Mars -v- Venus: Three Reality Disconnected Canadians Talk U.S. Relations and NAFTA…

Seek first to understand.  During an assembly of Canadian left-spectrum pundits the U.S. and Canada relationship is the topic; the backdrop is the economic consequences, trade and NAFTA.   In this group the high-minded Canadians express their views, their wounded sensibilities, and yet simultaneously highlight an important strategic flaw.

Within their political frame-of-reference, they cannot fathom the tenuous nature of their dependency.  They think they are more important than they are. Their inability to accept the weakness of their economic position is based on their feelings. Pride is very dangerous in negotiations amid apex predators. If you are prideful you provide a strategic advantage for the opposition.  In negotiations, President Trump doesn’t care about ‘feelings’ or opinions toward his approach.

The Canadian economic position is ‘not to lose‘, the Trump position is to win.  There is a huge strategic difference within those two perspectives.

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292 Responses to Mars -v- Venus: Three Reality Disconnected Canadians Talk U.S. Relations and NAFTA…

  1. Michael says:

    If you get bored search “Pierre Trudeau pedophile”

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  2. talker2u says:

    The Canadian economic position is ‘not to lose‘, the Trump position is to win.

    Sundance, you see it so clearly!

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    • Jedi9 says:

      I watched this interview of these three bozos, and it amazes me how delusional these dimwits are, especially with that guy in the middle, (and I have seen him before make off handed remarks to insult Trumps intelligence) who has never had anything good to say let along anything useful. I wonder what they are going to say when Trump announces the US is pulling out of NAFTA?

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      • Justanelectrician says:

        I think it would be in Canada’s best interest to gag that guy, Coyne, and put him in storage until the negotiations are over.

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        • Jedi9 says:

          Unfortunately I don’t think Canadian politicians and the ones who are in charge of controlling such narratives have this skill-set to realize that gagging this guy is in their best interest. They are simply aloof to the seeing the bigger picture and they rather risk shooting themselves than actually working at an amicable solution. They should have known a long time ago that Trump is a different animal and one that won’t back down. I guess that is the difference between an Alpha male and a metro-sexual whose only solution is to virtue signal on why the US should continue subsidizing the Canadian economy at the expense of the American worker! Seriously, when one really looks at this on face value and see the absurdity of the positions these people are advocating on, it really is beyond bizarre, its almost insanity!

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          • That’s the position we were in before Trump. US is even worse, the more we lost, the better. We could not even put a gag order on our previous prez.

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          • Mickturn says:

            “Seriously, when one really looks at this on face value and see the absurdity of the positions these people are advocating on, it really is beyond bizarre, its almost insanity!”

            You just clearly defined Leftists of all stripes…and why they are losing and will continue to lose! Insanity defined very aptly by Einstein is ‘Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.’ Trump, on the other hand, changes the dynamics of the game so the same old stuff is not just irrelevant but unworkable, something arrogant morons will never understand.

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        • rsmith1776 says:

          I agree with most of your sentence, until “until the negotiations are over”.

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  3. Echo says:

    Game, set match.
    The threat of a 20% (plus) tariff on EU cars entering the US will German minds wonderfully.
    Germany can be expected to suffer a nervous breakdown.
    That’s what happens when the US hating Obama adolescents give way to businessmen like PDJT and his estimable Commerce Secretary Wilbur who don’t hate America.. They’ve been dealing with crony punk politicians all their working lives.

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    • Echo says:

      ” will concentrate German minds wonderfully”.

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    • ukibob22 says:

      You don’t understand the issues in germany. The german automakers are ALSO under political control by the leftist green idi***.

      Most of the normal capitalistic people would LOVE if the leftist power is broken and they can do the normal business again.

      But first CNN must die.

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  4. Maquis says:

    I love the part where the gender conflicted individual noted that they are past lobbying as it wasn’t working for them. Shame they haven’t considered THINKING their way out of the mess THEY created.

    I also loved the freak-out over “unpredictability.” That’s our President! 😊 Deal.

    Interesting the pretty Indian gal noted that NK went from “Little Rocket Man” to a Leader and a Nation in recovery, that things can change dramatically.

    Shame she doesn’t recognize that Little Maple Man is not being wise in refusing to acknowledge and follow Kim’s example in putting trust in the truest best friend he could ever have. Trudeau, in demonizing and trying to play Trump, only gains stature from the mental and moral midgets of the Left. He could win so big, but he will lose so bad.
    Sad.

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    • Maquis says:

      Meme Fail Ammendment: Little Maple NUT.

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    • MAJA says:

      Ummm, she didn’t notice that it looks like PDJT will get everything he wants from nk?

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      • Maquis says:

        And NK from PDJT, too. Definitely an observation fail.

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        • Rhoda R says:

          That really isn’t a problem so long as what the Norks want isn’t detrimental to the US or the rest of the region. Remember, Win-Win is the best out come for business negotiations. Only fools try to defeat their negotiating partner because the loser has no real desire to live up to his/her commitments. May I remind you of the fall out from the Versailles Treaty after WWI when the Allies rubbed Germany’s nose in their defeat?

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          • Maquis says:

            No need for the reminder, I’m a big fan of Win-Win.

            I’m also a fan of making examples of those that reject that approach.

            Do want to point out though that Hitler and his lovely Deutsch Volk were wanking not only on the Treaty of Versailles. Mein Kampf cites the beginning of their woes as the Treaty of Westfalia, 1645 iirc.

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          • Mickturn says:

            ‘Never underestimate the negotiating power of ‘appealing to the greed of the person across the table’. Don’t know who said it, if no one I take credit.

            “You have to go out and learn to negotiate–it’s not a natural skill,” says Eldonna Lewis-Fernandez, author of Think Like a Negotiator. “It’s like playing baseball; you have to do it to get good at it.”

            It appears the Canadians, EU, Mexico etc. have never ‘really negotiated’ anything, they just were handed gifts by those who make money selling out America (Hitlery are you awake?)

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    • petepokyhomt says:

      President Trump’s “unpredictability”

      A week or two ago someone in CTH comments posted this link to an article “Trump’s 5 Rules for Ruling the World”
      https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270456/trumps-5-rules-ruling-world-daniel-greenfield

      Here is a summary of the article. Note number 3:
      1. Act, Don’t React
      2. Try Everything
      3. Chaos is Power
      4. Never Show Your Hand
      5. Don’t Be Afraid to be the Bad Guy

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  5. 6x47 says:

    The man in the middle is most insulting and clueless. President Trump has been crystal clear about his intentions and strategy. The Canadians don’t like what they hear and so choose to disbelieve It instead.

    His flummoxed reference to “tantrum of the week” and the “revolving door” staff who don’t know what the idiot President wants and can’t even agree with one another is the very definition of obtuse.

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    • Jedi9 says:

      Yes agree, and very well stated!

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    • John Good says:

      I’m a Canadian who has studied American Politics for 10 yrs. now & Donald J. Trump was one of my mentors during the 80’s when I had my Sign Company.
      I am offended that these 3 “experts” were invited on TV, to speak about NAFTA & especially “offended” with Trudeau & Freeland at the G6 conference in Quebec.
      NONE of these people “have a clue” about business, economics or accounting & should not be “negotiating the future of our Country” .
      We deserve what we get & it’s not going to be pretty!
      Makes me glad that I am retired!

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  6. fred5678 says:

    They are all dressed appropriately — even the moderator — in BLACK.

    For their Canadian trade advantage FUNERAL.

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  7. fred5678 says:

    First question from moderator: “Where would you say it is at right now?”, versus the more traditional and proper “Where would you say it is right now?”

    It went downh9ill from there.

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  8. Stab, the unstoppable hero says:

    So… To be absolutely clear here. If I am negotiating for something and I don’t want to… lose. I should keep… talking. Also I should… wait. So… talk and…wait.
    Is that right ?

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    • Mickturn says:

      Yes, if one wants to lose their shorts…talking too much is really bad…you remove all doubt you’re an idiot.

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  9. truthbomb says:

    Wow! Moribund meeting between Freeland, chief NAFTA negotiator Steve Verheul and Canada’s NAFTA Council. Hasn’t talked to US in 2-3 weeks. Meanwhile, Trump sends letter to Trudeau demanding 2% of their GDP for NATO. 🙂

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-don-t-have-any-active-negotiations-on-nafta-1.4718723

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  10. MVW says:

    I am going to spell it out in simple terms. POTUS is offering no barriers. NONE. Why freak out? Just compete, easy. Nothing Canadians can’t do that Americans can…

    There is where the unstated stands… like the living room elephant. Canada has serious Socialist shackles, like taxes, regs (the old ‘green’ Socialist World Gruberment kind) and these make the difference. No Socialist wants to face it that the ‘Big Dream’ is a fake Utopia that must be subsidized… by the US.

    Pure and simple, Socialistic countries can’t compete on a level field. Instinctively everyone knows it. That is why a level field freaks them all out. But they won’t ever admit it.

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    • LetsPlay says:

      MVW, you nailed it! Since the end of WW2, the US has been subsidizing, in one way or another the progress of the rest of the world and do we get any thanks? Hell no! All we get are globalist dreams of trapping the US into being the Golden Goose in a cage that will keep funding the rich until even the internal socialists kill off the golden goose.

      We are so lucky, fortunate, to have a man at the helm who is not playing stupid State Dept. negotiation games. I just watched a Nat Geo special on North Korea as part of their series on Dictators. All their “experts” interviewed were past State Dept weenies who lamented the five points that Trump professes to work by. They kept showing Madeline Halfwit, and Christopher CHill, who oh so softly urged a “diplomatic” approach to these difficult and sensitive issues. Never once did they say anything about solving the problem. Go figure.

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      • Risa says:

        Slight refinement of your very correct statement on the U.S. subsidizing the rest of the world: The working people in the U.S. have been the group forced to subsidize the rest of the world, while our elites have become richer.

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      • Mickturn says:

        All talk and no walk, that is what Diplomats specialize in.

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  11. MAGAbear says:

    I see Levin is pushing his free trade nonsense on his Fox show tonight. The one argument that he and free trading allies make that they never define (and for good reason) is: who is the consumer? They talk about the consumer benefiting from lower prices of imported goods but avoid mentioning that the millions of Americans who have lost good manufacturing jobs and the jobs that supported those manufacturing industries lost their purchasing power and can no longer afford anything but the bare essentials of life. Lower consumer prices aren’t nearly as beneficial to those people as having a good job were.

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    • Angel Martin says:

      Foreign dependency is death !

      After the end of the corn laws, Britain had a hundred years of cheaper imported food, and then were nearly starved to death by Hitler and his U boats.

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    • Mickturn says:

      Anyone that says foreign stuff is always a good deal is an idiot. It all depends on the product. What the Chicoms make is JUNK. You have to buy one of each every year just to replace those that fall apart. Why not buy a quality American Made item and buy it once for 20% more? Next time you go to a store to buy something, like garden tools, look at the price and quality. You will quickly notice that the Chicom stuff is flimsy and poorly made…contrast that to American made. You will see what the ‘real deal’ is!
      Of course this doesn’t apply to every product, be wise, do your analysis…then buy.

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  12. Angel Martin says:

    As a Canadian, this nonsense is so frustrating to watch.

    We don’t have the trade leverage we used to. When the USA was a big oil importer, Canada (and Mexico) had some leverage. That is no longer true, yet Baby-Doc and co. attempt to negotiate as if it still is.

    Trump is going to return manufacturing activity to the USA. The choice for Canada is:
    -manuf activity moves from China to USA
    -manuf activity moves from Canada to USA

    One would have thought that the choice for the gov’t of Canada would be obvious, but these guys are so BRAIN DEAD that they think things will continue as they have.

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  13. Newhere says:

    It’s hilarious to me that for all the snobbery they haven’t a clue how to interpret President Trump. So certain are they he’s inept and that their sophisticated diplomacy eventually will carry the day.

    They actually find hope in his pivot from “little rocket man” to a peace deal with North Korea — they seriously take it as a sign that one day Trump will just change his mind. Blocked by their own view of diplomacy-as-theater from seeing any deeper logic or strategy. In their minds, the situations might as well be the same. Delusional. The thinking is so silly it’s just embarrassing.

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    • Maquis says:

      Trump is doing the once unimaginable, saving NK from China and our Deep State, and Canada only needs to be saved from…themselves, yet they “Resist.” Fools.

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  14. Lynn Morton says:

    I lived in Canada for decades, opposed NAFTA and all free trade deals. Canada neither needs them or predatory American corporations. Ending NAFTA is the best thing that could happen for Canadians. There would short term pain and then, Canadians would start making their own products again, boosting the local economy and the national one.
    The period of recession would make Canada undesirable to the world body of migrants, and less immigration would be great.

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  15. SharonKinDC says:

    To quote QAnon: “these people are stupid”

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  16. Mickturn says:

    As stated by Sundance above, “The Canadian economic position is ‘not to lose‘…”. Thereby guaranteeing their defeat. I can’t imagine the Canadians can get past their Arrogance (mostly from their French background) and will be consumed by their own opinion of themselves. That will leave a very wide path for President Trump to drive through his D9 Bulldozer!

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