White House Lawyers Reviewing The Declassification Conundrum…

Finally we are starting to see articles outlining the actual reality of the issues behind the congressional declassification request, and the challenges for President Trump. Last week we outlined “The Classification Conundrum“, it is complex.  If you have reviewed the prior outline today’s expanded and specific follow-up will make more sense.

The congressional request is for President Trump to declassify and release the Carter Page FISA applications (including specifically pages 10-12 and 17-34 and relevant footnotes), all of the Bruce Ohr 302s and other relevant documents, including exculpatory evidence regarding Carter Page and others, that were presented to the Gang of Eight, but not presented to the FISA Court.

There are officials within the executive branch who are against the declassification because there is an inherent risk for two agencies: The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).  Their self-serving anti-declassification position is bolstered by the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel (OLC); and conniving tricks previously played by internal usurpers within the DOJ Special Counsel “small group”.

First, within a Daily Caller article, which nibbles around the edges, you will note the following current state of the issues:

[Daily Caller] White House lawyers are actively reviewing controversial FBI and Department of Justice documents relating to the 2016 presidential campaign for possible declassification, multiple sources with knowledge tell The Daily Caller News Foundation.

The review process is being led by Emmet Flood of the White House Counsel’s office at the urging of an insistent president, two sources with knowledge of the process told TheDCNF. A source close to the president noted that Flood and his colleagues within the counsel’s office are generally opposed to declassification, out of the concern for the precedent it would set as well as any unintended consequences of making the information public.

Sources cautioned that declassification could occur as soon as this week, though the uncertainty reflects the nature of the review process itself.  (read more)

Emmet Flood was the most likely replacement for outgoing White House Chief Legal Counsel Don McGahn.  The reason why McGahn is not leading the effort is because he has a conflict of interest.

The scheme team of Mueller’s crew is conniving and smart;  When they called McGhan as a witness for their investigation they created a situation where the White House counsels office became witnesses.  McGahn was forced to recuse his office from having anything to do with the Robert Mueller probe.  The probe was/is against the office of the President.

WASHINGTON – White House counsel Don McGahn recused his entire staff last summer from working on the Russia investigation because many of his office’s lawyers played significant roles in key episodes at the center of the probe, former White House attorney Ty Cobb said on Wednesday.

McGahn made the decision to halt his staff’s interactions with Special Counsel Robert Mueller because many of his own attorneys “had been significant participants” surrounding the firings of national security adviser Michael Flynn and FBI Director James Comey, Cobb said. (read more)

At the time, June 13th, 2018, the revelation of the entire office recusal by McGahn was relatively unnoticed because the very next day, June 14th, the IG report on the FBI was released.  All attention went toward the IG report and the FBI.

Remember, Jeff Sessions is recused and sitting on the sidelines.  He is of no help to President Trump in matters surrounding the Russia probe, or the 2016 election.  The current declassification request surrounds actions directly relating to the 2016 campaign and the fraudulent, perhaps illegal, conduct by the former FBI and DOJ. So Sessions is useless…. period.  There’s no help possible from the Attorney General.

“Stop waiting for me, I’M RECUSED” !!

In the current scenario the legislative branch is asking for President Trump to declassify information that is in his interests.  However, within the executive branch declassification is adverse to the interests of the OLC, DOJ (Rosenstein) and FBI (Wray).  In essence it’s the executive branch that’s “framing the President”; and the legislative branch trying to defend him.

There are two sets of contracting interests within the executive branch.  The president wants declassification and yet some officials within the executive branch do not.  Hence the conundrum. President Trump is insisting upon Emmet Flood of the White House Counsel’s office, to execute the declassification request.

At issue within the counsel’s office is whether to wholesale declassify documents related to former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and DOJ official Bruce Ohr or partially redact information to protect sources and methods, two sources familiar with the process said. A source directly familiar with the process said he is certain some declassification action will occur within the coming weeks.

Rumblings and excitement over prospective declassification have reached a fever pitch in recent days among allies of the president.

A group of conservative House Republicans held a press conference Thursday calling on Trump to declassify and release the documents, which they claim show widespread reliance on politically motivated opposition research in obtaining Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants on Page.

“We are confident that the FISA application will prove that the highest levels of the DOJ and FBI failed to provide the FISA court with critically important information when they requested a warrant to spy on Carter Page,” New York Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin said at the press conference.  (DC Link)

It is in the interests of the DC administrative state for President Trump to be removed from office or at least stop his agenda.  The legislative branch is attempting to help President Trump.  That’s why there is a stall tactic being deployed to block President Trump.  All DC activity is to remove the legislative branch defense mechanism and re-take the house in the mid-terms. That’s why everything is on hold. E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G.

The DOJ Office of Legal Counsel is part of the administrative state and seem to be aligned in opposition. Additionally, there are legal voices within the executive branch opposed to the president taking action against the advice of his own executive branch officers:

The legislative branch, via Mark Meadows, is trying to provide support to bolster the position of President Trump against adverse interests within his own administration.  The concern of the White House counsel is establishing a precedent: (1) for declassification of information to the benefit of the President (political/legal); and (2) for thinning the walls between two branches of government (executive and legislative).

From the WH counsels office there are some legitimate concerns surrounding executive power.  From their position they don’t want to establish a precedent; however, it’s not really a precedent inasmuch as it appears to be is more of a first-deployment of already existing executive authority.   The President holds unilateral executive power constitutionally, but no prior President has used that power for declassification of intelligence, against the advice of his own cabinet, that is seemingly self-interested.

If Rosenstein/Wray refuse to unredact and declassify “sources and methods”, and President Trump demands “sources and methods” be declassified, this would be a first.

Arguably the sunlight will exonerate President Trump, so the argument goes that all ends justify the means.  Additionally, from Trump’s perspective if no-one in the executive has anything to hide, then declassification is no risk.  However, WH legal counselors worry about what happens when Democrats control the House and make similar declassification demands of the executive in the future; or if the executive is held by opposition and uses declassification to target their political opposition. [I know, the irony!]

It is an unusual scenario because for the first time in modern history a President appears to be willing to give away a little power to the requests of the people’s house, rather than assemble more power for the executive.

Within the Rosenstein/Wray issue their recalcitrance also points to the underlying corrupt officials who remain embedded in the institutions.  Specifically for FBI Director Wray, it is becoming clear the purpose of re-hiring Chief Counsel Dana Boente was to have a person familiar with the prior corruption to help navigate these explosive minefields.  Boente was inside the DOJ-National Security Division, when the 2017 activity to remove President Trump was still ongoing.

The DC bureaucracy (DOJ-OLC and Mueller crew) appears to have decided a good strategy is to run out the clock to the 2018 mid-terms.  So they are in a delay mode.

Again, the legal details of declassification are available HERE.  The motive for the FBI and DOJ to refuse the “sources and methods” declassification request is outlined HERE.

The executive branch is in a squabble against itself due to malfeasance inside its law enforcement arm. It has been framing the President for crimes that Congress suspects he didn’t commit.

It’s the executive branch that’s “framing the President”; and the legislative branch trying to defend him.

Now, Just Hit Play:

*Reminder: 37 states have early voting anywhere from 2 weeks to 40 days before election day.

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548 Responses to White House Lawyers Reviewing The Declassification Conundrum…

  1. cali says:

    @Sundance: Sheryl Attkinson is correct and so are you – however there are laws/status/protections on the books that applies to FISA application and declassification.

    It clearly states and this was recently revealed by Binney that this statue declares every and all FISA applications are moot when facts contained in these applications reveal to be fraudulent, conspiratorial, seditious and more.

    The same applies to classification in any documents. That means that president is obligated to reveal and declassify everything. Let the chips fall where they may.

    Draining the swamp and eliminate the deep state is no game – that’s for sure. The counter-coup against these plotters wherever they are lodged considered all of it. So the president knows it all.

    Here area few facts: Bruce Ohr is trying to save his wife and himself by having co-operated. He admitted that two FISA judges were in on the coup against president Trump. They co-operated with the coup lotters approving wiretaps. Strzok gave some of it away when he texted with Page about Contreras who mysteriously recused himself.
    Robert was comprised going back to the Obamacare saga he made law of the land. He was wiretapped. So was Sessions who was aware being wiretapped ergo he recused himself. His recusal serves president Trump. Remember taking down the deep state and the other plotters must be done without appearing to be politically motivated.
    Rosenstein was confirmed 97-3 while Sessions barely made it. Politicians – Never Trumpers were part of this too.
    Flynn knows where ALL the bodies are buried ergo wiretapped and removed from a Trump administration.

    The source and rat in the DOJ is Rod Rosenstein and his gang. Together he conspired to engineer the firing of Comey to enable the selection of Mueller to continue to finish the plan to remove Trump.

    Don’t forget the many missing texts we have not seen yet although we known that they took into consideration that if everything fails the final removal would be assassinating the president. Together with agents abroad the planned that too.

    It’s not that they didn’t try already: LAST YEAR IN LAS VEGAS! Failed thankfully in no small measures due to our military intelligence.

    @Sundance: I think we all made a mistake: We all believed it to be McCabe whom Page and Strzok meant when talking about their ‘insurance policy’. McCabe denied that fact. Consider the ‘Andy” they were talking about maybe was Andrew Weissmann all long (Andy). Ohr kept that rat in the loop remember?

    Since this issue is now pending that is what’s taking place behind the scene:

    1. Rosenstein tried frantically to meet with president Trump – DENIED
    2. Comey contacting McCabe about his ‘testimony’ story.
    3. Ohr testifying against Yates, Rosenstein, Comey and others.
    4. Baker testifying against other rats.
    5. Page testifying against Strzok
    5 Yates lawyered up with new lawyers.
    7. PANIC in DC!

    Keep it coming @Sundance – rats are scurrying. The small number of legislators and patriots are part of the counter-coup and receive truthful info. The classification and FISA warrants are based on lies and treasonous activities ergo they are not valid and will be declassified.

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  2. ajudicator1776 says:

    Just do it, President Trump! Your survival is at stake. The DC swamp wants to take you down. It’s you (and our constitutional republic) or them. Just ORDER them to declassify today — and they refuse, fire them!

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    • Tseg says:

      I assume The President knows exactly the entire content of these documents? Might the content be open to interpretation vs. unquestionably clear cut? The backfire against PT could happen if it is evident someone unscrupulous could present an ‘interpretation’ that still leaves things up in the air. I thought “releasing the memo” a few months back would end the craziness and lock people up. Rather it escalated the blather. If the DECLAS of this does the same it may not solve the problem, rather create further nuclear (option) proliferation for future administrations. I may finally be ready to go buy that island.

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  3. Barnestormer says:

    The assertion that the chief executive’s authority would be diminished by agreeing with the requests of certain members of congress to declassify certain documents, because in the process he might have to overrule certain subordinate executive officers’ objections to such declassification, is ludicrous. Those members are simply requesting that the chief executive exercise an authority that he clearly has inherent to his office. Should the president agree to that request, the precedential value would be: 1) the president may exercise his constitutional authority even when it’s compatible with the stated interests of certain members of congress; and 2) the president may overrule the recommendations of his SUBORDINATE OFFICERS. Shocking.

    To the contrary, the diminishment argument should be flipped on its head, in that by releasing completely unredacted documents the fundamental authority to declassify would be affirmed, as would the constitutional principle that the executive authority is vested in the office of the president,
    to which all other executive authority is SUBORDINATE. The office of president would thereby obviously be strengthened, not diminished.

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    • Michael says:

      Well said!

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    • cwf60 says:

      The irony in all of this is not lost on those paying attention. The president has constitutional executive authority, and we are being told that using that authority would set a bad precedent in the future. Where were all these people when former presidents especially Obama stepped on the Constitution? We are in a Constitutional crisis with a coup being perpetuated against a duly elected president. Is no one able to stop this and the destruction of the country?

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    • Concerned says:

      Great Job! Well Done.

      It’s clear that the FBI and DOJ are no-longer viable Entity’s. I am sure that President Trump knows how, to deal with dysfunctional organizations.

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      • singingsoul says:

        I am now convinced more than eve that the people who wrote the letter to the NYT come from the WH lawyers. The reason I say it is the revelation of the FISA will show how corrupt DOJ and FBI were to frame POTUS. This will clear POTUS.
        Why would lawyers not want to protect POTUS and work against him…? That is how I see it. DOJ Session the WH Lawyers all recused themselves and left POTUS to fend for himself. That is a cue because they are there to protect any President not just Trump.
        Maybe I see it wrong..? I am not as smart as others on this forum.

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        • cozette says:

          Why do you believe that what Trumps lawyer is actually saying when its based on unnamed sources? President Trump said we should consider such info FAKE NEWS. Remember?

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    • USTerminator says:

      The DEEP STATE rats maybe in luck that the storm Florence will take the headline for 1 week or more. Release the FISA will be buried by Florence.

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      • Little pink houses says:

        Remember when a hurricane disrupted the last couple of weeks of the Romney campaign giving Barry a chance to pretend to be presidential? God works through His creation in very interesting ways. Perhaps President Trump has a unique opportunity to display his compassion and leadership skills. Maybe even sway many as to his love for his country and all its people.
        Then Declassify!!!
        Prayers for health and safety of all in harms way.

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    • Barne- EXCELLENT points.

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    • DanO64 says:

      agree.

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      Barnestomer, Excellent, I fully agree.

      The Constitution is clear as to who wields the executive authority. PDJT is CIC and is empowered to declassify. His Article II, Sec 2 powers are clear cut, and no other government branch is similarly empowered.

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  4. Michael says:

    …………. , out of the concern for the precedent it would set as well as any unintended consequences of making the information public.

    (1) You can bet if VSGPOTUS does any declassifications the swamp will damn sure create unintended consequences so IMO this irrelevant. Precedent? The entire country is suffering from unprecedented destructive actions.

    (2) This BS will NEVER end unless DJT ends it with extreme prejudice. After DJT leaves office they will continue the effort to destroy the Trump family so never to be again challenged. Salt their fields kill them all.

    (3) I feel like I am suffering amputation in slow motion!
    Just do it and get it over with.

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  5. AccountabilityPlease says:

    The idea that it sets a precedent where future presidents must always comply with Congressional declassification requests doesn’t hold water. Each case must be reviewed on its own merits, and the circumstances of this case are unprecedented. In my opinion, the public record already provides compelling evidence of a FBI/DOJ conspiracy against Trump and justifies a push for maximum transparency. If the information in question buttresses that case in a significant way, then declassifying the information ASAP is a no-brainer.

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    • Justin says:

      Perhaps Trump should just set up a bathroom server in his NY condo and store the documents there. Then Wikileaks can send them on to Congress for him.

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    • Bugsdaddy says:

      Why can’t the President direct that all the memo’s, warrant, whatever that was previously released to the Senate committee, be handed over to Mr Meadows committee? After all, if it is OK to release to one group in Congress, why not the other? No need to declassify anything at this point, but it will give Meadows and others the traction they need to continue pushing this rope uphill.

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    • marko says:

      Exactly ..this is a criminal conspiracy against POTUS ignore them and declassify all of it. I’m infuriated that text messages continued to be dribbled out. Release it ALL.

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      • cozette says:

        Why are you infuriated? If everything were released at once key pieces would be lost in a glut of info. It would be easier to falsify tthe narrative. This latest release of text messages returns the focus to the DOJ/FBI plotters collusion with the media. I believe Weisman, Muellers attack dog is tied in as well. This has led to the resurfacing of Horowitzs report where he charts out individuals and their contacts with media. He even includes the number of contacts. Lets not be like Kasich, shovelling food down. As candidate Trump said repeatedly, “Tiny bites.” Frankly, since our VSG knows EVERYTHING, Im going to trust him to determine the best strategy, tactics and timing to win this war for us. We need to focus on WINNING the election in 55 days.

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  6. Betty says:

    I am so sick of this, it is OUR GOVERNMENT, we own it. Suspend the FISA Court until every action has been brought to light and it can be demonstrated We The People can trust it. That means getting rid of all the current judges, and a complete and open review of everything they have done since they were empowered – Chief Justice Roberts.

    Abolish the FBI forever – “The FBI has shown itself to be a clear and present danger to our republic. When an organization with that much power is corrupted, it must be disbanded. Maybe a new organization can come from its ashes, but we cannot trust this one ever again. They hold a knife at the throat of every American citizen…”
    -Author Unknown

    And while your at it, tell the FCC to deny service to Facebook, Google-YouTube, Apple and Spotify until they lift all bans on. Tell the haters to just walk away, turn it off, unfriend/unfollow or just don’t visit that site. Stop shoving your agenda down our throats – just leave the rest of us decide for ourselves.

    REPEAT – FCC DENY SERVICE TILL ALL BANS ARE LIFTED. I believe this IS a national emergency, they will get democrats elected any way they can, and the one way they For Sure have to use is Election Fraud. Silencing All Of Us after they have cheated while gas-lighting everyone else by saying that any objection to the election simply conspiracy theory – Obama is already softening the ground.

    I don’t know what the FCC authority is here, and I don’t care, let the FCC freeze them out now and it can all be sorted out in court after the November election.

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    • Concerned says:

      I would fire a great many people at the DOJ and FBI, tomorrow. It’s Mueller’s intent to impeach the President. Well, try doing it while your on the unemployment line right along with the rest of your buddies. I would drive all of this corruption into the supreme court and force it to become visible. The President can expect support from his base and after allot of these documents become visible to the public, allot more.

      Now, it’s possible for the President to lose. But, these people are clearly coming after him anyway. Choose your battle ground and let hell rain down!

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    • mickjt says:

      The FCC can indeed ‘turn them off’, they use public airwaves in the form of microwave, satellite and US owned Internet Facilities.

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  7. Concerned says:

    It seems to me that the only way of dealing with this:
     
    "The executive branch is in a squabble against itself due to malfeasance inside its law enforcement arm. It has been framing the President for crimes that Congress suspects he didn’t
    commit."

     
    Is to hit the conspirators hard before midterm. Before they do the same to him!

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  8. lawton says:

    The more you think about what is being shown now the more absolutely insane it was and only Trump derangement syndrome could possibly explain their actions especially after he took office in 2017.

    These arrogant clowns running the FBI McCabe and Comey most likely (if you listen to Strzok’s Attorney’s statement and read into it) authorized Strzok and Page to leak to the news media in April 2017 that Carter Page was under investigation for criminal links to Russia including the fact that the FISA Court had approved a spying warrant on him. This was done even though they supposedly think he is working with Russia still and is currently being spied on and then the clowns even file a 3rd FISA renewal using the same newspaper leaks they released – over 2 months later at the end of June 2017. Rosenstein actually approved that one on the DOJ end and then denied he hardly knew any specifics about it when questioned by congress about it.

    I am sure their stories will start differing when the stuff hits the fan buts its clear as day Strzok and Page leaked that looking at the e-mails and its pretty likely Comey and them authorized it. If this isn’t a smoking gun that there was a clear conspiracy against the POTUS doing this leaking on an active case and purposely revealing Page etc. is being spied on I don’t know what is. There is never any special counsel or anything without this planned BS.

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    • mickjt says:

      That is why the FISA Judge that approved the warrants recused himself…He saw the Axe falling toward his neck and he turned tail. I suspect he’s a Democrap so he cowarded his way out of it but won’t turn over evidence…

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  9. Rlctoo says:

    This is a historic point of constitutional crisis.
    Only transparency will restore the trust of We The People.

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    • Phillie_fan62 says:

      I think he should just declassify everything. Why are his lawyers worried about precedent? He’s done nothing wrong and they know it! Show the whole country just how crooked and deceitful all these players are. That includes what ever judges are involved. All the way up to Roberts! Anyone who was complicit in the whole farce should be fired/procecuted/ removed from their positions. declassify would pull the plug on the swamp and there’ll be a big gurgling sound as the swamp goes down the drain!

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  10. Don’t think for one minute that Sessions is doing nothing- he is as committed as ever! You all need to do some reading of Sun Tzu

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  11. MLK says:

    A principal reason I give POTUS Trump superlative marks is that he’s understood from the moment he took the oath he had to act to win the 2018 midterms or all would be lost.

    Particularly with the midterms only 60 days away, everything is subsidiary.

    In other words, the only question that should be entertained — and I’m confident that POTUS is thinking of this declassification this way — is whether it assists Republicans in winning the midterms and what risks in that respect it carries?

    That counsels in my view toward letting Rosenstein/Wray ‘win’ on redactions for sources and methods. In my view, they and the Democrats lose by winning on this in the context of the midterms.

    Contra conventional wisdom, if the election were held today I think Republicans would at worst lose 6 seats in the House. Nothing should be done on this or anything else that might redound against Republicans in the midterms — with the key word be ‘might.’

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    • Concerned says:

      We know, from history that appeasement will never work, just review how World War Two started, if an example is needed. I believe, that our President must make the corruption so visible (i.e., documents, audio records, video, etc) that even the MSM would be forced to cover it. He may even, be driven to a point of bring the military into play.

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      • Concerned- TOTALLY AGREE with your post. The only reason we have come this far to MAGA is because our President Trump has refused to compromise one bit of his moral high ground. #MAGA 2020 & 4 EVER

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        • MLK says:

          That’s factually incorrect. POTUS Trump has brilliantly not allowed his opponents to distract and derail him from MAGA in all its fullness by taking their bait. By, for example, firing Mueller or Rosenstein.

          With all due respect to ‘Concerned,’ this is a Factional War like no other before, middle school social studies analogues (WWII Appeasement) just won’t do.

          Patience. POTUS Trump will put the wood to them after winning the midterms.

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  12. scrap1ron says:

    Just do it.

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  13. Bogeyfree says:

    IMO PT MUST at least tweet his plan out to his base BEFORE the storm and BEFORE the left strikes again.

    This can be a simple letter or a quick tv address such as:

    My fellow Americans, as you have seen after 20 months of non-stop looking by the SC there is no Trump /Russian collusion. But what we have seen is potential corruption and fraud within the FBI/DOJ.

    So In conjunction with numerous congressional requests, I have decided to declassify the FISA warrant, the FBI 302’s, the Bruce Ohr testimony and more Strzok/Page texts so you the American people can see the real truth behind this fraud.

    With the hurricane fast approaching my focus these next 7-14 days will be on helping those Americans effected by the storm but I wanted to make sure with the recent Strzok and Page text that were revealed yesterday implying they were feeding the media with op-ed information, that all Americans know I WILL Be declassify and unveiling this fraud and spying cover-up once the storm passes.

    Then once we expose this Russian Collusion fraud I WILL Be making some changes to my leadership team within the executive branch and begin the process of looking back 5-8 years at what other illegal spying was done on Americans. It is time we clean out this swamp together.

    I thank you for your continued support and ask that you all get out and vote at the upcoming mid-term elections.

    My thoughts and prayers are with those in the path of the storm.

    God bless.

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      • Bogeyfree says:

        I just really think his base needs to hear from him before the storm hits if at all possible and this is short, to the point and includes his compassion for the people in harms way.

        And with the recent Strzok/Page op-ed text coming out yesterday, IMO the timing is perfect as it ties perfectly with the evidence that is building against the FBI/DOJ.

        If he waits 7-14 for the storm to pass he loses this momentum and opportunity presented by these new texts.

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  14. So, Don McGahn screwed the President with his 34 hours of testimony to Mueller. Then, he shuts down his legal team to defend Trump on the Russia matter because of conflicts of interest. Sessions’ recusal has left Trump wide open as well. McGahn is part of the Swamp.

    POTUS needs to order Wray/RR to declassify the information – NOW! If they refuse, get them out. Period.

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  15. hardworkingsob says:

    Sadly, so much of the news these days, whether it’s the clergy or government officials, is about the abuse of power and the misguided attempt to hide it.

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  16. rayvandune says:

    “Finally we are starting to see articles outlining the actual reality of the issues behind the congressional declassification request…”

    Where are you seeing them? My local librag hasn’t ever had anything even remotely relevant to this. NPR es omertà. The evening news? Ha! Their coverage will begin at “Unexpectedly, Trump and 50 US Marshalls in Early Morning Raid on DOJ – Sessions Exiled to Elba”

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  17. pgroup says:

    Once again, let me state that it is not intelligence that is the subject of this discussion; it is political strategy materials which are not permitted to be classified. There cannot be any sources and methods because these docs are not intelligence.

    Everybody knows the source of these docs; they are not products of a legitimate intelligence operation. Therefore, NONE OF IT CAN BE LEGALLY CLASSIFIED even though the docs were labelled as classified. Every classified doc in this affair has been illegally classified.

    This is a gigantic kabuki theater and I speculate that DJT knows full well that there are no classified materials involved. He is simply waiting for the best time to reveal the truth that I have stated herein.

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  18. Sherri Young says:

    Hurricane Florence needs to forget about the Carolinas and make a bee line for Babylon on the Potomac.
    ============
    Pray. God is bigger than the swamp.

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  19. Ned Zeppelin says:

    What (we should ask ourselves) the goal of the partial or full declassification and release (D/R) of these documents? It will of course be a satisfying moment for those of us in the Red Pill category. I think we then believe a number of things will happen, but the mechanism of how that happens post release somewhat eludes me. Will the MSM turn and do a mea culpa, and carefully explain to its viewers and readers the significance of these documents, how culpable the conduct, how worthy of prosecution? Other than the WSJ, I doubt it. Will it inspire or force long anticipated prosecutorial actions, such as indictments and arrests? I doubt it – the prosecutors already have all of this information and are moving at a snail’s pace. Heck, the NYT has the unredacted FISA applications.
    Will it help energize Republican pro-Trumpers to vote in the mid terms, to turn out in droves? If it does this last thing alone, it is worth it. I predict the attitude of the left and NTs will be unchanged, even emboldened – these are true believers we are dealing with who are already overlooking clearly subversive and even criminal activity by government actors. Only arrests will change that course, and the D/R will likely not affect the timing of those events.

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    • Doug says:

      Zep. I totally believe we live in an alternative universe from the hard core leftists. And that crowd is waaaaay bigger than I ever thought possible. I agree with your assessment above and would add, First Things First.
      Let’s retain the House so all these crimes are not brushed under the rug.

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      Ned,
      I think it will drive the left to do its natural thing, violence. That drives the walkawayers and independents further in our direction. Declassification also further harms the media, a good thing as it is merely an arm of the enemy party.

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  20. Habymom says:

    The FBI/DOJ’s “sources and methods ARE the issue! (Illegal searches on FBI database revealed in the FISC order, the use of the two-hop rule, running agents at low-level members of the campaign to set them up, altering 302s after interviews. The truth would be incomplete without the sources and methods information. I say declassify it ALL. It’s the only we can have a chance of preventing a reoccurrence!!!IMHO.

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  21. bjmatl says:

    …So why doesn’t someone call Wiessman and Mueller themselves as witnesses as well as Rosenstein? Considering their own conflicts of interest / direct connections to Comey and others, how can they not possibly be compromised and forced to recuse???

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  22. Brant says:

    This maybe has been noted here before. I heard on late night radio (or maybe Rush) that this “sources and methods” does not go back to just Trump or even years, but decades. Thousands of trial verdicts could be in jeopardy. Lawyers should be loving the possibilities. Yes, I want total clarity and declassification, but you can see why they are hanging on by their fingernails. Allowing, this will open huge can of worms……. And yes, I hope he does it.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      At this point Tough dodo. PT is surrounded by a 1,000 samurais.

      His Calvary is the American people if they can see the truth that it was the FBI/DOJ trying to frame and take down a sitting President.

      I would rather see justice done here and take the chance that 1,000 prior felons walk.

      PT is our only chance at draining the swamp. He must I for his base on his intentions and not just I might have to get involved.

      He has a 36 hour window to at least notify his base that he WILL Be declassifying the FISA, 302’s etc once the storm passes.

      That right there will fire up the base to no end IMO.

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  23. Greg says:

    Declassifications will create unintended consequences; what can be more of an unintended consequence then destroying the Rule of Law, Constitution, changes the U.S. into a 3rd world county and our way of life.

    Justice will happen soon or the Criminals, Media, Clintons and Globalist will win the War.

    PDJT will win the war!

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  24. trapper says:

    From the linked Classification Conundrum: “Yes, the President can declassify anything; however, there is a process that must be followed.”

    No. There is not.

    Executive Order 13526 was issued by Obama. It is merely a presidential order, not a statute passed by Congress and signed by the president, and as such may be followed, modified, rescinded, or totally ignored by any subsequent president, or anyone who works for the president if the president so directs it. So – I don’t see the problem. There is no problem. There is no conundrum.

    Nothing here involves atomic secrets or secret military technology. There is no national security issue. What’s involved was nothing more than using unverified gossip and election year dirt gathering to illegally obtain a warrant to spy on an American citizen. PDJT can get all the DOJ/FBI opinions and input and suggestions (or not, if he so chooses), and then proceed to ignore all of them and declassify all of it on his own constitutional authority, and no one has standing to challenge him.

    So get on with it.

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  25. trapper says:

    Oh, and by the way, it’s time for a lawyer to advise PDJT who isn’t tethered to the DOJ.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      Amen. And why can’t thT be Joe. How is his conflict any worse than Sessions, Rosenstein, Weissman and Mueller? You don’t see those theee refusing themselves so PT and Joe should tell RR to F off

      It is time for PT to be the LION and take no BS from anyone within the DOJ or FBI

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  26. JX says:

    So the president declassifying Executive Branch documents creates a bad precedent? Really?

    DOJ “sources and methods” are the issue, those sources and methods are criminal. Yet WH counsel wants to protect DOJ.

    Disgusting.

    Fire WH counsel, declassify it all, and let the rats burn.

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  27. DanO64 says:

    You know the video clip with Steve Martin asking for a sign? Any kind of sign. Just any little sign.

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  28. dawg says:

    QUESTION:

    Can a FISA court approve a FISA application without a hearing?

    Does anyone know the answer?

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  29. Ray says:

    I know the negatives ,at least the one I can see. But to this point the Dems have won the public perception. There should be no more than 10-15% of people who believe there is anything to it.
    POTUS is getting bad advice or some of the lawyers are moles.

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    • cozette says:

      Please give your source for saying that the Dems have won the public perception game. Are you basing this on the same sources who told us on the eve of the election that Trump had a 1.6% chance of winning? Tune out #fakenews its Satans mouthpiece.

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  30. Phil aka Felipe says:

    They, the Swamp, are going to drag this out, using any tool at their disposal, till the mid terms in hopes there will be a ‘blue wave’.

    Our side, ‘conservative’, patriotic limited government Constitutionalists, have been led by the Republicans who never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity…until MAGA Trump.

    I’m betting on Trump to pull out another WIN on this ‘Conundrum’.

    (Be sure to you take your Winamins today)

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  31. Donna in Oregon says:

    Maybe the Americans that are evacuating for the storms can just keep going to Washington DC and protest for President Trump’s agenda. Right between 935 Pennsylvania Avenue and 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW.

    Starting with releasing all the documents the sneaks at the DOJ/FBI are trying to hide. This subversion of FISC and the Spygate fascism that we appear to be allowing deserves a strong reaction.

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  32. Kathy says:

    Any Constitutional experts here today? Am wondering about the THIRD branch of our government (the Judiciary). In theory, could Judge Rosemary Collyer or Chief Justice Roberts nullify the Carter Page warrant because of the DOJ/FBI shenanigans? And, if so, would this be enough to end Mueller’s probe and all resulting indictments? My understanding is that FISC has already seen all the classified information; so can the Judiciary hand down a ruling WITHOUT unredacting or declassifying what the Executive and Legislative branches are fighting about?

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    • Mark McQueen says:

      I don’t think they can do it without a formal complaint and a hearing…and no, I’m not an expert.

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    • jmclever says:

      According to the earlier article, the Intel Gang of 8 has seen documents that were not given to the FISC. If its possible, as the presiding FISA judge, I’d call a new hearing to include all the docs. What is procedure when the FBI has willfully defrauded the court and violated procedure?

      One of the greater issues not often discussed amidst the calls for heads to roll and declassification is how to prevent bad actors from abusing the system in the future.

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      • jmclever says:

        One idea is to prosecute to the full extent of the law all the agents and directors who participated. Especially the ones who signed the applications under penalty of perjury. Negligence no excuse. Finally, prosecute no matter how high up it goes. The left will use any and all of our collective goodness like mercy and benefit of the doubt against us. No matter how we proceed it is a Constitutional Crisis that we have to solve. If we dont, we are guaranteed it will happen again.

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      • Mark McQueen says:

        Unfortunately with the nature of FISA the system (Judiciary in this case) has to police itself. What could possibly go wrong?

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  33. drkate says:

    I appreciate that there is this “issue”, but I honestly think the declassification is waiting for the right timing and this is part of the “theater”. There is a bigger strategy in place that will confound all our predictions!

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  34. jmclever says:

    W.R.T. setting precedent, IMHO the lengths that POTUS has gone to to avoid “going nuclear” woukd be part of the example he is setting for posterity. A worse precedent woild be allowing the DC administrative state (the Swamp) to use the DoJ/FBI and IC community to frame and remove opposition candidates and sitting President at their whim.

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  35. daughnworks247 says:

    Thank you, Sundance. Sharing across all platforms.

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  36. Just Beachy says:

    How about a convenient “Leak” from those reviewing the information for possible declassification? I’m sure anything the government undertakes uses at least 10x the number of people it would normally take. My logic being there are quite a few opportunities. And since the media already has it, who can say for sure who leaked it?
    Or one of these representatives not running for re-election could grow a set and read it out loud and live on the house floor. Just for fun, I would add at the end that he/she must have taken too much cold medicine. Just have a Spartacus moment!

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  37. 6x47 says:

    It was very, very clever of the Small Group to claim to be investigating the Trump campaign and the 2016 election. That is the kryptonite they used to neutralize all of Trump’s people from the Attorney General to the White House Counsel.

    And isn’t it funny – all the Trump people who have conflicts of interest dutifully recuse, but all the conflicted 8 ways to Sunday investigators on Mueller’s team and Rosenstein with the VERY SAME CONFLICTS don’t.

    Democrats sure got it good.

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    • cozette says:

      Until now. That is why Trump very oddly started tweeting recently about Session’s (very proper) recusal. It wasnt about Sessions but rather a time released bank shot that will soon take out the ones with REAL conflicts of interests who should have recused themselves just as Sessions did. Think Rosenstein. Think Mueller. Think his pit bull, Weissman. Trump has always been known as a VERY patient and ruthless man who is brilliant at the long game. Thank God hes in charge rather than some of his impatient “supporters”.

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  38. deguello13 says:

    The President also needs to require the release of the first Carter Page FISA Request, the one that was reportedly rejected by the court in a highly irregular ruling, so that its contents can be compared with the ones granted. I’ll wager the only difference is the subsequent addition of the Dirty Dossier and newspaper articles from leaks from it. Also, I would like to see the FBI/DOJ return of service on the warrants issued to see what caused the warrants to keep being approved.

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  39. Lo says:

    The only people afraid of the TRUTH are the people not telling it.

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  40. appraisher says:

    The real conundrum is why the perpetrators of the crimes are allowed to control the evidence that shows that they’re the perpetrators of the crimes, by using “National Security” (that they don’t give a damn about) to withhold said evidence!

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  41. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    This declassification business can wait until after the mid-term elections. No use in giving the weasels in corporate mas media something meaty to lie about at this point. The revelations coming later in November can also include the rationale for shutting down the crooked Mueller investigation!

    M A G A ~~~ VOTE

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  42. Beth02 says:

    Lest we forget, this document that the Swamp does not want redacted has been in the media’s hands unredacted for a year. So while the Swamp and their media are allowed to see it, the American people do not. Ridiculous.

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  43. MontanaMel says:

    Hogwash!
    Our President has the Constitutional authority. He has the power of the pen just like Obama did – so he can undo or redo or void anything that even remotely stands in his way – of total disclosure!
    This “after the mid-term election” smacks of playing directly into the hands of the swamp… This “play” is the only thing keeping mule face employed… AND…we do have this most unusual storm blowing right in our East front door….

    WE have all daylight Thursday for “something” to come out….to further push the cause forward…perhaps not the entire stack….perhaps only the un-redacted text messages, ALL of them, in detail… to start this dump off with a bang….let them soak during the storm coverage with little or low coverage….let us dissect the 1000’s of pages during this quiet/down time… and, then, in maybe 5 to 7 days — we can lay it all out—with graphics and arrows and pictures, etc… This delays the FISA court issues and questions just long enough for such documents to become our Oct claymore….shred the bums… drop ’em where they stand… Check-6

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  44. zucccchini says:

    Let’s not divulge this because it divulges everything????….is that the theme of this. Let’s not divulge this because some place in there is things we do not want the public to know….like “sources and methods”?? REALLY. Wikileaks, Snowden, open servers to public scrutiny across the waters,,,REALLY. I do not think we have a thing to lose but more of our sovereign republic.

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  45. para59r says:

    So essentially it comes down to this:

    “WH legal counselors worry about what happens when Democrats control the House and make similar declassification demands of the executive in the future”

    But it’s not the House’s decision. Its their recommendation so this seems moot. Declassification power remains with the executive. Am I missing something?

    And this:

    “; or if the executive is held by opposition and uses declassification to target their political opposition. ”

    Great! Trump has reason to keep things clean. Hopefully others will too or else then when we need this again we can cut through all the bull because we have precedent.

    Additionally to make the second work means an exchange of power. I’m sorry but we are not going to get a change of power without an actual war at this point given how the Dem’s have shown themselves to be. The Dems need to dissolve and another party needs to come into fruition. One not tied to leftist ideas. I don’t think I’m wrong. We just haven’t had this talk yet.

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  46. Curmudgeon2k says:

    Somebody please just leak the damn things!

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  47. Ray says:

    I think it started with Judges that wrote their own laws, not that there haven’t been crooked cops since the beginning off time. But you start doing it systemicly and you corrupt the system.

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