I thought I was used to seeing lots of bug trees but California has nothing on SW Utah in that regard; it’s much worse here than anything I ever saw in CA! Fortunately I live at a lower elevation with far less fuel load but that is no guarantee at all of safety, even living one mile away from a (volunteer) fire station.

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      • Dan says:

        The whole US west of the mississippi is like this. My wife is a seasonal forester, who has worked out of many field offices in her 14 years with the USFS; including SD, ID, MT, WY, UT, CO amoung others.

        She is currently in WY. When i visited her this summer she showed me a piece of land along a steep walled canyon, wild ass guess would be 25,000 acres. The dead trees blotted out the live ones. This area abutts a wilderness area and repeated attempts to put in a fire road to allow hazard thinning have been held up in court by numerous greenie groups. She explained what would happen if a fire crowned in there. Long story short, they might be able to hold it when it hits the major highway over 25 miles away. The entire wilderness area would be burned to mineral soil.

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    • Tiffthis says:
      This shows by map and list what counties are under state control. Butte county and Ventura county are on the list.

      Liked by 3 people

    • zaq123 says:

      Or maybe the environmental groups, with lawyers on standby that work for free, stop everything with a lawsuit. As pointed out in the article. The environmentalists are more concerned about trees than people.

      Hippies mourning a dead tree. These people do exist.


      • Ms B says:

        They can’t see the forest for the trees!
        (Apology if this has already been stated.)


      • Doreen Scott says:

        Those environmentalist are sure doing a bang up job with California. At this rate in a few years there won’t be a forest left in the state.


      • Dee Paul Deje says:

        “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen. For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.” Romans 25-26

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    • thomaspsyche says:

      Fires do not know ownership. It could start on States low ownership land and spread 100% to all others!!


    • The Raven says:

      Did you check as to whom owns the lands that burned?


      • JB in Jefferson says:

        “Did you check as to whom owns the lands that burned?”

        Looks like about 90% private and with some BLM sprinkled in the mix


    • JBT says:

      Obama…Clinton…moonbat environmentalist lawsuits. President Trump is the first, FIRST, to take action.


    • Apparently, the state of California and environmental groups have engaged in constant litigation against the Federal government to prevent them from cutting down ‘old growth’ trees or harvesting fallen trees for many decades.

      This what happens when you believe you can buy virtue from the Sierra Nevada Club or acquire indulgences from the Church of Global Warming through litigation.

      The environmental crazies have turned junk science into a junk religion.


    • Sammy123 says:

      Are you for real, in 2016 Brown voted a bi partisan wild fire management bill, gave no reason. A bill the was to help local communities deal with the same reason this camp fire might happened from utility lines sparks.

      Megan Barth and I reported Monday:

      “Supporting Obama-era regulations have resulted in the new normal: an endless and devastating fire season. Obama-era regulations introduced excessive layers of bureaucracy that blocked proper forest management and increased environmentalist litigation and costs– a result of far too many radical environmentalists, bureaucrats, Leftist politicians and judicial activists who would rather let forests burn, than let anyone thin out overgrown trees or let professional loggers harvest usable timber left from beetle infestation, or selectively cut timber.”

      Read this realize how Brown Moonbat’s destroing that state.


    • Helen Pearson Souza says:

      That makes no difference..who owns what. The environmentalists got rid of the lumber mills. Then they outlawed fire trails/breaks by chaining them off until the brush grew over the roads. Hunters, fishermen and hikers enjoyed these jeep trails. They used them to access various mountain recreation. I owned property in Shaver Lake for over 20 years. When we sold out all the dead bark beetle trees had to be taken down with state permits, I was not able to sell any and there was no mill to take them to. The state had companies that would shred trees for huge amounts of money. If they do that to private owners just imagine what timber companies had to go through. This fire and these deaths can be lain directly at the feet of Sacramento liberals and environmentalists. That the death toll is going to be in the hundreds is being kept from the public. And that is the only reason Jerry Brown is taking small steps. But Gavin Newsom is Jerry Brown on steroids. Soon everyone will forget the huge loss of life and the liberal murderers will take over again.

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    • Carrie2 says:

      Archie, sorry but I moved here in 1960 and no fires but lumbering. Then Brown and his environmentalist stupids decided to leave the forests to “Mother Nature”. There are now those thinking of suing Brown for their losses both of lives and property. Poor management? That, too, was for the state to handle and are paid billions to take care of the forests. Now, after so many dying horrible deaths and those losing everything they had, he says Trump is right. Well, yes, Trump is right and you, moonbeam, are and were the problems thru two terms too much. Sorry, again Archie, but we living here know the truth!


  2. Monadnock says:

    Want to get a feel for what this is like?

    Imagine that your entire subdivision burned to the ground…. and only you survived.

    Go ahead – I’ll wait. The Finches? Yeah, in the tan split-level. Burned to death. The Ross’s? Them too, along with those sweet little dogs. That young couple with the newborn that just moved in across the street? So much for watching that little boy learn to throw a baseball in that front yard. Grandma Penny? (every neighborhood has one). No more visits from her grand kids now.

    Then add to that horror that every adjacent subdivision also burned to the ground…. and only you survived.

    Finally, top it off with every adjacent, adjacent subdivision having lost 50% of their homes, with many lives lost.

    Imagine how you would feel driving into that area from, say, 20 miles away, seeing the devastation… turning into your subdivision, making the half-mile drive to your garage… or rather, to where your garage used to stand… all while noting the names of your immolated neighbors as you passed their burnt to the ground homes. Are you gonna blame climate change, or the environmental policies forced on your county/city by that elected aristocracy?

    If the media accurately represents the scope of what’s happened here, some serious sh!t would go down.

    I’m not holding my breath.

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    • I fear that you are absolutely correct, along with your description of how this must affect those that lived there. Beyond tragic, especially because it was preventable.

      And if the new proposed legislation is blocked by the environmental lobbies…well, perhaps some graphic “testimony” should be shown to these heartless folks.


    • Carrie2 says:

      True, and this is what you get from a dictator (read democrat communists) state. Okay for illegals and illegal voting, but nothing for the real citizens except death and loss. I agree that Newsom will be twice as bad as moonbeam because another uber rich democrat and with very few moral values. Many have already left the state for freedom elsewhere, and God willing so will we!


  3. rjcylon says:

    Next time you hear a bunch of crap from someone about how we need to “care more about the environment”, make them explain this to you.

    Environmentalism is a religion, and it’s a dangerous one.

    Liked by 14 people

    • Jenny R. says:

      Norman Borlaug’s comments about environmentalists are pretty good:
      that they are extremists who appear to be not so much concerned about the environment as promoting a political ideology.
      They could care less about people (other than seeing a good lot of them dead, except of course themselves, they never seem to be among the roll call of the “must die now”) and they really could care less about the environment — plants, animals, whole ecosystems mean nothing to them. Just the ideology; everything else expendable — eggs for the omelet.


    • Unknownsailor says:

      Worse than a religion, it is a cult. Those in it lecture the rest of us with a sickening sense of unearned moral superiority, and when questioned on it, spout pure dogma back at you like some sort of warding spell.

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  4. Ray Runge says:

    Hallelujah, when any blind person in power is able to change a personal deficit in perception that resulted in untold death and destruction of life and property.

    Jerry Brown has proposed changes in Cali law that blames deficiency in current public policy rather than the fantasy claims that is global warming. Reality based assessment will permit an opportunity to base solutions tailored to the real problem.

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    • Austin Holdout says:

      It’s a criminal shame it takes this scale of tragedy to cure one person’s blindness. One wonders if this tragedy would have even been enough for Brown to see the light if he was running for re-election.


      • Bendix says:

        Brown isn’t actually low IQ. He had to wake up sooner or later to the undeniable fact that even if global warming was real, it could not follow that these fire deaths were the president’s fault.

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    • Carrie2 says:

      Ray, and what many don’t know and others do know that Mother Nature is in charge and ditto Sun spots, AND as well the N and S Poles change to the opposite over time. Nothing new here but growing ignorance. For example. when I moved to CA n 1960 it was common to have rain from Oct. thru April, then changes started and less rain, but now in No. CA the cold weather is now most of the year with some days or weeks of heat, but mostly cold as can be seen from our furnace bills, woolen and vests and jackets to keep us warm, and more sales of electric blankets. This are natural changes, and I still have my lovely woolen winter coat from the 1960’s that I had to have to be warm while walking to work, and sweaters galore at my apartment and job. This is NORMAL but no money in it but if you lie, then you get rich, ie. Al Gore, who spends over $2K a month on his electric bills. Hmm. Today’s ill or little educate people for the last 6 1/2 decades will believe anything because not taught to think, research, and double check. Can’t feel sorry for them but science has shown over the millions of years this is a NATURAL PHENOMENA!


  5. bobby 1122 says:

    Wacko environmental groups who sued to stop clearing for decades have the blood on their hands..

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  6. WolframCochrane says:

    Entirely preventable. Possibly one third of 9/11’s casualties dead or missing. Heartbreaking.

    Liked by 7 people

  7. TMonroe says:

    PC priorities kill — this time in the form of the pc priority of leaving it to the Al Gores and Jerry Brown-type politicos to save the world and let keystone kop-type policies rule the day for generations.

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  8. CopperTop says:

    It’s out of print but if you can find a library copy of ‘Firestorm on the Peshtigo’. Read a harrowing tale of exactly went on in a situation like Paradise with the exception of the actual lake water of Lake Michigan catching fire.

    It is the real story of what happened up North of Greenbay, WI. While Mrs. O’Leary’s cow was (FAKE NEWS) destroying Chicago the entire area of WI of the book was cleared of timber. To this day it has never looked the same but has returned to be beautiful and clean just like most of the US forested areas. The novel makes the case for reasons such disasters occur and goes into detail what it is actually like to experience it.

    Additional Fact: WA State …has some old growth forest. This means that they were ‘fronds’ at the time Columbus hit the New World. In actuality the state of WA has entirely burned or been timbered out 3 times since Columbus except a few protected pockets of National Forest. Trees are NOT all meant to turn to old growth…and it’s time the environmentalists become fully educated about this fact.

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    • CopperTop says:

      Someone asked: Here’s the review and proper citation

      Firestorm at the Peshtigo
      “Novelist Denise Gess and historian William Lutz brilliantly restore the event to its rightful place in the forefront of American historical imagination.” —Chicago Sun-Times

      On October 8, 1871—the same night as the Great Chicago Fire—the lumber town of Peshtigo, Wisconsin, was struck with a five-mile-wide wall of flames, borne on tornado-force winds of one hundred miles per hour that tore across more than 2,400 square miles of land, obliterating the town in less than one hour and killing more than two thousand people.

      At the center of the blowout were politically driven newsmen Luther Noyes and Franklin Tilton, money-seeking lumber baron Isaac Stephenson, parish priest Father Peter Pernin, and meteorologist Increase Lapham. In Firestorm at Peshtigo, Denise Gess and William Lutz vividly re-create the personal and political battles leading to this monumental natural disaster, and deliver it from the lost annals of American history.”

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      • CopperTop says:

        That’s 2000 who lost their life. Give it a read and pass it on.


      • The Devilbat says:

        There are about 130 copies of this book available through starting at about $3.50 for a decent used copy with free shipping. The book is also available on Kindle for $2.99 at the dreaded

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      • Mr_Henry says:

        During the fire, a miracle occurred at the site of Our Lady of Good Help in Champion, WI. Terrified people fled to the location where the Virgin Mary appeared 12 years earlier and engaged in an all night Eucharistic procession.

        The fire burned everything around it but spared the shrine and the people gathered there.

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    • Carrie2 says:

      Copper Top, actually my grandmother was there and there was a fire and the sad part is that the documents of lives, death, etc. were also destroyed by the fire. My grandmother came from Ireland but here I have no access to documents as all destroyed by the fire. A cow involved? Who knows.


  9. Texian says:

    I noticed they are announcing fatality amounts in dribbles, over days.. That means there’s a lot.. Also, controlling the release of the count lessens the blow back and shock value.. They are hiding it.. The Sheriff’s Department did the math – there are so many they don’t have enough personnel to pick up the dead and i.d. them in a reasonable amount of time..

    The State is also trying to keep the number under wraps by blocking entry into the area because family members would go looking for their relatives en mass and would find charred remains all over the place..

    Then they would want Moonbeam’s head on a platter.. And rightly so..

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  10. Hangtown Bill says:

    Governor Burn, this will be your legacy. Not your Bullet Train, Not your Tunnels carrying water south. Not your Global Action Climate Summit, Not your Trump lawsuits. You wasted billions of our tax dollars on your bullsh!t. You have been yelling at us from the Climate Change soapbox for years, yet you had no foresight, no desire to use effective measures to prevent this type of disaster. Endless taxes and regulations have halted logging in this state.

    I live on 20 acres in El Dorado County, in a very similar environment to Paradise. We hold our breath every year until the rains come. It is normal for no rain fall from May to October. None so far this year. Thankfully, rain is forecast for this week. There used to be 5 sawmills in the county. Now, there are none. I have dozens of 100′ + Ponderosa Pines on my property that are dead or dying because of the bark beetle like millions of trees across the state.The bark beetle that proliferated due to the overgrowth of the forests. All trees are weakened when they don’t get enough water or nutrients, making them susceptible to insects and disease.

    Add up the costs of this disaster: lives lost, burns and injuries, displaced families, lost infrastructure, property, wildlife, forests, and the ecological damage of countless tons of toxins in the air choking the state all the way south to Carmel. What will be the cost to rebuild? What will be the long term effects on physical and mental heath?

    The death toll of the Camp Fire is now at 77 and climbing. that’s more than the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake that devastated the Bay Area.

    This is your legacy.

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  11. Rockitz says:

    I went to Sequoia National Park about 20 years ago and I distinctly remember that they had controlled burns to get rid of all the collected forest rubbish around the bases of the trees. I assume they still do this, but maybe not. If not, better get up there soon to see those magnificent giants or they may all be gone and soon.


  12. jimincalif says:

    Yes Moonbeam looked totally eclipsed by Trump and the magnitude of devastation. Gavin? I figure he was saying to himself how lucky he was that this occurred right after the election. The smoke will clear in the Bay Area, the Woolsey Fire was not in a forest, and Gavin’s got four years until he must stand for election again. This should be a game changer for a California, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be, Democrats’ power base is not in the Central Valley or Sierra foothills. They will pass some legislation with high-minded names but little actual effect. If they think it’s politically useful, they will probably use this as a way to leverage yet another tax increase.

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  13. John Carifidy says:

    This round of seasonal fires has been an ugly, horrible reminder of the “lessons of the farm and the lessons of the school” I remember reading about here at the TreeHouse. It was a study in contrasts between practical experience, acquired through time, and trials and errors, vs that which is purchased knowledge, consumed and digested like so much junk food. The environmentalists are definitely of the school; the fact that their book learnin’ and credentials have given them the right to dictate policy, using the lives and livelihoods of real people as their laboratory has had such tragic and far reaching consequences. If it weren’t for President Trump being a persuasive force for a lesson from the farm ie. common sense, this tragedy would replay itself again next year, and the year after that,…

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  14. Deplore Able says:

    In the mid 1970s I was worked as a short order cook while in college. I remember the husband of one of the waitresses. He was a tough old guy who worked as a trucker. He told me a story about driving down mountain highways with a load of logs. An old timer trucker had told him that if the brakes ever went out going down hill, the thing to do was to drive the right hand edge of the cab into a tree. That would cause the truck cab to jackknife and the load of logs would slide to the left of the cab rather than straight through and crush the driver.

    One day his brakes did go out driving down the mountain. He did as the old timer advised and drove the right headlight of the cab into a tree. The cab jackknifed and the load of logs slid by. The collision was violent, and he ended up with his belt wrapped around the gear shift. At first he thought he was crippled because he couldn’t move, Then he realized he simply had to unbuckle his belt and he walked away without a scratch.

    Twenty years later, in the 1990s, we used to visit my brother-in-laws cabin up in the mountains just south of Yosemite. We used to see trucks filled with logs coming down the mountain. This reminded me of the story of the waitress’ husband. I have been back to those mountains many times in recent years, but have never seen a truck hauling logs.

    President Trump is right. Forestry management (mismanagement) plays a big role in these California fires,.

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    • Carrie2 says:

      And yet we have been paying CA 6 billion dollars a year to do nothing. But that is usual as money just “disappears” for democrats in charge.


  15. Jenny R. says:

    Time to do a little digging into Obama era EPA, no?
    That’s not all:
    Fire Operations – Suppression Budget
    2008 – $1,177,620
    2009 – $993,947
    2010 – $997,505
    2011 – $595,000 -40%
    2012 – $537,8583
    2013 – $534,7814
    2014 – $680,488
    2015 – $708,000
    2016 – $794,534
    2017 – $873,904
    2018 – $1,056,818

    I said a few days ago that DNR/Forestry didn’t seem to be getting the money to put into fire control methods…well, turns out — they weren’t! There’s the budget for the last ten years above.

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  16. TrumpFanFLA says:

    The linked source article at the Santa Cruz Sentinel is from August, 8/23/18 to be exact, with a photo dated 7/31/18 re fires in Lake & Mendocino counties.

    Brown’s tree-thinning proposal from August was obviously three-months before the current deadly Paradise fire, Trump’s visit, & Brown’s “guilty-looks.”

    That 8/23/18 article said there was a legislative deadline to get a final bill formulated & passed by the “next Tuesday” as that political body would be having its recess thereafter. So I’m wondering: Was a bill ever finalized? Was it ever passed? Or was it just a “proposal” that never materialized into a law?

    If the latter was the case, Brown had even more reason to look guilty (not that three months would have been enough time to clear out the Butte County forests, as such a law should have been proposed/passed many many moons ago).


  17. JimmyJack says:

    A very good friend of mine, a young woman, is there on the ground helping to identify remains. It is macabre and sad beyond words.

    I am happy Brown has admitted this. I am happy Trump was proven right yet again. I am sick to my gills that it has cost so many their lives and created such damage. My heart goes out to the families and all first responders of all types. This is very stressful on them. I hate that the policies of the left continue to hurt so many and they are never held responsible for it.

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  18. Flyingwellie says:

    UN Agenda 21 is the root cause of this tragedy. Our politicians are all signed up to Agenda 21 their globalist masters, the Globs, ordain it. Our best defence against the Globs is DJT but we must do more to help him. Want to know more? Search You Tube Rosa Koire Agenda 21.

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    • FuBu says:

      Keep an eye on how the rebuilding or not for the victims from this fire is handled. There are people who believe that this forest neglect has been intentional (the greenies being the useful idiots) to fulfill UN Agenda 21 (using Sustainable Development to mitigate Climate Change to justify the theft of our property and civil rights) of justifying removing people from the rural areas to urban areas for more efficient population monitoring and control. This is the Trojan Horse. Already being implemented world wide.


  19. yaosxx says:

    Would anyone like to comment on how whole estates including vehicles have been burnt to dust while surrounding trees are virtually untouched…? How does fire manage to be so selective – am I missing something here…?


  20. shirley49 says:

    Look at the destruction Dems cause no matter where they are. They destroy cities and States and would love to destroy America. Where do these families go to get their loved ones back. The State caved to the demands of the phony environmentalists instead of doing research and getting expert advice. How much money has been funneled to the politicians to pass these deadly bills. Who is going to be held responsible for this. Someone needs to be punished.


    • Ospreyzone says:

      Who is going to be held responsible? No one,…ever. And, look at the idiot California just elected to replace Moonbeam Brown. Liberals never learn.


    • Amy2 says:

      Not to mention the destruction of the family unit, the lives of innocent babies, American history and everything they touch.


  21. railer says:

    Unfortunately, people are stupid. This disaster is no different than what happened in New Orleans during Katrina. You have a population of stupid people, who are living under an extreme threat, for decades and decades. Stupid governments cause and exacerbate the situation, yes, but the people themselves stupidly go along through life with the threat hanging over their heads.

    In New Orleans, you had stupid people living 15 feet below sea level, in a river delta, in a hurricane zone. Stupid governments did what governments do, act stupidly, causing and exacerbating the situation, with hydraulic and hydrological analysis turned into stupid public works and stupid building ordinances. Eventually, you wind up with a body count. It was inevitable.

    Same with these fires. You have stupid people living in the middle of an extreme fire hazard, which can arise far more suddenly than a slowly forming hurricane. Stupid governments have caused and exacerbated these problems. Ex-Arizona governor Bruce Babbitt became Bill Clinton’s Interior Secretary decades ago, and immediately pointed out that there were forests in his state that had literally 10 times the normal fuel load standing or laying on the forest floor, due to bad management practice. You cannot walk away from these problems, they only get worse, until the inevitable body count arises.

    A century ago, entire families would be wiped out in farm house fires. Houses were constructed with balloon type methods, easily facilitating the spread of fire. These are the legends you’ve likely heard of, where parents threw their infants out of 2nd and 3rd story windows to save them. We changed building methods appropriately, and you don’t hear about these tragedies much anymore. A 1-hour fire rating makes all the difference, and saves lives, and perhaps saved my next door neighbor’s lives when their house burned a few years ago. We all stood across the street safely and watched the firemen hose down their house, and much of it was salvaged. Building codes needed to change, and they did. Governments need to take a cue here and change forest policy, and mitigate these threats. California is a mess, imo. Water and forest policies are a mess. Let’s hope the body count spurs proper government action here. Let’s also hope the people who survived this demand this action.

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  22. Bendix says:

    Here is something else to consider: President Trump is from Queens, New York City.
    He grew up in a world of concrete, in the air.
    Fires were never all that much of a concern, unless you count electrical ones and cigarettes on the upholstery.
    So when the Chief Executive, from Queens, starts talking forest fires in the West, and mitigation, that means he has accessed the best minds available. He doesn’t talk to Republican politicians and focus groups.
    He talks to anyone and everyone who may have something relevant to say.
    Also, he doesn’t go looking in the phone book for these experts. He has very intelligent people gathering information for him, and he personally knows how to get these things done fast.
    So when he starts talking forest management, he’s not talking feelz.
    When someone like Governor Brown disregards him, he’s really saying my people are better than your people.
    Then he has to look at what his people are telling him, and think about what actual knowledge they have.
    He can pick up a phone and find out who is advising President Trump.

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  23. wodiej says:

    My sister lives out west. Those environmental kooks are the reason this happened. They wont allow clearing of dry brush. ‘Effing morons.


  24. Longbeard says:

    Here is a perfect opportunity to file a class action Lawsuit for the victims of this avoidable tragedy!
    I am aware that all States and the Federal Government are protected from being sued (with the exception for what they allow to be sued for) But employees of Government agencies can be sued individually.
    These victims deserve retribution and compensation for their losses!!


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