Imagine You are Not a Politician, Yet You are Running For The Presidency…

Imagine that despite your always knowing the DC swamp was deep (dangerous and full of terrors), corrupt, and generally horrible, you decided to do it anyway. You “just had to”.

Imagine you have spent years thinking about it; thinking about every angle within it; thinking and talking to people who know almost everything about it, well, from their perspective anyway; and ultimately you decided to do it.

Imagine that even though you knew it was bad, it wasn’t until you actually began running that you discovered the depth of the corrupt nature with it. –SEE HERE– You see things in the campaign you never expected; things no-one ever talked about.

One of the most alarming aspects of the *new knowledge* is discovering that the top-tier of the national intelligence apparatus has a political agenda you never thought about before.

Imagine yourself, a very successful business person, coming to the realization that the intelligence apparatus could, indeed was, weaponized against you. You fall back on your past experience with hostile organizations as your reference point having to contemplate that parts of the United States Government institutions would likely begin to conspire against you.

Imagine yourself having to deal with a weaponized intelligence community. Then, as time progresses, you begin to see those concerns are not imaginings – but they actually begin to surface.

Re-read this October 2016 speech with ‘new eyes’:

[…] For those who control the levers of power in Washington, and for the global special interests they partner with, our campaign represents an existential threat.

[…] This is not simply another 4-year election. This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not We The People reclaim control over our government.

The political establishment that is trying everything to stop us, is the same group responsible for our disastrous trade deals, massive illegal immigration, and economic and foreign policies that have bled this country dry. The political establishment has brought about the destruction of our factories and our jobs, as they flee to Mexico, China and other countries throughout the world. Our just-announced jobs numbers are anemic, and our gross domestic product, or GDP, is barely above one percent. Workers in the United States, were making less than they were almost 20 years ago – and yet they are working harder.

It’s a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.

[…] This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. This election will determine whether we are a free nation, or whether we have only the illusion of Democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system.

This is not just conspiracy but reality, and you and I know it.

[…]  They control the Department of Justice, and they even clandestinely meet with the Attorney General of the United States – in the back of her airplane, while on the runway – for 39 minutes – to most likely discuss her reappointment in a Clinton Administration just prior to the Attorney General making a decision over whether or not to prosecute Hillary Clinton.

Likewise, they have corrupted the Director of the FBI to the point at which stories are already saying the great men and women who work for the FBI are embarrassed and ashamed to what he’s done to one of our great institutions. Hillary Clinton is guilty of all of the things that Director Comey stated at his press conference and Congressional hearings, and far more – and yet he let her off the hook, while others lives are being destroyed for far less.

This is a conspiracy against you, the American people. (link)

Knowing what you know now, those words from October 13th, 2016, rally in West Palm Beach Florida most certainly hold a different resonance today, no?

Who can anyone turn to when the very institutions created to preserve liberty are intentionally utilized to eliminate the most basic of liberties: the right to choose our own government.

Imagine you are a candidate for the office of the presidency and you realize your political campaign is a very real existential threat to the system. As you begin to accept this reality you have to think entirely different now.

These people are political enemies.

As troubling as it is to accept, you have to face the reality of a weaponized intelligence community aligned against you; and a professional political class who will deny it exists.

The system, including the media, are now in synergy to eliminate the threat you represent.

Imagine, as time goes on, you realize this weaponized system is not going to go away. You begin to think about how to work around it, from your only reference points in dealing with hostile institutions. Approaches you know from business experience, become references.

Thankfully, you have a man, an intelligence officer, General Mike Flynn, who can rightly explain the capability of the intelligence apparatus. Yet even he cannot adequately describe how it is weaponized. Imagine yourself having to deal with this issue.

You are running for the Presidency, yet you have to accept a complete and incomprehensible inability to trust the U.S. intelligence community. You realize that, absent of your ability to coax individuals to change behavior inside the organization, it may be entirely necessary to build a parallel system that you can trust.

The nomination was tough, but you won.

It is within the general election when you really discover the scale of political alignment referenced as the ‘Deep Administrative State’.

Somehow, through grit, work and a relentless effort – your campaign overcomes many obstacles and a key part of the electorate are sharp enough to understand the bigger issues.

You win the election.

But as people celebrate around you, you know this is not the summit.

When dawn breaks, November 9th, 2016, everyone will begin to see what you already know; the summit is still a long way off. Those adverse interests are not going to accept the disruption. Well, not willingly anyway.

As everyone else cheers, maybe you don’t quite enjoy the same victory because you sense what is to come…

Then, at a critical juncture, a key player within the established system, who is not OK with what’s going on, comes to you and confirms your worst suspicions. –SEE HERE

The apparatus of the IC is weaponized against you; and it’s worse than you thought.

However, despite the sheer scale of the opposition, and the people aligned against you, you have won the election – and thankfully that same key internal *whistle-blower* has a plan.

He too has been thinking.

Imagine the broad outline of a parallel intelligence system. A system that might only be temporary in nature, but feasibly could be trusted.  A system that might overcome the challenge inherent from the domestic enemies embedded inside the current one.

While a politically weaponized intelligence apparatus is targeting/watching you…  perhaps your parallel system might just be able to watch the watchers.

If you can imagine such a system, you’ll note the needs: established infrastructure close to completion, or at least in a solid phase of current utility.  A safe system, a reasonable distance away from the threat; held and operated by people who have, or would have, a self-interest -a motive- to help you.  Also a human intelligence network, contacts with people -who know people- and must also have ability to operate the parallel system.

Normal allies, at least the historic perspective of ‘allies’ as known to us outside the system, could not be used. The “Five Eyes” intelligence allies would be useless, because the embedded IC opposition would quickly discover the networking. They are, after all, an international intelligence community; and share a generally common ideology.

No, you would need a ‘new’ system.

Something outside current systems, yet mirroring the technological capability.

And all of this must take place in such a fashion as no-one would ever suspect it taking place. Yet, you don’t want to hide it, because that’s ultimately the easiest way for the adverse IC enemy to discover it.

That’s what you’d need.

Now, consider:

I know, it’s a mind-blowing exercise to fathom…. but why not?

As we consider this, basic frames of reference are questioned. Do your own work, your own analysis, apply your own reasoned logic.  You, we, all of us, have all just recently began to understand the scale of the corruption within the U.S. intelligence apparatus, specifically the DOJ and FBI.

What if we had known it back in November of 2016?

How would we understand all of the intelligence events from November 2016 though today if we knew the scale of the Justice Department weaponization, back then.  We have the benefit of hindsight to overlay against current events.

Do not trust me, nor expect me to convince you.  Something about this has just struck me as deliberate for over eight months – for multiple reasons. So use your own knowledge, and put down an actual or mental timeline back to January 20th, 2017 (Inauguration day), and look/think carefully about what transpired.  Who visited where, when, and how.

Look at who visits the White House, early on in the administration. Think about what you know of those visits and your reference points. Many citations will follow:

Look at what actions were taken, in the specific area, to secure any adverse entity away from discovering the intent of a possible parallel construct. –SEE HERE– Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes, including Alwaleed.

Look at times and dates when specific people travel to the same specific area:

Understand that a parallel system means creating new alliances. Any entity aligned with the current adversary, or former administration, cannot be trusted. –SEE HERE– Qatar, financial epicenter of the Muslim Brotherhood, ally with the Obama administration, no longer considered a geopolitical ally; and completely isolated amid the Gulf States.

Then we have Canada, Australia and New Zealand, normally friendly allies, being exceptionally combative to an incoming administration –SEE HERE– and adding to the mix, the United Kingdom being more of an ideological adversary than geopolitical ally –SEE HERE– oh, there’s that Five Eyes reference again.

When you begin to question prior assumptions, some overseas visits by administration officials, emissaries or unofficial officials, take on new meaning. Visits seemed random. But maybe not –SEE HERE– Jared Kushner making unannounced visits to Saudi Arabia.

With a new nexus established, things continue for a long time; a very long while. All the while Deep-State Black Hats have absolutely no idea they are being watched.

Perhaps seemingly random or innocuous events take on a different dimension. –SEE HERE– Vice-President Mike Pence Travels to Egypt, Jordan and Israel.

Without context, things just don’t make sense.

The media are perplexed –SEE HERE– Headline: “Mike Pence visit to region serves no purpose“, ie. it doesn’t make sense.

However, with context, things, the timing of things, not only begins to make sense, but changes the entire landscape of what was previously thought. –SEE HERE– House Speaker Paul Ryan, and Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes travel to Saudi Arabia.

That’s Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes innocuously in the background.

While everyone was recently waiting on the memo….

And waiting on the #ReleaseTheMemo…

The history of interactions begins to shape a new understanding:

Maybe, just maybe, the ‘Intelligence Orb’ that everyone enjoyed was real.

Only ‘real’ in a way it just wasn’t thought of before:

Then again, what if the Orb, the new Saudi counter-extremism intelligence hub, is not technically *theirs* after all…

What if that Saudi Intelligence Orb (hub) is actually ours, or at least, maybe, we are leasing and equipping it for use… for a while…

…While our White Hat team (CIA-Pompeo, NSA-Rogers) modified the intel-hub’s operational use, to monitor and catch the Black Hat team.

Although this is simply just a citation of various events, with a rather different take on what they might possibly mean, it could, possibly, change the entire dynamic of what has been happening.

Did you think two years ago that FBI officials would actually be spying on political opposition?  Did you fathom a year ago that the FBI, actual agents inside the FBI, might have been intentionally conspiring to help Hillary Clinton escape legal jeopardy?

Did you know the FBI were withholding evidence, lying to courts, using burner phones to communicate; hiring contract agents and giving them access to NSA and FBI counterintelligence databases to conduct domestic political spying operations?

Could you fathom the U.S. Department of Justice and FBI purchasing opposition research from Hillary Clinton, pitching it to FISA Courts as evidence; and working with their allies in the media by leaking information to place intentionally false material within their stories?

Were you previously ever able to imagine people within the Justice Department making demands of congressional oversight to see evidence of their own corruption in advance of accountability? …and the media making out congress as the bad-guy in that dynamic?

No?  Don’t feel bad.  Me neither.

I mean, seriously?

So my entire set of “reasonable assumptions” is considerably different now and I don’t dismiss possibilities that actually have a basis-in-fact that might explain what has taken place as the other side of the intelligence apparatus fights back against this jaw-dropping intelligence corruption.



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1,020 Responses to Imagine You are Not a Politician, Yet You are Running For The Presidency…

  1. Deplore Able says:

    Another one bites the dust. Attention Mr. McCabe, you reservation for the Gray Bar Hotel has just been confirmed.

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  2. uptothere says:

    Just wondering if revealing this possible strategy may give the Deep State crooks a heads up? Regardless, I’m looking forward to our future under this President.

    Liked by 4 people

  3. vdorta says:

    This is great analysis. When all is said and done, I hope that unsung heroes like Nunes and Rogers will be recognized. When the coup was developing, I couldn’t believe guys like Trump, Mathis, or Kelly would just sit there and wait.

    However, it looks to me that a “Deep State” conspiracy is not the correct way to see the coup; in my opinion it was the work of revolutionary socialists doing what they do and it involves the top people of the previous administration, from Obama on down. Please read my blog post “America the Innocent.”

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    • FofBW says:

      There was plenty of help outside the O’s admin as well.

      Good call, ‘Revolutionary Socialists’.

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    • vdorta says:

      I have more for you. The Trump administration has to solve this problem right now by crushing the revolutionary socialists, a.k.a. democrats, via legal ways or we will have a civil war in our future. It is very simple: the revolutionary left, once they have dominated the culture, academia, media, and technology, will surely try to get absolute power. They can’t help it, it is in their nature ever since the Jacobins.

      Please also read Daniel Greenfield’s “This Civil War” post over at Sultan Knish.

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      • G. Combs says:

        Daniel Greenfield’s The Civil War is Here @ Frontpage Mag

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      • Some sort of huge crisis c. 2020 (give or take a few years either way), including the possibility of Americans at war with each other physically, was predicted 20 years ago by historians William Strauss (deceased) and Neil Howe in their Generational Theory of History.

        We shall see whether things get worse (i.e. the Left literally goes berserk if any of their heroes (Shrillary, MAObama, Comey, etc. etc. are indicted) or improve.

        I am hoping for any crisis to be defused by better economic times, so that the socialists cannot complain about how awful things are…when they patently will not be!

        They will still complain of course…:)

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        • vdorta says:

          I want their leaders indicted *and* the left to go berserk *and* then crushing them by legal means so that they can’t win elections for generations. If the Trump administration can do that there is no problem, the civil war will be preempted; the problem is kicking the can down the road as is the typical GOPe impulse.

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        • tonyE says:

          Interesting comment. I got that book but have yet to read it.

          We could say that the Military Industrial Complex started in the mid 1950s, so by know it’s 60 years old. Likely Hillary was going to be the pinnacle of it, when we entered a new phase: liberty or fascism.

          Trump was the wild card, Hillary was the establishment tourd.

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          • vladdy says:

            I think “The Fourth Turning” was the ultimate forecast in that set of books. They are historians, eh? Read it and thought they were of a sociologist or futurist background. The one thing I disagreed on was…they said the impetus was the 2008 financial “crisis” (so much of it created by the government and media, to help get BO in), while I feel the world shook and everything changed on 9-11.


      • Lindenlee says:

        Greenfield is always superb.


    • tonyE says:

      Adm. Rogers is not done with his part yet. I figure he still has more to do, likely be a central figure when the Black Hats are doing their perp walks.

      That man deserves a Medal of Honor or something like that for what he did.

      Likely he saved our Republic!

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  4. Robert Allard says:

    I am not kidding (my potty mouth would say something different), my mind is blown.

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  5. Building on my earlier speculation, but now more convinced that Thiel and Palantir are involved, what if the strategy over the next few days is for the House Intel committee to vote tonight to release the memo, but also to release some additional info? If the ODNI has access to info at a higher level than the FBI/CIA, then they could potentially include that in the release (or at least reference it).

    If that were the case, they could have a second memo ready to go that no one has yet seen. They could vote at 5:00 PM today to release both, giving Trump time to review. The Democrats on the committee would have very little time to set up a response to the information they’d read for the first time this afternoon/evening, and it could be potentially so explosive that they realize it’s almost not worth defending (if it’s as bad as we suspect, and Nunes offers proof, they aren’t going to want to be seen as being on the wrong side of it).

    They send it to the White House tonight. Trump spends the entire SOTU talking about how much progress he’s made in the last year, and in the last line closes with, “And I’ve directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to release both intelligence memos, including some of the supporting materials as evidence, immediately following this State of the Union address so that we can bring greater transparency to our government as we work to Make America Great Again!”

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    • Landslide says:

      Love that idea. Whatever comes out, I can bet Stephen Miller is salvating at the chance to blast the truth out in the SOTU speech! It will be an epic week, no matter what!!!👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸

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  6. GAPTOG says:

    After reading Sundance’s post and the comments that follow, I can’t gelp but feel like we are living in the days/hours of BEFORE the ignition of the zippo that brings about the Big Ugly and that once that Memo, our magnificent President’s SOTU address and all the reactions that follow will be the AFTER. The new ‘normal’.

    That life will change, as it did after Pearl Harbor, JFK’s murder, 9/11/01 etc. once all is known.

    I can’t help but be excited AND apprehensive at the same time. Anyone else feel this way? The thought of the horrible, evil swamp being blown up and/or drained is filled with a glee as well as a concern for exactly the nervous concern of how will life be now?? How will poorly informed Americans and the crazy anti/Trump, pro Liarly, pro Bernie sheeple react?

    Will there be chaos and riots in the streets all over America??

    Sundance, thank you for your incite and sharing.

    God, please continue to guide and bless our President, his family and his MAGA team. Please continue to bless America and Americans as we return to Your Grace.

    May Your Glory be evident to the whole world as we see those evil and sick people trying to destroy America brought to justice.

    Thank You, God! Thank You, Jesus!

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    • G. Combs says:

      “….Will there be chaos and riots in the streets all over America??….”

      THAT has been AG Sessions job!

      He has been arresting MS-13 gang members, (214 U.S.-based) Another 4,474 arrests that includes those trafficking children and young adults into sex trade/slavery.

      He went after the Rioters/ANTIFA crowd that showed up to ‘protest’ at the inauguration. Hundreds were arrested and more important a judge ruled Government Can Search Inauguration Protest Website Records This gave a handle on the top ANTIFA members.

      Now combine that with Trump’s Christmas EO allowing freezing of assets, along with AG Sessions earlier Civil Asset Forefeiture.

      Justice News
      Department of Justice
      Office of Public Affairs
      Wednesday, July 19, 2017
      Attorney General Sessions Issues Policy and Guidelines on Federal Adoptions of Assets Seized by State or Local Law Enforcement

      Attorney General Jeff Sessions today announced a new Department of Justice policy (attached) regarding the federal adoption of assets seized by state or local law enforcement under state law.

      The Department’s new policy strengthens the civil asset forfeiture program to better protect victims of crime and innocent property owners, while streamlining the process to more easily dismantle criminal and terrorist organizations….”

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    • tonyE says:

      I got enough cigars to last me for a while, and I gave up the hard liquor, so I got plenty of wine too.

      One, Two, Three! Let’s go!! I’m ready.

      Hillary 2018 – for jail!


    • Minnie says:

      Yes, Gaptog, in Jesus’ most precious name we pray for God’s continued grace and mercy, Amen 🙏

      The unknown is always daunting.

      The difference here is that President Trump is more wise and astute than the most evil, vile, traitorous scum. He surrounds himself with only the best!


      We are all here with and for each other. my gratitude for the Treehouse cannot possibly be overstated. ❤️

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    • lady4trump says:

      “If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust swarms to eat up all of your crops, or if I send an epidemic among you, then if my people will humble themselves and pray, and search for me, and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear them from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land.”
      2nd Chronicles 7:13

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      I do not believe Sundance was attempting to “incite” anything. The correct word, with a totally different meaning, is “insight”. lol


      • sturmudgeon says:

        that was for GAPTOG.


        • New Nonna to be Again!!! says:

          Yes, yes, sturm, I saw the error before you pointed it out.

          Congratulations, you win the Grammar Police Award for today. I never will as I prefer to understand and accept ooopsies can and do happen among myself and my fellow Treepers. But you go ahead and keep on top of the rest of us mere Deplorable mortals.

          Thank you.


  7. Che Pup says:

    The next axe to fall will be ‘5 eyes’. Must be a root and branch clean out if there is to be any ongoing alliance..

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  8. McGuffin says:

    Sundance, Your articles make me listen differently. I pay attention to things that I never would have noticed. I can’t wait to listen to PDJT SOTU. Not sure if your’re one person (can’t imagine one person can be so insightful and ….busy) or if SD is a group that goes by the moniker Sundance, but I want to Thank You! Thank you for sharing yourself/yourselves with all of us who read here. And for making a yuge difference!

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  9. BeePee says:

    This is the best article by Sundance yet!

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  10. MR Deacon says:

    I came to the conclusion many months back that Trump was vetted and approached by current and ex members of the military and Congress that convinced him to run late 2014-early 2015. That was when Obama thought he had all the bases covered and proceeded to instill a Progressive (Marxist) government aided by his globalist backers. His intent was to lower America’s dominance, level the field with our enemies, create division and chaos domestically and hamstring any attempts to investigate his or Hillary’s shenanigans while filling the pockets of all in agreement and getting rid of the problems . (Saul Alinsky) I believe that getting rid of General Flynn was the straw that broke the camels back in military intelligence circles that knew it all and they approached Trump. Mueller went after Flynn and that set the ball rolling. Planned or not, that move opened up the whole enchilada. Look at Trump’s cabinet. Rogers, McMasters, Kelly, etc.

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  11. Lurker2 says:

    If all 5 of the “eyes” are corrupt it doesn’t do us much good then, I see. Talk about collusion! This is the absolute worst kind! Collusion which pollutes or manipulates our intelligence. Wow.


  12. Sundance, how is this scheme not highly illegal…treasonous even…to arrange for a foreign government to spy on our own government? I’m having a very hard time being at the very least “reluctantly okay” with this idea, nevermind wildly enthusiastic.

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    • navysquid says:

      Look at what Obama had done with GCHQ out of the UK??


      • Yes…was that legal?

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        • navysquid says:

          summer…I was just pointing out what HAS been done. We (the world) all know that we spy on each other and collect on each other…in the intelligence community we KNOW that our ALLIES all collect on us as we do with them. Israel is right up there as the first or second worst offender. I am not saying this is necessarily a bad thing per se, in the countries perspective they are trying to pick up any related intelligence from the best intelligence system in the world.

          Our PROBLEM is that at times we have “captains” of the intelligence that do not keep and hold it sacred and get sloppy with the system. Pres Trump is in the process of righting that ship. :o)

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          • navysqid…as I responded to Caius Lowell, what you are talking about is being done now and has been done for years. sundance, I thought, was postulating that some NEW method of intelligence gathering was in the works, and from his words and pictures, I interpreted this “new” method as being foreign governments being given the means and/or permission to spy on our government. I hope I misinterpreted what sundance meant by this new “parallel” system.


            • Maquis says:

              It had to be new. Had to be outside the US. Outside the influence and awareness of the Black Hats. It had to be away from all prior alliegances. Where none ever consider looking. Completely new with well vetted agents and counter-conspirators.

              No better place than the Islamic world where trust is rarely earned.

              Yet Trump earned their trust, and they are eager to have and keep his trust.

              Yes, we can all light our hair on fire over a foreign government spying on us. It’s already done. By all.

              Our Five-Eyes bit is an agreement with certain foreign nations to share with each other the data that they obtain on each other’s citizens In this way, they circumvent the privacy laws and search and seizure legal restrictions as the sata wasn’t obtained by the domestic service, it’s “foreign intelligence.”

              That has to end. It will end. But right now we are doing the wisest most clever and radical takedown of the corrupt intelligence and law enforcement powers of the world’s greatest most powerful nation.

              We have no choice but to use the aid of our eager new friends to save ourselves. I promise you that there are more honest and loyal people working the parallel construct than in the first.

              As Sundance has noted, we don’t know if the new system isn’t all ours anyway. We surely are part of the operation and supervising.

              Hand washing can come later. Any that seize on this point and refuse to get past it are not helping. Let President Trump save the World. That’s his calling.


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              • “I promise you that there are more honest and loyal people working the parallel construct than in the first.”

                Yes, I would agree that with hand picked Trump people it would be done ethically. But with the precedent it sets…how would future Presidents use this new set-up? Can you guarantee their actions?

                ” Any that seize on this point and refuse to get past it are not helping.”
                I’m kinda thinking “that the ends justify the means” is a Leftist M.O.


                • Lindenlee says:

                  I have always believed that President Trump would use the questionable methods of the previous administration to dismantle that very system, and then shut it down, and return us, with honest leadership, to a normal and constitutional state. Fire with fire.

                  THIS is why I m reserving judgement about Sessions. Imagine the constraints under which he has been operating from Day One. The guy know how to KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT, and is like a duck gliding placidly in a pond, and under the water is paddling furiously, working with a skeleton staff, immense internal corruption, and Rosenstein as his deputy, enduring all the criticism from even his supposed allies…

                  But he keeps paddling, keeping his mouth shut, and doing his job. If I am right, we owe him a huge debt of gratitude, and a Medal of Honor. Time will tell.

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                • I agree with you here, 100%!


    • Lurker2 says:

      Is it illegal?


      • I’m thinking it’s a whole LOTTA illegal to give a foreign govt a “portal” by which to spy on our govt, as corrupt as our govt has become.


        • Caius Lowell says:

          PDJT isn’t giving anybody a portal — that service is collecting on foreign governments, which is their job. Then they’re sharing evidence with a foreign head of state, which happens all the time…

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          • Lurker2 says:

            That’s what I’m thinking too. US isn’t collecting, the other country is and they are sharing. (We hope!) I don’t see anything wrong with that. I’m sure prior President’s freely utilized shared info under the radar.

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          • What you say is true…this kind of intelligence sharing happens all the time. My problem is, sundance seems to presenting an idea that is NEW, and I guess my interpretation was that the NEW aspect went further than intelligence sharing into a new realm of authorizing foreign govts portrayed in sundance’s photo montages in this article (KSA/Egypt/Jordan/and yikes, even Abbas) to “watch our watchmen”….that is, spying on our govt. I’m getting other responses which differ in their interpretation of sundance’s hypothesis here, and I hope they are correct and that I was wrong in my interpretation.


        • See my comment below – just because we set up a system there doesn’t mean the Saudis have access to the parts we don’t want them to see. We’d just store the data there, with unbreakable encryption. In return for their letting us store this system there, they get to use some of the same hardware/software for their anti-extremism efforts.

          Palantir is already powering tons of US intelligence (including the spying on the Trump campaign, unmasking, et cetera) and military, and it’s incredibly secure (though someone like Strzok, with the appropriate clearances, could abuse their access privileges). As long as the people overseeing it are properly assigning access privileges, there is no way a foreign government could use it to spy on our government.

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          • “As long as the people overseeing it are properly assigning access privileges,”

            That’s kinda the hope we had with our current system…with Inspector Generals and Senate/House oversight “watching the watchmen”…now we’re going to add another layer of watchmen who will be susceptible to corruption, on foreign soil, foreign soil which just happens to be the land of Mohammed who declared war on the infidel 1400 years ago, and if this is some sort of secret set-up, who’s gonna watch this new layer?

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    • If my theory is right, this system is powered by Palantir (the glowing orb which looks like a “palantir” from The Lord of the RIngs), which is a company founded by Peter Thiel, a Trump supporter. That would mean control of it, and access/permissions, would be controlled by a trusted US company, in coordination with the appropriate government oversight.

      This Saudi piece would also probably be under the Department of Defense, headed by Mattis (definite white hat). Mattis has spoken about sharing intelligence with SA and has a good relationship with Mohammed bin Salman, who’s currently cleaning things up in SA.

      The Chain of Command would have allowed Trump to set this up without anyone at the FBI/CIA/NSA even noticing (though Rogers probably knows). The ODNI would probably have access as well. It would be easy to host the servers in SA without granting anyone an inappropriate level of access – ie have a SCIF on site for US-authorized individuals to access.

      Palantir is set up specifically to allow access based on appropriate credentials (ie someone could have access to the whole enchilada while others can only access certain information for which they’re cleared).

      It would be a brilliant set-up, and should be completely legal as Trump would have authorized this in his capacity as the Commander-in-Chief.

      Liked by 6 people

      • navysquid says:

        good points on Palantir…it is used frequently in the IC but also know this is only ONE tool that is used, albeit a powerful tool, to collect, analyze, or monitor activity.

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      • There is “sharing intelligence,” something allies and even “frenemis” (Russian heads up about the Tsarneav brothers) have been doing for a long time and then there is allowing a foreign govt to spy on our own govt. What you postulate here makes more sense…an offshore site employed and run by Americans to “watch the watchmen” and I certainly hope this is more like what is going on, versus the gist I was getting from sundance’s last two articles (and twitter feed) that Trump arranged for the Saudi govt to spy on our govt (and/or all the other Arab leaders sundance has in his montages in these last two articles). If what you are saying is what sundance meant, then I misinterpreted what he was getting at.


        • I think SD is just starting to flesh this out. He had a good insight – SA is important in this whole thing, but I get the impression that just dawned on him. He would have figured out more details eventually, but by sharing his insight here the rest of us can help him crowd-source information and/or theories.

          Full disclaimer – I am totally guessing here, based on what I’ve read here and elsewhere, combined with my (rather deep) experience in the tech world, and speculating about how I might have gone about doing this. That doesn’t mean it was done that way, and this is, in the truest sense, a conspiracy theory. That said, I believe the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates the existence of a conspiracy and an attempt to thwart that conspiracy, and my speculations herein are regarding the plan now unfolding to thwart the conspiracy.

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          • Yes, I can see that this is a “flesh out” exercise, and that’s why I threw out the original question as to whether this would be a legal operation… and why I appreciate your interpretations.


  13. Lurker2 says:

    Dear Hillary, they have recorded every conversation you had with your “Foundation”-funding pals. Good luck with that.

    Liked by 3 people

  14. Caius Lowell says:

    Yo SD! You know that phone repair truck outside your house? It may not be repairing the phone — just saying…


    • That’s okay, the kid on the skateboard and the bike messenger just welded its doors shut and the passing furniture delivery truck paused just long enough to winch it in. Go ahead, Sundance, enjoy your evening … we got this. 😉

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  15. G. Combs says:

    People are worried about an illegal search. However you CAN do a search if you have a warrant.

    Think about this…

    “…Trump also added Judge Brett Kavanaugh of the appeals court for the District of Columbia, the nation’s second most powerful court, who clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy.

    Kavanaugh has been rumored before as a possible Republican nominee for the high court. ..”

    Appointed by Reagan to DC district court:

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  16. Just watched Schif having a “schif fit”!!!!!
    Please put your blast goggles on now. Zippo to be lit in 10…9…

    Liked by 1 person

  17. Missing Andrew says:

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  18. nccosmiccurmudgeon says:

    I was extremely surprised that Trump actually won the election. I was sure that “Ms. Clinton” would gather enough of the “cemetery vote” to handily defeat Mr. Trump. How that did not happen continues to amaze me.

    I did not think that Mr. Trump would have an “easy” job attempting to implement his vision for a return to a Constitutional Republic. He did not, and does not, have that many supporters in either the House or the Senate. They are too busy protecting their positions to worry about us “basket of irredeemable Hobbits”.

    What I did not think was that my Tin Foil Fedora theory was actually a reality. That our system of government was so close to becoming a Socialist Dictatorship and that the agencies meant to protect us from such abused were being operated by those that supported this “Fundamental Transformation”.

    But the clues have been there for quite some time. I think the most obvious one was the determination by the Dept of Homeland Insecurity that said the most serious threat to domestic tranquility were those Veterans, Over 40, and voted for 3rd party candidates or supported Conservative Causes (like the Tea Party).

    So now, perhaps we will find out why Mr. Mueller “overlooked” verified evidence of the support network in place within the US for the 9/11 hijackers; withheld information on the Uranium1 criminal investigations from the “CIFIAS(??)” group and why he went along with the “Collusion Probe”.

    Perhaps we will find out now why Ms. Yates attempted to shield certain sections of the DOJ from all oversight.

    Perhaps we will find out why the UN Ambassador was “unmasking” anyone.

    Perhaps we will find out who really authorized the “pallets of cash” to Iran.

    And most of all, with todays event and the plan that Mr, Trump formulated with Admiral Rogers and other like minded individuals, all of those involved will be brought to Justice in the public eye.

    Now that their Seditious and Treasonous actions are about to be exposed, let them pray that the Judicial System handles this appropriately.

    Thank you all here for the efforts you have expended to force this issue to the fore and leave our “elected representatives” no other choice but to expose and prosecute these crimes.

    I am hopeful for the first time in quite a while that my voice actually matters and that it has been heard. But to those that have attempted to steal my country, I still have the tar on a low boil and the pitchforks by the door.

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  19. Look at the 4th photo from the top. In a room full of people, only Ivanka is noticing the toll it has taken on her Dad to obtain this victory and only she seems to know what he sees ahead of him.


  20. PatriotKate says:

    I haven’t listened to the whole thing yet to see if the person gives credit to Sundance. This appears to be a video version of this article:

    Liked by 2 people

    • wheatietoo says:

      Wow. Yeah, she is reading this article…word for word.
      No credit given to Sundance.

      There is a link to CTH in the info, but it goes to the thread with PTrump’s speech that is highlighted in this article.


  21. drljr says:

    And consider John Brennan became a citizen of Islam. A person can be faithful to two masters, especially when one is hostile to everyone else. When one looks at the history of Islam one finds it is not an religion but a theocracy.


  22. bkrg2 says:

    Sundance – this is 3D level theorizing!
    If true, we will likely never find out…
    Regardless, you gotta love the Saudi hub- they have made amazing progress since that orb was lit up!

    Liked by 1 person

  23. This scares me…please don’t comment until you watch the video…the mark of the beast. If you watch the video you then will be closer to understanding what is going on now…Jesus is getting ready to return…you better get right folks!


  24. Cat Lady says:

    Wow, I just listened to Trump’s speech in Riyadh from last May, in light of all this discussion, and it makes sense in a whole new way:

    Liked by 1 person

  25. 30yr_Veteran says:

    Imagine if you will that this parallel intelligence organization was the organization behind being able to so quickly locate the 5-months worth of “lost” text messages and passing them off to the DOJ IG in such a timely manner. Things that make you say Hmmm.


  26. RedBallExpress says:

    Thought I’d nudge ‘er up a bit. This thread has been at 1,000 comments for over an hour!

    Liked by 1 person

  27. Prettyplease says:

    Wow! I can totally see why this was a brilliant move on Trump’s part along with his team of advisors.
    On the lighter side, I can see the Saudis saying, “Yeah, sure! We’ll rent you some sand! We’ve got tents! We’ve got toilets! We’ve even got tunes! We’ll hold ‘em here, outside the jurisdiction of the federal courts until you get your tribunals cranked up. If any of them try to escape, they will just die in the desert.”


  28. Deplorable and Proud says:

    Came across this today on Allen West’s Facebook page. It contains a link to this article. Sundance’s fame continues to grow. Long live Sundance and CTH!


  29. jeans2nd says:

    My goodness. Such noise here. Many comments, many arguments. Few, if any, solutions?

    This post is somewhat troubling. Your postulation seems illegal, unethical, immoral, and antithetical to everything for which Pres Trump has indicated is the reason for Pres Trump’s presidency. Rule of Law. Drain the Swamp. Lock Her Up.

    What you are suggesting seems rather similar to the illegalities that Obama and Inc did to Congress and We The People over Obama’s 8 year path to destruction.

    CIA Dir Mike Pompeo. Engineer by training, 1st in class at West Point, active duty, Harvard Law grad, member of Harvard Law Review, small business owner oil & gas, member of House of Rep, House Intel, Energy & Commerce Cmtes, sworn is as CIA Dir 23 Jan 2017, one of the first cabinet positions approved and sworn in.

    Dir Pompeo has given few public appearances over the past year. Have listened to 3 speeches w/Q & A, one lengthy interview, a few Fake News interviews, some listened 3-4x, well over 5 hrs. First at CSIS 13 Apr 2017 Transnational Threats Project, then NBC/Tom Friedman Jul 2017, FDD 20 Oct 2017 w/ FDD’s Center on Sanctions and Illicit Finance Chairman Juan Zarate (personal friend of Dir Pompeo), CBS Jan 2018 (short) w/CBS whatsits, AEI 23 Jan 2018 w/Marc Thiessen (obviously personal friend), a few others.

    In Dir Pompeo’s very few speeches, Dir Pompeo has emphasized, among other things, returning the CIA to what the CIA does – counter-intel, espionage, stealing secrets. Counter-intel is one of the few Departments that Dir Pompeo has continued reporting directly to himself. No more SigInt – Dir Pompeo’s partner does that. Back to HumInt.

    AEI was detailed here in comments last week, and is the best, imo. Well worth the 57 min 43 sec (1.5x speed works well).

    AEI –
    09:25 “The second thing (Pompeo would like to leave behind as Dir) would be, is to ensure that we continue to keep the Amercan people’s trust…It’s in law…”

    09:52 “We have an obligation to do everything we can to operate in a way that engenders the American people’s trust so that those powers and authorities remain in place. If we don’t, if we behave in ways that are lawless, if we behave in ways that you might see in the movies, then the American people would rightfully take those powers, that authority, that capacity away from us. That would be unforgiveable…”

    10:54 “It’s important for the American people to understand that we operate inside a democracy, that we respect the rule of law deeply, that we have processes in place to ensure that we continue to do that. And that we are working diligently to make sure that the people entrusted, with ensuring that’s happening in clandestine places, our Oversight Cmtes, and the Executive Branch in which we work, are fully informed of the things we’re doing.”

    What to do? All is lost?
    Rom 13:12

    Go to SA. Announce massive sale of military equipment to SA. Included in sale are puters, hdwre & sftwr. W/sale of military equipment comes trainers. Many trainers. Send in the clowns.
    Walk like an Egyptian.

    SA is deeply involved in their own probs. Iran, terrorism, economy, corruption, society becoming more inclusive, moderating Islam, Qatar, Israel-Palestine, etc etc etc. SA is not focused on our probs. HumInt. Think SA will be tracking our trainer’s movements? Our trainers are widely trusted. Our trainers follow the money.

    There is always a way.

    One other bothersome item. Your postulated “New Knowledge.”
    Really? Do you really think pre-Pres Trump did not know? Really? O ye of little faith.
    The quiet ones are the most dangerous. No one ever takes their pic, ever. No one.


  30. golsono says:

    It’s a marvelous time for a Sun Dance


  31. Mike13 says:

    Could I imagine DOJ, FBI, CIA being politicized? Anyone with a higher functioning brain suspected it.

    But with the ‘alliance of the orb’ failed to mention the man behind the orb, Peter Thiel, the man who backed Trump. Or was it the other way around? Dig deeper, you shall find.


  32. anonymous says:

    Consider this alternative theory…

    Saudi royal family has its own corrupt actors. Trump teams with a white hat and supports his cleaning house by bringing our US military intelligence to bear. The Saudi white hat would need a continuing capability to prevent the black hats from taking back control.

    Couple with that the same US military intel supporting the watching of our own US corruption within the IC. Take down underway…


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