McMasters of The Universe – An Ongoing NSA Saga…

There is a considerable amount of visible internet and social media angst surrounding the National Security Council and staffing decisions made by National Security Advisor HR McMaster.   CTH has no insight into the inner workings of disagreements within the current NSC, however, with a modest amount of both skepticism and cynicism the current level of alarm appears over indulged.

Within any work group there’s going to be differences of opinion.  Within any national security working group there’s going to be ideological differences of opinion.  The issues are important and very complex.  The differences should never be dismissed or marginalized in their potential consequence.  That said, it’s not the differences of opinion that present problems – it’s when those differences become entrenched in opposition to the reason for the groups primary function.  That’s when differences become problems.

Consider the foreign policy proposals, and worldviews therein, of candidate Donald Trump and candidate Ted Cruz.  Now think about taking the foreign policy/NatSec principals from both candidate camps, and the outlooks carried therein, and put them into the same council chamber to hammer out papers of recommended action toward policy.

Can you see the structure for an underlying problem?  Now overlay the ideological interests of the institutional military with a healthy dose of both deep state and religious (centered principle outlook) career ideology, and you’ve got a recipe for disagreement.  Well, that’s essentially what I see when reviewing various media reports of internal group conflict points.

The Atlantic presents an article about an NSC staffer being removed for the production of a rather entrenched ideological view –SEE HERE– and Breitbart provides another example of removal for a like-minded albeit possibly less entrenched view –SEE HERE -. Oh, and there’s literally dozens more depending on your normal internet travel pattern.

CTH looks at all of these reports with a level dose of both skepticism and cynicism.

Skepticism surrounding the underlying tone in presentation of the information, and cynicism in the conclusions, logical or illogical, drawn from within each presentation.  Let me explain by taking the Muslim Brotherhood issue as one example that seems to draw out the polarity of opinion.

I’m solidly in the camp of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi when it comes to the Muslim Brotherhood.  From my decades of looking at them as an organization from the Holy Land Foundation trial, to the various Arab Spring uprisings (Islamist Spring), and with specific attention to the epicenter of the ideological conflict in Egypt, I agree with President al-Sisi that the Muslim Brotherhood is a dangerous geo-political entity constructed to be favorable to the worst elements within extremist Islam.

That is to say the Brotherhood is the political shield that gives validity to various extremist elements of Islam.  Additionally, and with direct association, the preferred propaganda media outlet for the Muslim Brotherhood has been al-Jazeera (Qatar based).

In order for al-Sisi to protect the larger Egyptian population he needed to get control of the extremists.  It was a matter of immediate urgency, and later ongoing necessity, for him to banish the Brotherhood and kick out al-Jazerra.

Those decisions provided the space for breathing room away from the shouting.  The Brotherhood leadership went to Qatar, and then eventually to Turkey after Qatar came under the original Arab State pressure (2013) to stop supporting these horrible political extremists.

That same inner-Islamic conflict still remains in place today between the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) and Qatar.  That ideological feud erupted again in 2017 and is still ongoing.

The fact that Turkish leader Recep Erdogan was so willing to open his doors to harbor the Brotherhood Leadership in exile also served as a keen precursor to the ideology behind the Erdogan mask.  Since accepting the Brotherhood Turkey has increasily moved toward extremism and totalitarian control.  These issues are not unrelated even though the slide toward Erdogan’s authoritarianism took place over several years.

That said, I can totally understand why President Trump can support al-Sisi’s position 100%, and yet not label the Brotherhood as an officially recognized terrorist entity with all that label entails.   Again, the Brotherhood is political (face to the world) AND ideological (face to Islam).   The label alone provides the extremists (al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, ISIS, AQIP, AQIM and al-Shabab) with ideological recruitment tools.

That’s the argument against the label. And that’s a solid argument.

President Trump doesn’t label the Brotherhood as a terror network, but he simultaneously, and very publicly, supports Fattah al-Sisi doing so.  Within the complexity these are not mutually exclusive points of policy.   Additionally, President Trump also supports Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain and Qatar following al-Sisi’s lead.

President Trump supports every article of policy that isolates and marginalizes the Brotherhood.  Heck, he not only supports it – he challenges the majority mid-East nations to support it.  Remember: “drive them out” etc.  However, notice President Trump doesn’t provide a problem for the goal by becoming part of the ‘great Satan narrative’; later to be used by the ideological Brotherhood as a shield and a sword.

I can entirely reconcile the reasons for this administration not to affix the label.  It’s a policy and a strategy… and so far, at least in granular movement, it’s working.  ISIS is being defeated, extremist elements are on their heels, and hopefully in the longer-term this pragmatic policy will prove to be very effective.

However, I can also entirely see a reason for those who, understanding all historic references, want the U.S. to take exactly the same approach as Egypt.  I disagree, because it’s more fair to see if the alliance effort/approach works first, but I can see validity in the counter position reasoning for their stance.

Now, if you overlay an entrenched disposition drawn out and influenced by elements within political policy and political media who have an underlying religious basis for their unwillingness to accept pragmatism, well,… then the conversation gets more…. well, confrontational and immediately challenging. I’m using the word “challenging” here with a great level of diplomacy between the syllables.

This example is what it sounds and apparently looks like around the NSC table on just this one-single-issue.   This is just one single organization and approach toward that political organization within one single regional policy and recommendation to the President.

Multiply that understanding times the complexity of Russia, Ukraine, North Korea, China, A.S.E.A.N nations and take it to the exponential level with Turkey and the EU; and well, you see how differences of opinion can go from zero to infinity level angst in minutes.

The paralysis of analysis is also a problem, and nothing creates that dynamic more than a dysfunctional NSC.

Again, to understand the complexity here consider former CIA Director George Tenet trying to get to George W. Bush, for weeks, with a warning about airlines and the use by terrorists in the summer of 2001 prior to 9/11.   Read Tenet’s book “At the Center of The Storm” to see how challenging it was while Condoleezza Rice was Bush’s first year National Security Advisor.

Against the backdrop of 9/11/01 I think we can all well understand the ramifications to differences of opinion within the NSC, and the need for clarity of purpose with specific policy recommendations therein.  It is entirely possible that Condi Rice carried a tremendous amount of regret in hindsight.

But I mention all of these aspects only to contrast how easy it is for all of us to sit in judgement of these personnel changes and inner-group battles within the NSC as they are rolled into the political media for us to consider.  The executive people loading the information pellets into our feeder machines have an ideology also.  Remember that when you pull their lever, read their narrative, and subsequently exit with your pellet.

Ultimately, there’s one Commander-in-Chief looking through the fog of often contrary opinion, and measuring it through the prism of his or her own compass.  Fortunately we have a President who is well versed in looking at multi-dimensional and complex problems and applying a sequential linear approach toward them.

Fortunately we have a President sharp and smart enough to evaluate the progress at each point he chooses along the road and make adjustments to the direction regardless of political benefit or cost thereof.

Fortunately we have a president willing to challenge the Condi Rice’s or HR McMasters’ of the world, reset the conversation points and say “yeah, but what if”?…..

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644 Responses to McMasters of The Universe – An Ongoing NSA Saga…

    • gzuf says:

      Saw below in a comment reddit, wondering what others thought (assuming the document is real)

      “I hereby waive the requirement that you must have a ‘need-to-know’ to access any classified information contained in items you ‘originated, reviewed, signed or received while serving,’ as National Security Adviser,”

      Not unfettered access (to all classified info). Only access to things that crossed her path while she served. She would need this for such things as being involved in a court case against her.
      —-
      suspiciouscat

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      • This seems like something that is standard procedure. I haven’t seen anyone claim that it isn’t. Anyone actually know the answer to this?

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      • DeplorablePatriotInCa says:

        Makes me wonder if she was being set up in order to see what she tries to access.

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      • mimbler says:

        Or she would need it to go back over all her crimes and cover them up delete them. There is no positive spin I would accept as to having Susan Rice continued access to her security clearance.
        I have no idea why so many of us (and I am speaking of no one in particular) bend themselves into pretzels defending these obvious deep state holdovers. And I definitely put McMasters in that bucket.

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        • NYGuy54 says:

          I placed this elsewhere in the thread but it serves a better purpose here.

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          • mimbler says:

            Interesting, but I have no idea whether it is true or not.
            It certainly could be.
            Of equal concern to me is that McMasters has said (can’t remember the source, but undoubtedly anonymous so I take it with a grain of salt), that Susan Rice unmaskings were lawful and justified.

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        • mikeyboo says:

          Spot on!!! Anyone who is a holdover from Obama- in any position of consequence- should be seen as an enemy unless and until proven otherwise. Obama did his best to purge the military and the State Dept of all true patriots who spoke truth about Islam.

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        • MaineCoon says:

          Please tell me no one was that stupid to give Rice editing rights. She only should have Read Only rights.

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          • mimbler says:

            Or stuff in her socks rights and walk out with it! 🙂 If they did, it wasn’t being stupid it would be corruption. But I think I was more getting at she could refresh her memory and concoct a story to go with what she did that wouldn’t be contradicted by the evidence.

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      • The Great Kazoo says:

        Implying that McMaster knew she would be prosecuted for her actions.

        Swamprats protecting their own.

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    • histbuff says:

      An official letter keeping Susan Rice’s security clearance. How much more do we have to discover before admitting Deep State is firmly embedded in DJT’s Administration?

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    • rsanchez1990 says:

      So SD published this post and later in the day Circa published that article. Does SD know something we don’t?

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    • kriseton says:

      If anyone on there thinks that WE the American public on the OUTSIDE of the WH can see more than Trump INSIDE the WH, you are crazy. The Susan Rice thing, to me, reads like a psyop against Rice to keep her calm and make her think that nothing is going to happen to her. When meanwhile, behind the scenes Sessions does his job. I 100% trust Trump knows what he is doing and has enough loyal people in his inner circle to keep tabs on things…Kushner, Bannon, Conway, and now Kelly.

      Stop reading ‘leaks’ as if they are real news. No matter who they come from. If they present something that seems to claim Trump is unaware of what is going on in his own White House, just dismiss it.

      I believe there are bad leaks and good leaks. Good leaks being either faked leaks to distract or leaks purposefully used to make it look as if the White House is chaotic and Trump is being undermined. If he appears weak to his enemies, they will either out themselves or stand down and wait for the fall to happen.

      Just chill out.

      Notice I posted against Treehouse theory that Sessions was bad and on the outs. Where is Sessions? Still in his job and about to put out a leaker report. I think that was all planned so that Dems and the press came out in support of Sessions right before he strikes. Same with this McMasters / Rice news.

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      • luke says:

        I think you may be correct. I watched Sekulo on Hannity last night and he made a remark that hopefully grand juries are being organized. Lord knows I’ve been quick to judge Sessions but maybe this plays out well for our side.

        We’ll see; Here’s to hoping. It still beats being ruled by HRC/Obama .l.

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        • Sunshine says:

          Complicated webs must be weaved to better deceive. Never forget that we know what they want us to know; it reminds me of new military technology that they show us.

          I am 100% behind Sessions. There is a game being played and players must follow the rules of deceit in order to attain victory.

          In view of recent uncovered Hillary emails, LOCK HER UP is also on the way, I think.

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      • keebler AC ovfefe says:

        Sessions is safe because Trump hired Kelly, let’s remember that. I hope Sessions gets it too. He was all smiles and grinning, but he’s got a job to do, and it’s not a small one, and there is no entitlement based on friendship or admiration as we saw with Scaramucci. Either his hires do the job, or Trump will seriously put them on notice even if it means he has to call on his army of MAGA voters. He does not fire on haste like Kelly but he has to work within a complex situation balancing media and his desired outcomes including time frames.

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    • As usual no historical context is given in the article. Have other NS advisors been given the same access, after their service? If not, then it’s a bonehead and potentially deep state move. If it is standard practice, the Trump Administration should have dragged their feet and threw up impediments. They need to resist the resistance.

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  1. freddiel says:

    Maybe I am reading too many different news articles, but right now I do not like the way this whole McMaster saga is going. This whole Deep State stuff is starting to creep me out.

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      DeepState has tentacles going every which way and has spread like a cancer. Battling it is a wide ranging non-stop proposition, as in Drain the Swamp or Dredge the Sewer.

      Meanwhile ABC TV Nashville is promoting some fake Quinnipiac Poll claiming 6o% disapproval of our President.
      Online Poll at their website shows just about the opposite.

      http://wkrn.com/2017/08/03/poll-do-you-approve-of-the-job-president-trump-is-doing-2/

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    • Orygun says:

      The McMasters letter reads almost like a form letter. Of course you should have access to documents that you already had access to or created.
      The interesting thing is that it has completely taken the Awan DWS scandalous news right off the front page. This seems like the purpose of the McMasters nothing burger is to divert attention to the potential dismantling of the whole DNC.

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  2. wyntre says:

    Susan Rice, Ex-Obama national security adviser to McMaster: Get rid of Bannon-led group

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/20/susan-rice-urges-hr-mcmaster-get-rid-stephen-banno/

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  3. CaptainNonno says:

    SD, what happened to the gloves coming off? We need Mike Flynn back in the WH. Don’t care how it may look. We need every loyalist we can put there!

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    • The Drake says:

      I’ve seen no evidence of gloves coming off. At least not yet. Allegedly Sessions has some news to share tomorrow about leakers. My guess it will be another nothing burger, just Sessions stating the DOJ is investigating the leaks. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt it. Wouldn’t it be great if Susan Rice, McMaster, and Samantha Power were arrested tomorrow for their individual crimes of leaking and Unmasking. Obviously a dream

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  4. ilovevictoriasbows says:

    McMaster Firing Bannon Allies
    Susan Rice to Trump National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster: Get Rid of Steve Bannon
    Marxist Pope Francis Associates Target Steve Bannon

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  5. miketrivi says:

    McMaster is a muslim jihadi. No other explanation for his abject hatred of America.

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  6. John Doe says:

    Can somebody ‘splain to me why in the world anybody who is not longer active in government still would be granted top security clearance? That particular somebody is Susan Rice of all people.

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  7. DeplorablePatriotInCa says:

    There is a major fake news propaganda campaign being conducted against McMaster, especially at Breitbart. Even Gateway Pundit had a story about how McMaster convinced President Trump to not let Netanyahu accompany him to the Western Wall. Benjamin Netanyahu is President Trump’s longtime friend. Are we supposed to believe that ANYONE could convince him to not let Netanyahu go with him? I don’t know for sure who or what is behind all this but I’m not buying it.

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    • Well …. if you think about it the appearance is that somebody is trying very very hard to get McMaster fired. It does make you wonder if the entire scenario is gaslighting. Is it possible that somebody high up (dhimmicrat) is very fearful of McMaster and wants him gone? I know this sounds like a Tom Clancy novel but at this point I’m not sure what is real and what’s not.

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      • DeplorablePatriotInCa says:

        I’m with you. If you look at the policies and results coming out of this administration under McMaster, I personally am very happy. Maybe others are not and that is why he is being attacked. The story about the Western Wall is so obviously bogus that it makes me question everything.

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      • The Drake says:

        So McMaster purges Trump loyalists, halts any criticism of Obama holdovers, and ramps up his staff with Muslim Brotherhood lovers, NeoCons, and Deep Staters…. and you think McMaster is a victim of a renegade Democrat burrowed deep inside the administration trying to oust him for some unknown mysterious reason???? WOW.

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    • kriseton says:

      Breitbart also went hard against Sessions. I just didn’t buy into it all. Sessions has been with Trump since the very beginning. Anyway, either Breitbart is helping with the psyop that i think is going on with Trump and the bad guys or they are just not as savvy and want clicks and comments.

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  8. Howie says:

    Keep calm. The Deep State is nowhere neat the Trump Administration!

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  9. NC PATRIOT says:

    I trust the wisdom AND THE INTELLIGENCE of my President. I will not be an armchair quarterback and second guess his decisions about the people he puts around him ! Period. He is smarter than I am.

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    • DeplorablePatriotInCa says:

      Exactly! And I am more interested in policy than personnel. And the policies are looking great to me.

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    • SR says:

      Sometime you need to make enemy ( fake msm, previous admin, RINO, rats) feels that they are winning and have full control before surprise attack.

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    • Jolene Hurt says:

      I still stand on the fact that our beloved President is more intelligent than any I’ve ever seen or studied…BUT…there is Deep State…it is no conspiracy. Trump initially, and using his great instincts, chose Gen. Flynn. After the Deep State took out Flynn, Trump put in H.R. McMasters. McMasters is purging Flynn’s hires… So which NSC director was the one chosen by being intelligent? They juxtapose each other.

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  10. porkyspen says:

    McMasters needs to be fired, IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

    He writes a letter to Susan Rice in April, letting her keep her clearance and waives any “need to know” for her???

    He’s bad news, man. He has GOT to go!!!!!

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  11. DeplorablePatriotInCa says:

    Read this and tell me that there is not a fake news propaganda war against McMaster. There’s no way President Trump would let ANYONE push him to do this. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/revealed-mcmaster-deeply-hostile-israel-banned-netanyahu-accompanying-potus-western-wall/

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    • Sentient says:

      There is not a fake news propaganda war against McMaster.

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    • NYGuy54 says:

      Netanyahu calls him Donald. He introduces the President to his son. Kushner has known the Netanyahus for years…since he was a little boy. No NSC advisor is going to get in the middle of that. That’s a relationship that transcends politics.

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    • The usual Cernovich inspired jive that Hoft pumps out constantly at Gateway Pundit.

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      • TPR says:

        The very recent Cernovich & co. outrage was a huge “tell” for me. I first noticed it when Scaramucci was fired (which I believe was part of the original plan, and that Scaramucci was only there to create a media circus while Preibus and Spicer were dropped, which I’m sure Scaramucci knew as well).

        But when Scaramucci was fired, Cernovich immediately went into an angry hysteria. It was really odd to me. And the crowd that sees Cernovich the same way that CNN viewers see Acosta went along with it as if Trump had been taken control of by the Deep State / Globalists. I still don’t understand the lack of faith. Something personal seemed to have happened. I don’t know enough to even speculate, but it was a complete 180 from Cernovich.

        I think some/much of the anger has to do with Trump’s strongest & most vocal supporters being too tribal. These people don’t want any compromise with anything. They see everything about everyone from or involved with the Left as THE ultimate enemy. They see Trump negotiating with them or working with them as an act of betrayal. And when the media rubs it in, these Cernovs start hyperventilating. It’s rather sad.

        I hate PC and would have preferred someone much more hostile to the PC & SJW & “Islam is Peace” rhetoric than McMasters, but he has strong qualities that apparently make him suitable for the job. If Trump thinks so, then I defer to him. In addition, I’ve read McMasters’ book Dereliction of Duty and I’m convinced he understands the importance of having a cohesive council of wise men under the President. This, above all else, is what’s important when it comes to the NSC.

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  12. SR says:

    PTrump follows the news and watch TV so he knows what’s going in fake msm and people’s mind. I hope tomorrow’s DOJ/DNI briefing is more than just some announcement and talking points.

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  13. maxmbj says:

    I’m not trusting this McMaster fellow. He hasn’t earned it.

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    • Jolene Hurt says:

      People on Twitter are not happy about McMasters. Paul Nehlen is suggesting phone calls to the White House asking for McMaster’s to be fired. In the comment sections the gist is that the lines at the WH are busy, busy…people say that you can hardly get through but if you do, that the staff is amazing, professional, and pleasant.

      #FireMcMasterPaul Nehlen added,
      Paul NehlenVerified account @pnehlen
      Call 202.456.1111 and let @realDonaldTrump know we want #McMaster fired for exiting Rich Higgins and other warriors fighting the Islamists https://twitter.com/pnehlen/status/893117328103231488
      17 replies 169 retweets 225 likes

      The distrust of McMaster’s seems to be spreading wildly. Hopefully things will be quickly clarified.

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      • TPR says:

        McMasters seems to be a good soldier. In that I mean he spent the last 8 years looking like the exact kind of military leader Obama wanted to see leading his military. You can’t get far at McMasters’ level unless you’re great at being a good soldier who follows orders. One of Obama’s implicit “orders” was to promote the PC, SJW & Globalist image. McMasters did this under Obama, which is what gives a lot of Trump supporters a bad taste. But we have to remember how different the military is, or should be, than every other aspect of government.

        Also, it’s likely McMasters is simply a pragmatist who understands how important that PC image is when it comes to working with people on the Left, Globalists, and Muslim leadership. This makes perfect sense to me for the same reason it makes perfect sense for a salesman to make the person he’s trying to sell something to feel like he genuinely likes them and cares about their concerns. Someone abrasive wouldn’t make many sales.

        Trump knows how important image is, but some things you just can’t help. And Trump’s ultimate purpose in using image/perception is to make a good deal. Sometimes this means looking like you’ve lost, or looking like you’re uncertain, etc. Anyone who reads the Art of the Deal will understand how brilliant Trump really is.

        So to conclude, I think the hysteria among Trump supporters re McMasters is simply because too many people eat whatever the mainstream media feeds them. Too many of them get too worried and angry when the media wins a few points.

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        • BGPGuy says:

          And what signal does it send the leaders in the ME, to have all critics of Islamist supremacism and the shield if PC, smart men who know the formula used by said leaders to advance it, to get fired by a PC loving Obama holdover? Are we to assume they won’t take note of it? Trump puts fear into them by them just being in his administration. It’s the classic I know-you-know-I-know what s*** you are pulling and what the cause of extremism is and how you use it.

          PC is dangerous. It’s dangerous if they think you believe it, signals weakness.

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    • DeplorablePatriotInCa says:

      My only explanation is that it is common practice for ex government officials to retain their clearance. And waiving “need to know” doesn’t mean unfettered access to everything, which is what is being inferred. Maybe she’s being set up to see what she tries to access.

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  14. Kaco says:

    You guys are going to love this one:

    H.R. McMaster’s Ties To Soros-Supported Think Tank Raise Questions

    National Security Advisor Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster’s past affiliation with the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) has created fresh concerns after research conducted by Disobedient Media revealed that the British think tank has taken funding from multiple governments in the Middle East and organizations tied to George Soros. McMaster’s former position with the IISS indicates a potential conflict of interest given the think tanks’ financial ties to sponsors who are anti-American and in some cases, states sponsors of terrorism.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-13/hr-mcmaster%E2%80%99s-ties-soros-supported-think-tank-raise-questions

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  15. I think we have another Mueller and his name is McMaster.

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  16. There is enough specific information coming out about McMaster’s “purge” at the NSC, and his moves to protect and preserve the “Obama holdovers”, from “on-the-record” sources that I am beginning to drop my skepticism.

    There is something rotten at the NSC.

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  17. Raheem Kassam offered a concise analysis of what is going on at the White House:

    There were three cliques in the White House: “New York Globalists” (Jared and Ivanka et al); the “Nationalists” (Steve Bannon et al); and the RNC (Reince Preibus et al). The RNC had aligned with the Nationalists against the New York globalists.

    Anthony Scaramucci was brought in at the urging of the New York globalists to get rid of the RNC group. Perhaps not quite in the way it happened, but the effect was to deprive the Nationalist group of its ally.

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    • Kaco says:

      What?!

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        I don’t buy it completely – just one way of trying to explain a very complicated dynamic. For example, Bannon and Jared are “like this” (fingers crossed) on many things. So dividing the “globalists” and “nationalists” isn’t clear-cut. But I agree that the loss of Reince has created a power-shift – very likely of Trump’s design.

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        • The analysis is a little pat.

          However, the allegations against McMaster are very specific: That he is firing “Trump loyalists” (the people Flynn brought in primarily); that he won’t hear a word against “Obama holdovers” and specifically forbade the use of that term; and, McMaster is not keen on the term “Radical Islamic Terror” and toed the Obama administration line that terrorism is “un-Islamic”.

          Furthermore, these are not “un-named sources familiar with the issue”; the people saying these things about McMaster are on the record.

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          • wolfmoon1776 says:

            I will definitely say there are things about McMaster I don’t like. What you say there – total agreement. He is NOT my favorite Trump underling by any means.

            The thing is this – “Trump loyalists” come in a lot of different flavors, sizes and colors. I’m a Trump loyalist. Bannon is a Trump loyalist. Jared and Ivanka are Trump loyalists, and NOT the same types at that. Bill Mitchell, Jack Posobiec – even Cernovich is a loyalist in a weird “critical loyalist” way. And yes – McMaster is a MILITARY loyalist – one of the best kinds. I respect that. When Obama was POTUS, I would have taken a bullet for him (even as a civilian) BECAUSE OF THE OFFICE, just like McMaster. We need loyalists like that.

            I just don’t see this as damning. Trump is not a baby. He will call the Iran deal no good if it goes bad, I have no doubt. He will defend Israel with his last breath, and send help before it’s ever needed. Trump will never, ever throw Israel under the bus. EVER.

            This whole thing seems weird. I think Sundance is calling this right. It’s infighting over how the NSC is going to operate, but Trump is still calling the shots, and we need to not take bait.

            At least, knowing what I know right this instant, that is my call.

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            • You nailed the essence: “infighting over how the NSC will opeate”. However, occasionally, deep analysis strays into Dale Dribble territory: So intent on looking deep to discern the unseen that it misses the plainly obvious.

              It seems McMaster has an affinity for exactly the wrong type of NSC staffers. Don’t let the “Jerusalem Post” or tactics that smack of “Deep State/Fake News” blind you to that possibility.

              If the reports are accurate, Trump will bring the hammer down.

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    • Red says:

      Very Interesting…and plausable. Maybe this was found out and that is why Mooch was gone so quick (not to mention the rant).
      I do like the Idea of moving McM to Afganistan since he sent up the failing battle plan (which PDJT rejected). Let McM sink or swim there.

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  18. The Drake says:

    Mueller Impanels Grand Jury To Investigate Russian Interference

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing two people familiar with the matter. That’s a sign that his inquiry is growing in intensity and entering a new phase, the report said.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mueller-impanels-grand-jury-to-investigate-russian-interference-wsj-2017-08-03

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  19. The suspicion of McMasters has extended beyond the alt right realm. The following article by sometime NeverTrumper Paul Mirengoff from Poweline sounds the alarm on McMaster from a somewhat different perspective.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/mcmaster-purges-trump-loyalists.php

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  20. scott467 says:

    “That said, it’s not the differences of opinion that present problems – it’s when those differences become entrenched in opposition to the reason for the groups primary function. That’s when differences become problems.”

    ________________

    What is more ‘entrenched‘ or pervasive in one’s character than a worldview shaped by political-correctness? If there is a single Obama holdover who is not wholly PC, who would that be? You can’t BE a Leftist without embracing the dogma of PC.

    What is more ‘entrenched‘ than a globalist worldview? You can’t ever ‘get there’ without first abandoning America and the entire concept of the nation-state and national sovereignty.

    What is more ‘entrenched‘ that Progressive-Leftism (e.g, ALL of the Obama holdovers)? It is their substitute for God, it is their RELIGION.

    Marxism, Political-Correctness, Globalism, the use of islamic invasion to displace whole cultures and peoples… it’s all part of the same “New World Order” one-world government religion/dogma/Orwell cancer on humanity.

    If you don’t cut out the CANCER from your leadership, the patient will never recover.

    It’s not rocket science.

    It’s not even backyard football.

    It’s elementary.

    .

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  21. CountryclassVulgarian says:

    Okay I’m listening to Hannity and he has Sara Carter and a women from the Jerusalem post and if I believe these women our President is a blundering fool who is completely unaware of the traitors who surround him. I simply cannot accept that Donald Trump is that clueless or stupid.

    There a lot of people around the President who I do not trust but I do trust him. I trust his intelligence and his judgement. I do not buy all this “subterfuge” is going on around him and he is just cluelessly going around holding MAGA rallies. That is not the Donald Trump I have been following, listening to and supporting.

    Is this a deep state/very fake news drive by media ploy to sow discord?

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    • No, the president is not stupid but he is not omniscient. He doesn’t know about every single analyst hired and fired at the NSC, nor should he. However, if as these reports suggest McMaster is enabling Obama holdovers to hold sway at the NSC, at the expense of those who hold contrary views apparently in line with the President’s own ideas, then that is a problem.

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    • Kaco says:

      President Trump does not micromanage, he delegates to his cabinet officials to handle that. We’ve heard that from Ryan Zinke and his Mattis that this is so. They make the decisions, but they are supposed to be on his agenda. I hope he looks closer into this situation with his National Security Adviser. He seems close with Hannity, hopefully he will speak to him soon.

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  22. Phil aka Felipe says:

    This article gets an

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  23. darcy says:

    Long before I came to appreciate the political insight of Sundance here at CTH — and became a regular reader and comment contributor — I followed the work of Diana West, Stephen Coughlin, and others, such as Dr. Bill Warner and Clair Lopez. Oh yes, and Andy McCarthy too, and just as importantly vladtepes.com and GatesofVienna.com, Frank Gaffney and John Guandolo, among others whose views I intensely share!

    From my long-term scrutiny of this issue — the issue being that Islam is peaceful if only we don’t aggravate their adherents (by just being alive) then all will be well.

    This is where I KNOW McMaster fits.

    If Sundance wants to ASSUME that our beloved President Trump is up to speed on the REALITY of Islams’s nefarious intentions (being insulated as he is with McMaster types who “sing a different tune”) then fine.

    I for one will not *dismiss,* *ignore*, nor *discount* my YEARS of research and close following of this dynamic in order to give my President a pass. NO. He needs some people in the Oval Office who PRESENT to him a picture that is different from the one the McMasters of the administration give him.

    I mentioned names of those I would recommend to him, above.

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    • CountryclassVulgarian says:

      To many “good” people have been swayed by the “religion of peace” nonsense. In one of the most biblical based churches I know a friend just got in trouble with the elders becuase he posts the truth about the religion of hate and rape. Islam is a serious problem for the world and too many are willing to trade the truth for the nebulous idea that if we appease they will leave us alone. Many of the “experts” on the religion of hate and rape have never even read their unholy books. Most do not even listen to or read what their own scholars are saying.

      Gates of Vienna, Bill Warner and Andy McCarthy are on my go to list. Yes, I know Andy is/was a neverTrumper. Tha fact of the matter is he knows whereof he speaks when it comes to the religion of hate and rape.

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      • Kaco says:

        Why doesn’t this Andy McCarthy like PT?

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        • CountryclassVulgarian says:

          The usual “he is brash, says means things, not experienced” nonsense. Now that was during the campaign. He has been defending the President. In other words he is not your bill kristol-ben sasse type NeverTrumper. At least not from what I have seen..

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      • scott467 says:

        I don’t know “Gates of Vienna, Bill Warner and Andy McCarthy”, but you are 1,000% correct that islam is the core problem.

        The unwillingness of people to see this reality is why Europe is being lost without even putting up a fight — a fight they could win in under a week, if they weren’t blind. During the Crusades (which occurred by islam invaded the Holy Lands, as always, islam was the aggressor!), each side had swords and it was (more or less) man on man.

        Today, the West has a military advantage of practically infinitely over the barbarian hordes. Nearly every nation in Europe has a standing army of some sort, most have helicopters, tanks, ships, planes, missiles, bombs, all the implements of destruction any modern fighting force requires.

        By contrast, the islamic invaders have… NOTHING. Okay, a few rifles and pistols, some machetes, and some IEDs. That’s IT.

        Europe could ERASE islam from the continent in a WEEK if they wanted to, but it would require the WILL to actually DO IT.

        And you can’t GET THERE from HERE without overcoming the mass-psychological denial, which is a direct result of weaponized Political Correctness.

        The good news is that Political Correctness is easily defeated. All you have to do is challenge it, and it goes up in smoke, because there’s no “there” there. It’s just grade school bullying and peer-pressure for ‘adults’ (and I use that word loosely, it’s hard to consider someone an adult when he caves to grade-school peer-pressure tactics…).

        But until or unless “Political Correctness” is exposed as the Left’s favorite tool of thought and behavior control, we just have in-fighting between those who can see the truth and those who are afraid and seek refuge in psychological denial.

        Psychological denial is winning in Europe, because Political-Correctness is winning.

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    • Phil aka Felipe says:

      Amen, darcie. Phil Haney is another that Trump needs to hear.

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    • Howie says:

      AFAIC toss MixMaster out ASAP. Promote some Marine major Generals and spice it up with a couple patriotic Army Brigadiers.

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  24. lisaginnz says:

    I don’t trust anyone “in government” besides our newly elected Potus Trump and his chosen staff. McMaster’s hasn’t proven trust worthy to me. We’ll see.
    #FireAllTheObamaRegimists

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  25. neilmdunn says:

    Knives and Techniques to Get McMasters https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/03/propaganda-reports-of-hr-mcmasters-letter-to-susan-rice-presented-to-deceive/

    On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:16 AM, The Last Refuge wrote:

    > sundance posted: “There is a considerable amount of visible internet and > social media angst surrounding the National Security Council and staffing > decisions made by National Security Advisor HR McMaster. CTH has no > insight into the inner workings of disagreements within ” >

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  26. scott467 says:

    “Now, if you overlay an entrenched disposition drawn out and influenced by elements within political policy and political media who have an underlying religious basis for their unwillingness to accept pragmatism, well,… then the conversation gets more…. well, confrontational and immediately challenging. I’m using the word “challenging” here with a great level of diplomacy between the syllables.”

    _________________

    Who is the ‘political media’ to which you refer?

    Do you mean the NeverTrump media, or corporate ‘conservative’ media (Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, et al), or do you mean ALL political media, to include those who are openly opposed to DJT?

    What is the underlying ‘religious basis’ of the ‘political media’ to which you refer?

    Do you mean… I don’t even know what to ask. Do you mean NeoCons (they’re not noted for religion…) and their traditional pro-Israel at any cost (for reasons that have nothing to do with religion)?

    Or something else?

    What does ‘religion’ on our side have to do with anything, as opposed to ‘religion’ on the islamic side?

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    • sundance says:

      Israel First media.

      Washington Free Beacon – various
      Front Page Mag – various
      Conservative Review – Mark Levin
      Daily Wire – Ben Shapiro
      NRO – Rich Lowry
      Salem Group – various

      You know, all the media enterprises who endorsed Ted Cruz over Donald Trump. There was an aligned ideological reason for that.

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      • scott467 says:

        I understand now, thank you!

        I didn’t see this post before I posted my most recent post.

        Many thanks,
        Scott

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      • heidi says:

        The Glazov Gang-McMaster’s Firing of Higgins: Crippling America in the Face of Jihad.

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        • darcy says:

          Thank you, heidi. I watched the entire interview, and I must admit that I come away even more wary of McMaster than before. Rather than summarize it for Treepers, I strongly recommend they watch it themselves and draw their own conclusions. It’s well worth your time. The points made about the war (us against the red/green axis) being waged in the information battle-space are especially important.

          The firing of Richard Higgins by McMaster was unconscionable, IMO. John Guandolo explains why. JG also stated that Stephen Coughlin (see his bio here: http://unconstrainedanalytics.org/stephen-coughlin/ ) would be great as the head of the NSA. I agree!!

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        • Phil aka Felipe says:

          Thanks for posting this, heidi. I watched this and appreciate you posting it. I recommed it for all. (wife and I already know John, and have also been in a briefing with Rich Higgins last year before the election)

          I have to say I am mystified about Sundance’s stance on the uproar over McMasters firing of people that are on our side and Trump’s.

          In addition to this video I read the article in the Atlantic that Sundance referenced in the piece. The excerpts of what Rich Higgins wrote in the memo in the Atlantic are similar to what we read here at CTH. The Deep State is real and there is political warfare taking place and the Globalists (ultimately Satan’s pawns) will gladly use the nexus of the Left and Islamists working together to destroy the last earthly nation standing in their way to take over the world and make slaves of us all.

          Rich Higgins and others are watchmen on the wall. We best heed their warnings instead of removing, silencing, or ridiculing them.

          The ones that need removing, silencing, and ridiculing are those siding with the forces of evil; McMasters being one of them.

          I do not understand. Sundance seems to be contradicting himself here simply because some outlets that he doesn’t hold in high regard have touted getting rid of someone that is blind to the threat posed and wants everyone else to be blind to it too.

          The threat is not related to Israel first and only, it is a threat to this nation and mankind.

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      • mikeyboo says:

        What those outlets have in common is not “Israel first” but their warning against militarized Islam as representing imminent peril to the West and indeed the world.

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      • mikeyboo says:

        What those outlets have in common is not “Israel first” but rather the warning of the imminent peril represented by Islam to the West and indeed the world.

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  27. scott467 says:

    “Now, if you overlay an entrenched disposition drawn out and influenced by elements within political policy and political media who have an underlying religious basis for their unwillingness to accept pragmatism, well,… then the conversation gets more…. well, confrontational and immediately challenging. I’m using the word “challenging” here with a great level of diplomacy between the syllables.”

    _______________

    The great deal of emphasis is welcome, but unfortunately entirely wasted, because…

    I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    I can’t even guess.

    I greatly appreciate the insight and the information that is available here, but personally, I find that many times things are alluded to with a ‘wink wink’ and a ‘nod’, that are UNKNOWABLE without a decoder ring.

    And since the entire point of this website is to convey information, presumably so that ‘we’ can spread the message, that necessarily means “we” have to be able to UNDERSTAND the message.

    I am well educated, reasonably intelligent, and very active in staying informed about current events.

    And I have NO IDEA what you are referring to in the paragraph quoted above.

    It could be that I’m just stupid, I always have to allow for that possibility. Maybe I hit my head earlier today and suffered brain damage as a result, and I don’t remember hitting my head.

    Or maybe I’m not alone, and a lot of other people have a hard time without a decoder ring too…

    I’m just sayin’, SPIT IT OUT, MAN!

    Spell it out, if you have to.

    The whole idea is to COMMUNICATE, and it is very easy to just assume that everyone else knows what you know, when in fact, they DON’T.

    And MANY people (myself excluded) aren’t eager to draw attention to the fact that they don’t understand something, which means you probably don’t receive a lot of feedback on this sort of thing.

    Like I said, maybe I’m just stupid. Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t understand.

    But I don’t think so…

    .

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  28. Travis McGee says:

    If these generals and admirals were such swell people why is the military in such a mess that DT needs to rebuild it into a fighting force? The majority are political lickspittle ass kissers once they reach that rank. If they weren’t cashiered out by Obama then they could have always resigned their commission in protest if they disagreed with his policy. Instead they popped to attention and said “yes sir”, radical Islam isn’t our enemy – climate change is the number one enemy, and of course the military should be used as a social engineering testing ground. I love our military and am grateful to those that serve or have served but the Pentagon has let it turn into a PC Swamp.

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  29. Sepp says:

    The website Understanding the Threat has a posting today about this.

    http://www.understandingthethreat.com

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  30. scott467 says:

    “Consider the foreign policy proposals, and worldviews therein, of candidate Donald Trump and candidate Ted Cruz.”

    ______________

    I don’t recall many of the specific policy proposals of Cruz anymore, beyond recognizing that he was a globalist based on his support for TTP and his support for immigration (teddy bears on the border with Glenn Beck, IIRC).

    Globalist = bad. If all we had to choose from was globalists, then the nuances between globalists’ policies might be important (though not really, because they’re all liars anyway), but since we DID have the choice of a non-globalist, then ‘Globalist = bad’ is enough to know.

    .
    .

    “Now think about taking the foreign policy/NatSec principals from both candidate camps, and the outlooks carried therein, and put them into the same council chamber to hammer out papers of recommended action toward policy.”

    _______________

    That’s just it, I wouldn’t. I would never do that. I would not allow the enemy IN the camp. Why does ANYONE do that?

    I might have ONE globalist advisor, to make sure I understood and was current regarding the globalist’s perspective, i.e., what they’re up to and why, the same way I would want an islam expert if I was a military General fighting islamic people.

    But I sure wouldn’t have the islam expert contributing to military strategy, unless he was also a military expert, in addition to being knowledgeable about islam.

    .

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  31. brenrod says:

    I was convinced by your own argument that in all cases its best to declare cair and mb terror orgs now…. most importantly for the domestic front where the gov is infiltrated by mb sympathizers and US institutions are corrupted dangerously by muslim money
    Mcmaster appears to be the same old same old,,,, which has miserable failed on all fronts.

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  32. jeans2nd says:

    Odds are I missed this being said among all the comments, but the Atlantic article seems to offer support for your “leaker” theory, for at least one guy.

    “Higgins wrote the memo in late May, and at some point afterwards it began circulating among people outside the White House associated with the Trump campaign to whom Higgins had given it.”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/a-national-security-council-staffer-is-forced-out-over-a-controversial-memo/535725/

    That said, one of the other guys prob did rise to his highest level of incompetence, based on the opinions of those who knew him well.
    Others may just not work and play well with others (oops, nevermind, that is me)
    Others may not have learned how to follow orders when discussion time is over.
    A combination of factors then, depending on each fired person’s individual situation.
    Kind of like life, mais oui?

    btw, these same highly respected individuals have the highest regard for LtG McM

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  33. wildbill2u says:

    There seems to be general agreement that one firing on the NSC was the result of a memo that apparently did not agree with McMasters viewpoint. While none of us WH gazers know the exact details of what might have come before that important step to remove the person from the national security discussions, it is concerning if the conversations become so one-sided that only one POV is presented.

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  34. BGPGuy says:

    Political correctness subconsciously prevents people from accepting certain facts and realities. It can be subconscious, effect analysis and recommendations. My fear is that McMasters has shown an adoption of a PC view of Islam, and his purge is going to keep the President from getting the information and counsel he needs. If a specific tactic is hard or even impossible to gather consensus around, fine, but the purge shows me he does not know how to lead, and is protecting his own PC beliefs. It’s a bad sign if true, no matter who is reporting on it.

    Things like this bother me…
    http://www.meforum.org/6598/does-hr-mcmaster-share-obama-views-on-islamism

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