Big Picture Question: How Do We Know?…

Yesterday the news broke of Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chairman, Mark Warner, seeking covert contact with ‘Clinton-Steele Dossier’ originating entity Christopher Steele.

Within the March/April 2017 communication, the back-and-forth centered around Chris Steele wanting a written request signed by both the Vice-Chair (Warner) and the Senate Committee Chairman, Richard Burr.

Without that bi-partisan request, Steele was not willing to engage with Warner unilaterally.  If you consider the timing of the attempted communication (March ’17), and you overlay the expressed concerns therein; against the backdrop of the 2016 DC severe ideological effort the push for a special counsel probe based on false pretense against newly-elected President Trump; a picture emerges of Christopher Steele recognizing his endeavors within the enterprise carried considerable risk.

Vice-Chairman Warner didn’t want a ‘paper trail’ and transparently didn’t want the political opposition (republican members), to know of his political intent.  Therefore Warner never asked Chairman Burr for his signature upon the letter requested by Steele. Ultimately Mr. Steele was correct in his suspicions, and prudent in his risk avoidance.

All of that is true, however, very few have stopped to ask: how did we, the viewing public, discover the Warner messaging and communication story in the first place?

How did the story of the Warner text messaging get into the media bloodstream?   Who was the ‘entity’ who investigated, discovered, and eventually released the Warner messaging?

The answers to those questions are similar to the questions that have been demonstrably overlooked ever since early December when we discover the story of Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Bruce Ohr.  Each of the aforementioned ‘small group’ officials was removed from responsibility, disciplined and currently remains in stasis.

Within the overwhelming deluge of information that flowed as a consequence no-one paused to ask: How did we, the viewing public, find out about them, all of them, and their activity?

The December 2017 Strzok, Page and Ohr revelations gave rise to massive downstream consequences:

♦FBI chief-legal-counsel James “Jim” Baker was reassigned; ♦FBI Deputy Director Andrew “Andy” McCabe was resigned; ♦DOJ Deputy Attorney Bruce Ohr was demoted again; ♦FBI Asst. Deputy Director and chief-of-staff Jim Rybicki quit; ♦Deputy Asst. Attorney General in charge of counterintelligence, David “Dave” Laufman quits;  ♦FBI Asst. Director Michael “Mike” Kortan, head of the FBI Public Affairs Office, resigns.

Questions:

How did we discover the original text messages?

  • How do we discover Page/Strzok changing the wording of the Clinton exoneration “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless”?
  • How do we discover Bruce Ohr being in contact with Fusion GPS; or working with Peter Strzok; or meeting with Christopher Steele?
  • How did we find out in December about Nellie Ohr, Bruce’s wife, working with Fusion GPS?
  • How do we find out about text messages for the “insurance policy”; or intentionally incomplete “FD-302’s”?

Most importantly – As the deluge of information now floods the geography around us, has anyone looked up to see who was the shadowy figure atop the damn who triggered the collapse?

Every current story is well down-stream from those initial releases of information into the public sunlight.  Not a single story of consequence is disconnected from the origin.  None of the FISA revelations, or anything else, would have happened without the initial December 2017 information release…

…And just like yesterday’s news about Vice-Chairman Mark Warner, no-one apparently knows where all this originating information came from.

Many vague and inferential references have been made toward the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General, and the investigative oversight of Michael Horowitz via his year-long DOJ investigation, as the impetus of the information flow.

I don’t disagree with that presentation a single bit.

It is virtually a guarantee that IG Horowitz and his team of investigators inside the apparatus are the ones who collected every bit of the evidence that has led to these and other revelations yet to come.

But that still doesn’t answer the question: How do WE find out about them?

The dutiful Michael Horowitz has a boss.

Michael Horowitz’ boss is most certainly in the loop.

His boss is:

Carry on…

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698 Responses to Big Picture Question: How Do We Know?…

  1. JimWVa says:

    Run silent. Run deep.

    Liked by 40 people

  2. mike s says:

    Dang, Sundance, you nailed it again. Brilliant.

    Liked by 24 people

  3. Marygrace Powers says:

    OMG – Son of a gun – I’ll be damned. I knew it!

    Liked by 16 people

  4. jackphatz says:

    This slow drip from AG office is killing us!!!!

    Liked by 5 people

  5. rich33y says:

    Nice article Sundance. Being that there’s only two people with all the knowledge it makes perfect sense.

    Howie might not agree, but I do.

    Liked by 23 people

  6. bluegirl says:

    Sundance you’re the BEST!!!!

    Liked by 14 people

  7. Yes. And PDJT doesn’t seem to harbour much displeasure with his AG these days….

    Liked by 10 people

  8. redtreesquirrel says:

    Ahh… Thank you Sundance. I needed to feel better about Jeff Sessions. Now I do.

    Liked by 9 people

  9. Dixie says:

    I LOVE IT!

    Liked by 10 people

  10. John Doe says:

    Thank you, Sundance. I know I needed to hear this and I think a lot of others did too. 🙂 Winning!!!

    Liked by 5 people

  11. BobInFL says:

    Shhhhhhh….he’s hunting Winos……and wats! Watch out Wubio!

    Liked by 18 people

  12. ion says:

    It ‘s not ”March/April 2016 communication” but March/April 2017 communication

    Liked by 2 people

  13. FofBW says:

    If AG Sessions is getting this info released somehow, how does that stack up with his recusal?

    Liked by 2 people

  14. Piper77 says:

    Horowitz might actually deliver us something that makes a difference. You don’t see that at all nowadays.

    Liked by 7 people

  15. dizzymissl says:

    Much to the chagrin of the Sessions trolls.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Stranded in CA says:

      Just because people have had (or still do) reservations about Jeff Sessions doesn’t make them trolls – – any more than your support makes you a groupie. Don’t be smug . . . .

      Liked by 4 people

      • dizzymissl says:

        I’m disgusted, not smug.

        Liked by 4 people

      • olderwiser21 says:

        Stranded – you took the words literally right out of my mouth! Thank you! Treepers should be able to have differing opinions on any subject without being called names. Not nice.

        Liked by 8 people

        • lumoc1 says:

          Differing opinions should are acceptable in a rational debate, obsessive or ad hominem comments maybe not so much 😉

          Liked by 3 people

        • 4wardcomm says:

          I made that mistake in yesterday’s Bill Priestap article. I had called a certain disgraced former Minnesota senator that rhymes with gal crankin’ an idiot and felt bad afterwards so I went back to delete it but then realized I don’t have that luxury. Being new here, I learned my lesson about decorum & promise not to call anyone names again.

          Liked by 1 person

      • piper567 says:

        Stranded, many people here have offered to eat crow if Sessions is doing what we wish he would.
        Its all in good will.
        Except Howie.

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      • TomF says:

        Not trolls, only fools for doubting President Trump and his excellent choice for Attorney General.
        Expressing doubt is one thing.
        Haranguing on and on about AG Sessions is another.
        Time to give it a rest.

        Liked by 2 people

    • Firefly says:

      Chaffetz has been almost hysterical over firing Sessions. I’ve never totally trusted Chaffetz.

      Liked by 10 people

      • dizzymissl says:

        Same. Makes me think he’s afraid

        Liked by 1 person

        • Dekester says:

          Too much of a coincidence that two high profile Congress Critters. Chaffetz and Gowdy have quit Congress. All within PDJTs first year or so.

          Naw..they are super dirty..

          God bless PDJT

          Liked by 1 person

          • KimmyK says:

            Draining the swamp!
            PDJT never really said how he would DTS but it’s draining. Look at all the resignations across so many different institutions.

            Next up – the “Law and Order” part

            Like

            • cdr164bn says:

              Haven’t seen anything on the CIA yet. Most of the action has been FBI and DOJ. Now we are getting a little State Department action. Where and when will Brennen and his operatives be exposed?? Some here have thought Carter Page was CIA and planted to get the Title 1 surveillance gateway. Still watching and waiting for Brennen and Clapper to be exposed.

              Like

    • KBR says:

      Some of the very best of people on this site have had doubts about Sessions. They do not deserve to be called trolls.

      Don’t agree? Then read on:

      Are you calling Sundance a troll on his own site?

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/11/03/report-attorney-general-jeff-sessions-recuses-himself-from-uranium-one-investigation/

      “If AG Jeff Sessions is recusing himself from any professional & legal role within the DOJ as it pertains to anything political he’s essentially useless in the face of any political scandal or unlawful activity by any member or participant therein.

      If this is indeed the position of Attorney General Jeff Sesssions he should resign from his appointment and allow someone who can fill the role to take his place. This is absurd.”

      (If this is indeed the position of AG Sessions)
      POTENTIALLY USELESS
      HE SHOULD RESIGN
      (Quote by Sundance from November.)

      Liked by 1 person

      • MaineCoon says:

        BUT, and this is a big but, Sundance has a character of humility in that when he comes full circle and changes his mind, he publicly states so. That is a person who put pride behind.

        We’ll see how many others do.

        Liked by 2 people

        • KBR says:

          Yes, MaineCoon. I do agree.
          We should take example from Sundance and give up on the quarrels amongst ourselves.

          Like

          • MaineCoon says:

            We really should, but I guess it’s inevitable with so many Treepers who are so very educated in many applicable fields. I guess we all put on blinders soemtimes.

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      • snarkybeach says:

        I had my doubts early but Sessions’ performance in front of that committee (Judicial?) where he was vague about investigations told me there was more beneath the surface.

        Liked by 1 person

      • dizzymissl says:

        No. I specifically said trolls.

        Like

      • ForGodandCountry says:

        Yeah. But Sundance wrote that on Nov. 3, 2017. What part about….”The December 2017 Strzok, Page and Ohr revelations” vis-a-vis Horowtiz…and all the posts and hints Sundance has been dropping since…don’t you understand?

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        • KBR says:

          I understand quite well.

          My point is not to bash others for having doubts about Sessions, because even Sundance has had and did express doubts at one time.

          I trust SD, I know he is the best of us all. He allows other reasoned opinions without rancor.

          All I am saying is Treepers are not trolls because they have different perspectives.

          What part about my several posts to please stop the Treeper “bashers”-of-Sessions vs “Bashers”-of-Session-“bashers”…

          In the interest of allowing for discussions without rancor…

          Don’t you understand?

          Liked by 1 person

  16. georgiafl says:

    Even more importantly, Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III has a BOSS – the Chief Law Enforcement and Commander of all Military Forces of the United States of America.

    That would be President Donald J. Trump – who really knows how to be a Boss and give his employees orders, hold his employees accountable and keep them loyal.

    Liked by 24 people

  17. rsanchez1990 says:

    The Jeff on the Shelf.

    You know, people have taken to calling him a little elf, but the elf on the shelf is no joke. Kids were afraid of that elf. He watches and phones home, and anyone who is naughty gets a swift boot to the ass.

    Liked by 7 people

  18. mcfyre2012 says:

    So after a year+ of investigations, who colluded with the Russians?

    Senator Mark Warner (D) Senate Intelligence Committee
    Congressman Adam Schiff (D) House Intelligence Committee
    Hillary Clinton (D) Democrat Nominee for President

    And who knew about it…the entire time?

    The top echelon of the FBI.

    Liked by 23 people

  19. Chickficshun says:

    Subdance. Didnt you mean March/April 2017, not 2016?

    Liked by 1 person

  20. wheatietoo says:

    Heheh. You mean the sleeping elf has not really been sleeping?
    The Sessions haters are not gonna like this.

    Liked by 12 people

  21. sharpshorts says:

    It takes a politician to catch a politician…

    Liked by 10 people

  22. Mark Warner was probably using the Signal app. So, the other person must have done screen caps or the NSA had broken the encryption. Probably the former.

    Liked by 4 people

  23. keeler says:

    It is interesting that Sessions has all but disappeared from media narratives.

    A year ago, he was probably the most directly-opposed of Trump’s cabinet nominations. Then there was hullabaloo about his recusal. From all appearances he had managed to push himself to the back burner, content shuffling papers and delivering speeches about immigration raids. As a result, the media bloodhounds have totally lost his scent. He’s a total non-entity to drive by media.

    Perfect cover?

    Liked by 21 people

  24. drawfortruth says:

    Scott Adams raised an interesting question today on why Christopher Steele, a foreign national, hasn’t been charged with trying to influence/interfere with our elections. His take is that if Christopher Steele had done this to Russian, China, or Iran, he would be charged, convicted, and even executed. While I’m not for executed–I would have to agree that he tried to interfere with the 2016 election. He even, apparently, had help from the Russians.

    You can view his periscope at https://www.pscp.tv/w/1RDGldeNRBoGL

    Liked by 6 people

    • keeler says:

      “why Christopher Steele, a foreign national, hasn’t been charged”

      I think a potential answer lies in what sundance wrote above:

      “a picture emerges of Christopher Steele recognizing his endeavors within the enterprise carried considerable risk”

      If Steele recognizes the risk he carries, then Steele a has motivation to be cooperative…

      Liked by 8 people

      • thanks. hadn’t thought of that.

        Liked by 1 person

      • WSB says:

        It is just because Grassley has referred Steele for criminal charges he probably will cooperate. Remember, Grassley is accusing Steele of lying, yet it is actually the FBI which may be lying.

        Steele will want to clear his name in return for the meddling charges being reduced. Plea bargaining for $100, Alex?

        Liked by 4 people

        • keeler says:

          Along the lines of what I was thinking.

          Steele realizes the scheme is imploding and that he could be the potential fall guy, so he offers to cooperate in order to avoid being left holding the bag alone. In that sense perhaps he has something in common with the Mysterious Mr. Priestrap.

          Liked by 2 people

          • WSB says:

            Could be. Not to mention Hannigan and any other Brit who might be involved in this dirty deed.

            There were 5-eyes agents in DC laundering facts and fiction to the President’s Daily Briefing.

            Liked by 2 people

            • MaineCoon says:

              It seems odd to me that Hannigan isn’t being discussed much. It all about Steele. It’s similar to lack of discussion about Priestap. Maybe because in essence it would blow up the 5eyes arrangement in which USA participates. I’ll never view the Brits as our ally gain. With friends like that who needs enemies. I don’t even think POTUS should visit. Lot of hatred of him over their. Why bother to got. Not much sincere good will on their part.

              Liked by 2 people

  25. Minnie says:

    Oh, thank you, Sundance!!!

    🙏🇺🇸🙏

    Liked by 3 people

  26. Stringy theory says:

    WOW!!

    Liked by 1 person

  27. Sherbear says:

    Yes! Finally he gets some credit 😊

    Liked by 10 people

  28. Barry Smith says:

    Oh ..h…h…h….h…. thank you for enlightening the worker bees.

    Liked by 1 person

  29. Thecleaner says:

    Does this mean Sessions is a leaker?

    Like

  30. ForGodandCountry says:

    Thank you for this, Sundance. I have now bookmarked this to link to any further Sessions’ bashing post.

    Liked by 2 people

  31. Abigail says:

    Winds are blowing and I’m blown away.

    Liked by 2 people

  32. Abigail says:

    Winds are blowing and I’m blown away.

    Liked by 1 person

  33. If you’re going to leak stuff to the media, well, you damn sure better be good at it.

    Liked by 1 person

  34. ForGodandCountry says:

    He didn’t earn the nickname “The Silent Executioner” for nothin’.

    Liked by 13 people

  35. bkrg2 says:

    Yet, even today, the Treehouse is still littered with Sessions bashers…
    Some will only be satisfies only if Sessions is the one to drop the guillotine at Crooked’s execution.

    Liked by 3 people

  36. Heika says:

    Another DOJ (3rd in line) leaving! I always remember that it’s not just the Dems that enjoy the corruption, it’s also ‘the rhino’s’ and there are allot of them who would have LOVED to see Jeb Bush take the reigns so they could keep on going with the same old same old…Bushy/Clinton/Obama nonsense. I wonder if she feels its going to get ‘complicated’ very soon, and with Sessions recused, and Rosenstein moving closer to the boiling pot of accountability – SHE would have to step up and be the boss! What a joke. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-09/dojs-3-official-quitting-after-just-nine-months

    Liked by 6 people

  37. cav16 says:

    I have always thought that AG Sessions is a “White Hat”. Being a native Alabamian and having followed his performance as a Senator it just doesn’t track that he is doing nothing! Must admit though I have written a couple of letters to him but failed to send them as I believe he is busy working for “We The People” I Pray I’m correct.

    Liked by 12 people

  38. evilpens says:

    http://washex.am/2H4hfem
    —–
    Ex-Obama official confirms Trump dossier was given to State Department

    Liked by 8 people

    • cdr164bn says:

      I also confirms the involvement of “Sid Vicious” Blumenthal and Cody Shearer in providing additional information to Steele and the bolstering of the credibility of the Dossier by adding State Department input.

      Like

  39. Paul Tibbets says:

    Letting Mueller do his thing but revealing the underlying lie it is based on does a lot more damage than simply firing Mueller.

    Firing Mueller, would give the RINOS ammo to go after Trump. And getting Trump is all the uni party and globalists want to do.

    Liked by 7 people

    • covfefe999 says:

      The Dems and RINOs must be so profoundly disappointed. It was a stupid fake news talking point for months that Trump was going to fire Mueller. 🙂 I think they’ve given up on that. Not sure what they’ve moved on to and I don’t have the stomach to watch the propaganda channels tonight.

      Liked by 1 person

    • WSB says:

      Lions normally ensnare their prey live before killing them.

      Liked by 2 people

    • cdr164bn says:

      Sundance said it earlier that they don’t want to create any Martyrs. Letting the investigations play out to their natural conclusion eliminates any thought of Martyrs. Che Gueverra anyone?

      Like

  40. saywhat64 says:

    Horowitz is responsible for all the little info gems that began to appear in December and at least Horowitz was not shut down by Sessions. That being said, I agree with Sundance and think that Mr. Jeff has been conducting back stage a lot more than people think…

    Liked by 5 people

  41. drdeb says:

    BINGO Again, dear Sundance! It grieves me greatly to see all of the Sessions bashing on other sites. Terrific article.

    Liked by 6 people

    • cdr164bn says:

      They are hard to read. Treepers are well read and pretty good up to speed on things. Way more that some other sites. Is it me or are there fewer trolls here than most sites??

      Like

  42. CaptnJB says:

    Why would they leak it? Why are they? Seems to me the swamp knows about this board and Q among others.

    Could it be research into media spin? Keep the base excited? Use crowd source to connect more of the web together?

    Like

  43. MaineCoon says:

    Yeh!!!! An Apearance in the Court of Public Opinion has been made in absentia by Sessions!

    HeHe. Quiet, gentle spirit. Yes.

    Liked by 4 people

  44. alliwantissometruth says:

    The Sessions thing is driving me nuts. I’ve always admired the man as one of the few brave souls who stood up to the open borders monolithic pressure cooker & stood his ground

    Then President Trump happened, & it’s been a “is he on our side? ” scenario ever since

    While at times I had my doubts like many of us, I simply couldn’t believe he was deep state, since he never fit the profile

    We still have no idea what his role really is behind the scenes, & if it’s shown he’s truly a Trump loyalist, maybe him being “behind the scene” worked to our advantage

    I’ve still got to believe in Sessions. Again, the whole “agent of the deep state” just doesn’t fit

    I can’t wait for all of this to be over & we find out what really took place. A more intense cloak & dagger story couldn’t be written

    Liked by 8 people

    • covfefe999 says:

      Well, it was possible to be disappointed with Sessions but not think he was part of the Deep State. Some of us wish we could have had an AG who didn’t recuse himself and could then go full throttle against the corrupt Democrats and also conduct the Muh Russia investigation without the need for a Special Counsel who seems to only be focused on Republicans, not the numerous Democrats who employed Russians to affect an election.

      Liked by 1 person

      • alliwantissometruth says:

        covfefe, yes, I understand that, but we have to remember when Sessions recused himself, it was to stop the MS Media barrage that would have followed if he hadn’t

        Also, since President Trump knew a bit of what was going on back then, who’s to say Sessions recusing himself wasn’t part of a plan, a bigger picture so to speak. Maybe his “inaction” gave the bad guys confidence they wouldn’t be caught & allowed some things to be left on the table that normally would have been wiped clean

        I’m just throwing stuff out there, but with what’s been going on, one never knows until the game has been played out

        Liked by 3 people

      • rich33y says:

        Sessions’ recusal does not cover HRC emails, the Clinton Foundation, illegal FISA warrants, unmasking, or Uranium One.

        If it’s not campaign related or it happened after the election, he’s on it.

        “Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States.”

        https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-sessions-statement-recusal

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    • sallyal says:

      I just keep telling myself that there is no way in hell that with all that we are learning, nothing is going to come of it. Run silent, run deep. Walk softly and carry a big stick. And so on.

      Liked by 1 person

    • woohoowee says:

      I always liked Sessions, even when doubting him. He’s a good man.

      Liked by 1 person

  45. bill says:

    This is encouraging. Keep it coming!

    Liked by 2 people

  46. thedoc00 says:

    The media is already helping the other members of the committee, democrat and republican, spin and defend Warner. The narrative:
    He reported the contacts a long time ago to the committee.
    Not having paperwork is “bad optics”.
    We didn’t think this was that important since nothing came of it.

    Liked by 2 people

    • thedoc00 says:

      Forgot at end of the last point, “…so we didn’t feel the need to disclose the contacts.”

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    • lumoc1 says:

      “We didn’t think this was that important since nothing came of it.”
      I wonder how acceptable their excuse would if somebody pointed a loaded gun at them and pulled the trigger, but the gun misfired. Would they let the shooter go since nothing came of it ? 🙂 🙂 🙂

      Liked by 2 people

    • piper567 says:

      How much you wanna bet Mr. and Mrs, America don’t give a rat’s a$$ ab any of this ?
      They are exhausted and cannot make sense out of any of it, ’cause the msm doesn’t paint a clear picture.
      msm is too busy trying to emphasize what they think supports their narrative.
      Details with no place to put them.
      I believe very few average Americans have a keen interest in living in the weeds..
      I also believe we have to take this into account as we prepare for the mid-terms.

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      • thedoc00 says:

        Problem the majority of Mr. and Mrs. America either have never had or forgotten their history and civics. In addition, the democrats, media and academia have spent the past 25 years beating patriotism and national pride out of our citizens (especially the young folks via our education system). They have no idea of our heritage nor the difference between totalitarianism and democratic governments. Look how many actually turn out to vote as an example.

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        • NC PATRIOT says:

          I don’t think Mr and Mrs America are dumb or blind—-or disinterested. Rush said 60% in latest poll think Russia, Russia is a hoax. Talk radio is hammering this stuff and many on Fox are covering this—-in spite of the rest of the MSM. The SOTU speech had record numbers of viewers. PDJT has 47 Mil who follow his twitter.

          PDJT is re-teaching us our history and pride, and firmly planting religion back into the public square. Don’t forget his monster vote. (Millions were also stolen from him.)

          His team is revealing the corruption in gradual doses. Perfect plan.

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  47. Bert Darrell says:

    I do not believe for a second that Mr. Sessions’ recusal in the Clinton-related election criminality prevents him from addressing the malfeasance that has besmirched the reputation of the the DOJ.

    Liked by 4 people

  48. chojun says:

    I’m really suspicious of how this is all playing out. Not bad suspicious, but good suspicious.

    What if IG Horowitz dug into the situation and found such a horrible situation of gross corruption? What if nearly the entire top leadership of multiple agencies were found to be entirely politically corrupted to the extent that they *all* had to be removed?

    How would you go about removing them?

    I think this is playing out slowly on purpose – to prevent a governing crisis when the entire leadership is removed from their jobs.

    Drip drip…

    Liked by 12 people

    • olderwiser21 says:

      Good thoughts, Chojun. Makes sense.

      Liked by 3 people

    • NC PATRIOT says:

      Right—-B/c the State Department is next.

      Liked by 1 person

      • cdr164bn says:

        CIA after that? I was always suspicious about the stoning of Petraeus. During Benghazi he was quiet. I’m pretty sure he was surveilled and had more than his affair to hold over his head to keep him quiet. Would love to get the true story on that sordid affair.

        I think the Deep State have Justice Roberts by the short hairs too. No idea why though.. He did appoint all of the current justices to the FISA board. Is there another link there??

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  49. Paul Tibbets says:

    The DOJ is so infected with biased players, the RINOS would be up in arms if it was just flushed out as it should be.

    Still IDK? Time will tell.

    Liked by 1 person

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