President Trump Meets Pope Francis – Livestream…

President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump meet Pope Francis at the Vatican in Rome on the fifth day of Trump’s first foreign presidential trip; after visiting the cradles of Islam (Saudi Arabia) and Judaism (Israel).

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Ongoing Livestream Below:

 

President Trump’s schedule for Wednesday, 5/24/17
All Times Local // Eastern Time

8:25 AM // 2:25 AM The president and first lady participate in an arrival ceremony at the Vatican – Vatican City
8:40 AM // 2:40 AM The president participates in an audience with His Holiness Pope Francis – Vatican City
9:05 AM // 3:05 AM The president and first lady participate in an expanded audience with His Holiness Pope Francis – Vatican City
9:25 AM // 3:25 AM The president participates in a bilateral meeting with Cardinal Secretary of State Pietro Parolin – Vatican City
10:00 AM // 4:00 AM The president and first lady tour the Sistine Chapel and St. Peters Basilica – Vatican City
11:30 AM // 5:30 AM the president participates in a bilateral meeting with President Sergio Mattarella of Italy – Quirinal Palace
12:35 AM // 6:35 AM The president participates in a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni of Italy – Villa Taverna
1:55 PM // 7:55 AM The president and first lady depart Rome, Italy en route to Brussels, Belgium – Fiumicino Leonardo da Vinci International Airport
3:55 PM // 9:55 AM The president and first lady arrive in Brussels, Belgium and participate in an airport welcome ceremony – Brussels International Airport
4:40 PM // 10:40 AM The president and first lady take an official photo with Their Majesties King Philippe and Queen Mathilde of Belgium – Royal Palace
5:15 PM // 11:15 AM The president participates in a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Charles Michel of Belgium – Royal Palace

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811 Responses to President Trump Meets Pope Francis – Livestream…

  1. Pam says:

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  2. Bendix says:

    I see Donald looking tired from his whirlwind tour, but I don’t see where he looks any more tired than the Pope.
    As for the lovely in every sense Melania, she looks to be enjoying this audience.
    As for the scarf, it’s her head and she can wear or not wear whatever she wants on it, which I believe we see her doing in the pictures.
    I’m thinking a former model with the fashion sense she’s been displaying was somewhat eager to try out that look. It’s not something you do every day, certainly not in Manhattan.
    She pulled it off, and then some.
    I hope someone working for her reads her some of our remarks, she deserves to hear the positive feedback.

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    • KBR says:

      Elegant, highly intelligent, kind, tasteful and diplomatic as well as naturally beautiful.
      A wonderful first lady!

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    • sunnydaysall says:

      As for Melania’s head-scarf, I was raised Catholic and women always wore something on their heads… Be it a hat, scarf or even a hanky pinned into the hair, and some wore nothing at all. I believe she wore the veil out of respect for the Pope and because it is a very old tradition! Nothing anyone would get upset about if she had chosen not to wear it! And being as their religion is Presbyterians/ Christians, some churchs probably have some of the same traditions 🙂

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      • Presbyterians are not a branch of Catholic..Presbyterians believe in predestination..not in the Catholic faith.

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        • TexasDude says:

          uhm … ok

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        • sunnydaysall says:

          They are all Christians!! I said she was probably doing it out of respect for the Pope and his religion! Both religions are Christian!!

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          • All American Snowflake says:

            Presbyterian is governed by elders just as does the Catholic Church has a hierarchy of elders. This system of church governance is different from the Congregational church system of governance in which each church group is autonomous. For example, a Catholic church in the USA is under the same authority as a Catholic church in France and will have the exact same order of worship and rules. However, Congregationalist pay their own pastor locally and make their own decisions how the local group sets the order of church service and make up their own rules. Some may baptize with rose petals instead of water or whatever.

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        • jsbachlover says:

          Saying “Catholic faith” is a misnomer, but it’s used all the time; or rather, misused. The “faith” is Christianity: “the Christian faith.” The denomination/church, as part of Christianity, is Catholic. Or Presbyterian, or which ever. (Though it its official doctrine the Roman Catholic Church still believes it is the only true church.) Predestination, by the way, is all over the place in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. It’s not exactly an obscure biblical teaching. But that’s a topic for another time and place.

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          I read elsewhere today that Melania is Catholic. The Daily Mail is making a point that they can’t find record of her baptism or first communion and since her father worked for the communist party they may not have done so to stay in good standing with the communist government.

          From what I understand, open practice of any Christian faith was not permitted in the Eastern bloc countries at that time. Maybe she was much more moved by this visit than we have been told so far. Seeing her praying alone at a Virgin Mary statue and again at an altar makes me think so.

          Donald is a Presbyterian. I believe Melania is Catholic.

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          • All American Snowflake says:

            People coming out of eastern bloc countries are the darnedest people about their religion. My boyfriend comes from Belarus . You think they are just your ordinary run of the mill infidels and then one day they causally mention to you that their whole family is Russian Orthodox. Shock! What the ____ is that?

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      • All American Snowflake says:

        The covering for a woman’s head likely came from these verses in 1st Corinthians 11.
        “For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. … It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.”

        In the South the Holiness Church (you know Elvis’ church) holds/held the tradition that a woman must not cut her hair. A woman’s hair was considered her crown and glory. “But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.” ~1 Corinthians 11:15
        “Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?” ~1 Corinthians 11:14

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        • sunnydaysall says:

          Wow! So, did Jesus have long hair according to the Holiness Church?

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          • All American Snowflake says:

            Nope. Jesus was a Nazirite.
            A nazirite was a person consecrated to God either from birth, such as Samson or Samuel; or for a limited time.[18] “Nazirite” (Ναζιραῖος) is only one letter off from “Nazorean” (Ναζωραῖος) in Greek.[7] A Nazirite (נְזִיר) was an Israelite who had taken special vows of dedication to Yahweh whereby he abstained for a specified period of time from using alcohol and grape products, cutting his hair, and approaching corpses. At the end of the period he was required to immerse himself in water.[citation needed] Thus the baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:13-15) by John the Baptist could have been done “to fulfil all righteousness” at the ending of a nazirite vow. Following his baptism, the gospels give no reason to suppose Jesus took another nazirite vow until The Last Supper, (see Mark 14:25).

            Luke 1:15 describes John the Baptist as a nazirite from birth. James the Just was described as a nazirite in Epiphanius of Salamis’ Panarion 29.4.1. In Acts 21:23-26 Paul the Apostle is advised to accompany four men having “a vow on them” (a nazirite vow) to Herod’s Temple and to purify himself in order that it might appear “that you yourself also walk orderly”. In Acts 24:5 Paul was accused of being a “ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes”. Tertullian also cites Lamentations 4:7 as evidence that Christians were predicted to be called Nazirites.[19] Lam 4:7 is another instance where Nazirites is rendered in Greek as ναζιραῖοι.[20]

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      • jsbachlover says:

        Melania was raised Catholic also, and may still be a Catholic, for all we know.

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    • Sharon A Sutton says:

      Wearing the Scarf> or when I was growing up in Catholic School we wore little white doilies to show *Respect & *Holiness for the Blessed Virgin Mary and Respect & Holiness in Church! Unlike the headdress of Islam which shows submission & inequality to men! We didn’t get our fingers cut off or stoned to death for NOT wearing it!

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      • Ad rem says:

        Found your comment in the spam bin Sharon… 😦

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      • Deb says:

        The custom was for women to cover their heads as a sign of humility and respect just as men would uncover their heads as a sign of humility and respect.

        The custom evolved from veils to hats. Remember how women wouldn’t leave the house without a hat and gloves?

        Now in our ultra casual culture, the custom has lost all meaning. Head coverings are no longer the required custom in Catholic Churches, though some people still carry on the custom on their own.

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    • deqwik2 says:

      After watching some video on twitter & here, I think Melania has been Catholic in her lifetime.
      1. The Pope blessed her rosary beads during the photo session when she was 1st introduced to him.

      Watch her after she lays the flowers. 0:26

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      • Paul says:

        She loves children and they love her

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      • Theo West says:

        Both Melania and Ivanka’s mother are from traditionally Roman Catholic countries, and of Judeo-Christian heritage. I saw the veils and traditional dress as a show of respect for their own heritage. And I couldn’t help but wonder if the veils were a subtle rebuke of Pope Francis’ liberalism. But then as a Catholic, that might be wishful thinking!

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          You may have something there. I totally agree about the heritage thing, and I think there is definitely some “stand-up” regarding Francis.

          Beyond that, I believe there was another message there – to the Muslim world.

          NO head covering for Islam, which she does not practice. NO head covering required for her in Judaism. Vatican typically tells men to remove hats and women to cover their shoulders. Head covering for women not obligatory at the Vatican, but it sends a message of NON-SUBMISSION TO ISLAM.

          Trump wore a yarmulke in Israel because in the same way that Bill Clinton was “the first black president”, Trump is pretty much “the first Jewish president”, IMO, being that he’s unabashedly pro-Judaism and pro-Israel and has a daughter who converted.

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        • All American Snowflake says:

          Wishful thinking, Theo West. 🙂

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        • deqwik2 says:

          She is Roman Catholic. I posted article below.

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      • phoenixRising says:

        Melania IS Catholic… Marrying a divorced man caused excommunication from the Church. POTUS is Presbyterian.

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        • RG says:

          I suppose Newt’s wife is in the same boat. Didn’t she just get appointed to some position related to the Catholic Church? Pardon me for not knowing the facts but I do remember thinking that she is married to a divorced man.

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          • Deb says:

            Newt wasn’t Catholic when he was divorced, he wasn’t in a “Catholic wedding.” When he converted he had his first marriage annulled as it wasn’t a “sacramental marriage,”, then he was free to enter into a Catholic marriage with Calista.

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        • Deb says:

          That does not cause excommunication.

          Catholics are required to marry in a Catholic ceremony. Since PDJT was never married in a Catholic Church, Melania could have married him in a Catholic ceremony. But neither of them were Catholic.

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        • Timmy-the-Ute says:

          she can’t take the Eucharist during Mass but she is not excommunicated.

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          I’d think you have to be officially excommunicated – was she? I thought the RCC moved away from this.

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      • All American Snowflake says:

        Is that why Melania is wearing black? Because she is in some kind of mourning?

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        • Deb says:

          Wearing black and head coverings was the traditional diplomatic protocol for the Vatican. People forget that the Pope is also a head of state, and so these are diplomatic meetings with their own protocols and customs. The “dress code” really isn’t followed anymore, this was a sign of respect by Ivanka and Melania. Not so much for Francis himself, but for the Vatican as an autonomous city-state.

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      • Lack is not all says:

        In this video, She crossed herself in front of a statue of a Saint or the Virgin Mary, I couldnt say. Only a Catholic does that. She must’ve been raised Catholic and later converted, maybe before marrying the Donald. Only conjectures from my part.

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        • wondering999 says:

          Presbyterians don’t generally demand that their spouses convert. It’s other religions/sects that ask/demand conversion for acceptance. Among most Protestants, it’s generally a more personal thing; you can’t demand that another person “convert”, their faith is internal and not dictated by outside demands. The Protestants in my family were a very mixed group. It was the Catholics and the Jews (and I think Muslim women must ask their husbands to convert) who were likely to ask their spouses to try and conform to groupthink/identity. Not trying to be insulting here so please don’t take offense anyone. It’s just how I’ve seen it work.

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      • Deb says:

        The orthodox religions are very similar to Catholocism, including the use of rosaries. She may have been Eastern Orthodox.

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      • deqwik2 says:

        This article just posted & Melania confirms she is Catholic.

        “Now we know one reason why the first lady began with ‘Let us pray’ and ‘Our Father who art in heaven’ when she introduced the president that evening: She’s a practicing Roman Catholic.”

        “Her spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham confirmed that to DailyMail.com on Wednesday, hours after Pope Francis blessed a rosary for her at the Vatican.”

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539392/Melania-Catholic-White-House-Kennedy.html#ixzz4i2dFGgRb

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        I read elsewhere that she was raised Catholic.

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    • Theo West says:

      Both Melania and Ivanka’s mother are from traditionally Roman Catholic countries, and of Judeo-Christian heritage. I saw the veils and traditional dress as a show of respect for their own heritage. And I couldn’t help but wonder if the veils were a subtle rebuke of Pope Francis’ liberalism. But then as a Catholic, that might be wishful thinking!

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      • Theo West says:

        Sorry, this comment posted twice and I don’t know why. WordPress is so buggy!

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        • Benson II says:

          I love CTH with all my heart but I hate wordpress with a white hot hate.

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          • wolfmoon1776 says:

            It’s basically the martial law of commenting. Sadly needed in this war.

            This is what happens when we let proggies take over so much of the other commenting systems. WordPress is basically the last refuge against all their weaponized IT. I’ve watched what happens to sites that start using Facebook commenting, and it ain’t pretty. The hacks start, and people give up and leave. Disqus is better, but still subject to a lot of hacks and manipulation. Anything that lets the bad guys target key people – including all their Obama-donated IC tech – will be used. Of all the systems I’ve been on, WP is by far the most reliable. And Sundance assures us that it is the best at preserving OUR privacy.

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            • RG says:

              Facebook comments are an instant way to stop a comment cold. I used to try to comment on one site but finally gave up. I can live without FB also.

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        I also wondered if it was a bit of a slight rebuke to not wearing hijabs in SA. Either way, I like it.

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  3. Pam says:

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    • Running Fast says:

      The pop brought up climate change?! Are you kidding me!?

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      • singingsoul says:

        I will be upset if any religious leader influences out POTUS.
        We in the US have separation of church ad State. I like my Catholic friends and I like its tradition but do not like interference in Politics. I am sure no one would like if POTUS tells the Pope what to do ?

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        • TheLastDemocrat says:

          Great! So, take any matter of morality, like drug use, poverty, charity, child rearing, redefine it as a political issue rather than a moral issue,

          then go tell us religious people to keep our opinions to ourselves, on Sunday!

          Thanks a lot!

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        • phoenixRising says:

          What say you with regard to the Jewish influence over the POTUS?

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        • Deb says:

          The Pope is also a head of state, that’s why we have diplomatic relations with the Vatican. As such it is proper for the Pope and PDJT to discuss world events and political realities.

          That said, the document the Pope presented to PDJT is his own exhortation on how to be a good steward to the environment. It isn’t just about “climate change.” That said, it is filled with total BS, I say that as a Catholic.

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      • that is why he was put there

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      • Sunshine says:

        Crazy, but then again, the Pope is not ‘all there’. Definite signs of creeping senility.
        There is nothing we can do to stop the climate from changing, we can only adapt to it and build according to it.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Amen.

          And we can learn more about it, so that we truly know what to do.

          If long-term warming is actually in the interest of civilization (if not life itself) on this planet, then fighting it is like puncturing rafts and breaking up lifeboats on the Titanic. What if the optimal plan for life extension on this planet is to get as much historical carbon into an active cycle as possible? What if polar ice caps are like an early warning of planetary DEATH or even just vulnerability? The fact is, we don’t know the big picture, and yet we act as if we do.

          FIRST THINGS FIRST.

          SEEK FIRST TO UNDERSTAND, THEN TO CHANGE THE WORLD.

          This is why I call myself a skeptic and not a denier. It’s our radical actions in the name of insufficient knowledge about “climate change” which I find appalling. Conservatism says to be careful, but it also says to be prepared – and THAT means know what you’re doing before you do anything.

          Obama-style thinking tips over the apple cart because it finds one worm. THAT needs to come to an end. The socialists have nearly wrecked civilization – and possibly even the planet – with their reckless actions. Their stupidity in mixing incompatible cultures using sneaky false crises to manipulate people in an uninformed manner gives me ZERO confidence that they know what they are doing in any other way. Time to grab the steering wheel, pull over, and find where we are on the map. And then the kids take a break from driving.

          And while we’re at it, grab the kids’ smartphones and see if they have a Twitter friend named sAtAn, Mohammed, or Beldar from France who is telling them to wreck the car. Just to be sure. 😉

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          • dayallaxeded says:

            Thanks for this! Exactly on point–the Goreacle’s pet scam of anthropogenic globull wormening is plainly an attempt to aggrandize man above the divine creation of the natural universe. We are a tiny cog or spec of grease in this grandly, divinely conceived creation. Our goals should be turned toward understanding and reverence for the universe within which we have been granted life, not pretending that we control it.

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      • Lack is not all says:

        The Pope is a communist, always was since working in the shanties in his country of origin.

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  5. Pam says:

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  7. Bob Thoms says:

    The Pope isn’t the only problem within the Catholic Church; the American Cardinals and Bishops are worthless……Dolan is a media whore who supports multicultural BS, same with the new bishop of the Dallas Diocese – Burns – an open border advocate.

    The American Catholic Church widely opposes the America First of President Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/30/some-of-the-u-s-s-most-important-catholic-leaders-are-condemning-trumps-travel-ban/?utm_term=.18d4b3c49696

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    • Jedi9 says:

      Yep! Screw the pope! He is nothing but a globalist puppet!

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    • Rainy says:

      The Catholic church has made a ton of money all over our country with their “charity” relocating “immigrants” don’t forget, it’s all about the money for them!!
      Sell your artifacts Vatican city and help the poor! Hypocrits! One painting, one gold chalice could feed thousands right outside you’re “city” WALLS.
      You’re no Peters you’re no Paul’s you have dropped the ball over the centuries…….can a man buy his way into heaven with an indulgence? Should a priest be single only to keep the church land in the church? But what do you expect from man…..they seem to always corrupt for 💰.
      God bless all sincere Catholics, right is right wrong is wrong.

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      • Guyver1 says:

        Thank you for jogging my memory… you will like this.
        I first saw a particular movie when I was 13 years old. It was not a big hit, it was a thinking person’s movie, which is why I believe my parents took me to see it- they were feeding my mind.
        It made an impression on me that has lasted a lifetime.
        The end goes along the lines of what you mentioned.
        ‘The Shoes of the Fisherman’- The promo clip sets up the story:

        And the solution… the amazing, wonderful final scene:

        Like I said, food for thought…

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    • I attend a Methodist church, and they definitely lean Left. We are encouraged to donate to the Migrant Mission, to give gift bags to migrant workers. The Food Bank is one place to which I like to donate, and hats and gloves for school children, etc, but I think the migrant gift bags go too far because many of these people have been making these rounds , probably since they were children, get free housing and education for their children and probably government support in addition to wages earned, I see it as a form of indoctrination for people who are generous and make giving a part of their lives. I think giving shaving cream to people who can easily go down the road and get their own is condescending, and see moving for a job with so many things already in place to help you is more than most people receive. I don’t want to harden my heart, but I refuse to donate to this.

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      • Donna in Oregon says:

        They must be in the Refugee Relocation business with the Pope. They like American taxpayer money. It’s a cash cow for them. The Catholic church never wants it to end. The pedophile priests hurt their bottom line.

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        • LKA in LA says:

          Donna I agree. You summed it all up in a few sentences. There is zero sincerity to go with the weekly guilt trip either that the priest’s dish out. Zero. My priest doesn’t even make eye contact. Truth is—I seek out God on my own now. The guidance that use to be there is now running after “migrants and I doubt will ever return.”

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      • ginaswo says:

        God bless.
        I had cause to research the BILLIONS of taxpayer $$ being funneled through the churches under the guise of ‘refugee resettlement’.
        It’s incredible. Methodist Church is top recipient of this money, but *all* the churches are in on the action.

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      • singingsoul says:

        Some Presbyterian also lean left and also support illegals.

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      • TheLastDemocrat says:

        I guess not a lot of people know this. But the Communists have been targeting all of the Christian denominations as part of their efforts to weaken Judeo-Christianity, a main institution sustaining our “cultural hegemony.”

        The Marxists believe that one day we will all see how we have been hoodwinked into believing and holding values of our overlords, the Owners of the Means of Production. when we finally experience enough “consciousness-raising,” the diathesis to counter the “thesis” that Western values and capitalism is fine, we will rise up in bloody revolution.

        By natural forces, the era of Communism will then be ushered in.

        Softening up the church is just one strategy. Enter your preferred denomination into a Search Engine (Startpage, etc.) and also enter “Communism,” and read how the Communists have been infiltrating your denomination for decades.

        Methodists included.

        I tithe. Each year, my “giving” on my itemized-deduction form exceeds what I fork over to the federal government in income taxes. Think about that: for many charity-type problems, such as helping the homeless, helping widows and orphans, Christian charity can far outstrip what the government can do. We are on the ground, in the communities, we are efficient, we have local experts watching the books, etc.

        Our giving to foreign aid also outstrips what the federal government gives in foreign aid.

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        Thankfully, our UMC is still “free” enough that we can believe differently from some of the leadership. I’m sure UMC is somehow involved in the $-making end of the migrant re-settlement biz, but from what I’ve read, the biggest abusers of that income stream appear to be RCC, Lutherans, and Baptists. Kind of got the horse before the cart, since they’re engaging in exalting their own and other people’s choices about whom to help over God’s judgment.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      I find this very troubling.

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  8. Pam says:

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  9. helmhood says:

    In John Bunyan’s allegory “The Pilgrim’s Progress”, there is a scene where Christian passes by two giants called POPE and PAGAN.

    The passage goes on to characterize the figure of POPE as such:

    “and as for the other, though he be yet alive, he is, by reason of age, and also of the many shrewd brushes that he met with in his younger days, grown so crazy and stiff in his joints, that he can now do little more than sit in his cave’s mouth, grinning at pilgrims as they go by, and biting his nails because he cannot come at them.”

    I think this quite applies to Francis, who was installed for political reason based on reasons of deceit.

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    • Bob Thoms says:

      IDK about the Pilgrim’s Progress passage; but no doubt this pope was installed for political reasons = to move the catholic church to the left. Yes, it is that plain and simple.

      The Church wants more rear-ends in the pews, more offerings, more weddings, more baptisms, more students, i.e. more donations!

      I prefer a smaller more principled church – but Rome is heading in a whole other direction. As a cradle catholic for 60+ years I am saddened.

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      • Bob Thoms says:

        PS: The Church doesn’t do “downsizing”.

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      • helmhood says:

        I agree, Bob. The reference rings true to me, because since I see Francis as illegitimate, he is rendered feeble and impotent, without the authority of the office.

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        • Sherlock says:

          I remember in times past it was personally a big event to my family when the Pope visited the US. I’m not a catholic, but we had great respect for the Pope. Now–I wouldn’t walk across the street to see this latest iteration. I do not celebrate marxists whatever their garb, whatever their position, whatever their cover.

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          • LibertyVibe says:

            I know to much about THIS Pope to respect him.

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          • mopar2016 says:

            I agree Sherlock.
            I totally understand the protocol of the visit to the Vatican, but in my opinion the man in charge of the Catholic church is just another powerful socialist that wants to flood the US with illegal aliens and muslims. He obviously doesn’t care about Americans.

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            • Lack is not all says:

              The President had to go to the Vatican to inform personally to the Pope that the money for illegals is over, thas why the Pope looked so pissed. Trump is not a coward. He probably looked at the Pope directly to his eyes and said, no more money for illegals Mr Pope. The same with NATO.

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          • El Torito says:

            Yup, P44 and this Pope. P$$ made it impossible to respect the office until he was out and the Whitehouse deloused. I feel same about the Socialist pope, and I take no pleasure in it. It just sucks.

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      • smiley says:

        “The Church wants more rear-ends in the pews…”

        that right there explains why the pope and American bishops are so pro-immigration, particularly into the USA from Latin America.

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        I have read theories that the RCC was being blackmailed (by Obama I believe but could be Soros etc) to force the last Pope to step down and put up a left leaning socialist globalist who is opposed to borders and stresses climate control. Rumors are there is some info in this in some of the wikileaks drops. Given the incredible rarity of the last Pope – a conservative – stepping down I am apt to believe it.

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    • LibertyVibe says:

      Francis’ Jesuit history takes Popery down a very BLACK rabbit hole.

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  10. texasgirl says:

    Comment to Bendix:
    The “scarf” is a mantilla…the traditional Spanish and Mexican headcovering for women in church, made of lace usually in black but sometimes in white or colors. Until sometime in the 1960s, women never entered a church with a bare head. I went to catholic girl’s school, and even for chapel, we wore our matillas in.
    Melania wearing a mantilla was totally appropriate, and I think quite elegant.

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    • tonyE says:

      OUTSTANDING!

      Melania Trump wore a head veil at the Vatican!

      She’s a Christian! That was a statement for sure.

      MAGA.

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    • tonyE says:

      I ought to note that I went to an all boys roman catholic private school back in the old country.

      Our highlight of the day was walking to and from home, along the all girls roman catholic private school along the way and noting the girls were wearing their skirts above the knee.

      And yeah, the “mantilla” grows to huge proportions in Andalucia and Extremadura.

      Fabulous. Loved them girls.

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  13. Sean Supsky says:

    My own personal views on the Catholic Church is one of negativity, by the leaders, not the adherents. They are but following, being sold a deception.

    The leaders themselves, supposed to be the caretakers and instructors of the Holy Word of God have perverted it’s meaning and message, putting pomp and pomposity above being a servant of God. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, taught humility and to be a servant to others through example. These priests have bastardized that and erected themselves as rulers.

    As John the Baptists so aptly stated when speaking of the pharisees, he called them a den of vipers. When our Lord Jesus Christ so aptly called these same people out for being hypocrites, These are lessons to be learned, lessons to be absorbed.

    I see the leaders of the church, not as humble servants, but rather as evil participants in a great lie. They know the Word and intentionally warp it. That in itself is an evil of greater magnitude than anything else, and they shall be judged accordingly, for theirs is a greater responsibility and a much graver task and thus their judgement shall be even greater. These are not my words, but rather the words of our Lord Jesus Christ and of the apostles. As indicated in the book of James chapter 3 , 1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. What think you did it mean when this was written in the scriptures, 1 Jesus said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come! 2 It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.” Now some will argue that Jesus was speaking of little children, though are we all not children of God and we are led astray by those that would be our leaders, teachers and instructors?

    Folks will probably scold and remark how wrong I am. That is their right. Yet, I see what I believe to be true insofar as the evidence proves. Interestingly enough, it is not so much about the money church has, for the worker should be paid for their services, rather, it is the spiritual corruption that is so disgusting.

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    • Wendy says:

      I think majority of religious institutions in the world are corrupt and self serving. It’s not just Catholic Church.

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      • Sean Supsky says:

        We are not in disagreement.

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      • cwf60 says:

        The Catholic Church is a divine infallible institution established by Jesus Christ and led by the Holy Spirit. It is led by fallible men. Jesus Christ gave us examples of men’s fallibility while walking the earth. The leaders of the Church will be held accountable by God, but the gates of hell will not prevail against the Catholic Church. The Church has survived for over 2000 years with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The same can not be said for those ecclesiastical communities that separate from the Catholic Church and each other every time there is a disagreement with a teaching.

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        • Sean Supsky says:

          As I stated, the leaders are the responsible parties. If you look closely, you will see that.

          The pollution of the Word of God by worldly corruption causes much division. Those who think their interpretations are better than other interpretations remove the basic, sound and solid teaching of Christ Jesus. He spoke with clarity in His message.

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        • kaste668 says:

          Question: If the Catholic Church is established by Jesus Christ, then why do they pray to Mary and put her above Christ. No one should be above Christ and no one should have to go through any one else to get to Christ.

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          • cwf60 says:

            Catholics do not worship Mary, because they believe worship is only for God. We do venerate (regard with great respect) the Blessed Virgin Mary. Mary is the Mother of God, so she is honored with great reverence not to be confused with worship. Mary is the model of perfect love and obedience to Christ. She was preserved from sin by God(all things are possible with God), conceived our Lord through the Holy Spirit, and brought Christ into the world. Catholics can not do anything but honor Mary for making the incarnation possible. We would not have salvation without the incarnation. Mary is the most beautiful model of total submission to the will of God. Catholics do not view Mary as equal to Christ but venerate her because of her relationship to Christ. The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains Mary’s role in the Church
            as inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it.
            When Jesus said to John as he was dying on the cross, This is your Mother, and to Mary, This is your son, Jesus was making Mary the Mother of all humanity. If Jesus was concerned about his Mother being taken care of, do you not think he expects his children to show her respect? I am amazed at the lack of respect for the Blessed Virgin Mary and believe many refuse to respect her, because it may give credence to the Church Christ established.
            It would benefit all people to emulate Mary’s love and devotion to Christ.
            Hope that helps answer your questions.

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          • Menagerie says:

            Ding ding ding! Most ignorant comment of the thread award. Some dummy always falls back on that old and untrue line. Give it a rest, it’s done to death. If you are stupid enough to believe that, not Catholic is going to waste time trying to educate you.

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Organized religions are involved in deals with our government and the United Nations. These deals are all about big money and bringing in a lot of people from the third world.
        Of course the taxpayers are expected to finance everything every step of the way.
        I’m not anti religion, but it’s hard for me to condone the American culture being eroded.
        It’s time for a different approach, and affirmative action needs to be a thing of the past.

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      • NC PATRIOT says:

        I was just going to say this. To all the Catholics on this board who are feeling people are being negative toward their faith—–I would point out that I have observed many churches, including my own (Lutheran) are beginning to or already have exhibited distinct left leaning, “social justice” stances in recent years. (ie. taking money to house Syrian refugees etc) Or some of the Black churches with overt racism.

        When this happens they all pervert the Gospel. IMHO It is so sad. The exception might be the staunch, fervent Southern Baptists.

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        • cwf60 says:

          Social justice became the focus when Saul Alinsky gave those in the Catholic Church heirarchy reason to believe he was concerned about the poor. They did not realize that Alinsky wanted to eradicate the middle class and make them poor. Then they could be controlled by those at the top of the food chain.

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      • One reason I became a Jew is that there is no hierarchy in Judaism, no institution, no bureaucracy, no additional power accruing to certain people because of their position within Judaism.
        The most respected people are the sages/scholars. Many really rich Jews consider it a great honor to be allowed to support a great scholar – these supporters are the next most respected Jews among us. Those who volunteer in various Jewish or secular groups doing medical work or social work are next in line.

        But the most honored, the most holy, are the ones we don’t know are the 36, the Hidden Tzaddikim, or Righteous Individuals, In “merit of these righteous individuals, our world receives the divine vitality that keeps it going. We do not know for sure, however, the identity of all these extraordinary individuals.” http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/837699/jewish/Who-Are-the-36-Hidden-Tzadikim.htm

        I love this tradition.

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    • KBR says:

      There are church leaders in every denomination who do the same thing. We Protestants cannot be hypocrites, claiming that only Catholics have such leaders. I recall clearly sone gigantic rich church buildings and some crooked Protestant preachers in my lifetime!

      Look at
      http://theevangelists.blogspot.com/2011/04/hall-of-shame.html
      Jim Bakker
      Was Jim Jones a Catholic?
      Read about Bishop Pike, Anglican (Protestant?)
      There’s plenty more online if you wish to avail yourself…

      Just the same with nation’s leaders. We cannot be self-righteous, saying “well they brought it on themselves by electing such a one!” When we ourselves suffered through 8 long years of such a one, and when we do not know whether the people elected them or the vote-counters did so!

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      • Sean Supsky says:

        No, but as this thread is about the Pope, that is the only one I am speaking of at this time. There is much malfeasance by many denominations, yet that is for a different time.

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        • KBR says:

          It certainly helps the understanding of your own message to make a small disclaimer, so that your statements do not come across as anti-Catholic to people who read them. As it did, apparently, to several here. A short mention would suffice, without having to write a whole thesis, on that “subject for a different time,” of course. It actually would have taken less effort than the responses you generated to their(our) dismay at what seemed anti-Catholic.

          And BTW, I agree with your statement above^ that the message of Christ is clear, and that arguments between people adhering to various dogmas and doctrines instead of His clear message cause humans to lose that clarity.

          With the amount of evil in this world, God-fearing people need to work together to defeat evil rather than argue over the structure of the various religious organizations.

          We seem to be on the same page now.

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          • Sean Supsky says:

            KBR says:
            May 24, 2017 at 1:32 pm
            It certainly helps the understanding of your own message to make a small disclaimer, so that your statements do not come across as anti-Catholic…

            >

            My opening paragraph states unequivocally how I view the Catholic Church.
            ⬇️
            My own personal views on the Catholic Church is one of negativity, by the leaders, not the adherents. They are but following, being sold a deception.

            >

            This was thus elucidated further as to why there is that particular view as related by my second paragraph.
            ⬇️
            The leaders themselves, supposed to be the caretakers and instructors of the Holy Word of God have perverted it’s meaning and message, putting pomp and pomposity above being a servant of God. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, taught humility and to be a servant to others through example. These priests have bastardized that and erected themselves as rulers.

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      • Trish in Southern Illinois says:

        Dont compare jim bakker to jim jones!
        Jones was a marxist
        Jim Bakker fought for president Trump’s election and and is still hardcore TRUMP everyday.
        My two cents.

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    • You need to educate yourself concerning the Church Mystical and the worldly pilgrim Church here on earth. The Church Fathers, lauded by Roman Catholics and Protestants alike, have written eloquently about both aspects of the Church. No one has been more harsh against the abuses of the worldly church than the Roman Catholic saints, St. Catherine of Siena to name just one. Then there are the profound Roman Catholic theologians, such as Guardini, de Chardin, von Balthasar, who have gone so far as to label the worldly pilgrim church as the “whore of Babylon”. Yet regardless of the record of worldly abuses the Church Mystical remains untouched. The best literary demonstration of these Truths was executed by the great G. K. Chesterton in his tour de force book ‘”The Everlasting Man”.

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      • nontroll says:

        I left the worldly church a long time ago. I don’t need or want an intermediary between me and my Lord.

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        • mopar2016 says:

          I agree nontroll.
          After I retired I moved back to my hometown to take care of my elderly parents.
          They’re both over eighty and closing in on ninety. I enjoy taking them to church when they feel up to it. But I myself subscribe to the Tom T. Hall school of thought these days.

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        • El Torito says:

          Me too. I still consider myself a Christian, but I have decided that in the end, I will have to answer to God only. I am glad to have learned a strong sense of right from wrong, and try to conduct myself by making decisions whereby if I question an action, the question is “Is this an action that improves or reduces my chances of being accepted into Heaven?”

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          • kaste668 says:

            Action do not get us to Heaven, FAITH gets us to Heaven. Our Works are to be the belief and continued Faith of Christ. John 6:28-29 “What must we do, to do the works God requires?” Christ responds: “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

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        • sha44ss says:

          Exactly! I was raised Catholic ALL my life> Graduated from Catholic High School. Thought I would be struck by a bolt of lightening if I stepped foot in a Protestant Church! Followed through with my Baptisms and Communions & CCD when my kids were born. When my Oldest daughter went to make confirmation and told me She **couldn’t make her Confirmation in the Catholic because she didnt believe in everything the Catholic Church taught …. I was devastated and thought we were going to go to Hell! She said to me ” Do you really believe you have to confess your sins to a Priest? Why can’t you just talk to God yourself? Over the years after that we bounced from Church to Church > from Protestant to Judism to Born again Christian. Learned alot of the BIBLE over the years instead of just Catholic Doctrine! We are *CHRISTIANS now. My daughter decided to raise the kids in the local *Methodist Church which still has all the Sacraments and they are very involved with Mission work. I still consider myself Catholic and have reverence for their Celebrations of the Mass and the Consecrations. From the mouth of a babe I found my Christ!

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      • Sean Supsky says:

        Wherefore my argument diverged from what you speak?

        The words spewing forth from the Pope’s mouth for the past years is in agreement with the teaching of Christ Jesus?

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        • According to the divine inspired teaching of the Church the Pope can only teach infallibly on matters regarding “faith and morals” when he is speaking ex cathedra, which is very rare and is subject to stringent requirements. A pope can opine on matters big, small, political etc and his words are subject to the same criticism, analysis and potential disagreement as Sam the bartender down at Cheers. His Marxist claptrap, open borders nonsense and his global warming fantasies are all subject to the prudential judgment of the laity. He speaks for himself on these matters. Bergoglio is a particularly lightweight and ideologically driven pope and his attempts to dress up his ideology as Catholic teaching is a scandal, but cannot impede the Church Mystical. Tne Church has survived the Borgia popes and will survive this one.

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          • Sean Supsky says:

            Unfortunately, spiritual newborns are swayed easily. Thus such the strong admonishment of teachers of the faith.

            Even words such as personal opines can deceive those without the spiritual guidance or discernment. Is one reason why Paul exhorted Timothy to always be of mind in the Spirit and to guard against those that would nay-say him and the Spirit within him.

            The pope opining on things has a great effect upon the laity and his words should be bridled lest some are led astray.

            Hence why we are admonished to guard our tongues.

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      • Lepanto says:

        Eminently quotable, our Chesterton.
        “The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.”

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    • 6079 Smith W says:

      There is no pope in the eastern orthodox church, the real “catholic” church.

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    • 6079 Smith W says:

      The papacy has always been a political, not a religious, institution.

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    • tonyE says:

      Hmm.. you are a Protestant, huh? You sure doeth protest! ;-0

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    • seeingeye2 says:

      It appears to me that the Pope is just about the opposite of the humble Christ of the Bible. But I guess that’s just me.

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  16. paulraven1 says:

    A big, generous and loving man in bold colors meets a small, narrow and blinkered man in white.

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      LIKE!

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    • Raven says:

      Reminds me, once again, of the story of the Pharisee in the courtyard “praising” God loudly and thanking Him for not making him like ‘that’ sinner. Jesus goes on to say that the man who walked away righteous was the sinner who beat his chest and said, ‘Forgive me Lord, for I am a sinner,’ not the self-righteous hypocrite.

      During the National Convention I spoke with many Christians who could not get past the fact that Donald Trump’s sins were so well known (I guess they preferred hidden & secret sins). Instead of backing Trump they were fighting for a man of “integrity” and “Christian principles” — Lyin’ Ted. I could write so much more here — like all of you — but I will leave it at that and let you fill in the rest.

      Yes, I too love our big, generous and loving man in bold colors.

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    • Mary Kate Conly says:

      Blinkered like Francis the Mule!

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  17. LibertyVibe says:

    Absolutely! There is a big difference between the rulers of the Catholic Church, and the hearts of those born into it. This could be said of those born into Protestant families as well. When it comes to a relationship with Christ, there is only one mediator between God and man. That is His son Jesus. Your denomination, church or family is not going to change who you are on the inside. Either YOU know him or you don’t. I feel bad for people who have religious oligarchs ruling over them, especially if they are telling them lies and keep their people from ever knowing Jesus.

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    • nontroll says:

      I totally get you. I just stated above that I don’t need or want an intermediary between me and My Lord.

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      • LibertyVibe says:

        Why would we want one? Jesus continually proves Himself to be the only One with which I can in trust my heart.

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        • nontroll says:

          You GET it and I GET it, unfortunately there are too many in the flock who DON’T get it.

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          • LibertyVibe says:

            I believe that He is getting ready to do something Big and Good! I keep hearing all of this Pharisitical “doom” talk, about the judgement we deserve. While I agree that we do deserve judgement, I feel in my spirit that the Lord is opening up a window for a short season to bring in a harvest of believers unto him. I believe it is His heart that none should perish, and that anyone that can come to JESUS will during this time. Not because we are good, but because He is. And He is going to use unlikely, untraditional people to do it. And when He does, the Pharisees will be exposed.

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            • nontroll says:

              I pray you’re right – my gut tells me you are. I’ve never stopped talking about the Lord, although I’ve noticed a lot of people have. That being said it seems like to the wary and politically correct PDJT has made it OK again to speak of the Lord. It’s a very exciting time to be alive. God bless!

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              • Raven says:

                ‘…although I’ve noticed a lot of people have.”

                The longer this orb we are riding on spins around the closer we get to the glorious day Jesus returns. Before that time, “…many will fall away [from Christ] and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.” Matthew 24:10-12.

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      • Menagerie says:

        Sadly, if you think we Catholics have a second hand relationship with Christ, you are very uninformed. I have directly received the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord. He personally hears my pleas for forgiveness. He grants me atonement, He wipes my tears away and gives me good counsel.

        Before I joined the Church I had, oh 30,000 or so opinions on what Jesus said in the Bible, based on the fact that no Protestant denominations agree on interpretation, and are utterly without authority in their interpretation and teaching.

        I’ll take my faith, and my religion, straight from Jesus.

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        • nontroll says:

          Whatever path you take to Christ is all right by me. It’s just not my path.

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        • liberty, not license says:

          Menagerie,
          Amen! Thanks!

          seansupsky, I don’t know that you intended to be so insulting, but to say you condemn the leaders of the Catholic church, but not the followers because they are “but following, being sold a deception” —hmmm, I have higher critical thinking skills than that, as do countless others. We are not blind to the problems in the Catholic Church, but we are also not blind to the problems in Protestantism, Judaism, Islam, etc., as well as in agnosticism, atheism as well as in militant secularism, etc. So, I will accept that you have your beliefs and reasons for them, but don’t make the mistake of thinking my being a believing Catholic means I am deceived. I stand the current of some of the greatest minds who have ever lived, e.g. St. Thomas Aquinas;, Gregory Mendel, the monk who is a father genetics; the numerous Jesuits who have features of the moon named after them because they were involved with their discovery; St. Teresa Avila and St John of the Cross, two of the greatest experts on mystical prayer; St. Teresa of Calcutta, a modern example of burning charity; and St. John Paul, who helped bring down communism.
          I am glad to be joined with you in the fight for MAGA; it is perhaps not helpful to disparage the intelligence of your allies.

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        • cycle1 says:

          FYI. I posted an article from the National Catholic Register below. I think some of the pictures are pretty unique and beautiful.

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    • sha44ss says:

      Very well Stated!

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  18. LibertyVibe says:

    If anyone has done any research on the royal family in Belgium, and their spiritual background, you might want to consider lifting President Trump and his family up in your prayers today. He is entering into a habitation of devils. I am not afraid for him, because I firmly believe that God is with him, and if “God is with us, that who can be against us?” Having said that, I believe it is our duty to cover him in prayer.

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    • Raven says:

      Amen.

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      • sha44ss says:

        Amen! We must Pray for Trump everyday now!

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        • singingsoul says:

          I studied Spiritual Formation in Presbyterian Seminary. First courses I took and came back to my pastor I was angry because the church has and keeps us as infants spiritually.
          When I worked later in woman organization to bring different forms of prayer to them they were moved what they found. The church has as in my case Presbyterian not don a good job to grow its congregation and help people mature spiritually. People leave the church because of that and seek other means to fill their empty souls.
          The Catholic church does a better job. I used to spend time in Monasteries where the contemplative form of prayer is practiced.
          We let go of many forms of prayer during the reformation and should have held on to some. The first thing protest and pastors do entering the monastery buy a rosary.

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  19. Wink says:

    Our beautiful First Lady brought her rosary to be blessed by the Pope. This should speak volumes to traditional Catholics. You see, the Pope usually gives rosaries to visitors, but beautiful Melania brought her rosary to the Pope. I believe that really surprised the Pope and delighted him.

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  21. mantaplagi says:

    I was just posting something about the Pope/Trump meeting. But got drawn away.

    Bomb in Jakarta.

    Kampung Malayu bus station. A couple of miles for where my family are living.

    They are all okay. Not out on the buses today.

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    • Wink says:

      Praying for your family’s safety!

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      • mantaplagi says:

        They are okay. They don’t usually go by bus. But this place is a busy central bus station that ordinary working people use to commute through. I’m waiting for friends to update me but there are casualties.

        Thanks for your concern.

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    • sunnydaze says:

      So sorry to hear this Mantaplagi. Prayers for the people of Java. It’s just too unnerving when this is happening in one’s country, where one lives.

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      • mantaplagi says:

        Thanks Sunnydaze. It’s not the first time and unfortunately I know it won’t be the last.

        I’m not in Jakarta right now. Away working. So of course I worry about wife and kids. But they are safe.

        Thanks I appreciate your thought.

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  23. free2313 says:

    Poor Pope Francis with his dejected look upon his sour face; I believe he is so angry because POTUS Donald J. Trump, covered all his talking points about Peace, Religions and God. 🙂 hahaha
    All Poor Pope Francis had left to speak about was a topic which is one of the domains, solely controlled by God and that is Climate Changes, and the Planetary Ecosystem…

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    • That’s my impression also that Pope Francis has a very dejected and I would say”overcome” look as if his spirit was beaten or bested by Trump’s spirit. Surely he saw Trump’s Royal Treatment in Saudi Arabia and he sees how important this man who has come to him is and that his own influence in the world pales in comparison to that of Trump’s.

      Melania is wearing a chapel veil. It’s an old traditional Catholic custom. It is not required but is considered respectful. Remember Jackie Kennedy at her husband’s funeral?

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    • Anchored says:

      The pope EXPECTS to be obeyed, even when it comes to climate change. He’s probably unhappy that our president did not announce a decision about the Paris agreement right then and there.

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  27. mantaplagi says:

    I was just posting something about the Pope/Trump meeting. But got drawn away.

    Bomb in Jakarta.

    Kampung Malayu bus station. A couple of miles for where my family are living.

    They are all okay. Not out on the buses today.

    First video.

    It’s in Indonesian. They are confused. They say “in the bus way boss.”
    Then they start to realise it’s terrorism.
    It’s kind of funny.

    It is terror. There are photos with bodies but too graphic to post here.

    However they seem to have bombed a motorcycle parking spot!

    Thank god Indonesian terrorists are not too smart. On the Busway itself would be devastating.

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  28. i'm just sayin'.. says:

    but when is he going to start acting Presidential? /s

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  30. mantaplagi says:

    Update Jakarta bomb.

    Okay family and friends all okay. It seems that 5 poor souls lost their lives. It could have been much worse. Those buses are crammed with over 100 people at that time. Ordinary poor working people. It was a suicide bomber who for some reason chose to auto-detonate in a parking area.

    I had started to post something about President Trumps meeting with the Pope. But I’m sorry I’ve lost the thread of that.

    I am so tired of these murderers.

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  31. Ron says:

    The whole thing with the Pope reminds me of the thing with Megyn Kelly. Hear me out.

    Personally I have no problem with the Pope and I respect him as the leader of the Catholics. There are many great Catholics all over the world.

    Anyways, the Pope has his opinions just like everybody, and just like Megyn Kelly. Both of them decided that they would say something slightly negative about Candidate Trump, as is their right just like anybody can say anything.

    However, what neither of them expected was the massive backlash this caused. Megyn’s career was basically ended, the Pope got bad publicity (which he rarely gets) for weeks, months, heck it’s still going on.

    So he’s kind of in a weird spot, between a rock and a hard place. He doesn’t really know how to handle it… usually he doesn’t have to deal with it, he has plenty of other things going on… but I’m sure he’d rather that he not even meet Trump. Unfortunately, doing THAT would be a big story… so he had to set up a meeting.

    Now, once the meeting arrives, how does he act? He looks like he’s scared to death! He doesn’t know what to do. He doesn’t want to necessarily insult President Trump… mainly he just wants to get it over with.

    Personally, and this is just me… I don’t think Megyn Kelly, or the Pope, hate Trump. They don’t particularly have good opinions of him…. but they both essentially stuck their foot in their mouth when they brought him up and wished they had never mentioned it.

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    • mantaplagi says:

      So basically, you are saying they are both blithering idiots who should never have been allowed to rise to a position above janitor.

      Wholeheartedly agree.

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      • sunnydaze says:

        LOL. Yep. Think that’s what he’s saying there.

        And to be fair, there are many others on that list. Altho I’m not sure how well their fellow janitors would have tolerated these blow-hards, either.

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    • Honest Abbey says:

      Hi Ron, I do not believe the Pope “hates” anyone because that would defy his existence here on Earth, having dedicated his entire life to serving God.

      Megyn Kelly is a different story. I think she DESPISES President Trump. She thought she had the “gotcha” question that was supposed to end his political career, instead, it backfired and ended her professional career.

      The Pope and Megyn Kelly have one thing in common; They will both suffer the ramifications of provoking the President.

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      • Ron says:

        It could be, but I don’t think she saw it as that big. I think she just thought she’d look like a ‘principled journalist’ if she slapped him at the debate. So she did her best… which wasn’t much… .and then he burnt her to the damn ground in front of the entire world.

        She has way too much sexual attraction, to him, to hate him. You can tell she fancied herself the next Mrs. Trump.

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      • Benson II says:

        Kelly is and was so full of herself I doubt if she gave a thought to how she felt about Trump. What she saw (thought she saw) was an opportunity to advance herself at the expense of someone she knew was hated by those around her. Like many before and after her she totally underestimated not only Trump but his supporters.

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        • Ron says:

          Exactly, I think that’s it. She didn’t necessarily care about the Trump thing, she just wanted to grandstand and got torched for it. It left her reeling for months, she had no idea what happened, why it happened, or what she could do to fix it.

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  32. Joan says:

    Well, well – look at what happened today:

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  33. M33 says:

    I wish to apologize to my fellow Treepers.
    I was a bit too off the cuff and irreverent on this thread in the late hours of the night.
    I am sorry if I might have offended those who were rubbed the wrong way by my comments.
    My words were such I think because I still was stinging from what this Pope had tried to do in disuading subtly Catholics from voting for Trump (which does make me wonder why the the Uniparty hasn’t been screaming about the Vatican influencing the election [since they are guilty of the same “actions” as much as the Russians were]).
    That aside, forgiveness is the key.
    Again, my apologies to you all here.
    I enjoy your company and commentary.
    Thanks for understanding.

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    • Joan says:

      I did not read what you said. However, I was baptized and brought up as a Catholic including attending four convents. Many years ago I left the Catholic Church – for many reasons including problems with how my family was treated by the Church – and I have never regretted that decision. I don’t think you need to apologize for honest feelings. People don’t always have the same feelings and they don’t always agree.

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    • NewNonna!!! says:

      That’s very mature of you, M33. Thank you. Not many would apologize for posting things that might be seen as TOO off the cuff and irreverent. If it makes you feel any better, I know many Catholics feel the way you do about this pope’s actions and leadership.

      However, I think I understand why some Treepers were offended by many such comments made by our fellow Treepers. At least it explains why some of the comments bothered me. I hope I explain this right.

      The way blacks take offense if someone non-black uses the ‘n’ word, or if an Italian was called a ‘ginzo’ by a non-Italian, or perhaps when a police van is called a ‘paddy-wagon’ and Irishmen may take offense at that, or how we don’t call Native Americans ‘Indians’ anymore or on and on… hearing someone bad mouth your own culture or religion can put peoples’ back up against the wall, you know what I mean??

      Well, in any case, thank you for your more sensitive post just made acknowledging that what you posted last night could have caused some hard feelings.

      😉

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    • Jenny R. says:

      Thank you.

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  34. duchess01 says:

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  35. Chuck says:

    For those of you who want to piece together a recent timeline on the current socialist leanings of the Catholic Church a short look back to 1959 and the Second Vatican Council will show a sharp turn away from traditional church teachings. The Vatican 2 doctrine precipitated a mass exodus from church. At the same time the church was turning left the democrat party was becoming the majority party across the USA. Quite frankly I don’t think that is a coincidence. Much has been written about the loss of moral character and the breakup of families and civil society that took off in the 60s. Since Vatican 2, the church, like society in general, has been in turmoil. Once again I don’t think the timing of this and the rise of globalism is a coincidence.

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    • RC says:

      The science of political economy emerged in the 19th century and Catholic economic thinking was specifically launched by Pope Leo XIII in a 1891 letter called “Rerum Novarum.” In this letter, the Pope rejected both Socialism / Communism and Libertarian economics, while defending private property as a natural right and insisting that profits needed to be shared with labor, towards a goal that working men receive a living wage to support their families. Forty years later, in 1931, Pope Pius XI re-iterated the Leonine thesis in his letter “Quadragesimo Anno.”

      Needless to write, the economics suggested by Popes Leo and Pius was not acceptable to either a left or right leaning establishment, while promoted by British authors G K Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc in the 1920s and 1930s. In the late 1940s, then left-leaning economist E F Schumacher studied these ideas and was so amazed — How could these clerics have understood the issues so well ? — that he became a Catholic and wrote his enduring bestseller “Small is Beautiful.”

      Also amazed was General MacArthur, who implemented the ideas of Popes Leo and Pius in the reconstruction of Japan and then Taiwan. (He is the real father of those nation’s 1945 — 65 economic miracle and rejection of Marxism.)

      The economic system espoused by these theologians, economists and soldier-statesman is now known as DISTRIBUTISM and the leading American economist of the school is John C Medaille — whose principle book is “Towards a Truly Free Market.” (By the way, Medaille has very sound ideas about healthcare reform, attributing out-of-control costs to massive government interventions throughout the health sector.)

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      • Jenny R. says:

        Nice summary, and to bolster what you said: no Pope in living memory (not even this one — I put up a link to his comments concerning free markets back in this thread’s free for all) has ever spoken against Rerum Novarum (it is a masterwork). They are not against free market capitalism, but they do believe it needs to be controlled or it will become oligarchy and corporatism (at this point it is no longer free market it is command economy facism, and it is evil).
        They also believe that society does have a certain responsibility to the poor (the widows and orphans) — but the general gist is to help those truly in need (or encourage such feelings in the person) and above all else do not set up conditions that make and keep a growing majority of people poor and dependent.
        Sounds rather familiar.

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  36. jackphatz says:

    Is it just me but does it seem like the Pope was really pushing the Communism with Obama but we will not with Trump?

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    • Jenny R. says:

      Does this sound like a man who is/was pushing communism?
      https://cruxnow.com/commentary/2016/09/21/pope-franciss-praise-capitalism-surprise-us-trip/

      Now, he DID criticize unfettered capitalism and globalism — which is probably why the Republicans and their talking heads hate his guts. I’m sure the CoC and their lobbyists royally hate him, and thus I’m sure they’d like to brand him a communist (seems to have worked). But this line of thinking is rather close to Trump’s, so it was good that they met.
      And for the record: Rerum Novarum and Pope Francis are right: unfettered capitalism (aka. corporatism, globalism) is indeed the devil’s playground, just as bad as communism. He’s gone after that too and the media made sure to bury it:

      “I can only say that the communists have stolen our flag. The flag of the poor is Christian. Poverty is at the center of the Gospel,” said the Pope.“Communists say that all this is communism. Sure, twenty centuries later. So when they speak, one can say to them: ‘but then you are Christian,’” he said laughing. {from interview in Il Messagero in June, 2014}
      He’s calling the communists thieves, hypocrites, and liars here, by the way (he’s also poking them about their atheism if you’ll notice). That’s hardly being nice or sympathetic to them.

      As for the environment thing: it is nothing new, and not quite what is reported. Laudauto Si did mention global climate change, but no talk of carbon credits, just be more responsible about the environment and be mindful of the poor (which probably means don’t make more people poor with false peddling of “environmentalism” which does no good for either) — JPII and Benedict said much the same things; and not many remember all the calumny they received when they were Pope (trust me, the usual suspects hated their guts too, they just profess to love them now that they are gone).

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  37. Trump’s visit to the Pope was thrilling. How many beautiful pictures, thank you.

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  38. yy4u says:

    The Pope is a Red of the South American-African Iteration which is color against white. (It’s my theory that in the middle of the 20th c, Marxism split into two groups — traditional — worker against capitalist and African-South American which is only about color. In this iteration a poor white nevertheless oppresses even a rich black. This is what we’re hearing every day coming out of our universities — white privilege — white racism — etc. It’s all about turning us into South Africa, Zimbabwe or Venezuela.

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  39. NJF says:

    I heard a commentary earlier from Pastor Jeffers (not sure of spelling) and he believes POTUS & FLOTUS likely “charmed the pants off the Pope.”

    Pope looked floored by PTrump’s gift of the rare first edition MLK Jr books, and then he returns the favor by giving POTUS a book on climate change???

    SMH

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  40. Our President is a big man in more ways than size. Pizza or no pizza.

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  41. Theo West says:

    My brother sent me some hilarious pictures of Pope Francis with various heads of state. I’m going to try to embed them from my tweet here. I don’t usually do this so I hope it works. If so, note the facial expressions! Priceless!

    Pope Francis with various heads of state. Note the facial expressions. 😂😂😂 #Vatican #Pope #MAGA @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/KaHMemkXwS— Theo West (@theodwest) May 24, 2017

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

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  42. cycle1 says:

    Article about the visit, including pictures and video, by the National Catholic Register. Toward the bottom a nice picture of POTUS and FLOTUS holding hands with a view of the ceiling of what I believe is the Sistine chapel.

    http://m.ncregister.com/53433/b#.WSXvP4EpDYU

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  43. Rosech says:

    Personally, I feel the black clothes and head covering is via this pope because we stopped all this back in the 60’s as it indicates desert people putting women down, whereas Christ did not. In any case, I do not like Francis and many of us do not see him as God’s representation on earth. He speaks more like Obama and apparently they are friends. However, Trump and Francis spent more than 15 mins. together which means it was a good meeting. Why in the world they had to walk a mile to get to a room is beyond me, when there is plenty of great space up front. Guess Francis thought this would bring Trump down a wee bit, but it didn’t,thank God!

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    • Obama and Pope Francis are not friends. They had several serious disagreements.This is the room where Pope Francis holds ALL
      private meetings. They didn’t walk a mile.There is an elevator and Francis has some difficulty walking(surprised you didn’t notice)plus he only has 1 lung So it’s probably for convenience. It was not intended to bring Trump down. Not the purpose of a meeting.

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  44. Jimmy Jack says:

    Since the Pope gave Trump such a hard time during the campaign, repeatedly, I thought some of you would appreciate this moment of humor. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6d6bgy/the_god_emperor_baptizes_the_pope/

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  45. bwcarey says:

    two outsiders, from the edge, a world in need of change, hope

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